Dear Mazda, Please Don’t Ruin The Next MX-5
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2024
- This 2023 Mazda MX-5 I'm driving today is an RF GT, making 181 HP and 151 lb-ft of torque from it's N/A 2.0L inline 4 Skyactiv engine. Rumors and concepts of the next generation MX-5 have been stirring for quite some time and although the 2024 model year brings important changes, we're ready to see the next one. Enjoy!
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So... are we all jumping off the bandwagon if they go EV?
Not necessarily. Miata is an institution; however, if done right, I think there's the potential for an EV miata to be something special. It wouldn't be easy. It would take a totally different attitude to EV design than any manufacturer has taken yet. If anyone could do it it'd be mazda. When they're making weird things work is when mazda is at its best.
Oh yes. I like the CR-Z and all but I imagine the weight would go up. I enjoy my 1991 NA6 just fine would love an ND2 though
Just stick to verified facts and stop feeding the crazy rumor mill. I know people do it for views and to stir opinion…
The next gen will offer ICE and hybrid.
Might as well stop the MX-5 model name if they plan on going EV!
Well, people would still buy the older models and not even care about the new EV model…
Things Mazda could say that would ruin our lives:
- The new Miatas will no longer have a manual transmission as an option.
- The new Miatas weigh a low 3.200 lbs!
- The new Miatas have turbo charged 3 piston economy engines.
- The new Miatas are being built by Volkswagen.
- The new Miatas share the same platform as the CX-90.
Actually building a larger coupe or convertible on the CX 90 platform could be awesome. Size of an LC 500 or 911, price it around 50,000 to 60,000. But this would be in addition to the Miata.
All Mazdas should have a manual transmission option.
@@Gregory-Masovutch Could you imagine a CX-90 with the turbo inline 6 having a manual? I sure could! 😁
"The new Miatas are being built by Volkswagen". Thank you, that made my laugh day ! 🤣
The turbo charged 3 cylinder could would suck some of the NA fun put of it. But the gr corolla shows a 3 cylinder engine could be fun
The ND is old? *Stares at my 1990 NA...
I was confused when he said “The Miata is old, this model dates back to 2015” haha 😂 I want a 90 NA so bad
08 NC+ PRHT : )
lmao same
I got a ‘23 bc I wanted something before this platform dies or goes EV to support a simple and lightweight manual sports cars
Well done! 👍
Same!
Same here!
Same here
I just wanted the back up camera.... thats The only reason I passed on a 2017.....
My last car was a 2010 PHT, and living here on the east coast, I'll never go back to a soft top again.
A miata without a manual is not a miata period
Amen brother
Correct
What ever mx5 Miata you have will be a classic hold on to your cars people ⛽️
That is why I bought 52K Km 2003 NBFL year and half ago.
UM, NO.
The Miata ND is one of the best aging sports cars we’ve ever gotten
Agreed.
This gen still looks modern and still has enough performance for what it is.
It's crazy cause the ND platform still looks great even during 2024! It is definitely timeless design and will be a classic.
@@jonasvalerolike a classic watch or camera, truly timeless and something you can enjoy for life!
I’m surprised there are people that are tired of the ND. Personally, I’d like to buy an ND2 one day, but for years the ND has been very expensive for the average consumer at $35k+. Used ones don’t seem to drop in value like sports cars of yesteryear.
An NE would likely be more expensive with a new hybrid drivetrain.
ND is still a great car today against the competition, without question. I'd like to think that they'd come down in value once the next-gen NE comes out but it would have to be equally or more desirable for that to happen
Yeah I don’t understand that, I think they’re one of the best looking budget-friendly fun cars out there on top of the driving experience (only experienced an auto ND2 unfortunately but it was still amazing!). I am an NA guy all the way but I want the ND2 badly.
Those who are tired of it will cherish them once Mazda changes the formula
I think that the mx5 ND2 (I have one as well)
Will only go up in value after an EV/hybrid mx5
Gas cars seem to hold up
Better in value in contrast to their electric and hybrid counterparts
And there is no single manual that is so good as the mx5’s Porsche boxter gears are too long Audi TT as well Subaru BRZ has still a fragile engine in comparison to the mx5 along with being more expensive
@@r.i.peperoniiiiroh9625
I'm thinking the same too. But I'm going with the NC even though it's much older. I like the looks and edges out the ND slightly in terms of practicality (IMO).
The problem is, there is absolutely no competition at all for a convertible.
I didn't gravitate to the Miata due to their startling good looks....
Although, the RF GT really does look fantastic in my opinion.@@RoadsUntraveled
It may be an old design, but I barely ever see it on the road . Just because it’s a weekend car. It’s still fresh to me.BEAUTIFUL ❤
I picked up a 23 soft top gt a few months ago. Gotta vote with your wallet. I've owned multiple cars over 500bhp and I have just as much fun in my little miata.
Lovely car!
Mazda has been building some of the best looking cars in today’s automotive world!
Their Soul Red metallic color is gorgeous!
I'm thinking that the SP hints at a new RX, and not MX at all. The MX needs to stay at ~ 30k to start. I'm thinking a car like the SP would be the next tier up and start around 45-50k.
At 7:58 "I'm going to judge the next MX5, very harshly, by how many cup holders it has." 🤣
Kinda funny, I can't even use those wretched elbow smashers.
I put one in the front passenger slot, and the other in a box on my attic marked (extra Miata crap).
Along with that useless hubcap removal/jack tool from the trunk.
Strange for a car that didn't come with a jack.....
I say keep the ND for another 10 years and just refresh it if needed. It's great the way it is.
Honestly if I could find an NA in great shape that would be my choice. Now as we see the ultimate sunset of the combustion engine preserving the purest of the pure driving experience is going to be the thing drivers will covet.
Nothing like the pop ups!
Correct
As much as I love how rotaries feel, it completely goes against one of the Miata's traditional goals of being reliable. The Skyactiv is largely perfect at this point.
Just my thoughts as well. A rotary or hybrid-rotary setup sounds like a terrible idea, unless the engineers have made some kind of breakthrough. Even then, your typical consumer is going to look at the powertrain, groan in distaste, and pick up a used ND for significantly cheaper.
@@Society.9 exactly. And even with better apex seal designs, they won't last as long as a piston engine. Think every 100k getting a full engine rebuild
Don’t worry they will only slightly modify with four doors, direct drive transmission , 1 000 pounds of weight on size 12 tires.
A real piece of
😂
With all the restrictions and limitations placed on car makers these days I am not ready for the next MX-5 because I fear it will be ruined. I hope to get a current MX-5 and enjoy that car for the rest of my life and then pass it on to my kids to enjoy.
i actually don't think the ND is near the end of it's life. i think the platform has until 2026 or 2027 until A refresh may be needed, just giving it some facelifts, maybe revising the rear end a bit and keeping the tech and features up to date is all Thats needed, and sure enough it seems that's exactly what they are doing. apparently the steering is getting revised on the ND3, and judging the reaction from auto journos about some of mazdas more recent electric racks, it gives me hope
i just got an mx5 2020 soft roof, wasnt sure but after watching your videos i thought it was the best option, 2024 model just changes the screen from 5 to 7 inches and rear camera and for that the price goes crazy high
A Mazda sports coupe with the skyactive turbo i6 from the cx90 at the same price point as the Supra would be amazing
At the start of the video I was going to mention the possibility of going hybrid, but it seems like you already did! As long as it comes with a manual, it's got the potential for more power with better MPGs,and people already push into the 40s with these. Could be awesome if executed correctly.
As long as it's manual and the road feel comes through the inputs, I'll be happy.
If its hybrid, it won't come with a standard, way too much engineering required.
@@JimsEquipmentShed maybe not, but it's okay to dream. 🤷
Will be getting an ND3 soon, I think Mazda has finally perfected the current Miata platform. One thing about Mazda, is they tend to launch new Miata’s in an imperfect state. ND1s are down on power and have transmission issues, NC1s lack forged internals and basic safety features.
I love the changes they made w/ the ND3, and how they obsessed over lightness. I would love to have one also. Would you want the soft top of RF?
@@dg7438 I’m 6’3” so I actually don’t fit in the RF😂 but the extra headroom in the soft top works for me so that’s what I’m getting.
Congrats! I had a 2020 MX-5 Club for two years and loved it. Only sold it for a new experience. Now I'm wanting back in the Miata so I've got a 2024 on order. It's supposed to be built on 3/15, with an estimated arrival date sometime in May (just in time for the summer driving season). Really looking forward to getting back into the MX-5 and am curious to see and feel all the changes Mazda has made since I owned my 2020.
Honestly, the soft top will be a much more open air ride, I kinda miss my 2010 PHT, that car was the best of both worlds. But the RF GT is just a great looking car, so I made the sacrifice to true open air driving.
I'm only 5'8" and feel like 5' 9" might be a bit much for the RF. ;-)@@245tfox
ND2's have forged internals?
I know you know this but I’m really surprised as a car guy that the GR86 would not have been the first car to come to mind as competition? 😅
I was thinking the same thing while editing haha. Probably because I still haven't driven the new one.
@@RoadsUntraveled same here. I have a fear I’ll really like it and it will suck $40k from my wallet. 😬
Well the GR86 is a 2+2, and not a roadster. So I can see it not being thought of right away.
The gr86 isnt direct competition its an alternative if u need more space. The mx5 is if u want no compromises on fun, n roof down.
Well, for stats, just like the BRZ, I would never consider anything that doesn't have a roof that gets out of my way.
The RF isn't great in this respect, but it's still open. I was willing to go half way for such a great looking car.
I have an RF GT.
Where are you from? I see you’re using Celsius. Do you think the Miata can be driven all year round if it’s a soft top, and could it serve as a daily for my girlfriend and me? Mainly city driving and occasional trips?
Canada! If you've got snow tires on during the winter it would be tough not to crack a few laughs during the ol' daily commute. Trips? Depends how much stuff you want to bring haha. There is no glove box, and the trunk is tiny. Only big enough for a couple of backpacks
My wife and I just completed a seven-day grand tour of NZ's South Island in an ND2 - two soft carry-on sized bags plus separate coats and hiking shoes all in the boot. There is a glove box (between the pax) and another cubbi-hole behind the driver's seat (RF) or both seats (soft top). We stayed in B&B/motels. Awesome car perfect for road tripping and, yes, it's no motor home size-wise but it sure can pass them.😀
What I really like about this car is the 2L engine and the manual gearbox and I think it's my favorite thing about it and I think it'll be a great addition if they keep it exactly like this and add a turbo to this 2L engine. it'll be perfect for me👌
What I really like about this car is the 2L engine and the manual gearbox and I think it's my favorite thing about it and I think it'll be a great addition if they keep it exactly like this and add a turbo to this 2L engine and it'll be perfect for me
These cars seem to sell quickly new and used in spite of being "old". I'm about to buy a red & tan interior '19 RF Grand Touring with 19k miles this week for slightly under $27k. 😁
That’s a sweet deal for the MX5
Mazda is looking into solid state batteries for weight savings.
As much as I agree with you, I have a strong feeling our calls will be on deaf ears.😑 Who's ready for a 4500 pound EV miata?🤢
I’ve seen a couple down here FL on that sand color lol. It’s not the most exciting but it’s a nice color imo.
I heard from my dealer 2026 is the new model change. A little longer. I own a 22 GS Soft Top. Love it.
Be careful what you wish for if you want it to change. Hybrid to torque fill might be really good - but you’re likely over 2,500 lbs then. Overall, if they make material changes I think it’s more likely they take a step away from the vision of a light fun roadster vs a step toward something better
I hope they make it just a little bigger to accommodate drivers over 6 feet tall
I had a 21RF GT and now have a 22. I would get another if something happened to the 22.
It be a four door fast back with direct drive transmission with a 125 driving range and weigh
3000 pounds and a 100 extra pounds of wiring to help its reliability! You just cant stop progress. I will be wider so the three hundred pounders can enjoy the frill of a Miata
just like Porsche did to its line. It is hard to believe that they early 911 had only 125 horsepower. The Miata ad a Miata Pand America model.
Is this a 2024? the centre console screen looks like pre-2024.
Putting two of those new small rotaries making 160~170 will make the new NE1 perfect.
I think it’s high time they finally addressed the appalling body corrosion issues and made an mx5 that’s as durable as they are mechanically reliable and durable.
Ain't gonna happen.
Well this is a surprise, according to Mazda EPC (Electronic Parts Catalog) Europe the 2024 MX-5 (Miata) is actually an NE model code, not ND3, the ND no longer exists.
Needs a VIN Check to verify, Mazda EPC is not usually wrong.
I have a mx5 soft top grand touring 6 speed is there any other transmission lol. Btw I am old enough to know what a targa top is that’s to me that’s what the RF is. Mazda what’s up with your colors geez this a fun sports car get with it. I love my car and it will be for sale when I leave this world. ZOOM ZOOM.
I always have faith in Mazda.
.... And then the CX-70 was announced
What? A 2-row CX-90 made you lose faith? Wow 💀
Electric supercharger style hybrid would be sweet and simple with only a little extra weight
Exactly.
Actually, i have a 2016 and it’s still fun every drive. I share your worry about the next gen.
I bought my ND RF Club in 2019 because I knew it might be one of the last of its kind. I truly want to keep this car for a lifetime. It will probably sound very silly to most people, but I really fear manual transmissions being phased out - I learned and made the switch because I have pretty serious ADHD, and find a manual much more engaging to drive; you can’t get much more engaging than this car. It keeps me more focused on the road and less likely to do stupid stuff like looking at my phone while driving. Ironically enough, I stopped getting speeding tickets after buying a sports car. Driving stick literally enables me to be a better, safer driver - and there are studies that back this up. I’ve driven electric cars before and the lack of feedback, responsiveness, and driver participation is liable to make my mind wander… or literally put me to sleep on longer trips. I hope companies like Mazda never totally cave to consumers who just see vehicles as a way to get from point A to point B with the most comfort and least friction possible, people like me are always going to crave a more connected experience.
The BRZ/GR86 twins had been trying to beat the NDs for quite while now, and many agree, they have not really done so yet, despite their now higher horsepower and recent body refresh......
Just goes to show that "Miata Is Always The Answer!"😊😊
If they're able to create a turbo 3 skyactiv that is anywhere near as fun or as wild as the one in the GR Yaris, I'd be completely okay with them going to a 3 cylinder engine. It would make the Miata lighter, anyways!
i will be in the market for a new sports car in 5yrs. im currently saving some cash. i always preferred affordable japanese sports cars from Mazda and Toyota. at the moment i am considering the next MX5, the MR2, or even the rumored RX7 or RX9..deal breaker for me will be price.
i agree, but it’s so hard to chose a miata when even the used market holds such high values for these later model cars. Makes me wanna just take my money & spend it on twice the car, every time, regardless of practicality
They've hold their value exceptionally well. It does make me worried about the cost of the next gen out of the gate.
I almost did the same thing but went with an ND in the end. I can only afford to insure one car and I can't always have it in the shop and spend insane amounts of money on replacement parts when it is. That automatically rules out basically everything European like BMW, Porsche etc. American muscle cars have come a long way in the handling department but still have nothing on an MX-5. The ND is just the best all rounder for reliability, performance and cost to run in my opinion.
Lift off over steer ? I'm nearly 60 and got my 1st RF 3 years ago.
Just ordered a 2024 mx5. If the next gen isn't shit I'll probably trade it in.
It'd be a smooth segue to go into NE as electric - N"E". Then once the battery trend dies, the next generation will come back as fossil fuel powered N"F".
Mazda, Please make a RF version that allows operation with a rollbar installed 🙏
I predict the hybrid miata will be a maximum 65 lbs heavier since it will be a mild hybrid and not a plug in
The NEXT GEN , Better not be a electric automatic, or a hybrid
If Mazda had balls they would keep the mx-5 as analog as possible.
LOL THE ND is old? Give me a break man I'm still saving for an ND since owning an NA and NB as a daily since 2003. I don't care what anyone says - the ND is NOT old. I am not interested in hybrid/electric. After that we all know the Miata will be dead. But the ND is still the hot ticket and will be for a while.
Anything Mazda does beyond the ND3 will likely erode the formula. Sure...maybe the 2016 styling could be updated, but the driving dynamics of the ND is pure goodness.
Give me a nc miata, a renesis rotorary with a lsd and i'd be happy. True it's not a proper rx, but mazda wants to do a quasi ev with it as a generator for the battery/electric motor.
so you want an rx8?
Why not just make a slightly bigger version of the MX-5 and call it the MX-6 and use their new 6 cylinder inline motor they now have on the CX-9, but tuned to be more powerful and more responsive to be appropriate to be in a sportscar. And it would then directly compete with BMW's roadster. And please Mazda, do not ever kill the manual transmission!!😮
Dear mazda: add 2 extra back seats in the convertible. it will be the only japanese budget 4 seats convertible
I have an ND2 2.0 RF in red. Its the best little car Ever for me.
perfect spec nd mx5 bro
As well as a 4 cylinder manual, I just hope for better styling. NA, NB and NC had clean, tight design. ND has a cartoonish, cluttered exterior style
All the people outside of Canada thinking to themselves , what the hell is a tuke ?
Would you say beanie? We're strange up here.
Toque
So much for light, simple, and affordable. Get ready for heavy, complicated, and expensive.
Why to even entertain rumor mills? We simply don’t know anything about next gen production car
That funny about the color, I think it’s great,
All just rumours at the moment the MX5 will be around for a while yet. I’ve ordered the 2024. It’s internal combustion engine.
True Red 2006 NC1 soft top 6-speed -- perfection! ND was designed by a 10 year old with crayons. Mazda lost its way a bit in 2016. Don't compound the problem with an "electron guzzler."
MX-5s aught not be about screen size or number of speakers. Performance items only please. As for that sand color, MX-5s are tiny cars, visibility to other drivers is limited, having the car in a camo color puts the MX-5 at risk. I drive my 2016 MX-5 year round in New Hampshire, I keep a set of snow tires on rims for that. As for brakes, I put a set of Wilwoods on it, the base floating calipers are heavy and don't like salt, they rust and seize.
This car is fine; Mazda needs to keep an automatic transmission available on this car and NOT increase the price! This car was meant to be affordable, not expensive!
I love my NC3 Club. It’s my favorite Miata. I really love the NB too and will soon be adding one to the stable. I don’t care for anything after 2015.
No we’re not ready for the next one. The ND is just fine.
Affordable… these days are long gone in Europe. Not hard to spec the soft top 2.0 up to 50.000€ with Recaro, BBS, Bilstein, Brembo, Bose… for a hobby car that’s quite expensive
In belgium a full spec will set you back about 32000€ I have a nd2 30th
What's the beeping I'm hearing while you're driving? A safety Nanny warning of lane departure? That crap HAS to be defeatable, right?
Has anyone ever owned both an S2K and and Nd2 and preferred the nd2? Trying to get out of my brz and into one of the two of these, Miata seems more sensible it being a new vehicle and all.
You ready to pay the S2K rarity tax + the tax on anything you need to modify it if you wish to? 😅 the Miata will be the closest you will ever get in the modern market to the S2K. I chose the Miata, and I never bothered to look back once I did.
The S2k is quicker and more buckled down to the road. I'd go S2k but they're getting expensive.
@@RoadsUntraveled A supercharge kit and Fab9 tune should quell that.
Get an NB2 01 or 02....had the VVT that came in 01 for full rev range power, but did not have the downgraded suspension that came in 03 for the rest of the NB years. We have an 02 base 5 speed manual silver NB2
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 my brz makes 340 wheel with a full tank of E, I wouldn’t mind a reduction in power traded for reliability, but there’s no way I could go that much down in power that would come with an NB.
when he said the nd px-5 is old i just going to see pricing for this thing because if its under 10k ITS A STEAL
Its difficult to produce a better mx5 than the ND.
The ND is not old, this is another millennial viewing anything older than a day as old. Worrying about the future is a waste of time. I enjoy my 2023 GT and that is more than good enough for me at nearly 62.
Porsche Boxster is going EV. Miata should go EV? In Japan, EV is not popular at all. It's very difficult to get EVs charged in Japan. Mazda may go EV for US market but not for domestic (Japan) market.
I dont know. The current state of EVs seems to be everything the Miata is not- big, heavy, and numb. Mazda has gone 30 years sticking to the formula so I have faith that if anyone can pull if off its them
It is a great colour, sometimes green, sometimes brown. White and grey are so boring, many cars on the street like this
Nice video
Thanks!
will a new generation bring down NDs prices down?
This part was cut from the video, but it probably would. Only if the new one is still manual and lightweight though!
Boring and old for this guy but I just ordered my 2024 mx5 and cant wait! Its new to me 😂
The next one will be a hybrid, according to Mazda. Most likely heavier and feztooned with expensive to repair electronic doodads...... so the present MX-5 might be the best one; ever....
How are they going to have a rotary start and stop all the time... I think they're going to do something else with it
They currently build the MX-30 hybrid overseas using the rotary as a generator so seems they've figured the start/stop out. I've never driven one but I can't imagine Mazda would sell something less than smooth.
Mazda needs to put a rotorary in a mx5 coupe with a limited slip before they use it in a quasi hybrid ev.
they did a good job or ruining the mx5 with the ELEC STEERING!
Still better then a S2000
I won't even take a dump on an EV let alone buying one.
I'm laughing at this whole thing. To actual Miata people, the Miata died in 05 with the NB. End of Story.
U sound like boomer karen
The next mx5: 2 cyl turbo
Hard to believe its been so long. Still looks great. They need to give the next one more power
I disagree, it isn’t a necessity for this chassis and what it sets out to do.
@@shortstories3349 Jeremy Clarkson would be disappointed 😔
im with you. 180hp is fine for the cars intended purpose. @@shortstories3349
To me the biggest issue with the ND is that you can get a c7 Stingray z51 with a Carmax 5 year warranty for the same price. And I know that’s often the case with a new car vs used, but in this case the stingray is just so much more car that it’s hard to ignore. And if you wanna talk about “pure” driving experience - I love the ND, but the c7 is (I think) the only modern sports car that combines an NA v8, RWD, manual transmission, open roof, and being somewhat lightweight. It’s just hard to beat that driving experience.
bro talks like Mazda isn't a company that has to make money at the end of the day
Love that color. So pretty and unique
I like it to.. Most people rag on it..calling it ugly beige
I like the color too, just better on a CX-50 haha
True, certain colors are more complimented based on size and shape.@@RoadsUntraveled
$46,000 is wild better off buying a used bmw m2
Improve interior room.