Velma is so insistent on showing the bad and mean side of life, that it forgets that not everyone is a jerk or a terrible person like everyone in the show is portrayed to be.
Honestly I don't get the obsession with the show. Scooby Doo doesn't exactly have some reputation for consistent quality. If there's one thing you count on in a few years they'll be another show that may or may be good. That goes doubly for any show with a legacy because you know they'll try again.
@@TyphonJRT Well for me, Scooby-Doo is like one of my favorite shows, I know everyone doesn't love it, but it is special to me. But even if I wasn't a fan of Scooby-Doo, the show is still horrendous from it's writing, attempts at humor, and overall even trying to tell a story. And for me being a Scooby-Doo fan, it makes it all about 10 times worse.
It's not bad it feels like family guy with more gruesome detail. It's a bootleg there not trying to be on cartoon network. Scooby-Doo is trademarked so they will have to ask hanabarbera to use Scooby-Doo. Velma,Daphne,Shaggy are not trademarked. If you want a velma cartoon that is not adult themed. Then that's sign to make your owns.
@@nolanchoyou Guys can make a Velma cartoon of your own.they want more cartoons on cartoon network if someone can think of one.Homelander and Omniman are bootleg versions of superman. Blizzard even said thier characters is based off other games.
No, we don’t. If the human characters had been well written or interesting to begin with, and if the main character weren’t a coward, there wouldn’t be a Scrappy Doo.
You know what, I never hated Scrappy Doo as much as everyone else. A small puppy who isn't afraid of monsters like the rest of the gang was a cute idea. I just thought it was badly executed.
Someone said something interesting about the Total Drama show when Total Dramarama came out: The original show had both stereotypical character and ANTI-stereotypes. For example, Gwen was a goth girl who was actually pretty sociable. Total Dramarama has only stereotypes.
That’s one of my main, after many, negatives I have about the show. Everyone is literally the same person they were when they were teens except Gwen! They probably just thought “Oh she’s a goth on TD so let’s just make her be unsocial, creepy, weirdo child.” OG Gwen was friendly and nice to others(minus Heather), but in rama they completely ruined her character. She didn’t act like a child like the others, she acted like she was a stereotypical emo/goth teen in a child’s body.
I actually think what makes the show suck is it's the antithesis of OG TDI. None of them are teens, so no drama/relatability. It's been dumbed down meaning less character depth, less good jokes and less violence (a fun draw of the original) and most importantly it has no edge. One of the biggest draws of TDI is it was edgy and got away with some bat shit crazy content. One of the most memorable being Heather's top coming off. We were straight up given a nudity scene (it was censored) of teen girl. That right there is edge and pushing it. Then of course all the cynicism is gone too. With no drama, there's no snarky back and forth or rivalries.
What's even worst is the fart fetish within the show, to which I am NOT a fan of! And added insult to injury is the existence of a fart sniffing fairy which caused long time TD fans to rage quit. I'm pretty sure the people behind the scenes are fetishists and pedos themselves.
@@RealGilbertGan Only ONE episode was like that, and it's clear it was just an episode they didn't think through when making. No need to insult the people making the show.
Probably the most accurate description I've _ever_ heard for _Velma_ because in my opinion, _Harley Quinn_ did it right with the 18+ humor. _Velma_ though? Not so much.
Or maybe episodes when he visits his hillbilly relatives to help them with their personal problems like Clem, Billy, Billy Bob, Billy Bob Bo Bo Billy, Rainchild, etc.
Mindy is not completely blameless. She was Executive Producer, which means she had to review and sign off on anything related to the show. The fact that we Got Velma was either her shirking off her responsibilities as an Exec. Producer or she looked at the trainwreck and said this is gold, which says a lot about her. Probably doesn't help that most people in these positions have yes people all the time.
To be honest I’m not entirely sure how much control Executive Producers on shows have. The amount of co-producers and supervising producers and just producers in general. It looks as though they’ll give anyone a Producer credit these days.
Can I just say that she is completely oblivious to the fact that everyone was hating on that vanity project? Yes, when I mean "vanity project", I mean the Velma spin-off series itself is nothing more but a vanity project. And trust me, nobody likes a vanity project.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa Well actually, Shaggy's real name had always been Norville Rogers, so I wouldn't way he was replaced by a random character... more like that they stripped him entirely of his identity by changing his appearance and removing his more wellknown nickname, AND the great dane he owns that the _franchise is named after._ I mean, technically speaking, the other Mystery Inc members got their identity stripped away in sone fashion, but Shaggy suffered the most from this.
I think "tone deaf" is an understatement of the year for Santa Inc and it is flat out oblivious to the point. Santa even pointed out to Candy that she couldn't be the next Santa because she has made it abundantly clear she hates Christmas and she hates children, which the fundamentals of the job kinda require you to have a fondness for both. She takes this advice and completely dismisses it to whine about how it's about sexism that's blocking her and not the obvious fact she doesn't have any traits that would be needed to do the job properly.
@@phantomstrider Well, I admit you make a fair point. But personally, I only watched the trailer and the pilot episode and I immediately got ticked off. I instantly switched over to something that makes me feel happy and excited: a Japanese superhero tv series that's been around for over 50 years called Kamen Rider, and I automatically felt better. The message that I'm trying to get across is If we just ignore the bad movies, tv shows and cartoons, they'll eventually fade into obscurity, forgotten by the passing sands of time.
@@phantomstrider Well, she did commit a crime, a very serious one, which she treats as a joke. But that crime is not "Making Velma". (Unless it turns out Velma is some The Producers inspired embezzlement scheme where the show was incredibly bad on purpose.)
One of the biggest problems with Santa Inc is that there’s already a much better alternative in Arthur Christmas. Arthur Christmas does the idea of “unlikely character proves they can become the next Santa” much better than Santa Inc, and does it in a way that’s not incredibly mean-spirited, gross, and/or vulgar. It also has a character realize that maybe they’re not cut out to be Santa, and that’s ok, they can still help bring joy to the world in their own special way- which I feel like is the lesson Santa Inc’s main character needed to learn, but sadly the show just continued to double down on its shallow edginess.
Not only that, much of the Jokes are not actually funny in Santa Inc, but are thinly veiled jabs at people who actually ask questions about mainstream narratives rather than follow it like lost puppies.
I hate the "it's for kids, it doesn't need to be intelligent" excuse for bad writing and whatever in cartoons, because I think kids deserve more respect than that.
Honestly I would argue that if you kids are watching something that teaches them to be more immature is worse bc we need to teach kids to be more mature and if kids watch this and use it as dialogue in their life then we know we screwed up in society
I remember when RUclips was FILLED with videos of people talking about their HATE of the show, Velma. Like, I couldn't even get through a day on RUclips without seeing the thumbnail for a Velma Rant video. There were so many, I was like, "No, I'm not doing this." The website was literally recommending all these Velma Rant videos to me, even though I already knew Velma was going to bomb. It was exhausting!
A pup named scooby doo was an exception to the "kids spinoffs suck" rule in my opinion because it still had them doing what made them famous in the first place (solving mysteries) and although it was softer in tone, it didn't feel watered/dumbed down, at least not nearly as much as others.
There were also a live-action when they were in high-school, and frankly? Like the show where they're kids, the movie worked also, it wasn't that bad to the movie where Scrappy-Doo was a villain who collected people's souls..
I remember when I still had DirecTV and I would watch A Pup Named Scooby Doo in the morning on Boomerang, and honestly, I wasn't bored watching it. I got pretty interested in the storylines and thought the designs of the characters were clever and cute, which is unusual for me to think when it comes to the "same show except the characters are all kids" cookie-cutter premise.
That’s actually kind of surprising, a lot of the worst shows for kids seems to forget that everyone can be a little mean but it doesn’t make us mean people, while some of the worst shows aimed at teens and adults forget that people can be nice without being gullible or dumb, and the best shows on both ends have far more complex characters with both good and bad socializing skills.
Facts. This show is so undeniably horrendous as fudge, that it makes June from Little Einsteins look and feel like a very well-mannered Queen by Comparison and in fact, even Aigis and June would be good friends with each other too and I can say the same with Max too (ya know, the one who is Goofy's son). So, in other words, it's official: Little Einsteins had someone who acts more like a matured Human Being than this variant of Velma who is actually a Villainous Protagonist than a Heroic one, meaning that if Captain Jake is the Little King of the eternally expanded Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior family, then June would be the Queen.
I can't even say Fairview's character design is original. An old Disney preschool show called Higglytown Heroes did the stacking dolls (not even gonna try and spell that) design and actually integrated it well into the setting and movements!
I got a theory: Patrick's real parents never really loved him for being unintelligent, and his parents sent him to Kamp Koral to abandon him, that being the reason Patrick was crying on the log about being homesick in the movie. Also, with Patrick now being an orphan, he is then adopted, being the reason why in the Patrick Star show, Patrick's parents look nothing alike to the ones in the main show, and how Patrick's sister is a literal squid.
I really wish that was canon, because that's a really good story. The canonical story, however, is that Patrick's family in the Patrick Star Show are all actors, and not his real family, similarly to how in sitcoms, families in shows are almost always never related in real life.
No, it doesn’t. You’re just regurgitating yt h3t g-nt-l- m@13 supremacist propaganda to rack up Internet hate points. *Velma* rules and that dumb dog and his equally dumb family drools!
She's not credited as one of the creators, but she's the executive producer and was the one talking the most in interviews about how this show would be about her idealized version of Velma
Yeah, when i watch velma, the biggest thing that hits me in the face is the racism both to Misty's own self insert (that's the only reason Velma is Indian) and black people, white people, Asians and plenty more at least it spreads the hate semi evenly
Okay The Patrick Star Show, you did it. You've officially gained mainstream now. The Patrick Star Show has just been sitting there, quietly chilling in the background for the past 2 years since July 9, 2021, obviously not gaining anywhere near the amount of attention as the main SpongeBob SquarePants show. But then all of a sudden the episode "Bubble Bass Reviews" premiered on July 24, 2023 and now finally The Patrick Star Show has an episode gaining mainstream attention due to the episode's blatant references to internet culture and the good old Nostalgia Critic. A man that PhantomStrider has collaborated with multiple times. Some of these cartoon reviewers are really going places these days, huh? It's funny too because back in the day, people insisted to me that the main SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon had two episodes that were vaguely referencing social media. Specifically "The Krabby Kronicle" (cancel culture) and "Bulletin Board" (Twitter/X). But despite these claims, neither of those episodes got mainstream attention when they premiered or in any of the years since. Most likely because both "The Krabby Kronicle" and "Bulletin Board" are vaguely social media themed without having any characters actually use the internet or computers in both episodes, except for a printing press. I like how it took until the spin-off Patrick Star Show to make an internet/social media episode within the SpongeBob SquarePants franchise to get actual mainstream attention. Like I've said before about being more direct with its references, The Patrick Star Show episode "Bubble Bass Reviews" actually has Bubble Bass using a computer and directly wearing clothes that parody an internet personality. There you go internet critics that caught the attention of this episode. Bubble Bass is using the internet to voice his reviews, just like you critics out there using the internet to respond to this very episode.
I think "The Krabby Kronicle" was more of an attack on yellow journalism and tabloids, both of which have been around for over a century while the Bulletin Board was about "boards", which were parts of websites where users could talk about various topics. Think of it like Reddit before Reddit was even a thing.
Santa Inc's ending just feels awful. Santa made a perfect statement for Candy to work along with her opponent in the Santa business, it sounded reasonable and could work, but she just said Santa to eff himself and left, showing that she was probably all in it for herself, not even to make a good business.
I saw a few reviews for the Thundercats Roar 2020. One of them had a father with his 7-year-old daughter watching the promo. She said it was "hardly silly" and "not possible" when asked by her dad if she would watch it. You know it's bad when your target audience says it's impossible to watch the actual show based on solely the promo.
At some point I remember watching the show and Mumm-ra yells “NO YOU BOOBS” and my mom looks at me like “Ava… what are you watching?” And then she realized that I was watching a kids show and she was like “Oh. He shoulda said noobs. Not… that.”
What makes it worse for Thundercats roar, one of the creators admitted that they hated the original Thundercats, obviously meaning that said creator probably just wants to ruin Thundercats for the poor fans
While I think that the backlash for the two SpongeBob Spinoffs were overblown in hindsight, I wholehartedly agree that the backlash for some of these shows are 100% justified.(COUGHVELMACOUGH!)
Now SOMEBODY agrees with me! What I think of these two crappy spinoffs for myself is that it's a spit to Hillenburg's memory, continuity from the main series has been literally thrown out of the window, and, finally, Nickelodeon milking on that kitchen sponge even after Steve's passing! This also causes for other good shows with potentials to meet their OWN demise!
Yo Strider, just letting you know that Mindy is the executive producer of Velma and the one of the writers of the series. It was meant to be based off of Mindy’s experiences and the “origins” of the gang, so she is in fact the one to blame. I love your work btw! Just wanted to give you a heads up.
Velma undercut every attempt at emotion or character development with a bad joke that made everyone look like a self centetered jerk. The only thing this show tried to do was undermine itself at every turn. Also, Mindy deserves NO SYMPATHY. This was her idea, and her track record speaks volumes. I'm guessing you never heard of her talk on Conan about how she got away with sexual harassment.
Always love it when you talk Cartoons Strider! I know you can’t do them all the time but it’s lovely to see them occasionally Edit: I wouldn’t feel sorry for Mindy, she had a massive hand in Velma, while not the sole decision maker she helped contribute a lot of what didn’t work to the show
I have a soft spot for Kamp Koral You see, last year at Comic Con I met Tom Kenny And I sang the entire Kamp Koral theme song without forgetting a single word
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 Well Tom Kenny sang the Kamp Koral theme song so of course he would know for the lyrics for it. SpongeBob SquarePants Theme Song is memorable, but ironically none of the main cast members or main characters sing that theme song. Half the time I forget Patrick Pinney is a SpongeBob cast member because when the heck do you hear his voice outside of the theme song or Painty the Pirate related roles? Not very often. The cool fish and scoutmaster in "Your Shoe's Untied," fish #1, zookeeper, and security guard in "The Smoking Peanut," and Mr. Krabs voice in SpongeBob SquarePants Typing video game are the only SpongeBob Patrick Pinney roles I could find that don't involve him voicing Painty the Pirate, the theme song, or a recreate of the theme song.
I actually like Kamp Koral. And I wouldn't mind seeing a well written action/comedy cartoon adaption of the Spongebob Mysteries books as they're actually funny and decent mysteries.
Velma… was written… by Mindy… she knew what she was doing, most of this was her doing. I don’t feel bad for her because she literally chose for the show to be written the way it was
The shower scene alone was pointless because it was about making commentary on contemporary trends by playing it straight as the punchline because fourth wall digs are funny logic. You’ve had a character say pilots use gratuitous nudity in the pilot by a character with only shower steam to cover her modesty, is the joke she’s doing the thing she’s remarking on? Because people have been pointing out shows like Riverdale using physical fanservice for years before this show was made, it’s not a groundbreaking gag.
I actually don’t mind the Patrick star show. It serves as an outlet for the writers to experiment with different stories, ideas and animation styles. It’s not for everyone but it feels like they are experimenting with the characters
Same. i feel like the Patrick show was got way too much backlash than it deserved really. And alot of it seems to stem from people trying to put words into the late Mr.Hillenberg's mouth.
It’s funny how some “kids shows” are more intelligent, introspective, and mature than most adult animated shows. But, some cartoons on nick or CN have been all noise and no substance too. Everyone is entitled to like what they like, but it’s often the well-written, and thought out cartoons that are remembered by both children and adults. For example, my siblings and our Mom both liked Scooby Doo, SpongeBob, and Danny Phantom. Because they weren’t just flashy shows with well-written jokes, there was a little more insight into the themes and messages they explored. Or, they were simply just that entertaining to both adults and kids. Scooby Doo had a nice formula of solving mysteries and teaching viewers about problem solving and critical thinking, while shows like SpongeBob were witty in their humor, making for memorable episodes in its “golden age”.
Hey Strider, Mindy also developed the character of Velma, too. I have come to believe it was a show made to just pull for attention to those who hate cartoons and those who enjoy them. It was all just plain mean-spirited nonsense, crying for attention
An adult Scooby-Doo show COULD be interesting, but Velma seriously went overboard in being hateful and edgy. It felt like every second of this show was a middle finger to everything related to Scooby-Doo in the past.
Indeed. Honestly, the basic Scooby Doo formula adjusted a bit to more target adult audience could be a good thing, if properly written/executed. Mystery Incorporated had something of a right idea for this, but skewed a bit still to some "what were the writers thinking" moments. Season 1 Velma there kinda rubs people the wrong way when she tries the "me or the dog" thing and gets a very real world response. But then, everyone treats Shaggy like dirt, rather than calling her out on the obvious "jerk move". Minor nags asside, it's actually a rather nice take on the the premise. And something similar but ratcheted up a few notches into being more targeted to adults could really work well. It could well be something that would help people forget that "Velma" as a show exists.
That’s why it is the only good thing to ever come out of this rotten franchise. That middle finger was justified as payback for everything it has done to perpetuate the lie that animation is just for children. The Sinatrasong-Shitdog show represents everything wrong with animation since Walt Disney died, Termite Terrace closed, and Hanna-Barbera sold out to Taft Broadcasting. Watch pre-1967 H-B cartoons. They mop the floor with it. Even *Pixie and Dixie* held up better! *Velma* is the only good thing to come out of this show ever, and all the hate directed towards it says nothing about the show and everything about its racist misogynistic haters.
As soon as I saw the ad for Velma on RUclips, my first thought was "This is just gonna be some woke political dumpster fire isn't it?" And as such I never gave it the time of day. I didn't even need to. The reviews I've seen floating around are enough to tell me my assumption was more right than I was anticipating.
Yeah, but I would say that even if Patrick is SpongeBob's best friend I think that the title of second most important character in the show belongs to Squidward.
@@NightCloudII love Patrick he’s my favorite character in SpongeBob with the best one liners but a squidward show would have been better. I feel there could’ve been more done if they gave him a show not like those casual Pat haters for Hayden for being done I never got that he was always the most entertaining character as a kid and as an adult some of the jokes are even funnier now, but Squidward character just seems perfect for his own spin off show, and Patrick, as much as I love him is a side character to SpongeBob, where I feel like Squidward is is more own flushed out character and would’ve made a good show
Don't feel bad for Mindy in Velma, it's her own show. She chose to have Velma and all the other characters be this unlikeable. She was even being an ass about negative opinions on the show lol
The testament to a good show is that it has something appealing to everybody. That involves coherent writing, good animation, and VAs who have a genuine passion for the material.
I feel like Total Dramarama also take away the world building of the show. Weird complaint, I know but I always liked how the contestants were from different places. Here it feels weird because apparently they all knew each other since childhood and came from the same town.
The Patrick Show reminds me of how the Rev. W. Awdry predicted how Thomas & Friends would turn out: “Once the Americans get hold of it, they will vulgarise and ruin it.”
24:45 Phantomstrider: "This writing is *miles* better than Hoops or Fairview, and there are a few jokes that actually made me laugh." *Proceeds to show one of the most groaning and cringe-worthy "jokes" that so many people despised at*
Between Disney making live action remakes of their classic animated movies and shows Warner bros. canceling almost all their animation department and Nickelodeon canceling every show that doesn't reach the same rating as Spongebob it's rough being an animation fan.
@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 yeah every now and again you get a good animated movie, a good streaming movie or show, anything that Adult Swim has made recently, any anime movie or show, or a good animated youtube short.
Don't forget Cartoon Network rejecting every show that isn't a comedy for little kids. That's why the PG-rated My Adventures With Superman is on Adult Swim.
The only thing I don't hate about Velma is that the show introduced more people to Mystery Incorporated, a far funnier, more serious, better written show, despite the fact it has a younger target audience
I love how you compared these cartoons to the original worst of all time to see how they hold up, Strider. This video, as a whole, really took me back. And it’s awesome to see how much has changed since 7 years ago.
I had no idea Strider nowadays isn't particularly fond of South Park. Like how I don't really like The Loud House and SVTFOE nowadays even though I used to like them years ago.
Instead of the Patrick Show, they could have made a show about Sandy doing science stuff in her treedome, accidentally causing an unseen potential catastrophe, then having to fix it in some weird way while trying to hide it from the other residents of Bikini Bottom. Kinda like Phineas & Ferb but with lower stakes.
Good thing to note is that the crew behind ThunderCats Roar were not involved in the production of the Teen Titans Go "crossover" episode- it was completely made by the Teen Titans Go crew with just a few voice actors popping in there. The episode did a great job tanking people's expectations of the show when it barely even aired.
And the fact she also admitted to sexually assaulting a colleague by kissing him unprompted and unconsentually and then told someone she'll fire them it they told anyone. And played it off like a funny haha joke 🤦
Okay, Not gonna lie, Robyn's IDGAF rap was hilarious! As for the rest of the shows, I really hate it when creators have the mindset of: "We don't need to put effort into our shows, because kids are stupid." To borrow a quote from Linkara: "Just because something is made for children, doesn't mean it can't still be sophisticated." And I wish more people making kids shows would learn this, and stop dumbing their shows down!
If I could speak to the creators of Velma I'd ask, 'How did it felt to dance on the graves of Ken Spears and Joe Ruby while making the show?' In 2020, both co-creators of Scooby-Doo died, so I wonder if Velma's creator started making a contest of the show immediately after hearing of their passing which really is just insulting to the original Scooby Doo franchise. Being a long-time Scooby Doo fan, I enjoyed all the characters and the shows I grew up watching. In my opinion, this does not belong to the franchise, it doesn't even deserve the title of being part of it in any shape or form. Velma disgusts me and it upsets me to see a long time family friendly show turn into this abomination, I'm sure Joe and Ken are turning in their graves right now. May their souls rest in peace.
1 thing that bugged me about camp koral is when in the early days of spongebob when spongebob first met sandy he thought she was about to be eaten by a giant clam and tried to help her then finding out she’s one of the toughest creatures he’s ever met and built on their friendship from there now that camp koral exists it basically made that classic episode pointless cuz it turned out they did know each other in the past and just doesn’t make sense to me
The thing that surprises me about High Guardian Spice is how unfinished it feels even after YEARS from the announcement to the release. I get it, they didn't started right from the announcement, but... Look, I'm not a writer, but I have stories I hope I will tell one day when I'll find the energy and willing to write them. Meanwhile, I do think of the idea of my story even if I don't work on it juat because I think it's fun. And, with a deadline, I would probably force myself to find the best ways I could improve the story. And a few years probably shouldn't be that much of a rush. But that's just me without any knowledge about show making. One of the creators have come out and said that the lack of money in the production also lead them to have fewer meetings to talk about the show. And they are probably working on other projects too. But, from my perspective WITH LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, I do think the show shouldn't have emended up as bad as it did at least on a writing department.
@@phantomstrider she's lovely 😊 I always enjoy your input on tv shows and it's very fun to see another person expressing they're opinions, it would be quite fun to see Nym rank her 10 favorite and or least favourite cartoons but I've always enjoyed your content strider and I'm excited to see what's next 😄
I feel like the ethos of Velma perfectly encapsulates that of the section of this generation it was made by and pretends to give a voice to: spiteful, bitter, hateful, resentful, only caring for their sociopolitical agenda, and lacking any real warmth or care for others.
It's nice to see talks about cartoons again, the world of cartoons has gotten so bizarre lately with some really unfunny ones, but also there are some ones that I absolutely love like The Owl House and Amphibia. But yeah, not surprising to see Velma take the cake. I haven't seen it since I don't wanna support it, but what's shocking is that it made a boatload of money because people most people hate-watched it so they could express how much it truly sucked. I guess in this scenario, all attention was good attention for Velma. What a gross show haha
I really like all of the effort you put into this video. Down to the little details like the Animal Crossing cutaways during the Velma review. I enjoy your editing style and narrative as always!
Thank you! Almost all the top comment are attacking that Mindy writer about Velma. It's refreshing to see someone talk about the other 39 minutes of the video!
I feel like we've entered a new age in animation where you really can't expect what to see. I've actually seen quite a lot of people like the patrick show, it surprised me. 34:15, might wanna correct the greenscreen here
i really love the idea of comparing this list to the worst cartoons list! i would’ve liked to have seen each show go against the show of the same placement but the route you decided to go in is also satisfactory, plus i don’t think these lists are THAT ordered. i would love to see more of this kind of thing if you can!
Mickey: People love us! Even adults! Woody: You're saying that like they're bad people! Bugs: "What's up, doc," is your actress's career if you say something like that again. Daffy: You're dethpicable! Velmindy: Uhh, you wouldn't hurt a girl with glasses, would you? I'm also supposed to be based on a beloved cartoon character from the 60s! It's something the target audience least expects! (Everybody beats up Velmindy) Porky: Th-th-th-that's why you should never let Mindy Kaling direct another cartoon, folks!
13:23 Stephan Colbert is a not only a great comedian, but a great man. There was an interview he did with Anderson Cooper about loss and grief. it was really touching.
Thelma is what happens when teenage character's try to act out an episode of CSI. The Scooby-Doo series in any of it's incarnations was intended to be fun, the writers of Thelma tried to make it serious. The only thing I saw that might be worse was a Scooby-Doo comic that took place during a Zombie apocalypse.
20:45 just to be completely clear, that second tweet isn't referring to total dramarama, it's referring to the 2023 reboot of the main total drama series (which in fairness would have been an unfair inclusion in the video since it's literally only out in italy and has been since april with no worldwide release date in sight)
A Sandy Cheeks spinoff might have been a great idea. Lol! The Thundercats look more like Thunderchimps. Hoops is for the Poops, give me the anime "Slam Dunk" any day. I could imagine Kamp Koral looking better in claymation stop-motion, but the show makes the same mistake of so many junior versions of original Hanna Barbera shows, which are nothing new or original. Santa Inc gives Nightmare Before Christmas a bad name. High Guardian Spice looks like a parody of anime. Velma was most likely trying to copy the animated Harley Quinn series. Knew it was gross from the moment I saw the cockroaches mating.
Not gonna lie, but ever since that Velma cartoon came out, there have been so many memes to demonize that cartoon. Like in so many ways, I’ve literally notice videos where the sheriff runs her over, and every comment is literally saying things like yay that guy is a hero. There’s even like comparisons of Velma and Puss in boots last wish where you see who favors which. You get to see Little Jack Horner, doing his performance, while a Velma poster hangs over him then one one of the audience members shouts, a magic puppet turns over to Pinocchio you see a poster of Puss in boots last wish. To make it even more nuttier they did a SpongeBob talent show meme where Puss in boots comes out on stage everybody cheers and Velma appears on stage everyone doesn’t cheer they stay quiet. Then well yeah it goes to show people rather go watch Puss in boots last wish over Velma. But besides Puss in boots, there’s even a meme where it shows Scooby Doo just calling Velma irredeemable monster. Then it later shows Scooby Doo fans as the cricket saying the same thing, irredeemable monster to Mindy Kaling. I mean yeah the show was so bad that people would rather go watch Puss in boots last wish over Velma. Which really does tell you that was really hated show. Unlike Velma, what really angered fans of Scooby Doo so much was the fact that Velma we’ve always known her to be a caring, kind smart bookworm character yeah, they make this character out as a narcissist couldn’t care what color or sexuality anybody is, but the fact is they just made her more as what villains wiki calls as an obsessed egotist. Although as bad as Velma is, this wasn’t the first time a bunch of characters from an original story that has ever been bastardized. Such as if you’ve seen Ren & Stimpy adult party cartoon yeah 20 years before Velma, John K did a reboot of Ren & Stimpy for adults on Spike TV. It was so bad. They only managed to get three episodes in every other episode never made it. It was released on DVD years later, and only six episodes made it through DVD. Nothing made any sense. It was just not even worth funny to adults. He just look like wow are used to enjoy watch Ren & Stimpy back when I was young but seeing it look like tall garbage like I’m in the mindset of John K’s mental state. Yeah it goes to show. This was a terrible idea. The most disappointing part of it all is history repeating itself not surprisingly it’ll always repeat itself, but HBO didn’t seem to notice that.
I have to be honest, I love Kamp Koral as an adult who grew up with Spongebob lol It's def nowhere near as good as Spongebob, but be fr nothing is, tho it's goofy and cute
I actually like get a clue. I don’t think it should be considered a Scooby Doo show but it’s entertaining and totally in character. That’s exactly how shaggy and Scooby would act in that bizarre situation. It’s a show about Scooby not a Scooby show. Honestly I kinda want more franchises to have something like that.
I feel like Higglytown Heroes did the Matryoshka nesting doll thing better than Fairview. The Fairview characters look more like the politician line for Weebles. Also, I'm deeply concerned that someone thought that Santa Inc. was supposed to be aimed at children. That's like saying that Family Guy or South Park are aimed at children!
what's worse about hoops is it sounds like the voice actor for the coach is the same as peter b parker from into the spiderverse, an amazing character in an amazing movie
Great video, I was so sad when I saw the trailer for Velma, as a fan of Scooby Doo, it hurts to see something I ( and so many others) grew up with being changed with such a poorly written spin off , which, I heard a rumor that they'd already made a second season.
I think the worst part about this is I recognized the voice actor for the coach in Hoops. It is none other than Jake Johnson, the voice of Peter B Parker in the spider verse movies. I swear it amazes me the projects that these actors will accept.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who enjoyed Paradise PD. I was wondering if it'd end up on this list, since I can absolutely understand people having issues with it. But for me personally, I also found it to be funny, unexpected, and to have a good cast of characters.
honestly, i don't think the patrick star show is that bad, i have only seen a few episodes but i thought it was alright. it's definitely made for children, but it's silly and fun
The best way to describe Velma is that almost every line of dialogue is insulting some based on their physical appearance, or mindy kayling airing out her grievances about Americas society and the entertainment industry
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Velma, in her own show, is very unlikable that she made Scrappy Doo of all people looking like a saint.
Yeah
Nahh Scrappy's still pretty bad. Unless we're talking his Scooby Apocalypse comic incarnation. Then he's mildly intriguing.
In My Opinion I Like Scrappy Doo From The Scooby And Scrappy Doo Shorts Version Not The Original One From The Scooby And Scrappy Doo Show
@@AngryBirdsFanticI love The Scooby Doo and Scrappy Show version of Scrappy
@@DavidGibsonTVMe too
Velma is so insistent on showing the bad and mean side of life, that it forgets that not everyone is a jerk or a terrible person like everyone in the show is portrayed to be.
Honestly I don't get the obsession with the show. Scooby Doo doesn't exactly have some reputation for consistent quality. If there's one thing you count on in a few years they'll be another show that may or may be good. That goes doubly for any show with a legacy because you know they'll try again.
@@TyphonJRT Well for me, Scooby-Doo is like one of my favorite shows, I know everyone doesn't love it, but it is special to me. But even if I wasn't a fan of Scooby-Doo, the show is still horrendous from it's writing, attempts at humor, and overall even trying to tell a story. And for me being a Scooby-Doo fan, it makes it all about 10 times worse.
It's not bad it feels like family guy with more gruesome detail. It's a bootleg there not trying to be on cartoon network. Scooby-Doo is trademarked so they will have to ask hanabarbera to use Scooby-Doo. Velma,Daphne,Shaggy are not trademarked. If you want a velma cartoon that is not adult themed. Then that's sign to make your owns.
@@nolanchoyou Guys can make a Velma cartoon of your own.they want more cartoons on cartoon network if someone can think of one.Homelander and Omniman are bootleg versions of superman. Blizzard even said thier characters is based off other games.
Very true.
I think we can all agree that with Mindy's Velma now being an established thing, we owe Scrappy Doo the world's *biggest* apology.
No, we don’t. If the human characters had been well written or interesting to begin with, and if the main character weren’t a coward, there wouldn’t be a Scrappy Doo.
I always loved Scrappy Doo
Yall also owe Be cool an apology
“Perhaps I was too harsh on you…”
You know what, I never hated Scrappy Doo as much as everyone else. A small puppy who isn't afraid of monsters like the rest of the gang was a cute idea. I just thought it was badly executed.
Grey Delisle the voice actress for Daphne ABSOLUTELY hates the show Velma. You know you screwed up when the actors/actresses hate it
She also hates pellets who makes fan animations if God forbid they have to use AI for their voices…
@@Ashkihyena just from that comment I have lost all respect for her.
Hi at around 26:00 what music is that?
Grey Delisle-Griffin is the best Daphne hands down.
@@Ashkihyenaoh right, Scooby-Doo in uhh Fazbear fright? Forgot the videos name.
Someone said something interesting about the Total Drama show when Total Dramarama came out:
The original show had both stereotypical character and ANTI-stereotypes. For example, Gwen was a goth girl who was actually pretty sociable. Total Dramarama has only stereotypes.
That’s one of my main, after many, negatives I have about the show. Everyone is literally the same person they were when they were teens except Gwen!
They probably just thought “Oh she’s a goth on TD so let’s just make her be unsocial, creepy, weirdo child.” OG Gwen was friendly and nice to others(minus Heather), but in rama they completely ruined her character. She didn’t act like a child like the others, she acted like she was a stereotypical emo/goth teen in a child’s body.
I actually think what makes the show suck is it's the antithesis of OG TDI. None of them are teens, so no drama/relatability. It's been dumbed down meaning less character depth, less good jokes and less violence (a fun draw of the original) and most importantly it has no edge. One of the biggest draws of TDI is it was edgy and got away with some bat shit crazy content. One of the most memorable being Heather's top coming off. We were straight up given a nudity scene (it was censored) of teen girl. That right there is edge and pushing it. Then of course all the cynicism is gone too. With no drama, there's no snarky back and forth or rivalries.
What's even worst is the fart fetish within the show, to which I am NOT a fan of! And added insult to injury is the existence of a fart sniffing fairy which caused long time TD fans to rage quit.
I'm pretty sure the people behind the scenes are fetishists and pedos themselves.
@@Ayana-LTLA There are multiple episodes actually where Gwen acts like a normal kid and like her teen version.
@@RealGilbertGan Only ONE episode was like that, and it's clear it was just an episode they didn't think through when making. No need to insult the people making the show.
I once described "Velma" as "Let's take everything that makes Harley Quinn work and do the complete opposite.".
Or alternatively, the Earth-3 for Scooby-Doo.
Probably the most accurate description I've _ever_ heard for _Velma_ because in my opinion, _Harley Quinn_ did it right with the 18+ humor. _Velma_ though? Not so much.
It actually would be interesting if Plankton had his own show, seeing his attempts and misadventures in trying to get the secret formula.
Or maybe even Squidward with one of his own about him trying to become a major artist.
@@jj_colombia97Or how Sandy spent her time in Texas
Or Mr Krabs. He was a sailor, so it could be marine adventures to change the pace and humor.
I'm pretty sure a Plankton spin-off film has been announced for 2024. But I would still much prefer seeing a Plankton spin-off TV show.
Or maybe episodes when he visits his hillbilly relatives to help them with their personal problems like Clem, Billy, Billy Bob, Billy Bob Bo Bo Billy, Rainchild, etc.
Mindy is not completely blameless. She was Executive Producer, which means she had to review and sign off on anything related to the show. The fact that we Got Velma was either her shirking off her responsibilities as an Exec. Producer or she looked at the trainwreck and said this is gold, which says a lot about her.
Probably doesn't help that most people in these positions have yes people all the time.
Yeah Velma was one of Mindy's vanity projects that utterly insults Scooby Doo.
To be honest I’m not entirely sure how much control Executive Producers on shows have. The amount of co-producers and supervising producers and just producers in general. It looks as though they’ll give anyone a Producer credit these days.
The show Velma even replaced Shaggy Rogers, a character that was there for decades too, for a random character..
Can I just say that she is completely oblivious to the fact that everyone was hating on that vanity project? Yes, when I mean "vanity project", I mean the Velma spin-off series itself is nothing more but a vanity project. And trust me, nobody likes a vanity project.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa Well actually, Shaggy's real name had always been Norville Rogers, so I wouldn't way he was replaced by a random character... more like that they stripped him entirely of his identity by changing his appearance and removing his more wellknown nickname, AND the great dane he owns that the _franchise is named after._
I mean, technically speaking, the other Mystery Inc members got their identity stripped away in sone fashion, but Shaggy suffered the most from this.
I think "tone deaf" is an understatement of the year for Santa Inc and it is flat out oblivious to the point. Santa even pointed out to Candy that she couldn't be the next Santa because she has made it abundantly clear she hates Christmas and she hates children, which the fundamentals of the job kinda require you to have a fondness for both. She takes this advice and completely dismisses it to whine about how it's about sexism that's blocking her and not the obvious fact she doesn't have any traits that would be needed to do the job properly.
It's very fitting for the way many people act irl
@Slayer if you mean how ppl will only get involved with something to sabotage/dismantle it from the inside, I agree.
Patrick isn’t that bad in the original seasons, he was a pretty good friend, and helped Spongebob a lot, especially in the first season.
First 3 seasons Patrick is my fave character he only becomes a jerk in the later ones
Patrick was just a very chill dude at first, just not the brightest.
Now, the light isn’t even there
yep, in the later seasons he sucks tho
At least Seasons 9b-13 reverted Patrick to his old lovable personality and kept his jerkish side from Seasons 6-9a to a minimum.
How much I've missed the old Patrick from season 1-3.
You do realize that Mindy WROTE Velma...right? She's 100% to blame.
Technically she didn't but the person who writes for her has done it for years on her other shows.
The writing is insufferable, yes. But when this much concentrated hate is aimed at one person, I try to move them out of the firing range.
@@phantomstrider Well, I admit you make a fair point. But personally, I only watched the trailer and the pilot episode and I immediately got ticked off. I instantly switched over to something that makes me feel happy and excited: a Japanese superhero tv series that's been around for over 50 years called Kamen Rider, and I automatically felt better. The message that I'm trying to get across is If we just ignore the bad movies, tv shows and cartoons, they'll eventually fade into obscurity, forgotten by the passing sands of time.
@@phantomstrider Well, she did commit a crime, a very serious one, which she treats as a joke. But that crime is not "Making Velma". (Unless it turns out Velma is some The Producers inspired embezzlement scheme where the show was incredibly bad on purpose.)
@@phantomstrider Aside from making a joke about that time she committed sexual harassment.
One of the biggest problems with Santa Inc is that there’s already a much better alternative in Arthur Christmas. Arthur Christmas does the idea of “unlikely character proves they can become the next Santa” much better than Santa Inc, and does it in a way that’s not incredibly mean-spirited, gross, and/or vulgar. It also has a character realize that maybe they’re not cut out to be Santa, and that’s ok, they can still help bring joy to the world in their own special way- which I feel like is the lesson Santa Inc’s main character needed to learn, but sadly the show just continued to double down on its shallow edginess.
Not only that, much of the Jokes are not actually funny in Santa Inc, but are thinly veiled jabs at people who actually ask questions about mainstream narratives rather than follow it like lost puppies.
I haven't seen Arthur Christmas yet
@@stephanniemorin me too
People still remember that film?:0
I hate the "it's for kids, it doesn't need to be intelligent" excuse for bad writing and whatever in cartoons, because I think kids deserve more respect than that.
Facts.
Honestly I would argue that if you kids are watching something that teaches them to be more immature is worse bc we need to teach kids to be more mature and if kids watch this and use it as dialogue in their life then we know we screwed up in society
Absolutely
Honestly, Before Steven Hillenburg's Death, The Cartoon world was %50 Persent Great, After, F**K THESE WRITERS
And that's why anime is getting better than the west.
I remember when RUclips was FILLED with videos of people talking about their HATE of the show, Velma. Like, I couldn't even get through a day on RUclips without seeing the thumbnail for a Velma Rant video. There were so many, I was like, "No, I'm not doing this."
The website was literally recommending all these Velma Rant videos to me, even though I already knew Velma was going to bomb. It was exhausting!
That’s RUclips for you.
I remember that too! And it didn’t just last a day or something, this went on for like WEEKS 😅 ugh!
@@madelinetracy3847Months, actually.
The biggest insult from Thundercats Roar is how many people wanted more Thundercats 2011 and we got that instead.
"People REALLY hate Teen Titans Go!" "Let's make a Thundercats version!" "Good Idea!" -Thundercats Roar pitch.
A pup named scooby doo was an exception to the "kids spinoffs suck" rule in my opinion because it still had them doing what made them famous in the first place (solving mysteries) and although it was softer in tone, it didn't feel watered/dumbed down, at least not nearly as much as others.
I hard agree. But maybe I'm biased because I genuinely liked the show back then and still do hah
@@Ukiby3000 Same.
There were also a live-action when they were in high-school, and frankly? Like the show where they're kids, the movie worked also, it wasn't that bad to the movie where Scrappy-Doo was a villain who collected people's souls..
I remember when I still had DirecTV and I would watch A Pup Named Scooby Doo in the morning on Boomerang, and honestly, I wasn't bored watching it. I got pretty interested in the storylines and thought the designs of the characters were clever and cute, which is unusual for me to think when it comes to the "same show except the characters are all kids" cookie-cutter premise.
Tiny toons was great though it shouldn't be lumped up with shit stains on franchises like total dramarama or Lonny tunes babys
Mindy is both the voice and the main writer of Velma. So it is 100% her fault, because she wrote her!
She inserted herself in Velma.🤦🏻
literally just self insert """"scooby doo"""" show
Agree with you it could have been great but wasn’t Velma was just too unlikable
I don't think Mindy should write for shows ever again after she took a massive shit on a beloved character.
As a Scooby fan I’m insulted by that implication. No where near enough quotations.
That’s actually kind of surprising, a lot of the worst shows for kids seems to forget that everyone can be a little mean but it doesn’t make us mean people, while some of the worst shows aimed at teens and adults forget that people can be nice without being gullible or dumb, and the best shows on both ends have far more complex characters with both good and bad socializing skills.
Good point
I find it pretty amusing how Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated, a show for kids, is more mature than Velma, a show for adults.
Facts. This show is so undeniably horrendous as fudge, that it makes June from Little Einsteins look and feel like a very well-mannered Queen by Comparison and in fact, even Aigis and June would be good friends with each other too and I can say the same with Max too (ya know, the one who is Goofy's son).
So, in other words, it's official: Little Einsteins had someone who acts more like a matured Human Being than this variant of Velma who is actually a Villainous Protagonist than a Heroic one, meaning that if Captain Jake is the Little King of the eternally expanded Playhouse Disney/Disney Junior family, then June would be the Queen.
Adults shows are more immature than that of children cartoons.
and is LOADS better than Velma
But South Park is immature in a good way.
@@nathanielpatterson-rc9dq South Park Can Actually Tell A Decent Story Though Velma Was Just I'm Toxic Look At Me
To be fair to Velma the scene where she gets hit by a car made me laugh hard.
And Norville actually gives her a piece of his mind not long after
Or a eighteen-wheeler. Or a Mack truck. Or a tank.
I can't even say Fairview's character design is original. An old Disney preschool show called Higglytown Heroes did the stacking dolls (not even gonna try and spell that) design and actually integrated it well into the setting and movements!
Personally it reminded me of Mr Wobblyman from Noddy.
Higglytown Heroes? I haven't heard that name in years.
I was just about to say that!
@@TennoWolfActually had to look it up to get the vague memories resurfaced!
r/tripdownmemorylane
I got a theory: Patrick's real parents never really loved him for being unintelligent, and his parents sent him to Kamp Koral to abandon him, that being the reason Patrick was crying on the log about being homesick in the movie. Also, with Patrick now being an orphan, he is then adopted, being the reason why in the Patrick Star show, Patrick's parents look nothing alike to the ones in the main show, and how Patrick's sister is a literal squid.
And so, this Theory would work like a Glove of sorts.
I really wish that was canon, because that's a really good story. The canonical story, however, is that Patrick's family in the Patrick Star Show are all actors, and not his real family, similarly to how in sitcoms, families in shows are almost always never related in real life.
If this was the actual Patrick star show it would kinda be interesting
Damn that makes a lot of sense
Janet? MARTY? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!?!?!
You know that Velma is ATROCIOUS when the way she was written makes me want Scrappy Doo back.
Yeah. Even my mom thought he was annoying when she was a kid. But maybe it's because she is the oldest of three sisters, idk.
No, it doesn’t. You’re just regurgitating yt h3t g-nt-l- m@13 supremacist propaganda to rack up Internet hate points. *Velma* rules and that dumb dog and his equally dumb family drools!
Who's gonna be the one to tell him Mindy didn't just voice velma but created the show
She's not credited as one of the creators, but she's the executive producer and was the one talking the most in interviews about how this show would be about her idealized version of Velma
The same person should let him know that season two was already green lit...
Smile and wave.
Velma is basically the definition of bringing a racist Twitter user on to write the show.
I would prefer that because sometimes racist Twitter users racism is amusing if it's the right kind of stupidity.
Maybe they can hire that Black female teacher from Texas to write season three.
Yeah, when i watch velma, the biggest thing that hits me in the face is the racism both to Misty's own self insert (that's the only reason Velma is Indian) and black people, white people, Asians and plenty more at least it spreads the hate semi evenly
Or WOKE. As if it's any excuse for the dumb creators to be incompetent to even begin with.
Recently the Patrick star show did an episode where bubble bass was an over the top online critic and he was even wearing Doug Walkers iconic suit
I heard of that.
Okay The Patrick Star Show, you did it. You've officially gained mainstream now. The Patrick Star Show has just been sitting there, quietly chilling in the background for the past 2 years since July 9, 2021, obviously not gaining anywhere near the amount of attention as the main SpongeBob SquarePants show. But then all of a sudden the episode "Bubble Bass Reviews" premiered on July 24, 2023 and now finally The Patrick Star Show has an episode gaining mainstream attention due to the episode's blatant references to internet culture and the good old Nostalgia Critic. A man that PhantomStrider has collaborated with multiple times. Some of these cartoon reviewers are really going places these days, huh? It's funny too because back in the day, people insisted to me that the main SpongeBob SquarePants cartoon had two episodes that were vaguely referencing social media. Specifically "The Krabby Kronicle" (cancel culture) and "Bulletin Board" (Twitter/X). But despite these claims, neither of those episodes got mainstream attention when they premiered or in any of the years since. Most likely because both "The Krabby Kronicle" and "Bulletin Board" are vaguely social media themed without having any characters actually use the internet or computers in both episodes, except for a printing press. I like how it took until the spin-off Patrick Star Show to make an internet/social media episode within the SpongeBob SquarePants franchise to get actual mainstream attention. Like I've said before about being more direct with its references, The Patrick Star Show episode "Bubble Bass Reviews" actually has Bubble Bass using a computer and directly wearing clothes that parody an internet personality. There you go internet critics that caught the attention of this episode. Bubble Bass is using the internet to voice his reviews, just like you critics out there using the internet to respond to this very episode.
I think "The Krabby Kronicle" was more of an attack on yellow journalism and tabloids, both of which have been around for over a century while the Bulletin Board was about "boards", which were parts of websites where users could talk about various topics. Think of it like Reddit before Reddit was even a thing.
BUILD THAT WALL
Please tell me there was a Lindsay Ellis or Jew Wario. The stuff that happened over that was insane.
Santa Inc's ending just feels awful. Santa made a perfect statement for Candy to work along with her opponent in the Santa business, it sounded reasonable and could work, but she just said Santa to eff himself and left, showing that she was probably all in it for herself, not even to make a good business.
Don't tell me she also... (Gulp) flipped him off as well!
Where can o find this show?
I saw a few reviews for the Thundercats Roar 2020. One of them had a father with his 7-year-old daughter watching the promo. She said it was "hardly silly" and "not possible" when asked by her dad if she would watch it. You know it's bad when your target audience says it's impossible to watch the actual show based on solely the promo.
At some point I remember watching the show and Mumm-ra yells “NO YOU BOOBS” and my mom looks at me like “Ava… what are you watching?” And then she realized that I was watching a kids show and she was like “Oh. He shoulda said noobs. Not… that.”
@@AvahaulAtYourServiceBoobs is another word for morons.
What makes it worse for Thundercats roar, one of the creators admitted that they hated the original Thundercats, obviously meaning that said creator probably just wants to ruin Thundercats for the poor fans
It worked
@@Emily-cw7tj You're not wrong, not even close to wrong
While I think that the backlash for the two SpongeBob Spinoffs were overblown in hindsight, I wholehartedly agree that the backlash for some of these shows are 100% justified.(COUGHVELMACOUGH!)
I have a feeling it's because they think stephen hillenburg didn't like the idea of spin-offs when he was fine with it
Now SOMEBODY agrees with me! What I think of these two crappy spinoffs for myself is that it's a spit to Hillenburg's memory, continuity from the main series has been literally thrown out of the window, and, finally, Nickelodeon milking on that kitchen sponge even after Steve's passing! This also causes for other good shows with potentials to meet their OWN demise!
Honestly I just wish they stopped SpongeBob when he died R.I.P
Nah, Stephen never wanted spin-offs, and those spin-offs are nothing but brain rot, so that's two strikes for them.
I agree@@imselfaware419! It dam well pissed me off to why Nickelodeon decided to make those two pieces of crap!
Yo Strider, just letting you know that Mindy is the executive producer of Velma and the one of the writers of the series. It was meant to be based off of Mindy’s experiences and the “origins” of the gang, so she is in fact the one to blame. I love your work btw! Just wanted to give you a heads up.
Gotcha :) I've been told a few times and cut out that particular part of the review, not realising. Thanks for the heads up though!
Velma undercut every attempt at emotion or character development with a bad joke that made everyone look like a self centetered jerk. The only thing this show tried to do was undermine itself at every turn. Also, Mindy deserves NO SYMPATHY. This was her idea, and her track record speaks volumes. I'm guessing you never heard of her talk on Conan about how she got away with sexual harassment.
Always love it when you talk Cartoons Strider! I know you can’t do them all the time but it’s lovely to see them occasionally
Edit: I wouldn’t feel sorry for Mindy, she had a massive hand in Velma, while not the sole decision maker she helped contribute a lot of what didn’t work to the show
I have a soft spot for Kamp Koral
You see, last year at Comic Con I met Tom Kenny
And I sang the entire Kamp Koral theme song without forgetting a single word
Yeah Kamp koral kinda doesn’t deserve the hate in my book..
Why do you two have a soft spot for that lame retconning shit? Besides the theme song
@@gamingcharactersletsplays5384It's just getting hate from Nick going against Stephen Hillenberg the second he died.
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 Well Tom Kenny sang the Kamp Koral theme song so of course he would know for the lyrics for it. SpongeBob SquarePants Theme Song is memorable, but ironically none of the main cast members or main characters sing that theme song. Half the time I forget Patrick Pinney is a SpongeBob cast member because when the heck do you hear his voice outside of the theme song or Painty the Pirate related roles? Not very often. The cool fish and scoutmaster in "Your Shoe's Untied," fish #1, zookeeper, and security guard in "The Smoking Peanut," and Mr. Krabs voice in SpongeBob SquarePants Typing video game are the only SpongeBob Patrick Pinney roles I could find that don't involve him voicing Painty the Pirate, the theme song, or a recreate of the theme song.
I actually like Kamp Koral. And I wouldn't mind seeing a well written action/comedy cartoon adaption of the Spongebob Mysteries books as they're actually funny and decent mysteries.
Velma… was written… by Mindy… she knew what she was doing, most of this was her doing. I don’t feel bad for her because she literally chose for the show to be written the way it was
The worst part of Velma was that it's supposed to be set in high school and the 1st episode had a shower scene that felt uncomfortable considering.
The shower scene alone was pointless because it was about making commentary on contemporary trends by playing it straight as the punchline because fourth wall digs are funny logic. You’ve had a character say pilots use gratuitous nudity in the pilot by a character with only shower steam to cover her modesty, is the joke she’s doing the thing she’s remarking on? Because people have been pointing out shows like Riverdale using physical fanservice for years before this show was made, it’s not a groundbreaking gag.
I actually don’t mind the Patrick star show. It serves as an outlet for the writers to experiment with different stories, ideas and animation styles. It’s not for everyone but it feels like they are experimenting with the characters
Same. i feel like the Patrick show was got way too much backlash than it deserved really. And alot of it seems to stem from people trying to put words into the late Mr.Hillenberg's mouth.
Same here. I prefer seeing that spinoff over "Kamp Koral".
I'm mixed on it. Least the Patrick Star show can be weirdly endearing. Especially Squidina! She's adorable!
I would say the show should at least respect Stephen Hillensburg's wish's considering it's based off of his show.
It’s funny how some “kids shows” are more intelligent, introspective, and mature than most adult animated shows. But, some cartoons on nick or CN have been all noise and no substance too. Everyone is entitled to like what they like, but it’s often the well-written, and thought out cartoons that are remembered by both children and adults. For example, my siblings and our Mom both liked Scooby Doo, SpongeBob, and Danny Phantom. Because they weren’t just flashy shows with well-written jokes, there was a little more insight into the themes and messages they explored. Or, they were simply just that entertaining to both adults and kids. Scooby Doo had a nice formula of solving mysteries and teaching viewers about problem solving and critical thinking, while shows like SpongeBob were witty in their humor, making for memorable episodes in its “golden age”.
Hey Strider, Mindy also developed the character of Velma, too. I have come to believe it was a show made to just pull for attention to those who hate cartoons and those who enjoy them. It was all just plain mean-spirited nonsense, crying for attention
An adult Scooby-Doo show COULD be interesting, but Velma seriously went overboard in being hateful and edgy. It felt like every second of this show was a middle finger to everything related to Scooby-Doo in the past.
Indeed. Honestly, the basic Scooby Doo formula adjusted a bit to more target adult audience could be a good thing, if properly written/executed. Mystery Incorporated had something of a right idea for this, but skewed a bit still to some "what were the writers thinking" moments. Season 1 Velma there kinda rubs people the wrong way when she tries the "me or the dog" thing and gets a very real world response. But then, everyone treats Shaggy like dirt, rather than calling her out on the obvious "jerk move". Minor nags asside, it's actually a rather nice take on the the premise. And something similar but ratcheted up a few notches into being more targeted to adults could really work well. It could well be something that would help people forget that "Velma" as a show exists.
That’s why it is the only good thing to ever come out of this rotten franchise. That middle finger was justified as payback for everything it has done to perpetuate the lie that animation is just for children.
The Sinatrasong-Shitdog show represents everything wrong with animation since Walt Disney died, Termite Terrace closed, and Hanna-Barbera sold out to Taft Broadcasting. Watch pre-1967 H-B cartoons. They mop the floor with it. Even *Pixie and Dixie* held up better!
*Velma* is the only good thing to come out of this show ever, and all the hate directed towards it says nothing about the show and everything about its racist misogynistic haters.
That’s not going to happen. Velma exists, it rules, and it is the only good thing to come out of this wretched franchise ever.
@@AttmayStop saying lies.
As soon as I saw the ad for Velma on RUclips, my first thought was "This is just gonna be some woke political dumpster fire isn't it?" And as such I never gave it the time of day.
I didn't even need to. The reviews I've seen floating around are enough to tell me my assumption was more right than I was anticipating.
To be fair Strider, Patrick is Spongebob’s best friend, so he technically is the most important character on the show that isn’t Spongebob.
Yeah, but I would say that even if Patrick is SpongeBob's best friend I think that the title of second most important character in the show belongs to Squidward.
@@NightCloudII love Patrick he’s my favorite character in SpongeBob with the best one liners but a squidward show would have been better. I feel there could’ve been more done if they gave him a show not like those casual Pat haters for Hayden for being done I never got that he was always the most entertaining character as a kid and as an adult some of the jokes are even funnier now, but Squidward character just seems perfect for his own spin off show, and Patrick, as much as I love him is a side character to SpongeBob, where I feel like Squidward is is more own flushed out character and would’ve made a good show
Don't feel bad for Mindy in Velma, it's her own show. She chose to have Velma and all the other characters be this unlikeable. She was even being an ass about negative opinions on the show lol
Are you kidding? This is the only time the characters have even been tolerable. Long liVELMA!
I've never met a fan IRL of it, & I can't imagine how miserable an experience that would be...
The testament to a good show is that it has something appealing to everybody. That involves coherent writing, good animation, and VAs who have a genuine passion for the material.
I feel like Total Dramarama also take away the world building of the show. Weird complaint, I know but I always liked how the contestants were from different places. Here it feels weird because apparently they all knew each other since childhood and came from the same town.
It's a non-canon spin-off set in an AU.
I actually thought it was ok
The Patrick Show reminds me of how the Rev. W. Awdry predicted how Thomas & Friends would turn out: “Once the Americans get hold of it, they will vulgarise and ruin it.”
Its like Cold War technology.
If someone somewhere gets ahold of it besides the original owner, chances are its gonna be bungled up.
24:45
Phantomstrider: "This writing is *miles* better than Hoops or Fairview, and there are a few jokes that actually made me laugh."
*Proceeds to show one of the most groaning and cringe-worthy "jokes" that so many people despised at*
Between Disney making live action remakes of their classic animated movies and shows Warner bros. canceling almost all their animation department and Nickelodeon canceling every show that doesn't reach the same rating as Spongebob it's rough being an animation fan.
We got RUclips animations.
@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 yeah every now and again you get a good animated movie, a good streaming movie or show, anything that Adult Swim has made recently, any anime movie or show, or a good animated youtube short.
Don't forget Cartoon Network rejecting every show that isn't a comedy for little kids. That's why the PG-rated My Adventures With Superman is on Adult Swim.
@@jlev1028 Or Netflix also canceling shows that barely even get up to 1 or 2 seasons.
@@jlev1028my mate, a few facts. This show is welp, one of the following Adult Swim products that lean on the Lighter and Softer side and stuff.
High guardian spice is such a huge rabbit hole that even asking one question about the show would break it entirely
The only thing I don't hate about Velma is that the show introduced more people to Mystery Incorporated, a far funnier, more serious, better written show, despite the fact it has a younger target audience
Nah, I dunno about that, Velma didn’t really have an audience, so, I don’t know if we can say the audience was younger or older
Yes, the show does have an audience, and we are sick and tired of being bullied, gaslit, and told that we don’t actually exist.
Mystery incorporated is not even funny.
I love how you compared these cartoons to the original worst of all time to see how they hold up, Strider.
This video, as a whole, really took me back.
And it’s awesome to see how much has changed since 7 years ago.
I had no idea Strider nowadays isn't particularly fond of South Park. Like how I don't really like The Loud House and SVTFOE nowadays even though I used to like them years ago.
Instead of the Patrick Show, they could have made a show about Sandy doing science stuff in her treedome, accidentally causing an unseen potential catastrophe, then having to fix it in some weird way while trying to hide it from the other residents of Bikini Bottom. Kinda like Phineas & Ferb but with lower stakes.
Or better they should make a spinoff show on squidward.
YES. Its so great to see strider reviewing a variety of cartoons again!
I almost pissed my pants as soon as I saw this video come up.
Good thing to note is that the crew behind ThunderCats Roar were not involved in the production of the Teen Titans Go "crossover" episode- it was completely made by the Teen Titans Go crew with just a few voice actors popping in there. The episode did a great job tanking people's expectations of the show when it barely even aired.
The kicker AND sad part is that people will know about TCR from the TTG episode than the series itself...
I'm not sure that it matters. Both shows are so similar, and suck for the same reasons.
4:25 the same thing happened with minions. They're good as a side characters, but when you put it in their own thing, its stupid and bad.
Mindy was responsible for how terrible Velma was, don’t feel bad for her. I like your reviews on these shows though!
She's also an awful person in real life, and a hardcore SJW
And the fact she also admitted to sexually assaulting a colleague by kissing him unprompted and unconsentually and then told someone she'll fire them it they told anyone.
And played it off like a funny haha joke 🤦
@@inky5574 exactly why she’s terrible and why I really dislike her.
Okay, Not gonna lie, Robyn's IDGAF rap was hilarious!
As for the rest of the shows, I really hate it when creators have the mindset of: "We don't need to put effort into our shows, because kids are stupid."
To borrow a quote from Linkara: "Just because something is made for children, doesn't mean it can't still be sophisticated."
And I wish more people making kids shows would learn this, and stop dumbing their shows down!
If I could speak to the creators of Velma I'd ask, 'How did it felt to dance on the graves of Ken Spears and Joe Ruby while making the show?' In 2020, both co-creators of Scooby-Doo died, so I wonder if Velma's creator started making a contest of the show immediately after hearing of their passing which really is just insulting to the original Scooby Doo franchise. Being a long-time Scooby Doo fan, I enjoyed all the characters and the shows I grew up watching. In my opinion, this does not belong to the franchise, it doesn't even deserve the title of being part of it in any shape or form. Velma disgusts me and it upsets me to see a long time family friendly show turn into this abomination, I'm sure Joe and Ken are turning in their graves right now. May their souls rest in peace.
1 thing that bugged me about camp koral is when in the early days of spongebob when spongebob first met sandy he thought she was about to be eaten by a giant clam and tried to help her then finding out she’s one of the toughest creatures he’s ever met and built on their friendship from there now that camp koral exists it basically made that classic episode pointless cuz it turned out they did know each other in the past and just doesn’t make sense to me
Well actually, it's kinda explained in one episode that's part of some alternate timeline cause by some phone call between kid Sandy and adult Sandy.
@@dylansharp8471ah.
The thing that surprises me about High Guardian Spice is how unfinished it feels even after YEARS from the announcement to the release. I get it, they didn't started right from the announcement, but... Look, I'm not a writer, but I have stories I hope I will tell one day when I'll find the energy and willing to write them. Meanwhile, I do think of the idea of my story even if I don't work on it juat because I think it's fun. And, with a deadline, I would probably force myself to find the best ways I could improve the story. And a few years probably shouldn't be that much of a rush.
But that's just me without any knowledge about show making. One of the creators have come out and said that the lack of money in the production also lead them to have fewer meetings to talk about the show. And they are probably working on other projects too. But, from my perspective WITH LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, I do think the show shouldn't have emended up as bad as it did at least on a writing department.
You and Nym work really well together when reviewing cartoons, it's fun seeing you talk about cartoons again
Thanks! It brings me so much joy having her in the show.
@@phantomstrider she's lovely 😊 I always enjoy your input on tv shows and it's very fun to see another person expressing they're opinions, it would be quite fun to see Nym rank her 10 favorite and or least favourite cartoons but I've always enjoyed your content strider and I'm excited to see what's next 😄
I feel like the ethos of Velma perfectly encapsulates that of the section of this generation it was made by and pretends to give a voice to: spiteful, bitter, hateful, resentful, only caring for their sociopolitical agenda, and lacking any real warmth or care for others.
18:42 the Garfield shows were peak 😭
If you’re willing to do more of these, I’d like to see a Top 10 best/underrated modern cartoons.
It's nice to see talks about cartoons again, the world of cartoons has gotten so bizarre lately with some really unfunny ones, but also there are some ones that I absolutely love like The Owl House and Amphibia.
But yeah, not surprising to see Velma take the cake. I haven't seen it since I don't wanna support it, but what's shocking is that it made a boatload of money because people most people hate-watched it so they could express how much it truly sucked. I guess in this scenario, all attention was good attention for Velma. What a gross show haha
30:30 "Dropping your guts"
Never heard that one before
I really like all of the effort you put into this video. Down to the little details like the Animal Crossing cutaways during the Velma review. I enjoy your editing style and narrative as always!
Thank you! Almost all the top comment are attacking that Mindy writer about Velma. It's refreshing to see someone talk about the other 39 minutes of the video!
@phantomstrider The entire list is really well done but Velma just pisses people off too much.
I feel like we've entered a new age in animation where you really can't expect what to see.
I've actually seen quite a lot of people like the patrick show, it surprised me.
34:15, might wanna correct the greenscreen here
i really love the idea of comparing this list to the worst cartoons list! i would’ve liked to have seen each show go against the show of the same placement but the route you decided to go in is also satisfactory, plus i don’t think these lists are THAT ordered. i would love to see more of this kind of thing if you can!
Love the respect for Paradise PD actually attempting to make a series with interesting characters
36:51
Spider-ham: you got a problem with cartoons
Mickey: People love us! Even adults!
Woody: You're saying that like they're bad people!
Bugs: "What's up, doc," is your actress's career if you say something like that again.
Daffy: You're dethpicable!
Velmindy: Uhh, you wouldn't hurt a girl with glasses, would you? I'm also supposed to be based on a beloved cartoon character from the 60s! It's something the target audience least expects!
(Everybody beats up Velmindy)
Porky: Th-th-th-that's why you should never let Mindy Kaling direct another cartoon, folks!
The director of Thunder Cats Roar admitted he hated the original series
Everyone: Scooby Doo was one of the most essential cartoons for anyone's childhood.
*Sees what Mindy did to the IP*
What the fuck.
13:23 Stephan Colbert is a not only a great comedian, but a great man. There was an interview he did with Anderson Cooper about loss and grief. it was really touching.
Uhh.. y'know that Mindy Kailling help to produce Velma right? it's basically her self-insert
I couldn't stop laughing at the Robyn part with the I don't give a quack 😂😂
Me too.
Thelma is what happens when teenage character's try to act out an episode of CSI. The Scooby-Doo series in any of it's incarnations was intended to be fun, the writers of Thelma tried to make it serious. The only thing I saw that might be worse was a Scooby-Doo comic that took place during a Zombie apocalypse.
I feel that Squidward would've been better for having a spin-off show than Patrick.
Agreed
I think Nickelodeon planned on making an adult oriented Squidward show but I think it was cancelled
20:45 just to be completely clear, that second tweet isn't referring to total dramarama, it's referring to the 2023 reboot of the main total drama series (which in fairness would have been an unfair inclusion in the video since it's literally only out in italy and has been since april with no worldwide release date in sight)
"I don't like kid versions of shows"
Damn not even Tiny Toon Adventures or Muppet Babies?
Tiny Toons had the original Looney Toons along with their kid student counterparts 😂
@@MV96_ Eh it still kinda counts.
@@80sDisneyFan It counts less than literal Baby Looney Toons
@@MV96_ Speaking of Baby Looney Tunes that show was ok. Wouldn't recommend it to any hardcore Looney Tunes fans tho.
A Sandy Cheeks spinoff might have been a great idea. Lol! The Thundercats look more like Thunderchimps. Hoops is for the Poops, give me the anime "Slam Dunk" any day. I could imagine Kamp Koral looking better in claymation stop-motion, but the show makes the same mistake of so many junior versions of original Hanna Barbera shows, which are nothing new or original. Santa Inc gives Nightmare Before Christmas a bad name. High Guardian Spice looks like a parody of anime. Velma was most likely trying to copy the animated Harley Quinn series. Knew it was gross from the moment I saw the cockroaches mating.
You absolutely can Mindy Kaling for Velma.
She was an executive producer and developer.
It's abysmal and insulting existence falls at her feet.
Velma is literally a self insert for Mindy Kaling
Not gonna lie, but ever since that Velma cartoon came out, there have been so many memes to demonize that cartoon. Like in so many ways, I’ve literally notice videos where the sheriff runs her over, and every comment is literally saying things like yay that guy is a hero. There’s even like comparisons of Velma and Puss in boots last wish where you see who favors which. You get to see Little Jack Horner, doing his performance, while a Velma poster hangs over him then one one of the audience members shouts, a magic puppet turns over to Pinocchio you see a poster of Puss in boots last wish. To make it even more nuttier they did a SpongeBob talent show meme where Puss in boots comes out on stage everybody cheers and Velma appears on stage everyone doesn’t cheer they stay quiet. Then well yeah it goes to show people rather go watch Puss in boots last wish over Velma. But besides Puss in boots, there’s even a meme where it shows Scooby Doo just calling Velma irredeemable monster. Then it later shows Scooby Doo fans as the cricket saying the same thing, irredeemable monster to Mindy Kaling. I mean yeah the show was so bad that people would rather go watch Puss in boots last wish over Velma. Which really does tell you that was really hated show. Unlike Velma, what really angered fans of Scooby Doo so much was the fact that Velma we’ve always known her to be a caring, kind smart bookworm character yeah, they make this character out as a narcissist couldn’t care what color or sexuality anybody is, but the fact is they just made her more as what villains wiki calls as an obsessed egotist. Although as bad as Velma is, this wasn’t the first time a bunch of characters from an original story that has ever been bastardized. Such as if you’ve seen Ren & Stimpy adult party cartoon yeah 20 years before Velma, John K did a reboot of Ren & Stimpy for adults on Spike TV. It was so bad. They only managed to get three episodes in every other episode never made it. It was released on DVD years later, and only six episodes made it through DVD. Nothing made any sense. It was just not even worth funny to adults. He just look like wow are used to enjoy watch Ren & Stimpy back when I was young but seeing it look like tall garbage like I’m in the mindset of John K’s mental state. Yeah it goes to show. This was a terrible idea. The most disappointing part of it all is history repeating itself not surprisingly it’ll always repeat itself, but HBO didn’t seem to notice that.
I have to be honest, I love Kamp Koral as an adult who grew up with Spongebob lol
It's def nowhere near as good as Spongebob, but be fr nothing is, tho it's goofy and cute
Exactly! It’s not lore friendly sure but that’s ok it’s still cute in a way
“Velma, Season 1. And I can almost guarantee you, there will never be a season 2.”
You poor soul…
Velma was so bad that people got a newfound appreciation for Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!, and maybe Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue, too.
I actually like get a clue. I don’t think it should be considered a Scooby Doo show but it’s entertaining and totally in character. That’s exactly how shaggy and Scooby would act in that bizarre situation. It’s a show about Scooby not a Scooby show. Honestly I kinda want more franchises to have something like that.
Don't forget Scrappy-Doo!
Do not feel bad for mindy kaling, she CREATED the show!
She cast herself the role of Velma, and made it seem like it was such an honour
I feel like Higglytown Heroes did the Matryoshka nesting doll thing better than Fairview. The Fairview characters look more like the politician line for Weebles.
Also, I'm deeply concerned that someone thought that Santa Inc. was supposed to be aimed at children. That's like saying that Family Guy or South Park are aimed at children!
Regarding cartoon spin offs that turns the characters into little kids, I actually quite enjoyed A Pup Named Scooby Doo lol
what's worse about hoops is it sounds like the voice actor for the coach is the same as peter b parker from into the spiderverse, an amazing character in an amazing movie
Great video, I was so sad when I saw the trailer for Velma, as a fan of Scooby Doo, it hurts to see something I ( and so many others) grew up with being changed with such a poorly written spin off , which, I heard a rumor that they'd already made a second season.
29:40 That guys Speaks the gospel. Have those themes in it but not the point of the character. Be they HAPPEN to be gay not they ARE gay
I think the worst part about this is I recognized the voice actor for the coach in Hoops. It is none other than Jake Johnson, the voice of Peter B Parker in the spider verse movies. I swear it amazes me the projects that these actors will accept.
If Velma is a self insert character for Mindy Calling, it would be no surprise if Mindy doesn't have any friends in real life.
The Velma cartoon manages to achieve the impossible: uniting the entire Internet.
Would love to see a best list as well, always fun to check out the good new stuff like the Owl House and Amphibia
And molly magee
Cuphead?
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who enjoyed Paradise PD. I was wondering if it'd end up on this list, since I can absolutely understand people having issues with it. But for me personally, I also found it to be funny, unexpected, and to have a good cast of characters.
I like it too. Besides at the end of the final season it does have emotional moments.
honestly, i don't think the patrick star show is that bad, i have only seen a few episodes but i thought it was alright. it's definitely made for children, but it's silly and fun
I actually enjoyed watching it. I didn't think it was such a bad show either.
The best way to describe Velma is that almost every line of dialogue is insulting some based on their physical appearance, or mindy kayling airing out her grievances about Americas society and the entertainment industry
You should do a list of loved modern cartoons! You do a lot of “most hated” lists.
3:10 OH MY GOD PEARL HAS THE BENJAMIN BUTTON EFFECT
7:10 I have no idea what logic that is