Welp, just noticed i misheard what destiny said, i thought he gave a specific tip which he didnt. He only said this is a situation where she couldve done better. Everything i commented is irrelevant lol.
@@iver_0037 Wow, you cannot be serious. Are you saying that getting and looking after your own drink has no impact on the likelihood of being roofied? Zero impact at all?
I must applaud all these UK-based streamers for their diligent work in dispelling the idea that everyone with an English accent is an intelligent person.
“Not all men will rape you. Most won’t. Some might not even realize they are and they may just push your boundaries a little too far. Make sure you speak up for yourself no matter how awkward it gets and say something if you feel like it’s happening. It will stop it from happening 9 times out of 10.” That’s not a hot take. Why is this so hard.
Because this isn't what women are taught to deal with. They're taught to deal with extremes, not taught to understand that different people have different understandings of what's extreme. There's literal sugar daddy type cringe lords out in this world who think a woman *wants* to get seduced and pseudo-raped because "all women want an aggressive man". Likewise there are ACTUAL women out in the world who like men like this. Voicing your concerns shouldn't be embarrassing or awkward, it should be common sense. If I don't want someone to treat me in a way I don't like it's up to ME to tell that person in any way possible that I don't like it. This isn't even a defense of people who roofie drinks either. Men that do that belong in prison and they're not even part of the debate. It's like comparing apples to oranges, because drugging someone up with malicious intent isn't comparable to trying to seduce someone and critically failing. Women are not taught to deal with red flags. They're taught to let red flags happen and then respond with critical de-escalation attempts when it's too late.
Leftists don't acknowledge that responsibility and agency are even linked. Victim blaming is a buzz-term, therefore it must be defended even at the cost of consistency and looking like a complete regard. These simple discussions have the same energy as those body-cam videos of drunk drivers being pulled out the window of a crashed car while screaming they did nothing wrong and the cops are abusing them. 😆
The fact he was so happy at the end and saying that he destroyed Destiny shows that it was never about defending women it was about self-aggrandizing and virtue signaling
@@askers_ Nobody "destroyed" anyone. They agreed on pretty much everything, but this turgid moron just wanted to win on optics against Destiny by saying he was mean, blaming victims, and minimizing men's behavior.
The ending analogy about drunk driving (which was also teased at the beginning) was the turning point for me. I heard Destiny's take in the beginning, listened to the first convo against this same guy, and watched Vaush's vid, and honestly thought Destiny's take was pretty bad. Hearing the drunk driving analogy was the moment that made me understand his perspective. You can get into a car accident because someone else was drunk driving, and they are 100% at fault, but still you could have done actions to not get in that car accident. And that, again, doesn't mean you are at fault. If a guy stealths a girl, the guy is 100% at fault. Still, the girl could have taken steps to avoid that from happening. That doesn't mean she was at fault, and it doesn't mean we shouldn't also be telling guys not to rape. I've also listened to the big panel conversation, and man, people seem to really turn their brains off at this. Everyone, including Destiny, can agree that men are at fault for committing the rape, and we should tell men not to rape. But WHILE AGREEING WITH THAT, Destiny can also add that there are steps women can make that reduce the chances of that happening. And then everyone freaks out and forgets that Destiny also believes the guy was shitty and 100% at fault.... At the end of the day, everyone wants less rape to happen. If we only ever focus on men, yeah, less rapes will probably happen. But if we focus on men AND women, then even less rapes will happen.... and yeah, even with the specific person's example from Twitter, if she keeps getting stealthed over and over again, then yeah, maybe take a break from having casual sex, or sex in general, or whatever. It's like when people hear that, it seems so fucking horrible, like "no, women HAVE to be able to have casual sex, and she can never be empowered to speak out and reassert her boundaries, and until MEN and only men do ALL of the changing, women have to be fucking rag dolls and accept their fate......" Idk, I feel like the driving analogy is such a 1 to 1 comparison, but no one seems to apply the same logic to sex. If you still follow precautions and practice defensive driving, yet you keep getting hit by drunk drivers.... well fuck, maybe you just have to stop driving. Same thing with sex.
good. glad you can see it now. yes there is a difference between fault and blame and responsibility. this is why 70% of people are hard stuck in low elo in games. if you're playing a game like dark souls, whether you win or lose is your responsibility, but you can place the blame on why you lose on the developers or npcs if you want. you can A. say the game or developers are to blame or at fault or responsible for you not being able to beat it because they made it too hard, or B, say it's your own fault/responsibility that you can't beat the game because you lack the skills. and with multiplayer games, you can choose to blame everyone else, and not improve yourself, or you can improve everything you do wrong, and understand that some losses are in fact the fault of the person running it down, BUT, in many circumstances, had you played perfect, you would have won. that doesn't mean it's your "fault" you lost that game, but you could have prevented it, but depending on how you view the definition of fault, it could be your "fault" you lost, cause had you played perfect you would have won, but the blame still wouldn't be on you, it'd be on the guy who ran it down.
9:39 i just noticed how even on his point where he parades about being right hes shooting himself in the foot. Because the reason why the self defence course reduces rapes is because well... the women are more confident TO SPEAK UP *WHICH IS LITERALLY DESTINYS POINT HE WAS AGAINST THAT POINT*
Also, 30 hour courses is not like two days and done. Almost every course is at most, 2 hours every two days. Which is like at least 3 months. He's making it sound like is just a week course.
@@duke222222 I havent watched the full talk yet, so that was my comedy take on it. But I'll take your word on it, that he came out of his hugbox. Or was he just guarding the door to the hugbox. ;D -edit- misspelling.
i dont like these comments. you could never prove that is his intentions so why bother saying it. youre just making the community look bad for no reason
We don't send people to prison to "punish" we do it to keep people away and having a miscommunication isn't "rape" remotely the same way actual criminal rape is. This Is like saying anytime you insult or annoy someone it should be treated as harrassment. This guy is so dumb
Its funny how his chat will actively disagree with him until he agrees with destiny on a point, then switch up and act like destiny didn't already say this in the previous encounter. Seeing people like this make me wonder if im doing the same type of thing so i hope to god im not this dumb.
destiny PLEASE reduce the game sound volume on your videos. I understand that some people enjoy the backround gameplay, but it doesnt need to be so damn loud. Love u btw
It felt like this was going to be a repeat of the first discussion but it actually became productive and interesting once Destiny told him to forget about Twitter and whatever they said in the last discussion and just focus on what they can agree on rn. Even on the prime panel with the exception of spectre and the Gabi chick, katie and I feel like most people understand Destiny's take and agree, but are upset with how he spoke to the victim on Twitter which I think is a valid critic. Destiny did jump the gun and get stuff wrong initially about her watching him take the condom off and not saying anything because she felt it was awkward. I think that's fine since that is how I understood the tweet as well so I get interpreting it that way. But once the victim clarified and people like Hanz (and the other dude he had a discussion with who's not Hanz or Duncan. Idk his name but hopefully you know who I'm talking about) I wish he'd just give a bit more acknowledgment to that. With Hanz he just said "Oh well why are people mad at me then she's the one who fucked up" (idk if that's a direct quote but it was essentially what he was saying from my pov) and then later with the other dude I can't remember he just kept saying that the discourse isn't about that chick and even though she clarified later on the discourse had already taken off. While it's true that the discourse did take off, I don't agree that this isn't about the initial tweets or that chick at all because there hasn't been a single discussion on this topic that didn't make a reference to either of the two. Everyone who disagrees with Destiny has brought that up so it's clear to me that that is the main issue. Just because Destiny doesn't care about being nice on Twitter doesn't really make the criticism less valid.
Yeah it feels like they're starting with the base assumption "destiny is an asshole" (which is true!) but not really going any further than beyond that. Like, Destiny will frequently be an asshole, and then afterwards retreat to a very defensible position. But the being-an-asshole part is the thing that you really have a problem with, so don't bother attacking that very defensible position! Attack him for being an asshole!
47:24 No, the girl should not be punished and I would not support "pressing charges." And to be clear, I also don't think the guy in Destiny's earlier similar scenario should be criminally charged. This is ridiculous they're even entertaining putting these type of people in jail.
How would you even police this whole "well if she feels like a victim" then yeah she should go for it and sue...and even if you could, I can't even fathom the ridiculous abuse you could have at the expense of innocent people (say with people changing their minds about consensual sex to just pressing charges to extract money, concessions and enact revenge etc. by claiming oops you overstepped my boundaries). I feel like soon enough people will start videotaping their sex sessions to prove it was all consensual...maybe have some special hotels for this with perma cctv lol. Could make a mint off this according to this guy...could work like those automatic car park fines for overstaying. Every time a guy grabs a boob without permission he gets a fine sent to his house haha :D.
I was raped by a man I've known for 5 years in a group of people I've known for 5 years, I was drugged. It wasn't a stranger and I'd been partying with these friends with them ensuring my safety for YEARS. Is that my responsibility? Because in that case, the driver wasn't driving erratically. He swerved into me at the last second.
Your responsibility is to put yourself in the best position you can, and if it doesn't work, that's not your fault. He's saying that you can reduce the likelihood of it happening , not to stop it completely. Also I'm sorry that happened to you
@@f4rt989 Since we don't want to send innocent people to prison, someone saying they liked it would be good evidence in favor of it being consensual and therefore many people will err on the side of caution and not send them to prison. That isn't quite the same thing as saying that liking it necessarily means it wasn't rape.
That’s a pretty good analogy. It’s amazing how far some people will go to avoid saying that women have any agency. He had already agreed that there are things women can do to avoid assault. But something in his brain won’t allow him to agree with obviously true points from Destiny.
The stupid thing is when he said the ruffying, it answers his question from the first interaction on women shouldnt go out on dates then. He agrees to the black and white yes or no situations when there wasn’t any.
@@russelld2925 oh he agrees allright. Some on this comment section think he disagrees for the sake of it, imo though it's about keeping up his persona of "guy who argues with Destiny", otherwise he might lose credibility&clout (in his imagination).
This is exactly the analogy I thought of. Like, don't walk through a dark alley alone in a dangerous neighborhood. People SHOULDN'T rob you or assault you, but you also shouldn't be stupid and take unnecessary risks.
Classic 2-faced progressives. When they're in front of someone who proved themselves smarter than them "Oh haha sorry about how I was the other night I was actually kinda high so I said some dumb stuff haha :)", as soon as he leaves "I FUCKING DESTROYED HIM WHEN I WAS HIGH".
its like this guy is being as uncharitable as possible and arguing for the sake of arguing. i dont feel like he actually disagrees that much, its more like he doesn't want to be caught agreeing with destiny and getting shat on by his chat for it
He’s just a white knight and didn’t like destiny placing part of the blame on that woman. He couldn’t logically argue destiny’s point in the first one because he agrees. He just think destiny is an asshole regardless of whether he is right or wrong.
He is arguing for the sake of arguing. You can tell as much when he laughs and prides himself on “beating destiny while being high and sober” and “making him rage quit.” He really doesn’t care about the conversation or the points at all.
Destiny: "Sometimes things can happen during sex that arent fully communicated well between the partners" Duncans Chat Translation: "SO YOURE SAYING RAPE IS GOOD????"
A couple of things are clear from this exchange. 1. The enjoyment destiny gets from conflict is scary. 2. This guy who claims to not know destiny really cares a lot about destiny.
@@zenleeparadise yeah arguing can be fun but the ability to argue with a person that has sincerely decided to be intentionally insincere, obtuse and personal is a clear sign of Destiny's compulsion to want to argue. I'm not even saying it is bad but instead of smoking high grade weed from the dispensary this is more like smoking grass clippings.
My favorite thing about this video is the person at 22:50 asking if destiny is being racist because he doesn't think a finger in the ass is part of a normal everyday sexual encounter in some country and getting the response "He brought up black people yesterday for whatever reason so". And that's apparently enough for the first person to decide that yes, Destiny is racist. Amazin
This conversation was weird. For a while in the middle Destiny finally got this guy to start engaging in good faith. Then it was like a switch flipped and the guy disengaged and started acting like an ass again. Why? The conversation was finally going somewhere but I guess he realized he was agreeing with Destiny too much?
Right, it seems so dishonest. It was the same in the previous video, the 2 vs 3 panel. At some point, people become scared that they agree with Destiny when the hip thing is to hate and shit on him.
The fact this guy thinks he "destroyed" Destiny is the exact reason why Destiny should never debate him again, the guy is just on another planet, its so cringe, As a Brit I have to apologize for this gremlin
This guy approaches the conversation from 2 standpoints: 1. Destiny is bad 2. Because destiny is bad, I can't be seen agreeing with him And the only way he knows how to engage with this topic is with super pre rehearsed dialogue which is why he keeps dragging the topic to things that aren't being said
He clearly misread and misunderstood the study at first. He was banning people left and right in his chat who said he didn't understand what he read. Then afterwards he realized his misreading, was embarrassed and tried to pivot out of it.
That because when you miss the first paragraph of the abstract of a study you just kinda look fucking stupid and no pivot can save you. His chat knew it, our chat knew it, and in the end this guy should just see himself off the internet.
@@darkman452 ya, read his chatters, there was on dude saying "I TOLD YOU YOU MISREAD IT, I actually kind of like you so I wanted to prepare you" or something like that. funniest part of his chat, is when they arent blindly missing the point, they completely realize duncan has no idea what he is talking about, than they get triggered by a word, and go back to blindly missing the point. such a beautiful cycle. Worth the rewatch if you didnt read duncans chat. js.
@@croppedcrit8812 This explains most people Destiny argues with. They start to realize Destiny's points and kinda agree and then bham get triggered by something and then refuse to engage at all with Destiny.
So if I tell my daughter never to take drinks from strangers at a bar, I'm a rape apologist? This guy is just arguing because he doesn't want to be caught agree8ng with destiny. A woman should be responsible in looking out for herself by not letting her drink out of her sight or not letting other people handle her drink or the responsibility of not getting wasted in a bar full of strangers, by not leading on inebriated men, yet it is absolutely NOT her fault if she gets raped. These two ideas are not mutually exclusive
@@kg356 and how do destiny and the bonger propose to solve the social issue at the macro level?? Ah right they literally agreed on everything. The thing they didn't agree on was destinys advice for women, which is what my comment is based on. Also yes solving poverty actually does include encouraging people to stay in school and at the very least completing high-school. Also having children outside of financial stability is a great way to fuck your life (i dont belive marriage is special). Education and opertunity are great ways to help the impoverished. There are societal changes we can implement to help the impoverished and there are individual level changes we can do to help the impoverished. Both are necessary to help as quickly as possible, denying the individual level change is naive. You didn't think about this much did you?
@@kg356 no? but if someone tells their kid to stay in school and you walk up to them and tell them they shouldn't give that advice because that doesn't solve poverty, you'd be a moron.
The inability of ppl to understand that those ideas are not mutually exclusive insane thing to understand.i said this a lot during this whole arc, destiny's take broke a lot of simple minded brains.
Destiny is 100% right that these people are entirely incapable of having any responsible, sober discussion on the topic. In this nutsack's case, both figuratively and literally.
Destiny: "So we're both aware that you can't protect yourself 100%, but you can reduce this risks through these steps" Bonger: "So you realize no matter what we do you can't 100% guarantee that you're not gonna get rape so we shouldn't give any advice" over and over and over and over again. Also just looking at his chat just makes me want to off myself, in a videogame ofc.
Speaking of nutsacks, I had an ex that would keep trying to play with my balls and stuff even AFTER I made it clear I didn't enjoy it, and it's just wild to me that in this guys worldview she should literally be imprisoned for that LoL. I mean, it meets all of his criteria. I asked her to stop. I made it clear I didn't enjoy it. She did it again. It goes exactly with what Destiny is saying in that there is nuance to these situations that aren't super easy to communicate when you are talking in black and white like the other guy.
@@hybridpsycho Duuuude about the chat, I cannot agree enough lol. I keep on glancing at it and wanting to dive headfirst into the pavement so Im purposefully not looking at it 95% of the time lol, same with their previous talk
As a step back from this conversation in particular, the most important step in becoming mature is being able to separate responsibility and blame. If we can't give people responsibility without blaming them for failures, the only two outcomes are telling people that they're just a bad, malicious person because they fucked up and now they can't learn to improve or telling someone that they don't have responsibility because they aren't to blame and now, again, people can't learn to improve.
@@synlion i think when you're younger it's easier for some people to take an idealistic approach that the society itself should just change. some people grow out of it and recognize descriptively there are steps you can take to maximize your safety, and some people become the guy destiny is debating, I guess
The ending is so telling. It was never about actually understanding any of the points. He really just wanted to say “he beat destiny and made him rage quit.”
That creepy laugh at the end, combined with how happy he is with "winning" a debate makes me think he is just being super ingenious on purpose in regards to Destiny's arguments, so that his chat can circle jerk his ego. This debate was at least somewhat better, but the fact he thinks he "won" the first debate, in which he said himself he was high and came off very stupid and said some really stupid shit, is truly mind-numbing.
I have no idea how he thinks he won anything. He said nothing of importance the entire time. He's not capable of understanding the nuance of the conversation.
"women should take preventative measures to protect themselves and assert their agency." "yeah but they shouldn't have to." there, that's the whole debate.
@@EskiLdn If my child, God forbid, ever gets lured and assaulted by someone, I would never place the BLAME on them. However, it is my RESPONSIBILITY to educate them on how to protect themselves, and its my child’s RESPONSIBILITY to listen and use the advice given when necessary. Telling a victim that there are preventative measures they can take, is just looking out for their safety, not placing blame whatsoever. Would you rather be safe, or right?
@@francothesucc9701 You've misunderstood my post, I 100% agree with you. Thats why i put the "lol" But the point is that this guy says that saying women should educate themselves on how to protect themselves is victim-blaming. Thats crazy.
Your responibility is to put yourself in the best position possible to your ability. And its not your fault if things still went wrong, because you have done all you could! How is this so complicated?
Lets just be honest. She got r*ped 4 times, 3 were no big deal, she's going out again friday. Lots of men and women in disagreement. They just want to fuck. Self respect > sex > getting r*ped
It's not complicated, Duncan just wants to virtue signal and score points on optics by making it look like Destiny is inadvertently victim blaming and being a rape apologist.
Well, it's complicated enough for you to also have missed Destiny's point, apparently. It's not your fault, even if you didn't do *all* you could, but that doesn't mean you don't have responsibility to try and improve your chances.
What is hilarious about this guy is that he actually agrees with everything destiny says he just doesn't want to admit it because it makes him look bad. He basically admits it at the end of the last conversation.
All his disagreements are personal perceptions of tone-policing "you should not say X to Y in Z circumstance" - okay, but that's your personal reading of it
This guy's trying to come up with a million edge cases, all in the hopes of avoiding common sense that we can all take steps to have some level of agency in our lives
The last part where he laughs at "destroying" Destiny really shows where his motivation lies. He doesn't care about helping women or having more productive conversations. He just wants to appear right and virtue signal for internet brownie points.
Oh sweet, another hour of "I agree with all your points, but why are you so mean when you make them" It even ended in a super helpful and insightful "rape is bad and the rapist is the one to blame". Fantastic
@@shadowgame0630 who gives a shit dude, these clowns that live on twitter actively look for shit to cry about. We need people like Destiny to talk about the hard stuff despite all the trigger babies
@@Zenbon111 i memba when destiny talked about being more rhetorically effective. You memba? I agree that his take really isn't terribly offensive, but based on all these convos it was clearly a terribly innefective way to start the dialogue.
32:35 "missberyl" in the chat is unable to make the distinction between rape and rape culture at the very moment Destiny is explaining the difference. It feels like there isnt a single person in this guys chat that is actually listening to the conversation. They just hear specific words that spark their attention, like a dog that sees a squirrel and then they quickly type the most vapid, virtue-signaling thing they can think of.
I literally watched the first 2 minutes and when he hit Destiny with the "Do you know how good some guys are at roofying drinks?" I had to pause and take a lap.
Also, as someone who was drugged at a party and r*ped during a time in my life that I was having a problem with partying and drinking and just not making the best decisions I KNOW (now) that what happened wasn’t my fault. However, I’m grateful that I had a therapist who helped me formulate a plan to avoid that scenario in the future. I went through 4 therapists until I found this one and that process he helped me with a) helped me heal and b) made me more in control of my safety. Of course there are situations where it doesn’t matter how much you focus on safety but in my case I could’ve been better on that. Taking some of the responsibility helped me recover. I was able to make peace with myself.
Destiny, stop engaging with this guy. He’s so bad faith and dishonest and spineless. He makes Lance from the Serfs look like a confident and competent debater
@@borodmislovich8239 people tend to believe that just because they are “political ideology x” that they are automatically a good person and anyone who disagrees with them is dogshit. But it turns out the person you disagree is making valid points and you can’t handle the idea that you are wrong and your beliefs are incorrect. It’s a massive cope basically. He’s coping and he can’t just own up and admit he’s wrong
I dont think hes as bad faith as the two from yesterday I give specter a pass cause all he was doing was mumbling about tone policing. This guy is just trying to save face by thinking of the weirdest hyper specific cases that no one would use to give general advice. Bad faith yea. But eh
Steven likes those debates though, I understand the frustration and I would like it to end as well but I think it genuinely helps Steven at growing his conversation/debate skills or at the very least keep them sharp for more important events down the line
That first 1:30 secs of the video was so easy to understand and so simple. It should have put this debate to rest. But the guys follow up was, as expected, brain melting.
Right but....you know how good some criminals are at crime? BOOM, MICDROP!!!!! I swear, sometimes I wish Destiny didn't put up these "upcoming" sections, it always spoils the most cringe worthy stuff
Because the argument always boils down to destiny is too mean on twitter, but no one wants to admit that because I guess they think it makes them look weak or sensitive but in reality it's perfectly fine to think destiny is right on the core point, but also too mean on twitter. Its just pointless to debate someone being "too mean" when they've already had that discussion at least a dozen time and shown no willingness to change. So it ends up being destiny knowing it's just about him being too mean and his opponent not wanting to say that so endlessly trying to carve out any kind of win that makes them not look like an idiot or just admit they think destiny is too mean
What a tremendous walk back by this guy. He now claims he never argued that the victim shouldn’t fight back because of a fear of violence, when he vigorously defended that statement during the last conversation. He called Destiny’s argument trash, but now suddenly agrees with it and moves the goalposts over to tone policing the initial tweets. Destiny could definitely engage in a better way, don’t get me wrong, but this guy is slimy as hell.
I can’t speak to this guys martial arts experience but given that he’s already being selective with his information (the top section of that study) it wouldn’t surprise me if he left this out. I was an assistant martial arts instructor and one of the first things we teach is modes of preservation. In order they are Anticipate Talk Walk Defend Anticipate is the big one. It’s avoiding the bad situations before they happen. The go to example is not walking down a dark alley at night. Would it be great if everyone could? Yes. But it might not be safe. If you’re drunk the other 3 steps are lessened significantly. The reason defence is the last action is because you could be the strongest fighter in the world and still lose to a lucky punch. It also runs the risk of escalating situations
I guarantee you this guy has zero self defense knowledge. I’ve been training since I was 8 and I was never taught the model as you’ve outlined it but I was nodding the whole way through reading this. He acts like some petite 5’4” girl that weighs like 110 could just triangle choke some dude that’s got 70lbs on her. There’s a reason we teach people strategies to avoid fighting and save it for a last resort.
As a pretty conservative libertarian type I think that’s the first time rape culture was defined in not the most false and/or retarded way. Thanks for putting it wisely and thinking through your position Destiny you opened my eyes up to a side of the conversation I hadn’t thought about.
Yeah, with a lot of lefty terms, it feels like originally there was a fairly sensible term that described something pretty salient there, but as soon as it gets exposed to broader society and liberal normies got a hold of it it gets immediately transformed into the dumbest possible version of itself. It happened with Triggers, it happened to Gaslighting, it happened to a lot of critical race-whatever stuff.
@@TheNoodleGod9001 it happens within the retarded right or conservatives as well, you go from like valuing your chastity & honor to "let's stone all women who fuck", it's the exact same mentality in that the general person is just flat out retarded and can't handle complex questions.
I think there's probably some room to criticize Destiny for his tweets, but the inability of these people he's been debating to engage with the valid points he makes during these debates about this subject, makes them seem clueless and unreasonable.
It really does feel like they're saying "I agree with your points but you could have been nicer about it" except every time he asks them that they say no.
The strawmanning appears to be the natural result of his ability to only do two thing: * hyper-specific responding to a single case of one Twitter poster where only a small amount of data is readily available * histrionic levels of totalising All Steven is trying to do is describe a generic threshold for a generic person without prescribing a rule for everyone or claiming to know all the nuance of any one encounter completely These two styles do not match up, and just produce strawmanning as a result
This dude went from "You can't tell women they should have done something during their sexual assault because confronting their attacker could result in them being raped worse" to, "Destiny, I said self-defense classes were good and this study backs me because it says it helped women get out of their assault. Also I found this study that basically says the exact same thing you said but I'm going to try to browbeat you with it and pretend like I was always for telling women to resist their attackers"
The study didn't say what Destiny said lmao. Destiny only said saying something would help, the study says you have to physically fight back and say something. Only saying something to the person often resulted in a greater amount of violence.
The way this guy goes back and forth multiple time between “Rapists should always be punished” to “Rapists should be punished if the victims wants it” and then back again to “rapists should always be punished” AND THEN AGAIN BACK TO “Rapists should be punished if the victims wants it”. It’s actually insane how weasely this guy is….
@@dezkightz I want to know why he "used to" teach women's self defense. Pretty solid market for it. Not like there's a shortage of women looking to learn.
If you can’t track a conversation, don’t debate contentious topics. There was a laundry list of different issues with his comprehension and communication skills. This entire discussion should have been settled in ten minutes. If you told me this was Mike from PA’s brother, I’d believe you.
I've tutored old people trying to relearn basic math skills that have a way better comprehension than this prick. He did admit to having some issues, just doesn't seem to realize everything those issues effect.
Oh my god WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY @ 42:00?! That probably happens all the time in totally normal relationships & he wants them to go to prison? In the scenario she was literally grinding on him while they're in bed together? & then the guy stopped the second he was asked to.. like what? That's called someone realizing maybe they weren't really in the mood after they were going along with it originally. It would never be taken seriously in a court of law Edit: To be fair he clarified he for some reason thought of 2 random people not in a relationship as the example but still.
“It’s a normal thing in some countries for girls to slip a digit” okay.. maybe that’s true in some country I’ve never heard of?? But then you could also easily say “it’s a normal thing in some countries to pin down a wife to fuck her if she denies sex to her husband” Despite the fact that I think he’s fucking lying about that first point; just saying “in some other countries this is normal” does not in any way justify it or make it any less rape-y. Just because in some religious countries it’s totally okay (some might even say a divine right) for a husband to pin down a wife to rape her, that doesn’t all of sudden mean “yeah well the standards in that country are different so it’s fine and not the same as stealthing which is heavily discouraged and taboo, don’t be so racist sweaty” What fucking world does this guy live in where the relative taboo-ness of something determines whether or not it’s rape? Or whether or not it’s a violation of consent? Oh.. that’s right.. the internet world. That world. Because only on the fucking internet would I ever encounter someone trying to suggest that “slipping a digit” is whatevs, def not that serious, it’s happened to me lol it wasn’t a big deal lmao.
This dude definitely has been beaten up by his own "friends" in real life. I can literally feel it lol He constantly interrupted and then said "it's all good" like he was accepting destiny's apology for himself interrupting? Is this dude alright? Genuinely he seems like a high function "......" But I'm not sure what lol Also imagine using condoms? Weirdos
Glad to see the other guy's chat was getting more on Destiny's side this time in some parts. Last time they were universally against him, this time he was winning some over.
This was a weird one. It was like he was so adamant on disagreeing that he started short-circuiting and flipping positions back and forth. His only disagreement was that Destiny was being a douche on twitter, and he somehow spun that into 2+ hours of conversation.
That's how so many of these morons function. Their goal isn't to have legitimate political debate they just want to blood sport for viewership so they need to disagree with you about something. So what if we agree on 100% of things in this discussion, I dislike how you worded something therefor please fight me for 2 hours so I get a good week of youtube clips to farm ad revenue.
As a lovely woman I met recently said. "it takes trust for consent on both ends and even more for non vanilla sex". Even if people never do anything kink related and it is mostly vanilla sexual many of us can learn a lot from kink related safe words since it's never just one of them to stop because maybe we also need to take a step back and reassert our boundaries because sometimes even with the most respectful people those get blurred by passion without the intent of harm. Getting bogged down in the specifics of this case like this Duncan asshole did is only going to cause more harmful experiences and less experiences where people communicate their boundaries clearly and have them respected.
100% agree that people could learn a lot from kink. One word gets you to stop anything going on. Every scenario even if acting coy makes everything stop by saying one word and break someone of passion.
I mean... unless you are doing rape fantasy play, the words "no", "stop", and "get the fuck off me" seem like pretty well understood universal safe words. They've worked pretty well for me in the past. I do greatly agree that people could learn from the experience of the kink community in having proper adult conversations about sex before, during, and after having sex.
@@Puzzlesocks yeah, but in a lot of the conversations we have heard lately people don't say any of those things. I think the more important thing is that both partners encourage each other to express their discomfort if it comes up. It's not only on the woman to say no, but also on the guy to say you can say no if you need to.
@@crazymonk27 I don't know why the guy needs to reinforce that it's ok if the girl says no. A woman shouldn't need a man's permission to say no. Even better, a person shouldn't need another's permission to say no. To be clear, I think the cultural attitudes that support at least some of the sexual norms need to be broken, and that the best way to break them is by violating them openly and proudly. Sadly I've seen in Destiny's recent debates that there are at least a few people who think it's better to submit to authority than fight for themselves. History has shown us repeatedly that if you want to make serious changes you need to be willing to put yourself at risk. We have feminists literally making the argument that they would rather get raped than potentially die by resisting and helping set a new cultural standard of women standing up for themselves. Even if it's your friend. Friends can change, but you have to live with yourself for your whole life. The civil rights act would have never come to fruition if black people didn't decide it was worth potentially getting lynched to stand up for their own value as humans. I see no reason why women shouldn't do the same. As Destiny said, these people are making arguments as though the world is utopia instead of reality.
The fact that Duncan thought the reason Destiny left at the end was due to him losing the debate and not because Destiny realized it's a waste of time to continue the conversation with someone who kept looping with the same 0 IQ takes tells me just how much social awareness he lacks. Like, its obvious Destiny ended the convo because he realized it was impossible to get through Duncan's thick skull no matter how much he tried. You could even see how drained and disappointed Destiny looked at the end there when Duncan repeated the same shit takes that has been addressed multiple times already, especially when just 5 minutes ago they seemed to be getting somewhere with Duncan even agreeing with quite a few of Destiny's points but for some reason at the very end he just looped back again with the dumb arguments.
i personally think he is self aware; theres probably a mix of wanting clout, making destiny look stooopid and knowing his fanbase will agree with him ever so blindly
his takes arnt that bad, bu he constantly keeps side tracking. Basically destiny says "grass is green", and the guy is "but wait the moment i heard that i created a picture in my head and will go on a tangent about that picture rather the argument itself." and its incredibly frustrating.
@@Pink_Justice His friend asked if he won to which Destiny responded along the lines of there's no winning in these types of conversations. You would have to have a child's understanding to think that he literally meant that he lost the debate.
Lol it was though. Somehow at the end of it I ended up with his wallet and I'm pretty sure he never had a gun... Oh shit, I think I might have been the robber
Sometimes it can be. Maybe the robber is doing it for the first time and he looks nervous to the point of being comical (especially if it's a younger guy).
more accurate would be, someone comes up and asks if they can shake your hand, then on the way there their hand extends right into your pocket grabs your wallet then slowly takes it back out, then he walks away, and you said nothing the entire time.
Hold up guys! I figured it out! This guy and others like him, live solely on the internet and have never interacted with society outside of the internet! ... To think I was naive enough not to see this already.
The car crash analogy is so perfect for these situations. Just because you had an accident where someone else was at FAULT, doesn't mean you didn't have more agency to avoid it.
If you want to see people who don't understand that concept, while driving their own vehicles, sometimes with their spouse or kids in the car as well, just watch dashcam compilations. It's probably the worst way to spend your time, it's great.
Dude was wayyyy too happy about Destiny having enough of his bs and leaving the call at the end. Lmfao. Hopefully Destiny stops engaging with this dude until he learn how to properly debate and/or argue. Rambling on for 5 minutes every time and always missing the point of things is exhausting to deal with.
I now really love the echo chamber reference from the last conversation, seeing as he banned people from his chat in this one for telling him he was wrong on something. Actual windowlicker.
This Guy - “If someone wakes you up with unprecedented sex that’s rape” Also This Guy - “If someone wakes you up with sex but you enjoyed it then it’s not rape” Please make it make sense
Their previous debate ►ruclips.net/video/kvweSEnvAwg/видео.html
Should have titled this " Clout Chaser 2: Electric Boogaloo".
"It's not rape if you enjoyed it" Ahaha Destiny, you shouldn't of let him get away with that one. Im pretty sure he wouldn't of. Lol
@@mikepilkington2156 I get the impression that this dude ,has, " gotten away with" that.
@@schrodingersgat4344 Think he's used that line before? 😆
If a tree falls in the woods and no ones there to hear it, can it still consent? 🤔
@@mikepilkington2156 "It had mistletoe in the branches, officer. What was I supposed to do?"
"Remember to lock your door at night."
"Do you know how good some burglars are?!"
Literally this conversation.
Duncan’s chat; “so ur saying burglary is good????”
@@teamatfort444 minimizing robbery smh we clearly need to educate people to not be robbers
@@teamatfort444 ????????? HUHHHHH?????????
Welp, just noticed i misheard what destiny said, i thought he gave a specific tip which he didnt. He only said this is a situation where she couldve done better. Everything i commented is irrelevant lol.
@@iver_0037 Wow, you cannot be serious. Are you saying that getting and looking after your own drink has no impact on the likelihood of being roofied? Zero impact at all?
I must applaud all these UK-based streamers for their diligent work in dispelling the idea that everyone with an English accent is an intelligent person.
Thank you for speaking my mind
Just wait till you hear a scouser xD
Sargon moment
that was dispelled a while ago
Sargon dispelled that idea ages ago
“Not all men will rape you. Most won’t. Some might not even realize they are and they may just push your boundaries a little too far. Make sure you speak up for yourself no matter how awkward it gets and say something if you feel like it’s happening. It will stop it from happening 9 times out of 10.”
That’s not a hot take. Why is this so hard.
Bc it’s about getting a dunk and virtue signaling not acknowledging a point or following a logical ladder.
Because personal responsibility has been degraded.
Because this isn't what women are taught to deal with.
They're taught to deal with extremes, not taught to understand that different people have different understandings of what's extreme.
There's literal sugar daddy type cringe lords out in this world who think a woman *wants* to get seduced and pseudo-raped because "all women want an aggressive man". Likewise there are ACTUAL women out in the world who like men like this. Voicing your concerns shouldn't be embarrassing or awkward, it should be common sense. If I don't want someone to treat me in a way I don't like it's up to ME to tell that person in any way possible that I don't like it.
This isn't even a defense of people who roofie drinks either. Men that do that belong in prison and they're not even part of the debate. It's like comparing apples to oranges, because drugging someone up with malicious intent isn't comparable to trying to seduce someone and critically failing.
Women are not taught to deal with red flags. They're taught to let red flags happen and then respond with critical de-escalation attempts when it's too late.
Leftists don't acknowledge that responsibility and agency are even linked. Victim blaming is a buzz-term, therefore it must be defended even at the cost of consistency and looking like a complete regard. These simple discussions have the same energy as those body-cam videos of drunk drivers being pulled out the window of a crashed car while screaming they did nothing wrong and the cops are abusing them. 😆
The fact he was so happy at the end and saying that he destroyed Destiny shows that it was never about defending women it was about self-aggrandizing and virtue signaling
@@askers_ everyone knows that the person who stays in a conversation longest is the winner no matter the quality of the argument
It's the cackling for me at the end. Jesus Christ
it's all a game to him probably
@@askers_ Nobody "destroyed" anyone. They agreed on pretty much everything, but this turgid moron just wanted to win on optics against Destiny by saying he was mean, blaming victims, and minimizing men's behavior.
@@askers_ Destroyed his patience maybe.
The ending analogy about drunk driving (which was also teased at the beginning) was the turning point for me. I heard Destiny's take in the beginning, listened to the first convo against this same guy, and watched Vaush's vid, and honestly thought Destiny's take was pretty bad.
Hearing the drunk driving analogy was the moment that made me understand his perspective. You can get into a car accident because someone else was drunk driving, and they are 100% at fault, but still you could have done actions to not get in that car accident. And that, again, doesn't mean you are at fault.
If a guy stealths a girl, the guy is 100% at fault. Still, the girl could have taken steps to avoid that from happening. That doesn't mean she was at fault, and it doesn't mean we shouldn't also be telling guys not to rape.
I've also listened to the big panel conversation, and man, people seem to really turn their brains off at this. Everyone, including Destiny, can agree that men are at fault for committing the rape, and we should tell men not to rape. But WHILE AGREEING WITH THAT, Destiny can also add that there are steps women can make that reduce the chances of that happening. And then everyone freaks out and forgets that Destiny also believes the guy was shitty and 100% at fault....
At the end of the day, everyone wants less rape to happen. If we only ever focus on men, yeah, less rapes will probably happen. But if we focus on men AND women, then even less rapes will happen.... and yeah, even with the specific person's example from Twitter, if she keeps getting stealthed over and over again, then yeah, maybe take a break from having casual sex, or sex in general, or whatever. It's like when people hear that, it seems so fucking horrible, like "no, women HAVE to be able to have casual sex, and she can never be empowered to speak out and reassert her boundaries, and until MEN and only men do ALL of the changing, women have to be fucking rag dolls and accept their fate......"
Idk, I feel like the driving analogy is such a 1 to 1 comparison, but no one seems to apply the same logic to sex. If you still follow precautions and practice defensive driving, yet you keep getting hit by drunk drivers.... well fuck, maybe you just have to stop driving. Same thing with sex.
good. glad you can see it now. yes there is a difference between fault and blame and responsibility.
this is why 70% of people are hard stuck in low elo in games. if you're playing a game like dark souls, whether you win or lose is your responsibility, but you can place the blame on why you lose on the developers or npcs if you want. you can A. say the game or developers are to blame or at fault or responsible for you not being able to beat it because they made it too hard, or B, say it's your own fault/responsibility that you can't beat the game because you lack the skills.
and with multiplayer games, you can choose to blame everyone else, and not improve yourself, or you can improve everything you do wrong, and understand that some losses are in fact the fault of the person running it down, BUT, in many circumstances, had you played perfect, you would have won. that doesn't mean it's your "fault" you lost that game, but you could have prevented it, but depending on how you view the definition of fault, it could be your "fault" you lost, cause had you played perfect you would have won, but the blame still wouldn't be on you, it'd be on the guy who ran it down.
I wouldn't say everyone wants less rape to happen
@@Bynxandethan lol
@@Bynxandethan Redundant point
@@asmbeats5369 Redundant beats
46:09 This guy just literally conceded Destiny's point and thought he won the topic. This was like watching a pigeon play chess
yea that was weird as fuck to watch. he was so smug about it as well lol
Dunning-Kruger?
That's stupid! You won't die in real life if someone kills you in a dream.
That's the mindset of these people.
Hey man don’t talk shit about pigeons
Wow that's how you know this guy was just not paying attention and was just looking for "owns"
@@dreamy97836 then he didn't agree. You can't trick someone into agreeing and then run away laughing like a child
9:39
i just noticed how even on his point where he parades about being right hes shooting himself in the foot.
Because the reason why the self defence course reduces rapes is because well... the women are more confident TO SPEAK UP
*WHICH IS LITERALLY DESTINYS POINT HE WAS AGAINST THAT POINT*
Also, 30 hour courses is not like two days and done. Almost every course is at most, 2 hours every two days. Which is like at least 3 months. He's making it sound like is just a week course.
Again this guy with the OP parenting advices, god damn... I can't watch that again.
He couldnt resist the clout, and added engagement he saw on his socialblade. Round 2 lets go.
Stfu about clout, it's a good thing people break out of their hugbox regardless of motivation - it can be encouraged without cynicism
@@duke222222 I havent watched the full talk yet, so that was my comedy take on it. But I'll take your word on it, that he came out of his hugbox. Or was he just guarding the door to the hugbox. ;D -edit- misspelling.
i dont like these comments. you could never prove that is his intentions so why bother saying it. youre just making the community look bad for no reason
@@vwwvictor Having watched the ending. I dont actually feel bad for my original comment.
Another sacrificial lamb!
Skulls for the skull throne!
We don't send people to prison to "punish" we do it to keep people away and having a miscommunication isn't "rape" remotely the same way actual criminal rape is. This Is like saying anytime you insult or annoy someone it should be treated as harrassment.
This guy is so dumb
This guy is too much for my sanity...(at least Gavin and the nazbols were funnny in a bad way)
This guy is basically the spoon killer at this point.
The most annoying part of this video is the guy's chat where people keep spamming things in all caps
Its funny how his chat will actively disagree with him until he agrees with destiny on a point, then switch up and act like destiny didn't already say this in the previous encounter. Seeing people like this make me wonder if im doing the same type of thing so i hope to god im not this dumb.
Cant believe Destiny can talk about such a non-complex topic for so long, takes strength, congrats
destiny PLEASE reduce the game sound volume on your videos. I understand that some people enjoy the backround gameplay, but it doesnt need to be so damn loud. Love u btw
I don't know why but that "Do you know how good some guys are at roofieing drinks" was very funny
10:12 the littlefinger voice coming out at "opposed to"
It felt like this was going to be a repeat of the first discussion but it actually became productive and interesting once Destiny told him to forget about Twitter and whatever they said in the last discussion and just focus on what they can agree on rn. Even on the prime panel with the exception of spectre and the Gabi chick, katie and I feel like most people understand Destiny's take and agree, but are upset with how he spoke to the victim on Twitter which I think is a valid critic. Destiny did jump the gun and get stuff wrong initially about her watching him take the condom off and not saying anything because she felt it was awkward. I think that's fine since that is how I understood the tweet as well so I get interpreting it that way. But once the victim clarified and people like Hanz (and the other dude he had a discussion with who's not Hanz or Duncan. Idk his name but hopefully you know who I'm talking about) I wish he'd just give a bit more acknowledgment to that. With Hanz he just said "Oh well why are people mad at me then she's the one who fucked up" (idk if that's a direct quote but it was essentially what he was saying from my pov) and then later with the other dude I can't remember he just kept saying that the discourse isn't about that chick and even though she clarified later on the discourse had already taken off. While it's true that the discourse did take off, I don't agree that this isn't about the initial tweets or that chick at all because there hasn't been a single discussion on this topic that didn't make a reference to either of the two. Everyone who disagrees with Destiny has brought that up so it's clear to me that that is the main issue. Just because Destiny doesn't care about being nice on Twitter doesn't really make the criticism less valid.
Yeah it feels like they're starting with the base assumption "destiny is an asshole" (which is true!) but not really going any further than beyond that.
Like, Destiny will frequently be an asshole, and then afterwards retreat to a very defensible position. But the being-an-asshole part is the thing that you really have a problem with, so don't bother attacking that very defensible position! Attack him for being an asshole!
Want two watch to people aggressively agree for an hour without acknowledging they do…
This guy again lol
This guys entire argument is “teach men not to gRape”… that is not a solution
This dudes so chill, i envy his ability to be sooo chill and calm bro
47:24
No, the girl should not be punished and I would not support "pressing charges." And to be clear, I also don't think the guy in Destiny's earlier similar scenario should be criminally charged. This is ridiculous they're even entertaining putting these type of people in jail.
How would you even police this whole "well if she feels like a victim" then yeah she should go for it and sue...and even if you could, I can't even fathom the ridiculous abuse you could have at the expense of innocent people (say with people changing their minds about consensual sex to just pressing charges to extract money, concessions and enact revenge etc. by claiming oops you overstepped my boundaries).
I feel like soon enough people will start videotaping their sex sessions to prove it was all consensual...maybe have some special hotels for this with perma cctv lol. Could make a mint off this according to this guy...could work like those automatic car park fines for overstaying. Every time a guy grabs a boob without permission he gets a fine sent to his house haha :D.
This guy is physically incapable of not interrupting constantly holy fuck. I want to see him discuss the question at the end holy shit.
I was raped by a man I've known for 5 years in a group of people I've known for 5 years, I was drugged. It wasn't a stranger and I'd been partying with these friends with them ensuring my safety for YEARS. Is that my responsibility? Because in that case, the driver wasn't driving erratically. He swerved into me at the last second.
Your responsibility is to put yourself in the best position you can, and if it doesn't work, that's not your fault. He's saying that you can reduce the likelihood of it happening , not to stop it completely. Also I'm sorry that happened to you
Please PLEASE do not ever let this guy be in charge of making laws. If he thinks a guy should go to jail for morning sex.
Cringe and confidently incorrect incarnate ...
Came away from this thinking that people don't understand what minimilizing is....
Destiny should of randomly clipped in the Antoine Dodson “they rapin everybody “ viral vid.
It was weird watching this dude argue himself into the, “it’s not rape if you end up liking it” position. What a plot twist.
Thought he came off r_ py and he just proved he was lol
Bro i actually died when he said that take, i swear ive heard actual rapists say that exact line 🤣
and Good Guy Destiny even tried to save him lmao
It proves he’s just trying to win not actually have a conversation
@@f4rt989 Since we don't want to send innocent people to prison, someone saying they liked it would be good evidence in favor of it being consensual and therefore many people will err on the side of caution and not send them to prison. That isn't quite the same thing as saying that liking it necessarily means it wasn't rape.
-"Don't go to dangerous neighborhoods, you might get murdered"
-"yOu KnOw hOw GoOd hItMeN aRe At MuRdEr"?
I sometimes wonder if people like this perpetually live in fear. Like I've never once in 32 years worried about a hit man being hired to kill me.
That’s a pretty good analogy. It’s amazing how far some people will go to avoid saying that women have any agency. He had already agreed that there are things women can do to avoid assault. But something in his brain won’t allow him to agree with obviously true points from Destiny.
The stupid thing is when he said the ruffying, it answers his question from the first interaction on women shouldnt go out on dates then. He agrees to the black and white yes or no situations when there wasn’t any.
@@russelld2925 oh he agrees allright. Some on this comment section think he disagrees for the sake of it, imo though it's about keeping up his persona of "guy who argues with Destiny", otherwise he might lose credibility&clout (in his imagination).
This is exactly the analogy I thought of. Like, don't walk through a dark alley alone in a dangerous neighborhood. People SHOULDN'T rob you or assault you, but you also shouldn't be stupid and take unnecessary risks.
"Beat him when I was high" was just litterally almost appologizing for his performance early in the stream.
Classic 2-faced progressives. When they're in front of someone who proved themselves smarter than them "Oh haha sorry about how I was the other night I was actually kinda high so I said some dumb stuff haha :)", as soon as he leaves "I FUCKING DESTROYED HIM WHEN I WAS HIGH".
its like this guy is being as uncharitable as possible and arguing for the sake of arguing. i dont feel like he actually disagrees that much, its more like he doesn't want to be caught agreeing with destiny and getting shat on by his chat for it
He’s just a white knight and didn’t like destiny placing part of the blame on that woman. He couldn’t logically argue destiny’s point in the first one because he agrees. He just think destiny is an asshole regardless of whether he is right or wrong.
Yeah there's a lot of virtue signalling going on
All 23 of them, I hope it’s worth it.
He is arguing for the sake of arguing. You can tell as much when he laughs and prides himself on “beating destiny while being high and sober” and “making him rage quit.” He really doesn’t care about the conversation or the points at all.
He’s a very sad person, you can see it in his eyes.
Destiny: "Sometimes things can happen during sex that arent fully communicated well between the partners"
Duncans Chat Translation: "SO YOURE SAYING RAPE IS GOOD????"
Just people outing themselves as virgins lmao
I mean legally it is rape if a woman doesn't like something you do in 2022. 100% the reason I refuse to deal with that BS.
@@polocatfan oh yea totally the reason why you dont have any sex, copium
Far-lefties trying to handle nuance always gets me…
I have a feeling this stealthing thing is most frequent with drunk people. That's the exact type of awful wrong decision a drunk man would make.
A couple of things are clear from this exchange.
1. The enjoyment destiny gets from conflict is scary.
2. This guy who claims to not know destiny really cares a lot about destiny.
Conflict is the spice of life.
"I don't know anything about you but I can confidently say that you are a rape apologist and a bad father who abuses his son."
Why is that scary? lol I fucking love arguing with people
@@zenleeparadise yeah arguing can be fun but the ability to argue with a person that has sincerely decided to be intentionally insincere, obtuse and personal is a clear sign of Destiny's compulsion to want to argue. I'm not even saying it is bad but instead of smoking high grade weed from the dispensary this is more like smoking grass clippings.
@@jasonwhite6463 I don't agree with your last comment but the comparison is fucking godlike.
My favorite thing about this video is the person at 22:50 asking if destiny is being racist because he doesn't think a finger in the ass is part of a normal everyday sexual encounter in some country and getting the response "He brought up black people yesterday for whatever reason so". And that's apparently enough for the first person to decide that yes, Destiny is racist.
Amazin
He brought them up because he luhs them.
This conversation was weird. For a while in the middle Destiny finally got this guy to start engaging in good faith. Then it was like a switch flipped and the guy disengaged and started acting like an ass again. Why? The conversation was finally going somewhere but I guess he realized he was agreeing with Destiny too much?
Right, it seems so dishonest. It was the same in the previous video, the 2 vs 3 panel. At some point, people become scared that they agree with Destiny when the hip thing is to hate and shit on him.
yes you're watching cognitive dissonance in real time
his chat was probably on to him real hard
The fact this guy thinks he "destroyed" Destiny is the exact reason why Destiny should never debate him again, the guy is just on another planet, its so cringe, As a Brit I have to apologize for this gremlin
It’s okay. You’re one of the good ones.
Obviously joking. Don’t tell anybody I said this but I actually like British people
I'm a Brit too and I can't place his accent, there's something off with it... the way he says "don't" doesn't sound native...
@@Brascofarian Same. He's got that elements of that weird muddled accent Tom Hardy has.
@@Brascofarian He is half scottish half Russian apparently he said on stream
He has DSP levels of intelligence and narcissism
This guy approaches the conversation from 2 standpoints:
1. Destiny is bad
2. Because destiny is bad, I can't be seen agreeing with him
And the only way he knows how to engage with this topic is with super pre rehearsed dialogue which is why he keeps dragging the topic to things that aren't being said
As soon as he found out he agreed with destiny on the general ideas he immediately had to nitpick the specific example so he could disagree again.
Destiny kept bringing things up unrelated to the initial argument, he never said he disagreed with anything without specifically saying why.
Time to mentally prepare to look at this guys chat for another hour
ikr lmao its so hard to go through these videos with him and his chat
Unironically doom fuel
Worst chat i’ve seen
@@hex3132 That was last video, it happens again? Is it the same fucking guy?
his chat is his mods sucking him off and people who don't understand basic arguments and go WTF?????
The cringe in the last 20 seconds is more than I can take. It's a physically uncomfortable level of embarrassment I feel for him.
You can even tell this guy doesnt even brush his teeth when he laughs lol
@@guffeluffe5987 thats just because hes british
@@zipzip6677 Brits have better teeth than Americans, on average
I had to watch this is sections with huge breaks between or I would have lost so many more brain cells from the guy and his chat.
He's so oblivious I'm questioning how he functions as a human
He clearly misread and misunderstood the study at first. He was banning people left and right in his chat who said he didn't understand what he read. Then afterwards he realized his misreading, was embarrassed and tried to pivot out of it.
this guy is truly the master of being smug
That because when you miss the first paragraph of the abstract of a study you just kinda look fucking stupid and no pivot can save you. His chat knew it, our chat knew it, and in the end this guy should just see himself off the internet.
Did he really ban people from his twitch
@@darkman452 ya, read his chatters, there was on dude saying "I TOLD YOU YOU MISREAD IT, I actually kind of like you so I wanted to prepare you" or something like that.
funniest part of his chat, is when they arent blindly missing the point, they completely realize duncan has no idea what he is talking about, than they get triggered by a word, and go back to blindly missing the point.
such a beautiful cycle. Worth the rewatch if you didnt read duncans chat. js.
@@croppedcrit8812 This explains most people Destiny argues with. They start to realize Destiny's points and kinda agree and then bham get triggered by something and then refuse to engage at all with Destiny.
So if I tell my daughter never to take drinks from strangers at a bar, I'm a rape apologist? This guy is just arguing because he doesn't want to be caught agree8ng with destiny. A woman should be responsible in looking out for herself by not letting her drink out of her sight or not letting other people handle her drink or the responsibility of not getting wasted in a bar full of strangers, by not leading on inebriated men, yet it is absolutely NOT her fault if she gets raped. These two ideas are not mutually exclusive
But "do you know how good some guys at roofying drinks" 😂
@@kg356 and how do destiny and the bonger propose to solve the social issue at the macro level?? Ah right they literally agreed on everything. The thing they didn't agree on was destinys advice for women, which is what my comment is based on.
Also yes solving poverty actually does include encouraging people to stay in school and at the very least completing high-school. Also having children outside of financial stability is a great way to fuck your life (i dont belive marriage is special). Education and opertunity are great ways to help the impoverished. There are societal changes we can implement to help the impoverished and there are individual level changes we can do to help the impoverished. Both are necessary to help as quickly as possible, denying the individual level change is naive. You didn't think about this much did you?
@@kg356 no? but if someone tells their kid to stay in school and you walk up to them and tell them they shouldn't give that advice because that doesn't solve poverty, you'd be a moron.
The inability of ppl to understand that those ideas are not mutually exclusive insane thing to understand.i said this a lot during this whole arc, destiny's take broke a lot of simple minded brains.
Destiny is 100% right that these people are entirely incapable of having any responsible, sober discussion on the topic. In this nutsack's case, both figuratively and literally.
I wasn't sure why destiny had a discussion with this person again, he's just playing checkers with a pidgeon again
Destiny: "So we're both aware that you can't protect yourself 100%, but you can reduce this risks through these steps"
Bonger: "So you realize no matter what we do you can't 100% guarantee that you're not gonna get rape so we shouldn't give any advice"
over and over and over and over again. Also just looking at his chat just makes me want to off myself, in a videogame ofc.
Speaking of nutsacks, I had an ex that would keep trying to play with my balls and stuff even AFTER I made it clear I didn't enjoy it, and it's just wild to me that in this guys worldview she should literally be imprisoned for that LoL. I mean, it meets all of his criteria. I asked her to stop. I made it clear I didn't enjoy it. She did it again. It goes exactly with what Destiny is saying in that there is nuance to these situations that aren't super easy to communicate when you are talking in black and white like the other guy.
@@ataridc Hey thats not fair, he said she should probably just get state mandated community service for violating your boundaries. Totally different
@@hybridpsycho Duuuude about the chat, I cannot agree enough lol. I keep on glancing at it and wanting to dive headfirst into the pavement so Im purposefully not looking at it 95% of the time lol, same with their previous talk
As a step back from this conversation in particular, the most important step in becoming mature is being able to separate responsibility and blame. If we can't give people responsibility without blaming them for failures, the only two outcomes are telling people that they're just a bad, malicious person because they fucked up and now they can't learn to improve or telling someone that they don't have responsibility because they aren't to blame and now, again, people can't learn to improve.
It’s insane to me that most people don’t seem able to make that differentiation.
@@synlion i think when you're younger it's easier for some people to take an idealistic approach that the society itself should just change. some people grow out of it and recognize descriptively there are steps you can take to maximize your safety, and some people become the guy destiny is debating, I guess
It's just too goddamn ez for dumb people to get their brownie points for calling you out for victim blaming. They will do it forever
The ending is so telling. It was never about actually understanding any of the points. He really just wanted to say “he beat destiny and made him rage quit.”
That creepy laugh at the end, combined with how happy he is with "winning" a debate makes me think he is just being super ingenious on purpose in regards to Destiny's arguments, so that his chat can circle jerk his ego. This debate was at least somewhat better, but the fact he thinks he "won" the first debate, in which he said himself he was high and came off very stupid and said some really stupid shit, is truly mind-numbing.
I have no idea how he thinks he won anything. He said nothing of importance the entire time. He's not capable of understanding the nuance of the conversation.
I was watching it live and was happy it was over, they guy agreed with Destiny but just claimed he didn't for whatever reason.
"women should take preventative measures to protect themselves and assert their agency."
"yeah but they shouldn't have to."
there, that's the whole debate.
And its victim-blaming lol
@@EskiLdn why are too stupid to understand the difference between responsibilities and blame?
@@EskiLdn If my child, God forbid, ever gets lured and assaulted by someone, I would never place the BLAME on them. However, it is my RESPONSIBILITY to educate them on how to protect themselves, and its my child’s RESPONSIBILITY to listen and use the advice given when necessary. Telling a victim that there are preventative measures they can take, is just looking out for their safety, not placing blame whatsoever. Would you rather be safe, or right?
@@EskiLdn how is that victim blaming?
@@francothesucc9701 You've misunderstood my post, I 100% agree with you. Thats why i put the "lol"
But the point is that this guy says that saying women should educate themselves on how to protect themselves is victim-blaming. Thats crazy.
Your responibility is to put yourself in the best position possible to your ability. And its not your fault if things still went wrong, because you have done all you could! How is this so complicated?
Cause personal responsibility is so cringe, duh.
Lets just be honest. She got r*ped 4 times, 3 were no big deal, she's going out again friday. Lots of men and women in disagreement.
They just want to fuck.
Self respect > sex > getting r*ped
It's not complicated, Duncan just wants to virtue signal and score points on optics by making it look like Destiny is inadvertently victim blaming and being a rape apologist.
@@incinerati personal responsibility is a liberal take duh
Well, it's complicated enough for you to also have missed Destiny's point, apparently. It's not your fault, even if you didn't do *all* you could, but that doesn't mean you don't have responsibility to try and improve your chances.
What is hilarious about this guy is that he actually agrees with everything destiny says he just doesn't want to admit it because it makes him look bad.
He basically admits it at the end of the last conversation.
All his disagreements are personal perceptions of tone-policing
"you should not say X to Y in Z circumstance" - okay, but that's your personal reading of it
This guy's trying to come up with a million edge cases, all in the hopes of avoiding common sense that we can all take steps to have some level of agency in our lives
the worst thing is that most of these people do ... just look at his last 2v3 panel
Considering he clout farmed off Shofu for years he knows a bit or two about lacking agency in his own growth.
People on the right think everything is your own fault and people on the left think nothing is your fault. Its just funny at some point
@@blacksuitedsonic Seems legit...
@@blacksuitedsonic I really like that line, going to have to remember that one.
The last part where he laughs at "destroying" Destiny really shows where his motivation lies. He doesn't care about helping women or having more productive conversations. He just wants to appear right and virtue signal for internet brownie points.
Oh sweet, another hour of "I agree with all your points, but why are you so mean when you make them"
It even ended in a super helpful and insightful "rape is bad and the rapist is the one to blame". Fantastic
😂 Truly a stunning and brave conversation and realization
I'm ready for an hour of dodging and avoiding just so you don't have to agree with one of the most inoffensive takes Destiny has ever had.
tbf, his take isnt bad but his delivery on twitter was extremely inflammatory lol
@@shadowgame0630 who gives a shit dude, these clowns that live on twitter actively look for shit to cry about. We need people like Destiny to talk about the hard stuff despite all the trigger babies
@@Zenbon111 i memba when destiny talked about being more rhetorically effective. You memba?
I agree that his take really isn't terribly offensive, but based on all these convos it was clearly a terribly innefective way to start the dialogue.
@@billybobmcjohnson8526 true, I've never heard him say he's gonna try to improve his Twitter persona
@@SJNaka101 he's only said that you go to Twitter to shitpost if I memba correctly. Also called it a battleground
32:35 "missberyl" in the chat is unable to make the distinction between rape and rape culture at the very moment Destiny is explaining the difference. It feels like there isnt a single person in this guys chat that is actually listening to the conversation. They just hear specific words that spark their attention, like a dog that sees a squirrel and then they quickly type the most vapid, virtue-signaling thing they can think of.
“I beat him”
“I conceded every single point I made”
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Well to be fair he did not concede his stance that Destiny is a bad father. He also just didn't substantiate it.
@@joemamma474 He also didn’t concede that men were expert roofiers.
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher "Mission accomplished, We'll get em next time"
I literally watched the first 2 minutes and when he hit Destiny with the "Do you know how good some guys are at roofying drinks?" I had to pause and take a lap.
Also, as someone who was drugged at a party and r*ped during a time in my life that I was having a problem with partying and drinking and just not making the best decisions I KNOW (now) that what happened wasn’t my fault. However, I’m grateful that I had a therapist who helped me formulate a plan to avoid that scenario in the future. I went through 4 therapists until I found this one and that process he helped me with a) helped me heal and b) made me more in control of my safety.
Of course there are situations where it doesn’t matter how much you focus on safety but in my case I could’ve been better on that. Taking some of the responsibility helped me recover. I was able to make peace with myself.
I'm sorry you went through that. And I'm glad you're happy with the progress you made and the results you have with you now.
Thanks for sharing, wishing you all the best.
Well done.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm glad that someone was able to help you to be proactive in avoiding that happening ever again.
Thank you all for the kind words!
Destiny, stop engaging with this guy. He’s so bad faith and dishonest and spineless.
He makes Lance from the Serfs look like a confident and competent debater
Why are people like this?
True
@@borodmislovich8239 people tend to believe that just because they are “political ideology x” that they are automatically a good person and anyone who disagrees with them is dogshit.
But it turns out the person you disagree is making valid points and you can’t handle the idea that you are wrong and your beliefs are incorrect.
It’s a massive cope basically.
He’s coping and he can’t just own up and admit he’s wrong
I dont think hes as bad faith as the two from yesterday
I give specter a pass cause all he was doing was mumbling about tone policing.
This guy is just trying to save face by thinking of the weirdest hyper specific cases that no one would use to give general advice. Bad faith yea. But eh
Steven likes those debates though, I understand the frustration and I would like it to end as well but I think it genuinely helps Steven at growing his conversation/debate skills or at the very least keep them sharp for more important events down the line
"Stealthing implies stealth"
Tell that to the rogues in my battleground group.
Tell that to my dnd rogue that always seems to roll a nat 1 on every stealth check
That first 1:30 secs of the video was so easy to understand and so simple. It should have put this debate to rest. But the guys follow up was, as expected, brain melting.
Right but....you know how good some criminals are at crime? BOOM, MICDROP!!!!! I swear, sometimes I wish Destiny didn't put up these "upcoming" sections, it always spoils the most cringe worthy stuff
@@fedea82 blame august for that, i didn't know it happened right at the end so I just thought great now we've gone full circle for a bit😂
Damn you set my expectations high with your comment but his response did not disappoint.
Because the argument always boils down to destiny is too mean on twitter, but no one wants to admit that because I guess they think it makes them look weak or sensitive but in reality it's perfectly fine to think destiny is right on the core point, but also too mean on twitter. Its just pointless to debate someone being "too mean" when they've already had that discussion at least a dozen time and shown no willingness to change. So it ends up being destiny knowing it's just about him being too mean and his opponent not wanting to say that so endlessly trying to carve out any kind of win that makes them not look like an idiot or just admit they think destiny is too mean
What a tremendous walk back by this guy. He now claims he never argued that the victim shouldn’t fight back because of a fear of violence, when he vigorously defended that statement during the last conversation. He called Destiny’s argument trash, but now suddenly agrees with it and moves the goalposts over to tone policing the initial tweets.
Destiny could definitely engage in a better way, don’t get me wrong, but this guy is slimy as hell.
I can’t speak to this guys martial arts experience but given that he’s already being selective with his information (the top section of that study) it wouldn’t surprise me if he left this out. I was an assistant martial arts instructor and one of the first things we teach is modes of preservation. In order they are
Anticipate
Talk
Walk
Defend
Anticipate is the big one. It’s avoiding the bad situations before they happen. The go to example is not walking down a dark alley at night. Would it be great if everyone could? Yes. But it might not be safe. If you’re drunk the other 3 steps are lessened significantly. The reason defence is the last action is because you could be the strongest fighter in the world and still lose to a lucky punch. It also runs the risk of escalating situations
I guarantee you this guy has zero self defense knowledge. I’ve been training since I was 8 and I was never taught the model as you’ve outlined it but I was nodding the whole way through reading this. He acts like some petite 5’4” girl that weighs like 110 could just triangle choke some dude that’s got 70lbs on her. There’s a reason we teach people strategies to avoid fighting and save it for a last resort.
@@dezkightz if you follow the vast majority of self defense shit online you will end up in a worse position than before.
@@dezkightz He reminds me of the uncoordinated weirdos at school who practiced kungfu kicks on the wall.
That laugh at the end made me realize that I couldn't say no if he was stealthing me
Destiny would say that's your fault
That final clip lmao, he lives in another reality
As a pretty conservative libertarian type I think that’s the first time rape culture was defined in not the most false and/or retarded way. Thanks for putting it wisely and thinking through your position Destiny you opened my eyes up to a side of the conversation I hadn’t thought about.
Yeah, with a lot of lefty terms, it feels like originally there was a fairly sensible term that described something pretty salient there, but as soon as it gets exposed to broader society and liberal normies got a hold of it it gets immediately transformed into the dumbest possible version of itself. It happened with Triggers, it happened to Gaslighting, it happened to a lot of critical race-whatever stuff.
@@TheNoodleGod9001 it happens within the retarded right or conservatives as well, you go from like valuing your chastity & honor to "let's stone all women who fuck", it's the exact same mentality in that the general person is just flat out retarded and can't handle complex questions.
It's ableist to speak to this man
LMFAO
New age crap, we used to put people like this in freakshows
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor so true, just slap a propeller hat on him, no need to keep debating
@@goose5761 You can throw some peanuts at him for a nickle
I think there's probably some room to criticize Destiny for his tweets, but the inability of these people he's been debating to engage with the valid points he makes during these debates about this subject, makes them seem clueless and unreasonable.
It really does feel like they're saying "I agree with your points but you could have been nicer about it" except every time he asks them that they say no.
This dude loves to strawman then claim destiny is strawmanning because he realizes he gave ground so he needs to retcon his statements.
This guy loves to do something then claims that destiny does the same thing to him lol
The strawmanning appears to be the natural result of his ability to only do two thing:
* hyper-specific responding to a single case of one Twitter poster where only a small amount of data is readily available
* histrionic levels of totalising
All Steven is trying to do is describe a generic threshold for a generic person without prescribing a rule for everyone or claiming to know all the nuance of any one encounter completely
These two styles do not match up, and just produce strawmanning as a result
If Mikefrom[redacted] ever decides to retire, this guy can one hundred percent take over for him.
Idk this sreamers name but his stream name could be [redacted]fromUk
This dude went from "You can't tell women they should have done something during their sexual assault because confronting their attacker could result in them being raped worse" to, "Destiny, I said self-defense classes were good and this study backs me because it says it helped women get out of their assault. Also I found this study that basically says the exact same thing you said but I'm going to try to browbeat you with it and pretend like I was always for telling women to resist their attackers"
The study didn't say what Destiny said lmao. Destiny only said saying something would help, the study says you have to physically fight back and say something. Only saying something to the person often resulted in a greater amount of violence.
@@Pink_Justice That's not actually what the study said. Maybe read it again.
Maybe learn some reading comprehension and go give it another go?
@@Pink_Justice Yeah, that's a good idea. I think you should definitely try that and get back to me.
@@keggerous Just go read the part that says "and"
It’s so weird to see people go after peoples parenting based on like 5 stories or interactions. Such a strange behavior.
im 99.9% certain he either doesnt have kids (most likely) or is estranged from any children, so basically has no experience as a parent
They cant keep to the argument. They must character assassinate. Its in their nature.
Wonder if he trains women in martial arts is to try and get laid.
@@aslemartinsen5284 seems like the spoiled only child of a high middle class family who’s never been told no
If you critique him for this behavior, then why are you now doing it to him? There's some strange irony going on in this thread
The way this guy goes back and forth multiple time between “Rapists should always be punished” to “Rapists should be punished if the victims wants it” and then back again to “rapists should always be punished” AND THEN AGAIN BACK TO “Rapists should be punished if the victims wants it”. It’s actually insane how weasely this guy is….
His response to Destiny leaving at the end was a great example of the Dunning-Krueger effect.
The issue with people lumping every sexual misdeed in with the word rape is it makes the word mean less.
This guy has a " Male feminist" vibe goin'.
I feel like we're going to fund out something awful down the line.
Dude nfs I get the same vibes. I think we’ve just got PTSD from the online #MeToo stuff happening in the last 2 years
@@dezkightz I want to know why he "used to" teach women's self defense.
Pretty solid market for it. Not like there's a shortage of women looking to learn.
@@dezkightz Me too died the moment it became " Me too...but ,NOT, you; because we disagree politically"
I like that the word feminist gained the meaning "defending women even when they're wrong"
The only type of person who says "do you know how good some men are at ruffying drinks" is the kind of man who's ruffied a drink.
If you can’t track a conversation, don’t debate contentious topics. There was a laundry list of different issues with his comprehension and communication skills. This entire discussion should have been settled in ten minutes. If you told me this was Mike from PA’s brother, I’d believe you.
Liquid Mike
I've tutored old people trying to relearn basic math skills that have a way better comprehension than this prick. He did admit to having some issues, just doesn't seem to realize everything those issues effect.
If only Destiny didn't keep arguing points unrelated to the initial argument.
@@Pink_Justice Ok
Hello Folks! Welcome back to the SMUG GAMES! In this episode the White Knight of Smug Vs A Twitter OmniAsshole.
Oh my god WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY @ 42:00?! That probably happens all the time in totally normal relationships & he wants them to go to prison? In the scenario she was literally grinding on him while they're in bed together? & then the guy stopped the second he was asked to.. like what?
That's called someone realizing maybe they weren't really in the mood after they were going along with it originally. It would never be taken seriously in a court of law
Edit: To be fair he clarified he for some reason thought of 2 random people not in a relationship as the example but still.
“It’s a normal thing in some countries for girls to slip a digit” okay.. maybe that’s true in some country I’ve never heard of?? But then you could also easily say “it’s a normal thing in some countries to pin down a wife to fuck her if she denies sex to her husband”
Despite the fact that I think he’s fucking lying about that first point; just saying “in some other countries this is normal” does not in any way justify it or make it any less rape-y. Just because in some religious countries it’s totally okay (some might even say a divine right) for a husband to pin down a wife to rape her, that doesn’t all of sudden mean “yeah well the standards in that country are different so it’s fine and not the same as stealthing which is heavily discouraged and taboo, don’t be so racist sweaty”
What fucking world does this guy live in where the relative taboo-ness of something determines whether or not it’s rape? Or whether or not it’s a violation of consent? Oh.. that’s right.. the internet world. That world. Because only on the fucking internet would I ever encounter someone trying to suggest that “slipping a digit” is whatevs, def not that serious, it’s happened to me lol it wasn’t a big deal lmao.
This dude definitely has been beaten up by his own "friends" in real life. I can literally feel it lol
He constantly interrupted and then said "it's all good" like he was accepting destiny's apology for himself interrupting? Is this dude alright? Genuinely he seems like a high function "......" But I'm not sure what lol
Also imagine using condoms? Weirdos
LMFAO based
This conversation was identical to the “is this your wallet” bit from SpongeBob.
Wish I was illiterate as well. I'd be winning every single debate/argument/disagreement. Sucks to suck...
Glad to see the other guy's chat was getting more on Destiny's side this time in some parts. Last time they were universally against him, this time he was winning some over.
This was a weird one. It was like he was so adamant on disagreeing that he started short-circuiting and flipping positions back and forth. His only disagreement was that Destiny was being a douche on twitter, and he somehow spun that into 2+ hours of conversation.
That's how so many of these morons function. Their goal isn't to have legitimate political debate they just want to blood sport for viewership so they need to disagree with you about something. So what if we agree on 100% of things in this discussion, I dislike how you worded something therefor please fight me for 2 hours so I get a good week of youtube clips to farm ad revenue.
Is destiny really playing a game while winning a debate?
I really tried to give his chat a chance and i read “15 hours of martial arts training only takes two days” 9 minutes in and i gave up
WTF no way someone actually believes that...
How? Why? I don't think anyone of them understand what martial arts training actually is.
There's nothing more dangerous than a false sense of confidence.
Dude it was"30 hours of martial arts training only takes two days" I remember seeing it too
Yes. Just sign up at your local Shaolin Temple.
As a lovely woman I met recently said. "it takes trust for consent on both ends and even more for non vanilla sex". Even if people never do anything kink related and it is mostly vanilla sexual many of us can learn a lot from kink related safe words since it's never just one of them to stop because maybe we also need to take a step back and reassert our boundaries because sometimes even with the most respectful people those get blurred by passion without the intent of harm. Getting bogged down in the specifics of this case like this Duncan asshole did is only going to cause more harmful experiences and less experiences where people communicate their boundaries clearly and have them respected.
I would say duncan is a virgin. Dead serious.
100% agree that people could learn a lot from kink. One word gets you to stop anything going on. Every scenario even if acting coy makes everything stop by saying one word and break someone of passion.
I mean... unless you are doing rape fantasy play, the words "no", "stop", and "get the fuck off me" seem like pretty well understood universal safe words. They've worked pretty well for me in the past. I do greatly agree that people could learn from the experience of the kink community in having proper adult conversations about sex before, during, and after having sex.
@@Puzzlesocks yeah, but in a lot of the conversations we have heard lately people don't say any of those things. I think the more important thing is that both partners encourage each other to express their discomfort if it comes up. It's not only on the woman to say no, but also on the guy to say you can say no if you need to.
@@crazymonk27 I don't know why the guy needs to reinforce that it's ok if the girl says no. A woman shouldn't need a man's permission to say no. Even better, a person shouldn't need another's permission to say no.
To be clear, I think the cultural attitudes that support at least some of the sexual norms need to be broken, and that the best way to break them is by violating them openly and proudly. Sadly I've seen in Destiny's recent debates that there are at least a few people who think it's better to submit to authority than fight for themselves. History has shown us repeatedly that if you want to make serious changes you need to be willing to put yourself at risk. We have feminists literally making the argument that they would rather get raped than potentially die by resisting and helping set a new cultural standard of women standing up for themselves. Even if it's your friend. Friends can change, but you have to live with yourself for your whole life.
The civil rights act would have never come to fruition if black people didn't decide it was worth potentially getting lynched to stand up for their own value as humans. I see no reason why women shouldn't do the same. As Destiny said, these people are making arguments as though the world is utopia instead of reality.
The fact that Duncan thought the reason Destiny left at the end was due to him losing the debate and not because Destiny realized it's a waste of time to continue the conversation with someone who kept looping with the same 0 IQ takes tells me just how much social awareness he lacks. Like, its obvious Destiny ended the convo because he realized it was impossible to get through Duncan's thick skull no matter how much he tried. You could even see how drained and disappointed Destiny looked at the end there when Duncan repeated the same shit takes that has been addressed multiple times already, especially when just 5 minutes ago they seemed to be getting somewhere with Duncan even agreeing with quite a few of Destiny's points but for some reason at the very end he just looped back again with the dumb arguments.
i personally think he is self aware; theres probably a mix of wanting clout, making destiny look stooopid and knowing his fanbase will agree with him ever so blindly
his takes arnt that bad, bu he constantly keeps side tracking. Basically destiny says "grass is green", and the guy is "but wait the moment i heard that i created a picture in my head and will go on a tangent about that picture rather the argument itself." and its incredibly frustrating.
Destiny literally said he didn't win the debate
@@Pink_Justice His friend asked if he won to which Destiny responded along the lines of there's no winning in these types of conversations. You would have to have a child's understanding to think that he literally meant that he lost the debate.
@@johnleoks7642 Sounds like johns to me
Imagine getting robbed at gun point and saying it was a awkward situation
Lol it was though. Somehow at the end of it I ended up with his wallet and I'm pretty sure he never had a gun... Oh shit, I think I might have been the robber
Sometimes it can be. Maybe the robber is doing it for the first time and he looks nervous to the point of being comical (especially if it's a younger guy).
more accurate would be, someone comes up and asks if they can shake your hand, then on the way there their hand extends right into your pocket grabs your wallet then slowly takes it back out, then he walks away, and you said nothing the entire time.
Hold up guys! I figured it out! This guy and others like him, live solely on the internet and have never interacted with society outside of the internet!
... To think I was naive enough not to see this already.
18:26
" Dude destiny she was raped learn to look up knowledge "
I can't
Im dying
"Do you know how good some guys a re at roofying?"
"Do you know just how drunk some drivers are?"
The car crash analogy is so perfect for these situations. Just because you had an accident where someone else was at FAULT, doesn't mean you didn't have more agency to avoid it.
If you want to see people who don't understand that concept, while driving their own vehicles, sometimes with their spouse or kids in the car as well, just watch dashcam compilations. It's probably the worst way to spend your time, it's great.
Dude was wayyyy too happy about Destiny having enough of his bs and leaving the call at the end. Lmfao. Hopefully Destiny stops engaging with this dude until he learn how to properly debate and/or argue. Rambling on for 5 minutes every time and always missing the point of things is exhausting to deal with.
Destiny just couldn't argue against his points so he left. He admitted he didn't win the debate.
I now really love the echo chamber reference from the last conversation, seeing as he banned people from his chat in this one for telling him he was wrong on something.
Actual windowlicker.
Windowlicker is a great insult
"I wasn't mad yesterday, I am just having a metal health crisis and was very high" oh my god haha
This Guy - “If someone wakes you up with unprecedented sex that’s rape”
Also This Guy - “If someone wakes you up with sex but you enjoyed it then it’s not rape”
Please make it make sense
Jesus. This guy's chat is a work of art.
Full of self righteous dentheads...but look at the streamer they watch.
I bet he thinks mouton is Destiny’s son OMEGALUL