@@BittermanAndy Indeed! It was a massive con to the customers disadvantage, and so far, none of the manager culpable for that have been sentenced to lengthy jail time, which is a shame and travesty of justice.
...you know that this company was co-founded by Adolf Hitler and committed various war crimes (like using captives from concentration camps as forced laborers and building weapons for the Nazi terrorists). VW is trash from the beginning.
I have a 2022 Pro S. I have had it since January of 2023. Almost 19 months of ownership. And despite VW's assurances that we would get software updates over the air, my car hasn't received a single OTA software update since I've owned it. I have repeatedly contact VW Customer Service. Their most recent excuse was "older cars are now receiving OTA software updates and newer cars are too. But there are a bunch of ID.4s produced in the second half of 2022 that are not and yours is one of them. We are working on this problem." That response came some months ago. Still, as of today, no OTA software updates. That is an issue. The car itself is well built and made of quality materials. But the company's inability to fix their software combined with their "we don't care" attitude when you speak to them - that is the problem.
The legacy auto companies have collectively buried their heads in the sands thinking that EV development will be slow, like it has been in the past 20 years. And they had their reality check last year in the Shanghai Auto Show.
I have a ID.4 and I don't like or hate the haptic buttons. The travel assist is by far the best I have used. The software is not great but you get used to it. Like everything there are always better ways to do it. The Nav works but it is ugly. I have a 2022 Pro S RWD and in 2 years I have put on 81k miles.
As I understand it the final nail in the coffin that got Deiss sacked was when he wanted to reduce the worldwide budget for VW advertising by 9 billion and put the money on R and D, specifically EV,s. The Porsche-Piech family are still the majority shareholders and voted him out. Deiss was an engineer and the accountants didn’t like an engineer in charge. Mary Barra is an accountant (MBA), Farly from Ford is an accountant (MBA), Toyoda from Toyota was a MBA but the new guy Sato is an engineer but is surrounded by MBA,s., even the CEO of Geely is guess what? An MBA. BYD chairman is …..a chemist specialising in metals. Anyone see a pattern here?
An accountant CEO, IS THE CONDOM ON THGE PENIS OF PROGRESS. Accountants are simplistic creatures who only look at few backward looking KPI(MOST OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY KRI). They generally operate on-the basis of NO TRUST.
The touch buttons on the steering wheel is a disaster. For some reason Audi has also used touch buttons on their new Q6 etron. It makes the car feel cheep and there is no way the reduced cost of the parts is a good enough excuse to do this. The steering wheel of my 2017 e-golf feels a lot more exclusive, and the buttons works perfectly.
I have had an iD5 for a year, I keep being told how bad they are, but I my have been lucky and got the only one that works extremely well. I am very pleased with car.
In Germany VW tells a different story ;-) They say, their EV sales are going down because the people don't want EVs any more (they don't mention that the 6000,- EV bonus for the buyers has been canceled in Germany with about 3 days notice starting from January 1. 2024). And Tesla for example is still selling their Teslas, even in Germany in big numbers.
@@richard--sBecause they are stuck in past glory. They love their Diesels. I drive a Tesla Y quite often through Germany for business and there is zero issues. But it’s laughable they are destroying themselves.
Germany is never well-known for its software engineering. I think it has been more or less related to their slow digitalization: the whole society dislikes anything digital (they may prefer "mechanical"). From digital payment, to internet infrastructure, etc.
Which is ironic because Karl Zeuss (sp?) was one of the great computer pioneers, back in WW2, working with way less resources than his British and American equivelents.
We’ve only driven our leased 2023 ID4 about 3500 miles to date. I guess I’m supposed to be worried about all of these software problems, and haptic controls, and be all hating how it all works; but so far it’s great. I purposely tried to recreate the haptic adaptive cruise control issue, so far I am unable to understand how it happens? The adaptive cruise set and resume are not haptics; they both must be physically pushed. That said, out of caution I have adopted a policy of simply turning off the whole system (it’s just a touch of a one button and it informs you that it is off or on) completely when in closes quarters. I was at a parking area at the marina/harbor today in my city of 90,000. There were four ID4’s within eye shot of where I parked ours, also on Iconic 5, two Bolts and one Model Y and several plug in hybrids from various brands. To be sure there is not one of those models or any other new cars there that doesn’t have some issues.
Same here. Not hearing him show or speak to the 2024 Model that made big improvements in the car platform and software. Not perfect by any stretch, but not bug ridden like previous model years.
I recently went from a 2020 Golf 8, the worst car I ever owned. The car was in the workshop 13 times in 3 years for software issues. From annoying to dangerous application of the brakes on the autobahn. VW customer service was shocking, they didn't care at all. So we now drive an EQA250 EV and love it. VW are losing the plot!
The software only works if the rest of the infrastructure is in place and fit for purpose (sensors, chips etc.) VW "building to a price-point" has often compromised that.
I remember getting excited about VW EVs. We waited and waited, then they spewed out expensive, boring-looking boxes, with cheap buttons and shitty laggy software. (I’ll give the ID Buzz a pass just cos it looks funky) but jeez is anyone surprised why nobody is buying their stuff.
Europe hasn't banned Chinese cars it's just put a high import duty on ones made in China, that's why BYD are building factories to make them in Uzbekistan, Hungary and Turkie. To get around US tariffs they're going to build factories in Brasil, Mexico and Canada.
Neighbour has a leased ID3 - absolutely hates it. Loads of software and hardware issues, multiple times off road in 3 years, poor build quality, just a mess. He’s now bought a used Nissan Leaf and loves it. The ID3 is just running down the lease now on his drive.
I am driving and owning since more than 6 years electrical cars and have tested MEB platform cars and also lately Chinese, just to compare. I have to say the SW of VW isn´t that bad at all anymore and the efficiency and ride quality is quite good and this matters the most. With the Chinese cars I have driven the SW was quiet annoying - beeping at every occasion, the lane/cruise control wasn´t good nor the efficiency. The major showstopper on the MEB cars is the missing frunk. The rest is solid as the major things are good driving, good efficiency and not thousand of SW options which are mainly less professional as the human - at least as of now!
The German auto unions have shot themselves in the foot. Trying to save jobs by retaining production of ICE vehicles condemns VW to a bit part role in the world vehicle market. Factories will close as VW loses market share and tens of thousands of union jobs will be lost. I am reminded of the UK coal industry, destroyed almost single-handedly by the leader of the National Union of Mineworkers (Arthur Scargill). Rather than accept that coal was very polluting and on its way out and negotiate an extended drawdown with good worker compensation, he chose to organise strikes and combat the closures. In short order he permanently destroyed demand for UK coal (it was even cheaper to import it all the way from Australia). There are currently only two large coal mines in the UK - down from over thirty. It is believed by many that Scargill was working on instruction from the Soviet Union. I don't think German Unions are working for anyone but their workers, but they are failing them in that they do not see the real world as it is but rather than through the rose tinted spectacles of permanent production of ICE vehicles. In short, blinkered Luddites.
The unions have nothing to do with it. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and you can't turn one of the most encrusted, bureaucratic organisations in the German automotive industry into a software company. The sole reason for founding Cariad was to establish a fast acting organization out of the usual managerial nightmare that is Volkswagen. Unfortunately, they chose Volkswagen managers to fill the ranks at Cariad. The result is obvious. Stop your senseless union bashing and take a look at the facts for once!
I bought a brand new 1977 VW Champagne edition Rabbit. Fun, fun, pretty car with an incredibly bad electrical system which was unpredictable and ultimately dangerous. I would never buy another VW and not surprised they are still struggling with issues that everyone has figured out.
Some users in Hong Kong are actually reporting issues with their electric drive units if it is estimated that it might be either the software or the actual Hardware itself but a lot of users are getting a bunch of warning messages including 12-volt system
My 2yo Atto3 goes like clockwork. Hasn't missed a beat. Range still seems as original. So far it has had seven OTA updates making little improvements here and there. Great vehicle, love it.
VW worked with Rivian to install Rivian’s OS on an electric Audi. Rivian managed to install some of its software on the Audi. The results were favorable. I have no idea what the results were but VW seems very interested and is investing at least 1 Billion US dollars to bring the Rivian OS to BWs vehicles. Personally, I’d pay for to upgrade my 2021 I’d.4 if the price was affordable and if it was a significant value upgrade too.
I have owned or been driven in three volkswagen vehicles. I grew up in a '73 Beetle. I owned a '00 Jetta TDI, my wife owned a '98 Passat. I looked forward to the id.4 (and the upcoming id.buzz) yet found them lacking. I is unfortunate. Watching Alex on e for Electric deal with his id.4 was frustrating.
I have a Skoda Enyaq built on the same platform. Great car, proper buttons. Software works. I would NEVER use adaptive cruise control. I've personally seen too many instances of cars not knowing what the speed limit is, either because of GPS errors or because their speed limit database contains errors.
If only Blackberry would have ventured in EV software, it would be delivered with less glitches and super secure while keeping the IP in the western hemisphere. Think about a missed opportunity.
@@frankcoffey automakers rely on suppliers to most of their components. Software is just another one. Unless all OEMs follow the vertical integration promoted by Tesla. If you follow the automotive industry , this is how it was till mid-70’s and outsourcing was highly promoted in the 90’s. The key is to identify the right partnership while sharing the liabilities.
@@NanoSchaap Outsourcing was fine when those parts didn't have chips and software. It's different now, everything has a data link and automakers need to own and control that or it takes too long to fix or change stuff.
No one seems to mention it but what is the repair cost of a tesla to a vw. Tesla is built to crumple so I assume the speed differential between id4 and model y is significant and so too should be the repair cost
As a German I'm not surprised. Software related podcasts were talking for many years about the low quality of software coming from German companies. Even when devices were otherwise still good, the software was horrible. These companies never put in efforts to think about how good software is being made. The educational system also never adapted to the rise of software engineering. Only some people are getting filtered into university classes where they learn Java.
The biggest problem in the global automotive industry is trying to actually make a profit. Many companies trade their way into the coming financial year with all the standard business costs, labour costs, labour pensions . The aim is to make a profit, but most companies are there to not lose a whole pile of money. Some highly expected models don’t do well where as others with lower expectations do well. This is the most important thing ; that some models sell.
How are the non EV vw's this last decade? Back in the 80's my mum had a polo and that was solid for about 15 years. My EV is a first gen nissan and it has been great, best most reliable car I've owned. Short range, but enough for us as a daily driver. Super cheap to run also. Funny how the manufacturer really, really matters with EV it seems?
@@jasoneldridge4738please... VW are known for one of the worst paint quality the last 20 years. I am from salty Denmark with experience with these vw cars. Remember golf mk4 Rotting away, hatches, fenders and so on. Now what about golf mk5, where doors rust by just looking at them. Passat B6/b7 rotting away too. Any micro stone hitting paint and its gone. Welds at hatch rusting. Doors rust. Only things that dont rust in b7 passat is fenders and bottom floor. Bonnet, roof is trash. Vw's 12 years rust warranty is useless as its only applicable if rust is from INSIDE to outside. But it always rusts from outside... So only 2 years warranty in reality. How can it get worse than that? Tell me more how VW holds up in rust belt areas, compares to other even cheaper brands.
Sad. I love my Cupra Born despite its overengineering and non-existent connectivity, but VW really has to get its act together. 2031 for a new EV platform? Note that the MG4, which is an ID.3 equivalent (I'm tempted to say copy) is 150kg lighter right now.
In Ireland ev sales are going down with almost no private buyers just companies buying for tax reasons. New cars sales are petrol, diesel and hybrid. Most people waiting for something better than evs.
Thing is, 70% of new car sales in the UK are company. Not sure if that’s the same in Ireland but it’s going up and up here. Hybrids are the biggest winners, EV’s still going up. Petrol/diesel are tanking (pun intended).
@@mavelous1763Hybrids lead to EVs eventually. That’s probably good for suppliers in the interim as they get a little more time to learn to improve the EV aspects.
@@temujinkuechle6287 Agreed. The funny thing? The anti-ev trolls who were anti-hybrid five years ago now are pro-hybrid, because they need something……..
I must say that in EV era, only German luxurious brands, like BMW can survive because once they sell their car with 200k apiece, it should not be a problem to increase to 250k apiece. Thanks to brand recognition. But Volkswagen and the likes won't have a future because their market share will be consumed by Chinese cars.
You’re missing the e-forest for the e-trees. VERY is delaying production and release of its EVs b/c they’ve figured out the market doesn’t exist for more EVs. Plain and simple
Isn’t it strange? VW hired both lead engineers who lead the development of the BMW i3. The layout of VW ID3 is identical to BMW i3. Only… my BMW i3 never had any software (or other) problems. Also my BMW i3 weighs 1245 kg all in! Bring back the BMW i3 please.
Btw, to your comment at the end of the video, in the news today, byd is talking to the Canadian government about bringing their cars here. Preliminary talks for due, but it’s happening. Byd already has a truck assembly plant in Canada
Sam you keep talking about unions slowing down ev transitions. What about the shareholders who prevent investment in ev technologies so that they cake continue to profit from ICE platform returns? It’s not just the union determining how VW invests.
ahahhah ahahahah 🤣😂 man I expected it to be bad but the ID.4 takes the cake the battery is 27'000USD a cost that in case you didn't know is immediate and instant depreciation when you sign the contract for a new ID.4 because dealerships consider the battery a consumable, you buy the car the battery is worthless for them, unsellable, in my country it means the instant you buy one you lose 65% of the price with 0day 0distance driven
How can VW compete with BYD. BYD has government subsidies on every car it exports. BYD has access to enforced labour , child labour, and electricity from cheap coal fired power stations. How could Germany allow year on year emissions to be increasing due to aggressive manufacturing? Governments in the West have to do what the people want, China has one voice & he does not have to care what anyone else thinks.
Legacy auto manufacturers are still assemblers of product from a myriad of suppliers. Trying to compete with vertically integrated scaled EV manufacturers already with working EV software platforms. Afraid to compete and canabalize their ICE sales. Afraid to scale to profitability.
This is typical legacy firms they run on project managers, accountant who cannot think outside a process and keep adding buffers after buffers in a planninb. Thats is why i can imagine their deadline expand to 2030. I have seen that in companies that cannot dare to queatuon themselves
What is broth? Is it a typo or have I missade something? If you are talking about the infotainment system then I just tested an ID7 overnight and that infotainment was kick ass! Best I have ever used really. Maybe you did not test their newest version which has been re-designed quite a lot if I am not mistaken
It also rides the nicest out of any EV I have driven (Tesla, Volvo, Polestar, Hyundai, Ford). The 2023 AWD at 5.8 0-60 is perfectly sprite enough to get you away from situations. I plan to drive ours for the next 8-10 years.
For some bizarre reason, VW decided that the development of EVs needed to occur with the development of some futuristic complex software. Presumably because they thought EVs were really futuristic so they needed some futuristic software to go with it. What complex software did the 1909 Baker Electric Car have? None. VW have lost the plot.
Well, I think it is more complex. Legacy auto farmed out the software in ICE cars and had minimal in-house talent or experience creating software and system architectures. Drag in a bunch of random software coders run by finance with an inadequate budget, and you'll get an absolute mess. Not at all surprising to me.
@@tesla_tap Not the point I was making, but anyway. Yes, I agree outsourcing sucks, look at Boeing then compare to Tesla and BYD. Agreed. My point is that EVs are not complex. Otherwise how were they 1/3rd of all cars on the road in the early 1900s, well before a computer was even invented.
I think legacy automakers, especially in the United States are dragging their heels with EV development in hopes the government will just give up and let them keep making ICE vehicles.
Tesla has had a decade and a half to perfect EVs, VW under 5 years, partially because they were slow to adopt. But they really should be able to use German made software, this constant outsourcing to China is a major failure and weakness. The ID4 is actually a gorgeous vehicle, way nicer than the boring stale model Y, with fantastic range options too, so it’s not all bad!
Their argument for tarrifs in Europe and USA against Chinese EVs is that Chinese gov subsidised them. Which I think is true. But USA has bailed out US car companies so you could argue they have been subsidised too. I’m not sure regard Europe’s if they have done the same. And I’m not sure how much each country has done in equivalent money. China has subsidised key parts of the supply chain like batteries. It was smart. They were starting to dominate and reap the rewards. They will still dominate even with the tariffs, because they are that good. The tariffs may go even higher. They are also building factories overseas to get around the rules but EU and USA might change the rules and so a rug pull on them. Kind of sad that the capitalist, free market, liaise la fair countries are going to tariffs and protectionism etc agains the “evil” communist country. It’s the opposite of what they espouse.
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Firing Diess was the biggest mistake VW did!
After Dieselgate😎
And the tesla made the mistake of not hiring him!
@@mikafiltenborg7572 Dieselgate wasn't a mistake, it was fully intentional.
@@BittermanAndy Indeed! It was a massive con to the customers disadvantage, and so far, none of the manager culpable for that have been sentenced to lengthy jail time, which is a shame and travesty of justice.
...you know that this company was co-founded by Adolf Hitler and committed various war crimes (like using captives from concentration camps as forced laborers and building weapons for the Nazi terrorists).
VW is trash from the beginning.
Weird, my ID.4 has no issues at all. Really great car. Internet is weird place now, far from reality.
I have a 2022 Pro S. I have had it since January of 2023. Almost 19 months of ownership. And despite VW's assurances that we would get software updates over the air, my car hasn't received a single OTA software update since I've owned it. I have repeatedly contact VW Customer Service. Their most recent excuse was "older cars are now receiving OTA software updates and newer cars are too. But there are a bunch of ID.4s produced in the second half of 2022 that are not and yours is one of them. We are working on this problem." That response came some months ago. Still, as of today, no OTA software updates. That is an issue.
The car itself is well built and made of quality materials. But the company's inability to fix their software combined with their "we don't care" attitude when you speak to them - that is the problem.
This guy is Tesla saleman, can t take him serious.
The legacy auto companies have collectively buried their heads in the sands thinking that EV development will be slow, like it has been in the past 20 years. And they had their reality check last year in the Shanghai Auto Show.
I have a ID.4 and I don't like or hate the haptic buttons. The travel assist is by far the best I have used. The software is not great but you get used to it. Like everything there are always better ways to do it. The Nav works but it is ugly. I have a 2022 Pro S RWD and in 2 years I have put on 81k miles.
As I understand it the final nail in the coffin that got Deiss sacked was when he wanted to reduce the worldwide budget for VW advertising by 9 billion and put the money on R and D, specifically EV,s. The Porsche-Piech family are still the majority shareholders and voted him out. Deiss was an engineer and the accountants didn’t like an engineer in charge. Mary Barra is an accountant (MBA), Farly from Ford is an accountant (MBA), Toyoda from Toyota was a MBA but the new guy Sato is an engineer but is surrounded by MBA,s., even the CEO of Geely is guess what? An MBA. BYD chairman is …..a chemist specialising in metals. Anyone see a pattern here?
MBA:- M0r0n1c Brain Ailments?
An accountant CEO, IS THE CONDOM ON THGE PENIS OF PROGRESS.
Accountants are simplistic creatures who only look at few backward looking KPI(MOST OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY KRI).
They generally operate on-the basis of NO TRUST.
I guess that's why byd is running circles around the rest.
Well they prob saw what a success accountants had made of Boeing.
MBA is not accounting, and Mary Barra also has electrical engineering degree.
The touch buttons on the steering wheel is a disaster. For some reason Audi has also used touch buttons on their new Q6 etron. It makes the car feel cheep and there is no way the reduced cost of the parts is a good enough excuse to do this. The steering wheel of my 2017 e-golf feels a lot more exclusive, and the buttons works perfectly.
Mine work perfectly fine and nice to use. As for software, a 1000% better than the byd atto I had
I’m on the VW Facebook forum. The older cars used to be heavily criticised. The new cars seem much better.
A turd is always a turd...
I have had an iD5 for a year, I keep being told how bad they are, but I my have been lucky and got the only one that works extremely well.
I am very pleased with car.
In Germany VW tells a different story ;-) They say, their EV sales are going down because the people don't want EVs any more (they don't mention that the 6000,- EV bonus for the buyers has been canceled in Germany with about 3 days notice starting from January 1. 2024).
And Tesla for example is still selling their Teslas, even in Germany in big numbers.
@@richard--s not true. Germans hate EVS.
@@markmiller8903 why?
They have no idea how to make them.
It's a miracle, that they don't try to sell horse carriages now...
@@richard--sBecause they are stuck in past glory. They love their Diesels. I drive a Tesla Y quite often through Germany for business and there is zero issues. But it’s laughable they are destroying themselves.
@@syproful, biggest open air museum in the world.
Nah sales of Tesla have been down by quite a bit, 47% I believe. But just in Germany… Rest of Europe its up. German politicians really don‘t like EVs.
Germany is never well-known for its software engineering. I think it has been more or less related to their slow digitalization: the whole society dislikes anything digital (they may prefer "mechanical"). From digital payment, to internet infrastructure, etc.
It is a mess caused by inept management and hubris, essentially.
Which is ironic because Karl Zeuss (sp?) was one of the great computer pioneers, back in WW2, working with way less resources than his British and American equivelents.
We love our cash here…no wire transfer please😂
But they built airbus cockpit system.
@@malcolmstreet1Konrad Zuse was the computer pioneer. Carl Zeiss was into optics.
We’ve only driven our leased 2023 ID4 about 3500 miles to date. I guess I’m supposed to be worried about all of these software problems, and haptic controls, and be all hating how it all works; but so far it’s great. I purposely tried to recreate the haptic adaptive cruise control issue, so far I am unable to understand how it happens? The adaptive cruise set and resume are not haptics; they both must be physically pushed. That said, out of caution I have adopted a policy of simply turning off the whole system (it’s just a touch of a one button and it informs you that it is off or on) completely when in closes quarters.
I was at a parking area at the marina/harbor today in my city of 90,000. There were four ID4’s within eye shot of where I parked ours, also on Iconic 5, two Bolts and one Model Y and several plug in hybrids from various brands. To be sure there is not one of those models or any other new cars there that doesn’t have some issues.
Same here. Not hearing him show or speak to the 2024 Model that made big improvements in the car platform and software. Not perfect by any stretch, but not bug ridden like previous model years.
I recently went from a 2020 Golf 8, the worst car I ever owned. The car was in the workshop 13 times in 3 years for software issues. From annoying to dangerous application of the brakes on the autobahn. VW customer service was shocking, they didn't care at all. So we now drive an EQA250 EV and love it. VW are losing the plot!
Should have been a tesla
And when you will get a real EV you will than see what piece of overpriced crap you are driving now.
@@GoranCRO friend of mine bought an EQA as his first EV and I've had a drive of it. IMHO it's a class act.
Owned two VWs, Golf Mk 7 and current Polo, and haven't had software problems with either.
Software issues started with Mk8 Golf and ID3 etc
Any auto company that eliminates the volume knob is on the wrong path.
The software only works if the rest of the infrastructure is in place and fit for purpose (sensors, chips etc.) VW "building to a price-point" has often compromised that.
I remember getting excited about VW EVs. We waited and waited, then they spewed out expensive, boring-looking boxes, with cheap buttons and shitty laggy software. (I’ll give the ID Buzz a pass just cos it looks funky) but jeez is anyone surprised why nobody is buying their stuff.
This explains the Rivian investment.. They desperately need the reliable software. Now let's see if that still happens after this change up..
Europe hasn't banned Chinese cars it's just put a high import duty on ones made in China, that's why BYD are building factories to make them in Uzbekistan, Hungary and Turkie. To get around US tariffs they're going to build factories in Brasil, Mexico and Canada.
But, they are more automated and they are not hiring unionised workers ;) which is what is going to kill the German car industry…
Just Hungary is in EU.
Keep up the good work Sammy !! I love how you cut to the truth on things
Neighbour has a leased ID3 - absolutely hates it. Loads of software and hardware issues, multiple times off road in 3 years, poor build quality, just a mess. He’s now bought a used Nissan Leaf and loves it. The ID3 is just running down the lease now on his drive.
My id4 is great well built. Great steering wheel buttons and is 1000% better than the byd atto I had. Also pretty reasonably priced now in nz.
It seems the 'legacy' automakers are making a bit of a mess of evs. It seems there is a lot more to making these things than was originally apparent.
VW - Majority Family owned business 3rd gen - Always doomed business model... Grandfather starts it, Father grows it, grand children sponge from it...
Exactly! 3rd Gen, end of story.
Look at Toyota
I am driving and owning since more than 6 years electrical cars and have tested MEB platform cars and also lately Chinese, just to compare. I have to say the SW of VW isn´t that bad at all anymore and the efficiency and ride quality is quite good and this matters the most. With the Chinese cars I have driven the SW was quiet annoying - beeping at every occasion, the lane/cruise control wasn´t good nor the efficiency. The major showstopper on the MEB cars is the missing frunk. The rest is solid as the major things are good driving, good efficiency and not thousand of SW options which are mainly less professional as the human - at least as of now!
The German auto unions have shot themselves in the foot. Trying to save jobs by retaining production of ICE vehicles condemns VW to a bit part role in the world vehicle market. Factories will close as VW loses market share and tens of thousands of union jobs will be lost. I am reminded of the UK coal industry, destroyed almost single-handedly by the leader of the National Union of Mineworkers (Arthur Scargill). Rather than accept that coal was very polluting and on its way out and negotiate an extended drawdown with good worker compensation, he chose to organise strikes and combat the closures. In short order he permanently destroyed demand for UK coal (it was even cheaper to import it all the way from Australia). There are currently only two large coal mines in the UK - down from over thirty. It is believed by many that Scargill was working on instruction from the Soviet Union. I don't think German Unions are working for anyone but their workers, but they are failing them in that they do not see the real world as it is but rather than through the rose tinted spectacles of permanent production of ICE vehicles. In short, blinkered Luddites.
The unions have nothing to do with it. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and you can't turn one of the most encrusted, bureaucratic organisations in the German automotive industry into a software company. The sole reason for founding Cariad was to establish a fast acting organization out of the usual managerial nightmare that is Volkswagen. Unfortunately, they chose Volkswagen managers to fill the ranks at Cariad. The result is obvious. Stop your senseless union bashing and take a look at the facts for once!
ICE vehicles are not going anywhere.
@@BACA01😂😂
blah blah blah, omg, why don't you expect them to want to save their jobs? They don't control the company and can dictate to produce ICE or EV.
@@BACA01 once gas stations start getting rarer, your statement will be 100% correct
I bought a brand new 1977 VW Champagne edition Rabbit. Fun, fun, pretty car with an incredibly bad electrical system which was unpredictable and ultimately dangerous. I would never buy another VW and not surprised they are still struggling with issues that everyone has figured out.
I remember the tagline, "Volkswagen does it again!" I always answered, "Not to me you won't."
Some users in Hong Kong are actually reporting issues with their electric drive units if it is estimated that it might be either the software or the actual Hardware itself but a lot of users are getting a bunch of warning messages including 12-volt system
My 2yo Atto3 goes like clockwork. Hasn't missed a beat. Range still seems as original. So far it has had seven OTA updates making little improvements here and there.
Great vehicle, love it.
Yeah you got a good EV all right. Going to be years of happy driving
Those reasons for not delivering a perfect Ev from VW is a mountain of bull…. They’re pig headed. They don’t want Ev.
@electricviking What about their EV microbus? I heard it will be available in the US next year.
Is it worth buying a ID4 2024?
Volkswagen are generations behind. 9 of my friends that are Volkswagen owners have sold their car and bought Ev. And swore never to buy VW again
9? Sounds a bit of exaggeration...the software problem is with their EVs...you said they sold their non EV cars...so?
@user-th7wx8gy1m haha you stumped him...think before you write fiction
@@LaerKanan Much of the Software is shared with petrol version cars
Didn’t VW also partner with Rivian to get software? My Rivian software is amazing
VW worked with Rivian to install Rivian’s OS on an electric Audi. Rivian managed to install some of its software on the Audi. The results were favorable. I have no idea what the results were but VW seems very interested and is investing at least 1 Billion US dollars to bring the Rivian OS to BWs vehicles. Personally, I’d pay for to upgrade my 2021 I’d.4 if the price was affordable and if it was a significant value upgrade too.
Can Xpeng save VW from collapse? Worried as XPEG investor.
Sam how will VWs function with Rivian’s software when Rivian builds in house and VW buys parts from suppliers? Or will VW re-skin the Rivian R2 / R3 ?
I have owned or been driven in three volkswagen vehicles. I grew up in a '73 Beetle. I owned a '00 Jetta TDI, my wife owned a '98 Passat. I looked forward to the id.4 (and the upcoming id.buzz) yet found them lacking. I is unfortunate. Watching Alex on e for Electric deal with his id.4 was frustrating.
"What a bunch of muppets". Thanks Sam, I love it.
Glad you enjoyed it
Anything good or bad from Rivian's perspective?
I have a Skoda Enyaq built on the same platform. Great car, proper buttons. Software works.
I would NEVER use adaptive cruise control. I've personally seen too many instances of cars not knowing what the speed limit is, either because of GPS errors or because their speed limit database contains errors.
ah? do you actually know what adaptive cruise control is? Do you know how it works? Your post ....... leaves me speechless.
Adaptive cruise control is quite different from autonomous driving
If only Blackberry would have ventured in EV software, it would be delivered with less glitches and super secure while keeping the IP in the western hemisphere. Think about a missed opportunity.
That still doesn’t solve the outsourcing issue, each sub system having its own software the automaker doesn’t own is the problem.
@@frankcoffey automakers rely on suppliers to most of their components. Software is just another one. Unless all OEMs follow the vertical integration promoted by Tesla. If you follow the automotive industry , this is how it was till mid-70’s and outsourcing was highly promoted in the 90’s. The key is to identify the right partnership while sharing the liabilities.
@@NanoSchaap Outsourcing was fine when those parts didn't have chips and software. It's different now, everything has a data link and automakers need to own and control that or it takes too long to fix or change stuff.
If I ever going to buy any electrical car is going to be lucid. hopefully they gonna drop smaller model.
VW please fix Electrify America!
Hold on guise, they are making new solid state batteries using Quantumscape's licensed technology.
They will be okay guise
Guise?
golden parachutes ALWAYS deploy
No one seems to mention it but what is the repair cost of a tesla to a vw. Tesla is built to crumple so I assume the speed differential between id4 and model y is significant and so too should be the repair cost
Yes it does have a crumple zone. By and large it is impossible to pass safety regs without it.
Is the ID.4 and ID.5 still expected in Australia end of 2024? Does anybody know the facts, not speculation?
Didn't VW recently hire Rivian to do their software?
I find it odd that the USA big 3 say there’s no market for EVs but are fighting to keep byd EVs out of USA
UAW demanding protection.
Let the Chinese cars come here by the millions.
Tesla is ALWAYS behind schedule, often by years! Don't pretend they're not.
As a German I'm not surprised. Software related podcasts were talking for many years about the low quality of software coming from German companies. Even when devices were otherwise still good, the software was horrible. These companies never put in efforts to think about how good software is being made. The educational system also never adapted to the rise of software engineering. Only some people are getting filtered into university classes where they learn Java.
Pity I lave enjoyed VW for 30 years probably 15 new cars , but the love affair is over, now love my Ioniq 5, RIP VW
The biggest problem in the global automotive industry is trying to actually make a profit. Many companies trade their way into the coming financial year with all the standard business costs, labour costs, labour pensions . The aim is to make a profit, but most companies are there to not lose a whole pile of money. Some highly expected models don’t do well where as others with lower expectations do well. This is the most important thing ; that some models sell.
How are the non EV vw's this last decade? Back in the 80's my mum had a polo and that was solid for about 15 years.
My EV is a first gen nissan and it has been great, best most reliable car I've owned. Short range, but enough for us as a daily driver. Super cheap to run also. Funny how the manufacturer really, really matters with EV it seems?
5:30 love it
Beijing star airport took just 5 year from start to finish , the german airport took 20+ year 🤣🤣
I have an ID4 and it’s a great car! Yes, software has been an issue but the car has never given me any problems during the past 3 years.
At least it won't have rotted away in another 3 yrs like all the Chinese crap !
@@jasoneldridge4738please... VW are known for one of the worst paint quality the last 20 years.
I am from salty Denmark with experience with these vw cars.
Remember golf mk4 Rotting away, hatches, fenders and so on.
Now what about golf mk5, where doors rust by just looking at them.
Passat B6/b7 rotting away too. Any micro stone hitting paint and its gone.
Welds at hatch rusting. Doors rust.
Only things that dont rust in b7 passat is fenders and bottom floor.
Bonnet, roof is trash.
Vw's 12 years rust warranty is useless as its only applicable if rust is from INSIDE to outside.
But it always rusts from outside... So only 2 years warranty in reality.
How can it get worse than that?
Tell me more how VW holds up in rust belt areas, compares to other even cheaper brands.
Sad. I love my Cupra Born despite its overengineering and non-existent connectivity, but VW really has to get its act together. 2031 for a new EV platform? Note that the MG4, which is an ID.3 equivalent (I'm tempted to say copy) is 150kg lighter right now.
In Ireland ev sales are going down with almost no private buyers just companies buying for tax reasons. New cars sales are petrol, diesel and hybrid. Most people waiting for something better than evs.
break out the relish, soon it will time to eat your words.
Thing is, 70% of new car sales in the UK are company. Not sure if that’s the same in Ireland but it’s going up and up here. Hybrids are the biggest winners, EV’s still going up. Petrol/diesel are tanking (pun intended).
Uh huh.
Hybrids are half-hearted ev’s.
@@mavelous1763Hybrids lead to EVs eventually. That’s probably good for suppliers in the interim as they get a little more time to learn to improve the EV aspects.
@@temujinkuechle6287 Agreed.
The funny thing? The anti-ev trolls who were anti-hybrid five years ago now are pro-hybrid, because they need something……..
hey . theres a new for local chinese market VW unique . u should check it out ... looks like a smaller model3..
R. I. P. Volkswagen....
I must say that in EV era, only German luxurious brands, like BMW can survive because once they sell their car with 200k apiece, it should not be a problem to increase to 250k apiece. Thanks to brand recognition. But Volkswagen and the likes won't have a future because their market share will be consumed by Chinese cars.
This means porsche will be having same issues. And audi as well
You’re missing the e-forest for the e-trees. VERY is delaying production and release of its EVs b/c they’ve figured out the market doesn’t exist for more EVs. Plain and simple
Isn’t it strange?
VW hired both lead engineers who lead the development of the BMW i3.
The layout of VW ID3 is identical to BMW i3.
Only… my BMW i3 never had any software (or other) problems.
Also my BMW i3 weighs 1245 kg all in!
Bring back the BMW i3 please.
Btw, to your comment at the end of the video, in the news today, byd is talking to the Canadian government about bringing their cars here. Preliminary talks for due, but it’s happening. Byd already has a truck assembly plant in Canada
You will regret that. Mine rusted in 18 months in nz.
Sam you keep talking about unions slowing down ev transitions. What about the shareholders who prevent investment in ev technologies so that they cake continue to profit from ICE platform returns? It’s not just the union determining how VW invests.
VW BOUGHT A CHINESE SOFTWARE COMPANY FOR 1, 4 BILLION USA DOLLARS. GAMEOVER VW.
An shambles? What?
Not to mention how stale the ID.4 is contributing to those poor sales. It’s not a competitive car.
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ahahhah ahahahah 🤣😂 man I expected it to be bad but the ID.4 takes the cake the battery is 27'000USD a cost that in case you didn't know is immediate and instant depreciation when you sign the contract for a new ID.4 because dealerships consider the battery a consumable, you buy the car the battery is worthless for them, unsellable, in my country it means the instant you buy one you lose 65% of the price with 0day 0distance driven
Cheaper than a lot of Chinese in nz at the moment. Best ev I have bought and had leaf, byd atto which was utter crap
How can VW compete with BYD. BYD has government subsidies on every car it exports. BYD has access to enforced labour , child labour, and electricity from cheap coal fired power stations. How could Germany allow year on year emissions to be increasing due to aggressive manufacturing? Governments in the West have to do what the people want, China has one voice & he does not have to care what anyone else thinks.
Truth 💪🏻
Tesla is not a car company. How long has Model 2 been coming. Is it going to happen?
On a role today. More so than other days!
Thanx for the laugh 😃
Sam, you will remember China putting tariffs on Australian goods. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Thought VW were getting their software now from Xpeng????
Legacy auto manufacturers are still assemblers of product from a myriad of suppliers. Trying to compete with vertically integrated scaled EV manufacturers already with working EV software platforms. Afraid to compete and canabalize their ICE sales. Afraid to scale to profitability.
EVs are doomed, for all brands. People até finding out that they ate sh.t.
6:35 absolute muppet for sure
Just as well that Tesla is not bothering to take advantage, and giving up on the demanding work involved in keeping on keeping on.
Xpeng using the software of Tesla, VW using the software of Xpeng.
This made me laugh. Very entertaining. VW are a joke
Once VW joint venture (actually outsource) all the design and tech they stop being a car maker and become an investment manager. That's very risky.
This is typical legacy firms they run on project managers, accountant who cannot think outside a process and keep adding buffers after buffers in a planninb. Thats is why i can imagine their deadline expand to 2030. I have seen that in companies that cannot dare to queatuon themselves
Thumnail:- VW is an utter shambles. Me:- What has changed in the last 15 years?
Finally the CEO had to do something other than screwing over the workers and he found himself out of his depth.
Canada gave VW $16 billion in subsidizes to ev for battery production. I have predicted a boondoggle. Perhaps now unfolding.
too many menus spoil the broth
What is broth? Is it a typo or have I missade something?
If you are talking about the infotainment system then I just tested an ID7 overnight and that infotainment was kick ass! Best I have ever used really. Maybe you did not test their newest version which has been re-designed quite a lot if I am not mistaken
Very clever. Haven't heard that one before!
@@mackan7086 … broth is a scottish soup…
I drive a cupra born at the moment. Nice built quality…but software is crap! Like a cheap OS for chinese smartphones 10 years ago.
It’s really too bad because the ID4 is a beautiful car, on the outside.
It also rides the nicest out of any EV I have driven (Tesla, Volvo, Polestar, Hyundai, Ford). The 2023 AWD at 5.8 0-60 is perfectly sprite enough to get you away from situations. I plan to drive ours for the next 8-10 years.
In 2016 when I got my Model 3 there were very few choices.
Skoda has all worked out its the same conglomerate why are they are not using the same..
I think some manufacturers shouldn't be in the EV business at this point.
VW needs to address with the successor to the ID4
This feels like the period when VW had been making the Beetle for too long…
I have an id4 and would not buy another.. software is a massive disappointment.
At LEAST VW has BROUGHT out new MODELS UPDATING the MODEL 3 and Y IS NOT A NEW MODEL its a UPDATE WHERE ARE TESLAS NEW MODELS ?
How’s the caps lock?
Come back Herbert Diess all is forgiven
Is this a Rambling Sam episode?
For some bizarre reason, VW decided that the development of EVs needed to occur with the development of some futuristic complex software. Presumably because they thought EVs were really futuristic so they needed some futuristic software to go with it.
What complex software did the 1909 Baker Electric Car have?
None.
VW have lost the plot.
Well, I think it is more complex. Legacy auto farmed out the software in ICE cars and had minimal in-house talent or experience creating software and system architectures. Drag in a bunch of random software coders run by finance with an inadequate budget, and you'll get an absolute mess. Not at all surprising to me.
@@tesla_tap Not the point I was making, but anyway. Yes, I agree outsourcing sucks, look at Boeing then compare to Tesla and BYD. Agreed.
My point is that EVs are not complex. Otherwise how were they 1/3rd of all cars on the road in the early 1900s, well before a computer was even invented.
I think legacy automakers, especially in the United States are dragging their heels with EV development in hopes the government will just give up and let them keep making ICE vehicles.
Tesla has had a decade and a half to perfect EVs, VW under 5 years, partially because they were slow to adopt. But they really should be able to use German made software, this constant outsourcing to China is a major failure and weakness. The ID4 is actually a gorgeous vehicle, way nicer than the boring stale model Y, with fantastic range options too, so it’s not all bad!
Could VW be the bad bank for their various car brand holdings? Seems clear.
Their argument for tarrifs in Europe and USA against Chinese EVs is that Chinese gov subsidised them. Which I think is true. But USA has bailed out US car companies so you could argue they have been subsidised too. I’m not sure regard Europe’s if they have done the same. And I’m not sure how much each country has done in equivalent money. China has subsidised key parts of the supply chain like batteries. It was smart. They were starting to dominate and reap the rewards.
They will still dominate even with the tariffs, because they are that good. The tariffs may go even higher. They are also building factories overseas to get around the rules but EU and USA might change the rules and so a rug pull on them.
Kind of sad that the capitalist, free market, liaise la fair countries are going to tariffs and protectionism etc agains the “evil” communist country. It’s the opposite of what they espouse.
The CHINESE EV's are coming via legacy badged. It will be hard to stop the Chinese at this stage of the game with legacy being complete idiots