@@paulmadeja8550 The Captain just wanted some pussy from the flight attendant. So he left the cockpit and entered the cabin in order to "work" on the F/A. I hang with a crowd who is, (to put it mildly and succinctly) not all that concerned about feminist's problems. To put it mildly. So in order to offend these kids? We like to label them sll as conniving, money grubbing hoes.
@@TaylorABell it's not dumb when something superstitious is happening you saw the girl in the simulator reenacting the part when they were falling out of the sky it was rapidly shaking but yet the pilot didn't know what was happening when he and the other poeple on board should have felt it
@@YouDingo88 when you get that many warnings, yes...you might want to pay attention to it. They were used to having the plane fly itself. Older more experienced pilots saved the plane in simulator reconstructions of the accident, the less experienced did not.
Terry K wrong ! The drop was so fast followed by intense loud noise of the A330 nobody could sleep with that loud noise and they knew something was wrong just like the flight attendants who called the cockpit few times during the drop because she too felt something is wrong
The BEA guy being interviewed is so clearly trying to cover for the crew’s incompetence and lack of professionalism - and failing miserably. It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. Utterly appalling that he should be trying to put “image” before public safety.
@Klaa2: he says I don't know, I'm sorry, and he laughs nervously because he either lacks word to explain or he tries to cover the investigators's negligence.
The black box recordings of AF447 need to be released in full with no editting. That would end the speculation about the pilots competence or incompetence when you hear what they were trying to do to save the plane.
It's clear from what the pilot's were doing that they f'd up a basic tenant of flying. They had so much time to recover control of that plane. Such an unnecessary tragedy at the hands of these pilots.
Wade Higgins Yes it’s shocking! I have studied this crash for awhile and it’s a clear case of pilot error! My heart goes out to the people killed & their families who paid the ultimate price for the pilots incompetence/folly!
Sadly, the only knowledge really needed to survive this crash should have been learned in about the first ten hours of flight training for private pilot certification.
Pilots aren't trained like they used to be. Sometimes they're even switched from one aircraft model to another without any briefing on the difference between the two.
@@LisaMaryification I've seen your other comment that was also full off bullshit, pilot's that change from one plane to another e.g a330 to a350 need a new type rating for that aircraft, the only time it isn't needed is if you're moving from lets say an 737-800 to a 737-900
@@yeh.80 However, even commercial pilots have been warning about this for years. As more and more automation has entered the cockpit, actual manual flying skills of the pilots gets degraded. This accident was a combination of humungous pilot error as well as automation in the cockpit. Since the control sticks are not linked, the pilot monitoring had no idea the pilot flying had pitched nose up. Had they been linked, this would have been a nothing issue. The breakdown in crew resource management by every single member of the flight crew was inexcusable though. Edit: What I meant about crew management was how the Captain did not try to avoid the storms, then decided that the time to go on his crew rest break was while they were punching through. Then the First Officer, for not taking the role of pilot flying when the autopilot quit and for not saying, "My aircraft" when he finally did decide to take over. Lastly, the Second Officer for failing to tell anybody that he was pulling back on the stick until they were at like 10,000 feet.
To be fair... the auto pilot was flying the plane through the storm it wasn’t until the tubes failed it became a problem... all Bonin had to do was basically hold the plane level... not yank on the stick or anything just do your basic job...
@@pulanjuri1 well if they didn't touch anything when the autopilot shut off and just kept the plane flying they wouldn't have caused the stall in the first place
Only the Second Officer (Bonin) was erroneous in his actions. The first Officer made no errors. Due to the layout/design (ergonomics) of the flight deck he had no idea that the S/O was making such a fundamental blunder! On a Boeing, or other types with a yoke vs a sidestick, the F/O would have been aware immediately that the S/O was pulling the nose up when he ought to have pitched down. Also with a yoke it is extremely clear if your input is executing a command. Sidestick technology is a great deal less clear that your input is actually being accepted and executed. It is a deeply flawed design.
Because of this senseless accident, we practice deep stall recovery every six months in the simulator. It is quite amazing how much altitude you have to give up to get the wings back flying, but it can be done.
@B757767Driver Interesting & yes your training has been improved because of this accident. IYO @what height do you think this plane/situation would have been recoverable?
I feel like Bonin was scared of the captain or something, didn't want to say what he had done with the moving of the nose up. He should have said the auto pilot failed so I put the nose up, then the pilot may have been like, okay, we need to put the nose back down. In that situation, Bonin needs to swallow his pride and just say what he did or else, you know what happened, happens, then he needs to get off that seat and let the captain take over.
I don't agree there. For some unexplainable reason, Bonin didn't seem to know that pulling the nose up was a bad thing. He eventually does tell everyone that he's been pulling the nose up the whole time and even after they realize what is happening and try to put the nose down, he still pulled the stick back at the last moment.
cambed71 Yes, exactly. When Bonin tells everyone that he's been pulling the nose up the whole time, Captain DuBois and co-pilot Robert realize what has been happening and take the controls. They drop the nose, but at that point, it's too late anyway. Robert declares that they're going to crash and without telling anyone, Bonin pulls the stick back again to pull the nose back up. Again, it was inconsequential at that point, but I don't think it was a pride or fear thing. Bonin simply didn't understand what was going on.
cambed71 it seems he had a natural instinct, to pull up the plane thinking it would recover the stall.... I’m a glider pilot and have flown in cloud a few times without an issue as I know if I let go of the controls the plane fill fly itself. The k8 is twisted and will circle itself down but will never stall, out the first issue, was the confusion and lack of communication, not just 1 factor brought down the plane to its final fate, the thunder storm, funny smells in the cockpit, pilot confusion, and the a330 design of not both side sticks moving in co ordination..... it happened we have to live and learn, unfortunately at the loss of human lives.
Uh why would a certified pilot leave the cockpit when the other pilots clearly doesnt know what to do in a stall situation, its a disaster waiting to happend..
What happened was the co-pilots were attempting to fly two separate directions which cancel out. In the end, its lack of communication that caused the accident.
In the end it was falling 10-15000 feet per minute, and the aeorodynamic noise would be deafening. I bet there were lots of screaming passengers by then: (
What would that aerodynamic noise have sounded like? I'm assuming some sort of rushing wind, but wondering if there's something similar to compare it to, or if you could describe it more specifically.
@@The_Tau_Beta It could NOT glide. If that was the case, the aircraft wouldn't have crashed in the Atlantic ocean. When an aircraft gives you a STALL-warning for 54(!!!) seconds, there isn't much gliding going on. It means you are literally FALLING from the sky
Even a student pilot knows you have to push the nose down to break a stall. The blaring stall warning coupled with decreasing airspeed and altitude combined with so many FPM DOWN on the VSI is clear indication the airplane was stalled.
Air speed wasn't reliable due to the pitot freezing (caused the ap to disconnect). I believe when the pitots started working again, the plane stall warning only sounded when they were approaching stall speed; when they were well below that the plane disregarded the data as false. I agree 100% the pilots were incompetent.
Shame this lovely state of the art aircraft they just crashed into the sea and all the poor families of the 200 plus stupid pilot's couldn't fly the plane without a computer , they need to be properly trained ,bringing the nose up in a stall is looking for trouble.!!
not only did the co-pilot bring the nose up during a stall, he kept it there the entire time until the crash. The plane's independent joystick controls prevented the more experienced co-pilot to correct the stall. The Captain is also largely to blame. Looks like he was having a quickie, leaving the cockpit in the hands of a novice and the jetliner heading into a severe storm
Case 7240 - Every pilot is trained to respond to a stall by bringing the nose down. Even people who are not trained pilots, but who are interested in aviation, know that. That’s what is so mystifying about this crash. The least experienced pilot was flying and he seemed not to know anything.
Aircraft fly into all kinds of weather conditions, the aircraft are generally very robust and aerodynamically sound so there is no need for the Captain to remain when his allocated rest is due. He ought to have had every confidence his First Officer was competent to handle it. This is normal standard operating procedure in any longhaul international airline. Had there have been an event arising such as warning alerts, system failure or computer errors being apparent he would not have left his station. He left with the aircraft flying normally into expected weather. He did NOTHING wrong.
Crazy but true. Captain Dubois was going through a divorce at the time. Besides heavily drinking, he was banging his new chick Veronique, a flight attendant who was on board that night but not on duty (except for polishing his door knob). About an hour before the crash, this piece of shit admitted sleeping only ONE HOUR the previous night, and BEA cover up team tried to hide this crucial VCR info as "irrelevant and private". Concerning Bonin, his behaviour is so absurd that I wonder if he wouldn't be a cousin of Andreas Lubitz from Germany...
No one should be in that cockpit who can't fly a plane in all situations. Irrespective of whether the captain was there or not, the co pilots should be trained to such a level that it doesn't matter.
i dont agree. The capitain should have avoided to go inside the storm, first of all, and not give command of the plane to the most unexperienced of the 2 and let him do all he did till the fall. He didnt understand the stall alarm like the other 2 unexperienced boys. What a mess in that cockpit!!! He was in charge and didnt do anything to avoid the disaster
@@micheladerry5681 The captain did nothing wrong. The fault goes to the first officers. First officers can fly a plane just as well as a captain, they just don't have as much experience with the airline. Even a private pilot would know how to recover from a stall. I have no idea why the hell Bonin didn't know the basic fucking thing about flying.
The captain should have never left to take a rest knowing they were heading into a storm, the co-pilot had no damn idea what the hell he was doing, he killed everyone on board.
I was traveling with my husband and 2 year old son in 1991. At the time I didn't know about the disturbance in the Atlantic ocean. It was aka the perfect storm. The captain forewarned us about the turbulence because a plane ahead advised the situation. We were 5 hours into the flight, right smack in the middle of the ocean. {Germany to New York} After a few minutes in the turbulence, the plane had dropped 400 ft.. I thought we were doomed when I no longer heard the noise of the engines. Not sure why that happened but I'm sure thankful of the pilots that managed to keep us in the air and the crew who made us all feel safe afterwards.I haven't flown since and never will again.
I understand your fear. I used to fly often when I was younger, but then I noticed that big passenger aircraft started falling out of the sky, especially in the late 80s- early 90s. I wondered how could this possibly happen??? I wondered about how good was the maintenance, pilot experience etc... I believe that the aviation industry covers up a lot and I don't believe that flying is as safe that they would have you believe. I understand that we will all die one day but I can't imagine the terror of falling out of the sky with such speed and crashing into the ocean in the dark of night....I just couldn't imagine and I have not ever set foot on an airplane since 1991.
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS MAINTAIN A LIVEL FLIGHT AND INCREASE ENGINE THRUST TO PREVENT STALLLING. MAYBE JUST RAISE HE NOSE BY 1 DEGREE TO MAKE SURE THEY DONT LOSE ALTITUDE OR REGAIN ALTITUDE.
@@0601ac I understood that after an odd minute or 2 the pitot tubes defrosted and computers came on line again so really all they had to do was nothing.
"But that was not personal..." "Well...pfff... may-maybe, uh... err hehehe..." Not the response you want to hear when you ask the head of the French flight investigation division why the complete and utter confusion of the pilots caused a plane with hundreds of souls onboard to crash.
@@cee_el no he mainly did because he failed to control the plane once the autopilot disconnected which caused the crash (every qualified pilot knows how to fly a plane manually) . Also he did nothing when the stall warning sounded and it sounded for about a minute. That's plenty of time to react and control the aircraft from stalling with all flight systems working.
@@cee_el but we don't know what acc happened because no one knows 100% why the aircraft couldn't be recovered from the stall. They're could of been a major failure that caused it.
D a n i e l O But isn’t that the reason why a pilot is in charge though? Because there are situations where a co-pilot or 3rd officer haven’t experienced. Plus based on the actions of this pilot, it seemed like he wasn’t even sure himself
@@cee_el they're always needs to be 2 Min. Pilots in a cockpit that know how to fly. The pilot had no idea what was going on and the co pilots had plenty of time to get out of the stall. All they needed to do was to level the plane and add max thrust and they would've been fine. Even a student pilot would know what to do.
Bonin, the entire time, had the nose up. The other pilot tried to take control, but because Bonin was still pulling the nose up, the actions canceled each other out. When the other pilot said "I have control", Bonin should have let go of the control stick, but he didn't. Bonin doesn't mention that he's still holding the stick back until almost at the very end. Some investigations have shown that the pitot tubes were only frozen for a few seconds, and that Bonin was getting correct info at the time. Bonin is the main reason for the crash. Other investigators have agreed that the crash could have been avoided and the plane could have been saved if Bonin had let go of the control stick when the other pilot took over. But he never says he still has the stick until it's too late. One of the first things pilots learn is stall recovery. The plane is stalling, and Bonin has the nose up, which is the worst thing you can do. But, it's Bonin that brought the plane down. The rest of the crew weren't thinking to ask Bonin if he had the stick back, probably because they couldn't imagine he would have been so ridiculous to keep the stick back and nose up during a stall. And Bonin never thought he should share the information until the plane was unrecoverable.
The most annoying part was he held the nose up the whole damn time....Idk why the captain didn't realize that. The incompu still held the nose up when they were tryna recover 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
She refers to the F/O as "Captain" Bonin, he wasn't a captain nor was he in charge. He was the most inexperienced of the three pilots on board. This is how reporting gets a story wrong, because now a listener hears "Captain" and it should mean that he should have known better, when in fact he was not very skilled at flying this aircraft and the 'real" captain, Marc Dubios, was in charge and should have been flying it. Get it right, ABC!!
If the pilot is “ traveling socially” during the specific amount of time that’s crucial to act after the auto pilot turns off, and the plane starts to stall as a result, how does that tiny little French man NOT think that it is/ contributed to the cause of the accident? The dance that goes on between the airline and the manufacturer when trying to asses liability after a crash is SCARY dude... 😳😳😳
How could such an experienced pilot not feel the nose lift while he was in the bathroom...how would he not feel the plane moving in the wrong way and ‘stalling’ and then run out of the bathroom back to the cockpit?
3:04: The Captain was banging a stewardess! That was news to me, hadn't heard that fact in earlier reports. So the only competent adult/horndog, had left the cockpit. The team of 2 less capable idiots was in charge. Nice! Let's pull the stick back, do some high angle off attack stunts. Stall warning? What stall warning?? What is a stall anyway??? Naah, I'll just keep pushing back on the stick! All the way down, until the aircraft pancaked the ocean. A competent captain like Sullenberger would have saved the situation well before they even got into a stall. And had they got into a stall he knows what to do to recover from a stall, since he knows basic pilot training. The basics that every commercial pilot must know. Air France? Obviously not so much. The AF 447 crash was due to incompetence. Poor training. Ignorance. I blame the French. And I partly blame the captain. Had he been good with just a BJ he should have had time to cage the dumbstick, pull up his pants and return to cockpit much faster than the 1 min it took him. He could have saved them. Rosanne Barr blames Ambien. Trump blames everyone but himself. BAE blames Airbus. And Romain Grosjean blames Ericsson...
Yeah, quite a surprise the pilot left the cockpit more than a minute, only to travel to visit the off duty flight attendant. If this was the reality, what an instant karma for that pilot.. short lasted pleasure was paid off with unnecessary accident.. I like that a lot, Romain blamed Ericsson, and now he also blamed Kevin Magnussen after Canada's quali.. Keeevvvvvv.. haha
To think of the fear that the passengers must have felt, dark of the night over the Atlantic Ocean and pilot negligence, I fly transatlantic many times due to work and I often think of them, we often take for granted that we will always make it to our destination, rest in peace to all the victims of flight 447, gone but never forgotten
Such irresponsibility by the captain! Your in the middle of the storm and you leave the cockpit while the least experienced person is flying the plane? And by the time the plane started falling do you even have to be in the cockpit to know something is wrong? Argh disgraceful!
Airbus knew that the pitot tunes were faulty. There had been quite a few documented other occurances of failing A330 pitot tubes. Coupled with bad pilot training, this accident was completely avoidable.
NickAss Jonny Are you stupid that you would put the nose of plane down. ..idiot When you hear that stall sound you want to get that plane up in the sky as fast as possible. ..I would be pulling that stick towards me with every ounce of energy to get that plane up...and you fool would push it down towards the sea....fucking idiot.
@@robertosalazar6867 please, oh holy spirit with all of Gods blessed grace...please tell me your joking. This level of ineptitude isnt actually possible right? Like we dont have the splycer genome editor set up with that setting do we?
I've never flown a plane, but I've played enough GTA V to know a stall means your plane is not doing the right thing. Incredible how they just ignored that for a minute.
yeah, now choice cockpit view, turn up the weather volume to max. will leaving the warning sounds on medium and then fly during the night time over a body of water in the clouds with your instruments covered up (to simulate unrealable readings).
absolutely pilot error by the inexperienced First Officer in the Right seat. He held the stick full aft for the entire descent. Sure there was a mechanical failure involved but the aircraft was flyable.
1:09 - funny how the lady ominously declares the "autopilot switching off" while on screen we see an Airbus configured for landing, still on autopilot in approach mode, with standard arrival set on the MFD, and the ominously blinking green light is the "sidestick priority" button confirming that the F/O has controls.
2:16 it is the most baffling and disastrous minute of the flight? I think the most disastrous minute of the flight was when it crashed into the ocean but I could be wrong.
What was not said in here was that the outside sensors of the plane froze in the storm and they were getting contradicting information from the computer, hence why the autopilot disconnected. The pilot made the mistake of pulling the nose up thinking they were actually descending due to erroneous readings. When the plane stalled and got lower and the ice on the sensor melted, correct readings were now available, but it was too late.
The junior pilot was pushing up on his stick the whole time, the other copilot did not know this until it was too late. Some say a critical design of this plane. A total breakdown of cockpit awareness. Total pilot error crashed this plane. I could not imagine the horror on board in the final minutes.
Even as just someone who's played hundreds and hundreds of hours of flight sim, I understand that pulling up in a stall is making a bad situation worse. Nose down, regain lift, level out. Really sad how preventable this was. Rip to all those passengers
At night in a storm, over open water, why can't PFD's display IFR related instruments more predominantly than those used under VFR conditions, so rookie pilots can get a clearer picture of what's going on when the veteran pilot decides it's time for his nappy nap?
If this plane had a traditional yoke, the other pilot would've known immediately what Bonin was doing wrong. Yet Airbus to this day sticks with the side-controllers. Even placing them on the inside might've prevented this. It happened yet again to AirAsia. Same scenario. Boeing is catching hell for its design flaw, but this Airbus "feature" will kill people again.
Seriously, what the hell is the reason Airbus has the sticks like that? Why not have them on the inside? Or each one on the right or left? Any closer together than being on opposite-ass sides of the cockpit.
@@vulc1 Right, but I would think a control such as the sticks would be more pertinent for each pilot to have both in sight at once in order to coordinate or at least be aware of situations where pilots are performing opposite or conflicting controls.
The sidestick is a non issue for competent and coordinated crews you don't hear of fighter pilots smashing in to the ground because their sidesticks prevented them from basic stall recovery
In my opinion the alpha pilot should never take a break when In flight. A flight is only a few hours, every pilot should be more than well rested before they fly a plane.
mistake no.1 since my primary training..Pitot Heat is applied...first and foremost anytime icing becomes a possibility...those pilots ,regardless of their ages and experience, should have prepped the airplane for icing conditions at that altitude when entering rain. including pitot heat and wing anti-ice.
Just like the Titanic, where if they had done nothing at all the disaster probably would have been avoided. The Titanic was built to withstand a head on crash like would have happened if they hadn't seen the iceberg, but the scraping down the side is what sealed its fate. With Flight 447 if the copilot had just not done anything, rather than pulling back on the control stick, the flight would have came through the storm and the pitots would have thawed and autopilot re-engaged. I just can't imagine the fear of just not knowing what was happening, because it was so dark out they didn't even know they were falling but the noise was deafening. Then at the very end the pilots knew they were about to die. It's intense
Recovering from a stall is flying 101. A beginner pilot learns how. Once recovered, placing the throttles @ 80% and a nose up of 5 degrees, even without airspeed indications, will place you in level flight. Secondly, I am sure the GPS was functioning which gives you ground speed (and altitude), from which you can deduce your air speed.
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“As the stall gets worse, the plane gets harder to fly.” That’s because, technically speaking, it is no longer flying!
IKR THEESE IDIOTRS.
@@paulmadeja8550
The Captain just wanted some pussy from the flight attendant. So he left the cockpit and entered the cabin in order to "work" on the F/A.
I hang with a crowd who is, (to put it mildly and succinctly) not all that concerned about feminist's problems. To put it mildly. So in order to offend these kids?
We like to label them sll as conniving, money grubbing hoes.
@@jorgecallico9177 :clap:
so , let's shut the engines of and deploy parachutes to slow down the plane , once it splashes down , activate inflatable floating devices
If the planes flying straight and level .ignore any stall warnings
I'm no pilot but I think the stall alert means that the plane is stalling. Just a wild guess.
A stall is when the aircraft literally stops flying and falls out of the air due to 1. Low speed 2. Angle of attack too high 3. Bank angle too high
It is possible to recover from one, these guys were just not trained, or just plain stupid.
Naw never knew
Well the warning says stall
project big head- Really? I must be illiterate then.
Plane : hey dude the planes failing
Pilots : what’s a plane
Fireflies TM 😂😂😂😂
truly the MOST USELESS CRASH EVER
EXACTLY
Yeah, the copilots sounded dumb as hell.
@@TaylorABell it's not dumb when something superstitious is happening you saw the girl in the simulator reenacting the part when they were falling out of the sky it was rapidly shaking but yet the pilot didn't know what was happening when he and the other poeple on board should have felt it
That BEA guy is suspicious as hell
What do you mean?
What's a "BEA guy"? Never heard that expression.
@@tessarix He works for BEA the French air accident investigation agency.
I agree!
I don’t think he’s suspicious. Just French af
Total pilot error. Ignored almost what, 70 stall alerts?
Do you unquestioningly accept a warning? You'd have probably pulled a KQ431 in all your wisdom.
@@YouDingo88 when you get that many warnings, yes...you might want to pay attention to it. They were used to having the plane fly itself. Older more experienced pilots saved the plane in simulator reconstructions of the accident, the less experienced did not.
Yeah holy fucking shit
@@YouDingo88 not only should you trust your instruments you would be able to feel that stall.
@@YouDingo88 More than 70 stall alerts, and you keep pitching the nose up till the end?
I could not even imagine the immense fear those passengers were feeling as the plane plummeted to the ocean. May they all rest in peace
They probably didn't know until impact.
Svein Hanssen they definitely knew as they were falling thousands of feet in a very short period of time
It’s like when u go to California Adventure and rides on the old Twilight Zone Attraction, the elevators goes up and down rapidly
Terry K wrong ! The drop was so fast followed by intense loud noise of the A330 nobody could sleep with that loud noise and they knew something was wrong just like the flight attendants who called the cockpit few times during the drop because she too felt something is wrong
Not all died on the impact but drowning afterwards?
The stall warning went off for 54 seconds, unbelievable
@Klaa2 gotta trust the instruments
that alone is why id never fly air france. same with american airlines too many crashes
Charmedone9805 Air France is safe how many Air France planes have crashed since 447?
@@forza223bowe5 He's just ignorant, ignore it.
even a 10 year old would have tried something else. the stupidity of those pilots is horrifying.
The BEA guy being interviewed is so clearly trying to cover for the crew’s incompetence and lack of professionalism - and failing miserably. It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. Utterly appalling that he should be trying to put “image” before public safety.
Very true.... The Frenchman was embarrassed.
@Klaa2: he says I don't know, I'm sorry, and he laughs nervously because he either lacks word to explain or he tries to cover the investigators's negligence.
Disgusting behaviour
Disgrace to Aviation safety.
Manc Flyer facts
That smile at the end of the video.... imagine someone who’s lost a relative or a friend watching this!!!!
If there's one crash in history that could have EASILY been prevented it's AF447
Pablo Gonzalez Or AirAsia 8501
Exactly
Bing Bong Your Opinion is Wrong You are 100% correct!!
There are no plane accidents, just mistakes. 99.9% of all safty measures in aviation were pretty much written with blood.
VGF80 So they’re not air accidents they’re air mistakes??
The black box recordings of AF447 need to be released in full with no editting. That would end the speculation about the pilots competence or incompetence when you hear what they were trying to do to save the plane.
It was a total incompetence...
VCR should indeed be released. It will never happen though, it would be the end of this pathetic AF company.
It's clear from what the pilot's were doing that they f'd up a basic tenant of flying. They had so much time to recover control of that plane. Such an unnecessary tragedy at the hands of these pilots.
If you do not know how to fly the plane you should not be in the damn cockpit!
RIGHT! Stupidity got the better of them in this case! Poor passengers, my heart goes out to them.
Wade Higgins Yes it’s shocking! I have studied this crash for awhile and it’s a clear case of pilot error! My heart goes out to the people killed & their families who paid the ultimate price for the pilots incompetence/folly!
I find it baffling, it’s almost like they forgot how to fly the plane.
Their first mistake was letting the least experience pilot be in control
i agree.. but even experienced pilots have crashed.
Sadly, the only knowledge really needed to survive this crash should have been learned in about the first ten hours of flight training for private pilot certification.
They literally had to do nothing but acknowledge the autopilot disconnect and keep it level. So sad.
Pilots aren't trained like they used to be. Sometimes they're even switched from one aircraft model to another without any briefing on the difference between the two.
That’s actually fucked up; I’m not even joking!
@@LisaMaryification I've seen your other comment that was also full off bullshit, pilot's that change from one plane to another e.g a330 to a350 need a new type rating for that aircraft, the only time it isn't needed is if you're moving from lets say an 737-800 to a 737-900
@@yeh.80 However, even commercial pilots have been warning about this for years. As more and more automation has entered the cockpit, actual manual flying skills of the pilots gets degraded. This accident was a combination of humungous pilot error as well as automation in the cockpit. Since the control sticks are not linked, the pilot monitoring had no idea the pilot flying had pitched nose up. Had they been linked, this would have been a nothing issue. The breakdown in crew resource management by every single member of the flight crew was inexcusable though.
Edit: What I meant about crew management was how the Captain did not try to avoid the storms, then decided that the time to go on his crew rest break was while they were punching through. Then the First Officer, for not taking the role of pilot flying when the autopilot quit and for not saying, "My aircraft" when he finally did decide to take over. Lastly, the Second Officer for failing to tell anybody that he was pulling back on the stick until they were at like 10,000 feet.
Weather: Huge storm incoming
Captain: Aight, Imma head out
To be fair... the auto pilot was flying the plane through the storm it wasn’t until the tubes failed it became a problem... all Bonin had to do was basically hold the plane level... not yank on the stick or anything just do your basic job...
When cornered, the French suddenly can neither speak nor understand English.
Hahahaha
Haha
It could have been saved, by the pilots simply doing nothing.
Yes but they stalled so much
@@pulanjuri1 The pilots the reason they got in the stall in the first place!
Plant Seed they were doing something...just not the right thing.
@@pulanjuri1 well if they didn't touch anything when the autopilot shut off and just kept the plane flying they wouldn't have caused the stall in the first place
@@pulanjuri1 The pilots caused the stall because they panicked when the auto-pilot shut off.
The two pilots in the seat seemed very incompetent..its very uppsetting!!
I could be remembering it wrong but the co-pilot eventually realizes they were stalled when Bonin says he has had the nose up the whole time
Only the Second Officer (Bonin) was erroneous in his actions. The first Officer made no errors. Due to the layout/design (ergonomics) of the flight deck he had no idea that the S/O was making such a fundamental blunder!
On a Boeing, or other types with a yoke vs a sidestick, the F/O would have been aware immediately that the S/O was pulling the nose up when he ought to have pitched down. Also with a yoke it is extremely clear if your input is executing a command. Sidestick technology is a great deal less clear that your input is actually being accepted and executed.
It is a deeply flawed design.
Very very upsetting!
I am surprised they past trainibg
It's especially Bonin who was incompetent; it was the one who was at the commands.
"Jumbo Jet"
... A330...
Exactly what I was thinking !
LOL
@@PilotBossify its a medium sized airliner
@@PilotBossify "Jumbo Jet" is synonymous with a Boeing 747. Larger than a A330 and made by a competitor... She stuffed up ;)
@@ilaser4064 a380 747 a225 is a jumbo all the jumbos i know
Because of this senseless accident, we practice deep stall recovery every six months in the simulator.
It is quite amazing how much altitude you have to give up to get the wings back flying, but it can be done.
@B757767Driver
Interesting & yes your training has been improved because of this accident.
IYO @what height do you think this plane/situation would have been recoverable?
I feel like Bonin was scared of the captain or something, didn't want to say what he had done with the moving of the nose up. He should have said the auto pilot failed so I put the nose up, then the pilot may have been like, okay, we need to put the nose back down. In that situation, Bonin needs to swallow his pride and just say what he did or else, you know what happened, happens, then he needs to get off that seat and let the captain take over.
I don't agree there. For some unexplainable reason, Bonin didn't seem to know that pulling the nose up was a bad thing. He eventually does tell everyone that he's been pulling the nose up the whole time and even after they realize what is happening and try to put the nose down, he still pulled the stick back at the last moment.
Pulled the stick back? As in put the nose back up?
cambed71 Yes, exactly. When Bonin tells everyone that he's been pulling the nose up the whole time, Captain DuBois and co-pilot Robert realize what has been happening and take the controls. They drop the nose, but at that point, it's too late anyway. Robert declares that they're going to crash and without telling anyone, Bonin pulls the stick back again to pull the nose back up. Again, it was inconsequential at that point, but I don't think it was a pride or fear thing. Bonin simply didn't understand what was going on.
cambed71 it seems he had a natural instinct, to pull up the plane thinking it would recover the stall.... I’m a glider pilot and have flown in cloud a few times without an issue as I know if I let go of the controls the plane fill fly itself. The k8 is twisted and will circle itself down but will never stall, out the first issue, was the confusion and lack of communication, not just 1 factor brought down the plane to its final fate, the thunder storm, funny smells in the cockpit, pilot confusion, and the a330 design of not both side sticks moving in co ordination..... it happened we have to live and learn, unfortunately at the loss of human lives.
@@sundarpichai940 wasn't Bonin still in that state of mind where he believed overspeeding was the real issue (because of the initial warning)?
Wow, the BEA guy was totally unprepared for this interview.
You can say that again!
YES
They were hiding the pilot's incompetence.. shame on BEA
The pilot was having a quickie and let the least experience pilot do the flying 2 mistakes right there
@@beverlyarcher3744 Captain D couldn't bear his stiffy any longer. Just like dumb copilots, he "had the nose up" all along.
I'm so confused because he doesn't know what's happening when there is an alarm telling him....
Uh why would a certified pilot leave the cockpit when the other pilots clearly doesnt know what to do in a stall situation, its a disaster waiting to happend..
If your trained you would know that there's a stall
Then ur a fucking idiot
*Stall* *Stall* *Stall* *Stall* *Stall* *Stall*
Pilot : so hey hows your day going
What happened was the co-pilots were attempting to fly two separate directions which cancel out. In the end, its lack of communication that caused the accident.
Captain was getting a mid-flight quickie, unfuckingbelievable 😡🤦🏼♂️
Not only that but he was going out with some Brazilian chick the night before the flight....
LexDiamonzz Yepp and killed everyone smh. Lost lives for no fucking reason
Hope he finished, that's why it took an extra minute he had to bust before dying
@@TheChurchofCacti he was going out with some chick in Brazil the night before the flight ...that's why he wanted to sleep so bad ....
@@mergg3365 you missed the point. It's rumored that the captain was sleeping with a lady and didn't get enough rest the night before his final flight
In the end it was falling 10-15000 feet per minute, and the aeorodynamic noise would be deafening. I bet there were lots of screaming passengers by then: (
What would that aerodynamic noise have sounded like? I'm assuming some sort of rushing wind, but wondering if there's something similar to compare it to, or if you could describe it more specifically.
God, what a nightmare.
Not 15000 a min it's 1500 a min cause it could still glide
@@The_Tau_Beta They said in the video that it was falling at 120 - 130 MPH that's 686400 feet per hour or 11440 per minute.
@@The_Tau_Beta It could NOT glide.
If that was the case, the aircraft wouldn't have crashed in the Atlantic ocean.
When an aircraft gives you a STALL-warning for 54(!!!) seconds, there isn't much gliding going on. It means you are literally FALLING from the sky
Even a student pilot knows you have to push the nose down to break a stall. The blaring stall warning coupled with decreasing airspeed and altitude combined with so many FPM DOWN on the VSI is clear indication the airplane was stalled.
Air speed wasn't reliable due to the pitot freezing (caused the ap to disconnect). I believe when the pitots started working again, the plane stall warning only sounded when they were approaching stall speed; when they were well below that the plane disregarded the data as false. I agree 100% the pilots were incompetent.
@@ChunkyyHDstill if he was lost he should have tell the other pilot to take control instead he was taking the control
Shame this lovely state of the art aircraft they just crashed into the sea and all the poor families of the 200 plus stupid pilot's couldn't fly the plane without a computer , they need to be properly trained ,bringing the nose up in a stall is looking for trouble.!!
not only did the co-pilot bring the nose up during a stall, he kept it there the entire time until the crash. The plane's independent joystick controls prevented the more experienced co-pilot to correct the stall. The Captain is also largely to blame. Looks like he was having a quickie, leaving the cockpit in the hands of a novice and the jetliner heading into a severe storm
Case 7240 - Every pilot is trained to respond to a stall by bringing the nose down. Even people who are not trained pilots, but who are interested in aviation, know that. That’s what is so mystifying about this crash. The least experienced pilot was flying and he seemed not to know anything.
@@GH-oi2jf I'm just a civilian, and common sense tells me to put the nose down in a stall...
Nose up would just slow the plane down. That's bad.
@@nimaakhtarkhavari8766 Just like going down a hill in a car, you speed up.
Flying into storm clouds...good time to see my girlfriend!
Jeez
Lol thanks for letting us know
Aircraft fly into all kinds of weather conditions, the aircraft are generally very robust and aerodynamically sound so there is no need for the Captain to remain when his allocated rest is due. He ought to have had every confidence his First Officer was competent to handle it.
This is normal standard operating procedure in any longhaul international airline.
Had there have been an event arising such as warning alerts, system failure or computer errors being apparent he would not have left his station.
He left with the aircraft flying normally into expected weather.
He did NOTHING wrong.
Crazy but true. Captain Dubois was going through a divorce at the time. Besides heavily drinking, he was banging his new chick Veronique, a flight attendant who was on board that night but not on duty (except for polishing his door knob). About an hour before the crash, this piece of shit admitted sleeping only ONE HOUR the previous night, and BEA cover up team tried to hide this crucial VCR info as "irrelevant and private". Concerning Bonin, his behaviour is so absurd that I wonder if he wouldn't be a cousin of Andreas Lubitz from Germany...
Yes, so romantic in the rain
Pilot comes out of cockpit
“Where’s the pilot”
Passengers: 😮
No one should be in that cockpit who can't fly a plane in all situations. Irrespective of whether the captain was there or not, the co pilots should be trained to such a level that it doesn't matter.
Then there will be no point of a co-pilot then.
@@user-ve1cc6qn6t first officers can fly plane they just have less experience
i dont agree. The capitain should have avoided to go inside the storm, first of all, and not give command of the plane to the most unexperienced of the 2 and let him do all he did till the fall. He didnt understand the stall alarm like the other 2 unexperienced boys. What a mess in that cockpit!!! He was in charge and didnt do anything to avoid the disaster
@@micheladerry5681 The captain did nothing wrong. The fault goes to the first officers. First officers can fly a plane just as well as a captain, they just don't have as much experience with the airline. Even a private pilot would know how to recover from a stall. I have no idea why the hell Bonin didn't know the basic fucking thing about flying.
@@micheladerry5681 Exactly
so the stall alarm is ringing steadily & Bonin wonders what could possibly be wrong?
The captain should have never left to take a rest knowing they were heading into a storm, the co-pilot had no damn idea what the hell he was doing, he killed everyone on board.
To put it simply: Yes, the flight could've been saved if the pilot didn't pull back on the lever.
This is the one where they wer pulling he lever the opposite way! They were driving the plane into the sea.
sa you don’t drive planes my guy
Pulling back would of made it worse. The nose was pitched up. Push back on the joy stick to bring the nose down. Problem solved
Scott R stop pretending ur the expert, u would make the same mistake when put under that pressure. Fucking keyboard warrior
@@FLAMEalan at least I'd know what to do in a stall
I was traveling with my husband and 2 year old son in 1991. At the time I didn't know about the disturbance in the Atlantic ocean. It was aka the perfect storm. The captain forewarned us about the turbulence because a plane ahead advised the situation. We were 5 hours into the flight, right smack in the middle of the ocean. {Germany to New York} After a few minutes in the turbulence, the plane had dropped 400 ft.. I thought we were doomed when I no longer heard the noise of the engines. Not sure why that happened but I'm sure thankful of the pilots that managed to keep us in the air and the crew who made us all feel safe afterwards.I haven't flown since and never will again.
Don't blame you. Flying is the safest mode of transport until it's you that's in a plane about to crash.
I understand your fear. I used to fly often when I was younger, but then I noticed that big passenger aircraft started falling out of the sky, especially in the late 80s- early 90s. I wondered how could this possibly happen??? I wondered about how good was the maintenance, pilot experience etc... I believe that the aviation industry covers up a lot and I don't believe that flying is as safe that they would have you believe. I understand that we will all die one day but I can't imagine the terror of falling out of the sky with such speed and crashing into the ocean in the dark of night....I just couldn't imagine and I have not ever set foot on an airplane since 1991.
ruclips.net/video/e5AGHEUxLME/видео.html&ab_channel=MentourPilot This gives a better understanding of the reaction of the pilots.
When the autopilot fails you would think that you would lower the nose to prevent stalling since you have no idea of your airspeed, but ok then.
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS MAINTAIN A LIVEL FLIGHT AND INCREASE ENGINE THRUST TO PREVENT STALLLING. MAYBE JUST RAISE HE NOSE BY 1 DEGREE TO MAKE SURE THEY DONT LOSE ALTITUDE OR REGAIN ALTITUDE.
Airpseed apparently indicated high when the peto froze. Hence the climb to slow down.. they lost over 90 knots and stalled
@@0601ac I understood that after an odd minute or 2 the pitot tubes defrosted and computers came on line again so really all they had to do was nothing.
Shouldn’t have flown into the storm, the pilot should have just kept level flight
"Pilot didn't come back for 1 whole minute. A critical 60 seconds."
It was his restroom break and sometimes it takes a whole to get cleaned up...
This is different to the 737 max crashes. The plane was perfectly flyable, they shouldn’t have pushed the nose up
Ikr it's the only case of A330 ever been crashed! That too it was avoidable by the pilots. Sure the messed up there
Nope, you forget the Air Afriqiyah crash in Tripoli. Also involved an A330.
You probably meant, to push the nose down, to get out of the stall, not up
@@AlexYork78 They tried to push the nose down, but the center of gravity has been shifted aft of the cargo. They had no idea of that.
@@ayonsaha7963 They actually tried to push the nose down but Bonin still tried to push the nose up which cancelled each other
"But that was not personal..."
"Well...pfff... may-maybe, uh... err hehehe..."
Not the response you want to hear when you ask the head of the French flight investigation division why the complete and utter confusion of the pilots caused a plane with hundreds of souls onboard to crash.
Bonnin fucked up
Joker nah the pilot did. Why would you leave the plane with someone who doesn’t have the experience?
@@cee_el no he mainly did because he failed to control the plane once the autopilot disconnected which caused the crash (every qualified pilot knows how to fly a plane manually) . Also he did nothing when the stall warning sounded and it sounded for about a minute. That's plenty of time to react and control the aircraft from stalling with all flight systems working.
@@cee_el but we don't know what acc happened because no one knows 100% why the aircraft couldn't be recovered from the stall. They're could of been a major failure that caused it.
D a n i e l O But isn’t that the reason why a pilot is in charge though? Because there are situations where a co-pilot or 3rd officer haven’t experienced. Plus based on the actions of this pilot, it seemed like he wasn’t even sure himself
@@cee_el they're always needs to be 2 Min. Pilots in a cockpit that know how to fly. The pilot had no idea what was going on and the co pilots had plenty of time to get out of the stall. All they needed to do was to level the plane and add max thrust and they would've been fine. Even a student pilot would know what to do.
THERE IS A BUTTON ON THE CAPTAIN'S SIDE CALLED "SIDE STICK PRIORITY" FOR A REASON!!
You can even see that in the video
Pedro Chemim - The captain, however, was not in his seat.
@@GH-oi2jf But there were other 2 pilots there, one of them acting as the captain
Pedro Chemim Bonin was sat in the captains seat, which is why his control was overriding the co pilots control. He was the one pushing the nose up.
@@johnwedlake5543 Bonin was in the right seat, the Captain seat was occupied by the second most experienced, David Robert
The stall warning came 75 times before the plane plunged into a deep dive but they continued to hold the nose up
It was the co pilot Bonin who was pulling back, not the other co pilot. He doomed the entire plane
Bonin, the entire time, had the nose up. The other pilot tried to take control, but because Bonin was still pulling the nose up, the actions canceled each other out. When the other pilot said "I have control", Bonin should have let go of the control stick, but he didn't.
Bonin doesn't mention that he's still holding the stick back until almost at the very end. Some investigations have shown that the pitot tubes were only frozen for a few seconds, and that Bonin was getting correct info at the time. Bonin is the main reason for the crash. Other investigators have agreed that the crash could have been avoided and the plane could have been saved if Bonin had let go of the control stick when the other pilot took over. But he never says he still has the stick until it's too late. One of the first things pilots learn is stall recovery. The plane is stalling, and Bonin has the nose up, which is the worst thing you can do. But, it's Bonin that brought the plane down. The rest of the crew weren't thinking to ask Bonin if he had the stick back, probably because they couldn't imagine he would have been so ridiculous to keep the stick back and nose up during a stall. And Bonin never thought he should share the information until the plane was unrecoverable.
Bibliosaurus Rex Even for the most rookie of pilots, if the plane is stalling pull down rather than up.
The most annoying part was he held the nose up the whole damn time....Idk why the captain didn't realize that. The incompu still held the nose up when they were tryna recover 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
“Well you have some personal conversations that is not useful to” whom? And he laughs it off..? Seriously..
She refers to the F/O as "Captain" Bonin, he wasn't a captain nor was he in charge. He was the most inexperienced of the three pilots on board. This is how reporting gets a story wrong, because now a listener hears "Captain" and it should mean that he should have known better, when in fact he was not very skilled at flying this aircraft and the 'real" captain, Marc Dubios, was in charge and should have been flying it. Get it right, ABC!!
He still should have known better as a qualified FO the type of aircraft was irrelevant aerodynamics don't change
Not the only thing they got wrong
If the pilot is “ traveling socially” during the specific amount of time that’s crucial to act after the auto pilot turns off, and the plane starts to stall as a result, how does that tiny little French man NOT think that it is/ contributed to the cause of the accident?
The dance that goes on between the airline and the manufacturer when trying to asses liability after a crash is SCARY dude... 😳😳😳
How could such an experienced pilot not feel the nose lift while he was in the bathroom...how would he not feel the plane moving in the wrong way and ‘stalling’ and then run out of the bathroom back to the cockpit?
Spatial disorientation
3:04: The Captain was banging a stewardess! That was news to me, hadn't heard that fact in earlier reports. So the only competent adult/horndog, had left the cockpit.
The team of 2 less capable idiots was in charge. Nice! Let's pull the stick back, do some high angle off attack stunts. Stall warning? What stall warning?? What is a stall anyway??? Naah, I'll just keep pushing back on the stick! All the way down, until the aircraft pancaked the ocean.
A competent captain like Sullenberger would have saved the situation well before they even got into a stall. And had they got into a stall he knows what to do to recover from a stall, since he knows basic pilot training. The basics that every commercial pilot must know. Air France? Obviously not so much.
The AF 447 crash was due to incompetence. Poor training. Ignorance. I blame the French. And I partly blame the captain. Had he been good with just a BJ he should have had time to cage the dumbstick, pull up his pants and return to cockpit much faster than the 1 min it took him. He could have saved them. Rosanne Barr blames Ambien. Trump blames everyone but himself. BAE blames Airbus. And Romain Grosjean blames Ericsson...
Dan B Cooper: ".....cage the dumbstick....."!
Yeah, quite a surprise the pilot left the cockpit more than a minute, only to travel to visit the off duty flight attendant. If this was the reality, what an instant karma for that pilot.. short lasted pleasure was paid off with unnecessary accident..
I like that a lot, Romain blamed Ericsson, and now he also blamed Kevin Magnussen after Canada's quali.. Keeevvvvvv.. haha
Dan B Cooper I heard Iberia captain chose to avoid that storm, I believe it was the storm also that made their life so difficult
The stall warning is the second most disturbing alert after the terrain alert.
Frank Tenpenny yeah it needs to be i guess. Just in case you need help understanding that shits about to get serious if you don't act now
Complete incompetence by the pilots
To think of the fear that the passengers must have felt, dark of the night over the Atlantic Ocean and pilot negligence, I fly transatlantic many times due to work and I often think of them, we often take for granted that we will always make it to our destination, rest in peace to all the victims of flight 447, gone but never forgotten
How can you not feel the plane mushing down. It's something that's hard to comprehend.
Such irresponsibility by the captain! Your in the middle of the storm and you leave the cockpit while the least experienced person is flying the plane? And by the time the plane started falling do you even have to be in the cockpit to know something is wrong? Argh disgraceful!
Airbus knew that the pitot tunes were faulty. There had been quite a few documented other occurances of failing A330 pitot tubes. Coupled with bad pilot training, this accident was completely avoidable.
Where the hell did Bonin think he was taking the plane to, if he just held the stick back..........the outer edges of the earths atmosphere?
This guy said tax instead of tact
The airbus stall warning haunts my dreams lol
sventy shit haha thanks
Stall = nose down and full power. That's a stall recovery in any aircraft. WTF were the pilots thinking ?????
I know nothing of flying a plane and I would have guessed that myself! Shocking
NickAss Jonny
Are you stupid that you would put the nose of plane down. ..idiot
When you hear that stall sound you want to get that plane up in the sky as fast as possible. ..I would be pulling that stick towards me with every ounce of energy to get that plane up...and you fool would push it down towards the sea....fucking idiot.
@@robertosalazar6867 please, oh holy spirit with all of Gods blessed grace...please tell me your joking. This level of ineptitude isnt actually possible right? Like we dont have the splycer genome editor set up with that setting do we?
@@mentalhaze4226 surely this dude cant be serious? thank god he's not a pilot haha
@@chrisshort4121 Thank God for sure.
Rip to all those people this is just sad they all should be alive this hurts ❤️
Still remembering in feb 2020 never forget :(
I've never flown a plane, but I've played enough GTA V to know a stall means your plane is not doing the right thing. Incredible how they just ignored that for a minute.
yeah, now choice cockpit view, turn up the weather volume to max. will leaving the warning sounds on medium and then fly during the night time over a body of water in the clouds with your instruments covered up (to simulate unrealable readings).
"The planes blackbox were recovered in tax"
May there souls rest in peace very tragic it could of being avoided God bless the families. amen
The capitan was getting naughty with the flight attendant
Pilot: "But whats happening"? captain: Our Deaths. 😔
absolutely pilot error by the inexperienced First Officer in the Right seat. He held the stick full aft for the entire descent. Sure there was a mechanical failure involved but the aircraft was flyable.
Ah - the French pilot was busy being a good Frenchman in the back. Bad timing for Pepe LaPieu.
I'm from Brazil, and I was 5 years old when this crash happened, but I remember this day clearly, and all the news about this crash
When they hear, stall, stall, stall; there is a procedure for that.
Worst airline in modern time.
Never airfrance
We call it Air Chance
Air france is not bad just because of the crash.
@@user-ve1cc6qn6t Air france doesnt have a good record at all. Worse than ryanair lol
Sure never too
Air France has only had 2 deadly crashes in the last 19 years, what the actual fuck are you talking about LMAO
At that time, Air France especially their flying school used to be called AIR CHANCE, even internally
French people also say Air Frousse, "frousse" being slang for "fear". They are well aware of having the worst pilots ever.
minastronasse I flew on Air France and it wasn’t a bad flight, but I was very nervous
The co-pilot on the left had the nose raised the entire time and failed to mention it. By the time the Captain discovered the problem it was too late.
1:09 - funny how the lady ominously declares the "autopilot switching off" while on screen we see an Airbus configured for landing, still on autopilot in approach mode, with standard arrival set on the MFD, and the ominously blinking green light is the "sidestick priority" button confirming that the F/O has controls.
I'm traveling in a few weeks and I watched 10 videos about planes crashing, I am officially terrified.
2:16 it is the most baffling and disastrous minute of the flight? I think the most disastrous minute of the flight was when it crashed into the ocean but I could be wrong.
the nose being pulled up was what caused the plane to crash all together, so it could be considered as such.
What was not said in here was that the outside sensors of the plane froze in the storm and they were getting contradicting information from the computer, hence why the autopilot disconnected. The pilot made the mistake of pulling the nose up thinking they were actually descending due to erroneous readings. When the plane stalled and got lower and the ice on the sensor melted, correct readings were now available, but it was too late.
Puts the plane to the position to stall
Later . Whats happening
Captain was getting a piece?? Good god gravy!!
I have never seen such incompetence😔
The junior pilot was pushing up on his stick the whole time, the other copilot did not know this until it was too late. Some say a critical design of this plane. A total breakdown of cockpit awareness. Total pilot error crashed this plane. I could not imagine the horror on board in the final minutes.
Even as just someone who's played hundreds and hundreds of hours of flight sim, I understand that pulling up in a stall is making a bad situation worse. Nose down, regain lift, level out. Really sad how preventable this was. Rip to all those passengers
Airplane: Blares warnings
Pilots: Do I hear something?
if a330 = jumbo jet
then
i lose brain cells
At night in a storm, over open water, why can't PFD's display IFR related instruments more predominantly than those used under VFR conditions, so rookie pilots can get a clearer picture of what's going on when the veteran pilot decides it's time for his nappy nap?
Good interview I love this interview. Thanks for uncovering their lies
If this plane had a traditional yoke, the other pilot would've known immediately what Bonin was doing wrong. Yet Airbus to this day sticks with the side-controllers. Even placing them on the inside might've prevented this. It happened yet again to AirAsia. Same scenario. Boeing is catching hell for its design flaw, but this Airbus "feature" will kill people again.
Don't blame a pilot error on Airbus. Furthermore, there was a breakdown in the commuciation procedure in the cockpit that contributed to the accident.
Seriously, what the hell is the reason Airbus has the sticks like that? Why not have them on the inside? Or each one on the right or left? Any closer together than being on opposite-ass sides of the cockpit.
@@coldblackice Inside you have the thrust controls
@@vulc1 Right, but I would think a control such as the sticks would be more pertinent for each pilot to have both in sight at once in order to coordinate or at least be aware of situations where pilots are performing opposite or conflicting controls.
The sidestick is a non issue for competent and coordinated crews you don't hear of fighter pilots smashing in to the ground because their sidesticks prevented them from basic stall recovery
It was all the Captain fault because he let the youngest pilot take charge
and didnt take the commands of the plane for a minute... stupid capitain
In my opinion the alpha pilot should never take a break when In flight.
A flight is only a few hours, every pilot should be more than well rested before they fly a plane.
For that minute and a half I wonder what the passengers were experiencing? That's a long time.
It's a misnomer to say that an Airbus is being flown "manually" when the autopilot disengages.
Not at all it's then responding to direct pilot inputs the misconception is that Airbus aircraft are more "automated" than non FBW aircraft
Pablo Gonzalez An airbus can be flown manually without protections.
In this episode of The Three Stooges, Moe leaves the cockpit and Larry and Curly are left to fly the plane...
LMAO
Truth
That’s a whole nightmare. Hearing about this whole situation is just so disheartening.
mistake no.1 since my primary training..Pitot Heat is applied...first and foremost anytime icing becomes a possibility...those pilots ,regardless of their ages and experience, should have prepped the airplane for icing conditions at that altitude when entering rain. including pitot heat and wing anti-ice.
Yes at one point one of the pilots says iys -40 C outside
I think he meant unprofessional when he said, personal..leaving out parts of the cockpit conversation to hide the truth.
one of my best friends was supposed to be on this flight, but he reschedueled the night before due to a meeting.
Just like the Titanic, where if they had done nothing at all the disaster probably would have been avoided. The Titanic was built to withstand a head on crash like would have happened if they hadn't seen the iceberg, but the scraping down the side is what sealed its fate. With Flight 447 if the copilot had just not done anything, rather than pulling back on the control stick, the flight would have came through the storm and the pitots would have thawed and autopilot re-engaged. I just can't imagine the fear of just not knowing what was happening, because it was so dark out they didn't even know they were falling but the noise was deafening. Then at the very end the pilots knew they were about to die. It's intense
All pilots in training should watch all flight crashed videos during the training so that they know from examples.
how did they not notice the altimeter?
They thought that their equipment were failing.
"they were found in tacks"
Bonin: damnit I knew I shouldn’t have skipped that lecture on stalling
OH JENNA YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL
Recovering from a stall is flying 101. A beginner pilot learns how. Once recovered, placing the throttles @ 80% and a nose up of 5 degrees, even without airspeed indications, will place you in level flight. Secondly, I am sure the GPS was functioning which gives you ground speed (and altitude), from which you can deduce your air speed.