This is how religious conversations should be. No screaming, hating, no disrespect towards each other, just giving each other’s points of view and supporting them. I loved it. Very informative too.
My guess is that no one is screaming because who wins the debate has no influence on who dies or has power. Up until fairly recently it very much mattered which side you were on. The old divisions have been replaced by new ones: Christianity versus Islam, woke versus conservative. If you want to have screaming and violence those are the places to look, where who is the winner or the loser will have very concrete effects ion people's lives.
Well said. This was very interesting. How we used to live before all this leftist madness and hate seeped into our world Thank you Candace for bringing this discussion together
@@essentiallife9697 what???? The guy is the one with an attitude. He interjects before she's done on multiple occasions. Has a very sulky frown on the whole time, and just comes off as he thinks he's wasting time and he's right. Snarky shit.
I met Candace when she was out with her husband (and one other person) at a restaurant that I was at the last time I was in Nashville. I tried not to crash their dinner so I approached before their food arrived - I was fan-girling so hard and SO nervous. She was SO NICE and so was her husband! She let me take a selfie with her. She was so down to earth and friendly.
Same here. I worked at DC restaurant that she and later they were visiting daily. They were always nice. I didn't know about her, because I didn't follow politics. Even though that I didn't recognize her she didn't take it for bad. Now I regret that I didn't know about her work earlier. I wish I had a picture with her then😊
If I met her I would probably melt. I just love her, while I don't always agree with her, I still absolutely love her. I live in TN so maybe someday. I am sure I would sound like a babbling moron but still would love to do it ❤
We should just leave people alone with they are out and about, especially when they are having dinner together. Unless they are appearing in a public way to promote something or that variety, they should not be approached, IMO.
Off course you feel good leaving the Catholic because that is exactly the enemies want you to do. Thru out the History of salvation Obedience is the most important. Adam and Eve was disobedience to God and what happened. Catholic you have to obey the church
@@momnguyen7835 The "Church" is the body of Christ (believers)... The assembly of believers and the holy spirit. It is not to obey the catholic church.
Exactly, simply is God omnipotent and omnipresent? yes, So how is it possible that he is not within man? only a separate mind perceives itself without God. We come back to asking Jesus into your heart, He is the Living Word, scripture is not the Living Word, Jesus is and all the scriptures spoken about by the disciples were not referring to the bible - it didn't exist then. Its all about control....A Course in Miracles explains everything so much better.
@@momnguyen7835 I’m still in a church just not catholic anymore. It’s too ritualistic for me. I love my non denominational church. It’s all Bible based. Satan had nothing to do with it. It was me growing and maturing my relationship with God. Catholicism is what my parents picked for me. In my 50’s I decided a different way.
@@johntropp3085great scripture, v8-10 - the messenger (evangel) is to go to people of all nations & tongues; the passage prophesies the consummation of the Great Commission, the great gathering souls to God’s throne!
George is truly brilliant. He needs his own podcast to spread his faith. Love being Catholic and encourage everyone to look into it before judging it based what you heard.
Allie Beth is the typical anti-catholic. The prejudice within Christianity towards one another is what turns so many people off. Who cares how catholics worship versus protestants. We are all children of God.
I am born Catholic and I see a lot of God's love and mercy and grace in the faith. As Catholic we don't force anybody to join the Church it's entirely up to your spiritual openess to finding the truth. be Blessed every one your most welcome to come back to the mother church it's never too late. Well said George Farmer. Sharon from Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬🙏Blessings
I absolutely LOVE how calmly this discussion progresses. This is how real adults should discuss weighty matters. Candace, you married a brilliant, good man. :)
I left Catholic church after high school, eventually 25 years in evangelical church. Learned the bible and then recently came back to the catholic church. Watching George with Matt Fradd was the final tipping point to make me return to catholic church. That, dreams God gave me, research into church history and frankly tired of the big show in the evangelical churches where very little bible is taught any more.
Depends on the evangelical church you go to. Some churches are basically a Christian rock concert with an inspiring speech tacked on. Others are much more modest and focus on sound theology in their worship and solid Biblical teaching. Frankly, I think Catholics place way too much faith in the authority of an institution run by fallible humans. I think the Church can err, therefore I can’t be a Catholic.
Repent & believe the true gospel of Christ. Being a catholic or Protestant who believes in a works based salvation won’t get you to heaven. Repentance is not “asking for forgiveness or turning from sin” it’s goijg from a state of unbelief to belief. Changing your mind on who God is & how to be saved. Ask yourself this do you believe in the true gospel of Christ which is Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Or do you believe in a false gospel where you must “repent/turn away from sin, be baptized, eat the flesh, + believe in Jesus to be saved. If you believe in such you believe in a false gospel unfortunately. Majority of Christian’s do & it is the wide path to destruction that is leading many to hell. To prove the life you live has nothing to do with weather you are saved or not I will use nothing but the Bible. God sees “turning from sin” as works. Jonah 3:10 And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. What is sin? 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the LAW: for sin is the transgression of the law What do you do when you decide to turn from sin? You decide to follow the law. What does the Bible say about following the law to be saved? Roman’s 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall NO FLESH be JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Jesus says in Matthew 7:21 that whoever does the will of the father will enter heaven well what is the will of the father? John 6:40 For my Father’s WILL is that everyone who looks to the Son and BELIEVES in him shall have ETERNAL life, and I will raise them up at the last day. I could literally go on & on about how many verses that says you literally just have to BELIEVE to be saved. Not believe in Jesus+repent or + be baptized or + eat the flesh ect. If you don’t believe in belief only justifies you are not saved because you believe in a works based gospel. Roman’s 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. You must believe in the true gospel for your faith to be counted for righteous. If you believe in a works based gospel you or working for salvation & your faith will not be counted for righteousness. Only the people who believe your are saved by GRACE through FAITH alone are saved majority don’t this is why Jesus called works based salvation the broad path to destruction. Think about it why does it literally make it so easy to where you can literally just believe to be saved? 1st it gives ALL glory to him. I didn’t save myself HE SAVED ME. Titus 3:5-7 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HE SAVED US, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his GRACE, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 2nd if I could do anything to obtain eternal life it would put salvation in my hands & not gods. He destroyed the “wisdom” of the wise & gives nothing but understanding to the prudent. The thief on the cross did nothing but believe & his faith was counted for righteousness. God makes it so easy to obtain eternal life you can literally be on you death bed & be saved. This is the beauty of the true gospel. It’s NOT about the life YOU live it’s about the life Jesus lived for US. He lived the perfect life we couldn’t. Grace is not a licensee to sin like how most false prophets think it is it’s actually what gets us to turn us away from our sin. Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly*, righteously, and godly, in this present world WE SHOULD walk in the spirit. We SHOULD Put on the New Man WE SHOULD Be obedient to God WE SHOULD Put to death the works of the flesh. Will we? Not everyone will. Thank Paul talks about putting on the new man & fighting against the flesh so much. Thank God in our lord & savior Jesus Christ that he lived the perfect life for me that with the mind serve the law of god but with the flesh serve the law of sin. -Roman’s 7:25 Some people will remain babes in Christ never growing spiritually. Some people will grow up spiritually to be soul winners. Both are saved because on judgement day it won’t be about the life they lived but the life Jesus lived for them they will be covered is his righteousness not there own. Repent & believe in the true gospel of Christ.
@@avaglynn1 Mathew 16:18 "And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it."
Yes my friends husband does too, he likes weekly confession so he can have affairs without feeling ‘guilty’ cause he can go to confession.. The Muslims like that they are allowed to lie about ‘ affairs as they are allowed to call the affair a marriage and not tell the wife. It’s all in the rules of the organization. Time to read your Bible well ( which wasn’t allowed by the Catholic Church for years and years ). And there are many types of Catholic Churches too.. And the priests are continuing to sexually abuse children and nuns. Please do not cast stones at the Protestant s. Your sins are many many and many.
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
Candace, I’ve always been a huge fan of yours. As a Catholic, now I’m a huge fan of your husband! He did a great job, and he has inspired me to become stronger in studying more about my faith. I hope he shows up more in Catholic realms to speak. He has a gift! Kudos!
@@andrewamarone9578 When was the last time you read the words of Jesus and praised him the way you praise human beings that tickle your fancy with lies? That guy is brainwashed and doesn't even know it. Your interest should be in the truth, not in becoming a cultic fan of somebody who surely doesn't know what they talking about. His god are the so called catholic church fathers. That's where he gets his authority.
I feel like the Catholic faith is so deep and huge and many parts weren't even discussed. I think maybe it would have been a better conversation in a few years when George was longer in the faith to make better points.
I pray you repent of the false gospel you believe in and come to believe in the true gospel of Christ that you are justified freely by his grace & faith & nothing else. Her husband is a false teacher who preaches a works based salvation who has heard the true gospel of free grace & rejected it. He’s a reprobate damned to hell because he uses god scripture takes it out of context & uses it for his own ways. If you want to actual Godly men take about the true gospel of Christ & stop believing in this Catholic & Calvinist false gospel which is the broad path to destruction then i recommend you watch, Sniffing out pharasies, Onorato Diamanté Cassidy Cambelll Based. God Bless You
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
Keep in mind ,these discussions are not intended to convert either George or Allie. They are not going to be convinced by these arguments. These discussions are for those of us who are watching and are of Good Faith and Good Will, who are keeping our hearts open to reception of the truth.
@@WilliamMcMahan-eb9zc WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??? Book, chapter and verse!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where in the bible is said Mary can hear our prayers? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary went to/will go to heaven? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary is a mediator/imtercessor? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary remained a virgin? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary was sinless? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary is to be worshiped.prayed to? Book, chapter and verse I KNOW absolutely NO Catholic will reply!!! If one does, every answer will be either out of context, or twisted scripture.
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??? Book, chapter and verse!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where in the bible is said Mary can hear our prayers? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary went to/will go to heaven? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary is a mediator/imtercessor? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary remained a virgin? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary was sinless? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary is to be worshiped.prayed to? Book, chapter and verse I KNOW absolutely NO Catholic will reply!!! If one does, every answer will be either out of context, or twisted scripture.
@@mitchellosmer1293im confused especially on the “did Mary go to heaven” question.. she believed in her son and accepted him as God in the flesh. She absolutely went to heaven because she was saved. As we all are when we accept Christ into our life 🩷 I ask my friends and family to pray for me and I pray for those who ask to be prayed for 🙏 the same way I ask Mary to pray for me. I look to her as inspiration on how to act with grace as a woman especially since one day I will become a mother. Jesus is the only one! We all know this :) nobody get to heaven except through him, but having people pray for you is nice is it not?
@@mitchellosmer1293im not sure who says God rests on the first day, weren’t we all taught he rested on the seventh? Lol correct me if im wrong though!
I am a Protestant convert . I can tell you that the True Presence has made the most profound impact in my life . I feel a joy and a peace in my soul that I was always searching for in my life . I will be praying for you during your most important quest for Truth ❤️
Wow, George’s knowledge of the faith and a Catholic Church is amazing! I thoroughly enjoyed hearing every response he had and hope he does more of this!!! Very proud of my catholic faith and we need more people like George speaking out and sharing their knowledge because the catholic faith is so deep and so complex that I think it is hard for a lot of people to understand when studying and reading on your own. Debating like this and sharing in his own words is so helpful in teaching others!
@@amylynnhunt55 There is only room for Cristo, that's the point you guys don't understand... Our Mass is build up on saying important verses about Jesus from the Bible, which help us conncecting to him, that doesn't mean that you should only go to Church.. you should always focus on your personal relationship to him, but as Jesus teached a lot of people at the same time, we are called to learn as a community, with brothers and sisters!!! you can't deny that. if you deny that you deny Jesus own practice. AVE CRISTO REX
Allie has an incredible grip on the Word! I do not understand why Catholics want to hold on to praying through Mary when scripture clearly says there is ONE mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ!!
I don’t just pray through Mary, but in our home, me, my wife and children all together ask St. Joseph, Eve, St. Augustine, St. John Paul II, St. Gianna Molla, St. Patrick, St. Ann, St. Therese of lisieux, and Venerable Fulton Sheen for their intercession. We do that every night after petitioning God directly. Do you have an issue with asking them to pray for us, or just Mary? I ask because the Bible tells us the saints in Heaven are more alive than we are on earth. And if we believe the Bible is true, it stands to reason we should ask others to pray for us. Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? If so, why not ask someone who is alive in Christ, even if the body is dead?
@@derek4412 you explained what I don’t think George could and why Catholics pray to Mary and the saints. I’m curious to know where in the bible it says the saints are more alive in heaven than earth? And then where you deduce that Mary and these saints would hear your intercessory prayers.
@@tessalala272 There are multiple verses when taken together imply the living nature of those who are dead to us, but alive in Christ (Revelation 6:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15; Luke 20:34-38; Matthew 22:32, and many more). My personal favorite is probably Revelation 5:8 where John describes the saints as offering our prayers to God, which implies the saints (some translations call them "God's people") are not only aware of our prayers, but they bring them to God on our behalf (ie the saints can "intercede" for us). My second favorite verse is probably Mark 12:26 where Christ tells us directly the saints are alive, and He is their God. ("I AM the God of Abraham" - not 'was the God of Abraham' implying He is currently the God of someone who is dead to the earth but alive in Heaven). If you want to go deeper I would suggest seeing what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says with regards to 'communion of saints'. You might also be edified by a website called "Catholic Answers" under an article titled "Praying to the saints" as it has a question and answer format that I find easy to read. Pax et Bonum (Peace and Goodness)
@@derek4412You ask a person to pray for you right here on earth, but you cannot ask that same person through prayer. So the same is applied to Saints, once you ask them through prayer, you are literally praying to them which is blasphemy.
A part 3 would be awesome! Candace, I’ll keep your journey in my prayers. As a Catholic revert, (I drifted away for 20 years) I’d love to point you to some great resources, but I’m sure God will do a much better job. “Jesus, I trust in You”
I wish that there had been more attention to the problems of "sola scriptura" and the focus on more literal interpretations when there are so many different translations of the bible. Allie kept on encouraging people to use a specific study bible. There was also little attention to the possibility that the commentary could be coming from "tradition." I was disappointed that Allie's understanding of the Catholic faith is so limited especially when she talked about Catholics and the bible. I am not sure why none of her formerly Catholic friends had no clue that most of the mass is straight scripture. There are 4 readings, (HT, or Acts, Psalm, NT and Gospel at Sunday masses and 3 at daily masses. Most of the prayers come from scripture. The Rosary is scripturally based including the Assumption which comes from Revelation. Also, I wish there were more attention to the issues of salvation and works. I often hear people say that they "used to be Catholic, but now they are "saved." The way that they are "saved" often include saying that they have "accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior." Why isn't the requirement of having to say specific words considered "works."
@@brittanylong3756 skipping tons that happened, after years of ignoring God, I spent a few months feeling pulled back and looking into different religions , not only Christian. One night I felt that the Holy Spirit was inviting me to receive the Eucharist, a word I didn’t even remember. I went to Mass the next Sunday. With the first note of the opening hymn, I knew I was home. From that point on, I totally accepted Church teachings and never looked back.
I spent almost 4 decades in Protestantism, the last 10 years was in Reformed and high church traditions. I’m thankful for evangelicalism introducing me to Christ, I’m thankful for Reformed Presbyterianism for introducing me to sacramental and covenant theology, I’m thankful to Anglicanism for introducing me to the importance of liturgy and church history and I’m thankful for Catholicism for bringing all of these things together in the fullest possible way.
I was raised Catholic. Left my faith for a while. Lived by the world. Never knew any better. Then I started going back to church. I didnt even know about all these denominations. I just went to praise Christ. But the more and more I learn about God and the church it brings me back to Catholicism. People say so many lies about it and its become a crazy stigma even I once indulged in. Truth is, the Catholic Church is amazing when you look into it and study the truth. The Bible isnt a straight forward book. Its like a university class level of teaching. I still visit other churches and it warms my heart to see others praising Christ. But we gotta stop with the hate between Christians ✝️
I was raised nondenominational Protestant, though many of the circles I move in are Baptist. I honestly enjoyed hearing George’s thoughts immensely. I have never heard such explanations of the Catholic faith, and it gave me a deep respect for his beliefs and those of others like Michael Knowles. I think the Church at large needs to have more respect for each other and trust the Holy Spirit to do His work. We get caught up on too much.
It’s a matter of eternal life or eternal death. The Catholic Church teaches a false gospel that leads to eternal separation from God so yes this is serious especially when it comes to list souls.
@@hail2703 You have no write to send any body to hell. I am tired of anti Catholics saying we preach a false gospel. You may learn some day that we had the fullness of truth.
@@Vickie167 I didn't say that...God said in His Word that if anyone teach another gospel, let him be accursed.. pls read that. I am warning you as someone who is concerned for your soul. You only need the Word of God which is the Bible..and it says that if you repent/believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and place your trust in His finished work on the Cross - then you will be saved from hell... Can the Catholic Church make that promise to you? No because they have placed barriers for you to be saved like purgatory, limbo, the sacraments.. when in fact Ephesians 2:8,9 says you are saved by grace and NOT by works...I am for Catholics finding out the truth and being saved by CHRIST.
I love the conversation. I follow Candace and Allie, so I sort of knew what to expect. This is the first time I’m listening to George Farmer speak, he is so knowledgeable and presents his points well. I’m Catholic, there are a lot of things about the church that are misunderstood and misinterpreted.
I think the Mother of God issue is something that Catholics don't interpret properly. George did properly explain where Mary as Mother of God comes from - the point of declaring Mary to be Mother of God was to make a statement about Jesus being God in the flesh. That's all well and good and I think every Christian agrees with that. However, then Catholics take her status as Mother of God to mean she has some special status as an intercessor in heaven, and that was not the point of the council. I'm not a theologian by a long shot, but I think that's not us non-Catholics who are misinterpreting things, I think it's the Catholics who are misinterpreting Mary as Mother of God to mean more than the council meant it to mean.
@@patrickbarnes9874 Thank you for this respectful reasonable explanation of the Protestant position on Mary. Im a Catholic, and I tend to agree with you, tho I see the Catholic rationale also.
@@patrickbarnes9874es I would definitely say as a protestant Mary is the mother of God. The issue I have later seeing this mother son worship as pagans did and Roman Catholics calling her the queen of heaven, which is a common title for the goddesses of the near east such as Isis way before Mary. That's an issue and we have to be careful doing this.
Catholic here too… so many fellow Catholics don’t understand their faith and misrepresent as well. That’s our downfall. I envy Protestants who convert. They understand it so much more.
Farmer doesn’t represent intercession of prayer well. No mention of Elijah and Moses at the transfiguration nor the lifting of prayers by the saints in heaven of revelation.
Yet missed the mark to being a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ. Does he know scripture, The Gospel. She was very graceful in the conversation with the Farmers.
@@Jcircu-djjeix Name me one Protestant who has lived a more Christian life and who would be more of an example to follow than Saint Francis of Assisi or Saint Padre Pio. We can do the same for women. Name me one Protestant woman who has lived a more Christian life than Saint Hildegard of Bingen or Saint Catherine of Siena? It should be easy, though. All you have to do is name one of the founders of the many different strands of Protestantism, and we can compare them with the Catholics I mentioned to see if they measure up... I'll be waiting...
Then how can a person who’s alive be a mediator for you? They are not dead and might not even end up in heaven themselves. They might be a demon on earth your having pray for you and they end up in HE LL themselves once they die. That makes no sense. I’d rather pray for intercession from someone who is already in heaven for a fact. Than a man who’s a sinner.
The wages of sin is death. We are all susceptible to committing sins this means we are dead. The people who have gone before us are more alive than we are because they can no longer commit sins. Blessed Mother Mary is our ultimate intercessor as she is the Mother of God,
You don’t believe in our life after death Jesus came to take the vail away between heaven and earth you can communicate with all of their energies they are part of Gods energy still! We are all so different in our beliefs ❤
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. Revelation 8:3-4
Do you have "Catholic faith" or do you have faith Jesus Christ alone. I'm don't have "Baptist faith" my faith is in Christ plus nothing for my imputed righteousness to save me. (Romans 4:5)
@@pianoplayer2260 Catholic faith is faith in Christ. saying one has “Catholic faith” means they have faith in her teachings. these teachings being centered around Christ, obviously. get out with your nonsense.
@@ryanbasel8670 Not faith in Jesus' work ALONE as the only basis of the sinner's justification before God. Rome adds our works to Jesus' works and the Bible condemns that. Read the book of Galatians.
This has confirmed so much for me. I converted to Catholicism at 17 and then somehow got distracted with life. Been finding my faith again and this has confirmed my catholic beliefs. I tried several Protestant churches before converting to Catholicism but as an adult was wondering if I still felt the same as I did when younger. I hope they do more of these.
You left God for faith in a church? Please help me understand this, I want to. It seems like God is less important than the ... the teachings of The Church. Do you feel or believe (because I think we can all agree that feelings can change often!) that you have a personal relationship with God? Or more that this is a beautiful tradition? Some of my questions stem from my Grandmother's experience in the Catholic church. It was about how she felt inside a beautiful building. But she never had interest in studying the Bible. Do you have Bible Study? Thank you❤
We have to use caution when it comes to our emotions. Satan has access to them so it requires some discernment. There is beauty in our faith. Catholic Churches tend to be beautiful, but not all of them are ornate. Some are simplistic but still hold beauty. The true beauty in the Catholic Church is the real presence of Christ. God inhabited mount sinai and therefore His presence was palpable. This is my experience in the Catholic Faith. Beauty always points to God. Nothing could be beautiful without Him. The beauty of the building and the faith point to God. What we do with that is a measure of our walk in our faith. If we are not transformed by God, then we resist His grace. I can observe and appreciate beauty in nature, but if I fail to glorify God then I am doing God an injustice, who created the beauty. People who don’t fully understand the Catholic Faith tend to get hung up on the externals. These can be both Catholics and non Catholics. The beauty is meant to point us towards God and in doing so we are required to praise Him for the gift of beauty. If we fail to do this then we fail to render justice unto God. The Church is both physical and spiritual. It is a place and it is the body of Christ. We are all part of the body of Christ through our obedience to God. We come to the Church to worship Him. Mass is completely focused on God, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. We participate in unity in this worship. Our sacrifice is that of Christ, the Lamb of God through the Eucharist, as it has been through the inception of Christ’s Church which was fashioned after 2nd temple Judaism. The New Testament heavily teaches the removal of the staff of Aaron through the Levite priesthood and handing it off to Christ whose priesthood is of the order of Melchezadek. In the Old Testaments introduction to Melchezedek there is an offering of bread and whine by Abraham. This foreshadows the Eucharist. And this practice completes the Old Testament scripture as Christ commands us to partake of His Body and Blood. Which many rejected and left Jesus at this teaching. Why would they be so scandalized over something that is only symbolic? As Catholics, we can’t expect to be spoon fed our faith and do nothing in response. We need to understand our faith and study scriptures through the lens of Sacred Tradition. For we are unified by the Tradition unlike the multiplicity churches outside the faith that practice sola scriptura. We look at the purpose of Jesus’s coming as more than just to offer us redemption but also to equip us to maintain it with the creation of His Church. Why would He create a Church that did not carry authority? That would lead to fracturing of the faithful who claim their own authority and essentially become their own popes. But like the relationship we have with Christ, to respond to His calling and be docile to His teachings we have a responsibility to have a close relationship with the Church. To participate. We have not simply the scriptures for discernment, but also the magisterial teachings of the Church. Like parents that provide each other with checks and balances. But we as Catholics should do well to know and understand the faith we hold and Sacred Scripture. 😮💨 that was a mouthful. I hope it did some justice to your question. And I humbly pray I didn’t misrepresent my faith. I am not as learned as George, but I aspire to be. God Bless
As a Catholic who has endured many straw man attacks from Protestant friends and acquaintances, I just want to show appreciation for Allie Stuckley's charitable and reasonable demeanor throughout this whole debate.
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
Can he defend all the pegan symbolism in the Vatican and all the Christian saints that Rome slaughtered under the Roman Catholic Church....other than that.. I luv❤❤ conversing with you
@@phil7177 The Church contains humans. They are sinners. We are all sinners. But Christ said “And the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.” And they haven’t. Not even when people with heresies broke away.
When I was a young girl going to a Catholic grade School, we went to Mass every morning..I was young and knew to be reverent when receiving Holy Communion. It was when I prayed the Rosary (thinking Abt. The life of Jesus) I felt a closeness to MARY And She brought me to Know and LOVE JESUS In a Way I cannot explain. Perhaps that's what a good Mother does..
Amen I was able to leave also. I just couldn't wrap my mind in burning for any amount of time indefinitely until someone prayed me out for my sins. Purgatory is something I don't see how anyone can make peace with. Or that "Hell" is here on earth. Although there is lots of sin and terrible things that are hellish, a new born baby being born is not. He'll can't be where new life is born into. For questioning Catholics read the book of Roman's, John. Then Romans- Philemon. From a King James Bible in comparison to the catholic Bible. And see the truth for yourself. Then to hear from a former priest himself read "50 years in the church of Rome", and "The priest, the woman and the confessional".
@@analeegarcia9388 I was born Catholic, left the faith to the Evangelical church and thankfully found my way back to the Catholic Church after finding huge flaws in their teachings. God gave me a major grace to show me miracles surrounding the sacraments. They’re mindblowingly true. As far as purgatory, we all die very imperfectly and only perfect holiness is allowed in heaven, so purgatory is actually Gods mercy. One example for purgatory is 1 Cor 3:15, where we are saved by fire “If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:15 I learned a lot at the Protestant church and I’m grateful for my time there, but they don’t have the Eucharist, which is something you should pray about and ask the Lord to show you the truth about it. John 6:66 “From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.”… because they couldn’t understand what Jesus meant by eating his flesh. They left him after he multiplied the loaves and fish! And that is what the Protestant church did, sadly.
You were saved when Jesus died on the cross for your sins. You were saved when your original sins were washed away in baptism. But you will know for sure you have been “saved” when you are dead and on your way to heaven. Until then, you could reject God and turn away and lose your “assurance”. But don’t lose hope, God gave us a way to restore our relationship again through repentance. The sacrament of reconciliation is your assurance, given by Jesus, administered by his priests.
Wow I loved to hear Candace’s husband speak. He made very good points from being a Protestant to now being Catholic! We need more of Candace’s Husband ❣️
In my opinion, Farmer’s final point, about the Church Doctors and Church History, inextricably linked to Christ and His apostles, is an absolute dagger. It simply cannot be refuted or argued. “Do be deep in history is to cease being Protestant” ~ Archbishop John Henry Newman
Candice! My sister! You did amazing in marrying this man. I am Catholic. From my experience, there is no greater feeling then kneeling at the alter with the wife God gave me, by my side, and watching her receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus and then receive him myself. I kneel next to her at the pew and feel the oneness between us and Jesus. And for a few moments that oneness feels blissful, peaceful and a happiness that I never thought would be possible to experience. I fall in deep humility knowing I don't deserve it but God gives and desires it.
Very beautiful & touching comment. Indeed, only God can give that kind of peace & deep, lasting joy. It's like a taste of a bit of heaven while here on earth. God bless you & your wife.
Perfectly said. I know exactly how you feel. I would regularly take my beautiful wife and two young daughters to the Traditional Latin Mass. We would do Confession first, to cleanse our souls. Then to kneel at the pew before Mass, preparing my soul to receive my Lord in the holy sacrifice of the Mass. Sitting in the pew during the homily, I would place my hand on my wife’s leg. Looking over, seeing her and our daughters in their pretty Sunday dresses, with their veils covering their hair. Then, as you say, to kneel as a family at the communion rail to receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Our Blessed Lord. There was a feeling I had that’s hard to describe. A feeling of peace and contentment and being so lucky and blessed. Afterwards, we would usually go out for lunch as a family and share that time together as well. Such beautiful memories! I say all that in the past tense because my beautiful, young wife was taken from me. A sudden heart attack, dead instantly. My family suddenly shattered, and nothing will ever be the same again. I’m crying as I write this. These memories I’ve shared in the previous paragraph are beautiful, but almost too much to bear…knowing what I have lost. Wishing so bad I could go back and do it over again. Whoever reads this, please pray for me and my now family of three. We are struggling. I have been asked to carry a cross so heavy that I fear I will be crushed beneath the weight of it. And I have been tasked to learn the true meaning of suffering, at a level I didn’t even know existed. May God bless and keep you.
@@rustyshackleford1303 I am so sorry for your loss. As I read, I instantly remembered what I often tell my wife to remember as our death plan. I am going to share it with you in hopes it helps. I've never shared with with anyone else. I think you can still do it yourself. I ask her to recite it for me so that if I go first, she knows what to do in her sorrow instead of just feeling sorrow. Who ever stays behind must dedicate prayer and sacrifices for the Purgatory sentence the one who died was given for their sins. Never assume someone just went straight to Heaven. Help them get into Heaven. The one in Purgatory must accept the fullness of the just sentence and do not resist the cleaning of the soul. After the one in Purgatory is accepted into heaven, beg God to allow the news to be revealed the one still leaving. In which ever way Jesus believes is best. Then, the one on earth continues to care for their soul and the souls of children and grand children. And the one in heaven continues to intercede for the salvation of the one living so they too may be accepted to Heaven.
He knows a lot about church history and he's a very smart person, that's it. Allie brought God's word and gave succinct and straightforward answers. She gives scriptural backing for belief, he brings history, councils and a high intellect. Proud of her and her resolve to the word of God.
Respectfully disagree here, but please don't take my disagreement as an attack, I do not intend it to be. May I ask exactly what you believe he didn't provide or back up? And what personally makes you believe Allie was correct over him, besides of course if you are protestant and have preconceived biases? (Not saying you do, but its likely if you are protestant then you would obviously think Allie is correct) In what way do you believe George did not provide strong enough reasons for his beliefs?
@@hannybrooke for a non catholic hearing wordy malarky like sacrament veneration etc etc. george also was like I can show in some places where it’s supported and I’m sitting looking at my phone like, okkkkk do it…. Allie even said ok I’d like to see it. Allie also was actually throwing out scripture references so I can go look for the evidence. That holds so much more weight then just trust me bro
In a way, they both back up their claims with what they already believe in. He backs up his claims with church history as well as some scripture. But that’s because he doesn’t believe in scripture alone. Allie backs up her claims with scriptures because she does believe in scripture alone. It’s like a weird paradox. At the end of the day everyone’s going to side with what they already believe in.
Great talk!! I'm a catholic convert from 1990 & attend the TLM mass at an FSSP parish in Omaha & the only comment I can make from this is that; for a person who believes, no explanation is necessary & for one who does not believe, no explanation will suffice!! I stand by this with my whole protestant family!! Jesus founded the Catholic church & it has the WHOLE truth, Jesus said it, I believe it, that settles it!! God Bless You all!!
quote----Jesus founded the Catholic church ... unquote Book, chapter and verses where it is ,mentioned!!!!! -----quote----it has the WHOLE truth, .... unquote Then answer these questions with "THE TRUTH":!!! WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special??? WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??? Book, chapter and verse!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where in the bible is said Mary can hear our prayers? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary went to/will go to heaven? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary is a mediator/imtercessor? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary remained a virgin? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary was sinless? Book, chapter and verse Where in the bible is said Mary is to be worshiped.prayed to? Book, chapter and verse I KNOW absolutely NO Catholic will reply!!! If one does, every answer will be either out of context, or twisted scripture.
Hi Candace. I enjoyed this debate. I think you should bring different guests to debate with your husband. Your husband being a theologian, that will give him chance to share his knowledge with many people. Thanks for this very informative debate.
Yes, but please also bring in an Orthodox Christian to the discussion. The Orthodox tradition traces its roots to the early Church and the Orthodox perspective would shed light on these two Western Christian (Roman Catholic and Protestant) perspectives.
@@AgapeCircle-j3w I was thinking the same thing too since in the USA, no one really considers Orthodoxy. Christianity in the USA is always between Protestant and Catholicism and even during the video I was like "what about Orthodoxy?" lol. Many Protestant Americans would think Orthodoxy and Catholicism are somewhat similar.
This was so insightful. Thank you all. I’m an adult convert to The Catholic Church from the Baptist church. The Catholic Church is so complete & rich. I cherish it.❤
Funny because i can prove so easily that catholicism is satanism have fun being in the most corrupt church thats molested over 330,000 children who do everything opposite of Jesus and Vatican means worship of the serpent have fun in your satanic cult
@@duckymomo7935 Name me one Protestant who has lived a more Christian life and who would be more of an example to follow than Saint Francis of Assisi or Saint Padre Pio. I'll be waiting...
It was mentioned that asking Mary to pray for us has no impact. I just want to remind everyone that the first miracle that Jesus performed was because his mother asked him to. At the wedding they ran out of wine. Mary intervened and asked her son Jesus to perform this miracle to make the wine that she knew he could perform. Mary has a special place in Jesus's heart.
She was ALIVE when she asked... Matthew 12:48-50 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
I can relate so much with Cadence. I marry a catholic man and for a long time I tried to reason with him about religion, even though I was sure that if we had children, our child should be baptized because it was important for him. I'm happy you are so open to it because like it was for me, you have the chance through your husband to really KNOW the catholic faith. After 29 years of being protestant, I'm now catholic. My conversion became possible because I was open to know, to study about it and in doing it I finally understood that religion have nothing to do with a feeling, like Luthero made it seems. Through the whole discussion, Allie measured the authority of the Pope and our priests by her standards, by herself. But they aren't just anyone, they dedicate their whole lives to Jesus, they are in State of Grace, we most of the time don't. She doesn't believe for a second that our priests have the clarity of the Holly Spirit. I can see now how presumptuous the protestant views are. "Salvation is mine to take", "No human can have more authority about my actions than me", "Mary was just a woman"... They can't fathom someone on this earth more deserving than themselves. I'm from Brazil and we have a famous priest named Father Paulo Ricardo that described perfectly what Luthero and Calvin did... he said that "Luthero should have throwed away the bath water, but he threw the baby instead". There is no right way out of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and that is made clear when nowadays we have pastors supporting abortion and same sex marriage. I hope you find your way home, Cadence. May God lead your way to Him. God bless you!
I would say that instead “salvation is mine to take” we think “salvation is given to us through Jesus sacrifice -him paying for our sins” and not “no one has authority but me” and change that to “no one has the authority but Jesus”
@@brittanylong3756 I understand what you say, but for me it is just a flourish way to say exactly the same thing. We both agree that Jesus freed us from our original sins, but we believe we have to earn it through our actions on this earth. We can and will lose it if we do not learn to walk like Jesus walked. And “no one has the authority but Jesus” we also agreed, but after Jesus resurrection, He told the apostles "As the Father has sent me, I am sending you. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” So with that, He gave authority to men to forgive and lead the church. For that, we do believe that on this earth we have men with more authority than others to forgive sins and therefore, help you receive salvation.
@@brittanylong3756 I appreciate the clarification here. Both of the opposing views in the video were explained with such clarity and calmness. It’s strange to see some people in the comments not exhibit this. Thanks for doing so.
Allie was not measuring it by “herself”, by her own feelings. She was measuring by the Holy Scripture! The Bible! Nobody, not the pope, not the priests, not the nuns, no one is more ‘Holy’ than anyone else. We r all equal in the eyes of the Lord. In fact, only in my opinion, if u pray through or to or whatever it is Catholics do that sounds like idolatry to me.
Bravo!!! Part 1 and 2 was amazing. Incredible discussion and thought provoking. As a proud Catholic it made my heart swell to see how George defender our faith with such humility, intelligence, poise and love. Allie was also amazing and I give her much respect for her beautiful demeanor. In the end we all love God and asked to love they neighbor. This was such a great example of that with absolute no judgment again bravo! Such light 🕯️
I grew up in the Protestant movement, the Holy Spirit gave me the strongest urging I’ve ever had to go to the Catholic Church. And I’m so thankful I did. They literally crafted the Bible that Protestants argue sola scriptura of. They retained the 7 books that the new age movement removed in the 16th century on the whim of men. And the Protestants still adhere to the creeds of the Catholic Church.
That should be a red flag. From a Protestant perspective, Jesus has done more for humanity than any other pastor, preacher, or Sunday school teacher. Always was and always will be the case. True Christians don’t have their sights set on tradition, man’s praises, or some animals being more equal than others. When God uses someone like Mary, it is a humbling story for her and for us, not a gateway to get preferential access to the big guy. To God be all the glory. Less of me and more of Him in my life.
@@puresynergyflo That goes without saying that Christ has done more for humanity than anyone. Why do you pit Christ against holy priests and bishops that have done so much for the Church? These holy pastors and people don't do it by themselves but by the grace of Christ. That would be like saying "why follow Dr. Superhealthy Person to get eating habits under control when you could just follow Christ?" Why do you assume that following the example of a healthy human person means one doesn't follow the God-man Christ Jesus? You create a rift where none exists!
I absolutely loved this debate! George explained our faith so well! All I kept thinking was, do not be afraid to call Mary the Mother of God, if you believe that Jesus is God. If Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.
That little extension of mother of Jesus therefor mother of God makes it heresy. Jesus on earth had a human mother. God is yahweh, Jehovah, the creator of all seen and unseen. He is not a created being. A woman did not give birth to the living God. I see what you are doing but the statement is wrong. You have to acknowledge there is a difference and it's major.
Mary was blessed, but a still a sinner like all of us, and in that way no different from the rest of us. Christ is the only human never to have sinned.
Candace - please read Brant Pitre's book "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: unveiling the Mother of the Messiah". The book will likely answer many of your questions about Catholic theology on Mary. It's an incredible book!
First of all: im rly happy, that you guys were able to have a polite conversation that sets a benchmark for what a debate should look like. Ofc in this talk there is a big lack on important arguments, for example scriptural passages regarding intercession, regarding the question "are the saints dead?" and so on, but i think this was a good start for Christians who are trying to look into traidional Christianity. After 15 years of Evangelicalism and the last 6 years being active in preaching ministry, i went back to the Holy Catholic Church and im so happy about it! The Church History and questions around Baptism, Authority, Eucharist and so on led me (and atm many others) back to the Catholic Church. I think God is moving big time at the moment, leading back many of us, including Candace! Congratulations and God bless!
As a former Methodist now Catholic attending the Latin mass, I really appreciate the journey that you're going through. Sola scriptura ironically isn't mentioned anywhere in scripture; sola fida is directly contravened by James 2:24. Ultimately, I was convinced by the scriptural basis of Christ's flesh (real food) and blood (real drink) in the Eucharist. God gave me the same choice that the disciples had to make -- believe or walk away. I decided to believe and it was like scales fell from my eyes. If the protestants got that core truth wrong, what else did they get wrong? I can't say that it's always been easy or quick. But the effort has been the most worthwhile thing that I've done with my life. You'll be in my prayers.
This is very close to my own story. I would add two things. 1. Scripture does expressly refute Scripture alone when it says that the Church (as opposed to Scripture) is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). 2. What does St. John say of those disciples who rejected Our Lord's teaching on the Real Presence? He says: "After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer walked with Him" (John 6:66). To reject the Real Presence is to reject Christ.
You need to read ALL of John's Gospel chapter 6 and in the context of the rest of the New Testament, not just take the word of others (who have an agenda) for it. For example, in verse 33, it says clear as day what the bread is: HIM! He is the daily spiritual "food" you need as much as you need physical food (even more so). Just like he quotes Deuteronomy in Matthew 4 when he tells Satan "man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God". He's talking about SPIRITUAL SUSTENANCE, just as he is when he calls himself "the true vine" and believers "branches" in John 15. "I am the bread of life" verse 48. "I am that living bread" verse 51. Just as when he says he is the "door" or the "way", he's talking figuratively and SPIRITUALLY, not physically. "It is the SPIRIT that gives life. The flesh is useless" verse 63. And you shouldn't need "Jesus in a wafer" every week if he LIVES INSIDE YOU SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING: see 2 Corinthians 13:5!
The first thing I said to myself when watching this was how refreshing it is to see two people calmly discussing huge topics. Mutual respect, love and Fun. George is so credible because he's a convert and very knowledgeable. I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. (John 17:21)
I was a cradle catholic from Indian catholic church founded by Thomas the Apostle. After immigrating to US I abandoned Catholic Church after listening to the TV preachers here. Many years after that my eyes were opened about the true faith and authenticity of the Catholic Church when I had an opportunity to visit an Iraqi Catholic Church in the US whi called themselves St. Thomas Christians because their church was founded by Thomas the Apostle . The part that was incredible to me was that their Catholic Mass and liturgy were exactly the same as my Indian Catholic Church founded by Thomas the Apostle in AD 52.
I know @Candaceowens most likely will NOT see this comment but I truly enjoyed this discussion. I don't believe in Catholism, their saints or the Pope and this just more so confirms my path is right for me, but everyone is free to choose. I'm a NON-Denomational Christian and my beliefs are more in line with Allie. She asked questions I've very much wondered myself!! So thank you for that. Prayers go directly to God/Jesus and NOT through Saints, and Mary is just Jesus' mum. Such a great conversation tho.
@ taylerknight3595 if you say that after this conversation you are still sure that protestant heresy is the right path, that means you are as blind as a mole and you deprive yourself from salvation. But as you said- you chose it yourself. So sad.
@@C.Rankin If you prefer to place your faith partly in saints and partly in God/Yeshua, that's up to you. Jesus/Yeshua is THE WAY, and we have to place our faith in Him alone. The bottom line is, we all have our Faith in the Saviour, and keep an intimate relationship with Him in order for Him to keep working the Will of God through us throughout our life journey.
@@monikam-ska3715 The bottom line is, we all have our Faith in the Saviour, and keep an intimate relationship with Him in order for Him to keep working the Will of God through us throughout our life journey. To think of yourself more highly than you ought isn't the Spirit of Christ. If you prefer to place your faith partly in saints and partly in God/Yeshua, that's up to you. Jesus/Yeshua is THE WAY, and we have to place our faith in Him alone.
I'm not Catholic (I'm very religions) and I'm not protestant. But I think if you're looking at it objectively without the spirit, the guy gave the better argument. I don't have a dog in this fight so just say, as you may be biased :)
@Gabby Chalmers - Allie is just incredible. I'm so grateful for how the Holy Spirit is using my sister in Christ to inspire and bring the Bible to the masses!!! ❤😊
@@clearstonewindows It’s probably more helpful to listen to Allie on her own channel. She’s very good. She is a Calvinist, which I am not, however she’s still very good at apologetics. I’m not sure she’s the best person to debate George though.
@@cjchep6555 I've listened to Alle on her own channel and she does a good job on some things. I'm just saying if I were to be unbiased, I would say she did not persuade me to Calvinism (note I think that Calvinism lacks solutions and I think the pope and many of the people around him are very average or in some cases evil people) I don't have a dog in this fight as I think they are both wrong. I"m just saying if I was in the shows of making a choice like candice I would have gone with her husband.
@@clearstonewindows I understand. I’m not Calvinist either. But I do like Allie. I couldn’t be persuaded by George though. There’s too many issues with Catholicism for me.
This conversation has been thought provoking. First time hearing a Catholic thoughtfully express reasons for beliefs. Absolute respect and much food for thought.
George had a lot of errors and historical misrepresentations. For example, try purchasing two books by the same name, "Baptism in the Early Church" which refute his claims about the father's and baptisms.
Great discussion. I got saved and immediately became Protestant, after a year (recently) started looking into catholicism and became convinced. This just deepened my catholic faith even more!
@@duckymomo7935 exactly. ... BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT CATHOLICS ARE LOST IT IS NOT BASED ON THE CROSS But another Christ and Mary..... THE ROSARY IS TALKING ABOUT MARY her name is said over amd and over MARY
@@goldenarrow3 Plain ignorance or misinformation (ie Roman Catholicism); Rosary beads are part of pagan practices. The Buddhists use an equivalent. They are YET another Pagan practice adopted by Romanism. I am an ex-catholic and YES, the Rosary is 90% "Mary-prayers", so Rochelle Perry is absolutely RIGHT. There are absolutely NO rosaries in Scripture. Please "Research it more carefully & quit judging people by assuming stuff"
Great conversations between both. As a cradle Catholic I ventured out to Protestant churches seeking answers and truth because I thought the only way to truly know was to explore outside of my own church. About five years later I returned home to the Catholic Church and decided to fully confirm in 2022. I’m so thankful to God for answering all my questions in a way that led me back to the full truth.
I was baptized and raised Catholic. As a teenager after confirmation I kind of drifted away from the church. As an adult now I completely want to return to Catholicism. I am a strong believer in the faith and I have always through my life prayed and said the rosary. I really loved this conversation.
@Familytoyreview426, keep praying the Rosary! Mama Mary will always bring us closer to Jesus. Your praying the Rosary is a testament of your staying on inside the Catholic Faith. Non-Catholics really have a hard time understanding our love and veneration towards Our Lady, the Mother of God! They are truly missing out on the graces that come thru the love and prayers of Our Lady and all the Saints and Angels in Paradise, for that matter. Jesus made a point of how important our spiritual Mother is for and to us…just before His last breath on the Cross. He asks us, thru the representation of St John, to take Her into our homes and into our hearts. And, for those who are concerned about loving the Virgin Mary more than Jesus, hear ye, hear ye…nobody, NOBODY can love the Virgin Mary more than Jesus Himself! Take care all. God bless you, God bless us, America and the whole world🙏🙏🙏
Wow, this was great to listen to! I'm a Catholic from the start, I never felt the need to explore anything else, even though I did have my times further away from God. For me truth is one and most of things I heard here were obvious, but I loved the way George explained it theologically - so refreshing! Candace, you're a super lucky woman you have by your side a man of such true devotion to our heavenly Father, only a man like this will be best possible husband and father. And I'll pray for Your conversion, because God put George on Your path for a reason - open your heart to understand The Truth you seek so deeply... Love your work and wish you all the best from Poland 😊
@@deadandgone70 because the only True Church started by God Himself is a Catholic Church and only in Christ and through the work of His Mother in Church we are saved.
I have to say Protestant church brought me to the Catholic church. Protestants explained many things in a simple way but there was always something missing, when I started reading more I got redirected to Catholic teachings, and ultimately I found the truth that does not change over time in Catholic church. I LOVE this conversation it is so much needed in today’s world to learn how to talk to each other with RESPECT even if your views are different!
This was exactly how I felt! My husband wanted to convert. I was open but had so many misconceptions. After reading and studying and going threw RCIA i found my truth. ✝️
I too am grateful to the protestant evangelicals for bringing me to Christ. The few of them who hate Catholicism, while being ignorant of history and theology, have always saddened me.
This was great! I became Catholic about 2 years ago. I struggled with many of the same questions. With deeper understanding of the Faith, I’ve come to understand things I was blind to before. Jesus used his last words to give us his Mother while he was on the cross. He said to Mary, woman behold your son, in reference to John, and here is your Mother to John. When you seek Jesus she will always be there. If you get lost from him, she will lead the way. Just as any mother would. There’s no rule to venerate Mary, but she was given to us as Our Lady as she is the perfection of Eve. She spoke the loudest yes to God that rings throughout all of history. She deserves her flowers, or better yet, her roses.🌹There is also a phenomenon known as spiritual baptism recognized by the Catholic Church. My priest describes it like trying to find a light switch in a dark room. Baptism by the Church (water) helps light the way. God bless ❤
@@itsspiritual8645 The woman in the book of the Apoc. (Revelation) is the Blessed Mother Mary. From the beginning she has been honored. Are you going to ignore all of Church history? Ad Jesum Per Mariam - This is Latin for, "to Jesus through Mary". I believe this statement is from the 2nd century. " Woman and the Dragon. 1 * A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman* (Mother Mary) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.a 2 She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.* 3 Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon,* with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.b 4 Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.* Her child was caught up to God and his throne."
@@michellemailloux2483 yes! Revelations ends what was started in the Garden of Eden. Gen. 3 “I will put enmity between you and the woman.” He said this to Satan about Eve.
Allie is so passionate about her faith and it is refreshing to see someone with so much zeal. However, the longer I listen to Protestant/Catholic debates, Catholicism comes across, as George put it, as "the fullness of truth." I commend everyone involved for discussing this with love, compassion, civility, and decorum.
Exactly. Protestants have half the truth and back in the day separated from the church out of convenience. Jesus is merciful, though. We pray for all humankind to convert to His grace and repent from sins. Protestants don't talk much about sins and reparation, but we catholics do and pray for all ❤❤
I greatly respect both Allie and George, but dialogues like this have the opposite affect on me. The more I hear the Catholic viewpoint, the less compelling I find it.
@@benwolk2028 For me, the more I hear about Sola Scriptura, the less it makes sense. I mean, in order for Sola Scriptura to be true, there would need to be an intra-scriptural reference as to what books should constitue the canon of scripture. Since there isn't, that means Protestantism is going outside of Sola Scriptura in order to prove the absolute authority of Sola Scriptura. It seems illogical unless I'm missing something.
As a cradle Catholic, I loved this! George is so knowledgeable and was great in this debate! I pictured a mic drop when he said the Catholic Faith is "the fullness of truth"! He said so many important aspects of our faith!
This is not a mic drop moment, and that quoted statement is presumptuous. This is not a competition. Its not the catholic truth or the protestant truth. What believers want to understand is THE TRUTH!!! Not the glorying in mannade wisdom as if our thoughts are higher than the Creator. When God was divulging his plan for salvation, their was not one Catholic or protestant in sight. It came to the Hebrew (Jews) first... His plans were laid from the foundation. Where was any of you? The same question he asked Job. We can have our dialogues and discussions but lets not think their's any single institution that has sole authority on the scriptures. Not surprising Greco-Roman hubris...
@@neveralone7212 Unfortunately the differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't as well known or fleshed out in the west since protestantism is a much more prevalant denominiation in the U.S.
Yikes! So, you have decided to leave the one true church for a fake one. I used to be Protestant and boy was it a waste of time. I was Protestant for 23 years. Now that I returned to Catholicism, I find that my faith has grown by leaps and bounds. Question: according to the Protestant faith how does one put on the full armor of God? As a Protestant I could never figure that out. Now as a Catholic I just pray the Rosery. Catholics believe that the Eucharist turns into the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It's backed up by John 6. It actually says that we must eat Jesus's body and blood. Protestants pretend that it's symbolic. No scripture backs this up though. The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Queen of Heaven. This belief is backed by Revelation 12. Protestants pretend that she isn't because they hate who the Blessed Virgin actually is.
@@rangers94ism I am currently researching Revelation chapter by chapter and nowhere thus far does it state Mary is queen of anything. In Chapter 1&2 it states that Christ will give every follower a crown once they enter the gates of heaven. So every saint be they Paul, or David, Moses, will have a crown of glory on their head. Do you have any other evidence please because what you have presented is weak at best.
What if GOD told u, u are being DECEIVED? Would u leave your Catholic Faith? GOD is great. When are all the priests going to repent and serve the time for all the abuse they caused?
ONE man abandoned his vocation as a Catholic Monk - Removed 7 books from the One True Bible - Broke his vows of chastity and got married - and began a new church a denomination from the Catholic Faith and all other denominations have followed in his original path each claiming they are the one to follow the one with the truth but the Catholic Faith is the only one that has remained the same following the same doctrine and precepts values and morals as from the beginning when she was instituted by Christ through the Apostles.
Have you read the book of Acts of the Apostles in the Bible? The catholic church doesn't look anything like the book of Acts. So clearly the doctrines of the catholic church is not what Jesus and His apostles taught.
@@tonyabrown7796 exactly. It's written in the Bible that the apostles had wives. Paul was an exception. But there's nothing wrong with being a church leader and being married.
@@deursi Have you read Revelation? It is the Celebration we have every day and Sundays called the Mass. In many ways we do resemble ACTS your probably not aware it was the Church that began schools, hospitals, charities and it is the church which maintains these institutions more than any other group/church etc... We don't do everything the same identical way but share our faith, our funds, worship together, devote lives to prayer etc
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
Man this was sooo good!!! I think you could have a couple more episodes! Thank you to all involved in this! For the record I was born 3rd gen Catholic, left as a young adult. I was protestant 40 years in different denominations. I have always felt something was missing and had almost exactly the same questions and problems with the Protestant church as George had. And after much prayer and seeking the Lord for the last couple of years, I truly feel God is calling me home to the Catholic Church. So I’m heading back to the Church I was baptized in as an Infant…
I ALWAYS FELT THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING, CATHOLICS ARE BORED WITH THE BEAUTY AND SIMPLICITY OF JESUS CHRIST, THEY HAVE TO ADD ALL THE GARBAGE GEORGE IN RANTING ABOUT, NOTICE ALL THE BIG UNINPORTANT WORDS HE USES, HE MADE HIMSELF THE ATHORTHORTY NOT GOD, THST WHAT CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES, JESUS CHRIST IN NOT ENOUGH, you have to pray to DEAD PEOPLE, MARY, ST WHAT EVER, THEY ARE DEAD, BIBLE SAYS THERE NO KNOWLEDGE IN THE GRAVE
Scott and Kimberly Hahn, former Protestants, faced these considerations. They met while studying at a Protestant seminary, married and he became a pastor. Eventually his conversion to the Roman Catholic faith prompted him to leave his position as a pastor. His wife’s journey took much more time. The subject of the Virgin Mary was for both like you Candace a difficulty. Both have written books and are very articulate and engaging in their journey home as they called it. Scott Hahn teaches at Steubenville University. I encourage you and thank you for this inspiration of faith. Would so love more of this. Sorely needed today. Thank you!
I thought of the Hahns as well! I would absolutely love to now see a discussion between Steve Ray and Allie Beth. Steve was a Southern Baptist and Catholic hater and is now a very devout Catholic apologetic.
Saw Scott Hahn in ‘95 or ‘96 when I came back into the Church, I couldn’t believe the profound theology. Blows any other religion away, especially using scripture, ancient Hebrew tradition to understand the scriptures, Salvation history from Creation, prefigurement in OT to NT, such as the manna and the Eucharist. Read Scott Hahn’s Home Sweet Home, The Lamb’s Supper, The Fourth Cup; and Brant Pitre who wrote The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist- AMAZINGLY described, referenced, scriptural, etc.! Also, The Case for Jesus, The Jewish Roots of Mary, etc.
The Gospel isn't that complicated...we don't need other books.. we have the completed Word of God the Bible...the Gospel should be so simple that a child could understand it, that we are saved by grace alone, through Christ alone - Ephesians 2:8,9... we don't need any mediators or religions - we have the Lord Jesus interceding for us...no religion, no pope, no traditions needed...Just our Savior who is the Living Word of God, and the Word of God, the Bible.
Allie, re: talking about praying “to dead people”. When we die, we are “dead” to the created world, not the spiritual world. Those in Heaven are more alive than we are alive on earth! Unfortunately, those in Hell are just as alive for infernal eternity. The saints in Heaven are with the Holy Trinity, the pinnacle of our journey from this life to the next! We KNOW MARY is in Heaven; therefore, we can speak to her in prayer for intercession. The Queen Mother of the King who speaks to her son the King on behalf of His faithful servants. Just has been the case historically through time. The Queen would be given the keys to the Kingdom and make decisions if the King was away. She was the go-between the King and the people. Mary fulfilled that role at Cana when Jesus told her it wasn’t His time to perform miracles, but because His Mother asked, He was obedient to her, as He was perfectly obedient to Joseph and Mary growing up or He would break His own Commandments! He also gave her over to Saint John as his Mother; not only to look after her, but, Jesus always meant what He said with profundity. He is vertical, not horizontal like we tend to think. Jesus gives us everything we need. He gives us His Word, He left us the Sacraments: Baptism for the “removal of the guilt of both Original Sin (the sin imparted to all mankind by the Fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden) and personal sin (the sins that we have committed ourselves).” Confession for the cleansing of the stains of sin on our souls after Baptism; Holy Eucharist to experience unity with Christ through Him as food for our souls. Confirmation to renew our Baptism at age of reason and commitment to Him and His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. Marriage a sacred vocation between a man & woman and open to life a raising children of God. Holy Orders to continue the priesthood from Melchizedek through the Apostles and to the end of ages, leading the flock home to the real Shepherd. Viaticum/Extreme Unction to give peace to the dying, their farewell through the priest by prayers, anointing, last confession if possible (coherent) and to receive Jesus’ Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity by the manna/unleavened consecrated bread by the priest (as in the OT) real and spiritual food for the last, impending, journey home. God established order through Creation in all things. God is very specific and detailed throughout scripture: Who, how, what, when, where-the tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant, Noah’s Ark, the Serpent staff in the desert, Joshua and Jericho, the Passover, plague of Death and flee from Pharaoh, the manna and quail, etc., etc. Just saying-the seven books taken away from the original compilation of the Bible was so they could rid the books that held beliefs they wanted to change by their schism from the one true church into heresy as was brought up in the debate about praying for and to the dead, purgatory, etc. When He gave specific instructions on the Bread of the Presence/ showbread in OT of the priestly order and in John 6. The Catholic faith is so rich, so deep, so profound. Unfortunately, the Church was highjacked by the Modernists (since the Enlightenment), freemasonry (after the French Revolution), communists around late1800s, but more so 1930s onward introducing Marxism/ Social justice movement(Bella Dodd), and satanic infiltration (since Judas, but mainly late 50s early 60s where some satanists were elevated into leadership, unbeknownst for the most part, or, maybe at the least??🤷🏻♀️. This made me want to defend our Church and try to educate others also to see why our Church is actually suffering with ineffective or apostate clergy to the top. Praying if not sooner, or by the end of their time on earth, they will see their errors and see the true goodness of our Lord, repent and be saved from the fires of Hell. The French Revolution was to take the Cath Church down by war, that didn’t work, so they decided to infiltrate with propaganda in their sworn document known as the Alta Vendita. Look it up. Enough. I could go on and on. Going to bed. God bless+
Growing up in the UK in an extremely devout Roman Catholic family, my spiritual journey is the opposite to George’s. It was a wonderful, liberating realisation to discover my salvation is not dependent on my works - ie my good works hopefully out-weighing my sins on the heavenly weighing scales. But rather, I am saved through grace ALONE, as Allie so well articulates. Isaiah 64:6 states “all our righteous deeds are like filthy rags”! If this is true, what hope is there for anyone? Thankfully through Christ bearing our sins on the cross, our sin (which we commit every day!) are taken care of. Presumably George believes (as all RCs) that Christ’s death was not enough! Respectfully this makes a mockery of His death - why did God bother sending Jesus at all if we can save ourselves? This was a hard journey for me many years ago, having been told since infancy that the RC church is the “One True Church”. It resulted in my husband and I keeping our marriage secret from my mother’s side of the family, so great was the shame that we were marrying in a non-Catholic church (it was actually a Bible-believing Evangelical church!). Well done Allie for defending God’s Word on these issues. The Bible is our only sure guide. George and Candice - thanks for this discussion. Praying for you!
The thief on the cross was clearly not baptized, yet Jesus said to the thief that he would be in paradise with Him. It is not baptism that saves you, but faith in Jesus Christ! It was a pleasure to hear both Allie and George speak so eloquently.
Why did Jesus give the Apostles the great commission -- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 28:19) Christ saving a prisoner while physically present beside Him bestowing His grace upon him is the exception. Christ confers His grace to all persons through the Sacrament of Baptism.
@@rccyberwarrior2267 Under that theory, a person who accepts Jesus Christ one day, then gets hit by a car and dies the next day before they can get baptized, is not going to heaven. Ridiculous. We're told to get baptized as a public confession of our faith, that's it. Nothing more, even though the Catholic Church tries to make it more.
@@MooJoo Christ gives us many chances to be with Him for eternity -- He is loving and merciful. I am relaying what is in the Bible. And exorcists will explain how the Sacrament of Baptism provides protection against the diabolical attacks for the person baptized -- and part of a traditional Catholic Baptism is an exorcism which frees the person from diabolical influence/attack and breaks any curses placed by an ancestor or others on the infant or other person baptized.
@@rccyberwarrior2267 The Bible makes it very clear that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit only when we accept Jesus as our Savior. That's it. We only get baptized as a public confession of that faith. A person has to understand their need for forgiveness and need for a savior in order to accept Jesus in the first place. Under your theory, no Catholic would ever deal with anything demonic because as you say, a baptized person is free from any diabolical attack or influence. And if that is so, why would a priest need to do an exorcism at all? Btw, I appreciate the dialogue.
Candice, George and Allie Thank you so much for this lovely and important discussion. I am 61 years old and your discussion answered a question as a Catholic that I NEVER knew I had. I took notes and you all gave me tools to dig deeper. I will say that my faith was deepened by this. Thank you all 🙏🏻❤️
Like George Farmer, I'm a convert to Roman Catholicism (Easter 2000); and what brought George into the Faith is similar to what brought me in to the Faith: Baptism and the Eucharist (read John Ch 3 and 6). I'd encourage anyone interested in Catholicism to do a Google search for Catholic Answers as they explain the Faith very well (Apologetics).
I loved this discussion so much!! As a cradle, Catholic woman in her 60s, I love learning more about my faith (your hubby is very smart and eloquent!) and hearing that the Word of God has led some very intelligent people to the Catholic faith. JMJ!!
FACTS: #1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?) #2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?) #3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator? #4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?) #5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?) #6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?) #7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?) #8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?) #9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers #10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?) #11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?) #12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins #13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church #14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?) #15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?) By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RESEARCH: The writings of the NT were written, considered Scripture, and being circulated among the churches while the Authors were still alive and well -- see 2Peter 3:15-16, Colossians 4:16, 1Peter 1:1, John 20:30-31, Galatians 1:4, etc. -- these Authors were NOT part of the Roman Church. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes. the thief on the cross was baptized not through baptism of water but through baptism of blood. There are three types of baptism. Baptism of water, baptism of desire and baptism of blood. Baptism of blood is defined as dying for Christ without a chance to receive water baptism and to live a Christian life. At the last moment, the thief on the cross died in defending Jesus accepting him as God and savior.
The thief on the cross passed before the New Covenant was fulfilled and instituted. The ressurection hadn't happened yet. Christ's command to Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit came after, before His ascension into Heaven.
@@Csay12 Christ is the source of all baptism. His words to the thief assured him. The thief died with him and in him. He was the luckiest person to have this kind of baptism for in baptism we died with Christ and will rise again with Christ.
Yep and Jesus told him “Tonight you will be with me in paradise”. He don’t work off his sins, nor earn his salvation through works nor did he need to work at all in purgatory. “Tonight” “paradise”. It’s over. There is a reason Catholics murdered people who translated the Bible so people couldn’t read these words that make it clear they don’t hold any power over Christ’s power to save nor can they sell it.
He is not prepared enough to defend the Catholicism. She has asked plenty of times for him to cite passages and he hasn’t. Why? Because his points aren’t biblically based.
When I was 16 years old my mother passed away! One night I sat up in bed crying and begging our blessed mother for comfort. A bright light appeared in my room and a beautiful white figure appeared inside the light. I wasn’t scared but immediately felt a wonderful sense of peace. She spoke to me. She said “ Pray to my son, Jesus”. I’ll never forget that moment. The next day in school we celebrated the immaculate conception. I had no idea it was this day. In the auditorium the choir sang Let it Be buy the Beatles. As I listened to the words I started to cry. “In my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me. Speaking words of wisdom. Let it be”. After that happened I always wondered. Was she trying to tell me to go straight to her son with prayer or, as some of you have said, was she guiding me in the right direction as a mother would? Either way, she definitely heard my prayer and gave me a wonderful sense of peace I can’t explain.
To Jesus through Mary. She always leads us to her son and loves us as the Most loving mother. Jesus gave us his mother at the cross and told us to behold her. 🌹❤️
Mary always wants us with her son, Jesus. She is always near him, so if you are near her, he is not far. It doesn’t surprise me Mary appeared to you. She has a special love for children who lose their mother. What you described is a supernatural experience and the way it touched your spirit tells you the meaning. The feeling you were left with was just a mere fragment of the essence of the Divine Mother. She gave up her son and witnessed his murder for our sins and wants you near him always. God bless!
@@jessicabarker6721 I think Angela’s story is beautiful…and puts Mary in her proper role, pointing the way to Christ. Depictions of Mary in the early church were often in the form of “hodegetria” (literally, she who shows the way) where Mary is humbly pointing to her infant son as she cradles him in her arms. To me, this has been lost in the modern church. Catholics have gone off in a whole nother direction….
@@ericcarlson9885 the Catholic Church holds a unique position that Angela’s story is describing a supernatural experience. Outside of the Catholic Church, these type of experiences are considered hallucinations. As Allie stated in the video, Protestants don’t believe in this type of stuff. There’s no rule in Catholicism to venerate Mary. But, during Mass we are with Jesus on the cross. Mary is always there, so naturally we become close to her also. Jesus used his last words on the cross to give us his mother. It is not a requirement to love her, but that love can open hearts wider. God bless ❤️
Thank you Candace for having your husband share his knowledge with us and enlighten me on my faith. I am Catholic, however the way he explains and breaks down everything is just great!
FACTS: #1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?) #2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?) #3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator? #4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?) #5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?) #6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?) #7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?) #8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?) #9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers #10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?) #11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?) #12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins #13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church #14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?) #15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?) By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RESEARCH: The writings of the NT were written, considered Scripture, and being circulated among the churches while the Authors were still alive and well -- see 2Peter 3:15-16, Colossians 4:16, 1Peter 1:1, John 20:30-31, Galatians 1:4, etc. -- these Authors were NOT part of the Roman Church. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's funny how every Protestant's hangup is THE MOTHER OF GOD! Always the Mother who is in the background, carrying the child, nursing a boy's hurts, drying a boy's tears, teaching a boy to walk, the first love of a boy's life, and the love of the divine son is the one that people have hang-ups about?
Thank you so much Allie for being the voice for most Baptist! You explained my faith very well. Both of you were very respectful toward one another. More conversations like these should happen.
Allie explained her position very well, yet i see a lot of comment’s saying “this is why i am a catholic”….. never saw a convincing evidence as to why i should be a catholic.
@@movewithcesardue to Protestantism relying heavily on symbols and lacking fullness of faith. Rather than digging deeper into history and theology, Allie used entry-level knowledge and simplistic views that contradict themselves. Explore the early church and the foundation of scripture, explore what it means to take communion, explore the lives of Christians who came before us and who are believed to be in heaven now. You will become Catholic by that point, because the truth is not a metaphor or symbol, it is - exactly that - truth.
@@movewithcesar trading faith and tradition for coffee shop “praise & worship” concerts while a college dropout misquotes a Bible verse isn’t Christianity, but I respect your choice. Take care.
@@AnthonyDiaz95my pastor is an educated man that went to college and has traveled the world through his education. He’s a Cristian pastor ,Not all Cristian pastors are in educated
This was so helpful. I left the Catholic Church in my late teens and became an Evangelical for 30 years. But I have reverted back to Catholism a year ago via studing early church history/church fathers and going to the Latin Mass. But being so steeped in Evangelicalism I still struggle a bit w/ some Catholic teaching, mainly Purgatory, I dont think i can ever accept that. But I can never go back to Protestantism, the Eucharist has captured me as I believe it is the Real Presence.
Try the Orthodox Church. We don't have a purgatory in our doctrine. The Orthodox Church is the original Church, from which Catholics split in the 10th century.
You have to accept all catholic doctrines if you are catholic. "Hence it is evident that a heretic who obstinately disbelieves one article of faith, is not prepared to follow the teaching of the Church in all things; but if he is not obstinate, he is no longer in heresy but only in error. Therefore it is clear that such a heretic with regard to one article has no faith in the other articles, but only a kind of opinion in accordance with his own will" - St.Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae Try looking for more arguments for purgatory, I'm sure you will one day be able to understand. But you must accept as faith is an submission of the intellect and will even if you do not fully grasp or understand.
Purgatory can be understood and appreciated in the light of God's mercy and justice. The bible says that no stain of sin may enter heaven. Not even the smallest vestige of sin can stand before the Almighty, All Holy One. Purgatory is for those who died in the friendship of God but isn't perfect yet. They might still have minor faults, weaknesses, unrepented sin, etc. They don't deserve hell but nor do they deserve heaven...yet. This is where God's mercy and justice come in. Purgatory is a state where souls get purified like gold is purified by fire. They experience sorrow for their sins and crave to be with God in the process. In time, God will deem them perfectly holy and will allow them to enter his presence. Having been made pure, they can now stand before God without guilt or shame. Before purgatory, I don't know if anyone would have been able to look God in the eye. We would all be so conscious of our many faults.
A scriptural basis for purgatory... It's not explicitly stated but it is alluded to. 1 Cor 3:11-15: "For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames." St. Paul is saying, a person who built a life upon Christ but is found wanting somehow will be saved but will first experience suffering comparable to escaping a fire.
Currently converting to Catholicism from being Baptist. The more and more I learn about Catholicism the deeper my conviction goes. It brings me so much knowledge and comfort.
I can help you with any question you may have about the Catholic faith. If I would’ve debated with her, I would’ve won this debate like a walk in the park.
@@sheliafarmer The Catholic Church is the church of Jesus, not of men. It is written in Matthew 16:18 And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build MY CHURCH, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it.
THE BEAUTY AND SIMPLICITY OF JESUS CHRIST IS BORING IS'NT IT, THAT WHY SATAN HAS PEOPLE SEARCHING FOR MORE, THERE'S NOT MORE BUT THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, 66 BOOKS
@@sheliafarmer you are absolutely wrong the Bible consist of 73 books the protestant reformation in the 1800s took out seven books, including the book of Wisdom. In 382 Pope Damasus the first put the Bible together. The catholic Church was the one that put the Bible together, not wrote it, put the Bible together. In the year 382.
Allie killed this!! 💪💪 Sola scriptura! “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” When councils, popes, and any person contradict Scripture, BELIEVE SCRIPTURE!
@@renee6989 thanks for commenting! Would love to discuss that more. That verse explains how the Word is sufficient and there is no need to add to Scripture. “I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written” 1 Corinthians 4:6. Mark 7:8-9 “You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men. And he said to them, ‘You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!’” Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.” 1 John 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” We are told here to test ALL things to Scripture which makes it the standard of truth. 2 Timothy 4:3-4: "Preach the Word; for the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." This shows good doctrine comes from Scripture alone and this instructs us to compare all things someone says against to the Word. The Word being the standard of truth means when someone says anything it should be measured against it. If someone claims something as “truth,” but it is not in Scripture it makes them a liar based on these Scriptures. We do not add or change the Word- we surrender to it. Wish you the best!
@@earthyandfree yes Allie was a better debater. George didn’t quote many verses that he should have to defend himself. What really needs to happen is for Allie to debate Tim Staples, a former Protestant pastor to converter to Catholicism. He is the one that could answer all of Allie’s questions and confusion about what Catholic truly believe
Why then don't you do the Eucharist ? It's all over the New testament . So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. John 6; 53/57
All a Christian needs to dispell any confusion is a simple "Thus sayeth the Lord" and my bible says "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." Ecclesiastes 9:5 .. So therefore, no need to pray for, or to dead people.
This is how religious conversations should be. No screaming, hating, no disrespect towards each other, just giving each other’s points of view and supporting them. I loved it. Very informative too.
They have to do another one
If you are not one you are not mine. Google the restoration of all things.
It’s how ALL debates/conversations should be.
Oh and I think George won the debate…. But then, I’m catholic soooo may have a little bias there.😉😏
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My guess is that no one is screaming because who wins the debate has no influence on who dies or has power. Up until fairly recently it very much mattered which side you were on. The old divisions have been replaced by new ones: Christianity versus Islam, woke versus conservative. If you want to have screaming and violence those are the places to look, where who is the winner or the loser will have very concrete effects ion people's lives.
Totally agree ❤
No shouting, disrespecting, just decent, mature & intellectual conversations, even when in disagreement. Love this
Just a bit of attitude from the blonde lady.
@@essentiallife9697 She is having a cognitive dissonance.
Well said. This was very interesting. How we used to live before all this leftist madness and hate seeped into our world
Thank you Candace for bringing this discussion together
@@essentiallife9697all the time
@@essentiallife9697 what???? The guy is the one with an attitude. He interjects before she's done on multiple occasions. Has a very sulky frown on the whole time, and just comes off as he thinks he's wasting time and he's right. Snarky shit.
I met Candace when she was out with her husband (and one other person) at a restaurant that I was at the last time I was in Nashville. I tried not to crash their dinner so I approached before their food arrived - I was fan-girling so hard and SO nervous. She was SO NICE and so was her husband! She let me take a selfie with her. She was so down to earth and friendly.
Same here. I worked at DC restaurant that she and later they were visiting daily. They were always nice. I didn't know about her, because I didn't follow politics. Even though that I didn't recognize her she didn't take it for bad. Now I regret that I didn't know about her work earlier. I wish I had a picture with her then😊
I’m so jealous! I think if I saw her in person I would melt into a puddle and die 😅
@@Caitieeebug I dreamt I met her and she was amazing!!
If I met her I would probably melt. I just love her, while I don't always agree with her, I still absolutely love her. I live in TN so maybe someday. I am sure I would sound like a babbling moron but still would love to do it ❤
We should just leave people alone with they are out and about, especially when they are having dinner together. Unless they are appearing in a public way to promote something or that variety, they should not be approached, IMO.
Leaving the Catholic Church was the best thing for my relationship with God. We are one on one. I don’t need to talk to a priest to get to my Father.
Off course you feel good leaving the Catholic because that is exactly the enemies want you to do. Thru out the History of salvation Obedience is the most important. Adam and Eve was disobedience to God and what happened. Catholic you have to obey the church
@@momnguyen7835 The "Church" is the body of Christ (believers)... The assembly of believers and the holy spirit.
It is not to obey the catholic church.
amen
Exactly, simply is God omnipotent and omnipresent? yes, So how is it possible that he is not within man? only a separate mind perceives itself without God. We come back to asking Jesus into your heart, He is the Living Word, scripture is not the Living Word, Jesus is and all the scriptures spoken about by the disciples were not referring to the bible - it didn't exist then. Its all about control....A Course in Miracles explains everything so much better.
@@momnguyen7835 I’m still in a church just not catholic anymore. It’s too ritualistic for me. I love my non denominational church. It’s all Bible based. Satan had nothing to do with it. It was me growing and maturing my relationship with God. Catholicism is what my parents picked for me. In my 50’s I decided a different way.
Do more of this!! 45 minutes felt like 5 seconds!!! This could be an entire series!
Who is telling Candace Owens that she should end the Candace Owens podcast? Why are we rushing? Is a long form podcast not an option?
@@brbapappa We need this conversation to continue- so much more to cover.
Rev 5:8
Absolutely! I was actually caught off guard when this episode came to an end
@@johntropp3085great scripture, v8-10 -
the messenger (evangel) is to go to people of all nations & tongues; the passage prophesies the consummation of the Great Commission, the great gathering souls to God’s throne!
The more I study the catholic faith the more deep is my conviction. I’m so happy to be back home from the new age lies.
Happy you're back too! I agree that my conviction only gets stronger the more I study it
If you continue worshipping catholic paganism, it will lead you to hell.
Amen 🙏🏼 God is so good that is great to hear!!! ✝️🇻🇦🤍🙏🏼
Welcome home! ❤
Same. Long journey back to Catholicism
George is truly brilliant. He needs his own podcast to spread his faith. Love being Catholic and encourage everyone to look into it before judging it based what you heard.
Allie Beth is the typical anti-catholic. The prejudice within Christianity towards one another is what turns so many people off. Who cares how catholics worship versus protestants. We are all children of God.
THIS 💯
True !!!
YES
Jesus is already the mediator. Lmao
I am born Catholic and I see a lot of God's love and mercy and grace in the faith. As Catholic we don't force anybody to join the Church it's entirely up to your spiritual openess to finding the truth. be Blessed every one your most welcome to come back to the mother church it's never too late. Well said George Farmer. Sharon from Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬🙏Blessings
I absolutely LOVE how calmly this discussion progresses. This is how real adults should discuss weighty matters. Candace, you married a brilliant, good man. :)
I left Catholic church after high school, eventually 25 years in evangelical church. Learned the bible and then recently came back to the catholic church. Watching George with Matt Fradd was the final tipping point to make me return to catholic church. That, dreams God gave me, research into church history and frankly tired of the big show in the evangelical churches where very little bible is taught any more.
you should go to a sung Latin Mass at least one time
Depends on the evangelical church you go to. Some churches are basically a Christian rock concert with an inspiring speech tacked on. Others are much more modest and focus on sound theology in their worship and solid Biblical teaching.
Frankly, I think Catholics place way too much faith in the authority of an institution run by fallible humans. I think the Church can err, therefore I can’t be a Catholic.
Beautiful story! Praise God for your journey and the instruments that lead you back to the church.
Repent & believe the true gospel of Christ. Being a catholic or Protestant who believes in a works based salvation won’t get you to heaven. Repentance is not “asking for forgiveness or turning from sin” it’s goijg from a state of unbelief to belief. Changing your mind on who God is & how to be saved.
Ask yourself this do you believe in the true gospel of Christ which is Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Or do you believe in a false gospel where you must “repent/turn away from sin, be baptized, eat the flesh, + believe in Jesus to be saved. If you believe in such you believe in a false gospel unfortunately. Majority of Christian’s do & it is the wide path to destruction that is leading many to hell.
To prove the life you live has nothing to do with weather you are saved or not I will use nothing but the Bible.
God sees “turning from sin” as works.
Jonah 3:10 And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
What is sin? 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the LAW: for sin is the transgression of the law
What do you do when you decide to turn from sin? You decide to follow the law. What does the Bible say about following the law to be saved?
Roman’s 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the LAW there shall NO FLESH be JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Jesus says in Matthew 7:21 that whoever does the will of the father will enter heaven well what is the will of the father?
John 6:40 For my Father’s WILL is that everyone who looks to the Son and BELIEVES in him shall have ETERNAL life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
I could literally go on & on about how many verses that says you literally just have to BELIEVE to be saved. Not believe in Jesus+repent or + be baptized or + eat the flesh ect. If you don’t believe in belief only justifies you are not saved because you believe in a works based gospel.
Roman’s 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
You must believe in the true gospel for your faith to be counted for righteous. If you believe in a works based gospel you or working for salvation & your faith will not be counted for righteousness. Only the people who believe your are saved by GRACE through FAITH alone are saved majority don’t this is why Jesus called works based salvation the broad path to destruction.
Think about it why does it literally make it so easy to where you can literally just believe to be saved? 1st it gives ALL glory to him. I didn’t save myself HE SAVED ME.
Titus 3:5-7 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HE SAVED US, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his GRACE, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
2nd if I could do anything to obtain eternal life it would put salvation in my hands & not gods. He destroyed the “wisdom” of the wise & gives nothing but understanding to the prudent. The thief on the cross did nothing but believe & his faith was counted for righteousness. God makes it so easy to obtain eternal life you can literally be on you death bed & be saved. This is the beauty of the true gospel. It’s NOT about the life YOU live it’s about the life Jesus lived for US. He lived the perfect life we couldn’t.
Grace is not a licensee to sin like how most false prophets think it is it’s actually what gets us to turn us away from our sin.
Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly*, righteously, and godly, in this present world
WE SHOULD walk in the spirit.
We SHOULD Put on the New Man
WE SHOULD Be obedient to God
WE SHOULD Put to death the works of the flesh.
Will we? Not everyone will. Thank Paul talks about putting on the new man & fighting against the flesh so much. Thank God in our lord & savior Jesus Christ that he lived the perfect life for me that with the mind serve the law of god but with the flesh serve the law of sin. -Roman’s 7:25
Some people will remain babes in Christ never growing spiritually.
Some people will grow up spiritually to be soul winners.
Both are saved because on judgement day it won’t be about the life they lived but the life Jesus lived for them they will be covered is his righteousness not there own. Repent & believe in the true gospel of Christ.
Amen. Great testimony. Welcome back
There is nothing more American than starting your own church.
I love being Catholic.
There is nothing in the epistles about the pope. The Bible is the only thing you should look to for religion. Don't add to the Bible.
@@avaglynn1 Mathew 16:18 "And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it."
@@avaglynn1 My religion created and canonized the Bible.
@@ungas024 simply singular One Church not Churches...
Yes my friends husband does too, he likes weekly confession so he can have affairs without feeling ‘guilty’ cause he can go to confession.. The Muslims like that they are allowed to lie about ‘ affairs as they are allowed to call the affair a marriage and not tell the wife. It’s all in the rules of the organization. Time to read your Bible well ( which wasn’t allowed by the Catholic Church for years and years ). And there are many types of Catholic Churches too.. And the priests are continuing to sexually abuse children and nuns. Please do not cast stones at the Protestant s. Your sins are many many and many.
I’m a recent revert to the Catholic Church. I like listening to conversion stories to help me on my learning journey.
Conversion in the Bible turning to the Lord in repentance and faith.
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
Candace, I’ve always been a huge fan of yours. As a Catholic, now I’m a huge fan of your husband! He did a great job, and he has inspired me to become stronger in studying more about my faith. I hope he shows up more in Catholic realms to speak. He has a gift! Kudos!
You can listen to him talk with Matt Fradd for 5hrs on Pints With Aquinas
@@andrewamarone9578 When was the last time you read the words of Jesus and praised him the way you praise human beings that tickle your fancy with lies? That guy is brainwashed and doesn't even know it. Your interest should be in the truth, not in becoming a cultic fan of somebody who surely doesn't know what they talking about. His god are the so called catholic church fathers. That's where he gets his authority.
I feel like the Catholic faith is so deep and huge and many parts weren't even discussed. I think maybe it would have been a better conversation in a few years when George was longer in the faith to make better points.
I pray you repent of the false gospel you believe in and come to believe in the true gospel of Christ that you are justified freely by his grace & faith & nothing else. Her husband is a false teacher who preaches a works based salvation who has heard the true gospel of free grace & rejected it. He’s a reprobate damned to hell because he uses god scripture takes it out of context & uses it for his own ways.
If you want to actual Godly men take about the true gospel of Christ & stop believing in this Catholic & Calvinist false gospel which is the broad path to destruction then i recommend you watch,
Sniffing out pharasies,
Onorato Diamanté
Cassidy Cambelll Based. God Bless You
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
George has incredible knowledge. His calm demeanor and thoughtful responses were inspired.
Keep in mind ,these discussions are not intended to convert either George or Allie. They are not going to be convinced by these arguments. These discussions are for those of us who are watching and are of Good Faith and Good Will, who are keeping our hearts open to reception of the truth.
Very well said, blessings!
Exactly.
Yes! Well said! ❤
Excellent Job, Mr Farmer!!! We are so privileged to have you as a Catholic Apologist with such a great platform!!!.
“That all may be one, as you and I are one”, John 17:11
I’ve been a Catholic since birth and I’m now 81 yrs old. George, you did an excellent job.👏👏👏Allie. Nice job too great discussion
Very true indeed.
@@WilliamMcMahan-eb9zc WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special???
Book, chapter and verse!!!!
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Where in the bible is said Mary can hear our prayers? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary went to/will go to heaven? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary is a mediator/imtercessor? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary remained a virgin? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary was sinless? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary is to be worshiped.prayed to? Book, chapter and verse
I KNOW absolutely NO Catholic will reply!!! If one does, every answer will be either out of context, or twisted scripture.
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special???
Book, chapter and verse!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where in the bible is said Mary can hear our prayers? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary went to/will go to heaven? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary is a mediator/imtercessor? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary remained a virgin? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary was sinless? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary is to be worshiped.prayed to? Book, chapter and verse
I KNOW absolutely NO Catholic will reply!!! If one does, every answer will be either out of context, or twisted scripture.
@@mitchellosmer1293im confused especially on the “did Mary go to heaven” question.. she believed in her son and accepted him as God in the flesh. She absolutely went to heaven because she was saved. As we all are when we accept Christ into our life 🩷 I ask my friends and family to pray for me and I pray for those who ask to be prayed for 🙏 the same way I ask Mary to pray for me. I look to her as inspiration on how to act with grace as a woman especially since one day I will become a mother. Jesus is the only one! We all know this :) nobody get to heaven except through him, but having people pray for you is nice is it not?
@@mitchellosmer1293im not sure who says God rests on the first day, weren’t we all taught he rested on the seventh? Lol correct me if im wrong though!
George is a class act - love listening to him! Praying for your faith journey, Candace. Thank you for this discussion
I am a Protestant convert . I can tell you that the True Presence has made the most profound impact in my life . I feel a joy and a peace in my soul that I was always searching for in my life . I will be praying for you during your most important quest for Truth ❤️
Yes! Welcome
Agree!
Welcome home!!!
God bless you!
AMEN
Wow, George’s knowledge of the faith and a Catholic Church is amazing! I thoroughly enjoyed hearing every response he had and hope he does more of this!!! Very proud of my catholic faith and we need more people like George speaking out and sharing their knowledge because the catholic faith is so deep and so complex that I think it is hard for a lot of people to understand when studying and reading on your own. Debating like this and sharing in his own words is so helpful in teaching others!
Is there any room for Jesus? You're only talking about belief in a church. I find this confusing and sad.
@@amylynnhunt55 There is only room for Cristo, that's the point you guys don't understand... Our Mass is build up on saying important verses about Jesus from the Bible, which help us conncecting to him, that doesn't mean that you should only go to Church.. you should always focus on your personal relationship to him, but as Jesus teached a lot of people at the same time, we are called to learn as a community, with brothers and sisters!!! you can't deny that. if you deny that you deny Jesus own practice. AVE CRISTO REX
GEORGE IS LOST AND INDOCTRINATED
@@amylynnhunt55 Catholics have no room for JESUS, they talk and pray to EVERYTHING BUT JESUS CHRIST
Allie has an incredible grip on the Word! I do not understand why Catholics want to hold on to praying through Mary when scripture clearly says there is ONE mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ!!
I don’t just pray through Mary, but in our home, me, my wife and children all together ask St. Joseph, Eve, St. Augustine, St. John Paul II, St. Gianna Molla, St. Patrick, St. Ann, St. Therese of lisieux, and Venerable Fulton Sheen for their intercession. We do that every night after petitioning God directly.
Do you have an issue with asking them to pray for us, or just Mary?
I ask because the Bible tells us the saints in Heaven are more alive than we are on earth. And if we believe the Bible is true, it stands to reason we should ask others to pray for us.
Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? If so, why not ask someone who is alive in Christ, even if the body is dead?
@@derek4412 you explained what I don’t think George could and why Catholics pray to Mary and the saints. I’m curious to know where in the bible it says the saints are more alive in heaven than earth? And then where you deduce that Mary and these saints would hear your intercessory prayers.
Amen and alluia🙌
@@tessalala272 There are multiple verses when taken together imply the living nature of those who are dead to us, but alive in Christ (Revelation 6:9-10; 1 Corinthians 15; Luke 20:34-38; Matthew 22:32, and many more).
My personal favorite is probably Revelation 5:8 where John describes the saints as offering our prayers to God, which implies the saints (some translations call them "God's people") are not only aware of our prayers, but they bring them to God on our behalf (ie the saints can "intercede" for us).
My second favorite verse is probably Mark 12:26 where Christ tells us directly the saints are alive, and He is their God. ("I AM the God of Abraham" - not 'was the God of Abraham' implying He is currently the God of someone who is dead to the earth but alive in Heaven).
If you want to go deeper I would suggest seeing what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says with regards to 'communion of saints'.
You might also be edified by a website called "Catholic Answers" under an article titled "Praying to the saints" as it has a question and answer format that I find easy to read.
Pax et Bonum (Peace and Goodness)
@@derek4412You ask a person to pray for you right here on earth, but you cannot ask that same person through prayer. So the same is applied to Saints, once you ask them through prayer, you are literally praying to them which is blasphemy.
A part 3 would be awesome! Candace, I’ll keep your journey in my prayers. As a Catholic revert, (I drifted away for 20 years) I’d love to point you to some great resources, but I’m sure God will do a much better job. “Jesus, I trust in You”
Yes! Part 3!
Same here, 15 years away from the church 🙏
May I ask what made you revert?
I wish that there had been more attention to the problems of "sola scriptura" and the focus on more literal interpretations when there are so many different translations of the bible. Allie kept on encouraging people to use a specific study bible. There was also little attention to the possibility that the commentary could be coming from "tradition." I was disappointed that Allie's understanding of the Catholic faith is so limited especially when she talked about Catholics and the bible. I am not sure why none of her formerly Catholic friends had no clue that most of the mass is straight scripture. There are 4 readings, (HT, or Acts, Psalm, NT and Gospel at Sunday masses and 3 at daily masses. Most of the prayers come from scripture. The Rosary is scripturally based including the Assumption which comes from Revelation. Also, I wish there were more attention to the issues of salvation and works. I often hear people say that they "used to be Catholic, but now they are "saved." The way that they are "saved" often include saying that they have "accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior." Why isn't the requirement of having to say specific words considered "works."
@@brittanylong3756 skipping tons that happened, after years of ignoring God, I spent a few months feeling pulled back and looking into different religions , not only Christian. One night I felt that the Holy Spirit was inviting me to receive the Eucharist, a word I didn’t even remember. I went to Mass the next Sunday. With the first note of the opening hymn, I knew I was home. From that point on, I totally accepted Church teachings and never looked back.
I spent almost 4 decades in Protestantism, the last 10 years was in Reformed and high church traditions. I’m thankful for evangelicalism introducing me to Christ, I’m thankful for Reformed Presbyterianism for introducing me to sacramental and covenant theology, I’m thankful to Anglicanism for introducing me to the importance of liturgy and church history and I’m thankful for Catholicism for bringing all of these things together in the fullest possible way.
I feel like this is how my journey is slowly evolving!!!
The fullness of truth 🎉❤ what a lovely realization
Wait until you find orthodoxy!
Amen
Beautifully said and spoken with truth.
Please please have your husband back for more Catholic discussions! This was fascinating!
I was raised Catholic. Left my faith for a while. Lived by the world. Never knew any better. Then I started going back to church. I didnt even know about all these denominations. I just went to praise Christ. But the more and more I learn about God and the church it brings me back to Catholicism. People say so many lies about it and its become a crazy stigma even I once indulged in. Truth is, the Catholic Church is amazing when you look into it and study the truth. The Bible isnt a straight forward book. Its like a university class level of teaching. I still visit other churches and it warms my heart to see others praising Christ. But we gotta stop with the hate between Christians ✝️
I was raised nondenominational Protestant, though many of the circles I move in are Baptist. I honestly enjoyed hearing George’s thoughts immensely. I have never heard such explanations of the Catholic faith, and it gave me a deep respect for his beliefs and those of others like Michael Knowles. I think the Church at large needs to have more respect for each other and trust the Holy Spirit to do His work. We get caught up on too much.
It’s a matter of eternal life or eternal death. The Catholic Church teaches a false gospel that leads to eternal separation from God so yes this is serious especially when it comes to list souls.
*lost souls
@@hail2703 You have no write to send any body to hell. I am tired of anti Catholics saying we preach a false gospel. You may learn some day that we had the fullness of truth.
@@Vickie167 I didn't say that...God said in His Word that if anyone teach another gospel, let him be accursed.. pls read that. I am warning you as someone who is concerned for your soul. You only need the Word of God which is the Bible..and it says that if you repent/believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and place your trust in His finished work on the Cross - then you will be saved from hell... Can the Catholic Church make that promise to you? No because they have placed barriers for you to be saved like purgatory, limbo, the sacraments.. when in fact Ephesians 2:8,9 says you are saved by grace and NOT by works...I am for Catholics finding out the truth and being saved by CHRIST.
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I love the conversation. I follow Candace and Allie, so I sort of knew what to expect. This is the first time I’m listening to George Farmer speak, he is so knowledgeable and presents his points well. I’m Catholic, there are a lot of things about the church that are misunderstood and misinterpreted.
I think the Mother of God issue is something that Catholics don't interpret properly. George did properly explain where Mary as Mother of God comes from - the point of declaring Mary to be Mother of God was to make a statement about Jesus being God in the flesh. That's all well and good and I think every Christian agrees with that. However, then Catholics take her status as Mother of God to mean she has some special status as an intercessor in heaven, and that was not the point of the council.
I'm not a theologian by a long shot, but I think that's not us non-Catholics who are misinterpreting things, I think it's the Catholics who are misinterpreting Mary as Mother of God to mean more than the council meant it to mean.
@@patrickbarnes9874 Thank you for this respectful reasonable explanation of the Protestant position on Mary. Im a Catholic, and I tend to agree with you, tho I see the Catholic rationale also.
@@patrickbarnes9874es I would definitely say as a protestant Mary is the mother of God. The issue I have later seeing this mother son worship as pagans did and Roman Catholics calling her the queen of heaven, which is a common title for the goddesses of the near east such as Isis way before Mary. That's an issue and we have to be careful doing this.
Catholic here too… so many fellow Catholics don’t understand their faith and misrepresent as well. That’s our downfall. I envy Protestants who convert. They understand it so much more.
Farmer doesn’t represent intercession of prayer well. No mention of Elijah and Moses at the transfiguration nor the lifting of prayers by the saints in heaven of revelation.
Thank you George!!! You explained the Catholic faith so beautifully. 🙏
Yet missed the mark to being a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ. Does he know scripture, The Gospel.
She was very graceful in the conversation with the Farmers.
@@Jcircu-djjeix George is very versant on Scripture.
@@kfresne3011 suuuure he is. That’s why he couldn’t recall yet one.
@@Jcircu-djjeix have you seen him on other venues? Your (anti-Catholic) accusation tells me the answer, no!
@@Jcircu-djjeix Name me one Protestant who has lived a more Christian life and who would be more of an example to follow than Saint Francis of Assisi or Saint Padre Pio. We can do the same for women. Name me one Protestant woman who has lived a more Christian life than Saint Hildegard of Bingen or Saint Catherine of Siena?
It should be easy, though. All you have to do is name one of the founders of the many different strands of Protestantism, and we can compare them with the Catholics I mentioned to see if they measure up...
I'll be waiting...
I just cannot buy the fact that Mary can be a mediator. She is dead and cannot carry our prayers any further.
Then how can a person who’s alive be a mediator for you? They are not dead and might not even end up in heaven themselves. They might be a demon on earth your having pray for you and they end up in HE LL themselves once they die. That makes no sense. I’d rather pray for intercession from someone who is already in heaven for a fact. Than a man who’s a sinner.
The wages of sin is death. We are all susceptible to committing sins this means we are dead. The people who have gone before us are more alive than we are because they can no longer commit sins. Blessed Mother Mary is our ultimate intercessor as she is the Mother of God,
You don’t believe in our life after death Jesus came to take the vail away between heaven and earth you can communicate with all of their energies they are part of Gods energy still! We are all so different in our beliefs ❤
@@robg5157do you think people praying for you are all going to heaven for sure? No way to tell
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.
Revelation 8:3-4
This debate is amazing! Please do more! Your husband did awesome! Love the Catholic faith!
I follow your channel! :)
Do you have "Catholic faith" or do you have faith Jesus Christ alone. I'm don't have "Baptist faith" my faith is in Christ plus nothing for my imputed righteousness to save me. (Romans 4:5)
@@pianoplayer2260 Amen 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@pianoplayer2260 Catholic faith is faith in Christ. saying one has “Catholic faith” means they have faith in her teachings. these teachings being centered around Christ, obviously. get out with your nonsense.
@@ryanbasel8670 Not faith in Jesus' work ALONE as the only basis of the sinner's justification before God. Rome adds our works to Jesus' works and the Bible condemns that. Read the book of Galatians.
This has confirmed so much for me. I converted to Catholicism at 17 and then somehow got distracted with life. Been finding my faith again and this has confirmed my catholic beliefs. I tried several Protestant churches before converting to Catholicism but as an adult was wondering if I still felt the same as I did when younger. I hope they do more of these.
Welcome home again Sister
You left God for faith in a church? Please help me understand this, I want to. It seems like God is less important than the ... the teachings of The Church. Do you feel or believe (because I think we can all agree that feelings can change often!) that you have a personal relationship with God? Or more that this is a beautiful tradition? Some of my questions stem from my Grandmother's experience in the Catholic church. It was about how she felt inside a beautiful building. But she never had interest in studying the Bible. Do you have Bible Study? Thank you❤
welcome home !
We have to use caution when it comes to our emotions. Satan has access to them so it requires some discernment.
There is beauty in our faith. Catholic Churches tend to be beautiful, but not all of them are ornate. Some are simplistic but still hold beauty. The true beauty in the Catholic Church is the real presence of Christ. God inhabited mount sinai and therefore His presence was palpable. This is my experience in the Catholic Faith.
Beauty always points to God. Nothing could be beautiful without Him. The beauty of the building and the faith point to God.
What we do with that is a measure of our walk in our faith. If we are not transformed by God, then we resist His grace. I can observe and appreciate beauty in nature, but if I fail to glorify God then I am doing God an injustice, who created the beauty.
People who don’t fully understand the Catholic Faith tend to get hung up on the externals. These can be both Catholics and non Catholics. The beauty is meant to point us towards God and in doing so we are required to praise Him for the gift of beauty. If we fail to do this then we fail to render justice unto God.
The Church is both physical and spiritual. It is a place and it is the body of Christ. We are all part of the body of Christ through our obedience to God. We come to the Church to worship Him. Mass is completely focused on God, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. We participate in unity in this worship. Our sacrifice is that of Christ, the Lamb of God through the Eucharist, as it has been through the inception of Christ’s Church which was fashioned after 2nd temple Judaism.
The New Testament heavily teaches the removal of the staff of Aaron through the Levite priesthood and handing it off to Christ whose priesthood is of the order of Melchezadek. In the Old Testaments introduction to Melchezedek there is an offering of bread and whine by Abraham. This foreshadows the Eucharist. And this practice completes the Old Testament scripture as Christ commands us to partake of His Body and Blood. Which many rejected and left Jesus at this teaching. Why would they be so scandalized over something that is only symbolic?
As Catholics, we can’t expect to be spoon fed our faith and do nothing in response. We need to understand our faith and study scriptures through the lens of Sacred Tradition. For we are unified by the Tradition unlike the multiplicity churches outside the faith that practice sola scriptura.
We look at the purpose of Jesus’s coming as more than just to offer us redemption but also to equip us to maintain it with the creation of His Church. Why would He create a Church that did not carry authority? That would lead to fracturing of the faithful who claim their own authority and essentially become their own popes. But like the relationship we have with Christ, to respond to His calling and be docile to His teachings we have a responsibility to have a close relationship with the Church. To participate. We have not simply the scriptures for discernment, but also the magisterial teachings of the Church. Like parents that provide each other with checks and balances. But we as Catholics should do well to know and understand the faith we hold and Sacred Scripture.
😮💨 that was a mouthful. I hope it did some justice to your question. And I humbly pray I didn’t misrepresent my faith. I am not as learned as George, but I aspire to be.
God Bless
As a Catholic who has endured many straw man attacks from Protestant friends and acquaintances, I just want to show appreciation for Allie Stuckley's charitable and reasonable demeanor throughout this whole debate.
I thought she was a bit disrespectful in a few instances.
I think she is a little arrogant more than once
You have a high tolerance for disrespect. Her mannerisms were annoyed and dismissive. She obviously didn't respect him.
Perhaps my perception just reveals how unreasonable, uninformed, and uncharitable the Protestants who approached me were at the time.
@@JMLFUS For sure. I've dealt with them too.
George Farmer is brilliant - most informed and convincing.
What a pleasant gentleman to listen to.
I am always blown away by the depth and beauty upon learning more about the Catholic faith, Catholic theology
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
George, You did an amazing job at defending the history, fullness, and truth of our Catholic faith!
Can he defend all the pegan symbolism in the Vatican and all the Christian saints that Rome slaughtered under the Roman Catholic Church....other than that.. I luv❤❤ conversing with you
@@phil7177 The Church contains humans. They are sinners. We are all sinners. But Christ said “And the gates of Hell will
not prevail against it.” And they haven’t. Not even when people with heresies broke away.
No he didn’t
@@phil7177you don't understand
George .... You need to Open an internet Utube Channel and Teach Catholicism .... Seriously !!!
When I was a young girl going to a Catholic grade School, we went to Mass every morning..I was young and knew to be reverent when receiving Holy Communion. It was when I prayed the Rosary (thinking Abt. The life of Jesus) I felt a closeness to MARY And She brought me to Know and LOVE JESUS In a Way I cannot explain. Perhaps that's what a good Mother does..
Seek the Lord not a sleeping woman
@@cedriceric9730 She did, and found him with help. Of the mother of God. Don't disrespect her like that.
Beautiful. ❤
Amen 🙌🏼
So true ❤️
I was a Catholic baptized as an infant and I don't believe I was saved until I was born again. I no longer identify as Catholic but Christian.
Amen I was able to leave also. I just couldn't wrap my mind in burning for any amount of time indefinitely until someone prayed me out for my sins.
Purgatory is something I don't see how anyone can make peace with. Or that "Hell" is here on earth. Although there is lots of sin and terrible things that are hellish, a new born baby being born is not. He'll can't be where new life is born into.
For questioning Catholics read the book of Roman's, John. Then Romans- Philemon. From a King James Bible in comparison to the catholic Bible. And see the truth for yourself.
Then to hear from a former priest himself read "50 years in the church of Rome", and "The priest, the woman and the confessional".
Amen 🙏🏻 me too❤
@@analeegarcia9388 I was born Catholic, left the faith to the Evangelical church and thankfully found my way back to the Catholic Church after finding huge flaws in their teachings. God gave me a major grace to show me miracles surrounding the sacraments. They’re mindblowingly true. As far as purgatory, we all die very imperfectly and only perfect holiness is allowed in heaven, so purgatory is actually Gods mercy. One example for purgatory
is 1 Cor 3:15, where we are saved by fire “If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”
1 Corinthians 3:15
I learned a lot at the Protestant church and I’m grateful for my time there, but they don’t have the Eucharist, which is something you should pray about and ask the Lord to show you the truth about it. John 6:66 “From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.”… because they couldn’t understand what Jesus meant by eating his flesh. They left him after he multiplied the loaves and fish! And that is what the Protestant church did, sadly.
Same
You were saved when Jesus died on the cross for your sins. You were saved when your original sins were washed away in baptism. But you will know for sure you have been “saved” when you are dead and on your way to heaven. Until then, you could reject God and turn away and lose your “assurance”. But don’t lose hope, God gave us a way to restore our relationship again through repentance. The sacrament of reconciliation is your assurance, given by Jesus, administered by his priests.
Wow I loved to hear Candace’s husband speak. He made very good points from being a Protestant to now being Catholic!
We need more of Candace’s Husband ❣️
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In my opinion, Farmer’s final point, about the Church Doctors and Church History, inextricably linked to Christ and His apostles, is an absolute dagger. It simply cannot be refuted or argued.
“Do be deep in history is to cease being Protestant”
~ Archbishop John Henry Newman
Absolutely, I agree
Candice! My sister! You did amazing in marrying this man. I am Catholic. From my experience, there is no greater feeling then kneeling at the alter with the wife God gave me, by my side, and watching her receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus and then receive him myself. I kneel next to her at the pew and feel the oneness between us and Jesus. And for a few moments that oneness feels blissful, peaceful and a happiness that I never thought would be possible to experience. I fall in deep humility knowing I don't deserve it but God gives and desires it.
Very beautiful & touching comment. Indeed, only God can give that kind of peace & deep, lasting joy. It's like a taste of a bit of heaven while here on earth. God bless you & your wife.
This is so true!! My husband entered the Church on Pentecost of 2021 and it’s been amazing to receive our Lord and Savior together.
beautifully said!!!
Perfectly said. I know exactly how you feel. I would regularly take my beautiful wife and two young daughters to the Traditional Latin Mass. We would do Confession first, to cleanse our souls. Then to kneel at the pew before Mass, preparing my soul to receive my Lord in the holy sacrifice of the Mass. Sitting in the pew during the homily, I would place my hand on my wife’s leg. Looking over, seeing her and our daughters in their pretty Sunday dresses, with their veils covering their hair. Then, as you say, to kneel as a family at the communion rail to receive the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Our Blessed Lord. There was a feeling I had that’s hard to describe. A feeling of peace and contentment and being so lucky and blessed. Afterwards, we would usually go out for lunch as a family and share that time together as well. Such beautiful memories!
I say all that in the past tense because my beautiful, young wife was taken from me. A sudden heart attack, dead instantly. My family suddenly shattered, and nothing will ever be the same again. I’m crying as I write this. These memories I’ve shared in the previous paragraph are beautiful, but almost too much to bear…knowing what I have lost. Wishing so bad I could go back and do it over again. Whoever reads this, please pray for me and my now family of three. We are struggling. I have been asked to carry a cross so heavy that I fear I will be crushed beneath the weight of it. And I have been tasked to learn the true meaning of suffering, at a level I didn’t even know existed. May God bless and keep you.
@@rustyshackleford1303 I am so sorry for your loss.
As I read, I instantly remembered what I often tell my wife to remember as our death plan. I am going to share it with you in hopes it helps. I've never shared with with anyone else. I think you can still do it yourself.
I ask her to recite it for me so that if I go first, she knows what to do in her sorrow instead of just feeling sorrow. Who ever stays behind must dedicate prayer and sacrifices for the Purgatory sentence the one who died was given for their sins. Never assume someone just went straight to Heaven. Help them get into Heaven. The one in Purgatory must accept the fullness of the just sentence and do not resist the cleaning of the soul. After the one in Purgatory is accepted into heaven, beg God to allow the news to be revealed the one still leaving. In which ever way Jesus believes is best. Then, the one on earth continues to care for their soul and the souls of children and grand children. And the one in heaven continues to intercede for the salvation of the one living so they too may be accepted to Heaven.
He doesn’t really back up or provide a strong reason for his belief. I feel like Allie throughout this whole thing has clearly been correct.
He knows a lot about church history and he's a very smart person, that's it. Allie brought God's word and gave succinct and straightforward answers. She gives scriptural backing for belief, he brings history, councils and a high intellect. Proud of her and her resolve to the word of God.
Respectfully disagree here, but please don't take my disagreement as an attack, I do not intend it to be.
May I ask exactly what you believe he didn't provide or back up? And what personally makes you believe Allie was correct over him, besides of course if you are protestant and have preconceived biases? (Not saying you do, but its likely if you are protestant then you would obviously think Allie is correct)
In what way do you believe George did not provide strong enough reasons for his beliefs?
@@hannybrooke for a non catholic hearing wordy malarky like sacrament veneration etc etc. george also was like I can show in some places where it’s supported and I’m sitting looking at my phone like, okkkkk do it…. Allie even said ok I’d like to see it. Allie also was actually throwing out scripture references so I can go look for the evidence. That holds so much more weight then just trust me bro
In a way, they both back up their claims with what they already believe in. He backs up his claims with church history as well as some scripture. But that’s because he doesn’t believe in scripture alone. Allie backs up her claims with scriptures because she does believe in scripture alone. It’s like a weird paradox. At the end of the day everyone’s going to side with what they already believe in.
@@iamchris6033 Yeah, the problem for her is that scripture alone is clearly faulty. Something the majority of protestants can't comprehend or grasp.
Great talk!!
I'm a catholic convert from 1990 & attend the TLM mass at an FSSP parish in Omaha & the only comment I can make from this is that; for a person who believes, no explanation is necessary & for one who does not believe, no explanation will suffice!! I stand by this with my whole protestant family!!
Jesus founded the Catholic church & it has the WHOLE truth, Jesus said it, I believe it, that settles it!!
God Bless You all!!
quote----Jesus founded the Catholic church ... unquote
Book, chapter and verses where it is ,mentioned!!!!!
-----quote----it has the WHOLE truth, .... unquote
Then answer these questions with "THE TRUTH":!!!
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD RESTED on the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD BLESSED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD SANCTIFIED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD NAMED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK to make that day special???
WHERE in the Bible does it say GOD DECLARED the FIRST DAY of the WEEK as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special???
Book, chapter and verse!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where in the bible is said Mary can hear our prayers? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary went to/will go to heaven? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary is a mediator/imtercessor? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary remained a virgin? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary was sinless? Book, chapter and verse
Where in the bible is said Mary is to be worshiped.prayed to? Book, chapter and verse
I KNOW absolutely NO Catholic will reply!!! If one does, every answer will be either out of context, or twisted scripture.
I love Candices husband 😂 man you can just tell he lives what he believes and has true character and has a strong integrity
yes...i was very impressed by him!
GEORGE IS SO LOST, HE DRAGING HIS FAMILY DOWN A RABBIT HOLE WITH HIM
@@Neisha.Alvarado LOOK OUT FOR DEVIL IN SHEEP CLOTHING,CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A FALSE RELIGION
Brainwashed
@@Neisha.Alvarado he is brainwashed
George is so calm and intelligent!!!! his ability to question and to think deeply is exciting to hear!
Grateful to be catholic and to love the Theotokos without having to deemphasize her role.
I love that you used the word grateful rather than proud.
Hi Candace. I enjoyed this debate. I think you should bring different guests to debate with your husband. Your husband being a theologian, that will give him chance to share his knowledge with many people. Thanks for this very informative debate.
Do a part 3!!!! And a part 4, while you are at it ;) This was awesome!
Yes, but please also bring in an Orthodox Christian to the discussion. The Orthodox tradition traces its roots to the early Church and the Orthodox perspective would shed light on these two Western Christian (Roman Catholic and Protestant) perspectives.
(e.g. Josiah Trehnahm, Bogdan Bucur, Stephen Freeman....)
Yes, we need an entire series with many seasons on this lol.
@@AgapeCircle-j3w I was thinking the same thing too since in the USA, no one really considers Orthodoxy. Christianity in the USA is always between Protestant and Catholicism and even during the video I was like "what about Orthodoxy?" lol. Many Protestant Americans would think Orthodoxy and Catholicism are somewhat similar.
This was so insightful. Thank you all. I’m an adult convert to The Catholic Church from the Baptist church. The Catholic Church is so complete & rich. I cherish it.❤
Same. I'm a Catholic convert as well..🙏
I'm Catholic and my husband is a convert to Catholicism. I think you are all amazing ❤
Funny because i can prove so easily that catholicism is satanism have fun being in the most corrupt church thats molested over 330,000 children who do everything opposite of Jesus and Vatican means worship of the serpent have fun in your satanic cult
Roman Church is far from complete and definitely not rich but devoid of the gospel sadly
@@duckymomo7935 Name me one Protestant who has lived a more Christian life and who would be more of an example to follow than Saint Francis of Assisi or Saint Padre Pio. I'll be waiting...
It was mentioned that asking Mary to pray for us has no impact. I just want to remind everyone that the first miracle that Jesus performed was because his mother asked him to. At the wedding they ran out of wine. Mary intervened and asked her son Jesus to perform this miracle to make the wine that she knew he could perform. Mary has a special place in Jesus's heart.
She was ALIVE when she asked...
Matthew 12:48-50
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
I can relate so much with Cadence. I marry a catholic man and for a long time I tried to reason with him about religion, even though I was sure that if we had children, our child should be baptized because it was important for him. I'm happy you are so open to it because like it was for me, you have the chance through your husband to really KNOW the catholic faith. After 29 years of being protestant, I'm now catholic. My conversion became possible because I was open to know, to study about it and in doing it I finally understood that religion have nothing to do with a feeling, like Luthero made it seems. Through the whole discussion, Allie measured the authority of the Pope and our priests by her standards, by herself. But they aren't just anyone, they dedicate their whole lives to Jesus, they are in State of Grace, we most of the time don't. She doesn't believe for a second that our priests have the clarity of the Holly Spirit. I can see now how presumptuous the protestant views are. "Salvation is mine to take", "No human can have more authority about my actions than me", "Mary was just a woman"... They can't fathom someone on this earth more deserving than themselves. I'm from Brazil and we have a famous priest named Father Paulo Ricardo that described perfectly what Luthero and Calvin did... he said that "Luthero should have throwed away the bath water, but he threw the baby instead". There is no right way out of the Catholic Apostolic Church, and that is made clear when nowadays we have pastors supporting abortion and same sex marriage. I hope you find your way home, Cadence. May God lead your way to Him. God bless you!
I would say that instead “salvation is mine to take” we think “salvation is given to us through Jesus sacrifice -him paying for our sins” and not “no one has authority but me” and change that to “no one has the authority but Jesus”
@@brittanylong3756 I understand what you say, but for me it is just a flourish way to say exactly the same thing. We both agree that Jesus freed us from our original sins, but we believe we have to earn it through our actions on this earth. We can and will lose it if we do not learn to walk like Jesus walked. And “no one has the authority but Jesus” we also agreed, but after Jesus resurrection, He told the apostles "As the Father has sent me, I am sending you. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” So with that, He gave authority to men to forgive and lead the church. For that, we do believe that on this earth we have men with more authority than others to forgive sins and therefore, help you receive salvation.
@@brittanylong3756 I appreciate the clarification here. Both of the opposing views in the video were explained with such clarity and calmness. It’s strange to see some people in the comments not exhibit this. Thanks for doing so.
Allie was not measuring it by “herself”, by her own feelings. She was measuring by the Holy Scripture! The Bible! Nobody, not the pope, not the priests, not the nuns, no one is more ‘Holy’ than anyone else. We r all equal in the eyes of the Lord. In fact, only in my opinion, if u pray through or to or whatever it is Catholics do that sounds like idolatry to me.
Welcome! great points!
I love the way Candace looks at her husband; she obviously admires him very much, as all couples should.
She is so blessed to be with a true catholic gentleman.
@@kevinj5952here the hell did you took that
SHE GOES AWAY FROM THE TRUE FAITH SHE WAS RAISED IN SHE GOING GO HELL WITH HIM TO, NO FUN THERE
@@shhh3185 HE IS BRAINWASHING HER, SHE LETTING HIM, SAD
Bravo!!! Part 1 and 2 was amazing. Incredible discussion and thought provoking. As a proud Catholic it made my heart swell to see how George defender our faith with such humility, intelligence, poise and love. Allie was also amazing and I give her much respect for her beautiful demeanor. In the end we all love God and asked to love they neighbor. This was such a great example of that with absolute no judgment again bravo! Such light 🕯️
He didn't defend it he covered it
I grew up in the Protestant movement, the Holy Spirit gave me the strongest urging I’ve ever had to go to the Catholic Church. And I’m so thankful I did. They literally crafted the Bible that Protestants argue sola scriptura of. They retained the 7 books that the new age movement removed in the 16th century on the whim of men. And the Protestants still adhere to the creeds of the Catholic Church.
George has done more for Catholicism than many of our priests and bishop. You are so blessed Candace.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That should be a red flag. From a Protestant perspective, Jesus has done more for humanity than any other pastor, preacher, or Sunday school teacher. Always was and always will be the case. True Christians don’t have their sights set on tradition, man’s praises, or some animals being more equal than others. When God uses someone like Mary, it is a humbling story for her and for us, not a gateway to get preferential access to the big guy. To God be all the glory. Less of me and more of Him in my life.
Accept the criticism
@@puresynergyflo
Amen!
@@puresynergyflo That goes without saying that Christ has done more for humanity than anyone. Why do you pit Christ against holy priests and bishops that have done so much for the Church? These holy pastors and people don't do it by themselves but by the grace of Christ.
That would be like saying "why follow Dr. Superhealthy Person to get eating habits under control when you could just follow Christ?" Why do you assume that following the example of a healthy human person means one doesn't follow the God-man Christ Jesus? You create a rift where none exists!
I absolutely loved this debate! George explained our faith so well! All I kept thinking was, do not be afraid to call Mary the Mother of God, if you believe that Jesus is God. If Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.
Yes, her hesitancy was quite interesting.
Amen!
That little extension of mother of Jesus therefor mother of God makes it heresy. Jesus on earth had a human mother. God is yahweh, Jehovah, the creator of all seen and unseen. He is not a created being. A woman did not give birth to the living God. I see what you are doing but the statement is wrong. You have to acknowledge there is a difference and it's major.
George didn’t provide any Scriptural basis for praying to Mary.
Mary was blessed, but a still a sinner like all of us, and in that way no different from the rest of us. Christ is the only human never to have sinned.
Candace - please read Brant Pitre's book "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: unveiling the Mother of the Messiah". The book will likely answer many of your questions about Catholic theology on Mary. It's an incredible book!
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And Scott Hhan, Mary revealed though Scripture
Yep… I love this book
Great book
That us a great book!!
First of all: im rly happy, that you guys were able to have a polite conversation that sets a benchmark for what a debate should look like. Ofc in this talk there is a big lack on important arguments, for example scriptural passages regarding intercession, regarding the question "are the saints dead?" and so on, but i think this was a good start for Christians who are trying to look into traidional Christianity.
After 15 years of Evangelicalism and the last 6 years being active in preaching ministry, i went back to the Holy Catholic Church and im so happy about it! The Church History and questions around Baptism, Authority, Eucharist and so on led me (and atm many others) back to the Catholic Church. I think God is moving big time at the moment, leading back many of us, including Candace! Congratulations and God bless!
As a former Methodist now Catholic attending the Latin mass, I really appreciate the journey that you're going through. Sola scriptura ironically isn't mentioned anywhere in scripture; sola fida is directly contravened by James 2:24. Ultimately, I was convinced by the scriptural basis of Christ's flesh (real food) and blood (real drink) in the Eucharist. God gave me the same choice that the disciples had to make -- believe or walk away. I decided to believe and it was like scales fell from my eyes. If the protestants got that core truth wrong, what else did they get wrong? I can't say that it's always been easy or quick. But the effort has been the most worthwhile thing that I've done with my life. You'll be in my prayers.
This is very close to my own story. I would add two things. 1. Scripture does expressly refute Scripture alone when it says that the Church (as opposed to Scripture) is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). 2. What does St. John say of those disciples who rejected Our Lord's teaching on the Real Presence? He says: "After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer walked with Him" (John 6:66). To reject the Real Presence is to reject Christ.
Praise God for your journey!
True, if they got the Eucharist wrong which Jesus really insisted on several times, what else have they got wrong? Mary, pope,purgatory....
You need to read ALL of John's Gospel chapter 6 and in the context of the rest of the New Testament, not just take the word of others (who have an agenda) for it.
For example, in verse 33, it says clear as day what the bread is: HIM!
He is the daily spiritual "food" you need as much as you need physical food (even more so).
Just like he quotes Deuteronomy in Matthew 4 when he tells Satan "man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God".
He's talking about SPIRITUAL SUSTENANCE, just as he is when he calls himself "the true vine" and believers "branches" in John 15.
"I am the bread of life" verse 48.
"I am that living bread" verse 51.
Just as when he says he is the "door" or the "way", he's talking figuratively and SPIRITUALLY, not physically.
"It is the SPIRIT that gives life. The flesh is useless" verse 63.
And you shouldn't need "Jesus in a wafer" every week if he LIVES INSIDE YOU SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING: see 2 Corinthians 13:5!
@@leenieledejo6849 aah another blind heart...arrogant mind....
The first thing I said to myself when watching this was how refreshing it is to see two people calmly discussing huge topics. Mutual respect, love and Fun. George is so credible because he's a convert and very knowledgeable. I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
(John 17:21)
I was a cradle catholic from Indian catholic church founded by Thomas the Apostle. After immigrating to US I abandoned Catholic Church after listening to the TV preachers here. Many years after that my eyes were opened about the true faith and authenticity of the Catholic Church when I had an opportunity to visit an Iraqi Catholic Church in the US whi called themselves St. Thomas Christians because their church was founded by Thomas the Apostle . The part that was incredible to me was that their Catholic Mass and liturgy were exactly the same as my Indian Catholic Church founded by Thomas the Apostle in AD 52.
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Did you come back to the church?
Thank you for leaving India, don't go back.
Welcome back brother. Glory to God!
Welcome Back SA G
I know @Candaceowens most likely will NOT see this comment but I truly enjoyed this discussion. I don't believe in Catholism, their saints or the Pope and this just more so confirms my path is right for me, but everyone is free to choose. I'm a NON-Denomational Christian and my beliefs are more in line with Allie. She asked questions I've very much wondered myself!! So thank you for that. Prayers go directly to God/Jesus and NOT through Saints, and Mary is just Jesus' mum. Such a great conversation tho.
It’s a shame you don’t believe the saints because that’s very clear theology. They died for their love of God …terrible deaths
@ taylerknight3595 if you say that after this conversation you are still sure that protestant heresy is the right path, that means you are as blind as a mole and you deprive yourself from salvation. But as you said- you chose it yourself. So sad.
@@C.Rankin If you prefer to place your faith partly in saints and partly in God/Yeshua, that's up to you. Jesus/Yeshua is THE WAY, and we have to place our faith in Him alone. The bottom line is, we all have our Faith in the Saviour, and keep an intimate relationship with Him in order for Him to keep working the Will of God through us throughout our life journey.
@@monikam-ska3715 The bottom line is, we all have our Faith in the Saviour, and keep an intimate relationship with Him in order for Him to keep working the Will of God through us throughout our life journey. To think of yourself more highly than you ought isn't the Spirit of Christ. If you prefer to place your faith partly in saints and partly in God/Yeshua, that's up to you. Jesus/Yeshua is THE WAY, and we have to place our faith in Him alone.
Allie Stuckey youve just gained a new follower! Theology on point!
I'm not Catholic (I'm very religions) and I'm not protestant. But I think if you're looking at it objectively without the spirit, the guy gave the better argument. I don't have a dog in this fight so just say, as you may be biased :)
@Gabby Chalmers - Allie is just incredible. I'm so grateful for how the Holy Spirit is using my sister in Christ to inspire and bring the Bible to the masses!!! ❤😊
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It’s probably more helpful to listen to Allie on her own channel. She’s very good. She is a Calvinist, which I am not, however she’s still very good at apologetics. I’m not sure she’s the best person to debate George though.
@@cjchep6555 I've listened to Alle on her own channel and she does a good job on some things. I'm just saying if I were to be unbiased, I would say she did not persuade me to Calvinism (note I think that Calvinism lacks solutions and I think the pope and many of the people around him are very average or in some cases evil people) I don't have a dog in this fight as I think they are both wrong. I"m just saying if I was in the shows of making a choice like candice I would have gone with her husband.
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I understand. I’m not Calvinist either. But I do like Allie. I couldn’t be persuaded by George though. There’s too many issues with Catholicism for me.
This conversation has been thought provoking. First time hearing a Catholic thoughtfully express reasons for beliefs. Absolute respect and much food for thought.
Listen to Trent horn, Scott Hahn etc. There are so many great catholic apologists who themselves are converts! .
What! Yes please get out more! Haha jk- Catholic Answers, Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, any number of Catholic instagrammers…
Scott Hahn was my professor last year. Highly recommend listening to him. Once a protestant pastor, now a Catholic theologian. very smart.
George had a lot of errors and historical misrepresentations. For example, try purchasing two books by the same name, "Baptism in the Early Church" which refute his claims about the father's and baptisms.
First time?! Better late than never
Great discussion. I got saved and immediately became Protestant, after a year (recently) started looking into catholicism and became convinced. This just deepened my catholic faith even more!
Amen, welcome home.
You got lost??
@@duckymomo7935 exactly. ... BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT CATHOLICS ARE LOST
IT IS NOT BASED ON THE CROSS But another Christ and Mary..... THE ROSARY IS TALKING ABOUT MARY her name is said over amd and over MARY
@@goldenarrow3 Plain ignorance or misinformation (ie Roman Catholicism); Rosary beads are part of pagan practices. The Buddhists use an equivalent. They are YET another Pagan practice adopted by Romanism.
I am an ex-catholic and YES, the Rosary is 90% "Mary-prayers", so Rochelle Perry is absolutely RIGHT.
There are absolutely NO rosaries in Scripture.
Please "Research it more carefully & quit judging people by assuming stuff"
@@rochelleperry2242The Rosery is by far the best way to put on the full armor of God. It is so powerful.
The fact that Allie has her Bible open for reference speaks wonders
If only she understood how to interpret it 🫠🫠
@@ddkrauss12 Her interpretational skills are fine.
Great conversations between both. As a cradle Catholic I ventured out to Protestant churches seeking answers and truth because I thought the only way to truly know was to explore outside of my own church. About five years later I returned home to the Catholic Church and decided to fully confirm in 2022. I’m so thankful to God for answering all my questions in a way that led me back to the full truth.
welcome back :) God bless you!
The only true "home" anyone can possibly have is in Jesus alone. That's what salvation is all about. That's what heaven will be.
@@kayt1898 Ok Protestant, May God bless you.
I was baptized and raised Catholic. As a teenager after confirmation I kind of drifted away from the church. As an adult now I completely want to return to Catholicism. I am a strong believer in the faith and I have always through my life prayed and said the rosary. I really loved this conversation.
@Familytoyreview426, keep praying the Rosary! Mama Mary will always bring us closer to Jesus. Your praying the Rosary is a testament of your staying on inside the Catholic Faith.
Non-Catholics really have a hard time understanding our love and veneration towards Our Lady, the Mother of God! They are truly missing out on the graces that come thru the love and prayers of Our Lady and all the Saints and Angels in Paradise, for that matter.
Jesus made a point of how important our spiritual Mother is for and to us…just before His last breath on the Cross. He asks us, thru the representation of St John, to take Her into our homes and into our hearts. And, for those who are concerned about loving the Virgin Mary more than Jesus, hear ye, hear ye…nobody, NOBODY can love the Virgin Mary more than Jesus Himself!
Take care all. God bless you, God bless us, America and the whole world🙏🙏🙏
You really don't want to be serious about God by going there trust because they aren't real
I've been on a similar path. Not sure if I really know how to be catholic
“Once and done Saved” vs being in a state of grace.
@@adamnoseworthy6524 Each Catholic Church has an RCIA program to help people become Catholic.
Wow, this was great to listen to! I'm a Catholic from the start, I never felt the need to explore anything else, even though I did have my times further away from God. For me truth is one and most of things I heard here were obvious, but I loved the way George explained it theologically - so refreshing! Candace, you're a super lucky woman you have by your side a man of such true devotion to our heavenly Father, only a man like this will be best possible husband and father. And I'll pray for Your conversion, because God put George on Your path for a reason - open your heart to understand The Truth you seek so deeply...
Love your work and wish you all the best from Poland 😊
@@AnnE-mn8ny agree 100% 😇
Why would you say Protestants aren’t saved?
Candace is officially Catholic!
She is a truth seeker, I knew she would find her way at some point.😊
@@deadandgone70 because the only True Church started by God Himself is a Catholic Church and only in Christ and through the work of His Mother in Church we are saved.
@@ArtLook4U where’s that in the bible?
Minute 14:24
-- Pray "for" me is not equivalent to praying "to" me.
Exactly. Surprised that was his main argument.
The Jews prayed to the Tzadikim to ask them to pray for them. It’s the same thing, basically
prayer does not mean worship
I have to say Protestant church brought me to the Catholic church. Protestants explained many things in a simple way but there was always something missing, when I started reading more I got redirected to Catholic teachings, and ultimately I found the truth that does not change over time in Catholic church. I LOVE this conversation it is so much needed in today’s world to learn how to talk to each other with RESPECT even if your views are different!
This was exactly how I felt! My husband wanted to convert. I was open but had so many misconceptions. After reading and studying and going threw RCIA i found my truth. ✝️
Well i can prove without a shadow of doubt that catholicism is satanism so u have fun with your lies
I too am grateful to the protestant evangelicals for bringing me to Christ. The few of them who hate Catholicism, while being ignorant of history and theology, have always saddened me.
This was great! I became Catholic about 2 years ago. I struggled with many of the same questions. With deeper understanding of the Faith, I’ve come to understand things I was blind to before. Jesus used his last words to give us his Mother while he was on the cross. He said to Mary, woman behold your son, in reference to John, and here is your Mother to John. When you seek Jesus she will always be there. If you get lost from him, she will lead the way. Just as any mother would. There’s no rule to venerate Mary, but she was given to us as Our Lady as she is the perfection of Eve. She spoke the loudest yes to God that rings throughout all of history. She deserves her flowers, or better yet, her roses.🌹There is also a phenomenon known as spiritual baptism recognized by the Catholic Church. My priest describes it like trying to find a light switch in a dark room. Baptism by the Church (water) helps light the way. God bless ❤
God bless you! Ave Maria!!
Mary can't do anything for you, she's asleep in the grave.
@@itsspiritual8645 The woman in the book of the Apoc. (Revelation) is the Blessed Mother Mary. From the beginning she has been honored. Are you going to ignore all of Church history? Ad Jesum Per Mariam - This is Latin for, "to Jesus through Mary". I believe this statement is from the 2nd century.
" Woman and the Dragon.
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* A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman* (Mother Mary) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.a
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She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.*
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Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon,* with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.b
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Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.
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She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.* Her child was caught up to God and his throne."
@@michellemailloux2483 yes! Revelations ends what was started in the Garden of Eden. Gen. 3 “I will put enmity between you and the woman.” He said this to Satan about Eve.
@@shannonsmith6806 lol okay ye of little faith. Sorry, won’t be taking your word for it.
Allie is so passionate about her faith and it is refreshing to see someone with so much zeal. However, the longer I listen to Protestant/Catholic debates, Catholicism comes across, as George put it, as "the fullness of truth."
I commend everyone involved for discussing this with love, compassion, civility, and decorum.
Exactly. Protestants have half the truth and back in the day separated from the church out of convenience. Jesus is merciful, though. We pray for all humankind to convert to His grace and repent from sins. Protestants don't talk much about sins and reparation, but we catholics do and pray for all ❤❤
I thank God for delivering me from the Catholic church. I am amazed that anyone could go back to the catholic church after being delivered from it
I greatly respect both Allie and George, but dialogues like this have the opposite affect on me. The more I hear the Catholic viewpoint, the less compelling I find it.
@@gillianzohnert2323 What exactly were you delivered from? That's an interesting statement.
@@benwolk2028 For me, the more I hear about Sola Scriptura, the less it makes sense. I mean, in order for Sola Scriptura to be true, there would need to be an intra-scriptural reference as to what books should constitue the canon of scripture. Since there isn't, that means Protestantism is going outside of Sola Scriptura in order to prove the absolute authority of Sola Scriptura. It seems illogical unless I'm missing something.
Debating with people like George is impossible! Such great articulation of ideas
As a cradle Catholic, I loved this! George is so knowledgeable and was great in this debate! I pictured a mic drop when he said the Catholic Faith is "the fullness of truth"! He said so many important aspects of our faith!
This is not a mic drop moment, and that quoted statement is presumptuous.
This is not a competition. Its not the catholic truth or the protestant truth.
What believers want to understand is THE TRUTH!!! Not the glorying in mannade wisdom as if our thoughts are higher than the Creator.
When God was divulging his plan for salvation, their was not one Catholic or protestant in sight. It came to the Hebrew (Jews) first...
His plans were laid from the foundation.
Where was any of you? The same question he asked Job.
We can have our dialogues and discussions but lets not think their's any single institution that has sole authority on the scriptures.
Not surprising Greco-Roman hubris...
Ur a catholic surely ur bias
Amen 🙏
The "fullness of truth" is achieved in Orthodoxy. Absolute, undeniable truth.
@@neveralone7212 Unfortunately the differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren't as well known or fleshed out in the west since protestantism is a much more prevalant denominiation in the U.S.
Nothing has ever convinced me to leave my catholic faith. Such discussions cement my conviction.
Nothing in this discussion would make me become a Catholic.
@@manweller1 stay where you're comfortable
Yikes! So, you have decided to leave the one true church for a fake one. I used to be Protestant and boy was it a waste of time. I was Protestant for 23 years. Now that I returned to Catholicism, I find that my faith has grown by leaps and bounds. Question: according to the Protestant faith how does one put on the full armor of God? As a Protestant I could never figure that out. Now as a Catholic I just pray the Rosery.
Catholics believe that the Eucharist turns into the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It's backed up by John 6. It actually says that we must eat Jesus's body and blood. Protestants pretend that it's symbolic. No scripture backs this up though.
The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Queen of Heaven. This belief is backed by Revelation 12. Protestants pretend that she isn't because they hate who the Blessed Virgin actually is.
@@rangers94ism I am currently researching Revelation chapter by chapter and nowhere thus far does it state Mary is queen of anything. In Chapter 1&2 it states that Christ will give every follower a crown once they enter the gates of heaven. So every saint be they Paul, or David, Moses, will have a crown of glory on their head. Do you have any other evidence please because what you have presented is weak at best.
What if GOD told u, u are being DECEIVED? Would u leave your Catholic Faith? GOD is great. When are all the priests going to repent and serve the time for all the abuse they caused?
I am Catholic and I love my faith. I love the Virgin Mary. I could listen to George for hours. He s brilliant!
You acknowledge Mary and religion, but not the one that became sin for wicked sinner like yourself. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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@@Floridiansince94 It's important to remember, Mary had other children and is no longer a virgin.
@@legoforestmen3234 To believe otherwise is private interpretation
@@legoforestmen3234 it’s funny because none of the Protestant reformers would agree with you.
ONE man abandoned his vocation as a Catholic Monk - Removed 7 books from the One True Bible - Broke his vows of chastity and got married - and began a new church a denomination from the Catholic Faith and all other denominations have followed in his original path each claiming they are the one to follow the one with the truth but the Catholic Faith is the only one that has remained the same following the same doctrine and precepts values and morals as from the beginning when she was instituted by Christ through the Apostles.
Chastity should not be required for clergy.
Have you read the book of Acts of the Apostles in the Bible? The catholic church doesn't look anything like the book of Acts. So clearly the doctrines of the catholic church is not what Jesus and His apostles taught.
@@tonyabrown7796 exactly. It's written in the Bible that the apostles had wives. Paul was an exception. But there's nothing wrong with being a church leader and being married.
@@deursi Have you read Revelation? It is the Celebration we have every day and Sundays called the Mass. In many ways we do resemble ACTS your probably not aware it was the Church that began schools, hospitals, charities and it is the church which maintains these institutions more than any other group/church etc... We don't do everything the same identical way but share our faith, our funds, worship together, devote lives to prayer etc
The Catholic religion will not save you, God said you cannot talk to or pray through dead people This is in scripture, God said Do not participate in pagan idolatry, Catholics are the biggest pushers of Christmas a huge pagan holiday, why would you have a leader in your church that says homosexuality is right This goes completely against scripture,
Man this was sooo good!!! I think you could have a couple more episodes! Thank you to all involved in this! For the record I was born 3rd gen Catholic, left as a young adult. I was protestant 40 years in different denominations. I have always felt something was missing and had almost exactly the same questions and problems with the Protestant church as George had. And after much prayer and seeking the Lord for the last couple of years, I truly feel God is calling me home to the Catholic Church. So I’m heading back to the Church I was baptized in as an Infant…
come home! I'd suggest you this book: Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn
Welcome home.
You do know being Catholic is not like being Jewish, right? You are not a Catholic because your parents are.
I love that book ! Scott explains so well @@studiomegamiarchviz
I ALWAYS FELT THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING, CATHOLICS ARE BORED WITH THE BEAUTY AND SIMPLICITY OF JESUS CHRIST, THEY HAVE TO ADD ALL THE GARBAGE GEORGE IN RANTING ABOUT, NOTICE ALL THE BIG UNINPORTANT WORDS HE USES, HE MADE HIMSELF THE ATHORTHORTY NOT GOD, THST WHAT CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES, JESUS CHRIST IN NOT ENOUGH, you have to pray to DEAD PEOPLE, MARY, ST WHAT EVER, THEY ARE DEAD, BIBLE SAYS THERE NO KNOWLEDGE IN THE GRAVE
Allie is a wonderful representative for Christ and bolsters her side of the ‘argument’ with scriptural ease
i love her!!!
Let's call it a debate.❤
Can you tell me how to read more of her. VERY WELL PRESENTED. SHE IS A TRUE HERO OF CHRIST :)
I'm very impressed and so encouraged to hear how well she knows the Bible. She is winsome, but also strong,
@@GregDefendingTheFaith sorry I am not sure where to find any of her other work
Scott and Kimberly Hahn, former Protestants, faced these considerations. They met while studying at a Protestant seminary, married and he became a pastor. Eventually his conversion to the Roman Catholic faith prompted him to leave his position as a pastor. His wife’s journey took much more time. The subject of the Virgin Mary was for both like you Candace a difficulty. Both have written books and are very articulate and engaging in their journey home as they called it. Scott Hahn teaches at Steubenville University.
I encourage you and thank you for this inspiration of faith. Would so love more of this. Sorely needed today.
Thank you!
I thought of the Hahns as well! I would absolutely love to now see a discussion between Steve Ray and Allie Beth. Steve was a Southern Baptist and Catholic hater and is now a very devout Catholic apologetic.
I would also being Mike Winger into this conversation with Allie for the protestant view. That would be an amazing episode
Saw Scott Hahn in ‘95 or ‘96 when I came back into the Church, I couldn’t believe the profound theology. Blows any other religion away, especially using scripture, ancient Hebrew tradition to understand the scriptures, Salvation history from Creation, prefigurement in OT to NT, such as the manna and the Eucharist.
Read Scott Hahn’s Home Sweet Home, The Lamb’s Supper, The Fourth Cup; and Brant Pitre who wrote The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist- AMAZINGLY described, referenced, scriptural, etc.! Also, The Case for Jesus, The Jewish Roots of Mary, etc.
The Gospel isn't that complicated...we don't need other books.. we have the completed Word of God the Bible...the Gospel should be so simple that a child could understand it, that we are saved by grace alone, through Christ alone - Ephesians 2:8,9... we don't need any mediators or religions - we have the Lord Jesus interceding for us...no religion, no pope, no traditions needed...Just our Savior who is the Living Word of God, and the Word of God, the Bible.
Allie, re: talking about praying “to dead people”. When we die, we are “dead” to the created world, not the spiritual world. Those in Heaven are more alive than we are alive on earth! Unfortunately, those in Hell are just as alive for infernal eternity. The saints in Heaven are with the Holy Trinity, the pinnacle of our journey from this life to the next! We KNOW MARY is in Heaven; therefore, we can speak to her in prayer for intercession. The Queen Mother of the King who speaks to her son the King on behalf of His faithful servants. Just has been the case historically through time. The Queen would be given the keys to the Kingdom and make decisions if the King was away. She was the go-between the King and the people. Mary fulfilled that role at Cana when Jesus told her it wasn’t His time to perform miracles, but because His Mother asked, He was obedient to her, as He was perfectly obedient to Joseph and Mary growing up or He would break His own Commandments! He also gave her over to Saint John as his Mother; not only to look after her, but, Jesus always meant what He said with profundity. He is vertical, not horizontal like we tend to think.
Jesus gives us everything we need. He gives us His Word, He left us the Sacraments: Baptism for the “removal of the guilt of both Original Sin (the sin imparted to all mankind by the Fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden) and personal sin (the sins that we have committed ourselves).” Confession for the cleansing of the stains of sin on our souls after Baptism; Holy Eucharist to experience unity with Christ through Him as food for our souls. Confirmation to renew our Baptism at age of reason and commitment to Him and His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. Marriage a sacred vocation between a man & woman and open to life a raising children of God. Holy Orders to continue the priesthood from Melchizedek through the Apostles and to the end of ages, leading the flock home to the real Shepherd. Viaticum/Extreme Unction to give peace to the dying, their farewell through the priest by prayers, anointing, last confession if possible (coherent) and to receive Jesus’ Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity by the manna/unleavened consecrated bread by the priest (as in the OT) real and spiritual food for the last, impending, journey home.
God established order through Creation in all things. God is very specific and detailed throughout scripture: Who, how, what, when, where-the tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant, Noah’s Ark, the Serpent staff in the desert, Joshua and Jericho, the Passover, plague of Death and flee from Pharaoh, the manna and quail, etc., etc. Just saying-the seven books taken away from the original compilation of the Bible was so they could rid the books that held beliefs they wanted to change by their schism from the one true church into heresy as was brought up in the debate about praying for and to the dead, purgatory, etc. When He gave specific instructions on the Bread of the Presence/ showbread in OT of the priestly order and in John 6.
The Catholic faith is so rich, so deep, so profound. Unfortunately, the Church was highjacked by the Modernists (since the Enlightenment), freemasonry (after the French Revolution), communists around late1800s, but more so 1930s onward introducing Marxism/ Social justice movement(Bella Dodd), and satanic infiltration (since Judas, but mainly late 50s early 60s where some satanists were elevated into leadership, unbeknownst for the most part, or, maybe at the least??🤷🏻♀️. This made me want to defend our Church and try to educate others also to see why our Church is actually suffering with ineffective or apostate clergy to the top. Praying if not sooner, or by the end of their time on earth, they will see their errors and see the true goodness of our Lord, repent and be saved from the fires of Hell.
The French Revolution was to take the Cath Church down by war, that didn’t work, so they decided to infiltrate with propaganda in their sworn document known as the Alta Vendita. Look it up.
Enough. I could go on and on. Going to bed. God bless+
Growing up in the UK in an extremely devout Roman Catholic family, my spiritual journey is the opposite to George’s. It was a wonderful, liberating realisation to discover my salvation is not dependent on my works - ie my good works hopefully out-weighing my sins on the heavenly weighing scales. But rather, I am saved through grace ALONE, as Allie so well articulates. Isaiah 64:6 states “all our righteous deeds are like filthy rags”! If this is true, what hope is there for anyone? Thankfully through Christ bearing our sins on the cross, our sin (which we commit every day!) are taken care of. Presumably George believes (as all RCs) that Christ’s death was not enough! Respectfully this makes a mockery of His death - why did God bother sending Jesus at all if we can save ourselves? This was a hard journey for me many years ago, having been told since infancy that the RC church is the “One True Church”. It resulted in my husband and I keeping our marriage secret from my mother’s side of the family, so great was the shame that we were marrying in a non-Catholic church (it was actually a Bible-believing Evangelical church!). Well done Allie for defending God’s Word on these issues. The Bible is our only sure guide. George and Candice - thanks for this discussion. Praying for you!
Candace, this is your best series EVER! Thank you so much. Looking forward to the rest!
The thief on the cross was clearly not baptized, yet Jesus said to the thief that he would be in paradise with Him. It is not baptism that saves you, but faith in Jesus Christ! It was a pleasure to hear both Allie and George speak so eloquently.
We are still to be BAPTIZED..... CATHOLISM is not true at all. They have another Mary AND DECEIVED..... ANOTHER GOSPEL.
Why did Jesus give the Apostles the great commission -- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 28:19) Christ saving a prisoner while physically present beside Him bestowing His grace upon him is the exception. Christ confers His grace to all persons through the Sacrament of Baptism.
@@rccyberwarrior2267 Under that theory, a person who accepts Jesus Christ one day, then gets hit by a car and dies the next day before they can get baptized, is not going to heaven. Ridiculous.
We're told to get baptized as a public confession of our faith, that's it. Nothing more, even though the Catholic Church tries to make it more.
@@MooJoo Christ gives us many chances to be with Him for eternity -- He is loving and merciful. I am relaying what is in the Bible. And exorcists will explain how the Sacrament of Baptism provides protection against the diabolical attacks for the person baptized -- and part of a traditional Catholic Baptism is an exorcism which frees the person from diabolical influence/attack and breaks any curses placed by an ancestor or others on the infant or other person baptized.
@@rccyberwarrior2267 The Bible makes it very clear that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit only when we accept Jesus as our Savior. That's it. We only get baptized as a public confession of that faith. A person has to understand their need for forgiveness and need for a savior in order to accept Jesus in the first place.
Under your theory, no Catholic would ever deal with anything demonic because as you say, a baptized person is free from any diabolical attack or influence.
And if that is so, why would a priest need to do an exorcism at all?
Btw, I appreciate the dialogue.
Candice, George and Allie
Thank you so much for this lovely and important discussion. I am 61 years old and your discussion answered a question as a Catholic that I NEVER knew I had. I took notes and you all gave me tools to dig deeper. I will say that my faith was deepened by this. Thank you all 🙏🏻❤️
It doesn’t say unless you are baptized in water and spirit, it says unless you are born of water and spirit.
Like George Farmer, I'm a convert to Roman Catholicism (Easter 2000); and what brought George into the Faith is similar to what brought me in to the Faith: Baptism and the Eucharist (read John Ch 3 and 6). I'd encourage anyone interested in Catholicism to do a Google search for Catholic Answers as they explain the Faith very well (Apologetics).
I loved this discussion so much!! As a cradle, Catholic woman in her 60s, I love learning more about my faith (your hubby is very smart and eloquent!) and hearing that the Word of God has led some very intelligent people to the Catholic faith. JMJ!!
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!!
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RESEARCH:
The writings of the NT were written, considered Scripture, and being circulated among the churches while the Authors were still alive and well -- see 2Peter 3:15-16, Colossians 4:16, 1Peter 1:1, John 20:30-31, Galatians 1:4, etc. -- these Authors were NOT part of the Roman Church.
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The thief on the cross was not baptised. He accepted Jesus in faith and by grace was saved.
Yes. the thief on the cross was baptized not through baptism of water but through baptism of blood. There are three types of baptism. Baptism of water, baptism of desire and baptism of blood. Baptism of blood is defined as dying for Christ without a chance to receive water baptism and to live a Christian life. At the last moment, the thief on the cross died in defending Jesus accepting him as God and savior.
The thief on the cross passed before the New Covenant was fulfilled and instituted. The ressurection hadn't happened yet. Christ's command to Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit came after, before His ascension into Heaven.
@@Csay12 Christ is the source of all baptism. His words to the thief assured him. The thief died with him and in him. He was the luckiest person to have this kind of baptism for in baptism we died with Christ and will rise again with Christ.
Jesus' Descent Into Hell & The Baptism Of The Good Thief
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Yep and Jesus told him
“Tonight you will be with me in paradise”.
He don’t work off his sins, nor earn his salvation through works nor did he need to work at all in purgatory.
“Tonight” “paradise”.
It’s over.
There is a reason Catholics murdered people who translated the Bible so people couldn’t read these words that make it clear they don’t hold any power over Christ’s power to save nor can they sell it.
He is not prepared enough to defend the Catholicism. She has asked plenty of times for him to cite passages and he hasn’t. Why? Because his points aren’t biblically based.
34:40 exactly, especially right here
When I was 16 years old my mother passed away! One night I sat up in bed crying and begging our blessed mother for comfort. A bright light appeared in my room and a beautiful white figure appeared inside the light. I wasn’t scared but immediately felt a wonderful sense of peace. She spoke to me. She said “ Pray to my son, Jesus”. I’ll never forget that moment. The next day in school we celebrated the immaculate conception. I had no idea it was this day. In the auditorium the choir sang Let it Be buy the Beatles. As I listened to the words I started to cry. “In my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me. Speaking words of wisdom. Let it be”. After that happened I always wondered. Was she trying to tell me to go straight to her son with prayer or, as some of you have said, was she guiding me in the right direction as a mother would? Either way, she definitely heard my prayer and gave me a wonderful sense of peace I can’t explain.
To Jesus through Mary. She always leads us to her son and loves us as the Most loving mother. Jesus gave us his mother at the cross and told us to behold her. 🌹❤️
Mary always wants us with her son, Jesus. She is always near him, so if you are near her, he is not far. It doesn’t surprise me Mary appeared to you. She has a special love for children who lose their mother. What you described is a supernatural experience and the way it touched your spirit tells you the meaning. The feeling you were left with was just a mere fragment of the essence of the Divine Mother. She gave up her son and witnessed his murder for our sins and wants you near him always. God bless!
@@AvaVonHarte so true. Also, I have always felt sorry for the people that do not love her. The thorns in her heart they place 😔
@@jessicabarker6721 I think Angela’s story is beautiful…and puts Mary in her proper role, pointing the way to Christ. Depictions of Mary in the early church were often in the form of “hodegetria” (literally, she who shows the way) where Mary is humbly pointing to her infant son as she cradles him in her arms. To me, this has been lost in the modern church. Catholics have gone off in a whole nother direction….
@@ericcarlson9885 the Catholic Church holds a unique position that Angela’s story is describing a supernatural experience. Outside of the Catholic Church, these type of experiences are considered hallucinations. As Allie stated in the video, Protestants don’t believe in this type of stuff. There’s no rule in Catholicism to venerate Mary. But, during Mass we are with Jesus on the cross. Mary is always there, so naturally we become close to her also. Jesus used his last words on the cross to give us his mother. It is not a requirement to love her, but that love can open hearts wider. God bless ❤️
Thank you Candace for having your husband share his knowledge with us and enlighten me on my faith. I am Catholic, however the way he explains and breaks down everything is just great!
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!!
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RESEARCH:
The writings of the NT were written, considered Scripture, and being circulated among the churches while the Authors were still alive and well -- see 2Peter 3:15-16, Colossians 4:16, 1Peter 1:1, John 20:30-31, Galatians 1:4, etc. -- these Authors were NOT part of the Roman Church.
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It's funny how every Protestant's hangup is THE MOTHER OF GOD! Always the Mother who is in the background, carrying the child, nursing a boy's hurts, drying a boy's tears, teaching a boy to walk, the first love of a boy's life, and the love of the divine son is the one that people have hang-ups about?
Thank you so much Allie for being the voice for most Baptist! You explained my faith very well. Both of you were very respectful toward one another. More conversations like these should happen.
Allie explained her position very well, yet i see a lot of comment’s saying “this is why i am a catholic”….. never saw a convincing evidence as to why i should be a catholic.
@@movewithcesardue to Protestantism relying heavily on symbols and lacking fullness of faith. Rather than digging deeper into history and theology, Allie used entry-level knowledge and simplistic views that contradict themselves. Explore the early church and the foundation of scripture, explore what it means to take communion, explore the lives of Christians who came before us and who are believed to be in heaven now. You will become Catholic by that point, because the truth is not a metaphor or symbol, it is - exactly that - truth.
@@AnthonyDiaz95 I was a catholic for 20 years, i explored everything you mentioned, thats why i became a Christian.
@@movewithcesar trading faith and tradition for coffee shop “praise & worship” concerts while a college dropout misquotes a Bible verse isn’t Christianity, but I respect your choice. Take care.
@@AnthonyDiaz95my pastor is an educated man that went to college and has traveled the world through his education. He’s a Cristian pastor ,Not all Cristian pastors are in educated
Thank you, George, for sharing your Catholic faith. You make me proud to be a Catholic. God bless you, Candace, and your family always.
This was so helpful. I left the Catholic Church in my late teens and became an Evangelical for 30 years. But I have reverted back to Catholism a year ago via studing early church history/church fathers and going to the Latin Mass. But being so steeped in Evangelicalism I still struggle a bit w/ some Catholic teaching, mainly Purgatory, I dont think i can ever accept that. But I can never go back to Protestantism, the Eucharist has captured me as I believe it is the Real Presence.
Try the Orthodox Church. We don't have a purgatory in our doctrine. The Orthodox Church is the original Church, from which Catholics split in the 10th century.
If you’re having trouble with a particular doctrine, I’d recommend watching videos by Dr. Brant Pitre.
You have to accept all catholic doctrines if you are catholic.
"Hence it is evident that a heretic who obstinately disbelieves one article of faith, is not prepared to follow the teaching of the Church in all things; but if he is not obstinate, he is no longer in heresy but only in error. Therefore it is clear that such a heretic with regard to one article has no faith in the other articles, but only a kind of opinion in accordance with his own will" - St.Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae
Try looking for more arguments for purgatory, I'm sure you will one day be able to understand. But you must accept as faith is an submission of the intellect and will even if you do not fully grasp or understand.
Purgatory can be understood and appreciated in the light of God's mercy and justice. The bible says that no stain of sin may enter heaven. Not even the smallest vestige of sin can stand before the Almighty, All Holy One. Purgatory is for those who died in the friendship of God but isn't perfect yet. They might still have minor faults, weaknesses, unrepented sin, etc. They don't deserve hell but nor do they deserve heaven...yet. This is where God's mercy and justice come in. Purgatory is a state where souls get purified like gold is purified by fire. They experience sorrow for their sins and crave to be with God in the process. In time, God will deem them perfectly holy and will allow them to enter his presence. Having been made pure, they can now stand before God without guilt or shame. Before purgatory, I don't know if anyone would have been able to look God in the eye. We would all be so conscious of our many faults.
A scriptural basis for purgatory... It's not explicitly stated but it is alluded to. 1 Cor 3:11-15: "For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames."
St. Paul is saying, a person who built a life upon Christ but is found wanting somehow will be saved but will first experience suffering comparable to escaping a fire.
Currently converting to Catholicism from being Baptist. The more and more I learn about Catholicism the deeper my conviction goes. It brings me so much knowledge and comfort.
I can help you with any question you may have about the Catholic faith. If I would’ve debated with her, I would’ve won this debate like a walk in the park.
YOU NEED STICK WITH YOU BIBLE NOT WITH MANS CHURCH
@@sheliafarmer The Catholic Church is the church of Jesus, not of men. It is written in
Matthew 16:18 And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build MY CHURCH, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it.
THE BEAUTY AND SIMPLICITY OF JESUS CHRIST IS BORING IS'NT IT, THAT WHY SATAN HAS PEOPLE SEARCHING FOR MORE, THERE'S NOT MORE BUT THE TRUE WORD OF GOD, 66 BOOKS
@@sheliafarmer you are absolutely wrong the Bible consist of 73 books the protestant reformation in the 1800s took out seven books, including the book of Wisdom. In 382 Pope Damasus the first put the Bible together. The catholic Church was the one that put the Bible together, not wrote it, put the Bible together. In the year 382.
This needs to be a series!! Please keep this going!
Allie killed this!! 💪💪 Sola scriptura!
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” When councils, popes, and any person contradict Scripture, BELIEVE SCRIPTURE!
It says all scripture is God breathed. Not “only” scripture is God breathed. This is not a sola scriptura proof text.
@@renee6989 thanks for commenting! Would love to discuss that more. That verse explains how the Word is sufficient and there is no need to add to Scripture.
“I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written” 1 Corinthians 4:6.
Mark 7:8-9 “You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men. And he said to them, ‘You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!’”
Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.”
1 John 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” We are told here to test ALL things to Scripture which makes it the standard of truth.
2 Timothy 4:3-4: "Preach the Word; for the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." This shows good doctrine comes from Scripture alone and this instructs us to compare all things someone says against to the Word.
The Word being the standard of truth means when someone says anything it should be measured against it. If someone claims something as “truth,” but it is not in Scripture it makes them a liar based on these Scriptures. We do not add or change the Word- we surrender to it.
Wish you the best!
@@earthyandfree yes Allie was a better debater. George didn’t quote many verses that he should have to defend himself. What really needs to happen is for Allie to debate Tim Staples, a former Protestant pastor to converter to Catholicism. He is the one that could answer all of Allie’s questions and confusion about what Catholic truly believe
hallelujah Amen
Why then don't you do the Eucharist ? It's all over the New testament . So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. John 6; 53/57
Mrs. Farmer thank you for these discussions- you and your husband are blessed to have each other.
Mr. George hit the nail on the head....."people love to hate what they don't know about the Catholic church"
People have been HURT by this church.
@@winston2770 Yes, and by all other churches all over the world since Cain killed the Abel.
Catholics leave the church too though.
@@winston2770I hear you. But I’m there for me & God. Not the human.
I’m so blown away by George’s explanations which are so clear and concise. Backed up by history and the Bible
All a Christian needs to dispell any confusion is a simple "Thus sayeth the Lord" and my bible says "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." Ecclesiastes 9:5 .. So therefore, no need to pray for, or to dead people.
We are alive in Christ.