Why Omega Charges DOUBLE for an Outdated Movement? | Speedmaster 321 Ed White
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- In 1965, Ed White stepped out of the Gemini 4 and began the first space walk for America. In 2020, Omega recreated the watch he wore on that mission complete with the 321 movement so coveted by collectors. Today we explore why this watch is worth twice the already expensive Speedmaster Professional.
⌚ and 👕: www.HAUTEONES.shop
By far the clearest explanation of column wheel vs cam actuated chronograph to a layperson like me.
Thanks buddy, learned a lot on this one!
Facts
Just received my 321 from the boutique here in Canada, last Speedy Tuesday. LOVE the reference. The perfect blend of modern build construction with all the vintage cues. It’s literally like wearing a museum piece on the wrist without the worry. Omega nailed it as far as I’m concerned, (biased as I may be).
i am very happy for you 🙂
Vancouver boutique?
@@Raven77844 yes, the only one in Canada.
@@beagle101ful im curious how long did you wait for the 321?. Did you have a past buying history with the boutique?
@@Raven77844 my wait was about 7 months. I believe it all comes down to connecting with the right sales associate and having a genuine passion for this reference. I had no prior spend history. In fact it is my very first Omega. I am an avid space nerd and also have a passion for the Lemania 2310 movement. I think all of that came through during my conversations with the Boutique. Good luck to you … IMO it’s a bargain. To the fellow who asks why pay double for an outdated movement, these start at over $40k in other brands. The 321 isn’t for you if you have to ask.
Nicely done Max...thank you again for the work you out into your content. The history, the explanation and review! Camera work still put to snuff!
Thanks Ed, you rock!
Great videography today, loved the macros. I haven’t even taken a “cliff notes” course on Speedys. I’m told as a watch fanatic I “must have one in my collection!”, but must I ? I think for the time being I’ll keep admiring them from afar, but this 321 is definitely worth admiration. Super coverage Max
Thanks Michael, once you own one, the obsession hits hard 😅. I'm a lost cause
Excellent depth of speedy knowledge Max👌
Cheers my man 👍
Your video is very well done. Thank you.
oh boy that is gorgeous, you're slowly talking me into getting a speedy Max.
Haha, those is slowly becoming a speedmaster channel 😆
a very detailed review and explanation about the watch. Well done!
Thanks Anthony! High praise from a fellow enthusiast 👍
Great presentation! Thank you!
Fantastic content, keep up the great work!
Great animation and production. Love the video
Thanks Robert! It's easy when the watch is so pretty 😉
It’s a work of art. Great video.
Agreed Andrew, so pretty😍
Great content! Such an underated channel, unfortunetly...
Thanks for the compliment dinis!
One of the best videos I’ve seen on it. I’d probably buy one if I could get one. My AD was not encouraging about it.
Don't give up! 😊
Im new to your channel and this was my first video. Congrats on a very well presented, balanced and informative presentation, really enjoyed it and have now subscribed. Love our watch world lol
Thanks Barry! Welcome to the channel 👍
Have been into watches for 10 years now. At this stage, I would happily sell a few pieces to have this 321 caliber Speedmaster as my only mon-fri watch.
I feel the same way, this is the perfect speedy
Lovely review of the 321 Speedmaster. I personally own the 3861 because accuracy and magnetic resistance are important to me. It's great that you pointed out that the stopwatch seconds hand can sometimes jump when the wheels come together. Some people don't know that this is normal.
Awesome details my friend 👌 thanks for a great job 🙏👍😎
Thanks my brother! Keep having a good weekend 😉👍
@@WatchCrunchOfficial actually it its not. There are some bevelling on the lugs of the FOIS that this doesn’t have as it was not date correct. Btw they couldn’t have changed the case, would have ruined it
Lovely video, the production quality you have going on at your channel is incredible. As for the watch, the Ed White has my heart but my wallet does not agree unfortunately!
Wow first time to your channel and am impressed. Love you graphics. Personally I've never lusted after a speedmaster I have had at least three opportunities to buy one and ultimately passed. I do have and older DeVille and a 300m non 🌊 dial with the 2500D. Love them. But the Speedie never spoke to me. But thanks
for explaining what the fuss on the Ed White is all about.
Thanks Robert! You have a good taste and watches, and the great thing about this hobby is that we get to jump down different rabbit holes at different times 😁
Such a sweet watch!
excellent video
Thanks for a great review, I'm lucky enough to have an original '^65 Ed White' I've owned since 1978, I love it for it's simplicity and the 'Apollo/Moon Watch' that captivated me in the '60's. The 'Cal 321' is a brilliant movement robust and reliable, just what's needed when you're far from home?!
Great video!!! On the list.
Cheers Scott, enjoy your weekend👍
This watch is literally the best Omega watch put out in 30 years..
Great video!
Thanks Nick, you rock 👊
Love the video, I just went out and buy one from the Omega boutique.
Congrats! It's a great speedy
Well said. Good video.
Thanks Jeff. You rock 👊
Beautiful Watch. Hopefully one day I can become the captain of the speedmaster club. For now, me and my speedy racing will have to settle for members only status
You're definitely a VIP member 😎
Great video.
Thanks Steve! 👍
Another note on the cam vs column-wheel debate, the cam-shuttle system (which is what the 861-3861 models use, not just a cam alone) is more durable than a column wheel. The latter is more prone to damage, as the crenellations can break off during impact. With the cam-shuttle system, this is not a concern.
lol, wishful thinkers. when something is inferior ppl come up with oh its more durable 🤣
@@doperdr how is it inferior?
@@IPerfectDark column wheel is smooth in operation, seconds hand doesnt jump when you activate the function.
nice video within a short time frame
Thanks for letting me get my grubby hands on it 😎👍
I've just bought a SeaGull 1963 manual wind column wheel chronograph. Of course not in the same league as this but exquisite nonetheless. Just like the 321, it's an old movement originally produced by Venus who sold the design and machinery to SeaGull
It does kind of beg the question, how can they produce that watch at a tiny fraction of the cost of the Omega.
I've no axe to grind here.
I do actually own a Speedmaster 1863 Sapphire sandwich which I bought in 2008 and is a treasured procession.
Good stuff, yes the seagull story is a cool one 👌
I'm curious to know your thoughts on the Speedmaster Blue Side of the Moon with aventurine dial. I find it to be quite underrated with ceramic case and aventurine dial for the price point.
And discontinued
awesome explanation of the clutches etc thanks
Once upon a time, I bought a 1939 Tissot watch, ref 6216, with Lemania CH 27 column wheel movement. An early version of the Lemania 2310 - the 321 at Omega. But the same Lemania 2310 was also used among others by Breguet, Vacheron Constantin and Patek Philippe, and enduring in 2022 with the latest 321 Omega iterations. As for me, my Speedmaster is a 1967 145.012. One cannot reproduce the aging, that it was actually made back then, and yes the 1960s ones are grails. Would I trade my old 321 for a modern day Ed White ? Over my dead body.
Love love those vintage speedys! Just makes me nervous about buying an "original" one 😅
I would trade in a used watch for a New one- however I hope I can get the 321 in the 1 or 2 coming years and look at the watch in 20 years and see the wear and Tear of it like you do now with your vintage Speedmaster :-)
So, without the crown guards, the case is officially 2 mm smaller BUT the diameter of the bezel is probably the same as the Professional 42 mm diameter model? That is, it probably looks and wears the same size. Thanks for the video!
am gona buy mine next yr
Wow so good investment
Another detail worth noting is that the Omega wordmark is also true to the original (it‘s not Futura). On the FOiS they stuck to the current Futura wordmark
Wow, good call! Someone knows their stuff! 👍
Max. Great presentation for 321. I am new to your channel. In your humble opinion, if your were to have only one speedmaster to the collection,would choose this one over the hesalite or sapphire 3861? Thanks
Thanks! I would do the Sapphire due to the display back.
This is literally the only "new" Omega I've lusted after in decades... Wish Rolex would take one out of this playbook and re-issue an original Submariner.
I believe that most of Rolex customers atm dont want a non flashy watch like the old Subs (sadly). Imho old Rolexes like the GMT 1675 are the best ones out there.
Not just any vintage 321 from the museum was scanned.. it was Gene Cernans Apollo 17 speedy
It’s so pretty.
Yeah it's a looker 😀
You said the movement was identical, but another video said that they adapted the coaxial escapement..
What is the name of the song in the beginning of the video?
I’ve called multiple boutiques and AD’s and I’ve had no luck on the 321. Should I just resign myself to having to pay 20k plus on the Grey market to get this watch? Has anyone had any luck buying this from an AD? Do you pretty much have to play the same game as you do with Rolex AD’s?
I heard they are out everywhere, limited production of the 321 😬
I am getting it Friday along with the new omega speed master moonshine gold green dial. And about 8 months ago picked up the 50yr snoopy.
After handling the watch in the metal, do you believe the watch is worth it’s MSRP?
I think it's very subjective right? If you're at the point in your speedmaster collecting journey that you can appreciate how rare it is to have this combination of features, then I think you can find a way to justify the price. I don't know if I'm quite there yet? But the problem is the watch is limited and going for a hefty premium on the secondary market even If you want one.
@@WatchCrunchOfficial makes sense, so would you still buy it if you get the chance? Maybe buy but not keep 🤣
So why did the go away form it ?
I think explaining this watch’s higher price compred to the professional is quite simple: the people shopping for this watch are not moonwatch customers. They are vintage speedmaster Ed White buyers for whom the price of this watch is perfectly reasonable. That’s why it’s limited too. It’s not supposed to be a volume seller.
Pretty cool...they could given it a more modern case, though!
Yeah that's true! I think the case is identical to the FOIS
The current 3861 model is so good what is the advantage of this model? I get that it is hand made and a pre moon watch replica but so what? Is the 3861 that bad?
It is beautiful but my grail is the ultraman! Wish it not too expensive
Hey bijak, look for an ultraman video coming soon 😉
I've been trying to ignore this watch because I don't want to chase another "wait-listed" watch...I think this video ruined that plan... thanks 😅
I totally feel your pain. The speedy is undoubtedly a classic, but like you, didn't want to be a sheep, but I recently tried on the brand new sapphire sandwich and was blown away. I don't think id shell out 10k for this version, but am tempted with the SS, although wifey would go nuts lol
Haha, I'm here for your relapsing watch habit Thad 😉
It is insane how this watch costs less than a steel Daytona.
Don't need to be the captain of the speedmaster club. I'd be content being the 12th guy on the bench lol.
Yeah I would love to buy it. The problem is, you can't get it.
Yep, limited production and damn flippers!
The Speedmaster dial is not an original design. In 1954 the Rodania Geometer came out with it.
Yea great. I’m not swapping for my 8361, or 9300 thanks.
Am i wierd for thinking this is excellent value?? Not if you want to get a speedy, but a historical watch in general? I mean, this over the Daytona any time, and you can actually get this. Even on the grey market this is a bit more than retail but better than twice retail for a Daytona.
Finishing on par, much more historical, and the movement is much much better. Not in terms of specification but in terms of what you get, a new vintage movement. Yeah, the daytona is automatic with hacking and is much more accurate. But tell me, we dont get watches for the main reason to tell the time
It is STILL only a speedmaster.
Still not sure why the 321 was abandoned to the point of Omega having to reverse engineer the Ed White. Is cost of production the only reason? Why is that not a simple explanation?
I think it did come down to cost cutting, it is perplexing though, how hard is it to keep some blueprints around in a drawer? 🤔
@@WatchCrunchOfficial If you've worked on any engineering project, you'll soon find that the drawings and the 'as built' construction and operation are rarely identical.
Its standard Omega hype. If the movement was so important, why did they have to scan all the movement parts from a watch in a museum? They could have just asked me for mine. Really, no 321 parts left...where did the parts for my 321 come from when it was sent to Bienne for service? Someone in Omega could not find an original 321 movement? Couldnt they just go on ebay. Its a nice story to make things sound rare.
Overall, its a really nice looking watch. The new bracelet looks amazing. If I really wanted to spend 14k on a 321 cal, I would rather find an original Ed White or 145.012 and get it serviced. Especially now since there's a "whole new workshop with experienced watchmakers". BTW, you called them beige markers, but its still a fauxtina (fake patina). Is the column wheel so super special? I have a chrono that uses a column-wheel mechanism for less than $200.
Would have been super cool if the origins of this watch when like this: Omega went into archives and found a batch or limited supply of the original of cal. 321 made from the 60s and designed the new Ed White to pay homage around the original vintage movements.
The Captain of the Speedmaster Club at my school wears a 105-012. This is for the millennial with dads credit card who doesn't want to buy another Apple watch.
The pee colored lume alone is enough to deter me.
This watch received a notably poor review in Watchtime just now, receiving a composite rating of only 82. The watch was negatively critiqued for its poor operability and inaccurate (13 second deviation) timekeeping (the watch is not COSC certified). I’ve owned Speedmasters in the past but frankly, I have a difficult time understanding how this watch is even remotely worth it’s lofty price.
👍🏼
I love my aqua terra, but I don’t get speedmaster and it’s cult.
I think it's about the story...
@@WatchCrunchOfficial it reminds me of the seagull 1963
That's because it's a cult.
Without a distinct look of the lyre lugs and crown guard, it looks like a TAG Heuer Carrera Chronograph
Omega just made up a complicated story to increase their price. Only an idiot would believe they didn’t keep any blueprints around. Which precision 4-axis machining, you can create the part at a fraction of the current asking price.
if youre not into speedmasters, youre not gonna get haute ones
Bwahahaha 🤎
It is flipping fauxtina, the only thing wrong with it....
It's not heavy but it's definitely there 😁
Porn! 🤣
😍
i dont like the lugs, dont like the bracelet.
At that price point, its trash.
Never got the hype on this,ugly looking watches.
I rather purchase snopy and ap, fuck speedmaster 321 history you pay twice and you selll like average speedy LOL
Snoopy is a cute toy. 321 is for men.
@@watchfalcon122 snoopy is for smart investor , 321 is for a fool and his gold
@@chrisskywalker3764 sorry. I don’t buy watches to feed my family
@@watchfalcon122 who cares abt ur family.. none of my business
@@chrisskywalker3764 Good luck with your watch investment business. Hope you make it one day and can buy yourself a watch.
The visualisation of the clutch and gear engagement is superb. Now I got it. Thank you.
Subscription applied 🫡
excellent video
Thanks bud 👍