Why Labour’s By-Election Win is a Disaster for Sunak and the SNP
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On Thursday, voters in the Scottish constituency of Rutherglen and Hamilton West went to the polls to elect their new MP in a much-anticipated by-election. with the results being far more of a landslide for Labour than expected. But what does this mean for Sunak and the SNP?
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0:00 - Introduction
1:33 - Context
4:02 - The Results Explained
4:51 - What Do The Results Mean?
7:40 - Sponsored Content
As a Yank who likes to observe UK politics, Labour seems to follow the "don't interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake" strategy. It seems to be working.
It's the same sad state of democracy as the US, UK and US are oligarchies who pay 2 political parties to make it look like a democracy. The reason there isn't a third major political party is because it's a waste of money for corporations to pay for a third, when 2 makes it look like a democracy.
@@joemann2178 There are positives and negatives to having a two-party system it makes the election a lot easier, unlike multi-party democracies where people need to make deals with multiple parties which is quite difficult. The US and the UK are still functioning democracies they aren't perfect(no democracy is) but I rather live there instead of in a despot state. Also, the US always had a 2 party system, yes was there a 3rd party but they've never had a chance because of how small their agenda was
@@yaxsuo two party system is hardly democracy when they are controlled by the same people.
@@joemann2178 They aren't though even though the US had troubles with the elections they're still clean and they have term limits for people so while the parties are mostly going to be Democrats or Republicans the people won't be the same
@@isabelstokes4042 US is run by people who can't even talk properly, and want to jail their opposition. Doesn't seem democratic to me.
The other thing to note here us that the guy who won it for Labour had policies more aligned with the SNP than with Starmer.
Why we need a progressive coalition to defend, not traitorous Labour candidates.
Its also important to note Scottish labour as a whole is not pro-independence, so even if some MPs or policies overlap they are still radically different to the current political establishment in Scotland. Their manifesto makes that clear.
They have made a point of saying they wish to decentralise power in Scotland and empower local communities and promote mutual cooperation between all member nations of the United Kingdom, unlike the SNP who they suggest would rather hoard their wealth instead of cooperating with England, Wales and Northern Ireland to implement policies beneficial to *everyone* nationally.
It does seem somewhat ambitious, but assuming Scottish Labour and English Labour both do well in the next elections that could very well be possible.
@@big_slurp4603
Well discard. Time to defend the SSP!!!
I am a Labour supporter, and I'm delighted with the result. BUT the best thing about this is that the Tories were absolutely FLATTENED - even lost their deposit! Best result ever.
As an Aussie who supports our labor, congrats to you guys. And to hell with the tories!
@@Yeppo_ The fact that they lost their deposit makes it absolutely perfect! Welcome to Scotland!
@@isabelstokes4042 did sturgeon figure out what a woman is yet
If you hate the Tories so much why don't you support a party willing to bring in proportional representation instead of supporting Labour?
@@Yeppo_ this is NOT good, labour winning over the tories is fine (even though theyre just red tories now) but the SNP is the only party that will bring change. The UK needs to collapse.
"You give away tax cuts to The Rich, and gut Social Services to the bone, and what thanks you get for it, you ungrateful reprobates ????"
--Tories 😂
The rich?? meaning Sir Beer korma and Thornberry to??? and we could run through the front bench of the Liebour party, Milibands more millionares!!! Oh those rich Tory boys eh???
What tax cuts are you taking about tax is the highest since the war?
You must be a dyed in the wool leftard because there's just as many millionaires in the Labour party as the Conservatives.
@@tonyfraser1749yes. They mean the rich politicians who make all the laws, whichever party they may be in. At this point Labour is basically just the Tories but hopefully slightly less terrible.
"Liebour", oh because the Tories are known for ALWAYS telling the truth???@@tonyfraser1749
This would not only give a boost to labour in scotland but also it might give them a final hour push in mid beds as the clear choice against tories there.
Yea, massive - Scotland has moved them from 1 LABOUR MP - to 2 LABOUR MPS.
@@casperwallace9685anybody with basic math knows Labour would have 2 seats. What's interesting is the margin.
@@casperwallace9685Even if Labour would have won by 10 as according to polls they still would have won 20 seats next year.
@@casperwallace9685 what a stupid take, not all the seats were up for grabs. You could also say Labour won 100% of the seats in the byelection, you could also say they doubled their number of seats.
I agree you cannot predict an election but its a very interesting indicator.
Personally I hate Starmer and want the SNP to stay dominant in Scotland, mostly to force a coallition. We need to stop one party politics.
@@arpandas2243If they take Scotland they will take the country
Labour in the UK and the Democrats in the US have mastered the strategy of “Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing”
Think this video massively underestimates the Unionist tactile voting. I know a family who live in this seat. A Conservative voting family. They all voted Labour to get rid of SNP. I also know a work colleague who is a Labour member but in a Conservative/SNP seat. He has said they will vote Tory to get rid of their SNP MP at next election. Certainly be interesting to see how that plays out
So even if Tory vote reduces they could still gain seats because of further collapse in SNP vote???
@@arpandas2243Yes. The Tories had 13 seats in Scotland between 2017 and 2019. So if Labour and Lib Dem etc voters decided to vote Tory to oust the SNP, the Tories could gain back those extra 7. Plus a few others where they're the main opposition. I don't see it happening on a wide scale though. The Tories may be even more unpopular right now than the SNP: I don't see a lot of Labour voters currently going Tory just for the sake of unionism.
@@rtozier2011 Oh that's pretty good. Labour sweeping the central belt, Lib Dems sweeping the north while Tories sweeping the south and east. Both Yousef and Sturgeon could then enjoy time on prison.
@@rtozier2011 If the sole objective really is "SNP out", then the best strategy would be for parties to form electoral pacts and only field candidates where they know they can win.
For example don't field Tory candidates in Glasgow. They are never going to win and the would-be Tory vote will happily back Labour (but the vice versa isn't true). In 2017 and 2019 we had situations where both Lab and Con surged and cancelled each other out, letting the mediocre SNP vote sneak up the middle.
Don't field Labour in Fife and Edinburgh West. That is LD country.
And so on. But it won't ever happen.
@@halfbakedproductions7887unfortunately very long standing Labour party rules require them to field a candidate in every seat (not counting NI). It's also forbidden for a labour member to publicly support another party. So they best they can do is field a token candidate and not help them get elected. The local Labour party did this for Caroline Lucas. They campaigned in a neighbouring constituency instead.
I bet who’s really happy about this more than anybody is Gordon Brown, he’s witnessing the comeback of Scottish labour, which is his true Home which must feel good after years of Scottish labor being irrelevant
😆 😆 😆 you think labour losing votes means they are now coming back 😂
@@graemeroberts7367nothing says losing votes like winning with over half the vote in a seat you lost last time
@@bt3743 😆 😂 😂 bless it’s like you don’t realise they lost votes as in they got 2000 voters less than when they lost the seat 😂 😂 😂 😆
Facts aren’t your enemy buddy
@@bt3743 snp voters just didn’t vote because of Ferrier it’s that simple
Until you understand complex issues stay of the internet
As a Canadian I see some parallel between Quebec and Scotland. Even if a lot of Scot’s are sympathetic towards separatism, at a certain point they move on and worry about other issues and vote for other parties
I have always seen parallels Canadian politics and uk politics you have the block of Québec we have the SNP you have the NDP and we have the Liberal Democrat’s I know NDP are kinda socialists but they occupy the same place as the Lib Dem’s in are political and of course you have tories and we have the original tories
@@mrsplashmanjr1285 of course, if countries are people, Britain is daddy and Canada is the kid 😂 (and France is the mom)
It’s funny as snp voters didn’t come out because they were angry with the snp mp who traveled with covid
Labour lost votes here
One major difference with Quebec and Scotland is that each part of Canada is truly equal. Quebec is in an enviable position.
More interesting is the dominance of SNP even in FPTP while splitting the vote with Labour.
Tactical voting should mean Tories will not win a single seat because the anti-Tory vote is splintered. People on the left and centre should put their differences aside and work together to boot the Tories out of office in every constituency.
Where were you a couple of years ago?
I really dont like the tories but I think you're sadly underestimating how many rural and older people still will vote for them
I'm not a fan of the Tories or Labour, but it says something that you need tactical voting in order to disrupt the natural democratic advantage that the Tories have.
It sounds very undemocratic.
The majority Pro Union vote is splintered in Scotland
Tactical voting in Scotland amongst Pro Union voters gets rid of the SNP though.
I know folk who would normally vote Conservative voted Labour in this by election to oust the SNP for that very reason
I agree. We can't suffer any more Tory cruelty in this country.
Good result but not as good as they make out. The turn out was dreadful. Just goes to show how cut off the people feel. Even the Tory voters could not be bothered.
For a by-election, turnout was certainly NOT dreadful. This is very normal turnout for a by-election.
@@joshuaswart8211 By-election or not. If you cant be bothered to vote dont complain about what you get.
I know of a few Tory voters who voted Labour
This is a vote against the SNP
@@TheDarkhorse1947I can absolutely complain under a first past the post system. My vote literally counts for nothing.
@@bmcc901 Tory voters will happily back Labour. Labour voters won't touch the Tories with a barge pole.
There are 59 parliamentary constituencies in Scotland. This is one of them. One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
There will be 56 at the next election. And check some polls.
Especially when labour lost over 1000 votes since 2019
SNP won 48 out of 59 seats. Scotland will have 57 seats going forward due to boundary changes equalizing population. In 2017, SNP got 35 seats. I think they might drop down back to around there.
Listening to this, and the wider media, it does seem that this is being taken a little bit out of context. The really interesting figures are the Scotland wide polling because it seems reasonable to assume that having had a "bad" MP would have damaged their parties local vote.
All we have left is hope.
There is no hope under Anglo-centric unionism. The UK is over.
For an account called TLDR News, these videos are always ironically twice as long as they need to be.
It's been clear since Sturgeon stepped down that Labour can benefit from this. Now that the hopes of independence have pretty much dropped in priority compared to getting the Tories out, this by-election proves this to be true. Of course the expectation of a massive SNP loss likely won't be true at a GE, there will be a noticeable drop in SNP seats nonetheless.
Some of the most accurate and reliable pollsters are putting Labour and the SNP as neck-and-neck with an equal number of seats. One outlier has Labour ahead by maybe 2-3. The other seats will be taken up by LD and the Tories - all are unionists.
I don't think the SNP will even do as well as they did in 2017 and will fall back to their worst footing since 2010.
Just like with the overall national outlook for the conservatives the most that will happen to snp in Scotland is probably losing the majority.
😂 37% turnout with labour losing votes
Doesn’t sound like labour have gained really when snp Voters stayed home 😂 and labour took no votes from them
My seat is SNP held with Cons second. I vote SNP for generals right now as I want Tory out but now I am afraid I might be vote splitting and Cons sneak a win thru. How are we supposed to know? We need PR.
@theuglykwan PR doesn't work just look at Europe bearly any country has a stable government. Hell would literally have to freeze over before Starmer did a deal with the SNP.
"The district of 'carlton'" 😅
I've spoken to a coworker in that constituency. He said turnout would be low since the folks he knows are pissed off with Margaret Ferrier, and at the SNP for not delivering independence so a lot are just not voting in the by-election. What that means for the GE nae scooby. We'll see in the GE but I'd be skeptical of any predictions.
i been saying the same thing i see nationlist switching votes soon to alba
From Blantyre in this constituency from a family of labour voters and personally think from speaking to others that labour are overestimating the size of this win as there is a substantially large protest vote based on my experience from talking through the last few weeks.
Labour lost votes compared to 2019 so telling everyone they’ve done great is laughable
Are TLDR going to talk about the By-Election in my area of Mid-Beds? It seems like Emma from the LibDem's has a real chance to win a Tory stronghold.
I've met Emma and Ed Davey recently in my barbers, met Labours candidate and the Independant.
Tory seem to be hiding after the embaressment of Nadine Dorris. Never met her in all her time as our MP and she didn't even live here! Awful MP.
It would be good if Labour wins.
Lib Dems shouldn't even show their face after what they did between 2010-2015
I'd like to see a coalition between the Lib-dems and labour. Get the fascist tories out for good.
I can’t help but feel this is going to be something like a 30:25:25 split with the tories clinging on. Is there a nimby movement? I know the east west Oxford Cambridge rail line is happening but it seems like the Lib Dems usually need some nimby factor to coalesce around.
@@paulfairbairn1066unfortunately the LibDems think Labour are fascist and I wouldn't be surprised if Labour thinks LibDems are fascist too.
Because we throw the word around like it doesn't mean anything anymore.
An important point that I haven't seen people talk about is the decline in support for the SNP in Scotland ever since 2015 *in consecutive elections* "despite Brexit"
In 2014, I vowed never to vote Labour again. I'm not the only one.
37% turnout for a by election. A seat that changes hands often. Other than winning the seat there's nothing positive about the result for Labour in Scotland
Keep telling yourself that. 58% of the vote and a 20% swing from SNP to labour is huge!
@@monkeynews8311in a 37% election turn out? It’s not the win that you think it is
@@monkeynews8311 I will. And you keep dreaming that labour will do anything in Scotland. Don't offer anything different to the tories. They are just the red version.
@@monkeynews8311 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 you really are hilarious as you understand nothing you talk about
Labour lost votes as we’ve proved already
Why is still nobody talking about the absolute collapse in the turnout? 37%? While it may be a by-election this is still catastrophically low all things considered. So a 31pt swing surely isn't as good on a low turnout especially when the total votes cast for labour is lower than in 2019 (17,000 odd this year compared to 19,000 odd in 2019)
This is what happens when the opposition is gaining momentum based on how bad the current party is doing and not through any merits of their own. If Labour wants a real majority, they need to actually galvanise voters.
@juice6521 this is exactly my point
Turnout for the 3 previous by elections recently were 44-46% so this one is a bit lower, perhaps due to being a poorer area accounts for the difference?
@theuglykwan I don't see how the economic wealth of an area remotely explains a 7%+ drop in turnout compared to those other by-elections
@@HarryAidan1819 It is textbook that areas with higher unemployment tend to have lower turnout.
its not that simple if you look back at the last general election.
The turn out is lower.
votes cast for Labour are less than last time.
By-election results can be different to general elections.
Im not too bothered if they get a lot of seats in Scotland, because If elected, Labour will be a one term government unless they change the voting system straight away. The Tories and their mates in Tufton Street and the media are already gearing up to try and blame them for the appalling mess the Conservatives have got our country into. So a hung parliament with the Lib Dems demanding IMMEDIATE electoral reform would be the best outcome to freeze the Tories out for a generation or more.
If this doesn't get brought up in the election next year I'm moving to Scotland and campaigning for independence.
Labour will probably win two terms
There are already people talking about the 2029 GE being a hung parliament because Labour won't do such a grand job. We'll see.
The Tories will be out of office for over a decade
Before then they'll be too busy enjoying fighting internally
This is exactly what the Republicans do in the U.S. They rob us blind when in power, then lose and blame the Democrats for the mess they made as we work like mad to clean up after them. In the face of MAGA, swing voters are inexplicable.
As a fan of TLDR News it's a bit of a culture shock to here you talking about the small towns I lived in.
Never read too much into a single by-election.
Especially where the incumbent was so disgraced..
The graph of results at the start needed labels. Why were there two bars for each seat? Is the second bar the results from last election?
The SNP are still 10 points ahead in the polls over Labour in contrast to the Tories down south.
37% turnout in a by-election tells you heehaw. What policies were Labour fronting?
that says SNP is shit at campaigning.
Also what were the SNP policies?
Could of held it right after the conferance when they were fresh in set voters minds but noo.
@@davidty2006 Sorry another person not thinking or incapable of thinking. Another Liebour OR SNP MP at Westminster makes no difference to the people of Scotland no matter their policies. Liebour policies NO CHANGE FROM TORY POLICIES, hence the number of vote to LIEBOUR that same as 2019 which they lost.
sure it very low. and we cant take full conclusions from it. however if it a deal that shows the current slump for the SNP. Which I do not see them regaining in time for the GE. Although, i still see the SNP being the largest party in Scotland they will have a result similar to 2017, maybe only managing like 25/20 seats. Labour will likely pick up about 20, which would be a good performance.
Labour can never have power in Scotland again.. and they won't. This is an outlet.. Labour offer nothing to Scots.. they are tory light
They seem to follow the "don't interpret your opponent when they are making a mistake" strategy. It seems to be working.
This is the fastest I have ever been to a video period
The snp coming to an end, labour taking its place. What could go wrong? Would it mean out of the frying pan into the fire? Think Drakeford and Wales and 20 mph everywhere.
Good results for labour, but it was a very low turnout. We'll see what happens in a general election
Labour won't retake Scotland. As a Scot, Labour will ever be trusted and do not have Scotlands interest at heart. This was a reacrion to the previous MP. Labour are as gross as the tories.... rank rotteb
NHS, Built so many hospitals, youth clubs, real apprenticeships. Complete opposite of what the Tories gave us for the last 13 years 😂
And the SNP ranks are just McTories.
The SNP are ran by brown Hitler at the moment. I'd rather vote for literally anyone else in Scotland than for Humza yousaf.
It rather looks as if you are taking one data point, TLDR, and telling me it is a trend.
anyone notice the voice echo'ing in the room a lot or is it just me? sounds like the room is very big to record in or needs more sound proofing
Never voted Labour in my life, but defo will this time to get rid of the Tories 🏴
Maddening, isn't it? I live in the US and spent half of my life voting indie because both our big parties are objectively terrible and I didn't want to be complicit in their activities. But the imbalance between the degree of villainy has gotten so bad I'm forced to give my vote to the Lesser of Two Evils to keep the other side out of power. We're stuck in a disgusting binary system over here and voting has become entirely a matter of who (or what) I'm against rather than anyone I'm actually in favor of.
@@richmcgee434 And who is the lesser of the two evils according to you
@@arpandas2243 Who I vote for is none of your damn business. I loathe both parties, and I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone else how to vote. If you can't look at the situation today and see a clear choice that's your problem. At the very worst you'll cancel out my vote by accident.
@@richmcgee434 I mean it's clear Dems are the better option. Trump's legal troubles and Republican infighting in house are biggest examples. Are all Americans rude and ill mannered like you
That’s interesting, I thought that Scottish people wanted Labour to talk about the SNP North of the border even if the seat is for Westminster?
The turnout at this election was pitiful; about half that of the general election. A huge number of voters seem to be displaying of the choices presented. 'They're all cr@p' and 'it makes no difference' is the overwhelming sentiment.
I don’t think you really touched on the unusual nature of by-elections. The context of why the by-election is being held usually significantly effects the motives of the voters.
I don’t know why I’m here I live in Arizona USA
Sir Kid Starver having a majority will be no different to how it is today. The best thing for everyone would be that the current opposition has a combined majority and they have to work together to form a government. From there we could then talk about electoral reform and PR.
We can only dream! 🙌
I hope that the SNP get themselves sorted, and leave the rotting ghost ship that is Britain/England.
You really think Scotland would be better off economically as a separate country?
The SNP need a good kicking and time in the wilderness before they can "get themselves sorted". Kicked into the sidelines like the Tories in the 2000s would do them the world of good.
@@juice6521 100% yes. Their exports will be their own. Their resources will be their own. Their devolpment and use of green tech will be their own. They'll rejoin the SM and, not have Westminster dipping their greedy, toff fingers into the profits.
Yes, I think they will be much better away from England. Also my wee forecast/dream when Ireland unites, a Celtic market consisting of a United Ireland, Scotland and the Nordic lands. I really don't see why that can't happen.
@@juice6521 lastly, Britain is toxic, outdated, failing and going in a direction that is not compatible with the future. It is a folly. Why would anyone want to remain on a sinking ship?
@@anonitachi7488Mate you are as delusional as those Brexiteers on the far right.
NO BECAUSE. SCOTLAND ARE PISSED OF WITH SNP. SLEAZE AND DISLIKE THE TORIES !
First, love your videos guys!
labour won’t retake scotland. voter turnout was so low and Labour hold the seat for a year. Scotland will never forgive the Red Tories
we'll see
TLDR has made about 20 videos on how labour will destroy the SNP. They really have a bone to pick with them. I don’t think it will work out as they say it will tho
recent times finally give me hope for a labour government - i just pray starmer pulls it off
Starmer will ROB 50% of your house via inheritance tax ( get a brain and keep your house for your children please ) google Labour's policy on iheritance tax
The only thing Starmer can pull off is massive U turns don't kid yourself and WAKE UP.
@@thomasarmstrong1574 I would rather Starmer to Tories. Sorry, that is a fact.
At this point, Tories are not even a competition
You have never needed Scotland's vote for a Labour Government. The reason you don't get Labour Governments is because England won't vote for them. I think since the 70's Scotland's vote has only impacted a Labours chances once.
Poor Ben, powering through that cold for us. Cheers to him!
Find it bizarre that scotland has anything to with its less attractive cousin England
This is the second time in as many days that I hear that losing candidates of that election "lost their deposits". I don't know what that refers to, but I am guessing that British candidates pay some sort of election participation deposit (in money) and, if victorious, are returned that money. Would that be correct?
if they get under a percentage of the vote they lose their deposite, otherwise they get it back win or lose
You’ve got it exactly right. Anyone who wants to stand as a candidate in a UK General Election must give the election authority a £500 deposit to have their name on the ballot. If the candidate gets more than 5% of votes they get that deposit returned to them. Basically it’s a way to prevent people running as joke candidates.
Precisely that - you have to pay £500 to stand as a candidate, and if you get over 5% of the vote you get it back. It's meant to discourage "frivolous" candidates, so for a major party to lose their deposit is quite the symbolic embarrassment.
@@THKSkywalkeryes and no, it's been a Labour/SNP seat since it existed and before when it was a different constituency it was also Labour.
So it's not really that much of a surprise.
@@SaintGerbilUKIt's a surprise that one of the main parties doesn't get 5% in any constituency it runs in.
For example, it was a huge embarrassment for Corbyn's leadership when Labour lost their deposit in the Zac Goldsmith by-election in Richmond Park.
"Disaster" - the SNP *still* lead Labour in every poll for both the Scottish Parliament and the UK parliament. This was one of Labour's strongest constituencies in Scotland.
As an outside observer, it would seem that the Scottish independence issue, while still highly salient to voters, has been pushed to the backburner as more pressing whole-of-UK issues are front and center. This election should not be read as a softening of sentiment in favor of independence, but a recognition among Scottish voters that, right now, there are bigger (or more easily reachable) fish to fry. It also shows a certain level of disgust at how the SNP leadership have conducted themselves in recent months (i.e. the campaign financing scandals). There may be some doubt now that SNP is the party that should lead Scotland to independence. I would guess SNP and Labour win a large share of Scottish votes, and the Conservatives are pushed to the margins. The next UK election will see major losses for the SNP, but it's unclear if Labour will actually be able to displace them as the largest party in Scotland. We'll just have to wait and see.
Hope so
You probably should have mentioned voter turnout was below 40%
Voter turnout is often low for local elections. This isn't especially remarkable.
I feel voter turnout for generals is usually shockingly low too
It was 44-46% for the other 3 recent by elections for comparison.
Seen this too many times somebody says I'll fix it and they end up disappointing let's just see if labor can actually deliver. God bless Scotland and my Scottish Kin. Independent Scotland for all.
Brought.
So what you’re saying is Ferriers Covid test is likely to be the only positive for the SNP in the near future?
Like it. Have a thumb.
The only reason Scotland remained in the UK in 2015 because of the tory lies about staying in the EU.
Only if Scotland had left when they had the chance, by now they could have normal Scottish left-wing, liberal, right-wing parties, etc...
No it'll end up like northern ireland.
@davidty2006 no only possible if England Westminster Parliament holds Scotland Captive.
Present Tory Govt is an English Govt Scotland dont Vote Tory enmass.
@@Dwina5892 Explain how tf the border between england and scotland would work?
Also are you sure that the tories wouldn't fund armed groups to cause havoc around it?
So what you're saying is that Scottish voters are gullible and susceptible to propaganda?
Now, there's a thing.
@@davidty2006 hopefully not but zscotland would move back to EU Partnership they didnot Vote to leave. With that Partnership I would hope sensible heads would prevail (unfortunately that would rule out 80-90% of today's Tory Party)
But no I don't think itvwould come to armed fight UK World Reputation at moment is in the tiolet, it would only do more damage to what is left of the UK
Wait I just learned that a political party in the UK has to place down a deposit to run for a seat? That seems like the most messed up system there possibly could be.
It was only 500 pounds last time I checked.
@@avaevathornton9851 Still, £500 pounds is a significant amount especially for a smaller party or organisation which could be the difference between committing to run in a constituancy and not, silencing the various smaller political parties. The whole UK parlimentary system needs to change away from the one constituency one representative towards something similar to what can be seen in most mainland European countries ensuring a better representation of disenting voices.
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 Europe often uses list system. That encourages corruption and lack of accountability. The Welsh parliament is switching to that. That will be a crapshow. They can stick hyper corrupt MPs at the top of the list which makes it hard to remove them. They deliberately won't open the list up so voters can choose. They floated allowing voters to boost certain characters up the list so they are chosen first but decided against even that.
Multi member districts with ranked voting is the way to go. It is used in scottish local, n irish assembly and local elections. Welsh councils can adopt it too. That allows a local rep, allows you choice between even he same party and if your first choice is defeated your second and third preferences come into play. That way you don't waste your vote. It also encourages MPs to care more about local issues since we can topple them more easily.
@@theuglykwan district voting can be prone to clientelism
@@theuglykwan I am mistaken I ignorantly belived that multi member districts was the way most European countries did it, based on previous news coverage of elections and the fact that the country I live in currently has that system. Although I have to disepoint you on one point about multiparty districts and that is the fact that none of the elected representatives give a shit about local issues... nevertheless it is better than the UK system.
I get this is the UK channel, but 9 out of the last 10 videos have Sunak either in the title or thumbnail. Surely the UK has other politicians?
There is a 'Call an immediate general election' petition on the Government website.
What happened on Thursday night does give me hope that the Tartan Tories are on the way out.
Now you might get red Tories. Starmer is a fan of Tory policies.
No TLDR News, you're misunderstanding something incredibly important. Up in Scotland, the Conservatives and Labour bat for the same team - there is tactical voting going on up here because people want to oust the SNP (this goes back to the unionist and separatist factions).
I've seen so many people from England comment on this byelection and totally misunderstanding the point that both Labour and Tories (as far as Scotland is concerned) largely hold the same policies. It's not like Labour and Conservatives down in England and elsewhere.
Is it a disaster for the SNP? Yes, yes it is. The SNP has ostracised much of its own voter base in recent years, so they will suffer from voter apathy in the coming election, which is why there is an appeal for a tactical vote amongst unionist parties to oust the SNP from Scottish politics (granted this was a byelection for a Westminster slot, but the same will happen in Holyrood elections, too).
Scotland in recent years has been taken over by some very, very, very radical Greens, who really have put forward nothing to do with traditional green policies but rather have hammered in on liberties and freedoms of those of us in Scotland, as well as forced in many laws which were never on any party manifesto.
The Conservatives have a handful of seats they will still win in Scotland, places around the Aberdeen area and such, because Conservative policy brings a lot of wealth to that region. But as for the Central Belt (Glasgow, Edinburgh, etc) then there will be a tactical vote to push all of that back to a unionist party because the majority of people in Scotland want to stop the crusade for independence (which thus far hasn't been possible because votes are split between several parties, as opposed to the SNP consolidating the entire pro-independence vote share).
The greens supposed radicalism is alot better than the cons and labours continued neoliberal austerity, surely the latter is the actually thing to worry about since its just a system that makes the lives of many worse and worse instead of the greens that are just providing somewhat of an alternative.
What freedoms have we lost? driving old cars around Glasgow centre? The greens have been sound, caps on rent increases, cheaper public transport just good shit, hardly radical as well
Greens will be called radical for the most lukewarm things ever
@@bongoblitz6749 we must tremble in fear to scream out COMMIES! And demand their removal whenever parties do policies that are actually good because god forbid improvements.
Which laws were not in the manifestos?
wouldn't hold my breath on that
Labour now has 2 seats. The limp damps have three, the tories six and SNP 43. They tories still have THREE times as many seats and SNP TWENTY TWO times as many. The seat has been abolished and vanishes at the GE.
28 Months of investigation into Nicola and the SNP
00 Charges brought
Black Ops ?
I think it’s obvious here, if you look how much the tories have dropped, they tactically voted for labour to get snp out. Because less SNP seats means tories and red tories can work together to outvote snp.
Otherwise i think the vote would have been closer
No!!!
Why the title change ?
Not the 'win' that some portray it as - a very low turnout for a poll that matters little
There will be a GE soon, and one seat will diminish the majority a tiny iota
Clearly a straw man argument. By election turnout is always low yet they are very indicative of the political environment.
Wasn't the low turnout due somewhat to a requirement of ID being needed to vote and many folk being turned away
@@arpandas2243How are they 'indicative'?
It was less than 40%
So you're saying that all parties stayed at home equally?
That is as believable as a Tory minister
@@FSMDog By elections always have low turnout and they are very indicative of political environment. People were shocked when Tories lost Chesham and Amersham. But it showed the beginning of Tory troubles.
For more context, at no time in the entire history of the Union has the a single vote in Scotland effected the out come of General Election.
For more context, Scottish nationalists are furries who refuse to understand that Scotland is just another part of the UK.
Anyone who thinks this simply doesn’t know, or understand, what they’re taking about… Scottish Labour MPs were essential for Tony Blair’s re-election in 2005. Without it, he wouldn’t have had a majority.
This is completely untrue. A large part of why labour had floundered and the Tories have been unchallenged is because of the SNP succeeding in taking seats formerly held by labour
VERY incorrect! Scotland was incredibly important for Labour to achieve a majority.
Just 10 years ago wouldn't Cameron have had a majority in 2010 if it wasn't for Scotland. Not only that but as the video points out Scotish snp voters were very helpful indirectly encouraging tory support from 2015 onwards.
God it’s weird when you see where you live in a TLDR video
Give Sir Keir Stamner a chance, he will fuck it up.
Apparently there was only a 37% turn out at the Rutherglen byelection, which says a hell of a lot more about the failure called the SNP rather than the Liebour party!! Liebour also won that Yorkshire byelection on a low turnout, which means a hell of a lot of voters stayed at home, which at a general election may well change!!!
I don't think I have ever come across an intelligent person or argument that used terrible pins like Liebor or CONservative in their argument. I assume you must be a CorBINite or a Russle Bland acolyte.
Puns not pins
@@olivergould5428 Funny I didn't use CONservative in my comments, but you did, so are you speaking about yourself?? You obviously do not like the truth, do you wee boy!!!
37% isn't too far below average for a by election
SNP just keeps taking blows. One of the biggest having a racist as their new leader.
Humza isn't a racist bud 😂
@@internetual7350really? Listen to his rants on whites in high positions
Actually no that's the point he's highlighting the privilages that white people get since our society is structurely racist, pointing out racism isnt racism
@@lewisbaitup6352 bruh you believe that bs
@@bloodwargaming3662 yes i do believe this fact, i bet you believe in alot of very Interesting ideas yourself.
does anyone know how much money this deposit is? and is it the same for all constituencies?
It's £500.
Not a big deal in terms of party finances, but it's enough to stop 50-odd independent nutjobs running for a seat.
The fact that the Tories didn't get that back is entirely symbolic.
£500
£500 and yes it's the same for every constituency
This train crash of a government needs to be put in the bin of history asap
hopefully not
"whenever i see your smiling face...."
well, ok i guess you're not really smiling...but that's what imagination is for! 🙂
Look Im gonna say it as an outsider from Canada: Unless you raze parliament and start anew this is your future, endless bickering and no work done!
All while the citizens lose patience and WILL retaliate!
It's like picking between drowning and being thrown to burn to death on lava. Would you rather die slowly and agonisingly drawn out or die quickly in unimaginable pain?
Why am I not more happy about this?
NO
FYI it’s pronounced rutherglin not Ruther glen
We need a Reform UK and Conservative alliance 🇬🇧
Are we Scots to have any say in this protracted battle of chess the unionists in England are playing?
You do...
It comes around once in a while on the form of a piece of paper with "tick the box for your choice"
Be it SNP, labour or conservative.
It would seem that labour have won a small victory however... who ever you do vote for.
The UK has gone from growth to stagnation; and is now in terminal decline. The brand colour of the ruling party doesn't matter anymore.
glass half empty kinda guy
I’m not from the UK so excuse my ignorance but what does “losing your deposit” mean?
You have to pay £500 to run in the election, if you get 5% or more of the vote, you get it back.
For one of the UK main parties, the conservatives, to not even make 5% is very painful for them.
They are third in Scotland I think, behind the SNP and Labour, but they made about 15% of the vote in this area last time, this time they didn't get 4%.
5:04 is this the percentages or the swings?
Orkney and Shetland is about the only safe Lib Dem seat in the UK and it's usually Lib Dems vs Conservatives in places like Aberdeenshire as well. (There are also sests like the Highlands and the Borders)
Interesting.
No they won’t. Only 37% turnout in very heavy rain. SNP will retake the seat next year in the general election.
Unlikely, sure there are a load of reasons for such a low turnout. But those that did not vote doesnt mean there is enough for the SNP to have a majority. I think Labour will hold the seat. The SN|P like the torys deserve to loose seats if the electorate feels that way. They have both show contempt for the electorate and abused their power. the SNP wasted time and money instead of doing there sole job of running Scotland. Their project for independence has major similarities with Brexit. This nations does require massive constitution reform decentralising power away from westmister.
@@lenabo9929 Scotland needs independence not more devolution
@@campbellross6375 na we don't
@@lenabo9929 we definitely do
2:22 why did my country Bangladesh catch random strays 😂 chill
Feel like you're giving Glasgow a bit of a bad rap here, plenty parts where it's not so deprived, pretty high standard of living up here actually in general
That's not Labour in the thumbnail.
Irrelevant to the news, but boy, are you echoing in the outro pitch. I usually don't notice that sort of thing but it sounds like you're recording in a zeppelin hanger.
No mention of the low turnout?
You mean what’s standard and expected for a by-election? People trying to play that up aren’t nearly as informed as they think they are.
As an American, i wonder if Brits are seeing Labour as the best party to carry the torch of Brexit regret (Bregret, Brexgret?)
No
What does it mean for a party to lose their deposit?
Perhaps more could be said about tactical unionist voting with Conservatives lending their vote to Labour to oust the SNP? Most forecasts seem to suggest that the Conservatives are on track to keep most of their Scottish seats so I don't think that we can read this as all bad for Conservatives. Their total is just so low that there must be other factors involved.
Its almost like TLDR have something against the SNP?
they have had bias since they started covering politics, its just been more on the nose nowadays since its the mainstream opinion and they dont have to hide it.
I am...not totally in the know with some of politics there but I see this as a good thing and maybe it bleeds into the rest of the UK(Britain preferably).