WOW! Talk about rightly dividing the Word of TRUTH!! We must research these words because old English sometimes doesn't have the same meaning as present day English. Thank you for opening my eyes to this in a deeper way.
Which of the goats were guilty and therefore deserved its fate? In fact, which animal AT ALL, under the Old Covenant sanctuary services that WAS NOT an innocent victim?
Amen - Truth is singular and brilliant and the more we search it with a humble heart asking the Holy Spirit to guide our search the clearer it will become. Ivor is speaking God’s Word ie he is speaking Truth. Amen.
You know .........we must be VERY VERY CAREFUL using words and expressing thoughts........this term "scapegoat are used so freely to proof a point ........I .....am guilty 100% using the term to to defense......and it even sounds right in the context.......but thank GOD.......this issue was stirred at the right moment......so we can have clarity about using the term "scapegoat"........thank you Pastor for your vibrance and energy and ......... everything having that conviction to tackle this issue and being bold and fearless taking your stand.......onward Christian soldiers..... marching into war.......with the cross of JESUS..........AMEN
Thx for the heart like Pastor Myers, your one of my favorite Pastors! Keep ministering for Christ my brother, can't wait to meet you in person, might be in the kingdom though lol.
Thunder said years ago he was done with Adventist but it's not easy to give up what gets you access into the evangelical circles - lying on SDA doctrinal views.
You can't say that the scapegoat is an innocent person because you can't apply a modern definition on an ancient text. The modern definition is based on the misinterpretation of the ancient text.
and Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22and the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
Wow a picture pops up in my mind, there is an important reason why satan exist. On the judgement day the sacrifice for sins and the scapegoat will be presented for those who repent their sins. 🤯 The day of atonement is the shadow type of judgment day?
Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords. The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
I've written three major volumes on SDA false doctrines. They are in their third year of publication now. Ivor Myers wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole. In fact, I have yet to see any SDA apologist or scholar with their salt even venture to meticulously refute them. All I've seen so far is dismissive video rants from Derrick Gillespie and other total SDA apologist clowns who neither I nor any sensible Christian take seriously. Ivor seems to be such a coward that he's scared to show my face and video and trying to dismiss my person. What joker.
No they don’t. She supports one view. I know what you’ll do next. Post the quote that doesn’t belong to her but ignore the many places she repeats that Satan is the scapegoat. Old. If she believes this, she would not have written over and over that Satan is the scapegoat.
@@powerofthelamb Ellen White contradicted herself on a whole lot more than just this scapegoat thing. And if that quote doesn't belong to her, who have you assigned it to?
@@ReverendThunder I'm just saying just be honest. If someone believes something, they are going to say it over and over. They are going to defend what they believe. You cannot with integrity say that Ellen White believe and turns around to believe the exact opposite of A. Not that this will make any difference to you, but please be informed by stopping to desperate arguments. "An Unusual Statement Manuscript 112, 1897, titled “Before Pilate and Herod,” is a 19-page typed document with typical ****editorial corrections by Ellen White’s secretaries (most of which were made by Maggie Hare), and stamped with “E. G. White” after the end of the content of page 19. This was the usual procedure in her office when making multiple carbon copies of an Ellen White manuscript. There are only three original typewritten copies of this manuscript. One of them contains all 19 pages, and the other two, including the file copy, end on page 17, ********with the last paragraph of page 17 cut off, and pages 18 and 19 omitted. The overall content of the deleted pages is not unusual except for the first paragraph of page 18, dealing specifically with the “scapegoat.” That paragraph reads as follows, Some apply the solemn type, the scape goat, to Satan. This is not correct. He cannot bear his own sins. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. He cannot be represented as the scape goat. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty awful recklessness, by the Satan inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, His blood be upon us and upon our children. Christ was the scape goat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into the wilderness. He alone, over whom death had no power, was able to bear our sins. 18 This 1897 statement departs completely from everything else Ellen White wrote on the subject either before (as confirmed by the quotations above); or later (as presented in the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy). In the 1911 edition, prepared under her own supervision, 19 she still spoke of the post-1844 era as the “antitypical day of atonement” 20 that will culminate with the final destruction of Satan, at the end of the 1,000 years of Revelation 20, as the antitypical “scapegoat.” 21 So there is no convincing reason to believe that she ever changed her mind on the subject. whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-scapegoat-asp/
@@powerofthelamb I've read, examined, and responded to this explanation in volume 1 of my book Hiding In Plain Sight. Something of this nature isn't new nor surprising to me about Ellen White. Ellen White is a contradictory conundrum. Her writings are rife with constantly contradicting herself on just about any issue she wrote on or plagiarized. But of course, this doesn't make a difference to you and your faith in her. However, we've done the homework and the information is available for anyone interested in investigating to see for themselves. And with the ease of access information these days, they have been seeing. But we don't expect true believers such as yourself to be budged by anything contrary to what you hold dearly.
The scapegoat was a part of the "sin offering" (Lev. 16:5), "made atonement" (vs. 10) bore the sins, transgressions and iniquities of the people (vs. 20-22), and cleansed the people of their sins (vs. 30), yet Satan is your scapegoat? 😬
Ok, I guess you are just trolling now. Troll away. When you come with an actual argument, let me know. By the way, care to concede that your definition of the “scapegoat” is incorrect?
@@powerofthelamb So my use and "definition" of "scapegoat" is incorrect but Ellen White uses the same "definition" and she's absolutely correct, right?
@@powerofthelamb since the scapegoat wasn't an innocent victim that took the blame and sins of others, can you list the sins that the scapegoat committed that would have made it guilty and worthy of its fate?
@@ReverendThunder Ellen White does not say the scapegoat represented an “innocent” victim. The word “innocent” changes the whole dynamic and again is foreign to the a tusl definition. It is not “scapegoat” but “escape goat”. It is fine to use the word but you must use the correct meaning of it in its original context not a later definition foreign to the context.
Innocent and Sinless have different meanings. Jesus was sinless, wherein man may be innocent of committing a sin, or violating the (2) great commandments, BUT MAN IS NOT SINLESS. What I didn't hear you elaborate on is the person that does take away the sins of the world? Surely you aren't saying that Satan has the sins of man placed upon him. Who then would you say redeemed man from the penalty of sin? Please see 1st Colossians 1:13-15, Hebrews 9:22, and Romans 10:9-10 are a few scriptures to be considered. I can't get past 1st Colossians 1:15 or John 1:1-29 (particularly vs 29).
Christ removed the virus of sin from man. Thus, he saved man. He puts the virus of sin on Satan at the end of time. Satan does not save man. Jesus does. But Satan will be destroyed by the sins he caused, and inspired. Like the serpent suffered for his role in leading Eve to sin.
@@powerofthelamb Thank you, Pastor Ivers. I agree that satan will be destroyed in the lake of fire (Revelations 20:10}, but if reading in context is this speaking to the deceit spoken of in (Revelations 20:7-9)? You also mentioned, "the serpent suffered for his role in leading Eve to sin". Just like the serpent was cursed for deceiving Eve, Eve and Adam were punished, as well (Genesis 3:13-19). Also, not only was satan cast into the lake of fire, but also death, hell, and those whose names aren't written in the Book of life. In other words, if sins were placed on satan, why isn't he alone being destroyed in the lake of fire?
@@pamelacaston8399 the wicked suffer for their own sins, but Satan will suffer for his role in their sins as well as his attempt to lead Gods people to sin.
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This is what it means to "do your homework" Well done!
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Thanks Pastor Iver. We need more Adventist apologetics. There’s an attack on the faith and we need to be equipped
WOW! Talk about rightly dividing the Word of TRUTH!! We must research these words because old English sometimes doesn't have the same meaning as present day English. Thank you for opening my eyes to this in a deeper way.
Thank you thank you thank you for explaining this.
Thank you Pastor Myers. My heart is on fire and my mind is blown. I'll be okay eventually. 🔥 📛 👩🚒 🚒 🧯 🎆 🥵 🙌
That was very interesting and good information thank you for sharing with us
I am following from Zambia ,been inspired by this lessons on the scapegoat God bless you Pastor.
more of these stand alone response videos, please!
Yes!!!
The watchmen always defending Gods word
Too God be the glory!!
Excellent response Pastor. Itoo have noticed the switch in the meaning of scapegoat
Which of the goats were guilty and therefore deserved its fate?
In fact, which animal AT ALL, under the Old Covenant sanctuary services that WAS NOT an innocent victim?
@@ReverendThunder The one with the “lot” or “judgement” passed on it.
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Amen - Truth is singular and brilliant and the more we search it with a humble heart asking the Holy Spirit to guide our search the clearer it will become. Ivor is speaking God’s Word ie he is speaking Truth. Amen.
I love you pastor myers!
Pastor has exposed a cunningly devised fable.
Amen! Great explanation Pastor!
Time to address feast days! Lol
Coming
At least there is others taking time to examine 💝🙏🙏.
Thank you Pastor
Amen! Thank you.
Excellent! Thank you!
You know .........we must be VERY VERY CAREFUL using words and expressing thoughts........this term "scapegoat are used so freely to proof a point ........I .....am guilty 100% using the term to to defense......and it even sounds right in the context.......but thank GOD.......this issue was stirred at the right moment......so we can have clarity about using the term "scapegoat"........thank you Pastor for your vibrance and energy and ......... everything having that conviction to tackle this issue and being bold and fearless taking your stand.......onward Christian soldiers..... marching into war.......with the cross of JESUS..........AMEN
Great work Pastor Myers.
Excellent Breakdown
Thx for the heart like Pastor Myers, your one of my favorite Pastors! Keep ministering for Christ my brother, can't wait to meet you in person, might be in the kingdom though lol.
Thank you!
Thunder said years ago he was done with Adventist but it's not easy to give up what gets you access into the evangelical circles - lying on SDA doctrinal views.
I know know that voice it’s elce
I wonder who planted the seed of misdirection to make the word mean the scapegoat is being unfairly blamed
The scapegoat probably. :)
You can't say that the scapegoat is an innocent person because you can't apply a modern definition on an ancient text.
The modern definition is based on the misinterpretation of the ancient text.
and Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22and the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:21-22
Can you look into the comparison of the lamb like beast in Revelation 13 representing the scapegoat? Thanks
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Wow a picture pops up in my mind, there is an important reason why satan exist. On the judgement day the sacrifice for sins and the scapegoat will be presented for those who repent their sins. 🤯
The day of atonement is the shadow type of judgment day?
Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords.
The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
I recognized that voice to be that of Elce Lauriston. He thinks he is a scholar but he just got schooled by pastor Ivor Meyers. Boom!!!
I've written three major volumes on SDA false doctrines. They are in their third year of publication now. Ivor Myers wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole. In fact, I have yet to see any SDA apologist or scholar with their salt even venture to meticulously refute them. All I've seen so far is dismissive video rants from Derrick Gillespie and other total SDA apologist clowns who neither I nor any sensible Christian take seriously.
Ivor seems to be such a coward that he's scared to show my face and video and trying to dismiss my person. What joker.
Ellen White's inspired statements support both the views 😮😢😂! What do you say for this?
No they don’t. She supports one view. I know what you’ll do next. Post the quote that doesn’t belong to her but ignore the many places she repeats that Satan is the scapegoat. Old. If she believes this, she would not have written over and over that Satan is the scapegoat.
@@powerofthelamb Ellen White contradicted herself on a whole lot more than just this scapegoat thing. And if that quote doesn't belong to her, who have you assigned it to?
@@ReverendThunder I'm just saying just be honest. If someone believes something, they are going to say it over and over. They are going to defend what they believe. You cannot with integrity say that Ellen White believe and turns around to believe the exact opposite of A. Not that this will make any difference to you, but please be informed by stopping to desperate arguments.
"An Unusual Statement
Manuscript 112, 1897, titled “Before Pilate and Herod,” is a 19-page typed document with typical ****editorial corrections by Ellen White’s secretaries (most of which were made by Maggie Hare), and stamped with “E. G. White” after the end of the content of page 19. This was the usual procedure in her office when making multiple carbon copies of an Ellen White manuscript. There are only three original typewritten copies of this manuscript. One of them contains all 19 pages, and the other two, including the file copy, end on page 17, ********with the last paragraph of page 17 cut off, and pages 18 and 19 omitted.
The overall content of the deleted pages is not unusual except for the first paragraph of page 18, dealing specifically with the “scapegoat.” That paragraph reads as follows,
Some apply the solemn type, the scape goat, to Satan. This is not correct. He cannot bear his own sins. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. He cannot be represented as the scape goat. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty awful recklessness, by the Satan inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, His blood be upon us and upon our children. Christ was the scape goat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into the wilderness. He alone, over whom death had no power, was able to bear our sins. 18
This 1897 statement departs completely from everything else Ellen White wrote on the subject either before (as confirmed by the quotations above); or later (as presented in the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy). In the 1911 edition, prepared under her own supervision, 19 she still spoke of the post-1844 era as the “antitypical day of atonement” 20 that will culminate with the final destruction of Satan, at the end of the 1,000 years of Revelation 20, as the antitypical “scapegoat.” 21 So there is no convincing reason to believe that she ever changed her mind on the subject.
whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-scapegoat-asp/
@@powerofthelamb I've read, examined, and responded to this explanation in volume 1 of my book Hiding In Plain Sight. Something of this nature isn't new nor surprising to me about Ellen White. Ellen White is a contradictory conundrum. Her writings are rife with constantly contradicting herself on just about any issue she wrote on or plagiarized. But of course, this doesn't make a difference to you and your faith in her. However, we've done the homework and the information is available for anyone interested in investigating to see for themselves. And with the ease of access information these days, they have been seeing. But we don't expect true believers such as yourself to be budged by anything contrary to what you hold dearly.
The scapegoat was a part of the "sin offering" (Lev. 16:5), "made atonement" (vs. 10) bore the sins, transgressions and iniquities of the people (vs. 20-22), and cleansed the people of their sins (vs. 30), yet Satan is your scapegoat? 😬
Ok, I guess you are just trolling now. Troll away. When you come with an actual argument, let me know. By the way, care to concede that your definition of the “scapegoat” is incorrect?
@@powerofthelamb So my use and "definition" of "scapegoat" is incorrect but Ellen White uses the same "definition" and she's absolutely correct, right?
@@powerofthelamb since the scapegoat wasn't an innocent victim that took the blame and sins of others, can you list the sins that the scapegoat committed that would have made it guilty and worthy of its fate?
@@ReverendThunder Ellen White does not say the scapegoat represented an “innocent” victim. The word “innocent” changes the whole dynamic and again is foreign to the a tusl definition. It is not “scapegoat” but “escape goat”. It is fine to use the word but you must use the correct meaning of it in its original context not a later definition foreign to the context.
@@ReverendThunder Neither goat committed so sins. They are goats. They “symbolize” something.
Innocent and Sinless have different meanings. Jesus was sinless, wherein man may be innocent of committing a sin, or violating the (2) great commandments, BUT MAN IS NOT SINLESS. What I didn't hear you elaborate on is the person that does take away the sins of the world? Surely you aren't saying that Satan has the sins of man placed upon him. Who then would you say redeemed man from the penalty of sin? Please see 1st Colossians 1:13-15, Hebrews 9:22, and Romans 10:9-10 are a few scriptures to be considered. I can't get past 1st Colossians 1:15 or John 1:1-29 (particularly vs 29).
Christ removed the virus of sin from man. Thus, he saved man. He puts the virus of sin on Satan at the end of time. Satan does not save man. Jesus does. But Satan will be destroyed by the sins he caused, and inspired. Like the serpent suffered for his role in leading Eve to sin.
@@powerofthelamb Thank you, Pastor Ivers. I agree that satan will be destroyed in the lake of fire (Revelations 20:10}, but if reading in context is this speaking to the deceit spoken of in (Revelations 20:7-9)? You also mentioned, "the serpent suffered for his role in leading Eve to sin". Just like the serpent was cursed for deceiving Eve, Eve and Adam were punished, as well (Genesis 3:13-19). Also, not only was satan cast into the lake of fire, but also death, hell, and those whose names aren't written in the Book of life. In other words, if sins were placed on satan, why isn't he alone being destroyed in the lake of fire?
@@pamelacaston8399 the wicked suffer for their own sins, but Satan will suffer for his role in their sins as well as his attempt to lead Gods people to sin.
@@powerofthelamb thank you sir!