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Had an Audi S3 and fed up putting my foot down on British roads for just 5 seconds. Bought a 1.5 MX5 ND and now I have a blast keeping my foot down. Also flies through roundabouts and puts a smile on my face. Smiles are better than HP.
Had the same shift when changing from a 200+ hp Volvo to a Lexus CT. After changing tires from utterly crappy eco-Bridgestones to a set of sporty Michelins I discovered this “hybrid nothing” became a very grippy and well balanced hatchback. Quick? Not. But with plenty of grip and fantastic on-the-edge behavior. Pity Lexus didn’t built the CT300 version they initially planned with 2.0 turbo petrol…
this! engines that you can actually fully use are so much more fun to drive. everything above, i would say, 300hp is only really fully usable on a race track and you will always have the annoying feeling, that you dont use all of your potential. (or you do and go to jail lol). nible handling, slightly above average hp and a tight road with good weather is the most fun you can have, period.
I've got an ND2 and I like having Android auto on it, but I agree that that screen will age much, much worse than the rest of the car. I'm convinced the ND will be a future classic, and that screen will date it.
Drove both the 1.5 and 2.0 before going for the bigger engine. The ND2's 2.0 is just as revvy and the extra torque is useful. But the point of this car? Not to be a rocketship but to put a smile on your face at sensible speeds. And boy, did Mazda achieve that.
When the ND1 first came out, the 2L felt like it was running out of air before 6k. The 1.5 by comparison holds power out to nearly 8. Earlier model years, the choice was less clear, because one did not rev like the other.
@@AustinPerduemy 2017 2.0 ND1 doesn’t run out of breath at 6+k, far from, it just keeps happily going, apparently though the nd2 is better over 6k, I mean that’s mainly the revisions they did, forged the engine to support the higher rev limit and sorted out some transmission issues
@@DoktrDub Dyno charts say otherwise. Torque curve begins falling at 5400rpm. Power peaks at 5800. It revs higher but torque continues to fall off faster the higher you go.
In Japan, the mountain pass (touge) or non-motorway roads have speed limits between 40km/h~70km/h (24mph~43mph) - thats the environment where this 1.5 version of the ND makes a lot of sense. Unless you don't mind getting caught by the police, you'll never have more fun if you have a Porsche Cayman GT4 6MT when that car's 2nd gear tops out at 131km/h (82mph). Whereas with these 1.5 NDs, you'll probably have more involvement by shifting up & down, whilst enjoying the process of acceleration due to the lesser power + torque. If you watch the POV driving videos in Hakone Turn Pike, Ashinoko Skyline, Izu Skyline and Usui Touge, you'll probably get an idea how lightweight cars with short gearing makes more sense than say a 600hp R34 GT-R.
@@pureroadster59 Hey man, this is a small world! Been a subscriber of your channel for a while haha. Love the induction note of your ND (almost like ITBs!). The shortshifter and the infotainment delete you did looks awesome too. Keep up the great work!
100%. I have an 86 and ive learnt crucial racing skills like heel toeing and downshifting at high rpm as well as practicing my shifting technique while revving out from 1-3 whilst daily driving it without compromising mine or fellow motorist's safety all because the car is slow. Its set up so well to give you the solid foundations of sports driving- clutch is short and medium weight, the knob is perfectly positioned, the gauge cluster is very efficient enabling you to see necessary information on one circle, the seating position is perfect all without making the car expensive. I actually would recommend people even with a high budget to buy an mx5 or 86 brz, or even an old s2k, fn2 type r, celica to learn how to drive for performance whilst commuting on public roads before spending over 100k on a 500hp+ monster which youll only be able to unlock its potential on track AND with all your track driving fundamentals well practiced to prevent totaling your new monster.
The same thing happens on many roads in the world, in Mallorca, Spain, on most mountain roads you cannot go above 4-5,000rpm in 3rd gear, then 1.5 with some easy mods 140cv~ are enough
I have the 1500 RF as my retirement car and it does 45.8 MPG and flies round roundabout and back roads beautifully , but the main thing is it's just FUN.
I gotta say, that interior is fantastic. Nothing loud, nothing unnecessary, just the bare minimum needed to make it usable. If nothing else, I love that about this car.
Yes,it is enough. I'm tired of the race for big HP figures,I want a little car with a maximum of 200ish HP that you could happily throw into a corner without fearing for your life.
Way back in the early 1990s I drove one of the very first US Miata cars and was very, very impressed: everything a small sports car should do, no impediments, and a lovely manual gearbox.
I've had 2 MX5's and whilst they aren't blistering fast, aggressive or tail happy under power I always enjoyed the drive and it always put a smile on my face. That along with Mazda reliability and cheap running costs means they should never be overlooked if you're in the market for a 2 seater soft top. You don't have to break the speed limit to have fun in a car or at least that's what my MX5's taught me. Sure a Porsche or a F-Type would stir the soul more but they also cost a lot more to run. Great to not see you turn your nose up at the venerable MX5 like many do.
Coming from experience, I owned and F type S, they are fast but not as fun to drive, better for long cruising because of the larger chassis and setup but no honestly, the Mx5 stirs my soul more.same with mk5 supra, fast.. a bit more fun than the f type in my opinion, but not as fun as my mx5 ND1 which also cruises quite nicely for its smaller figure, there’s more wind noise at speed but it’s a bit quieter than the soft top it seems, I got an RF but did test drive the rag top, both are fine in that regards. They also can get quite tail happy but you need to grab it by the scruff of the neck and work it, which again, feels much more exciting.
My daughter has the same 1.5 model. I never thought it would be any good until I drove it. WHAT A BLAST now the only challenge is borrowing it from her occasionally
The MX5 doesn’t need lots of horses. It makes you smile from ear to ear on those nice twisty roads. It is so much more fun to drive! I love driving my NC. Wish I’d bought it sooner.
My wife has owned a 2017 1.5 ND MX-5 for the last six years previous to that she had a 2.7 Porsche Boxster. Every time I ask if it’s time to change her car she says that she loves the car and will never change it. It is serviced every year and I can honestly say that nothing has ever gone wrong with it and she uses it everyday all year round.
There is a video of a retired American racing driver testing the 1.5.He concluded that "base is ace". I have the 24 year soft top being delivered to Spain in the next 3 to 5 months subject to parts ,pirates and rockets.Looking forward to covering the Michelin green routes and canyons without hurting wallet or license.
I own a 2017 ND1. Before buying my one, i drove the 1.5L and it was such a fun car to drive. I loved everything about it. The engine was such a peach! Loved how it revved, such a light flywheel and you can just drive it so hard everywhere. I had a mk7 Fiesta ST at the time in which I thought was a fun car, but I was wrong. I forgot everything about my Fiesta ST after that. I sold the ST a year later and bought my ND. When I first got my ND-1, I actually thought the 1.5 was the more fun car. Yes, it is smaller. But I loved the character of the engine and preferred it to my 2.0. I haven't driven the ND2 yet, but I really don't have a problem with the 1.5. It's fast enough, but more importantly. It's just such a fun package.
Great review. While I've driven one, I've never owned one. But would definitely consider it. I've seen countless reviewers wanting to hate on this little car, but by the end of every review, they're sold in it. Besides the handling, the convertible top, the 2 seater configuration, the balance, etc; many people seem to forget the ultra-reliability these things have. These can be a very long term fun-car.
I nearly bought a Porsche Cayman. I had it independently inspected and the bill to get it fully sorted was over 5k. My MX-5 was far far cheaper, has been totally reliable, and I don't need to have a load of money set aside for an engine rebuild.
JayEmm, it’s so nice to see you enjoying the MX-5, as so many of us do. Personally, I think of it as arguably the auto world’s best kept secret. Cheers!🍻
Mazda's are just brilliant. Even in my CX-30 the controls and responsiveness are all brilliant. Would love to pair it with an MX-5, great two car garage
My son had an ND 1.5 and loved it and now has a BMW E82 125i. To add to what you said about the 1.5 and the American story, Mazda designed the ND for the 1.5 as is a similar power/weight to Mk1. The 1.5 lighter better handling in the front (mid engined) mx5 which goes back to their obsession with weight. Remember the NA mx5 was based on the lotus elan and colin chapmans theory "simplify and add lightnes" , I think the 1.5 is the purest and easily fast enough, 0-60 8.3 and 130mph top speed. Although slower than the elan so the 2.0 184 more or less matches the elan as it was lighter. Great fun cars. My son and I have an r53 mini cooper s for fun which will be good when restored 😂
Bought my 2016 ND1 1.5 Sport Nav in Ceramic Metalic with Sand Nappa Leather 6 years ago for £14,500 cash without ever driving a single MX5, I just knew I wanted one from all the reviews, paid in full over the phone, the Mazda salesman thought I was mad, turned up to collect it 2 days later and still own it to this day. Only mod i have done is Cobalt exhaust and boot spoiler that comes standard with the Sports Recaro model. Only drive it on the weekends, has just over 20k miles on it. Have driven Ferrari's, McLarens, R8 and 911's, but imo they are too fast to get the most out of them on british b roads. Also got my fix of acceleration from many Sportsbikes over years, so more than happy to drive the MX5 flat out when time allows me. Nice review JayEmm!
@@MMR11134 Alot of 2/3 year old ND1's were around the £15k mark back then and haven't really lost that much more since, but saying that I have noticed in recent months that the prices on these are really starting to drop now, some with high mileage are sub £10k. I also think the price of a 2024 ND3 is alot more than what my ND1 would have cost brand new back in 2016.
OMG. I had this very car in this spec and colour - 17 plate! I had it for years and then sold it as I needed a bigger car. This car is sublime, a peach a stunner! 1.5l is more than enough. 30mph felt like I was going at 60mph and its punch in the low rev-range. Great, great car and really thinking getting another again! I have not even watched the review yet!!! Bravo
2.0 in the wonderful roads of Wales and Scotland, foot flat out is incredible for our narrow roads. I have a 458S and I absolutely love all of my MX5s, throw it where you want and position it how you like on narrow wet roads
No! I much prefer the 1.6! Much more rev happy engine and in my opinion you made the right choice. Although I must admit the 1.9 alloys are just perfect :)
1.6 is the better package. 1.9 might be a better mile eater, but it's the 1.6 every time for a B road blast. My cousin had red white blue all 3 cars at the same time (3 being the cabriolet).
I bought a mx5 1.5l rf......its a great car to drive. Tested the 2litre and I honestly preferred the 1.5l.....it sounds amazing,real grunt and pretty nippy. All you could need on UK roads. The handling is amazing and you can really chuck it about. No boot space atall,and not alot of storage inside but you don't buy it for that. It really is the most fun I've ever had and everytime I start it up it makes me smile. Which is a rarity when owning a car. I have the soft top hardtop which I can highly recommend. When not sunny it's a normal car when the sun's out roof down. So if thinking of getting a small nippy fun car to drive then get yourself a Mx5 rf. You won't regret it. Oh and im not a hairdresser or a nail technician either!!!
I used to own a 1.5 ND MX5 before I got my E82 125i (because of your review!) and I can say its an absolutely brilliant. Amazing fun and never fails to put a smile on your face, but just not that usable as a daily driver. Definitely recommend for anyone looking for a fun car
I completely agree. After five Porsches and one Ferrari, I bought a new 2 L ND last year. My last Ferrari dealer service cost was £5000 so I thought it was time to downsize. The Miata is great fun and a fraction of the running costs. I can drive it anywhere at any time without worrying about the car getting damaged, scratched or something expensive breaking.
I also looked at Caymans, and decided I didnt want the outright cost for a new one, or maintenance bill for an old one (one day maybe). So I took a chance and bought a GT86, and I love it, much like the MX5 it really doesn't need to be any faster on the public highway. More power would just mean it gets less fuel economy on my daily commute 😅
I wanted the 86 for the hardtop and spare tyre, but chose the MX-5 for the better power in low rpm driving and the more supple suspension. Still have it 9 yrs later.
So nice to see a review of the 1.5. Everybody else seems to have focussed on the 2.0-litre, probably because that's what the press car fleet is equipped with.
Kudos to you JayEmm ... as a proud owner of a 1500cc ND Miata ... I have looked at all your videos on this car (albeit 2k cc engine) prior to buying and you did influence me pretty heavily ... my car does seldom leaves me wanting more performance wise ... luv it.
I've got a 2.0 ND1, and I might have actually went for the 1.5 if it were available in the US. I envy the higher redline and revvier character. I also feel like the ND1 accelerates so well, especially at low RPMs, that I would actually like a little less power so I could drive it a bit harder without breaking the speed limit. I also love that simple radio in-place of the infotainment system; we didn't get that option either in the US.
I own a 1.5L ND with JDM spec meaning I have all the fancy options like SatNav, leather seats, Bose audio, blind spots assist etc. I also own a Lexus ISF and I would say the ND with the 4 cylinders is always more fun to drive. Also I’m 6 feet 1 and have no problem sitting in it 😊
I am 6-3 and I have to bend my neck if I wanna sit in it. Both NC and ND. It was my dream car and I just don't fit. Breaks my heart! I wish Toyota would make a cheap convertible like a GR86 soft top or smth
@@mito7623 Think about putting different seat. You might also try to do something with the mounting points of the seats. Ask a guy who repairs the fabric/works with car interiors. Good Luck.
1.5L, soft top, manual. You don’t need more. It’s lighter, with perfect softer suspension. It handles exactly like a ‘60s Alfa Romeo: sitting on the rear to add grip out of a corner. Pure driving magic on any windy road. Always with your right foot to the metal. It’s a car for someone who loves to drive for real.
I bought a 2018 Z Sport 2.0 recently and I am absolutely livid. I should have bought an MX5 ten years ago! They are sensational. I too was on the hunt for a Boxster but the Mazda gives all the fun with none of the fear.
As an ND2 RF sport nav owner, I'm 6ft1 and fit in alright. Its slightly tight but I don't feel cramped. Love the car, it's like automotive therapy. I've never driven the 1.5, but I've heard good things about it. Some say it captures the essence of the original car more in ND1 guise. The ND1 2.0 lacked the urgency at the top end, the 1.5 was more rev happy. Also that carbon overlay by the window switch is standard, I have it on mine. The eternal blue is one of the best colours for the car imo
Great cars. I'm on my 3rd (NB, NC and now ND) I think the 'Gram Strategy' was also an excuse for penny pinching and, although the car has a solid feeling chassis, trim, carpets and paintwork are not of the same quality as previous cars. Having said all that, the ND, even as a 1.5, is still a great car. It is all the things you want from an open sports car and has all the things you need for driving on the roads of today.
I love every moment of driving my 2018 ND. Its simplicty (only a Nav spec) is part of the appeal, not much tech to interfere with the drive, light weight, fun to rag around. Its so good i am always looking for an excuse to drive it. And certainly as practical as the other halfs Fiat 500 it replaced 😂
You need to try the 2.0. Mine is an ND2 with 184 bhp. I agree the electric rack is not as good as the NC's hydraulic rack. I'm a fat bastard as well (120kg), but I fit MX5s perfectly! I started with a new NB in 2004, traded that after 3 years for a new NC electric roof which I ran for 14 trouble free years. In 2021 I traded that for a new ND2 soft top, which is the best of the lot. Mine has leather and all the toys, being a top of the range spec. Including Bilsteins and an LSD. Heel & toe is how I drive it all the time - it's just so natural in this car! I didn't go for the RF because it's a targa top. People who deride the MX5 as a hairdresser's car just don't get what a lightweight sports car can offer that big heavy far more powerful sports car never will. And MX5s don't break, and you run them for Focus money. I paid £30K for mine back in 2021, less £2K to take the PCP, which I paid off almost immediately. So £28K for a top notch 2.0 ND2 in soul red! I love it! If you are ever in Cheshire and have insurance for it, you are welcome to drive mine. Vince
They’ll call anything by a stereotype, audi tt, tts and ttrs… hairdressers cars, or a golf in a frock back from the original model etc, but it still stuck through all generations lol. I love my rf nd1 2.0, but you definitely wouldn’t want me cutting your hair 😂
@@PaulMansfield Looking forward to seeing that as I have heard that it (the full BBR treatment) changes the essence of the original (I guess it's supposed too) but I am intrigued none-the-less and love getting my cars 'Max Powered'.
@@karllelliott681 Imagine an MX5 that's got everything good about the standard one but almost never feels lacking in power, where you just have to exercise a little restraint.
A new MX-5 is still on my wish list. Was lucky enough to drive back to back, both a 1.5 and 2.0. The 1.5 was nice, lighter, thus more agile on turn in and it definitely revved more freely but the 2.0 was more "meaty" (more torque), and you did not NEED to rev it out to make fast progress. So although the 1.5 is still very good, the 2.0 is a bit "better" but horses for courses. And on the forums most 2.0 litre owners get better fuel economy for that very reason, than the smaller engined 1.5, which is fantastic. Its massive failing for me is a total lack of steering feel. A cardinal sin. Will test drive the latest 2024/5 model which again states that this has been improved but I doubt it.
The same for me, the numb steering kills it. Waiting for the ND3 to arrive for a test drive, but I also don't hold high expectations for it to be brilliant.
@@sunnyvalentinoSo hope it plays out this way! Thanks for the info, didn't know they were going with a new rack. In my opinion, the rack on the ND2 was actually too fast for the wheelbase for me to pinpoint it exactly where I would like it in the tight corners going at higher speed. Never thought I would call a steering too fast, but I was surprised nobody commented on it.
@gapexx i will also add 6 degrees if caster in front once I get my ND3 ti further improve things and a smaler diameter steering wheel. One day will add MCS coilovers. Should improve steering more. Interesting you find the ratio too fast. It is a short wheelbase for sure. Ratio is slower than GR86. The 86 has very direct steering but no feel either.
@@sunnyvalentino The mods you plan to do should prove a different ride for sure. Regarding the ratio, I think it was the combined experience of the hardcore body roll I'm not used to. My first instinct was if the body roll is so significant, I could control it better if the steering would have been slower. But that was on a tight alpine pass road, no logic to the sequence of the bends. On the track or hooning it in a parking lot I can see the fast rack being just right. In the real world, I would actually prefer it just a bit slower.
Its definitely one of the best 'sports' cars out there. Very very enjoyable, without horrendous running costs or repair bills. Parts are easy to get and there's little, if anything, that your local indie won't be able to sort out for you. Plus, it's a mazda. I reckon it'll be at least as reliable as anything out there, in todays cost cutting climate. I have considered one for a while, but the 2 seats thing just isn't practical for me atm.
I owned an old Opel Tigra 1.6 . I wouldn't exactly call it a sports car but it was a lot of fun to drive and quite lively. So, yes, a small and light car with a small engine can be something of a sports car.
I chose the mx5 ND2 RF 2.0. I installed holins suspensions, i tuned the engine to 197hp, installed dekat headers plus a good exhaust system , upgraded the breaks and some little other upgrade. This car is an affordable masterpiece. Amen
Thank you, Jay Emm and Paul Mansfield, for another terrific review. Your comments only reinforced my resolve to forgo the slightly lower fuel consumption (and new car feel) of the ND. Given that I'm 1.83 m tall, I guess I'll be sticking with my low-mileage 2008 NC (28,000 km) PRHT (that folds all the way down--no C buttresses as in the ND hard-top).
I've had 4 MX-5's including a 1 year old 2 Litre RF Launch Edition back in 2018. I've always loved them and the ND is the best of the lot in my opinion. Interestingly, whilst I always understood the whole 'driving a fast car slow' mantra, it's only in recent years that I've truly come to appreciate that. Great fun cars, I'll have another some day.
I own the 2.0L ND (2022) and LOVE it! Best drivers car ever. Also, I'm 5'61 (171com), which means I fit perfectly. 😁 I drive it all year round with no problems, top down, even in winter. 🤩 (In Sweden that is)
Love this car. You have to drive it and thrash it. Really enjoyed my day in it. Small enough to be quick on a B road, unlike everything else. Sticking to my Elise but not because its fast. I simply don’t fit in the MX at over 6ft. I wave to MXs in my Elise, they like driving and not just badge seekers. Top stuff, thanks.
James, I think you're right in that the ND was always intended to be the 1.5. It's a shame it doesn't come with a limited-slip differential (the BMW M-Lite trick), otherwise it would be all we need in the UK. It also explains why the early ND 2.0 had a reputation for a weak gearbox
Back in the mid 90's I looked at an original Elise for my girlfriend but she was a lawyer and had to wear a skirt to work so really couldn't get in and out easily. We ended up buying an Eunos roadster which we ran for 10 years and it was fabulous. lived in Portsmouth and had a fabulous time on the hill roads
Have a 981 Boxster S which I love but also a MX-5 NA 1.8 which delights me every time I get in it - so I can’t bear to part with it. The Mazda lets you wring 100% from it and dances through the bends with aplomb. As others have said big smiles don’t require massive HP.
If you're swimming about at the cheaper end of the market in the earlier cars, the 1.5 has a much revier engine. It's a proper screamer versus the saloon car engine the 2.0. I'd be more concerned about character than outright speed and that 7500 rpm engine makes it for me.
I note your 'earlier cars' caveat, and that's a valid point. But making the case for the 2.0 2019 onwards, it's just as rev-happy, and has the same red line as the 1.5. I have a 2022 2.0 and love it. I know without question the 1.5 wouldn't be powerful enough for me, but the 2.0 is.
That is my dream car. I just love how it looks. From the moment I saw it in Germany sitting at the side of the road, I was awed by it. After few years, I found out what car it was and I was again impressed that it is an affordable car. Sure, cheapest cars start from 20k, but paying 30-40k for something nicer is still in the realms of possibility for a normal guy who wants to have something sporty. Something reliable. Something exciting. However, new cars are simply not worth it. The biggest issue is that there isn't a dealership anywhere where I could simply check out everything in person. What color looks best in person. What additions I'm paying for it. That is worth the premium to me. Buying online god knows what isn't. So, if I cannot get the perfect configuration for myself, I at least can buy whatever used. And used prices are amazing. 2016/7 MX-5 with under 40,000 km costs just over 17 thousands euros. Their used pricing is very attractive as people often try out and get bored by those small, little sports cars due to their impracticality.
I bought my ND MX5 to fill in for the year while awaiting delivery of my new GR86 . It's been about 18 months since the 86 arrived and I still have the MX5. The 86 is my fun daily and the MX5 the fun weekend/nice weather car. Never though I'd have a sports car collection 😅
The answer is yes. It’s not all about the speed. I owned a MX5 Monaco, way back when, and when bringing it home on the M56, my wife, who was in our Discovery, called me and said, “What are you doing?” Me: “What’s wrong?” Wifey: “You’re doing 45mph!” I honestly thought I was doing about 60mph. 😂🤣 That sense of speed never left and the car was awesome on the lanes. 💚
@@EFFCtoocoolHi. I thought it was 115bhp but after I checked, you’re right. It was actually 88bhp. It was the only UK model with a tan hood and against the British Racing Green paint, it looked fantastic.
There’s a lot to be said for the joy of driving a slow car, fast, rather than a fast car, slow. I had a Stinger GT, and now a Polestar as my daily. Both very fast. But nowhere you can really use it. If I want fun I take my NB MX5 - foot mashed to the floor, rowing through the gears, then you look down and find you aren’t troubling the speed limit - heaps of fun 😊
What a wonderful little car! I loved seeing it just buzz down those same country lanes. Just like the Astons, Ferraris. Porsches, etc. They are in very good company!!
I have the 1.5. Not the lowest trim, but the highest one. I think, the balance is brilliant with this lighter driveshaft. And i love the rev-happy character of it. This is the only one good Honda engine nowdays.
Got a mk2.5. think it's the best looking. Was 146hp (when new, imagine many have got lost over the years). Put a nice exhaust on, put a short shifter in and it's an absolute pleasure. Can't see any reason to upgrade to a newer year. Having said that, this is partly because I am vaguely interested in mechanics and enjoy working on the car. I can see the argument of getting a newer car if you want hassle free ownership. However, if you're relatively handy, the aftermarket is great, and having driven all four generations I honestly can't really see much point in spending extra for a newer car. When I was buying the 2nd Gen was the cheapest. Mark 1s had just started becoming "classics" and so were commandong a premium. Mark 2.5 has the sports suspension, leather seats, good power, best looking (imo), are old enough they are easy to work on, have the biggest brakes and can be picked up for just a couple of grand. I'm glad to see the mx5s get the jay em seal of approval, however. I always used to view the mx5s as the car that "poor" enthusiasts get who can't afford a "real" sports car, but my view has certainly changed. I'd be more than happy to lend my car for a video! If you're after a high trim 2.5 with just some tasteful mods. Also, interesting but of trivia. As my first car, it was actually the cheapest vehicle possible to insure that I could find. The combination of only having two seats (so only being able to kill 2 people) plus being a relatively uncommon for very young drivers, I was able to get insured as a new driver for £800 and only pay £300 now. Was quoted 2.5k for a Ford fiesta!!!
Interesting point about the Cayman. I was originally after a Boxster, went to see a few and just didn’t like the ‘cockpit’ (for want of a better word) and ended up with an NC Roadster that I immediately felt at home in & love.
Hi James, great little review of the MX. The 1.5 sounds a great revvy little motor and the fact the car is basic, no crap infotainment malarkey etc is brilliant! Who needs all that bollards anyway!!! I'd be sorely tempted by the 2 litre (and the coupe) especially if I knew I could get a bike rack on the tail! Keep up the good work fella!🙂🙂🙂
Eternal blue, same as my ND2 2.0. They're fabulous cars. A sports car built for the road that you can explore the full potential of, rather than a 500 horse power monster you can't use!
I have a 1.8 MX5 Mk3, which had similar power and weight. Exhaust and remap mods brought it to about 155bhp, which for me is perfection. It doesn't need any more, but now it feels lively.
The joy of driving a slow car fast is so often overlooked in RUclips world of supercars. This is cheap to buy (used), cheap to run, won’t break and will keep your licence while maintaining a grin on your face on every trip. Perfect car really, unless you need back seats.
16:15 The market split issue is because of what you alluded to earlier. At first launch, the 1.5L was a sporty high revving engine with 130hp. The 2L is the same block as the Mazda 3 with 160hp. There isn't all that much in it and actually the slower one feels more fun and sporty. If you look at ND2 and later (around 2018), the 2L got all new internals to make it rev higher, iirc it has nearly identical torque but because of the extra rev range its over 180hp. That rework makes it suit the car more, like the 1.5L does. A lot of people want either the 1.5L or the later 2L, so there isn't a premium on a 2016 2L over a 2016 1.5L. The 1.5L just suits the car better. There's a huge premium once you jump to the post-rework 2L. Edit: Indeed the 2L was created for the US market. Look at some US reviews and it makes sense. They have endless roads with curves that Europeans or Japanese wouldn't call corners. A low powered lightweight sports car has a lot less appeal there than something that can eat up miles in a fun way. So I don't blame them wanting the bigger engine initially, it makes sense in the environment they're in.
In Australia the 1.5L makes up something like 5% of Mx5's sold. I own one of these which I picked up second hand in 2021 for $23k aud which is about 12k pounds. I've had almost all the JDM hero cars from 180sx, skylines, 370z, mr2s and a turbo GT86 and I'm just left wondering what on earth would I replace this weekend car for? Its super fun and reminds me to just smile and not worry about being the fastest one on to the on-ramp.
If you love and understand cars, it is the feel of the car on the road and through bends that is the real pleasure. Power is just a blunt instrument to achieve speed.
Thank you! I’m glad you don’t follow other reviewers, you balance individual vehicles, so, It’s an mg midget 1.5, or a spitfire 1.5, or mgb 1.8, it’s sweet cheap and fun, in fact next month in selling my Ute and I’m going to look for one, sweet and simple. Hi from down under🇦🇺😃👍
Over the course of 20 years, I've owned NA, NB, currently on the 2.0L NC (six speed box and all the kit). Never really warmed to the small-engined ND. Have driven friends' Boxters, S2000s and TTs. My main car is a Mk2 Jaguar XFS (after 8 years in a M1 XFS). I'm happy with the MX5, the only thing I'd replace it with would be an XK (not such a fan of the F type).
My son has an RF and he's 6'4". He fits OK. He's had it 7 years now so it clearly isn't that bad! And some of us of a certain age shouldn't forget that many proper sports cars of the past were small and basic, like the MG Midget and the Triumph Spitfire. It wasn't about power, it was about handling. And they were hugely popular. I think Mazda are onto something here. Something long forgotten.
I have a 2020 MX-5 ND2 and I’m 6 foot tall. I put a seat lowering kit in it and it really changed the game in a positive way for me. Highly recommend it.
In my opinion, the main reason for the MX5 being such an enjoyable drive is the suspension system. It is unequal, non-parallel wishbones front and back, as used in Formula One racing cars. A handful of other cars also have them, but they are right up at the top end.
Thanks for that, I think in general we've forgotten just what it is that makes a car drive well for people who really love to give a car a spanking. No1, low weight, No2, low weight, No3, a predictable and responsive chassis. No4, a responsive engine with enough power to play with the limits of the chassis. No5, tyres that are predictable at their limits. Add style to taste. I've never driven one but my heart warmed to Toyota/Subaru when they came up with the GT86/BRZ which in the main was misunderstood.
I've got Alfa GT 3.2 Busso with Ferrari F430 Throttle and software tuneup with exhaust and also 1.5MX5 with custom exhaust I can say Mazda even with 1.5lt engine keeps the fun part of driving at %100 I would say some times I wish Turbo Charging it or 2LT with supercharger for power hunger times but on any B Road Fun this would be the car I choos I also Have 2020 Z4 it does not gives this feeling of simles on miles.Love your channel .Best wishes
I have a 2.0 ND. The extra torque means you can pootle around in 5th/6th from 30mph and it still does high 40s mpg quite easily. 1.5 is a little gutless at motorway speeds going uphill in comparison. The extra torque of the 2.0 makes it a much more relaxing car overall
I don't have any experience with any MX-5s unfortunately but I used to own Gen 2 Mini with just the 1.6 NA with 118hp and it was a joy to scream it around country lanes but it seems to barely have any low down torque and I recall it struggling on hills in high gears. I've since upgraded it for the same car but with the 1.6T engine with 181hp which definitely feels quicker and easier to drive in top gear with that extra torque and help from the turbo. Anyway, if I ever decide to get an ND MX-5 in the future, I would pick the 2.0 for the extra useable torque to use when just cruising and driving normally to places while still being able to have a screaming NA engine on the country lanes when you want it.
@@squeakers27 Exactly mate. I have the ND 2.0 as the everyday car and an NB 1.8i VS (Jap import) for screaming around in at the weekend. People think I am nuts for having two Mx5s but I don’t care - they are soooo amazing!
Thank you for reviewing the poverty spec version! I've had one of these for the last 7 years and they are a fantastic car to own and yet so overlooked because most reviewers focus on the higher end versions. One thing you didn't mention in your review is how cheap to own one of these is. Insurance is low, and because they are one of the most reliable cars on the market they cost peanuts to take care of. A massive advantage of the poverty spec is the cloth seats - far nicer than leather on a hot day when you've left the roof down! Also the infotainment system is so basic compared to higher trims which means there's less to go wrong and it doesn't age as quickly. Oh, and yes, the weird faux carbon fiber effect on the door panel is stock. And you definitely don't want the RF - that retractable top means more weight, more things to go wrong, and you can't put it up and down at speed, unlike the soft top which can go down at any speed and can be pulled back up one-handed easily when doing under 50mph (it's a bit more of a struggle over 50mph due to the wind forcing it back down).
We have had two a 2003 back in the day and a 2013. A 1.8 and 2.0 respectively. Getting the back end out going round an smallish island is great fun. The 2003 felt better built and my fav of the two. Yes the fabric roof was a one handed affair. A fun and quite practical car. Get one, you won't regret it. Prone to rust though, which is a shame.
We bought a secondhand 1979 Alfa Sud Sprint, which came with a 1500cc single downdraught Weber, pumped out 59kW and fed to a 5-speed close-ratio manual gearbox (the 5th was not overdrive). It didn't even have electric windows or air conditioning, but it was the most fun car we've ever owned. If contemplating an MX-5, I'd definitely go for the most basic 1.5L (zero options)model. I don't care if the 2L has more torque; the fun of changing gears and using the rev range is where the real magic happens. The taller profile tyres would be more comfortable and super cheap to replace.
My 19 year old cousin got a 1.5 Softtop ND2 for his 1st car and after being in it and driving it's amazing. I don't know if I could live with it because I'm 1,85 cm tall and size 11 shoe size. Could use a bit more induction and exhaust noise and a better steering feel. But for the price new in my country I would buy a E36 or cheap E46 M3.
Excellent review of an excellent car. I've had 25 MX5s from 90hp to 400hp and from NA to ND. Driven them loads of miles on road and track and used them for coaching new track day drivers (not in the 400hp one). A 1.5 ND soft top might be my next one if my back improves after a stupid low speed road accident in an NB. You're bang on with the Americans insisting on a 2.0 litre engine very near to the launch date That's why the first 2.0 litre cars had an cooking Mazda 3 engine whereas the 1.5s got a very heavily reworked Mazda 2 engine. A 2.5 litre version of the same Skyactiv also engine exists including one with a turbo. It's a shame the Americans didn't insist on one of them, to go with their often putting LS3 drivetrains in them with 525hp.
I bought the even-smaller but turbo version of this, the 1.4L Abarth 124, partly based on your Fiat review. One of my better decisions, and a shame it didn't sell better. Displacement is fine but i do enjoy beating all the bigger boys through the curves, and feeling outside while I'm driving.
I had a 124 abarth, did you have trouble selling yours? I bought it from cazoo 2018 plate 30k miles… sold it back to cazoo for 1000 more than I bought it from them 😅 I don’t know how I managed it but it happened, got 17k for it, I loved it but I wanted the same general experience but with a hard top and a revvier engine so I decided to get an mx5 RF in its place, the 124 was also loud as hell from the factory, sounded amazing but it was a little too much for my taste, attracted the wrong type of attention.
Hi Jay . Have to agree with you about the 3rd Gen (NC) . I’m an older 6ft 3 in & I’ve got a mint 2010 model here in Western Australia. If ever you feel like visiting you can use mine . Bonus ! They don’t rust here . Buy one from OZ & take it back with you . Cheers Simon
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Had an Audi S3 and fed up putting my foot down on British roads for just 5 seconds. Bought a 1.5 MX5 ND and now I have a blast keeping my foot down. Also flies through roundabouts and puts a smile on my face. Smiles are better than HP.
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Never mind the foot down. How many times did the unreliable POS let you down. Hate Audi.
Had the same shift when changing from a 200+ hp Volvo to a Lexus CT. After changing tires from utterly crappy eco-Bridgestones to a set of sporty Michelins I discovered this “hybrid nothing” became a very grippy and well balanced hatchback. Quick? Not. But with plenty of grip and fantastic on-the-edge behavior.
Pity Lexus didn’t built the CT300 version they initially planned with 2.0 turbo petrol…
this! engines that you can actually fully use are so much more fun to drive. everything above, i would say, 300hp is only really fully usable on a race track and you will always have the annoying feeling, that you dont use all of your potential. (or you do and go to jail lol).
nible handling, slightly above average hp and a tight road with good weather is the most fun you can have, period.
enjoy driving woman's car
I'm glad you liked driving my bone-stock MX5 1.5L
Anyone who likes driving cars would like driving that car.
@@bongodave13 I consider it to be better than therapy. And cheaper!
@@PaulMansfieldcars like this are antidepressants
That radio looks so much more timeless than the infotainment screen. Love it
If you toss the audio, the dash just looks the real thing.
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I've got an ND2 and I like having Android auto on it, but I agree that that screen will age much, much worse than the rest of the car. I'm convinced the ND will be a future classic, and that screen will date it.
Drove both the 1.5 and 2.0 before going for the bigger engine. The ND2's 2.0 is just as revvy and the extra torque is useful. But the point of this car? Not to be a rocketship but to put a smile on your face at sensible speeds. And boy, did Mazda achieve that.
When the ND1 first came out, the 2L felt like it was running out of air before 6k. The 1.5 by comparison holds power out to nearly 8. Earlier model years, the choice was less clear, because one did not rev like the other.
@@AustinPerduemy 2017 2.0 ND1 doesn’t run out of breath at 6+k, far from, it just keeps happily going, apparently though the nd2 is better over 6k, I mean that’s mainly the revisions they did, forged the engine to support the higher rev limit and sorted out some transmission issues
@@DoktrDub Dyno charts say otherwise. Torque curve begins falling at 5400rpm. Power peaks at 5800. It revs higher but torque continues to fall off faster the higher you go.
@@AustinPerdue Some people have never felt an engine that pulls all the way to redline I guess.
@@AustinPerdue poorcel cope
In Japan, the mountain pass (touge) or non-motorway roads have speed limits between 40km/h~70km/h (24mph~43mph) - thats the environment where this 1.5 version of the ND makes a lot of sense. Unless you don't mind getting caught by the police, you'll never have more fun if you have a Porsche Cayman GT4 6MT when that car's 2nd gear tops out at 131km/h (82mph). Whereas with these 1.5 NDs, you'll probably have more involvement by shifting up & down, whilst enjoying the process of acceleration due to the lesser power + torque. If you watch the POV driving videos in Hakone Turn Pike, Ashinoko Skyline, Izu Skyline and Usui Touge, you'll probably get an idea how lightweight cars with short gearing makes more sense than say a 600hp R34 GT-R.
100% i even changed the final drive of my 1.5 so i have to shift even more often! haha
@@pureroadster59 Hey man, this is a small world! Been a subscriber of your channel for a while haha. Love the induction note of your ND (almost like ITBs!). The shortshifter and the infotainment delete you did looks awesome too. Keep up the great work!
@@smilepermile8165 Small world it is! Thanks alot, more fun focused updates coming soon :)
100%. I have an 86 and ive learnt crucial racing skills like heel toeing and downshifting at high rpm as well as practicing my shifting technique while revving out from 1-3 whilst daily driving it without compromising mine or fellow motorist's safety all because the car is slow. Its set up so well to give you the solid foundations of sports driving- clutch is short and medium weight, the knob is perfectly positioned, the gauge cluster is very efficient enabling you to see necessary information on one circle, the seating position is perfect all without making the car expensive.
I actually would recommend people even with a high budget to buy an mx5 or 86 brz, or even an old s2k, fn2 type r, celica to learn how to drive for performance whilst commuting on public roads before spending over 100k on a 500hp+ monster which youll only be able to unlock its potential on track AND with all your track driving fundamentals well practiced to prevent totaling your new monster.
The same thing happens on many roads in the world, in Mallorca, Spain, on most mountain roads you cannot go above 4-5,000rpm in 3rd gear, then 1.5 with some easy mods 140cv~ are enough
I have the 1500 RF as my retirement car and it does 45.8 MPG and flies round roundabout and back roads beautifully , but the main thing is it's just FUN.
I gotta say, that interior is fantastic. Nothing loud, nothing unnecessary, just the bare minimum needed to make it usable. If nothing else, I love that about this car.
Yes,it is enough.
I'm tired of the race for big HP figures,I want a little car with a maximum of 200ish HP that you could happily throw into a corner without fearing for your life.
We want a Dino.
@@RichardEnglanderAlfa 4c/Alpine A110
@@bradleycruse2763 yes, I would put the Alpine mechanics in that Dino body, although a V6 or 8 is more appropriate.
Fiesta ST? If you don't mind FWD and a fixed roof 🙃
Well this is 130 soooo
Way back in the early 1990s I drove one of the very first US Miata cars and was very, very impressed: everything a small sports car should do, no impediments, and a lovely manual gearbox.
I've had 2 MX5's and whilst they aren't blistering fast, aggressive or tail happy under power I always enjoyed the drive and it always put a smile on my face. That along with Mazda reliability and cheap running costs means they should never be overlooked if you're in the market for a 2 seater soft top. You don't have to break the speed limit to have fun in a car or at least that's what my MX5's taught me. Sure a Porsche or a F-Type would stir the soul more but they also cost a lot more to run. Great to not see you turn your nose up at the venerable MX5 like many do.
Coming from experience, I owned and F type S, they are fast but not as fun to drive, better for long cruising because of the larger chassis and setup but no honestly, the Mx5 stirs my soul more.same with mk5 supra, fast.. a bit more fun than the f type in my opinion, but not as fun as my mx5 ND1 which also cruises quite nicely for its smaller figure, there’s more wind noise at speed but it’s a bit quieter than the soft top it seems, I got an RF but did test drive the rag top, both are fine in that regards.
They also can get quite tail happy but you need to grab it by the scruff of the neck and work it, which again, feels much more exciting.
My daughter has the same 1.5 model. I never thought it would be any good until I drove it. WHAT A BLAST now the only challenge is borrowing it from her occasionally
The MX5 doesn’t need lots of horses. It makes you smile from ear to ear on those nice twisty roads. It is so much more fun to drive! I love driving my NC. Wish I’d bought it sooner.
My wife has owned a 2017 1.5 ND MX-5 for the last six years previous to that she had a 2.7 Porsche Boxster. Every time I ask if it’s time to change her car she says that she loves the car and will never change it. It is serviced every year and I can honestly say that nothing has ever gone wrong with it and she uses it everyday all year round.
A frog eye Sprite has 40-ish horsepower. It's a stonking sports car.
I love a frog eye! Never driven on but I’ve driven the later MG Midget and loved it
Frog eye is such a fitting name , looks like it goes ribbit between shifts 😂
This is about the same weight as an MGB, but gains 35ish horse AND modern safety features
Exactly!😃🇦🇺👍
Sports car? What kinda sports, paralympics? 😂 people these days call everything a sports car when it has RWD apparently.
The 1.5 is the absolute mx-5 sweet spot as far as I’m concerned 👍
Try its half-brother...the Fiat 124 Spider....
Auto Express magazine always proclaimed that the 1.5 was indeed the sweet spot of the range. I agree. It's also closest to the original concept.
100% agree
I now have an ND.2/2L with bbr220. Sometimes I feel it's insanely fast.
It is, no doubt about it.
The car is a neat roadster, not a sports car.
There is a video of a retired American racing driver testing the 1.5.He concluded that "base is ace". I have the 24 year soft top being delivered to Spain in the next 3 to 5 months subject to parts ,pirates and rockets.Looking forward to covering the Michelin green routes and canyons without hurting wallet or license.
I own a 2017 ND1. Before buying my one, i drove the 1.5L and it was such a fun car to drive. I loved everything about it. The engine was such a peach! Loved how it revved, such a light flywheel and you can just drive it so hard everywhere. I had a mk7 Fiesta ST at the time in which I thought was a fun car, but I was wrong. I forgot everything about my Fiesta ST after that. I sold the ST a year later and bought my ND. When I first got my ND-1, I actually thought the 1.5 was the more fun car. Yes, it is smaller. But I loved the character of the engine and preferred it to my 2.0. I haven't driven the ND2 yet, but I really don't have a problem with the 1.5. It's fast enough, but more importantly. It's just such a fun package.
Years ago I had a 1.3L X19 . If you think sports cars need a big engine try one of those
I had a 1.5 but what's 200cc between fellow X1/9 fans? I had a Smart roadster and that was only 700cc!
Has one ages ago. Great fun!
I had one too and loved it. Unfortunately rust was a big issue.
Heck, a sporty kei car like the Daihatsu Copen will give you lots of fun and it only has 660cc.
Great review. While I've driven one, I've never owned one. But would definitely consider it. I've seen countless reviewers wanting to hate on this little car, but by the end of every review, they're sold in it. Besides the handling, the convertible top, the 2 seater configuration, the balance, etc; many people seem to forget the ultra-reliability these things have. These can be a very long term fun-car.
I nearly bought a Porsche Cayman. I had it independently inspected and the bill to get it fully sorted was over 5k. My MX-5 was far far cheaper, has been totally reliable, and I don't need to have a load of money set aside for an engine rebuild.
JayEmm, it’s so nice to see you enjoying the MX-5, as so many of us do. Personally, I think of it as arguably the auto world’s best kept secret. Cheers!🍻
Mazda's are just brilliant. Even in my CX-30 the controls and responsiveness are all brilliant. Would love to pair it with an MX-5, great two car garage
My son had an ND 1.5 and loved it and now has a BMW E82 125i. To add to what you said about the 1.5 and the American story, Mazda designed the ND for the 1.5 as is a similar power/weight to Mk1. The 1.5 lighter better handling in the front (mid engined) mx5 which goes back to their obsession with weight. Remember the NA mx5 was based on the lotus elan and colin chapmans theory "simplify and add lightnes" , I think the 1.5 is the purest and easily fast enough, 0-60 8.3 and 130mph top speed. Although slower than the elan so the 2.0 184 more or less matches the elan as it was lighter.
Great fun cars.
My son and I have an r53 mini cooper s for fun which will be good when restored 😂
Bought my 2016 ND1 1.5 Sport Nav in Ceramic Metalic with Sand Nappa Leather 6 years ago for £14,500 cash without ever driving a single MX5, I just knew I wanted one from all the reviews, paid in full over the phone, the Mazda salesman thought I was mad, turned up to collect it 2 days later and still own it to this day. Only mod i have done is Cobalt exhaust and boot spoiler that comes standard with the Sports Recaro model. Only drive it on the weekends, has just over 20k miles on it. Have driven Ferrari's, McLarens, R8 and 911's, but imo they are too fast to get the most out of them on british b roads. Also got my fix of acceleration from many Sportsbikes over years, so more than happy to drive the MX5 flat out when time allows me. Nice review JayEmm!
I know it was 6 years ago but £14k for a 2 year old ND MX5? What a bargain
@@MMR11134 Alot of 2/3 year old ND1's were around the £15k mark back then and haven't really lost that much more since, but saying that I have noticed in recent months that the prices on these are really starting to drop now, some with high mileage are sub £10k. I also think the price of a 2024 ND3 is alot more than what my ND1 would have cost brand new back in 2016.
OMG. I had this very car in this spec and colour - 17 plate! I had it for years and then sold it as I needed a bigger car. This car is sublime, a peach a stunner! 1.5l is more than enough. 30mph felt like I was going at 60mph and its punch in the low rev-range. Great, great car and really thinking getting another again! I have not even watched the review yet!!! Bravo
2.0 in the wonderful roads of Wales and Scotland, foot flat out is incredible for our narrow roads. I have a 458S and I absolutely love all of my MX5s, throw it where you want and position it how you like on narrow wet roads
I’ve got a Peugeot 205 Gti 1.6, the amount of times I’ve had people saying “you should have went for the 1.9!”
No! I much prefer the 1.6! Much more rev happy engine and in my opinion you made the right choice. Although I must admit the 1.9 alloys are just perfect :)
I’ve had both and the 1.6 was by far the better engine. 😊
I had both versions, and the 1.6 is the sweet spot, great balance and FUN
1.6 is the better package. 1.9 might be a better mile eater, but it's the 1.6 every time for a B road blast. My cousin had red white blue all 3 cars at the same time (3 being the cabriolet).
I bought a mx5 1.5l rf......its a great car to drive. Tested the 2litre and I honestly preferred the 1.5l.....it sounds amazing,real grunt and pretty nippy. All you could need on UK roads. The handling is amazing and you can really chuck it about. No boot space atall,and not alot of storage inside but you don't buy it for that. It really is the most fun I've ever had and everytime I start it up it makes me smile. Which is a rarity when owning a car. I have the soft top hardtop which I can highly recommend. When not sunny it's a normal car when the sun's out roof down. So if thinking of getting a small nippy fun car to drive then get yourself a Mx5 rf. You won't regret it. Oh and im not a hairdresser or a nail technician either!!!
I used to own a 1.5 ND MX5 before I got my E82 125i (because of your review!) and I can say its an absolutely brilliant. Amazing fun and never fails to put a smile on your face, but just not that usable as a daily driver. Definitely recommend for anyone looking for a fun car
I completely agree. After five Porsches and one Ferrari, I bought a new 2 L ND last year. My last Ferrari dealer service cost was £5000 so I thought it was time to downsize. The Miata is great fun and a fraction of the running costs. I can drive it anywhere at any time without worrying about the car getting damaged, scratched or something expensive breaking.
I had a 1985 Honda CRX Si with 91hp from a 1.5L. It made 60 in 8.7 seconds which is glacial by today's standards. However, it was monster fun.
I also looked at Caymans, and decided I didnt want the outright cost for a new one, or maintenance bill for an old one (one day maybe). So I took a chance and bought a GT86, and I love it, much like the MX5 it really doesn't need to be any faster on the public highway. More power would just mean it gets less fuel economy on my daily commute 😅
I wanted the 86 for the hardtop and spare tyre, but chose the MX-5 for the better power in low rpm driving and the more supple suspension. Still have it 9 yrs later.
Driving a slow car fast is much more fun than driving a fast car slow. 🚗>🏎️
You know what's more fun ? Driving a fast car fast ! And it's called the mini cooper S
100% agree.
@@egeayvala1799agreed - but not possible on our roads
I mean, there's plenty of places in the US where you can stretch the legs of a fast car.
@@egeayvala1799agree this car Miata is rubbish horrible. Don't understand why people compare to Miata, cooper is the benchmark
So nice to see a review of the 1.5. Everybody else seems to have focussed on the 2.0-litre, probably because that's what the press car fleet is equipped with.
Kudos to you JayEmm ... as a proud owner of a 1500cc ND Miata ... I have looked at all your videos on this car (albeit 2k cc engine) prior to buying and you did influence me pretty heavily ... my car does seldom leaves me wanting more performance wise ... luv it.
Correct! Want more power in the 1500 version, then use your gearbox and sing that motor. It will move!
I've got a 2.0 ND1, and I might have actually went for the 1.5 if it were available in the US. I envy the higher redline and revvier character. I also feel like the ND1 accelerates so well, especially at low RPMs, that I would actually like a little less power so I could drive it a bit harder without breaking the speed limit. I also love that simple radio in-place of the infotainment system; we didn't get that option either in the US.
Yep, smaller motor can be driven with more zest (and gets better economy/range when you are not up it for the rent).
I own a 1.5L ND with JDM spec meaning I have all the fancy options like SatNav, leather seats, Bose audio, blind spots assist etc. I also own a Lexus ISF and I would say the ND with the 4 cylinders is always more fun to drive. Also I’m 6 feet 1 and have no problem sitting in it 😊
I am 6-3 and I have to bend my neck if I wanna sit in it. Both NC and ND. It was my dream car and I just don't fit. Breaks my heart! I wish Toyota would make a cheap convertible like a GR86 soft top or smth
Same here, 6.2 and just don't fit... Shame there's no real alternative.
@@mito7623
Think about putting different seat. You might also try to do something with the mounting points of the seats.
Ask a guy who repairs the fabric/works with car interiors. Good Luck.
Love a fun, light, lower horsepower car. And I'm not just saying that, I may be the only 944 NA owner not interested in an engine swap.
Great video! Love our MX5, 1991 1.6 NA, we have owned her for 13 1/2 years now, and now the sun is shining a little, she is out for the summer!
1.5L, soft top, manual. You don’t need more. It’s lighter, with perfect softer suspension. It handles exactly like a ‘60s Alfa Romeo: sitting on the rear to add grip out of a corner. Pure driving magic on any windy road. Always with your right foot to the metal. It’s a car for someone who loves to drive for real.
I bought a 2018 Z Sport 2.0 recently and I am absolutely livid. I should have bought an MX5 ten years ago! They are sensational.
I too was on the hunt for a Boxster but the Mazda gives all the fun with none of the fear.
As an ND2 RF sport nav owner, I'm 6ft1 and fit in alright. Its slightly tight but I don't feel cramped. Love the car, it's like automotive therapy. I've never driven the 1.5, but I've heard good things about it. Some say it captures the essence of the original car more in ND1 guise. The ND1 2.0 lacked the urgency at the top end, the 1.5 was more rev happy. Also that carbon overlay by the window switch is standard, I have it on mine. The eternal blue is one of the best colours for the car imo
Bought an 2019 MX5 with the 1.5 2 months ago. I love it. The joy of driving it is worth every penny. I always have a smile on my face!
Great cars. I'm on my 3rd (NB, NC and now ND) I think the 'Gram Strategy' was also an excuse for penny pinching and, although the car has a solid feeling chassis, trim, carpets and paintwork are not of the same quality as previous cars. Having said all that, the ND, even as a 1.5, is still a great car. It is all the things you want from an open sports car and has all the things you need for driving on the roads of today.
I love every moment of driving my 2018 ND. Its simplicty (only a Nav spec) is part of the appeal, not much tech to interfere with the drive, light weight, fun to rag around. Its so good i am always looking for an excuse to drive it.
And certainly as practical as the other halfs Fiat 500 it replaced 😂
You need to try the 2.0. Mine is an ND2 with 184 bhp.
I agree the electric rack is not as good as the NC's hydraulic rack. I'm a fat bastard as well (120kg), but I fit MX5s perfectly!
I started with a new NB in 2004, traded that after 3 years for a new NC electric roof which I ran for 14 trouble free years. In 2021 I traded that for a new ND2 soft top, which is the best of the lot. Mine has leather and all the toys, being a top of the range spec. Including Bilsteins and an LSD.
Heel & toe is how I drive it all the time - it's just so natural in this car!
I didn't go for the RF because it's a targa top.
People who deride the MX5 as a hairdresser's car just don't get what a lightweight sports car can offer that big heavy far more powerful sports car never will. And MX5s don't break, and you run them for Focus money.
I paid £30K for mine back in 2021, less £2K to take the PCP, which I paid off almost immediately. So £28K for a top notch 2.0 ND2 in soul red! I love it!
If you are ever in Cheshire and have insurance for it, you are welcome to drive mine.
Vince
He'll be trying my nd.2/bbr220 sometime. I think he might enjoy that.
They’ll call anything by a stereotype, audi tt, tts and ttrs… hairdressers cars, or a golf in a frock back from the original model etc, but it still stuck through all generations lol.
I love my rf nd1 2.0, but you definitely wouldn’t want me cutting your hair 😂
184 PS = 181 BHP😀
@@PaulMansfield Looking forward to seeing that as I have heard that it (the full BBR treatment) changes the essence of the original (I guess it's supposed too) but I am intrigued none-the-less and love getting my cars 'Max Powered'.
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Imagine an MX5 that's got everything good about the standard one but almost never feels lacking in power, where you just have to exercise a little restraint.
oddly i was thinking Can a 1.5L Ever Be Enough for a Sports Car? The Entry-Level 129BHP Mazda MX-5 earlier this week. great video!
A new MX-5 is still on my wish list. Was lucky enough to drive back to back, both a 1.5 and 2.0. The 1.5 was nice, lighter, thus more agile on turn in and it definitely revved more freely but the 2.0 was more "meaty" (more torque), and you did not NEED to rev it out to make fast progress. So although the 1.5 is still very good, the 2.0 is a bit "better" but horses for courses. And on the forums most 2.0 litre owners get better fuel economy for that very reason, than the smaller engined 1.5, which is fantastic. Its massive failing for me is a total lack of steering feel. A cardinal sin. Will test drive the latest 2024/5 model which again states that this has been improved but I doubt it.
The same for me, the numb steering kills it. Waiting for the ND3 to arrive for a test drive, but I also don't hold high expectations for it to be brilliant.
ND3 has a new rack, lower friction components, better on center feel and reporgrammed eps. They have tried hard here so im optimistic.
@@sunnyvalentinoSo hope it plays out this way! Thanks for the info, didn't know they were going with a new rack. In my opinion, the rack on the ND2 was actually too fast for the wheelbase for me to pinpoint it exactly where I would like it in the tight corners going at higher speed. Never thought I would call a steering too fast, but I was surprised nobody commented on it.
@gapexx i will also add 6 degrees if caster in front once I get my ND3 ti further improve things and a smaler diameter steering wheel. One day will add MCS coilovers. Should improve steering more.
Interesting you find the ratio too fast. It is a short wheelbase for sure. Ratio is slower than GR86. The 86 has very direct steering but no feel either.
@@sunnyvalentino The mods you plan to do should prove a different ride for sure. Regarding the ratio, I think it was the combined experience of the hardcore body roll I'm not used to. My first instinct was if the body roll is so significant, I could control it better if the steering would have been slower. But that was on a tight alpine pass road, no logic to the sequence of the bends. On the track or hooning it in a parking lot I can see the fast rack being just right. In the real world, I would actually prefer it just a bit slower.
Its definitely one of the best 'sports' cars out there. Very very enjoyable, without horrendous running costs or repair bills. Parts are easy to get and there's little, if anything, that your local indie won't be able to sort out for you. Plus, it's a mazda. I reckon it'll be at least as reliable as anything out there, in todays cost cutting climate. I have considered one for a while, but the 2 seats thing just isn't practical for me atm.
Thanks!
I owned an old Opel Tigra 1.6 . I wouldn't exactly call it a sports car but it was a lot of fun to drive and quite lively. So, yes, a small and light car with a small engine can be something of a sports car.
I chose the mx5 ND2 RF 2.0. I installed holins suspensions, i tuned the engine to 197hp, installed dekat headers plus a good exhaust system , upgraded the breaks and some little other upgrade. This car is an affordable masterpiece. Amen
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@@josephberrie9550 ops... an E just wanted some more attention 😆
Thank you, Jay Emm and Paul Mansfield, for another terrific review.
Your comments only reinforced my resolve to forgo the slightly lower fuel consumption (and new car feel) of the ND. Given that I'm 1.83 m tall, I guess I'll be sticking with my low-mileage 2008 NC (28,000 km) PRHT (that folds all the way down--no C buttresses as in the ND hard-top).
I've had 4 MX-5's including a 1 year old 2 Litre RF Launch Edition back in 2018. I've always loved them and the ND is the best of the lot in my opinion. Interestingly, whilst I always understood the whole 'driving a fast car slow' mantra, it's only in recent years that I've truly come to appreciate that.
Great fun cars, I'll have another some day.
I own the 2.0L ND (2022) and LOVE it! Best drivers car ever. Also, I'm 5'61 (171com), which means I fit perfectly. 😁 I drive it all year round with no problems, top down, even in winter. 🤩 (In Sweden that is)
My current daily is a Mazda 2 sport. It's also a 1.5 petrol with sticky Yokohama tyres, it's rapid!
I have a 1.6 BRG NA MX-5 (88bhp) and driving that hard and often is just great fun.
Love this car. You have to drive it and thrash it. Really enjoyed my day in it. Small enough to be quick on a B road, unlike everything else. Sticking to my Elise but not because its fast. I simply don’t fit in the MX at over 6ft. I wave to MXs in my Elise, they like driving and not just badge seekers. Top stuff, thanks.
James, I think you're right in that the ND was always intended to be the 1.5. It's a shame it doesn't come with a limited-slip differential (the BMW M-Lite trick), otherwise it would be all we need in the UK. It also explains why the early ND 2.0 had a reputation for a weak gearbox
Back in the mid 90's I looked at an original Elise for my girlfriend but she was a lawyer and had to wear a skirt to work so really couldn't get in and out easily. We ended up buying an Eunos roadster which we ran for 10 years and it was fabulous. lived in Portsmouth and had a fabulous time on the hill roads
Another great video about one of the all time great driving machines. Thanks Jay!
Just been watching some of your back catalogue, and then this popped up....Bargain! :)
Have a 981 Boxster S which I love but also a MX-5 NA 1.8 which delights me every time I get in it - so I can’t bear to part with it. The Mazda lets you wring 100% from it and dances through the bends with aplomb. As others have said big smiles don’t require massive HP.
If you're swimming about at the cheaper end of the market in the earlier cars, the 1.5 has a much revier engine. It's a proper screamer versus the saloon car engine the 2.0. I'd be more concerned about character than outright speed and that 7500 rpm engine makes it for me.
I note your 'earlier cars' caveat, and that's a valid point. But making the case for the 2.0 2019 onwards, it's just as rev-happy, and has the same red line as the 1.5. I have a 2022 2.0 and love it. I know without question the 1.5 wouldn't be powerful enough for me, but the 2.0 is.
Yea, the ND2 2.0 has the revised engine. Higher revs than the ND1 and 181bhp. They improved the 1.5 unit also, but only very slightly
The 2.0 is ice and revvy too, just not as much, you can even get the nd2 2.0 with higher redline, or tube the nd1 for the same purpose.
That is my dream car. I just love how it looks. From the moment I saw it in Germany sitting at the side of the road, I was awed by it. After few years, I found out what car it was and I was again impressed that it is an affordable car. Sure, cheapest cars start from 20k, but paying 30-40k for something nicer is still in the realms of possibility for a normal guy who wants to have something sporty. Something reliable. Something exciting.
However, new cars are simply not worth it. The biggest issue is that there isn't a dealership anywhere where I could simply check out everything in person. What color looks best in person. What additions I'm paying for it. That is worth the premium to me. Buying online god knows what isn't. So, if I cannot get the perfect configuration for myself, I at least can buy whatever used. And used prices are amazing. 2016/7 MX-5 with under 40,000 km costs just over 17 thousands euros. Their used pricing is very attractive as people often try out and get bored by those small, little sports cars due to their impracticality.
I bought my ND MX5 to fill in for the year while awaiting delivery of my new GR86 . It's been about 18 months since the 86 arrived and I still have the MX5. The 86 is my fun daily and the MX5 the fun weekend/nice weather car. Never though I'd have a sports car collection 😅
The answer is yes.
It’s not all about the speed.
I owned a MX5 Monaco, way back when, and when bringing it home on the M56, my wife, who was in our Discovery, called me and said,
“What are you doing?”
Me: “What’s wrong?”
Wifey: “You’re doing 45mph!”
I honestly thought I was doing about 60mph.
😂🤣
That sense of speed never left and the car was awesome on the lanes.
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Was the Monaco the 90 hp 1.6l version?
@@EFFCtoocoolHi. I thought it was 115bhp but after I checked, you’re right. It was actually 88bhp.
It was the only UK model with a tan hood and against the British Racing Green paint, it looked fantastic.
There’s a lot to be said for the joy of driving a slow car, fast, rather than a fast car, slow. I had a Stinger GT, and now a Polestar as my daily. Both very fast. But nowhere you can really use it. If I want fun I take my NB MX5 - foot mashed to the floor, rowing through the gears, then you look down and find you aren’t troubling the speed limit - heaps of fun 😊
What a wonderful little car!
I loved seeing it just buzz down those same country lanes.
Just like the Astons, Ferraris.
Porsches, etc.
They are in very good company!!
I have the 1.5. Not the lowest trim, but the highest one. I think, the balance is brilliant with this lighter driveshaft. And i love the rev-happy character of it. This is the only one good Honda engine nowdays.
Got a mk2.5. think it's the best looking. Was 146hp (when new, imagine many have got lost over the years). Put a nice exhaust on, put a short shifter in and it's an absolute pleasure. Can't see any reason to upgrade to a newer year. Having said that, this is partly because I am vaguely interested in mechanics and enjoy working on the car. I can see the argument of getting a newer car if you want hassle free ownership. However, if you're relatively handy, the aftermarket is great, and having driven all four generations I honestly can't really see much point in spending extra for a newer car. When I was buying the 2nd Gen was the cheapest. Mark 1s had just started becoming "classics" and so were commandong a premium. Mark 2.5 has the sports suspension, leather seats, good power, best looking (imo), are old enough they are easy to work on, have the biggest brakes and can be picked up for just a couple of grand. I'm glad to see the mx5s get the jay em seal of approval, however. I always used to view the mx5s as the car that "poor" enthusiasts get who can't afford a "real" sports car, but my view has certainly changed. I'd be more than happy to lend my car for a video! If you're after a high trim 2.5 with just some tasteful mods.
Also, interesting but of trivia. As my first car, it was actually the cheapest vehicle possible to insure that I could find. The combination of only having two seats (so only being able to kill 2 people) plus being a relatively uncommon for very young drivers, I was able to get insured as a new driver for £800 and only pay £300 now. Was quoted 2.5k for a Ford fiesta!!!
Interesting point about the Cayman. I was originally after a Boxster, went to see a few and just didn’t like the ‘cockpit’ (for want of a better word) and ended up with an NC Roadster that I immediately felt at home in & love.
Hi James, great little review of the MX. The 1.5 sounds a great revvy little motor and the fact the car is basic, no crap infotainment malarkey etc is brilliant! Who needs all that bollards anyway!!! I'd be sorely tempted by the 2 litre (and the coupe) especially if I knew I could get a bike rack on the tail! Keep up the good work fella!🙂🙂🙂
The bike rack fits the 1.5 just as well.
Eternal blue, same as my ND2 2.0. They're fabulous cars. A sports car built for the road that you can explore the full potential of, rather than a 500 horse power monster you can't use!
I have a 1.8 MX5 Mk3, which had similar power and weight. Exhaust and remap mods brought it to about 155bhp, which for me is perfection. It doesn't need any more, but now it feels lively.
I have 1.5, same colour, and bought it while searching for used Boxster S. Never regretted, the mx5 brought the smile I was looking for.
The joy of driving a slow car fast is so often overlooked in RUclips world of supercars. This is cheap to buy (used), cheap to run, won’t break and will keep your licence while maintaining a grin on your face on every trip. Perfect car really, unless you need back seats.
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The market split issue is because of what you alluded to earlier.
At first launch, the 1.5L was a sporty high revving engine with 130hp. The 2L is the same block as the Mazda 3 with 160hp. There isn't all that much in it and actually the slower one feels more fun and sporty.
If you look at ND2 and later (around 2018), the 2L got all new internals to make it rev higher, iirc it has nearly identical torque but because of the extra rev range its over 180hp. That rework makes it suit the car more, like the 1.5L does.
A lot of people want either the 1.5L or the later 2L, so there isn't a premium on a 2016 2L over a 2016 1.5L. The 1.5L just suits the car better.
There's a huge premium once you jump to the post-rework 2L.
Edit: Indeed the 2L was created for the US market. Look at some US reviews and it makes sense. They have endless roads with curves that Europeans or Japanese wouldn't call corners. A low powered lightweight sports car has a lot less appeal there than something that can eat up miles in a fun way. So I don't blame them wanting the bigger engine initially, it makes sense in the environment they're in.
Jay, I think you you're becoming a mx5 believer. Ha, love my nc2. Keep em coming. John
In Australia the 1.5L makes up something like 5% of Mx5's sold. I own one of these which I picked up second hand in 2021 for $23k aud which is about 12k pounds. I've had almost all the JDM hero cars from 180sx, skylines, 370z, mr2s and a turbo GT86 and I'm just left wondering what on earth would I replace this weekend car for? Its super fun and reminds me to just smile and not worry about being the fastest one on to the on-ramp.
If you love and understand cars, it is the feel of the car on the road and through bends that is the real pleasure. Power is just a blunt instrument to achieve speed.
Thank you! I’m glad you don’t follow other reviewers, you balance individual vehicles, so, It’s an mg midget 1.5, or a spitfire 1.5, or mgb 1.8, it’s sweet cheap and fun, in fact next month in selling my Ute and I’m going to look for one, sweet and simple. Hi from down under🇦🇺😃👍
Over the course of 20 years, I've owned NA, NB, currently on the 2.0L NC (six speed box and all the kit). Never really warmed to the small-engined ND. Have driven friends' Boxters, S2000s and TTs. My main car is a Mk2 Jaguar XFS (after 8 years in a M1 XFS). I'm happy with the MX5, the only thing I'd replace it with would be an XK (not such a fan of the F type).
My son has an RF and he's 6'4". He fits OK. He's had it 7 years now so it clearly isn't that bad! And some of us of a certain age shouldn't forget that many proper sports cars of the past were small and basic, like the MG Midget and the Triumph Spitfire. It wasn't about power, it was about handling. And they were hugely popular. I think Mazda are onto something here. Something long forgotten.
I have a 2020 MX-5 ND2 and I’m 6 foot tall. I put a seat lowering kit in it and it really changed the game in a positive way for me. Highly recommend it.
In my opinion, the main reason for the MX5 being such an enjoyable drive is the suspension system.
It is unequal, non-parallel wishbones front and back, as used in Formula One racing cars.
A handful of other cars also have them, but they are right up at the top end.
Thanks for that, I think in general we've forgotten just what it is that makes a car drive well for people who really love to give a car a spanking. No1, low weight, No2, low weight, No3, a predictable and responsive chassis. No4, a responsive engine with enough power to play with the limits of the chassis. No5, tyres that are predictable at their limits. Add style to taste.
I've never driven one but my heart warmed to Toyota/Subaru when they came up with the GT86/BRZ which in the main was misunderstood.
I've got Alfa GT 3.2 Busso with Ferrari F430 Throttle and software tuneup with exhaust and also 1.5MX5 with custom exhaust I can say Mazda even with 1.5lt engine keeps the fun part of driving at %100 I would say some times I wish Turbo Charging it or 2LT with supercharger for power hunger times but on any B Road Fun this would be the car I choos I also Have 2020 Z4 it does not gives this feeling of simles on miles.Love your channel .Best wishes
One of the few drivers’ cars still available today for not stupid money.
I have a 2.0 ND. The extra torque means you can pootle around in 5th/6th from 30mph and it still does high 40s mpg quite easily. 1.5 is a little gutless at motorway speeds going uphill in comparison. The extra torque of the 2.0 makes it a much more relaxing car overall
I don't have any experience with any MX-5s unfortunately but I used to own Gen 2 Mini with just the 1.6 NA with 118hp and it was a joy to scream it around country lanes but it seems to barely have any low down torque and I recall it struggling on hills in high gears. I've since upgraded it for the same car but with the 1.6T engine with 181hp which definitely feels quicker and easier to drive in top gear with that extra torque and help from the turbo. Anyway, if I ever decide to get an ND MX-5 in the future, I would pick the 2.0 for the extra useable torque to use when just cruising and driving normally to places while still being able to have a screaming NA engine on the country lanes when you want it.
@@squeakers27 Exactly mate. I have the ND 2.0 as the everyday car and an NB 1.8i VS (Jap import) for screaming around in at the weekend. People think I am nuts for having two Mx5s but I don’t care - they are soooo amazing!
Thank you for reviewing the poverty spec version! I've had one of these for the last 7 years and they are a fantastic car to own and yet so overlooked because most reviewers focus on the higher end versions. One thing you didn't mention in your review is how cheap to own one of these is. Insurance is low, and because they are one of the most reliable cars on the market they cost peanuts to take care of. A massive advantage of the poverty spec is the cloth seats - far nicer than leather on a hot day when you've left the roof down! Also the infotainment system is so basic compared to higher trims which means there's less to go wrong and it doesn't age as quickly. Oh, and yes, the weird faux carbon fiber effect on the door panel is stock. And you definitely don't want the RF - that retractable top means more weight, more things to go wrong, and you can't put it up and down at speed, unlike the soft top which can go down at any speed and can be pulled back up one-handed easily when doing under 50mph (it's a bit more of a struggle over 50mph due to the wind forcing it back down).
We have had two a 2003 back in the day and a 2013. A 1.8 and 2.0 respectively. Getting the back end out going round an smallish island is great fun. The 2003 felt better built and my fav of the two. Yes the fabric roof was a one handed affair. A fun and quite practical car. Get one, you won't regret it. Prone to rust though, which is a shame.
I use this as my daily driver. Fun, consumes very little, not a lot of room but enough for me and occasionally my gf. I wouldn't want any other car.
I have a 2015 nc prht and its honestly the best car ive ever owned
We bought a secondhand 1979 Alfa Sud Sprint, which came with a 1500cc single downdraught Weber, pumped out 59kW and fed to a 5-speed close-ratio manual gearbox (the 5th was not overdrive). It didn't even have electric windows or air conditioning, but it was the most fun car we've ever owned.
If contemplating an MX-5, I'd definitely go for the most basic 1.5L (zero options)model. I don't care if the 2L has more torque; the fun of changing gears and using the rev range is where the real magic happens. The taller profile tyres would be more comfortable and super cheap to replace.
My 19 year old cousin got a 1.5 Softtop ND2 for his 1st car and after being in it and driving it's amazing. I don't know if I could live with it because I'm 1,85 cm tall and size 11 shoe size. Could use a bit more induction and exhaust noise and a better steering feel.
But for the price new in my country I would buy a E36 or cheap E46 M3.
Excellent review of an excellent car.
I've had 25 MX5s from 90hp to 400hp and from NA to ND. Driven them loads of miles on road and track and used them for coaching new track day drivers (not in the 400hp one).
A 1.5 ND soft top might be my next one if my back improves after a stupid low speed road accident in an NB.
You're bang on with the Americans insisting on a 2.0 litre engine very near to the launch date That's why the first 2.0 litre cars had an cooking Mazda 3 engine whereas the 1.5s got a very heavily reworked Mazda 2 engine. A 2.5 litre version of the same Skyactiv also engine exists including one with a turbo. It's a shame the Americans didn't insist on one of them, to go with their often putting LS3 drivetrains in them with 525hp.
My sister has a 2020 mustang 350 gt manual. She test drove my nb (similar power to 1.5, about 120 bhp) and couldn't peel the smile from her face 😊
I bought the even-smaller but turbo version of this, the 1.4L Abarth 124, partly based on your Fiat review. One of my better decisions, and a shame it didn't sell better. Displacement is fine but i do enjoy beating all the bigger boys through the curves, and feeling outside while I'm driving.
I had a 124 abarth, did you have trouble selling yours? I bought it from cazoo 2018 plate 30k miles… sold it back to cazoo for 1000 more than I bought it from them 😅 I don’t know how I managed it but it happened, got 17k for it,
I loved it but I wanted the same general experience but with a hard top and a revvier engine so I decided to get an mx5 RF in its place, the 124 was also loud as hell from the factory, sounded amazing but it was a little too much for my taste, attracted the wrong type of attention.
Hi Jay . Have to agree with you about the 3rd Gen (NC) . I’m an older 6ft 3 in & I’ve got a mint 2010 model here in Western Australia. If ever you feel like visiting you can use mine . Bonus ! They don’t rust here . Buy one from OZ & take it back with you . Cheers Simon