The FIRST TIME Bottle Caps Were Used As Currency in Fallout
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Fun Fact: They were also used by the army forces stationed at what eventually became The Divide on account of them being the exact same shape as the requisition chips they had been given to operate the advanced commissary system around the area, which sparked many soldiers to begin hoarding bottle caps to use in the commissary.
100% something the military would do.
@@klortikterra4423 A loophole that benefits the rank and file?
Fuck no. US Army would close that loophole in an eyeblink, all while ignoring systemic issues harming the soldiers for decades on end.
@@abloodraven3856 no no no, i mean the Soldiers.
@@klortikterra4423your both right soldiers would jump on this the second they got a chance or there would be that one sneaky dude who figured it out early and didn't tell anyone
@@abloodraven3856 They actually did, there’s a note you can read that states they’re disabling all the Commissaries until further notice because of the loophole. It’s why you need ED-E to unlock them when you find them.
Mobius is the Madman raving about wierd conspiricy theories, and the fallout universe is Mad enaugh to constandly proove him right.
He’s the genius behind the Think Tank, they just couldn’t handle his Swagger
I love when that robot said "It's Mobin Time" and Mobed all over the place.
I think people forget IRL Aluminum was insanely valuable up until recently. Making it before modern technology cost a lot of money. So those caps could be used for more than currency if needed, also patching scrap to fixing cars and electronics.
When I was homeless, bottle caps could also be used as currency in some areas.
"How do you fix a car with a bottle cap?" Well you need a fair bit, and to melt them down and reshape them.
"How do you fix an electronic with a bottle cap" You can make either crude flat wire by cutting it into shape, used for saudering when gold and silver are not available, and more.
It was the 1890s when it was made cheap to refine. And wastelanders can't patch up their damn clothes, let alone a car.
Why would homeless people use bottle caps as currency?
@@cjware316the aluminum can be traded to recycling plants for cash
@@Kingdomkey123678bottle caps (like the ones in the fallout games) are made from steel
Morbius was always a genius
Despite him now tripping in his bio gel, spiked with mentats
I loved when he said "It's Morbin Time." and Morbed all over the place.
It's kind of the perfect currency for a post apocalyptic world water proof and fire proof
The reason they were first used in Fallout was as a backed currency to represent 1 bottle of clean drinkable water by water Merchants
Then they where worthless in 2 (because of the NCR dollar taking over). Then Bugthesda brought them back for 3 with no explanation for why they are being used. Then told Obsidian that they *had* to use them too in NV (they didn't want to, they basically wanted only Legion and NCR money), so they had to scramble to find an excuse for them to be back (and the Big Mt dialog is basically them poking fun at it). Then 4 came out, again with no explanation. Then 76 came out and gave us a perfect reason for their use in Appalachia, that would at best be a temporary regional reason and in no way explains their use in the Boston or Capital Wastelands 190 years later.
This is not actually true, or at the very least wasn't actually the case in the original Fallout games. In Fallout 1 whenever you talk to people about bottlecaps they always say that they're backed by the merchants of The Hub, they never say that they're backed by water.
@@hanzzel6086 I mean I feel like you just answered your own question, my guy. Bottlecaps as currency originated in Appalachia and then spread out across the Wasteland due to merchants and caravans, plus there was also a mass exodus of people fleeing Appalachia due to the Scorched Plague.
@@elvis5008the water merchants at the hub, are backing a way to close bottles of water, but the whole reason they do this has nothing to do with water?
@@georgemurdock7670 It's not just the Water Merchants that back Bottlecaps, it's all of the Merchants in the hub. The Water Merchants are just the most successful/powerful ones in the Hub, mostly due to the fact that water is in high demand. But no, no one in game ever says that caps are backed by water, just that they're backed by The Hub Merchants.
I also remember a terminal entry at the beginning of Lonesome Road, where the military commissary takes bottle caps (although I believe in the lore this was accidentally, as the machines were supposed to take their own coins, but bottle caps would work, as a glitch)
That's exactly right. Troops were using bottle caps instead of the actual money to buy alcohol.
If I remember, the only reason why the white springs teamed up with Nuka cola was because they were broke and needed all the money they could get. Nuka cola basically did whatever they wanted in the white springs
He was shaking holding back the urge to pick them up
Really cool lore and honestly mobius is probably one of the sharpest minds left in the world during New vegas
He's a fascinating character, think he 'was' one of the sharpest minds in the setting.
From a lore perspective it would’ve made sense to have like a contest to see who can collect the most or something to explain all the caps in random places and stashes, but for a currency in a post apocalyptic game it’s pretty cool
I think it still fits in lore because littering is a very big issue with humans in general and most of the games take 200+ years after the war people have had time to gather them together
I always thought caps being common currency in the wasteland was because Nuka-Cola was hugely popular and widespread across Pre-War US making bottle caps easy to find.
Partially correct, bottled drinks were popular across the U.S, after the war making more is kinda hard So the bottle caps became currency, backed by their value in water
They're pretty much perfect as a currency. They're easily carried, recognisable, pretty hard to duplicate (well) and the supply is pretty much fixed
Bottlecaps were originally backed by the water merchants of The Hub, each cap was worth 1 bottle of water, and made it easier for merchants to carry and transport wealth without actually weighing themselves down with hundreds of gallons of water.
By Fallout 2 the NCR started printing bills and minting coins for their currency.(I don’t remember what they were backed by)
Bethesda went back to the bottlecaps as a style choice and changed the in universe reasoning for being used as currency.
@@jacobbecklehimer7781 it was backed by gold, but by fallou NV, raids and wars with the BOS made it so their reserves got depleted and have really nothing backing it by the NV events
@@remcodenouden5019 True i think it was a good design choice but lore-wise i don't believe everyone on the wasteland uses caps as currency (like the ncr dollar and legion denarius) there are probably places where people probably don't even use currency and instead rely on bartering goods like exchanging crops for cattle like in the "hear ye hear ye" days of old.
Funny how the caps where only used in the first OG game with a well thought out reason and a system even backing up the value (the water barons) but by the second it was replaced by NCR coins, the in fallout 3 and onwards bethesda jsut decided to use it becuase it looked cool and for no other reason whatsoever, hell the institue in fallout 4 could make the currency of the commonwealth anything they wanted if they sold water
Real money doesnt have a back up.
But... that's still consistent with the lore. Neither FO3 nor FO4 contain centralized or organized enough governments for the establishment of stable currencies. Yeah the institute *could* distribute water and establish an economy, but that's a post Fallout 4 question. Within 4 itself, that hasn't happened, and as for why the Institute didn't do so beforehand, they're a bunch of radical isolationists. So it still makes sense.
@@juanfranciscobartlett5197 This, real money is just the weight and cost of either raw or processed metals. Whether that be gold, iron, bronze, silver, aluminum, etc.
Yea same thing with super mutants and the BoS. It's so frustrating that 90% of what Bethseda has made is just rehashed ideas from the first two games without any lore explanation as to why those things are in a new setting
@@rakka64Even though they are constantly giving believable in lore reasons for plenty of these things and people decide to conviniently ignore those reasons for the sake of dunking on Bethesda.
You forgot Sunset Sarsaparilla Star Bottle Caps
🎶 I've got my caps that jingle jangle jingle 🎶 (jingle jangle)
fucking loved just getting the think tank to give me more things
Dr Micheal morbius?!!
It's that time
Morbing time?
I think it's funny that you can't use the prewar money in the vending machines that you find but you just take the soda out and the only time I have used prewar money is in fallout 4 nuka world dlc at the nuka arcade
See, I’ve been hoarding my pre-war money in 3, in hopes that a ghoulified vendor or something will be operating with a pre-war money based system😂😂
new vegas dead money has the only casino that lets you trade in cash for chips
Pre war money is used as toilet paper in the fallout post war universe :)
@butthead772 you technically can't use it, you can only sell it to make money. There's a difference.
Now that i think about it, thats a pretty good business tactic, to get caps prewar, people would have to buy nuka cola, and using caps as currency would provide an insentive to get caps, thus get nuka cola, thus bringing in potentially more money for the company.
Yup, cereal box tops worked kinda the same way for a while. You needed X number to get a prize that cost 15th the price of all the cereal you had to buy to the X number of box tops.
The Bottle Caps being used as a promotional gimmick and then being transformed into actually currency is just too good.
It really isn't considering quantum was only in Washington D.C but hey, when has beathesda gave a shit about lore? 😂
Do you think people would flatten their caps to make them easier to carry lots of them around??
No because it would make them easier to counterfeit
@@Quotethe that makes alotta sense
@@Quotethe wonder how big a bag of 1000 caps would be and how much it would weight for carrying, probs wouldnt weigh too much but could be bulky carrying around a main character amount of caps
@@baileytopping6800 probably not that much because I've opened cap stashes with 200 caps in them and they're not much bigger than a mint tin but apart from that caps storage isn't really addressed in the games
@@baileytopping6800 as someone who plays hardcore FNV, Decided to go looking for a mod for weighted bottlecaps. I think the one I found was 0.005 units of weight per cap. Which doesn't sound like much but could add up quickly. 1,000 caps would only be about 5 weight, but 10,000 or more became a problem at 50+ weight
Y'all think we are gonna get to see the think tank bois before they became brains in the fallout show?
We can only hope for now
I mean we did see sinclair so DLC characters will probably make an appearance in the show in one way or another
@Mister_Burke-Tenpenny01 sinclair a chunky boi. Wonder if we will get dean domino references then considering dean directly affects his story?
That wouldn't make any sense considering the show is 19 years after
@mickelrubeo249 you can hope all you want but unless you bring TIME TRAVEL yall are just being dumb 😂
God i love fallout so much , just seeing these little clips from nv , 4 and 76 just makes me fall deeper in love with the franchise
A lot of Bethesda unnecessary hate going on but keep in mind the mobius dialog was not from Bethesda’s creation but the original writers of the first two games. Honestly bottle caps make a bit more sense in comparison being that not only are small, easy to transport but also have trouble being regulated in any sort of capacity locking their value pretty aptly. It’s why gold was adopted because it’s hard to replicate or create and super rare and honestly not too crazy to assume something prominent, durable yet being unable to replicate like bottlecaps.
There plenty of valid Bethesda criticisms. This ain’t one.
Yes but they only did that because they follow Bethesda's fallout lore better than bethesda does... in Fallout 2 we had real currency show up (muxh like New Vegas) but Bethesda said, screw that Bottle Caps are iconic, meaning they had to backtrack on that for New Vegas
This video is so fucking high quality
Makes sense, considering we already do this in real life.
• box tops for education,
• my Coke rewards
• Cashback when you return bottles
• $12 off ticket with a can of Coke
Your forgetting about Lonesome Road and how the commissary could only take caps
They had tokens that were shaped exactly like caps. I read the terminal for some reason.
@@Geared_Upyea, they had a problem of people using bottle caps instead of the coins
@@clashking6660 Precisely!
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Thinking back at historical events in the 60s and 70s, cigarettes were used as currency a lot in war countries. I think it could be much the same considering how common cigarette smoking was during this time and their unavailability after the bombs drop. Be worth more than a few bottle caps 😂. Lighter than a dang bottle cap I think too - and easier to maintain stealth.
But far more fragile and wouldn't last as long. Valuable to sell its carton/pack form for bottlecaps, at least in fo4.
Cartons and packets of cigarettes are worth a good chunk of caps in fallout new Vegas, they don’t weigh to much and are useful early game for bartering
The automated vendors in the hopeville military installation also featured a bug where bottle caps worked like their proprietary credits (lonesome road)
Dr Venture was too poor and decided to force bottlecaps as currency
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thanks mate!
I still like the idea that bottle caps were stand in for Water bottles as it is a rarity in the Wasteland back then and thus is very valuable
The first time is when someone bought fallout with bottle caps from Bethesda
Bethesda didn’t produce fallouts 1 and 2
Yes, he's aware of that, he means when Bethesda literally let someone buy fallout 4 with IRL bottlecaps in a gigachad move. @theflyingeyeball
@@matthewsimon6170 damn. Forgot about that
I love your shorts, they’re honestly great to watch and highly informative!
Thank you! Appreciate you checking them out
What about in lonesome road where there is a terminal entry about the commissary terminals accepting caps even thought they weren't meant to as currency
As stated elsewhere, it’s why all the commissaries are disabled. It was a design oversight and once they figured it out they disabled them.
That is why you need ED-E to turn them on
Of course dr venture would fit perfectly in fallout
I think if there was a fallout situation right now the currency would probably be can tabs. They're plentiful and you can hold them all together on a ring or a string. Alot of the energy drink cans now have either special designs or colors too which can denominate different values. And they weigh practically nothing even compared to bottle caps.
Remember when in lore they said that the Nuka-cola Quantum was just a short run in DC, & no where else?
Yeah, then beathesda decided 76 should butcher all lore
I love that we finally have an explanation for for why the weast coast uses caps as well.
We already had one for the west coast, but the east coast makes a bit less sense. The Hub in former California used caps as a currency with their value tied to clean water because caps are scarce and hard to reproduce so inflation wouldn’t be a problem.
@@aidanspencer2721this is also why the NCR dollar is a thing, they were trying to take power away from the hub water merchants
You've never played fallout 1 have you
What is how all of the places that were excepting bottle caps before or related to the enclave in someway? It’s almost like they plan for this
I do love when games make lore why the currency works.
I miss the big MT. I need to break out NV again.
Your character looks badass in that armor and gear.
I missed that about the Whitesprings - very cool!
Even the Sierra Madre vending machines accepted caps.
Granted, it was due to some faulty code, I understand that much. But you still could exchange caps for goods, ticking the boxes to be counted as currency.
Personally I refuse to accept Fallout 76 as canon as it messes around far too much with the established lore, that doesnt mean I hate 76 mind you, I just see it as a non canon spinoff
Makes sense for it to be a simulation, but if it was cannon I’d hate Bethesda. It’s far too goofy too early in the series. Early fallout was gritty and dark. 76 is just reskinned FO4 CO-OP
i mean bottle caps have been used in different places due to different but similar reasons, that part is not even a retcon
lmao cry about it
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@@GlizzyGoblin757 You underestimate how stupid Fallout fans can be...or any fans for that matter
If we do have an apocalypse in hour lifetime I think people who played fallout will establish it in their own way imagine traveling and meeting a person who wants to trade in caps the first time you'd think what's wrong with him but after a couple times after some weeks you'd think back to all the bottle caps you've overlooked as trash
Hmmmm mighty convenient that you can use the main currency at pre-war places.
Blueberry is the one we had yesterday
The fact that the robot at the Greenbrier has a foreign accent is too accurate to the real life Greenbrier that actually makes me sick “ I’m from Greenbrier county wv “.
Insane how close yet so far away we are as a society from actually having fallout type equipment.
The only problem I have is that we never see other forms of currency being attempted, the only time we see alternative currency was from both the NCR and Legion. It feels like a huge waste like it would seem to make sense for the Brotherhood to have their own currency.
Hey man great short you doing anymore main lore videos been enjoying thos and any chance on the interloper ? 😁 Keep up the great work!!!
Hey man! Appreciate that, yeah got a couple of big ones in the works at the moment. I was hoping to do a lore video on the ‘ancient minds’ of Fallout at some point which would definitely include the Interloper, but probably not for another month or two. Should have the next one out soon though!
@@UraniumFever76 that sounds awesome man can't wait!!! And take the time you need cuase these are real good quality videos 😁😁
You missed sunset sarsaparilla
I've gottwn to the point where I hate bethesda. They're such lazy writters it's embarrassing.
The only reason the caps ever had value was because the Hub Water Merchants backed the "currency" with water. Caps were chosen because the machines needed to manufacture were few and far between.
They’re like children. All they know about fallout is the “cool” stuff.
Everything is about power armor, nuka cola, vault tec, etc.
They also continue to keep the world a wasteland FOREVER. It’s been 200+ years and these fucks still write it all to look as though the bombs fell days ago.
But thats the story of all currency. I think its fine to keep using bottlecaps because once youve got people using a currency, its hard to switch. They are just being creative.
US dollars aren't backed by jack shit anymore now either. 🤷🏻
Bethesda didn’t write Old World Blues, it’s a New Vegas dlc
@@bligblungus8421
You expect these people to actually pay attention? Most of them aren't even media literate.
Wasn't Quantum released the day the bombs dropped? I dunno if that makes it count.
Yea coz they added it in later games for quests
What's is the armor and clothing you have on in the first few seconds of the short?
Mmmm that music goes so damn hard
I need the bottle suit. Creation club?
Whats that armor at the beginig
fully upgraded shadowed leather set, with combat weave i think.
@@sludgechanwith the creation club Vault tech paint job!
Bethesda lore after 3 doesn't count imo
How ironic would it be if we did use caps for money when the world has gone to shit
Why does nira have to smack you like that
I hate all the forced, insane contrivances in fallout 76 to justify this completely different period being practically identical to the more iconic fallout games.
where is this place you say accept caps
What about the robots at nuka world
Where i can find that left shoulder armor piece?
What armor is that at the beginning of the video?
Bro payed for a copy of fallout 4 for alot of bottle caps
Where do you get the chestpiece?
It's shadowed medium leather armor you can craft it or find some normal and make it shadowed
Coulf this be suggesting the us dollar was so low in value that americans used caps
More than once?
I always wonder why no one just makes their own.. gotta be pretty easy.
It's been explained in universe as the technology to make them being lost
No, the proper machines with the official stamps to make the bottlecaps are destroyed every time one turns up, with one of the PCs (courier?) destroying one ourselves.
Also most of the time it isnt worth it to counterfit them.
How did Curie get in Fallout76? What a ripoff.
By the second game everyone was using other currencies and in new vegas we also see even more currencies that make sense. But the hack morons from bethesda wanted to bring back something from the first game wether it made sense or not
Yes you see other currencies used in New Vegas, but you can't buy anything it it. And you only use bottle caps as currency in that game.
In Fallout 76, there's multiple currencies you can use to buy things with.
@@hermos3602 pay to win currencies?😭 what is wrong with you? Why would you bring that up? In new vegas the caps are a remnant from fo3 but at least they bothered with the others, it also makes some sense since its independent, but yeah you are right about that, but i chug that to bethesda telling them to use caps.
I mean they make sense for the world’s Bethesda builds. Fallout 3 and 4 are literal wastelands with no functioning government or body able to distribute currency.
And new Vegas did a great job of having the world building explain why caps are still the main currency in the Mojave. A frontier battled over by two major warring factions where either currency essentially becomes useless to a war torn area.
The reasoning for caps being used is consistent with their surroundings even if it is gimmicky.
@@lucasgaudio3720-someone who has never played any other game than vegas
@butthead772 idk of those only one eye rapes you in the screen when you get some.
I HATE THAT FRENCH ACCENT
shame on your opinions, SHAME!
Wait is Mobius voiced by Matt Berry?
It sounds nothing like Matt Berry
@@rynor2691 A simple “no” would of sufficed.
@@rynor2691 i looked it up and it isnt, but he literally sounds like his character in Garth Marenghi's darkplace
@@psyok it literally doesn't but ok
@@rynor2691 it literally does, but even so saying he sounds *nothing* like him is objectively wrong.
That red circle thing is from the tv show loki
Oh dear sweet summer child
Thankfully 76 isn't canon
Thankfully, your idiotic takes are irrelevant
It is. It’s canon probably makes the most sense as well.
@@Model3140digitalalarmclock yes I'm sure the Mothmen helped, as they're economic gurus
Mothman is canon, just like in real life
@@Decadent1984 so in the series with aliens, fire breathing ants and geckos, a giant robot that throws nuclear weapons like footballs, and giant crabs the size of a small house, a mutated bat is way too far.
Days since Bethesda feels the need to over-lore iconic elements from the fallout series: 0.
i dont count any of 76 as canon
dude it’s not 2018 anymore it’s actually a pretty good game
Sounds like someone’s a lil baby
Well that's too bad, cause that's not how canon works lmao
@@floraforsakennote lorewise 😂
@@NashTheEmperoror someone likes GOOD writing
76 is confirmed as non-cannon. Which is good, they have to write a lot for content/lore and need to fill it with something. This way you get a "nice" story setting but it won't impact the real Fallout universe.
Where was that confirmed? I looked all over and can only find articles from people saying they personally don’t consider it cannon, nothing from Bethesda or Obsidian
@-Nick-Name- Don't bother chap he's lying
youve been misinformed bethesda nor obsidion have never said that or announced it, 76 is just as canon as fallout 3,4 and new vegas
@@Oghuzpervert1 Thanks, Turkish Giga Chad.
Nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source
I just feel like this is quite lazy story building
76 still isn't a thing
Wdym?
@@RealHunterVRit sucks
@@CodenameHaswellythat doesn’t explain what donald said lol
@@RealHunterVRfallout 76 is so bad gameplay wise and lore wise that any lore channel using 76! As a lore source needs to stop doing lore videos 😂
@@cyber1ifeconnor I’d have to disagree honestly
I've gottwn to the point where I hate bethesda. They're such lazy writters it's embarrassing.
The only reason the caps ever had value was because the Hub Water Merchants backed the "currency" with water. Caps were chosen because the machines needed to manufacture were few and far between.
It also makes sense that water merchants would use something related to bottling their commodity.