An Unnecessarily In-Depth Discussion of Whip Swords
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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Time to go full nerd mode and ramble about the practical aspects and viability of whips and whip swords in real life. It's quite a badass looking fantasy weapon, and it may be inspired by the Indian Urumi. Would it be possible to make, or would it even make sense?
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Pro: It's unpredictable. Your opponent can't easily defend against it.
Con: It's unpredictable. *You* can't easily defend against it.
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear
This is one of the most on the point comment I have ever witnessed. Best Compliments to you Sir
Timothy McLean 😂 just like my life
Timothy McLean Such is the unfortunate truth.
this is why you wear armour.
South Indian here. Have held the Urumi and spoken to experts. Some facts. Urumi was never a primary weapon. It was worn coiled around the waist like a belt. When surrounded on all sides in a skirmish, you would whip out and flail the urumi around. The biggest challenge of using the Urumi is that you have extremely specific targets. The Carotid artery (place where helmet meets the armor and creates a gap), and the knees. Urumi was also meant to flap around a shield and strike the forearms rendering the opponent unable to hold a shield.
Former Khalsa Sikh here, we actually used it similarly to you guys. The main difference is that instead of going for potentially fatal strikes, Sikhs would use the chuttuval to trip up opponents or, in the case of fighting Mughal cavalry, entangle riders and bring them down from their mount. From there the kirpan or khalsa would come in and do the dirty work.
Thank you both. This kind of usage would make sense. Greetings from Europe!
Learned something new,thx
Thank you for this information, Sir! Really useful, I always wondered how they were used. Sounds like it was basically crowd control.
Most well informed comment imo
I think this is late. But as someone from the region where urumi's are extensively used, it's a concealable self-defense weapon mostly. Kinda like a weapon people who wrap around thier waist and tie a cloth around it to conceal, it is mostly not designed to do fatal damage, mostly do deep cutting damage (not fatal but can still be dangerous).
It was not extensively used in wars or battles as it's not very effective against armor and armors once again wasn't as advanced in Asia. Anyway its mostly a non-war time, self-defense weapon that allows a great degree of conceal ability. It is quick good against multi-targets and surprise attacks as it's range and cutting damage can keep enemies at a distance and can let's you escape.
@@markderonde529 It is not theoretical, it is a practical weapon that has been used for a long time. It has its limitations and advantages. Also, it is one of the hardest weapons to master. You can slice of your hand or feet rather fast if you aren't a master.
Thank you for your insight.
You make it sound so good for self defense lol
Belt sword🤔
@@Ashley05235 you don’t want to kill them, unless they are using lethal force, rather just hurt and scare them.
“Ever stabbed someone with a flexible noodle? It’s not gonna work.”
[Erectile dysfunction joke here]
The reason flexible, flacid weapons are not popular is because they do not overcompensate for flexible noodles.
I have pushed rope a couple of times when I was drunk.
Dr Bright do you know where I can get a chainsaw cannon
Remember the ethics committee
Cant you Insert the Joke ?
Fishing Rods are pretty reliable weapons I can confirm I played minecraft Skywars
As a hunter×hunter fan I concur
As a guy who crafts a fishing rod as soon as he has enough string can confirm too
As a guy who both plays Minecraft and has seen HxH I can confirm. The fishing rod is the supreme weapon.
As a guy who uses jax's fisherman skin I very much agree
As a Legend of Zelda player, I can also confirm.
Urumi was used mostly as a duelling weapon. And both the participants of the duel will carry the urumi. There is an entire folklore around it. It has been barely used in the battleground. And the other thing is it extremely difficult to use. In the martial art of Kalari, urumi is the last weapon to master. It takes a lot of years to get to urumi training itself. And only the warriors carried it around(Think of the Katana and samurais).
The legend is you'd whip the sword and it'll wrap around your opponent's neck. When you pull back the head will come clean off.
PS : I'm not an expert in these things. I just happened to live in the the place it was originated (Northern Kerala).
Dueling? From what I have read about it, it was a melee weapon and certainly makes more sense as a melee weapon. A surprise weapon to get out when ambushed by a group.
@@thehawkseye3412 they have also used it to duel. The weapon was made legendary by tales of warriors duelling one another.
@@jayarajjacob5250 well they needed practice to use it without hurting themselves.. jk Not contradicting you. good to know.
@@thehawkseye3412 From what I know it's the last weapon they teach and it takes the most amount of time to master.
urumi padam kandu kondu irunapol chumma ividam vare vannathaane 😅
if you understand why the Urumi was invented, you will know everything about it.
in ancient times, if you had to carry a weapon around with you,it would usually be a sword or a spear which would not only be heavy and cumbersome but also visible.
if you carried a dagger it wouldn't be visible, but you couldn't defend yourself against multiple enemies.
a whip you could carry tied around your waist and had a long reach, but once the enemy closed the gap, it would be ineffective.(that was a problem with axes as well which is why swords were invented. among other things that make swords superior to axes is that they have sharp edge right up to the hilt).
so to overcome all these challenges, the urumi was created using features of other weapons- 1)the body of the whip gave it long reach and it's flexibility to wrap it around made it invisible and easy to carry around.
2)the sharp edge right up to the hilt was again why swords were invented, to defend against an opponent up close.
once unleashed (pun intended), one could swing it around and cause slashes and cuts to anybody in its range. nobody could get within 6 feet without incurring damages.
However all these multiple advantages meant the urumi could not cause killing blows because it was too thin. If it were not thin, then they could not have been folded and easy to carry around.
this was a self defense weapon intended for civilian use.
however wherever it would hit, it would make lacerations and cause severe bleeding and effectively put that opponent out of the fight. moreover, the sheer dramatic effect of the snake like weapon swinging around, making scary sounds when cutting the air would dissuade most attackers. and those multi bladed urumi....😰
Very intresting, thank you very much! Could you direct a place with more information?
if im not mistaket urumis were usually carried as a bealt, the blade would wrap aroud the wearer's body and the hilt would work kinda like a belt buckel
So basically it's an Asian moms best friend.
civilians ? i say nope because of the obvious mastery needed.
What if you just use a bow?
Useless against plated armor.
Unless you have lightning enchantment.
or imprisoned souls, like Ivy's super whip sword of doom.
Faraday cage effect with the full plate if it has mail underneath
Pritty much just hook it up to a battery and bam u got it.
You're supposed to use the metal pericer upgrade, the lightning enchant doesn't activate unless you strike flesh
@@alba2162 thats a defective lightning enchantment. Were you fighting trees?
I first heard of the Urumi from a Sikh guy at a gym in Coventry, England. When he described it I was highly sceptical about its actual efficiency. He described it as a ceremonial weapon (where we all know that ridiculous is perfectly fine) and as a last resort. It was the latter that intrigued me. He brought his Urumi (no edge) to the gym and attached it to his belt. We heavy sparred with training knives 6 v 1. When we got close he unclipped the Urumi and let loose. We all had full guards on but the effectiveness of it, to displace or fend off a number of attackers was good. The speed he went from knife to a spinning wall of 5 spring steel ribbons was around 1 second. He then returned to knife for a single, controlled attack. And repeat. It'd be easily overcome with basic armour but that wasn't the context of its use. I also attempted to use it and was far more grateful of armour than when I was on the other end of it!
Did you happen to ask where he learned to use an Urumi?
@@_Nasrani_ probably in India
@@_Nasrani_ Many Sikh communities around the world practice Punjabi martial arts (known as Gatka).
Tony John urumi is practised in martial art of Kalaripayat in Kerala in South India
in Northern India, the Sikh practice it in the martial art of Gatka and the Urumi is called Aara.
check out TV series Deadliest Warrior episode Roman vs Rajput for more details.
I first heard of the Urumi from Age of Empires 3
Speaking of wired pommels, that might be a fabulous way to retrieve them after the throw! Just reel it back to you like a fishing hook!
But be careful not to pull it back too fast and hit yourself with your own pommel.
The pommel knows its master.
Mikosch2 The pommel gods are fickle beings that don't care about us mortals and only concern themselves with demonstrating the might and glory of the pommel
Lukas Jampen So I guess people never used pommels... because the pommels were using people all along.
My pommel is an atheist.
I think I remember watching a documentary that had a urumi in it, If i remember correctly, the Urumi was never meant for any form of warfare, it wasn't even designed to fatally harm people. its was specifically used in 1 on 1 dueling in order to settle disputes. they would duel until one gave up.
RustedCrown11 it's the final weapon they teach you in the south Indian martial arts discipline kalari. Historically soldiers do not generally train to such an extend. Besides in a war it would be unpractical. However champions (anga-chekavar) used to use it as you said for settling disputes and also for fighting exhibitions
The urumi is used to fight multiple people at once like 10 on 1
This one? ruclips.net/video/HT4CnA2fNcY/видео.html
RustedCrown11 why don't people just fight with their hands like real men
Because the fake men with swords poke holes in them.
"The problem is that if your opponent pulls harder than you you are now being controlled rather than controlling them"
Nemesis: *whips Seiros's sword*
Lady Seiros: "Have you seen those biceps old man?"
*snorts* oh my fUCKI-
TRUEEE
You can’t really exert all of your strength well with a flexible whip compared to a rigid sword, you’d have to be so much stronger than your opponent to entangle their sword with a whip and get it out of their grip
If your sword wraps around theirs, they could also go for the stab if you are trying to pull.
Fire Emblem 3 Houses Sword of the Creator gang has arrived.
I love you for doimg this... Byleth is such a chad tho
Eyyyy
But Sword of the Creator is a magical sword so... the whipsword only works because of magic xD
Claude Squad, standing by
Brighid from Xenoblade Chronicles 2
People do not want to *accept* that there is a good reason for the variety of single-purpose-weapons. They all want this one sword/axe/hammer/dagger hybrid that can shoot 9mm laser beams, have an integrated 14mp camera, goes from 0 to 60 in under 5sec and cooks you a nice meal...
AFCA - World Bodybuilding Archive, damn, I wish I had that just for its meal cooking properties...
Isn't he more or less just describing a woman with a hot temper..? :P
You forgot to add "tactical" to the tool name xD
10/10 would date.
It's created one or the other. It can't change halfway through it's life, and if you try and combine a bunch together, it ends up as an unnatural mix that doesn't work.
We're talking about genders, right?
“Weakens the integrity of the blade dramatically”
No wonder the sword of the creator has only 20 uses
Also its made out of bones
@@funkykongreal Why not use someone's spine like the Dullahan. Double the whipping power with the moral superiority of having (proofably) at least one spine. :)
@@theblackbaron4119 Wonder Woman liked your comment
@@theblackbaron4119 well the Dullahan’s cheating a bit cuz he’s magical, so by extension he’s probably holding a magical spine
@@theblackbaron4119😊
What you described at the end is a harpoon
and the castlevani one is a thrown dagger with a string to pull it back and a lot more cumbersome to use and probably less momentum
Scorpion would disagree with that statement.
4000+ years in the future.
Opponent:
I HAVE A WHIPPP SWORD!
Me: I have a gun.........
Opponent: (starts sweating)
Chinggis Han I have bulletproof forcefield 😜
Centurion: violation detected! Illegal firearm! *opens fire with twin 40mm miniguns* move along citizen
*laughs in automatic nuke launcher*
How about a GUN WHIP SWORD?!?
Something Random yeah man things have escalated since the start of the thread, you just bought a gun whip sword to an automatic nuke launcher fight. F
Where there's a whip, there's a way.
Where there's a whip, there's a way.
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bravo bravo
Actually good.
it certainly is
+Skallagrim
I think _Deadliest Warrior_ did a test against a pig carcass with an urumi, which they called an aara. It was _Season 2, Episode 6: Roman Centurion vs. Rajput Warrior._ If I remember correctly, it only did superficial damage.
You are 100% correct, but it is availible online, just type "Deadliest Warrior S02E06 online" into google :)
Thats what i was thinking too
Sean Martin Cowley yeah there was so much bullshit and history inacurracy that I only recommend it for entertainment purpose only.
Sean Martin Cowley True; very true. But the tests themselves are sometimes (I repeat, sometimes; not always, not anywhere close to always, but sometimes) valid, despite the show's many flaws and inaccuracies. For example, a claymore would most certainly not have been used by William Wallace, but that does not invalidate that it severed three human neck analogues with one horizontal cut.
The person testing the Urumi had several minutes if I recall correctly to do as much damage as possible, and only did superficial damage. And this was someone trained in how to use an Urumi.
Matthew St. Cyr William Wallace did use a Claymore? The 'Wallace Sword' is the sword gifted to William Wallace. The Sword on display is a Great Sword with Claymore translating to "Greatsword". Although the sword on display has some differences to a standard Claymore it is still considered one. However it was thought he used a standard Claymore during his years of battle until he was given the Wallace Sword.
Urumi actually have an interesting use as a weapon in that it isn't really meant to do lethal damage, it is meant to keep a bunch of people away from you and disable lags and arms to make it easier to deal with them in combat since it gets around shields and light legging armor and does so at length.
Skall showing off his..."other" collection :p
glad i wasn't the only one who thought that.
lol
The ball used in this demonstration is actually a BDSM ball... Not even kidding... Canadian law stuff...
But we do have a whip-sword. It's called a loosened chainsaw, don't try it.
Already did... didn’t like the results. Every give yourself 8 stitches? Thank god it caught the hammer, or else I would have probably bled out from it hitting the major artery.
Wait.. the hammer.. wht were you doing with a chainsw and a hammer sir?
Ps4Junkie so the chainsaw would not hit his major artery duh
Francisco Faginas leather face reference.
The urumi was used by special members of the king’s guard who trained in a martial art called “kalaripayattu” in ancient india
Just saw the opening cut scene in fire emblem 3 houses. I thought "man, the whip sword is cool. I wonder if it's possible IRL?"
You really deliverd.
A car battery for a pummel eh? Ending them rightly- gore edition
light emblem You had me rolling dude!
Car battery's are hallow though you'd need to fill it with cement :p
*BONK*
Implying ending them normally ISN'T gory. The only documented proof of thrown pommels is that manuscript. Any time it's been tried, the force killed anyone watching.
Like opening the ark of the covenant.
_"Stabbing somebody with a cooked spaghetti"_ Some older guys can sympathize...
m.blacktree 😂😅
i am 2 years old :(
Italian combat knife, 1940, colourised.
Y u pushing rope brah?
MOM'S SPAGHETTI
At which point you might as well have a flail
I actually had a friend who made a wooden mock up of a whip sword (though it couldn't retract obviously) and in sparing matches it was rather effective, provided that neither of us was armored. The moment any form of armor came in the weapon couldn't give enough force to do anything, just like you showed with the basic chain.
Also if I could dodge the initial swing, he would have to rapidly adjust his attack so he didn't nail himself with the thing, which gave me a great chance to counterattack. It made for a very dangerous (if unarmored) weapon, but it was a huge liability when it missed it's target.
The weapon locking was also problematic. The blades were bad to get caught on each other when wrapping around anything, then they had to be manually seperated. The second he locked my sword I would just drop the sword and go in for a kill with my sidearm. (usually a parrying dagger)
That's just my experience with this kind of thing.
You could use flex tape
*I [WHIPPED] THIS BOAT IN HALF*
Dayvie THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE!
@@danielang1036 HOW BOUT' SOME MORE
A Warhammer 40k Intellectual IT EVEN WORKS UNDERWATER
purple man IN SHARK INFESTED WATERS
With Ivy the "Its magic, duh!" excuse is actually the case. She Edward Elriced that shit after her parents were killed. If I'm not mistaken the sword is even somewhat sentient. The more you know.
Anyway great video!
Protip: One of Ivy's joke weapons is an actual mechanical sword-whip, it even come complete with funny clockwork sound effects!
gloglablyn I'm not sure thats a tip. Lol!
Yeah, isn't the Sword made out of a splinter of Nightmares Sword? (Don't remeber the name of it, really a shame ^^). Soul...Reaper? 😂
Allen Richards More of a fun fact.
Lol magic or not, a weapon is made for the fullest efficiency. Why bother use and train with a sword whip when u can just fireball. Less training, better range.
Seems the Indian sword, or any of the whip swords would be more of a terror weapon. Something used in civilian crowds, to cause panic etc.
bar0nger yes but panic in battle.
Shivansh 2018 Nautiyal if you use that against someone with armor, the only thing youre gonna cause is laughs
TheHUEZOX yep but full metal armour in Indian heat is impossible.
Shivansh 2018 Nautiyal I mean even a gambeson could stop it.
The Real Knack kind of
*sad Byleth noises*
Ninetails sama If he could make any
Cyka Blyeth
@@thehate2535 Eedee nahui.
Byleth just needs an urumi. :D
its alright,it was a magical sword to begin with and he could just rewind time (aaaah thats hot!)to cancel hit done to him...waste of ''time'' though.
The Wakandans probably have perfected the whip sword. Vibranium nanites apparently can do anything.
JR Boyd nano machines, son
Except make me a sammich.
No, we don't do that here.
"IT'S VERY CONVENIENT"
Yeah if only we could also utilize black snake oil as well
Well to be fair to Simon and the Belmont family. They fight monsters. Their whips are probably either drenched in holy water, or imbued with magic that makes the monsters explode upon death.
In the Castlevania TV show, Trevor's whip makes a monster explode. Everyone looks at him until he explains, "The whip's consecrated, for fighting vampires and [monsters]." He does use the whip in fights with humans though, but that's because he's never actually trying to kill during those fights. When he tries to kill, he uses his sword.
ArcticKaiju The Netflix animated series, Trevor after a monster disintegrates after being whipped, and the nearby people looking him with a "wait, what just happened", he just casually mentions "It's consecrated."
lemmingrad That's... what I said.
Matthew St. Cyr Seems we hit reply at the same time except you were a seconds sooner.
lemmingrad Seems like we both hit reply at around the same time, except you were a bit sooner... just kidding. But yeah; that makes sense. By the way, how good was the Castlevania animated series? I personally can't wait for season 2.
That Indian whip sword, now that's a nasty weapon
That's what Lord Silat used against Guts.
thats what i was thinking!
16:11
That moment when you forget harpoon guns exist :p
Not really though: harpoons are shot with compressed air, not shotgun shells (as far as I know of course)
@@mrblackx8665 Ok... I don't care what the method of acceleration is. It's not relevant to my point. But thanks for replying!
@@Indicteronomy it does matter, a longbow string or compressed air is a slower acceleration than gunpowder, which itself is much slower than an explosive not designed to burn slowly (such as C4) or the magnetic rails of a railgun. A harpoon may not survive being accelerated that quickly, even outside of water. It may also make it less accurate as harpoon guns are much more accurate than a firearm underwater past a few feet.
@@cm01 I don't see how that applies
Mr Black X You are thinking a handheld spear gun, a harpoon gun is mounted on a ship and does use a gunpowder charge.
I’m bummed that whip-swords don’t exist and also grateful. I wouldn’t be able to resist a whip-sword’s awesomeness... and would kill myself with one by accident.
Tiger H. Lore ACTUALLY they are real by way of ancient civilization and pop culture is finally catching up! But seriously it’s so unknown as it’s very hard to use and is very hard to use in a battle as it would be hard enough to train enough people skilled enough to wield it
I got a flail in my mid twenties.
... and hit myself in the back of the head with it. Scared the shit out of me, everything went dark for a few seconds.
Girl Buu that’s the danger. I had a friend slice his arm open with a bastard sword. He almost died. He was just practicing. Imagine having a whip with a bunch of sharp blades attached to it. If you were teaching a class on how to use it, you’d lose half your clients on the first day.
whip sword are tortured tool.according to some source i read in 2010.Make sense enough
Whip sword dont exist but there is flexible sword named urumi
I've heard that pommels are quite an impressive source of power. Therefore using one as a battery should work!
seven kings, seven sins, seven headed dragon, 7 feathers, 7 tails, SEVEN.
Stacie Stark: It's a magic number. Makes THREE look like crap! :P
W Winterheart 21 a magically complete number
I hurt myself trying to take a shower and get to work. A whip sword would last me all of twelve seconds before I was dead or maimed
16:07 he just invented harpoon guns
Also I love that Ranking Bass LOTR reference at the begining
The first person to say "it's just a game" gets 10 lashes. With a steel whip. :)
Tria Maxwell Panic! At the disco, huh? Hmmm...
It's just a fantasy
....game
raynaldo arlen k.eman me too thanks
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooKinkyToTorture
A whip sword with a mechanism like a tape measure
Generalboom Doom tapes measures are already a commercialised whip sword
Generalboom Doom brah just use the tape measure
I'm a carpenter...and I use a tape measure constantly everyday...it would be the next to last think I would choose to defend myself out of all my tools lol. The last being a pencil.
Broken Wave you can stab (in the eye) with a pencil. What would you do with a tape?
Tomasz Wota You've been watching too many movies dude
It's often struck me when considering (to put it in D&D/Pathfinder terms) exotic weapons, that the fact that they require specialized training actually is itself an advantage. Especially if you are from a technologically superior force battling more poorly armed enemies (Mughals vs Afghanis or Bengalis, alternatively an occupational force battling rioters or civilian militias), having weapons that they can't just pick up and use against you seems like a serious edge! The mob might be able to bring down one rajput with hurled stones but if anyone tries to pick up his urumi and swing it around at the remaining guards he'll cut himself to ribbons.
Hey lets leave the likes there
RAJPUT ARE NOT TAMIL THEY DID NOT USE THE WHIP SWORD, MODERN INDIAN MARTIAL ARTS ARE NATIONALIZED.
"Where there's a whip, there's a way!"
Thanks so much for starting with that. I never liked the animated movies much, but that song is just hilarious. This was a perfect reminder of it!
I have a solution...
Nanomachines.
Just keep waiting
Nanomachines, son!
@@psvrsanya1135 A weapon to surpass Metal Gear...
*rules of nature intensifies*
*NOPE*
*NOOOO NANOMACHINES*
Kojima would approve.
I would love to see you do a video focusing on weapons and armies from Mesoamerica and the Andes, such as the Aztec and Inca: There's very little content about New World civilizations and empires on youtube.
In relation to weapons he does have a video titled something like "weapons without metal" something like that, most of them are weapons from the native Americans (consider that when I speak of America I mean all of america not only about the north when I say native Americans.)
I would consider the Inca's a maze and that's it
The Inca may have been on the cusp of their own bronze age. Just imagine south american hoplites fighting under a rainbow standard in the mountain passes in the Andes.
True, I wrote this comment out of memory and thought there was more. My bad. Still one could find a pattern and similarity in these weapons which could give one an idea of what other tribes might have come up with.
BigHossHackworth the wakas and Tonapa Wirakocha would be pleased with the image.
I imagine that the most practical fighting style with a whip sword would be constant flourishes, and that might be the most practical application of a flourish. Still would prefer a quarterstaff though
I haven't used an Urumi, or seen one in action, but from what I know of from Indian martial arts is that it was likely used as a maiming weapon to take advantage of the soldiers' exposed forearms and calves to incapacitate them (these are the targets based on the armour design of most warriors). It couldn't have been used in close formations or on horseback for obvious reasons, however it would've been effective if used in both hands with the rowing techniques of many indian martial arts, that would prevent it from hitting the user by keeping it in continuous motion away from the user, as well as making it difficult to predict the striking pattern to for the opponent. In the martial art Kalaraipayattu that I had learned a bit of for a performance, the movements are so fluid that the weapons barely ever stay still. (I had to perform with a metal short sword and Dhall (a small shield similar to a buckler) with no armour as is tradition.
PS: I had to type this twice... THANKS RUclips AUTOPLAY.
When there’s a whip, theres BDSM Ska...
Wait noo
Wait yeeeeeeees
How else do you think that he knows it doesn't hurt to get hit with a chain that wraps around you.
50 Pommels of Grey.
You've already said it ;)
I can imagine blindfolded Skall in Shibari riding a triangle horse.
I feel like a Kusarigama is the closest in reality to the feasibility of a blade and chain weapon.
Yeah that what was thinking when he was talking about wrapping the chain around the sword and getting control ,but then you lose the use of the weapon you need something else and I yelled in my head the sickle part of the kusarigam... wished he had talked about it in the video.
I own one of those. I enjoy wielding it (for freestyle martial arts), but it requires a lot of muscle warm-up. If you want to see one in action, Ryu Hayabusa uses one in Ninja Gaiden 2.
Where is zabimaru from bleach, it's one of the oldest one's i think.
I was surprised he didn't give it a mention. Renjis bankai.
@@sbshaunb95 Given a choice of putting Ivy or Renji in I can understand. Besides which Zabimaru spends too much time torn to pieces.
the urumi was used on an episode of deadliest warrior, it produced pretty superficial cuts and substantially exhausted the user
What would happen if that user was trained using training methods evolved over many centuries of warfare and the training was for a decade or more. Not to mention the metallurgy for this tool is forever lost just like the training methods and so are the deadliest warriors who wielded them. This tool is from parts of India that made the damascus steel. Hard to objectively evaluate today. Check out Mamamkam movie on Amazon prime, portrays the historical context in which this tool was used.
@@justinjoseph129 we literally know how to create different kinds of steel with the exact characteristics we need, have incredible knowledge about biology and martial arts, and have a lot more technology than they used to.
We could recreate, or even perfect the steel they used, create new training methods for this weapon that are more effective, and overall just surpass all those people.
But this weapon is mostly useless, so it wouldn't be worth the decade of training and the days of forging, because it literally only deals non-lethal but painful cuts, and can't be used against any kind of armor, or in an enclosed area. If you only want to defend yourself, grab a knife or a sword. (Or pepper spray, if you are a normal person, a handgun if American)
If you want to show off, use any other weapon, maybe even a normal whip, and it will be the same.
If you want to fight in a war, then of course this whippy sword would be useless.
@@jairomenares2089 Maybe you are right. But look around you, compare with a month ago. Dont you think this arrogance and condescending attitude of we know "literally" everything, have "incredible knowledge", have a "lot more technology" is the reason why we are in this pathetic situation with this Virus. Compare for example New York State with the state of Kerala, India (where Urumi and its practitioners and the metallurgy existed). An objective comparison like population, population density, GDP, first case of virus detected, annual health department budget etc.. and then compare the loss of life. In kerala there are two lifes lost, in NY it is 6, 268 and increasing by the hour. Maybe we should all be a little humble and consider the possibility that maybe we dont know everything about everything. Coming to urumi, considering there are infinite permutation combinations possible in metallurgy and also considering its still called an art (as opposed to science) I would still think that it is not possible to come to a concreate conclusion unless we do a time travel into the past to verify facts. Certainly not a conclusion based on a TV show. Definitely not a TV show that did not involve the current practioners in Kerala,India or Srilanka or Tamil Nadu, India and their take on it.
Completely agree, nothing like a concealed firearm for personal protection if and when available and legal. But even then, if the defender is not able to clear a firearm jam or there is a malfunction then the resort is a backup knife. Even if there is no firearm failure, sometimes close contact means deploying a knife or dagger to first create distance and then deploy primary firearm. So at a time when there was no firearm, maybe Urumi served some purpose of asymmetric use of force by a well trained warrior against a small group of ordinary soldiers. I.e at that point in history, in those contexts.
justin joseph « Dont you think this arrogance and condescending attitude of we know ‘’literally’’ everything »
Except we know we don’t know everything, and the OP never said that we knew everything, or behaved as if he thought that, he just made the remarks that 1) we know incredibly more on most if not all relevant subjects than the people that invented the weapon being discussed, 2) modern alternatives are just plain better in most scenarii, and there are many ancient alternatives that are far more versatile.
By the way, the current situation proves that we are right to be as arrogant as you think we are, considering that without current technology, communication ,hygiene standards, hospitals, etc, the virus would’ve done proportionally far more casualties.
That we aren’t omnipotent and omniscient doesn’t prove that we aren’t much more advanced in... pretty much every field of study.
« In kerala there are two lifes lost »
Sure, as if :|
We know that the whole Indian subcontinent has subpar administration, data gathering instances, etc, not even mentioning corruption.
Can you even begin to imagine how many people died and the authorities have no idea because 1) they didn’t do the tests, 2) they weren’t reported, 3) they were infected but die of unrelated causes before the virus could get them ?
There is the coronoa virus, do you want to compare the average health of the Indian with the average health of the western people ?
More or less the only two illnesses that could be more prevalent in the western world than in India are obesity and age related illnesses, the first one is actually a problem caused by technology, though it’s something that Indians would’ve just as much if not for being poorer, and the second is because we live longer than you.
« Maybe we should all be a little humble and consider the possibility that maybe we don’t know everything about everything »
Done, we know that we don’t know everything about everything, doesn’t change that we have far better knowledge of biomechanics, martial arts and metallurgy than ancient Indians.
Or ancient Europeans for that matter.
« considering there are infinite permutation combinations possible in metallurgy »
Eh... First off : no, secondly : wether or not there is an amount of permutations much bigger than what we’ve explored, it doesn’t change the objective fact that we know much more about metallurgy than ancient Indians ? Furthermore, you don’t have to know every possible permutation possible to achieve similar properties to any ancient metal we could find.
You « just have » to analyse the structure, chemistry, etc, and find suitable materials to achieve similar results.
« still called an art (as opposed to science) »
Art isn’t opposed to science, especially not when we’re talking about arts like metallurgy, since those are art in the ancient sense of art, the sense of craftsmanship. Which is basically engineering. Architecture is an art. Will you say it’s not susceptible to scientific enquiry and refinement ?
« it is not possible to come to a concreate conclusion u less we do a time travel into the past to verify facts »
Fact : we know much more about metals, wether scientifically or empirically, than any other previous culture. That’s probable through the fact that, for example, we know about more metals, we know about their atomic structures, we know about their cristalline arrangements etc, and the fact that we can run much more in-depth test on the properties of the metal and alloys we know of than any previous culture.
Fact : we have much better tool, that range from the microscopic to tools so big they need buildings to operate, than any previous culture.
Fact : we know much more about biology and biomechanic than any other previous culture.
Fact : we know of much more martial arts, and we know them better (for the most part) than any previous culture (or point me to a culture that knew about Krav Maga, mixed martial arts, etc, + all the other eastern and western martial arts).
Which fact do we lack to assert that we know more about most if not every relevant factor, than the ancient Keralites ?
By the way : I’m not saying it was a bad weapon, or a good one, I’m just saying that purely the ground that OP based his conclusion on, and his conclusion about how we could do at least as good if not better with modern techniques, are right.
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Not all of Indian subcontinent is the same. There is disproportionately more difference between some Indian states than for example states in the United States. You should look it up. The obvious difference is language and culture but the more relevant one in this context(virus and urumi) is factors like education, male to female ratio, Human Development Index etc.. I only mentioned Kerala State where this particular tool (the name Urumi is a word in the Malayalam language). Life expectancy in kerala is comparable to the Amish Community, which is less than the United States(why?). www.washingtonpost.com/world/aggressive-testing-contact-tracing-cooked-meals-how-the-indian-state-of-kerala-flattened-its-coronavirus-curve/2020/04/10/3352e470-783e-11ea-a311-adb1344719a9_story.html
W.r.t rest of India, before the British came the GDP share of India was above 20%. It came to below 5% by the time the British left. Since you compared India to the west, it might make sense to know how it came to be m.ruclips.net/video/f7CW7S0zxv4/видео.html
I tried to understand your points and see some gaps in your perception of reality. In reality, where I live now sheltering in place the official advise is to stay home taking tylenol till I am not able to speak two sentences without losing breath and then call 911. Whereas in Kerala(not entire Indian subcontinent), the healthcare system will take people in and take care of them at symptom onset. Check it out, this is the objective reality.
Certain things are self evident i.e it should be evident to even fools, like “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” But it took from 1976 to 1868 for the fourteenth to free slaves. The civil war over something that should be evident to even fools. There will be more weath created but without creating more equitable conditions tragedies like this virus will impact the way it did. Not my thoughts, those of Waren Buffet in his last shareholder meeting. This anomaly is expressed in a different way in Carl Jungs memoirs carljungdepthpsychologysite.blog/2019/07/28/conversation-with-native-american-chief-ochwiay-bian/ this anomaly is the real reason for this high a loss of life and continuing loss of life here. Are obesity and lifestyle diseases really a problem of technology(or just a problem of technology).
With the Urumi, try to understand what I am saying. Why is there is no competition in Kalaripayatu unlike competition in Karate for example. It is not wise to discard available literature and folkore on the basis of an "episode of deadliest warrior". Just the steel itself is interesting en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel?wprov=sfla1 the manufacturing of Urumi must have been even more interesting involving different metals because of its requirements of being extremely flexible, sharp edges etc.. like the katana that has a sharp edge but shock absorbing core, in case of the urumi it also had to be extremely flexible and who knows what other requirements. The OPs observations about superficial cuts and user exhausting are both user attributed which was my point along with pointing out that it played a role in the historical contexts it was used for the purposes it was used for. Never said it will be effective today considering alternatives and time to train and such.
Take some time to understand my argument better than me which will help you better argue.
I laughed when you stabbed ”me” and said ”alright, you can have my sword”. That smirk smile killed me
Wow, didn't expect to see an animated Lord of the Rings reference, well, ever.
A good way to add stability in the sword form is to add interlocking hooks that connect a segment with the ones above and below it
Yea. If you're gonna make a terrible impractical weapon which is outclassed in every way by simple time proven designs - you might as well make it have hundreds of moving pieces too.
i think i saw that in Onimusha 3
Wouldn’t work
@@hideousruin How would you disengage the single hooks to use it as a whip then?
Okay... but Sword-chucks are still the ultimate weapon, correct?
I'm seeing nothing here to suggest that sword-chucks are anything but the most awesome thing possible.
Katrina Payne it took me a couple of seconds to fully comprehend what sword-chucks would do, now I feel like an idiot for seriously comparing them to sword whip
No not sword-chucks but lightsaber-chucks c:
Oh come on! Everyone knows Gun-Chucks are the future of combat.
Guys, he just really likes swords.
No no no you are all wrong....it's got to be blowgun-bo staffs.
When I saw "whip sword" I said to myself "If Signum doesn't get used/mentioned, even as stock footage, I'm going to be a bit upset."
I was not disappointed, thank you.
I admit I squeed a bit when I saw her.
I did not expect it at all, which made it all the better.
The day when a Nanoha character is relevant in a Skallagrim video. Interesting times.
Same!!!
An interesting whip-sword was depicted in the french movie Brotherhood of Wolves, aare you familiar with it?
Now french movies in general are different from US productions on a fundamental level, this one is definitely one of my favorite french creations.
Sim. Frischh only French film I've really seen but I loved it
I know that movie!
I loved that movie!
Just scanning the comments to see if anyone had suggested BOTW, can see you have :)
Glad i could be of help XD
Le Pacte des Loups, or Brotherhood of the Wolf
Every time chain/rope weapons are mentioned, i instantly picture a guy getting it tangled and then being executed.
As a kid I made a whip out of an old chainsaw blade.....it was very devastating to watermelons but was only functional with horizontal and vertical Slash's was not very versatile using like an actual bullwhip send it to come back around and hit the back of the hand painfully 😆
>chainsaw
>blade
So a bladesaw then? Otherwise you used chain, not "blade"
The urumi is a crowd control weapon. Say you are fighting 6 people and you pull out a urumi, then whip it like a regular whip. Btw it is now a primary weapon.
Aneesh Sahu it is now?! Did the irl devs patch it?!
It's funny you mention how hard it is to use whips, that's actually the main reason Catwoman uses whips. They're so hard to master that if someone takes her weapon away, chances are they can't use it against her.
And here I thought it was to go along with her BDSM theme.
Also that. Deeeefinitely a bdsm theme.
hears skal say "it needs to be a flexible yet hard material that also shrinks"......
presents solution by unzipping trousers......
gets ended rightly by pommel......
lmao
Maybe some kind of magnetic metal, that keeps the "broken sword" on some kind of string, attached together and after pressing a button, the magnetic field dissolves, making it a whip?
Electromagnet seems like a way to go.
That would be extremely heavy.
And imagine clashing swords with another opponent... it would just stick to your sword. As well as any other metal.
You can make magnets affect only things that are extremely close ez
That's a + :D Disarming 101.
Fucking magnets how do they work?!?
Not like that, mate.
Lava whip amazing idea if it somehow worked and didn’t kill everyone in a 10 foot radius
Loki how you feeling after Hulk threw you around like a rag doll
pyruleanfire demon wrong version of me I’m one ones that doesn’t exist in the Marvel universe although I will admit that Loki went about world domination call wrong you’re supposed to Make Ragnarok happen first then you go down and conquer earth
What about a "whip sword" with only two segments. The first makes up the bulk of the sword, and is just a fixed blade that can't do any swinging around, and the second is some length at the tip of the sword that can be released at an advantageous time for a whip like effect that happens to have a weighted, sharpened blade at the end of it. Then, while you would have some minor structural weakness from having a hole running down the length of the blade for the chain or cable to run through, you would essentially just have a regular sword when it comes to cuts and defense, so long as you aren't using the very tip for those purposes. And for a thrust, while the tip was retracted, it would be well reinforced by the blade behind it, so it should still be able to work fairly well without excessive tension on the connecting cable. Granted, it doesn't quite live up to the fantasy of a whip sword, but it seems like it would avoid most of the concerns you brought up, while still providing some potential tactical advantage, particularly if it were used primarily for one on one fights.
So, a bladed nunchuk without the main benefits of a sword OR the main benefits of a nunchuk
neat
No one likes sword chucks
Everyone else in this comment section: Either discussing how impractical they would be or meming them.
Me: So this video got me addicted to _Where There’s A Whip, There’s A Way._
Dr Bright , no chainsaw whips
Boy do I have a movie for you...
You don’t get to speak for me. I am doing none of those things, TYVM
Cracks whip in disapproval
Renji from Bleach easily has the coolest whip sword in history
Yeah... Renji's is definitely cool... But he kinda rarely used it from what I remember. Especially his bankai.
Then again, I was definitely spacing out after the Soul Society arc, so who knows how accurate my memories are...
Sterling Muse I'm only 60 episodes in. He just got his ass whooped by Byakuya, loved the hollow-snake Bankai though
KingBongHogger Oh ok. You're IN the Soul Society arc then XD In my opinion, most of the Bankai are awesome, but most of them also edge away from being actual swords. Believe it or not, Renji's is actually an EXCEPTION in how sword-like it is XD
Still good anime and cool whip sword yeah
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You forgot the grandmaster of all fantasy whip weapons: Lumiya'a lightwhip, that thing is crazy.
KaiserAfini doesn't it separate into like three whips from the handle?
Legion Nah, the light foil aka the energy portion can be turned on and off. The other whips can be lengthened and shortened with a mechanism.
KaiserAfini oh yeah. Sorry it's bee. ages since I dived into the eu
Don't forget about the Witch's Locks whip from Dark Souls 3, premium cancer weapon. Why get in close when you can stunlock them AND set them on fire? Lol
Don't forget the ferngi Plasma Whip.
If I remember correctly, the dark version of the Prince of Persia uses some sort of a bladed chain in The Two Thrones
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Yup, the daggertail. I was more expecting a Bleach (Renji's Zabimaru) reference in the comments but Prince of Persia is a very welcome surprise
Ah, the good old Daggertail.
And yes, I also expected Zabimaru to be here (it's a good example of whipsword).
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Yes, but that guys probably uses magic.
I'm surprised no one mentions the guy from the Bleach anime who has that crazy ass snake sword
2 people mentioned Abarai Renji and his sword, Abimaru.
That's 'the guy from Bleach', and his 'crazy ass snake sword'.
It needs to be spring loaded so it can pull back effectively, and the blade segments should have a trigger loaded lock mechanism so you can choose when to whip and when to stab, also only a short to medium sized sword would be able to do this effectively. Also the spring loaded part will allow for quick drawing of the steel cable and quick deployment of the chain.
No battery required, simple clockwork mechanics all you need to do is replace the parts when needed. Also a weighted tip for velocity the rest being much lighter for movement
Best weapon is a 5 watt laser...
Can't fight if your eyed are ruined.
Don't you mean a phased plasma rifle in 40 watt range? :)
Do you mean an apache helicopter
U can still fight without eyes. If u train hard enuf to hear the distance between u and ur opponent
Lee Zhen Wei how is that going to help when you've just been blinded? "Time-out! I need to hone my senses for a couple of years!"
Xanderqwerty123 What if your opponent was blind? Like kenshi from mortal kombat. If you do fight him, well goodluck with that
You should watch the opening cut scene for fire emblem three houses. It proves one of your points for the impracticality of whip swords.
Ah yes because games are always factually accurate
@@ntroscorpio2513 ...are you trying to argue that whip swords are in fact practical...because the games in which they appear are unrealistic?
@@ntroscorpio2513 I guess it would have been more accurate for me to say that it demonstrates one of his points rather than proves it.
@@ntroscorpio2513 That isn’t the point. They’re not claiming that games are 100% accurate (and truthfully, they don’t need to be, entertainment > realism), they’re just saying that there was one instance in a game where it accurately showed the flaw of a whip sword.
What about just a bladed whip? More of a whip with blades embedded along it than a segmented sword.
13:44 - that is the start of describing the Kusarigama. Also not an easy weapon to use, but is far more practical than a whip sword.
Sounds like a job for the Slingshot Channel
im going to be honest I tried recreateing a whip sword myself any means necessary
I ended up with a whip sword but the segments didn't rotate they could extend because I used self retracting springs many many self retracting springs
in order for it to extend you had to swing it quite hard.
it would retract on its own
I did extensive two hour tests each day for a week before the springs just gave out and stopped retracting and just became literally just a bladed whip
in addition I will say that though it worked at extending and retracting cutting was a major fail for the first two days because id get the blades caught on the object via the space between the segments
it was better off cutting when it was retracted even then it would struggle
infact I made two one where the segments grooved up the other segments grooved down
o--- the second was better but again they both failed by the seventh day
it was a fun project but was not worth the time or the effort to do
Disappointed you didn't bring in the Scorpion whip, which is basically a bull whip with hooks on the end, it's *gruesome*
However, for a magical solution the best option would be a living sword, metal that can grow and shrink and bend on-demand, solidify at the same rate, etc... Perhaps a desert warrior who wields a snake he forged into a blade that can move and strike on its own, poison its enemy, and use its own muscles to snap around and grant the user much more control of where the attack lands as well as much more power.
You can go a step furder and have the snake be a reanimated undead,have it infecte creatures and people with the zombie plague/curse abd you got yourself a awesome undead weapon
@@ConfyLizard Sounds like the weapon of a Rogue who somehow achieved lichdom, or just a Middle Eastern Lich.
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The part about wrapping around another sword gets entirely summed up in the FE3H opening scene
I imagine a effective one would be like tiny interlinked chakrams where like each link or the chain is a blade
The whip crack is probably the first ever man made super Sonic boom
Yep, it does that by making its tip (the cracker) exceeding the speed of sound and breaking the sound barrier. Which is why it will tear your skin open if it hits you when it does that.
I appreciate the opening reference to the return of the king animated film
Philip Hamel same
I swear that I saw that whip sword thing tested on Deadliest Warrior & they said it only delivered pretty shallow cuts to victims
Did you see the last fight of the french fantasy movie "Brotherhood of the Wolf "?
There is a sword whip vs two daggers fight.
That film is so awesomely ridiculous. And ridiculously awesome.
Damn, I saw that movie but I don't remember this fight
+spinnaker It was the climactic fight between Fronsac and Jean-Francois.
Wright805 when OP mentioned it, I guessed it was probably that, but I don't visually remember that
+spinnaker I see. I suggest watching it again if you have time/opportunity. It was a pretty cool fight scene.
You could probably make a decent whip sword using powerful electromagnets, but then your opponents weapon would stick to yours during combat
But that couldt be very useful, no need to entangle the enemy’s sword, just block one of his Strickes, and rip his sword away from him.
Uh, no...
Magnimopus
Why not ?
Put a neodymium magnet in your buckler and strike with a wooden staff
that buckler actually sounds prety viable, has sort of a batman feel to it I like that idea.
Strong electro-magnets might make a separating chain blade possible providing you can power them effectively without needing to carry a back pack full of heavy batteries, the downside might involve getting the blade stuck to yourself, your opponent or the environment.
The castlevania extending sword thrust is much more plausible if the sword is not truly flexible but acts more like the sword tip was a captive harpoon that could be fired forward using a blank round/gas charge but stays attached to the rest of the sword, once it reaches the limit of travel it hits a spring or similar recoil device which returns the blade back to its original position and chambers another round. Because the harpoon section can be built solid and to match the sword the qualities of a blade can be retained, might not be the best overall solution to all problems but being able to suddenly extend your thrust by a foot or so with enough force to pierce light armour would certainly be an advantage
That makes sense but if the opponent is also using a bladed weapon you're fucked regardless
Seems like this might attract everyone else’s weapon to it
You can make the blade part with material that's not magnetic. Only the core needs to be magnetic. It could work
I often find myself so delighted by the wit of your video intros that I've given the like before I've gotten far into the post. No different THIS time! You out did yourself with the Orc cadence! Lol!👏👏👏😂😂😂!
_(If you try this in Dark Souls)_
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Krystal Myth if you do anything in dark souls
Fun fact: The crack of a whip is nothing else than a small sonic boom, as the tip is accelerated to supersonic speed.
Nope. It's been discovered that it's actually the loop that causes the sonic boom, not the whip's tip. Even though the tip travels much faster than the loop.
That is a fun fact.
There is also the flagrum. Sometimes called the Roman Scourge. A type of flog with whip like thongs coming of a handle intersected by flagellum (bladed/spiked bits of bronze or lead and sometimes nails). They would be used to absolutely shred back flesh in public acts of punishment and humiliation. I think these would be most similar to fantasy whip blades (rather than the urumi).
I'm pretty sure this is the same thing mentioned in the Bible as being used on Jesus; a common term for it in English is a cat o' nine tails
When you were comparing chains, you said the smaller one would be less effective. Because when it wraps around you, only the tip hurts, and overall doesn't do much damage. I think that's the benefit of the "chains" being sharp blades, because when it wraps around your arm or torso it's slicing you up. A smaller chain like that is also less likely to stay wrapped around, since it doesn't have the big weight stopping it from unwrapping. But with blades, you would hope it would incapacitate your opponent when all the little edges dug into their skin (or parts of their armour). Not only would pulling it back cause more cuts around their body, but hopefully it could pull them off balance. So when you're comparing just a regular chain, the chain with the weight concentrated at the end is better; but if you actually had a whip sword, the effective part would be the actual blades instead of the chain itself. But all those points are still equally downsides, because any damage it can do to your opponent might end up happening to you... and since the entire length of the whip is bladed and much longer than a morningstar, you're probably in more danger wielding it than someone at range. Heck, even wrapping it around a close opponent might end with it going around them and flying right back at you uncontrollably.
"If it's 3d it's not Castlevania in my book" Instant like.
Me: Is a whip sword practical?
Skal: Nay nay
You just made my morning. This is great, this and a cup of coffee are a perfect morning.
Things that wrap around don't actually tend to loose velocity, the inertia of the circular motion stays the same while the radius of the circle decreases. In fact, usually velocity increases.
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Deadliest Warrior had some extensive testing on dead pigs, ballistic gel and other stuff with the Urumi and it looks like it can do some damage
HarshHome I remember watching that on tv, but now I can’t find it anywhere
I actually can't find it again either, but there's a playlist of DW episodes in full on RUclips but theres's more than 200 videos
Urumi have sharp sides and it has been used in wars {revolt}
HarshHome have you tried Daily
motion?
Yeah the little guy with the whip sword flunked out. The rest of the weapons were effective. Any tv show that set a Spartan against a "ninja" looses credibility to me.
Haha, I like the reference to the animated LoTR in the intro
The beginning cutscene for fire emblem three houses shows the problems of a whip sword as Nemesis fights Seiros
Real life, folks, not cartoons. JFC
@@vincedibona4687 First, game and not cartoon. Secondly, since Skal is bringing up a weapon (and its practicality) often seen in fiction, surely this commenter is justified in bringing up more instances where it’s featured, right?
Also, if you don’t care about what I’m saying and are rather annoyed, that’s alright (and I’m sorry). It’s just that I get ticked since it seemed like you were being insulting. This may not have been your intent, and again, I’m sorry.