If you haven't heard of hbomberguy, he's arguably the best video essayist on RUclips, you can find him here: www.youtube.com/@hbomberguy I hope you enjoy the video :)
Downloading the entire youtube upload library of someone your researching just in case is so funny to me, you can really see why Hbomberguy was so annoyed at people not doing their own research.
@@Bala_Niranna It's honestly not that difficult to just have a cheap 1-2 TB external drive on hand for this kind of thing. They don't cost too much, compared to newer SSD-based externals, and if you set a whole drive aside for just video-editing you'd be surprised how far that space goes.
is not that big of a deal. I have all the videos of Unus Annus (so 364 20 or so minute videos and a 12 hr livestream) backed up and it's only 60 GB@@Bala_Niranna
@@OneTrueNobody Depending on how long they’ve been around and how frequently they upload it can take a LONG time to even scroll down to their first video. Imagining downloading the ENTIRE list of years worth of videos sounds staggering
@@revolvingworld2676 I mean, I don't think that applies to anyone in THIS video except possibly Illuminaughtii. James Somerton's library isn't THAT big. Also, if a channel sorts their videos into convenient playlists, you can actually just have your video-download software download entire playlists automatically.
Hbomberguy is the one unimpeachable leftist youtuber. Hes like a wizard in a tower constructed out of vhs tapes and old tins of beans who emerges once or twice a year to teach about an obscure passion of his or absolutely evicerate some unworthy soul.
I’m still crushed about Somerton. As queer, Hispanic, trans guy, it really makes me feel about an inch big to know I was supporting him and looking up to him, and he just ripped so many people off.
Have you seen Todd in the Shadows' supplemental video on Somerton? It's 90+ minutes of stuff Harry doesn't cover in his video because it's not plagiarism... it's all the stuff he just straight made tf up. Todd - a music critic - spent months cataloguing it because it had to be done.. ..and because dude made up some story about Janelle Monet that made Todd snap imo 😂
its genuinely heart breaking. queer people and minorities are normal people too and they cant be to represent a whole demographic of people, but it's simply truth that there theyre a representative of our community to people outside of it. thats one facet of how hes harmed out community through his plagiarism, but on a personal level- he was one of my favorite content creators on the platform. i love video essays, i love queer media, and for him to betray us like this by not only plagiarizing but being so immature and malicious... it sucks :/
Same... when he revealed the video was about Somerton my fucking jaw dropped. I love video essays and queer analysis, really felt like a punch in the gut. At least now we know not to sjpport him and the harm he's done...
I'm also subscribe to James before. Still remember him posting on the community saying his youtube revenue is weak and having second thoughts about quitting. And a lot of the comments are about fans signing up to his patreon. Now knowing about his film project never coming to fruition, I really hated that he using the victim mentality to scam his fans. And we will never gonna get a screenshot of that because he erased all of his community post on yt.
Something I learned while writing my research thesis in university was that there are two main types of plagarism: literal, and conceptual. Literal plagarism means copying someone's words exactly. Conceptual plagarism is a bit harder to grasp, it involves stealing someone's argument, ideas, or organizational outline. Both are bad. Both are plagarism. However, I've run into a lot of works, on youtube and other platforms, where people engage in conceptual plagarism. They think that because they changed a few words around and credited any exact quotes to the original author, it's no longer plagarism.
@@scorchercast8366 i would agree that plagarism by stealing peoples ideas is less common in the movie/film/screen writing/RUclips sphere because common ideas and tropes do get reused over and over again in media. In creative endeavors, 2 people can happen to have the same idea and they interpret it differently and come up with 2 unique creative works based around the same idea. However in the sciences (my field of study was geochemistry) writing isn't really creative. Everyone organizes their essays and literature the exact same way. The thing that sets scientific writing apart is either the hypothesis, theory, and/or data presented in the paper. To steal someone's idea without crediting it is a huge no-no. Now do people in the sciences also come up with similar ideas at the same time completely independently of each other? Yes. Of course it happens. But I've also seen people get in huge trouble (expelled from the program with their research discredited) because they stole a hypothesis or idea from someone else's paper without crediting them. Idk, maybe my STEM department was overly strict about citing EVERYTHING but thats just kinda how scientific integrity works (in my experience in the geochem world)
@@marinacroy1338late to the game but as someone who worked with a lot of academics (and wrote research myself), I feel like an easy way to work around this is to simply zero in on a more specific research question, then defending to your professors/advisors how you add to the preexisting literature. But easier said than done, I suppose. Plus I’m not sure how this differs in STEM since by background is more in media & politics
@@scorchercast8366 Of course conceptual plagiarism is real. If I produce a novel piece of research and you republish that in an article in which you changed my words around but didn't do anything new, without providing proper credit, you very obviously plagiarised me and will probably be fired if caught. It's not even that rare lol
A lot of chatters seem like the type of people that would consider a piece of plagiarized text to be original if every fifth word was swapped for a synonym.
The worst part about Hasan is that his chat is full of absolute fucking idiots most of the time. Most of the time when he calls out a chatter they are entirely missing the point. I don’t know if those people consider themselves fans or if they’re just there vibing but holy shiiiiiit does it irritate me. I don’t like calling people NPCs or soyjaks because that’s stupid but I cant help but picture someone whose default expression is 😮 whenever they try to hit Hasan with a “but what about this specific instance though” as if Hasan is a completely black and white thinker that cant comprehend exceptions.
yeah and anyways even if you are paraphrasing rather than quoting its still best to cite your source. i know we're not in academia here but the way people will defend someone who's obviously just trying to hide how lazy they are at research is bizarre to me.
Shame Hasan didn’t hear him saying he is gonna donate the proceeds from that video sharing among the RUclipsrs that got plagiarized ❤ Now THAT IS respect 😊
It’s crazy that Hasan’s reaction is one of the only copies of the original IH cave video still up! Thanks for posting this I missed the stream today hasL
@@xibalbalon8668Hasan says he asks for permission and if he didn't, it's because he already had former permission due to being friends. Their problem if they're mad lol
I used to watch a lot of true crime videos, and after every viewing, I would go to the Wikipedia article about that particular murder, and about 75% of the time, I'd find that the RUclipsr had simply copied all or most of the Wikipedia article...word for word. 😅
@@0ptimuscrime I haven’t looked but just from the pattern, Matt orchard waits around 2 months per video, so seems like he’s doing his own work. The ones you should be looking at are the ones that churn out videos constantly, like this is monsters or something.
I would of never known blair stole all her content cuz I barely pay attention when i watch youtube. But repeating the documentary word for word is pretty blatant.
Me neither, altho I will say that I did get suspicious with her Fyre video bc I had just watched the Netflix doc a few days before. Thought to myself, hmm this is just a straight rehash of the doc.
Imagine actually watching this grifter parasite, this vermin react streamer somehow got on my recommended and I'm gonna recommed everyone to go out of idiot contained community
Todd in the Shadows, a music reviewer, broke character and also did a whole 2 hour video on this clown. I'd never heard of this guy until now, and I feel dumber now that I do.
I got the video recommended, and when they said they're a music critic channel, I couldn't believe it until I looked into their other videos (great stuff). James Somerton did his job so bad, he got someone in an unrelated genre to release a video on him 😭
TITS is one of the RUclips goats. He's been doing it so long, and his videos have never dropped in quality, they've only gotten better and better with time. He's probably my favourite music RUclipsr. So he gains a default amount of respect anyway, just for being one of the OGs. But yeah to do a video like that where he's breaking character, and it's a very risky thing to do for a channel like his, but he just felt so strongly about the plagiarism that he couldn't stand by and say nothing, he had to make the video. So good on TITS for making it. I have even more respect for him now.
They’re so popular. It’s sad. My nephews (5th grader) would literally waatch them all the time…. Instead of watching the actual movie with me …. I was so baffled. I worry about the future of film in general if this is what his generation does now. They don’t have the attention span to watch a story unfold and told properly through film. He just want to get the cliff notes without sitting through the presentation.
The first week in my junior year of college where I got really depressed and anxious, and for some reason got stuck on watching them endlessly and stayed indoors. So I’m convinced other people who watch them are severely mentally unwell as I was.
1:20:05 Yes. Even the original version of Man in the Caves version is inferior to the articles. Notice how to attempt some amount of “hm, gotta edit this just a teeny bit so it isn’t obviously plagiarism”, later realizing he still didn’t edit it enough of course, IH replaces the word scream with “yell”. This immediately, while still keeping the tone of the framing, manages to make it worse than the article version, which uses the alliteration to add to the impact. Sleep, wake, Scream. S, W, S. IHs version on the other hand was changed to Sleep, wake, yell. S, W, Y. It isn’t as impactful even with that slight change, never the less the edited version that gets rid of that framing all together. IH literally set himself up for failure by plagiarizing, because he couldn’t be as good as the original article even if he tried. Literally could’ve instead asked permission from the OG and acted like the video was an adaptation and this would all have been fine. Instead he decided to trick other RUclipsrs into participating in his plagiarism, taking advantage of them as well as the article, to produce something he had little part in for money. This also calls into question all his other works, another horrible side effect of this practice. Are the fall of 76 or engoodending of no man’s sky videos also plagiarized!? Are we going to find some random article somewhere that is the entire script for one of those videos? Unlikely, but his sullying of his own reputation by plagiarizing once, like trust and the wrinkling of paper, in practice sullies those old videos as well, not only his future projects, merely due to the possibility he has always been this scummy.
I don't get how people are surprised. The way he tells the story, I just assumed it was something written like the My Immortal vids. Any long form story narrative doesn't seem like his shorter, earlier stuff and definitely not like his incognito improv. Maybe that's just how I see it- He's basically doing audiobooks, shoulda just licensed it.
@@cissyiniguez The lack of credit and failure to acknowledge his “mistake” is the issue though, not just that people were surprised it turned out not to be original.
Watching you react to Iiluminaughtii's shenanigans without first watching the Filip and Monster Madness bits is interesting, because I watched this front to back, and one of the things Hbomb's video does is use the two previously-exposed cases of plagiarism to construct a kind of profile of a RUclips plagiarist M.O. that the Iiluminaughtii segment builds on top of, which is important because the following two cases that dominate the rest of the video lean heavily on that established M.O. to make a case against two plagiarists who hadn't been fully outed for plagiarism yet. Watching it front to back with the Filip and Newt plagiarism cases already explained, my own personal reaction was more like, "Wow, this shit again... but wait. People really get away with this when they're high-profile? And they get away with it THIS MUCH?"
"Paid in exposure" is a punch line for musicians or other performers like that who are being asked to work for free. For a youtuber who makes money from ad revenue, they are LITERALLY being paid in exposure ...
Hasans reaction as the reality of the man in cave section started to sink in was my same reaction when i first watched this video. I really liked that video but i guess i just liked the article. Feelsbadman.
Adaptations of works across mediums is a perfectly valid thing, the problem lies in the complete lack of honesty and integrity IH exhibited in how he handled the making of the video. Literally if he had just asked for the writers permission and given full credit to the writer, and denoted his video as an "adaptation" instead of an original work, everyone would have been happy and this whole situation would never have happened. The video could have been the exact same otherwise aside from that and this entire debacle would have been sidestepped completely. It genuinely baffles me why he didnt do this considering how easy it would have been and how much backlash it would have saved him. @@kyuokuo
@@zannax351 As some IH sycophant commented in response to this exact point on some other video I watched about this: "Asking means they can say no, so why risk it?"
I know it’s time for bed. First couple of times I read the thumbnail, I thought it said “hamburger guy” then I thought it said “hbo bomb guy” then “h bomb guy” 😭
Fun fact, the reason why there isn't any more Board James episodes is because they stiffed Bad Luck Bootsy. That's right, they underpayed a guy who not only did the amazing music for the series but was also a main fucking character. Not only that but the work conditions were ghastly if you watch the documentary they routinely used methods which were uncomfortable or downright disgusting. One of the best series isn't getting any more episodes because of one guy's avarice. At least they ended on a bang.
Also: before Blaire did those story time videos, she did makeup tutorials That chick really had been scheming on becoming a big RUclipsr for ages, iirc she used to tell people she had cancer too
And Bootsy was their friend from college, years before. They treated one of their best friends so poorly, who the hell does that? Poor Bootsy. At least he found out that they didn't care about him whatsoever, so it meant he could move on with his life and never speak to them again.
Im not surprised so many ppl (viewers/chatters NOT creators) dont understand what constitutes plagiarism. From what ive noticed from talking to n helping my teenage relatives a lot of students rn are straight up passing thru school never learning how to even write a basic essay let alone learning proper research citation. This means that once they graduate they either dont go to college n never learn how to do that or they get to college n find themselves incredibly unprepared. My little brother started college this year n he was one of those kids that was allowed to just pass thru with no regard for whether he was too far behind to be able to keep up n im not kidding when i tell u he just barely wrote his first ever proper research paper a few weeks ago (he had a few research projects in high school that i had to help him with but never an essay) n i had to help him so much with just basic essay n SENTENCE structure that it was actively concerning to me that he knew so little. I really dont think the blame falls on these ppl that dont understand how these things are plagiarism, the school systems just incredibly fucked yall.
yeah the US education system is fucked, i don't teach but i work with a lot of undergrads and there are a lot of people fresh out of high school who are insanely unprepared for university which completely wrecks their ability to do school. a lot of people drop out and are suddenly 19 or 20, working dead-end jobs, and saddled with student debt but no degree, which we all know can easily just completely fuck someone over in the long term
This obviously doesn't go for all IH fans, but I went to his most recent video (interestingly posted on the same day hbomber was), and straight up all of the comments in reply to the accusations either deny the validity of the claims, or just flat out say they don't care if he did that 😭. It seems folks really don't care.
@@groundstark2 The guy writing the original article spent months of on the ground research to write that thing. What content would there even be for IH to draw on if there was noone to do all that work because it doesnt pay? Whether we have information about our world more accessible matters *a lot*
@@groundstark2 exactly. People whine and cry about the “plagiarism” of the “super cool article” that they would NEVER even know about if not for IH being someone who brings it to life. Guess movies based on books are plagiarism now...
The OG video + Hasan’s reaction and talking to chat is so interesting. A solid collection of perspectives describing all angles of how to ethically use the work of others.
I loved one response to them going all "it's a victimless crime, nobody gets hurt!" that was essentially "Really hope you don't apply your idea of what is and isn't plagiarism in real life or you're gonna end up in jail."
I mean, I've never heard of them so I have no streak in the argument. But Hasan had a good take. Imagine if he had reached out as a collab using it for a cold read. It would've been a win-win for both sides.
@@Trekyhunter Yeah, even Harry (despite admitting at the outset that he's not a IH fan) conceded that the animations added an interesting twist, you gotta wonder why he didn't go "Hey, look at this cool article I found written by so and so, let's go through it with a funny visual representation" in the first place (IIRC IH even had a secondary channel with similar "reenactments" of things like My Immortal and Jeff the Killer)
Because he would then have to share money and credit. Why share either when he can just...take it and receive both? Plagiarism, like a lot of exploitative tactics, has less to do with laziness and more to do with the arrogance of viewing yourself as impervious enough to get away with it and a sheer disrespect for the victim if they raise the alarm. But there is the twist that the Plagiarist is often lacking confidence in their ACTUAL material and knows it. For someone with a genuinely inflated ego, they would just release their own terrible work, but for a Plagiarist, they are self-aware enough to know they suck but are too arrogant to actually try and improve themselves...and thus rely on others to do all the heavy lifting. @@MrGared22
In my ap classes(college level English and writing classes in high school) I wrote a 6 page essay on how illegal immigration wasn't a national threat to the United states and used and sited over 6+ articles perfectly. My teacher actually told me my essay switched her position on the matter. Plagiarism is usually met with expulsion, crazy to me adults that do it dont face jail time.
No literally, I know most ppl here aren't in academia so it's hard for me as someone studying Egyptology to explain like just how horrible this problem is. It might seem small or something too niche and purely for the pompous halls of academia, but there is a reason why students get expelled for this shit and they 100% should. Blood, sweat and tears go into making sure arguments and journals are correctly done as to prevent this sort of laziness and blatant disregard for a topic. It just contributes to a bigger problem that tends to heavily impact the humanities, and contribute to the wider public's already lowered perception of writers, journalists, and researchers.
@@smoot9069the amount of work researching is on its own is an incredible task, let alone compiling that research into a concise and organized body of work that can be understood by someone with little or no knowledge on a situation or topic. to blatantly copy that work and pretend like you did it is just gross and disrespectful.
Jail time? Come the fuck on. Academic institutions SHOULD be harsh on cheating because it affects the whole school's credibility. A youtuber ripping off other people is not the same type of shit. To be clear, I'm really disappointed in James but jail?
Jail is a bit harsh for a non violent crime, but yeah these people all demonstrate a complete lack of understanding in what goes into real academia. These books and articles represent months, sometimes years of research and effort. For someone to just swipe it and be like “yeah I’m just this smart, this is all off the dome” is wild
The sheer irony of someone doing a reaction video to this one is astounding. The video literally makes fun of you. For doing this very thing. 2 hours of content based on someone else's work. Hysterical.
Whats hysterical is how bad this take is. Not only did he only watch part of the video which would already make your argument flimsy but theres also more commentary then there is video shown. Not to mention HBomberguy would be fine with this
I’m really anal about citing in my essays but I’m not perfect. My rule is that if I had to look something up or I’m stating a fact, it gets cited. If it’s a quote or a paraphrase it get’s cited in the text itself + a footnote, otherwise it “only” gets a footnote every time the information comes from them. I really don’t want to accidentally plagiarize someone’s work
Same. I hate writing in-text citations, so I only do it if I feel like I need to directly quote the source. Otherwise, I'm putting it together in my own words/getting to a bigger point and including where the info came from via a citation. The rule of thumb I learned was: if its not common, knowledge and you're stating it as fact, best to cite a source for it.
I feel like most people do this unconsciously. If you're saying something evidenced by information from someone else, footnote. If you're saying what someone else has said (as either a quotation or paraphrasing), then literally: '[name] writes / supposes / suggests that', 'According to [name]', '[name] et al found that'. There's no other way to even communicate that information.
ppl literally don't understand plagiarism and they also do NO RESEARCH. If you do more research it's impossible to plagiarize bc you will have learned enough that you can't copy anymore
NO this is not how it works. The more you learn, the MORE you need to cite in order to avoid plagiarism. Your knowledge is not "yours" You have been imbued with this knowledge through the predecessors who did do the actual literal Research. When you say people don't do research, you're truer than you realize. "Doing Research" is the process that actual Researchers undergo to establish the parameters for a research project, obtain funding, oversight, and execute a study. When people talk about "doing research" they mean googling and learning from those Researchers doing the real work. This is why the more comprehensive and complex your analysis is, and especially when it draws from various sources of knowledge, you MUST cite in order to allow scholars to verify the facts you are claiming as truths that we can just assume as components of the larger analysis or claim being made.
@@propane593 yeah the people covered in hbomb’s video want to be seen as a “source of information” similar to researchers but they have no idea what that actually entails, they can’t even hide their plagiarism well enough to pass high school
A bit surprised by Somerton, didnt expected him to be so blatant about it. Personally I started having some weird vibes when he did that sob video about his patreon earnings dropping by half while never showing a screenshot of those earnings, which i tough was weird specially when it should be really easy to check, since Patreon gives the option to straight up show how much money you are getting monthly on the platform. (Unless they took that option away). Anyway, im glad i trusted my instinct and didnt suscribe to him.
i just noticed that when ever wendigoon came on screen, chat just shat on him like as if he was a gormless freak. idkw but it was funny for me. i guess im not the only one that gets weird vibes from him but not the extent of chat was reactin. havent seen a single vid of him but only get recomendations about his waco vid 24/7
I thought it was strange for Internet Historian to make the cave video. I wonder if he found that article himself or someone on his team sent it to him
yeah, its really ironic to react to this video when harris Literally dedicates time to talk about how react content directly feeds into content mills and directly uses hasan as an example
Bruh I watched a lot illuminaghti for a while a few years ago and was totally unaware of how blatant she just reads from other ppls work wow I knew ppl did that but her channel didn’t give the vibe of an ai generated narrator reading from Wikipedia to farm veiws and money and pump out lame easy content constantly but I guess if ur gonna make it big u gotta hide ur lack of effort behind good editing and glitz and glam so u seem legit and like a decent content creator doing somewhat original work
I learned how to cite sources in kindergarten lol I had to "write a report" about buffalo... we went to the library and looked for books about our subjects, read the book and then write down what we learned and source the book we got the info from (not MLA format lmao). Obviously shit was badly written (and it was mostly stick drawings of buffalo) but the point was to introduce us to research methods.
Honestly I felt really weirded out when the chatters' reaction to Israel appearing in the copyright takedown screenshot was eerily similar to Internet Historian's weirdo fans'. Normal cool people
Illuminaghaughtii (or however its spelled) was always my source of just junk food content anyway, but now I realize if I'm interested in something I should try to find information or videos that are genuine, the documentary she ripped sounds like an interesting watch.
I still like those videos where they read reddit threads because I don't have all day to waste searching for good ones. That wolfbeard story is still great.
Ngl, I love the way Smosh does reddit stories. They bring in their own thoughts and the guests they have with them make it 100x better (special mention of Macdoesit and Thomas Sanders on that front). They make the reddit stories even more chaotic and funny.
did hasan watch the part wher HBomb listed out queer creators he likes? I feel like that is the most important part to watch for people who wouldnt go and watch the whole thing after his stream
The funniest part to me about Blair accusing Legal Eagle of plagerism via editing is that she accused a COPYRIGHT lawyer specifically. Like, bruh, she sucks at research so badly, she couldn't even be bothered to research the dude she was trashing.
I am an absolute HbomberHead...or whatever. It's funny that anyone cares what silly shit he said about Hasan.. It's awesome that they're friends, and why wouldn't the be? Cheers all~
I now feel better for sometimes only reading through the abstract when researching a source for a paper (rather than reading the whole article). Compared to Blair, I might as well be a seasoned researcher who just defended their dissertation.
the funny thing is i feel like youtubers making articles into videos is fucking genius bc it's like adapting a book into a movie all we need to do is develop a structure for it.......
that’s fine but adaptations of work to a new format require permission from the original creator. if he had asked lucas reilly and listed it as an adaptation of the article that would’ve been fine
I only halfway agree bc a lot of these script readers are a combination of sitting down in frame so it's just their person in view, rolling stock footage, or having some sort of avatar representation. I rarely see short animations straight up being created, because that's difficult work. Even IH is only able to do that because he has a team for that. So most of the time it's just passing it off like the person in frame wrote all of those words imo 🤷♀️
For anyone confused, RUclips likes to publish videos a bit before they actually finish processing them, and this one is slightly larger than usual, everything will be okay in a minute or two :)
Ok, this whole discourse needs more lawyers. I'm European, but copyright law is pretty similar across the capitalist world. What Iilluminaughtii, Somerton and others did is direct copyright infringement. Copyright does not protect ideas, facts, opinions, or views expressed. It protects the artistic choice of HOW it was expressed, i.e. in case of written works, how it was worded. If you don't change the wording or change it only slightly, the infringement is clear. It is a bit more difficult in case the work has been altered more - but even then if it can be proved the altered work was based on your original work, it is an infringement. Then, there are exceptions, like the rights to do a parody without asking for permission, rights to cite without asking permission, if you credit the author (again, it is not written in the law how long a citation can be, but it should be what can reasonably be considered a citation). You cannot use the whole work or a substantial part of it without asking for permission, even if you "cite" the source or say your work was based on it (unless it's a parody :)). Academic plagiarism is a separate thing - it is more strict, covers also the use of ideas and opinions. Although regarding citations it is pretty similar as copyright law - if you cite or quote, don't overdo the length and credit the author. So Hasan speaking without a script and sharing either knowledge he got from different articles he's read, or opinions that some articles expressed that he agrees with - is definitely not copyright infringement, because he uses his own words. This isn't an academic environment (for example when giving lectures you should credit the sources). It's just free speaking from a person's own mind, so yeah, no problems with that :) With reaction/response videos a potential problem I see is when the whole video being reacted to is played. It is also more complicated if you react to for example tik toks - you kinda have to play the whole thing. But tik tok is a lawless place anyway :D
Man, that whole scene is foul imo Substandard Meatpie gives me bad vibes, plus dude can't go three months without accusing someone else on the left of some grievous 💩
@@thepolarphantasm2319bad empanada does some really great work with his videos on Latin America ngl, and to be fair he usually is calling out people that kinda deserve it. The whole Vaush/Destiny-sphere is filled with some of the most insufferable shitheads on the planet
we do need him! there’s more to learn in the comment sections of his videos than in the actual videos of many other “leftist” creators, which means his content is appealing to smart people and not parasocial maladjusted weirdos. I really appreciate that about him
I commented it on the original 4-hour video, but it was a missed opportunity not timing the Hasan Chair React shot on 38:46 to exactly the top of the one-hour mark -- Harris does it at 1 hour 6 minutes in.
Ok cool just checking. Im gonna start a reaction RUclips channel and just say a word or two between minutes of video and then credit the creater. Because Im working just as hard as the original creater. Me adding my occasional opinion on a video I make that took 20 minutes to make vs another creater that took weeks to write a script, research, and edit the video that I just download and comment over surely isnt pushing the limits of plagiarism.
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If you haven't heard of hbomberguy, he's arguably the best video essayist on RUclips, you can find him here: www.youtube.com/@hbomberguy
I hope you enjoy the video :)
Tommy tallaricos mother is very proud of him
@@ELPRES1DENTE45 yeah, yeah.
@@nrsrymjnow, that's a real oof moment
I plan to check out the rest of this video, I sometimes really enjoy 4 h in depth commentary^^
He is. Shame that hasan didn't take a moment to realise that eating while a video is playing is pretty close to what hbomber was criticizing...
Downloading the entire youtube upload library of someone your researching just in case is so funny to me, you can really see why Hbomberguy was so annoyed at people not doing their own research.
i gotta know how big this mans hard drive is and how many he has
@@Bala_Niranna It's honestly not that difficult to just have a cheap 1-2 TB external drive on hand for this kind of thing. They don't cost too much, compared to newer SSD-based externals, and if you set a whole drive aside for just video-editing you'd be surprised how far that space goes.
is not that big of a deal. I have all the videos of Unus Annus (so 364 20 or so minute videos and a 12 hr livestream) backed up and it's only 60 GB@@Bala_Niranna
@@OneTrueNobody
Depending on how long they’ve been around and how frequently they upload it can take a LONG time to even scroll down to their first video.
Imagining downloading the ENTIRE list of years worth of videos sounds staggering
@@revolvingworld2676 I mean, I don't think that applies to anyone in THIS video except possibly Illuminaughtii. James Somerton's library isn't THAT big.
Also, if a channel sorts their videos into convenient playlists, you can actually just have your video-download software download entire playlists automatically.
Hbomberguy is the one unimpeachable leftist youtuber. Hes like a wizard in a tower constructed out of vhs tapes and old tins of beans who emerges once or twice a year to teach about an obscure passion of his or absolutely evicerate some unworthy soul.
You say this half-jokingly, but every time HBomber has posted, he's genuinely shifted the industry.
I absolutely love how you got tins of beans in there, I could see him loving that 😅
What is this estrogenic early human language you speak?
How tf is he a leftist???????????????
@@bigpooFanAccountyou haven’t been watching him for long have you 😭😭
Only Hasan can skip 80% of a four hour video and have the end result be *two and a half* hours long 😂
What did he skip
@@jaystephens2759 Watch the original
@@jaystephens2759 watch the original and find out
Normally its the opposite tho 😭💀
did he skip the video or did the channel edit the VoD to make it transformative?
I’m still crushed about Somerton. As queer, Hispanic, trans guy, it really makes me feel about an inch big to know I was supporting him and looking up to him, and he just ripped so many people off.
Have you seen Todd in the Shadows' supplemental video on Somerton?
It's 90+ minutes of stuff Harry doesn't cover in his video because it's not plagiarism... it's all the stuff he just straight made tf up. Todd - a music critic - spent months cataloguing it because it had to be done..
..and because dude made up some story about Janelle Monet that made Todd snap imo 😂
its genuinely heart breaking. queer people and minorities are normal people too and they cant be to represent a whole demographic of people, but it's simply truth that there theyre a representative of our community to people outside of it. thats one facet of how hes harmed out community through his plagiarism, but on a personal level- he was one of my favorite content creators on the platform. i love video essays, i love queer media, and for him to betray us like this by not only plagiarizing but being so immature and malicious... it sucks :/
Same... when he revealed the video was about Somerton my fucking jaw dropped. I love video essays and queer analysis, really felt like a punch in the gut. At least now we know not to sjpport him and the harm he's done...
I'm also subscribe to James before. Still remember him posting on the community saying his youtube revenue is weak and having second thoughts about quitting. And a lot of the comments are about fans signing up to his patreon. Now knowing about his film project never coming to fruition, I really hated that he using the victim mentality to scam his fans. And we will never gonna get a screenshot of that because he erased all of his community post on yt.
@padung6018
I remember seeing that community post, too, because I had subbed after seeing a couple videos. Wild stuff.
it’s literally such a good video, i watched that whole damn 4hrs 😭
I watched in one sitting. I ussaly break ones over 3 hours over a couple days. But nah I ate this vid up. And now I rewatching my steamer watch it. 😅
I've watched it whole when it came Out and watched it again the following days 😭
I watched the video split screen while working. The first time I'd ever done that. It was just so good
SO good
yes
Something I learned while writing my research thesis in university was that there are two main types of plagarism: literal, and conceptual. Literal plagarism means copying someone's words exactly. Conceptual plagarism is a bit harder to grasp, it involves stealing someone's argument, ideas, or organizational outline. Both are bad. Both are plagarism. However, I've run into a lot of works, on youtube and other platforms, where people engage in conceptual plagarism. They think that because they changed a few words around and credited any exact quotes to the original author, it's no longer plagarism.
@@scorchercast8366 i would agree that plagarism by stealing peoples ideas is less common in the movie/film/screen writing/RUclips sphere because common ideas and tropes do get reused over and over again in media. In creative endeavors, 2 people can happen to have the same idea and they interpret it differently and come up with 2 unique creative works based around the same idea.
However in the sciences (my field of study was geochemistry) writing isn't really creative. Everyone organizes their essays and literature the exact same way. The thing that sets scientific writing apart is either the hypothesis, theory, and/or data presented in the paper. To steal someone's idea without crediting it is a huge no-no. Now do people in the sciences also come up with similar ideas at the same time completely independently of each other? Yes. Of course it happens. But I've also seen people get in huge trouble (expelled from the program with their research discredited) because they stole a hypothesis or idea from someone else's paper without crediting them. Idk, maybe my STEM department was overly strict about citing EVERYTHING but thats just kinda how scientific integrity works (in my experience in the geochem world)
@@marinacroy1338late to the game but as someone who worked with a lot of academics (and wrote research myself), I feel like an easy way to work around this is to simply zero in on a more specific research question, then defending to your professors/advisors how you add to the preexisting literature. But easier said than done, I suppose. Plus I’m not sure how this differs in STEM since by background is more in media & politics
@@scorchercast8366 Of course conceptual plagiarism is real. If I produce a novel piece of research and you republish that in an article in which you changed my words around but didn't do anything new, without providing proper credit, you very obviously plagiarised me and will probably be fired if caught. It's not even that rare lol
A lot of chatters seem like the type of people that would consider a piece of plagiarized text to be original if every fifth word was swapped for a synonym.
Ya like “good art steals”. Ya but it’s art that’s better by stealing. Not just stolen connect period.
The worst part about Hasan is that his chat is full of absolute fucking idiots most of the time. Most of the time when he calls out a chatter they are entirely missing the point. I don’t know if those people consider themselves fans or if they’re just there vibing but holy shiiiiiit does it irritate me. I don’t like calling people NPCs or soyjaks because that’s stupid but I cant help but picture someone whose default expression is 😮 whenever they try to hit Hasan with a “but what about this specific instance though” as if Hasan is a completely black and white thinker that cant comprehend exceptions.
Fr, people don't understand yoink and twist isn't you yoink and reword
yoink and twist still requires some skill
yeah and anyways even if you are paraphrasing rather than quoting its still best to cite your source. i know we're not in academia here but the way people will defend someone who's obviously just trying to hide how lazy they are at research is bizarre to me.
Shame Hasan didn’t hear him saying he is gonna donate the proceeds from that video sharing among the RUclipsrs that got plagiarized ❤
Now THAT IS respect 😊
It’s crazy that Hasan’s reaction is one of the only copies of the original IH cave video still up! Thanks for posting this I missed the stream today hasL
Probs bc it wasnt a raw upload
man has a consistent math formula of
Video Length * 2 (sometimes 3)
And I bet most IH fans hate that
@@xibalbalon8668Hasan says he asks for permission and if he didn't, it's because he already had former permission due to being friends. Their problem if they're mad lol
The parasite reaction streamer doesn't ask for permission, that's how they are rich, by unpaid labor
@@TYR1139 yes he does..... Why are you making up lies.. That's just sad.
My favorite part of the video was when he called Ludwig "famous big boy RUclipsr".
He is so big for us
Hbommerguy's best moment bashing through the wall shining style saying "sell to who? Fucking aquaman?!" 😂
Most effective appeal for atlantean real estate speculation I've ever heard fr
@@thepolarphantasm2319 absolutely positively, although earth's new asgardian immigrants are causing a disturbance in the local community.
I used to watch a lot of true crime videos, and after every viewing, I would go to the Wikipedia article about that particular murder, and about 75% of the time, I'd find that the RUclipsr had simply copied all or most of the Wikipedia article...word for word. 😅
I’m telling myself that there’s 0% chance Matt orchard does plagiarism but hbomb’s video has me worried about everyone rn
@@0ptimuscrime I haven’t looked but just from the pattern, Matt orchard waits around 2 months per video, so seems like he’s doing his own work. The ones you should be looking at are the ones that churn out videos constantly, like this is monsters or something.
@@Bullfrog777 yeah I know, when creators incorporate footage and comment on it during their vid it’s hard to figure how that could be plagiarised
Yeah plagiarism is real bad in the True Crime sphere of RUclips.
There is nothing wrong with that you know
I would of never known blair stole all her content cuz I barely pay attention when i watch youtube. But repeating the documentary word for word is pretty blatant.
Me neither, altho I will say that I did get suspicious with her Fyre video bc I had just watched the Netflix doc a few days before. Thought to myself, hmm this is just a straight rehash of the doc.
lol no shit, you guys watch hasan.
@@choppermuklukjr look at you thinking you said something smart
@@choppermuklukjr why are u here 💀💀
Imagine actually watching this grifter parasite, this vermin react streamer somehow got on my recommended and I'm gonna recommed everyone to go out of idiot contained community
i finally got through the whole thing, and the bonus stuff on his side channel
it was pure gold, a pure youtube masterpiece
Todd in the Shadows, a music reviewer, broke character and also did a whole 2 hour video on this clown. I'd never heard of this guy until now, and I feel dumber now that I do.
I just finished that lol great vid
I got the video recommended, and when they said they're a music critic channel, I couldn't believe it until I looked into their other videos (great stuff). James Somerton did his job so bad, he got someone in an unrelated genre to release a video on him 😭
I've been subbed or casually watching Todd in the Shadows for so, so long. At least a decade. It was a real surprise and a treat, honestly.
@@tealeaffreeleaf949 i watch todd religiously but same 😅
TITS is one of the RUclips goats. He's been doing it so long, and his videos have never dropped in quality, they've only gotten better and better with time. He's probably my favourite music RUclipsr. So he gains a default amount of respect anyway, just for being one of the OGs. But yeah to do a video like that where he's breaking character, and it's a very risky thing to do for a channel like his, but he just felt so strongly about the plagiarism that he couldn't stand by and say nothing, he had to make the video. So good on TITS for making it. I have even more respect for him now.
Ethical reacts - i already watched the original video and can’t wait to watch it again with azan
He stole the ad revenue
@@TurtleChad1 ?
@@jaysonlopezsantos4752This dude is unraveling lmao.
@@FeiFongWangthe bot turtle always was trying to farm people from hasan's community but realized people saw through it now tries to farm hate
Watched it twice- now for the chair reacts
Thanks for posting I was worried only the bot channel was going to
All my homies hate 'HasanAbi Reacts To'
@@jstar-dp9zi wait, that one’s a bot?
@@genericname8727 Yup they've copyright striked the other channels including this one in order to take them down many times before
Yeah somehow the little editor notes make me smile knowing he actually watched along before releasing the video.
Anyone have a summary of the good channels in the complex?
My old roommate constantly watched those movie summaries with her boyfriend and it drove me nuts that anyone would do that😭
listen, i have weird likes and dislikes myself, but....are they okay?
@@asuka-ryo i can’t imagine they were since i’m talking about hours of watching those things💀
@@asuka-ryoi used to watch them 😭😭 i dunno why i did. they were like drugs or something
They’re so popular. It’s sad. My nephews (5th grader) would literally waatch them all the time…. Instead of watching the actual movie with me …. I was so baffled. I worry about the future of film in general if this is what his generation does now. They don’t have the attention span to watch a story unfold and told properly through film. He just want to get the cliff notes without sitting through the presentation.
The first week in my junior year of college where I got really depressed and anxious, and for some reason got stuck on watching them endlessly and stayed indoors. So I’m convinced other people who watch them are severely mentally unwell as I was.
can confirm that as a high schooler if i handed in a project cited as poorly as that documentary id be asked to redo it💀
1:20:05 Yes. Even the original version of Man in the Caves version is inferior to the articles. Notice how to attempt some amount of “hm, gotta edit this just a teeny bit so it isn’t obviously plagiarism”, later realizing he still didn’t edit it enough of course, IH replaces the word scream with “yell”. This immediately, while still keeping the tone of the framing, manages to make it worse than the article version, which uses the alliteration to add to the impact. Sleep, wake, Scream. S, W, S. IHs version on the other hand was changed to Sleep, wake, yell. S, W, Y. It isn’t as impactful even with that slight change, never the less the edited version that gets rid of that framing all together. IH literally set himself up for failure by plagiarizing, because he couldn’t be as good as the original article even if he tried. Literally could’ve instead asked permission from the OG and acted like the video was an adaptation and this would all have been fine. Instead he decided to trick other RUclipsrs into participating in his plagiarism, taking advantage of them as well as the article, to produce something he had little part in for money. This also calls into question all his other works, another horrible side effect of this practice. Are the fall of 76 or engoodending of no man’s sky videos also plagiarized!? Are we going to find some random article somewhere that is the entire script for one of those videos? Unlikely, but his sullying of his own reputation by plagiarizing once, like trust and the wrinkling of paper, in practice sullies those old videos as well, not only his future projects, merely due to the possibility he has always been this scummy.
TLDR: cry more.
I don't get how people are surprised. The way he tells the story, I just assumed it was something written like the My Immortal vids. Any long form story narrative doesn't seem like his shorter, earlier stuff and definitely not like his incognito improv. Maybe that's just how I see it- He's basically doing audiobooks, shoulda just licensed it.
@@cissyiniguez The lack of credit and failure to acknowledge his “mistake” is the issue though, not just that people were surprised it turned out not to be original.
Watching you react to Iiluminaughtii's shenanigans without first watching the Filip and Monster Madness bits is interesting, because I watched this front to back, and one of the things Hbomb's video does is use the two previously-exposed cases of plagiarism to construct a kind of profile of a RUclips plagiarist M.O. that the Iiluminaughtii segment builds on top of, which is important because the following two cases that dominate the rest of the video lean heavily on that established M.O. to make a case against two plagiarists who hadn't been fully outed for plagiarism yet. Watching it front to back with the Filip and Newt plagiarism cases already explained, my own personal reaction was more like, "Wow, this shit again... but wait. People really get away with this when they're high-profile? And they get away with it THIS MUCH?"
"Paid in exposure" is a punch line for musicians or other performers like that who are being asked to work for free. For a youtuber who makes money from ad revenue, they are LITERALLY being paid in exposure ...
I’m going to go ahead and take the “f-yeah, go for it dude” as directed to me, and get a Hasan en español channel going 🙌
First Hasan reaction ever that’s shorter than the original video
Hasans reaction as the reality of the man in cave section started to sink in was my same reaction when i first watched this video. I really liked that video but i guess i just liked the article. Feelsbadman.
Nah, you liked the video. No one “watches” an article, now do they?
Adaptations of works across mediums is a perfectly valid thing, the problem lies in the complete lack of honesty and integrity IH exhibited in how he handled the making of the video. Literally if he had just asked for the writers permission and given full credit to the writer, and denoted his video as an "adaptation" instead of an original work, everyone would have been happy and this whole situation would never have happened. The video could have been the exact same otherwise aside from that and this entire debacle would have been sidestepped completely. It genuinely baffles me why he didnt do this considering how easy it would have been and how much backlash it would have saved him.
@@kyuokuo
@@zannax351 As some IH sycophant commented in response to this exact point on some other video I watched about this:
"Asking means they can say no, so why risk it?"
I know it’s time for bed. First couple of times I read the thumbnail, I thought it said “hamburger guy” then I thought it said “hbo bomb guy” then “h bomb guy” 😭
hobo bomb guy 💀
Ethical reacts I was never going to watch the original so it doesn't affect the metrics.
h bomb kinda sounds like a slur
habibo guy
H burger guy is his second channel
Fun fact, the reason why there isn't any more Board James episodes is because they stiffed Bad Luck Bootsy. That's right, they underpayed a guy who not only did the amazing music for the series but was also a main fucking character. Not only that but the work conditions were ghastly if you watch the documentary they routinely used methods which were uncomfortable or downright disgusting. One of the best series isn't getting any more episodes because of one guy's avarice. At least they ended on a bang.
Also: before Blaire did those story time videos, she did makeup tutorials
That chick really had been scheming on becoming a big RUclipsr for ages, iirc she used to tell people she had cancer too
And Bootsy was their friend from college, years before. They treated one of their best friends so poorly, who the hell does that? Poor Bootsy. At least he found out that they didn't care about him whatsoever, so it meant he could move on with his life and never speak to them again.
Hasan actually should do a pathologic stream. Seeing someone who gets so emotionally rattled by games playing pathologic would be amazing
Im not surprised so many ppl (viewers/chatters NOT creators) dont understand what constitutes plagiarism. From what ive noticed from talking to n helping my teenage relatives a lot of students rn are straight up passing thru school never learning how to even write a basic essay let alone learning proper research citation. This means that once they graduate they either dont go to college n never learn how to do that or they get to college n find themselves incredibly unprepared. My little brother started college this year n he was one of those kids that was allowed to just pass thru with no regard for whether he was too far behind to be able to keep up n im not kidding when i tell u he just barely wrote his first ever proper research paper a few weeks ago (he had a few research projects in high school that i had to help him with but never an essay) n i had to help him so much with just basic essay n SENTENCE structure that it was actively concerning to me that he knew so little. I really dont think the blame falls on these ppl that dont understand how these things are plagiarism, the school systems just incredibly fucked yall.
my school required we have citations for our papers in 2nd grade 😭
Ot course not, it's a video about a parasitic react streamer
yeah the US education system is fucked, i don't teach but i work with a lot of undergrads and there are a lot of people fresh out of high school who are insanely unprepared for university which completely wrecks their ability to do school. a lot of people drop out and are suddenly 19 or 20, working dead-end jobs, and saddled with student debt but no degree, which we all know can easily just completely fuck someone over in the long term
I love that hasan didn't even realize hbomber made fun of him.
Love how Hasan says in this video how Hasan Reactions is a hasan fan page and not him, while on Hasan Reactions lol
This obviously doesn't go for all IH fans, but I went to his most recent video (interestingly posted on the same day hbomber was), and straight up all of the comments in reply to the accusations either deny the validity of the claims, or just flat out say they don't care if he did that 😭. It seems folks really don't care.
Because at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter
@@groundstark2 The guy writing the original article spent months of on the ground research to write that thing. What content would there even be for IH to draw on if there was noone to do all that work because it doesnt pay?
Whether we have information about our world more accessible matters *a lot*
@@black_forest_ isnt that what ih is doing even it is someone else who gathered the info first, ih is still spreading the info
@@groundstark2 exactly. People whine and cry about the “plagiarism” of the “super cool article” that they would NEVER even know about if not for IH being someone who brings it to life.
Guess movies based on books are plagiarism now...
@@kyuokuo Tbf they do buy the rights for the movie adaptation but yeah
i think you’re my fav hasan community uploader cause your little notes are so funny and true
this is like when finkelstein debated dershowitz and pointed out that his entire book was plagiarized
The OG video + Hasan’s reaction and talking to chat is so interesting. A solid collection of perspectives describing all angles of how to ethically use the work of others.
Internet historian fans huffing lethal levels of copium. Just admit you got dupped.
I loved one response to them going all "it's a victimless crime, nobody gets hurt!" that was essentially "Really hope you don't apply your idea of what is and isn't plagiarism in real life or you're gonna end up in jail."
I mean, I've never heard of them so I have no streak in the argument. But Hasan had a good take. Imagine if he had reached out as a collab using it for a cold read. It would've been a win-win for both sides.
@@Trekyhunter Yeah, even Harry (despite admitting at the outset that he's not a IH fan) conceded that the animations added an interesting twist, you gotta wonder why he didn't go "Hey, look at this cool article I found written by so and so, let's go through it with a funny visual representation" in the first place (IIRC IH even had a secondary channel with similar "reenactments" of things like My Immortal and Jeff the Killer)
Because he would then have to share money and credit. Why share either when he can just...take it and receive both?
Plagiarism, like a lot of exploitative tactics, has less to do with laziness and more to do with the arrogance of viewing yourself as impervious enough to get away with it and a sheer disrespect for the victim if they raise the alarm. But there is the twist that the Plagiarist is often lacking confidence in their ACTUAL material and knows it. For someone with a genuinely inflated ego, they would just release their own terrible work, but for a Plagiarist, they are self-aware enough to know they suck but are too arrogant to actually try and improve themselves...and thus rely on others to do all the heavy lifting.
@@MrGared22
In my ap classes(college level English and writing classes in high school) I wrote a 6 page essay on how illegal immigration wasn't a national threat to the United states and used and sited over 6+ articles perfectly. My teacher actually told me my essay switched her position on the matter. Plagiarism is usually met with expulsion, crazy to me adults that do it dont face jail time.
No literally, I know most ppl here aren't in academia so it's hard for me as someone studying Egyptology to explain like just how horrible this problem is. It might seem small or something too niche and purely for the pompous halls of academia, but there is a reason why students get expelled for this shit and they 100% should. Blood, sweat and tears go into making sure arguments and journals are correctly done as to prevent this sort of laziness and blatant disregard for a topic. It just contributes to a bigger problem that tends to heavily impact the humanities, and contribute to the wider public's already lowered perception of writers, journalists, and researchers.
@@smoot9069the amount of work researching is on its own is an incredible task, let alone compiling that research into a concise and organized body of work that can be understood by someone with little or no knowledge on a situation or topic. to blatantly copy that work and pretend like you did it is just gross and disrespectful.
Jail time? Come the fuck on. Academic institutions SHOULD be harsh on cheating because it affects the whole school's credibility. A youtuber ripping off other people is not the same type of shit. To be clear, I'm really disappointed in James but jail?
@@omgkthxbii mean stealing work/info in general isn't a crime but about physical objecs and protected trade secrets is?
Jail is a bit harsh for a non violent crime, but yeah these people all demonstrate a complete lack of understanding in what goes into real academia. These books and articles represent months, sometimes years of research and effort. For someone to just swipe it and be like “yeah I’m just this smart, this is all off the dome” is wild
The sheer irony of someone doing a reaction video to this one is astounding.
The video literally makes fun of you. For doing this very thing.
2 hours of content based on someone else's work.
Hysterical.
Whats hysterical is how bad this take is.
Not only did he only watch part of the video which would already make your argument flimsy but theres also more commentary then there is video shown.
Not to mention HBomberguy would be fine with this
H: "There's more? It's 4 hours! Who has time for that?"
Me: *who has watched the Hbomberguy video all the way through twice already* 👀
Hasan reactions mentioned i screamed my fav fan vod channel
I’m really anal about citing in my essays but I’m not perfect. My rule is that if I had to look something up or I’m stating a fact, it gets cited. If it’s a quote or a paraphrase it get’s cited in the text itself + a footnote, otherwise it “only” gets a footnote every time the information comes from them. I really don’t want to accidentally plagiarize someone’s work
Same. I hate writing in-text citations, so I only do it if I feel like I need to directly quote the source. Otherwise, I'm putting it together in my own words/getting to a bigger point and including where the info came from via a citation.
The rule of thumb I learned was: if its not common, knowledge and you're stating it as fact, best to cite a source for it.
I feel like most people do this unconsciously. If you're saying something evidenced by information from someone else, footnote. If you're saying what someone else has said (as either a quotation or paraphrasing), then literally: '[name] writes / supposes / suggests that', 'According to [name]', '[name] et al found that'.
There's no other way to even communicate that information.
anal lol
ppl literally don't understand plagiarism and they also do NO RESEARCH. If you do more research it's impossible to plagiarize bc you will have learned enough that you can't copy anymore
NO this is not how it works. The more you learn, the MORE you need to cite in order to avoid plagiarism. Your knowledge is not "yours" You have been imbued with this knowledge through the predecessors who did do the actual literal Research. When you say people don't do research, you're truer than you realize. "Doing Research" is the process that actual Researchers undergo to establish the parameters for a research project, obtain funding, oversight, and execute a study. When people talk about "doing research" they mean googling and learning from those Researchers doing the real work. This is why the more comprehensive and complex your analysis is, and especially when it draws from various sources of knowledge, you MUST cite in order to allow scholars to verify the facts you are claiming as truths that we can just assume as components of the larger analysis or claim being made.
For the sake of a RUclips video, they could just read a book or two and then put it into their own words, it would be more authentic too
@@propane593 yeah the people covered in hbomb’s video want to be seen as a “source of information” similar to researchers but they have no idea what that actually entails, they can’t even hide their plagiarism well enough to pass high school
A bit surprised by Somerton, didnt expected him to be so blatant about it.
Personally I started having some weird vibes when he did that sob video about his patreon earnings dropping by half while never showing a screenshot of those earnings, which i tough was weird specially when it should be really easy to check, since Patreon gives the option to straight up show how much money you are getting monthly on the platform. (Unless they took that option away).
Anyway, im glad i trusted my instinct and didnt suscribe to him.
Displaying that number is up to the creator now, so it may not have been visible
Thank you for the top of the hour ad break experience even on RUclips^^ the ad was timed exactly right and and it made me laugh>
And sweet and short^^
i just noticed that when ever wendigoon came on screen, chat just shat on him like as if he was a gormless freak. idkw but it was funny for me. i guess im not the only one that gets weird vibes from him but not the extent of chat was reactin. havent seen a single vid of him but only get recomendations about his waco vid 24/7
I thought it was strange for Internet Historian to make the cave video. I wonder if he found that article himself or someone on his team sent it to him
i'm here to prostulate whether or not hasan steals my chat jokes
Not @justinbouchard messaging my friends in hascord to take my style of ironic comedy to pass off as their own and troll azan with it. SMH. 🤦🏽♂️
??? @@plaguey_3317
He does briefly call out Hassan in the video which was funny and mainly a glancing jab.
yeah, its really ironic to react to this video when harris Literally dedicates time to talk about how react content directly feeds into content mills and directly uses hasan as an example
I love the editors notes lol
I love when his haters and simps latch onto a sarcastic or satrical comment and run with it like its a Gotsha moment xD
Bruh I watched a lot illuminaghti for a while a few years ago and was totally unaware of how blatant she just reads from other ppls work wow I knew ppl did that but her channel didn’t give the vibe of an ai generated narrator reading from Wikipedia to farm veiws and money and pump out lame easy content constantly but I guess if ur gonna make it big u gotta hide ur lack of effort behind good editing and glitz and glam so u seem legit and like a decent content creator doing somewhat original work
I swear being able to read this is a superpower.
pls my man buy a keyboard with punctuation; i know they sell them
You’re one of the better Hasan channels because of the editing and red text boxes you throw in.
I learned how to cite sources in kindergarten lol I had to "write a report" about buffalo... we went to the library and looked for books about our subjects, read the book and then write down what we learned and source the book we got the info from (not MLA format lmao). Obviously shit was badly written (and it was mostly stick drawings of buffalo) but the point was to introduce us to research methods.
That sounds adorable and educationally valuable.
My parents have my report somewhere still, all of words are written backwards cuz I'm left handed haha @@hollyhaunted6502
I watched the whole video yesterday and wondered if Hasan would watch the whole thing.
Honestly I felt really weirded out when the chatters' reaction to Israel appearing in the copyright takedown screenshot was eerily similar to Internet Historian's weirdo fans'. Normal cool people
The crazy thing is she could literally take her entire script and run it through ChatGPT and ask it to change the words. Doesn’t even take creativity.
50:45 we've reachced peak meta
James Somerton looks like a Bergen that hasn't consumed a Troll in a very long time.
The first Hasan reaction where the reaction is shorter than the original video length!!!
Harry rules. Glad Hasan knows whats up
His name is Harry??
Hbomberguy? Yeah, he's Harry
@@thepolarphantasm2319 i guess I always thought he looked more like a nicholas
@@thepolarphantasm2319 or like lucas or something
Huge L for the gays. Get rocked, boys. Hasan's homophobia contract has been EXTENDED
I see this net gain, Hassan is a like the nemesis of The Gays TM 💅🏼 🌈🌤️
No other group does that *ONLY HASAN*
Illuminaghaughtii (or however its spelled) was always my source of just junk food content anyway, but now I realize if I'm interested in something I should try to find information or videos that are genuine, the documentary she ripped sounds like an interesting watch.
I still like those videos where they read reddit threads because I don't have all day to waste searching for good ones. That wolfbeard story is still great.
Ngl, I love the way Smosh does reddit stories. They bring in their own thoughts and the guests they have with them make it 100x better (special mention of Macdoesit and Thomas Sanders on that front). They make the reddit stories even more chaotic and funny.
*You can now be like Hasanabi Corporate and have hasan saying your name in the intro* 50:36
50:25 respect for him bringing up a link to the best hasan clip channel of all time
did hasan watch the part wher HBomb listed out queer creators he likes? I feel like that is the most important part to watch for people who wouldnt go and watch the whole thing after his stream
The fucking gall of Hasan to react to this makes it so fucking hilarious its unreal
He got permission
@@wicked5999 how do u know?
@elgronian3432 because hes friends with hbomberguy
“I pay in exposure” he says to his 20 thousand viewers while watching a video with millions of views.
I love that you get a call out/shout out in this vid
i wouldnt even be that mad if it werent for the fact she accused someone of copying a EDITTING technique of all things...
The funniest part to me about Blair accusing Legal Eagle of plagerism via editing is that she accused a COPYRIGHT lawyer specifically. Like, bruh, she sucks at research so badly, she couldn't even be bothered to research the dude she was trashing.
Does Hasan ever do reaction videos on Some More News? I’d love to see that. Love Cody and love Hasan.
The socialism leaving Hasan’s body when the paid vs exposure argument comes up
Socialism is when people arent paid
almost like the world isnt a binary or something
I am an absolute HbomberHead...or whatever. It's funny that anyone cares what silly shit he said about Hasan.. It's awesome that they're friends, and why wouldn't the be? Cheers all~
I now feel better for sometimes only reading through the abstract when researching a source for a paper (rather than reading the whole article). Compared to Blair, I might as well be a seasoned researcher who just defended their dissertation.
the funny thing is i feel like youtubers making articles into videos is fucking genius bc it's like adapting a book into a movie all we need to do is develop a structure for it.......
chat copied what I said >:(
that’s fine but adaptations of work to a new format require permission from the original creator. if he had asked lucas reilly and listed it as an adaptation of the article that would’ve been fine
@@ayooobroYeah exactly, and it has to be marketed specifically as an adaptation of the original work and make it clear. Otherwise, it is a good idea.
I only halfway agree bc a lot of these script readers are a combination of sitting down in frame so it's just their person in view, rolling stock footage, or having some sort of avatar representation. I rarely see short animations straight up being created, because that's difficult work. Even IH is only able to do that because he has a team for that.
So most of the time it's just passing it off like the person in frame wrote all of those words imo 🤷♀️
They would probably have to work for the newspaper, maybe for multiple. But that's just "the news" basically
Watching Hasan talk about this channel while watching on this channel is insane lmao
I've noticed a lot of RUclips is just plain poor production quality but people are getting dumber by the day so it goes very unnoticed.
First react shorter than the original video?
He only watched parts so that it didn't take literally a full day :)
@@HasanReactionsfanTwofair
@@HasanReactionsfanTwoI would have watched every minute of it
@@CJMGalaxyhard same.
Even if you don't know how to properly cite, there are sites that do it for you as long as you plug in the right information.
Hbomberguy: I don't need to explain who the Angry Video Game Nerd is
Hasan: Who is the Angry Video Game Nerd
Hasan Reactions... Damn, great Video. hbomberguy has a new sub from me.
“Where are you reading this from?” “My brain, bitch.” Go off, king 😂
chat struggling to understand that you still have to cite paraphrases of other people’s arguments and research
there is also a huge difference between using the same/similar talking points as Hasan and just jacking someone else's creative or investigative work.
I KNEW hasan would react lol classic, cool dude
Here b4 sound
For anyone confused, RUclips likes to publish videos a bit before they actually finish processing them, and this one is slightly larger than usual, everything will be okay in a minute or two :)
@HasanReactionsTwo I was just teasin :) I love your channel ty for your videos
Also here when sound
Don't worry, I figured you did, but for anyone else reading it's helpful to inform them
Nice shout out from the man himself aww
Ok, this whole discourse needs more lawyers. I'm European, but copyright law is pretty similar across the capitalist world. What Iilluminaughtii, Somerton and others did is direct copyright infringement. Copyright does not protect ideas, facts, opinions, or views expressed. It protects the artistic choice of HOW it was expressed, i.e. in case of written works, how it was worded. If you don't change the wording or change it only slightly, the infringement is clear. It is a bit more difficult in case the work has been altered more - but even then if it can be proved the altered work was based on your original work, it is an infringement. Then, there are exceptions, like the rights to do a parody without asking for permission, rights to cite without asking permission, if you credit the author (again, it is not written in the law how long a citation can be, but it should be what can reasonably be considered a citation). You cannot use the whole work or a substantial part of it without asking for permission, even if you "cite" the source or say your work was based on it (unless it's a parody :)). Academic plagiarism is a separate thing - it is more strict, covers also the use of ideas and opinions. Although regarding citations it is pretty similar as copyright law - if you cite or quote, don't overdo the length and credit the author. So Hasan speaking without a script and sharing either knowledge he got from different articles he's read, or opinions that some articles expressed that he agrees with - is definitely not copyright infringement, because he uses his own words. This isn't an academic environment (for example when giving lectures you should credit the sources). It's just free speaking from a person's own mind, so yeah, no problems with that :) With reaction/response videos a potential problem I see is when the whole video being reacted to is played. It is also more complicated if you react to for example tik toks - you kinda have to play the whole thing. But tik tok is a lawless place anyway :D
Hassan started getting stunlocked right away
I love BadEmpanada cause he's the curmudgeon the left deserves, but doesn't need right now.
Man, that whole scene is foul imo
Substandard Meatpie gives me bad vibes, plus dude can't go three months without accusing someone else on the left of some grievous 💩
@@thepolarphantasm2319bad empanada does some really great work with his videos on Latin America ngl, and to be fair he usually is calling out people that kinda deserve it. The whole Vaush/Destiny-sphere is filled with some of the most insufferable shitheads on the planet
we do need him! there’s more to learn in the comment sections of his videos than in the actual videos of many other “leftist” creators, which means his content is appealing to smart people and not parasocial maladjusted weirdos. I really appreciate that about him
bad empanada is completely insane, lmao, pero al menos habla español, chido el georsh jajajaj
I don't know how anyone could watch the hbomberguy video and think that Harris would approve of the way Hasan reacts to content.
I commented it on the original 4-hour video, but it was a missed opportunity not timing the Hasan Chair React shot on 38:46 to exactly the top of the one-hour mark -- Harris does it at 1 hour 6 minutes in.
The delusion...
35:59 Hasan: “Who’s the Angry Video Game Nerd?”
Chat: “He’s the angriest gamer you’ve ever heard…”
My sides are obliterated
Imagine not watching the whole video
25:26 this sounded familiar to the netflix doc i wanna comment to see if im right before i play
25:44 called it
Is the irony lost on everyone that a reaction RUclipsr is "reacting" to a video about plagiarism?
He literally says that he and hbomberguy are friends, and that he said the joke about it was fine
Also Hasan reacting to parts of his video whilst commentating and crediting it is far from plagarism
Ok cool just checking. Im gonna start a reaction RUclips channel and just say a word or two between minutes of video and then credit the creater. Because Im working just as hard as the original creater. Me adding my occasional opinion on a video I make that took 20 minutes to make vs another creater that took weeks to write a script, research, and edit the video that I just download and comment over surely isnt pushing the limits of plagiarism.
@@pixeljury never said he worked as hard but ok
Best argument Ive heard for plagiarism yet. Yeah he never said he worked hard and he credits the people he steals from. 🤌
The irony kek
First time Hasan's video is shorter than the original one