This scapegoat view was presented originally by O.R.L Crosier’s interpretation of Leviticus 16 and was accepted and validated by a vision of EGW. From 1849-1890 she was consistent and held this interpretation, but in 1897 she says this, “Some apply the solemn type, the scapegoat, to Satan. THIS IS NOT CORRECT. HE CANNOT BEAR HIS OWN SINS. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. HE CANNOT BE REPRESENTED AS THE SCAPEGOAT. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty, awful recklessness, by the Satan-inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.” [Matthew 27:25.] CHRIST WAS THE SCAPEGOAT, WHICH THE TYPE REPRESENT. HE ALONE can be represented by the GOAT BORNE INTO WILDERNESS. HE ALONE, OVER WHOM DEATH HAD NO POWER, WAS ABLE TO BEAR OUR SINS. (Manuscript 112, 1897) Why the drastic change of position?
@@melissas.5814 so then how do we reconcile this? Also the fact the O.R.L crozier who originated this interpretation and EGW simply validating it through a vision later redacted on his position which by the way this is what crozier said regarding his exposition of the sanctuary, You ask, "Did you hold to the shut-door theory, that salvation was past, and that there was no more pardon for sinners?" I did. "And did . . . the author of the visions, and those who believed them, adopt these views?" They did; and were among the first to declare them and the most persistent in retaining and publishing them; and what is more, THEY MUST STILL HOLD THOSE VIEWS, BECAUSE THEY STILL ADHERE TO MY SANCTUARY EXPOSITION, WHICH WAS WRITTEN TO PROVE THE SHUT DOOR. They even make (or did make a few years ago,) a foolish excuse for the conversions that have occurred since the fall of 1844, viz., that the names of those millions of converts were borne into the holy of holies on the breastplate of the high priest on the 10th day of the 7th month in that year-most of them yet unborn! There was no hint of any such thing in the type.” So this exposition was made to PROVE the Shut Door which we know the pioneers believed and was validated again in a vision by EGW but then changed her position again on another vision. So now you have Miller recanting on his position of 1844 and Crozier on his exposition of the sanctuary doctrine that is used today to justify the false prediction of Christ Coming in 1844 that Crozier originally wrote to Justify the Shut Door Doctrine. Then later on became an Open door because of a “vision”.
@@a1phamatter595it is a change of position on paper. However, she continued to hold the belief after that satan was the scapegoat sent into the wilderness when she wrote “the great controversy” in 1911. This is from a copy of a manuscript that was prepared by a secretary. It was shortened compared to the original writings of egw and probably just a simple mistake since before and after egw continued to hold to this belief.
Thank you Lord for your truth. I pray the Lord opens the eyes of these false pastors like the one accusing SDAs of being a cult. This is sooo clear and true. Bless you Pastor Myers🥳💪🏽💪🏽
The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25. Hmm. Please help me out where Paul says satan had the sins of the world laid on him? I think it is a deserving question.
Two goats are presented look at Leviticus and see. Only one goat where the blood is spilled and dies for the sins and the other? Well it doesn't have stripes. It isnt beaten. It's not cut. It's not spit on. The priests put their hands on the scape goat. He is attributed all the sins he has caused throughout history. And cast out to a desolate place. This is to cleanse the sanctuary never to be remembered anymore. Justice doesn't come now but at the end of time.
@@cliffbailey6474be careful. Denying Jesus Christ blood. Im not sure what that could mean for you someone other than denying Jesus himself. Jesus Christ sacrifice was by his blood being shed. In orderfor you to believe in his blood it has to be shed over the horns of the alter of sacrifice? Jesus Christ on the cross was his sacrifice yes? And he says, it is finished. But then God says it is done at the end of time. So it then that sin and death are destroyed. Revelation 12:11. The scape goat sheds no blood. This is fact. At the end of time I am convinced Satan will pay for all the sin he has caused. Justice isn't now but at the end of time. There was no justice served at the cross. Only sacrifice and forgiveness of sins. But those sins still remain. They are in the garbage can but it hasn't been brought to a desolate place yet. Then. Garbage day 😁 God is Soo good beloved. You love God. is it so hard to believe he will serve out justice for you at the end of time and for all humanity? Justice on who. The accuser. The tempter. The deceiver. The serpent. Satan the scapegoat
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@peterpet77rp But Adventist can't see. SDA's gotcha question Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
@@morpeter76 “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46 Our sins laid on Jesus, as Azazel, HE bore the forsaken wilderness abandonment of the Father for us. This Scripture expresses the depth and horror of what Jesus was suffering. In that moment, Jesus was plunged into outer darkness away from the Father's presence to bear the sins of the world.
Leviticus 16:9 KJV - And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. Leviticus 16:15 KJV - Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: Hebrews 9:22 KJV - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. Azazel, in Jewish legends, a demon or evil spirit to whom, in the ancient rite of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), a scapegoat was sent bearing the sins of the Jewish people. Two male goats were chosen for the ritual, one designated by lots “for the Lord,” the other “for Azazel” (Leviticus 16:8). The ritual was carried out by the high priest in the Second Temple and is described in the Mishna. After the high priest symbolically transferred all the sins of the Jewish people to the scapegoat, the goat destined “for Azazel” was driven into the wilderness and cast over a precipice to its death. Azazel was the personification of uncleanness and in later rabbinic writings was sometimes described as a fallen angel. No blood remission of sins The blood went into the sanctuary He did not died Also, when you take lots you don't choose both for the same lot otherwise there is no need of lots
Wow! Pastor Myers!!! That was so powerful!!!! Thank you, Heavenly Father, for giving us the TRUTH through this study. Oh, Father, open the eyes of those in error and let not the error become a snare. In Jesus' name, Amen. 🙏🏻☺️❤️
Thank you Pastor. I realized that you did not use one EGW quote and that prove us SDAs the teachers, the students and the doers of the Word. Beautiful and happy Sabbath to you all, from Papua New Guinea.
Pastor Myers I have heard several studies on the scapegoat but I must say “I have never heard it so in depth” like you presented it well done you have done your job. All we can do now is pray these unlearned pastors will stop rejecting the true word of God and repent and stop leading people on the road of destruction.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@queentina47able SDA's gotcha question Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
You nailed it 💯 couldn't be any clearer ... You made it very clear that one goat represents Satan and one goat represents Jesus. There will be no one that can dispute what you have just presented. Well done! All glory to God 👏👏👏
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@@MrJay19703 Thank you for responding. Compare Revelation 20 and Leviticus 16. Was Azazel as pure as the Lord's goat? Could either goat been the Lord's goat? Was Azazel sent or banished or whatever term you want to use for 1000 years? Is wilderness, desert the same as a bottomless pit? Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was the Lord's goat killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus killed in the temple? Was the Lord's Jesus' Blood applied to the horns? Not one to one but types and shadows pointing the END RESULT to someone. Azazel represented "For I will forgive their iniquity(blood), and I will remember their sin no more(wilderness).” Hebrews 8:12, Jeremiah 31:34. Isaiah 43:25 ESV “I, I am he (not satan) who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Hebrews 10:17 ESV Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 1 John 1:9 ESV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 103:12 ESV As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. Jesus did both for us. Seems I have more Bible verses and it's more Glorifying of Christ than yours. Praise be to Yahweh Jesus Christ. Your knowledge doesn't change you. Jesus commanded; you must be Born Again John 3:3&7. Unless you are a New Creation 2 Corinthians 5:17 by the Born Again indwelling of the Holy Spirit which testifies. Otherwise, your faith is in vain. You'll know when you are Born Again, otherwise you're not. You must. Hope this helps.
@kindnesswins2025 SDA's gotcha question Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
@@CHUNIOR05 You have been misinformed. You should know you are supporting JWs who teach the same. Jesus Is Not an Angel In Hebrews 1-3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1-2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?” None including Michael.
Michael is called one of, one of, one of the chief princes. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).
This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The
Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18)
I encourage you to Trust in Jesus alone. There is abundant life serving King Jesus outside of Adventism, JW, LDS.
@@cliffbailey6474 nahh Cliff... you arent studying and applying scripture correctly . first of all, this teaching of Micheal the arch angel being Jesus isnt new. SDA's did not make that teaching up. study history. the SDA movement is in the prophetic timeline. i suggest listening to the sermon again...
@@CHUNIOR05 How so? Give me your scriptures and that will suffice. "isn't new" doesn't make it right so I continue. "SDA's did not make that teaching up", linking SDA with other cults (JW, LDS, Christadelphians, Church of Abrahamic Faith, etc) who believe as you do doesn't add credibility. I'm so glad I'm not stuck with your 1800s theology. Jude 9: We call on a higher authority “in the Name of Jesus” just as Michael HAD TO DO. Michael is a created being, Yes. Jesus doesn’t call on a higher authority or His own Name. Jesus is the highest authority. And NOT a created being, correct.
Jesus Is Not an Angel In Hebrews 1-3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1-2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?” Rhetorical Question: None, no angels including angel Michael.
Michael is called one of, one of, one of the chief princes. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).
This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18)
I encourage you to Trust in Jesus alone by Faith and be Born Again. There is abundant life serving King Jesus outside of Adventism, JW, LDS cults.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25. Hmm. Please help me out where Paul says satan had the sins of the world laid on him? I think it is a deserving question.
Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
In defense of this truth as presented by this pastor, I will say to the other opposing pastor (Eric Mason) to prove him wrong by defending your position from Scripture. A powerful message with a lot at stake to one’s salvation. Praise the Lord for His revelation of truth in His Word!
Hello, the Lord showed me this same thing about the casting of lots. It's really simpleand doesnt even take a lot of scripture to prove that the scapegoat is Satan🤷🏽♂️. I shared on other platforms but its a blessing to see pastor Myers and I are on the same page. Blessings and stay in the good fight of faith people of God🙏🏾
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@@irishclyde5624 I watched enough to know it was the same made up stuff since 1863. Compare Revelation 20 and Leviticus 16. Was Azazel as pure as the Lord's goat? Could either goat been the Lord's goat? Was Azazel sent or banished or whatever term you want to use for 1000 years? Is wilderness, desert the same as a bottomless pit? Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was the Lord's goat killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus killed in the temple? Was the Lord's Jesus' Blood applied to the horns? Not one to one but types and shadows pointing the END RESULT to someone. Azazel represented "For I will forgive their iniquity(blood), and I will remember their sin no more(wilderness).” Hebrews 8:12, Jeremiah 31:34. Isaiah 43:25 ESV “I, I am he (not satan) who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Hebrews 10:17 ESV Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 1 John 1:9 ESV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 103:12 ESV As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. Jesus did both for us. Seems I have more Bible verses and it's more Glorifying of Christ than yours. Praise be to Yahweh Jesus Christ. Your knowledge doesn't change you. Jesus commanded; you must be Born Again John 3:3&7. Unless you are a New Creation 2 Corinthians 5:17 by the Born Again indwelling of the Holy Spirit which testifies. Otherwise, your faith is in vain. You'll know when you are Born Again, otherwise you're not. You must. Hope this helps.
0:03 Pastor Myers, you should do a part 2 focusing on the fulfillment, the "type." Liviticus deals with the shadow of things to come. Revelation deals with the reality that will come
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Notice that Leviticus 16:10 says the scape goat was presented alive, unlike the Lord's goat, it was not killed, or sacrificed. Also it was let go into the wilderness, alive. This is fulfilled in Revelation 20 when the devil will be in the bottomless pit, alive, for a thousand years.
@@peterpet77rp Literally Azazel didn't come back, 1000 years isn't in Leviticus 16 that I read, wilderness isn't a bottomless pit. Please give me the chapter and page from the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. You are just making stuff up and you make Adventism look foolish.
Thank you for making the truth of Gods word plain and simple. My hope is that many who have been and may have been deceived will not be snatched out of our Savior's hands. What a blessing to have Pastors Myers resolute dedication and love toward all.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
I feel no one is listening to Adventists because we've been teaching truths for aeons, but I feel there is a grudge, hatred & bitterness for these truths on the rise, but we're knocking nonsense doctrine out of the parks and the pitchers don't like that..
I think it's also that most SDAs cannot explain why we believe what we believe, and others also don't even know about some of these doctrines, so when they hear someone say Adventists believe XYZ they say no, or cannot explain. It's sad. Just because someone it part of the SDA church means they know their Bibles
If we, formally known as "the people of the Book" were studied and settled in the Truth, these comments by other people and pastors would not matter in the least
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Fancied opinions. Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. Look it up. Azazel is Hebrew meaning entire removal. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
There are many who are out there to try to make the word of God of none effect. But God will desrroy them. 2 goats were chosen by lot, 1 accepted, the other rejected. The scapegoat only came into play after the service was over. This is totally for satan. Thks pastor for your teaching.
You said from the ductionary Probably the name of a demon. Was it the a demon? The same Leviticus 16 explains. Remember this was a ritual replaced by our Lord Jesus Christ when he died on Calvary. Remember all this Atonement in Leviticus 16 was done ANNUALLY. THAT IS EVERY YEAR. IT WAS NOT A PERMANENT SACRIFICE. When Christ died He suffered for sin ONCE FOR ALL.
I hope this message gets to Pastor Myers. I just want to add a spoiler alert to those who advocate Jesus work and atonement was finished at the cross. Adventist are severely criticized because we believe as the bible indicates that the ministry of Jesus continues in the heavenly courts above. I don't know if people think through their claims on this subject. It reveals a willful or blind ignorance to the sequence of events surrounding Jesus' atonement for sinners starting at the cross and culminating with the final eradication of sin depicted by the two goats. If people and preachers are claiming that the Scapegoat is Jesus, this belief completely contradicts their unfounded insistence that Jesus atonement was complete at the cross! Misrepresentations of the truth will always be uncovered and exposed. Pastor Myers, if you see any virtue in using this simple but reasonable counterpoint then please enlarge upon it.
Exactly! Many don’t understand that when Aaron walked out of the holy place, There was no more opportunity for cleansing forgiveness etc. as the Bible says “let those who are filthy be filthy still…” so when Jesus steps out from the heavenly sanctuary there is no more opportunity. The last person to be blamed is Satan and those that chose not to allow God to search their hearts…the parallels are so incredible. Thy way oh God is in the sanctuary is one of the most powerful verse in scripture as it truly shows us each step of Gods ministry start to finish.
@@BTics777 Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
Mike, let me ask you to consider this a different way. Salvation is necessary because of Satan. Jesus covers our sins, but he is not going to take the responsibility, blame, or guilt of them. When you use scapegoat today, how do you use it? Its the person who’s going to take the blame right? Thats what’s happening here, our sins are removed from Gods presence by heaping them on Satan. For us, our records are expunged. But Satan will carry them to his destruction. Its a transference from us, thru Jesus, to Satan. Cleansing the Sanctuary means removing the sins from it, the scapegoat was the mechanism to do so. Please know that none of us, to my knowledge, thinks Satan has anything to do with our Justification- other than being the reason we need it.
Correct. Satan has zero part in salvation. The scapegoat represents Satan… being lost …being guilty of all sin …receiving eternal death. The sacrificial goat (Jesus) died with our sin placed on Him, yet was innocent. The scapegoat was the one who died in sin… not sacrificed… outside the sanctuary…outside the possibility forgiveness… unpardonable sin =death in the wilderness
The scapegoat bore the responsibility of the sins of the people. In this type it shows how Satan is ultimately responsible for all the sins of every human. He will face the penalty and bear the blame for the sins he caused all others to fall into.
Hello Pastor Myers thank you soooo much for this message I truly thank God for the Holy Spirit that has given you the wisdom. I scanned the QR code but the message script that came up was "Give me Jesus" not Who is the scapegoat?
Great use of Hebrew 9 verse 28.according to Matthew Henry's commentary on the whole Bible is not adventist but states no rapture no second chances Jesus comes for his eith no more forgiveness of sin .it having been fully dispensed.
The bible is very clear as to whom the scapegoat is, regardless of what Ellen White has to say about the matter; fundamental. A bit surprising the man in the clip think it's Jesus, and that he's spreading this disinformation to the masses. Thank God for pastors such as Ivor Myers who can elucidate scripture in a clear and concise manner. Amen!
Actually both goats are a represented as a single sin offering (Leviticus 16:5). If the other goat is “Satan” how can this be when Satan is not perfect. All sin offerings are to be unblemished which means Both Goats need to be unblemished because it represents one single offering. Also what do we do with this statement from EGW in 1897, This scapegoat view was presented originally by O.R.L Crosier’s interpretation of Leviticus 16 and was accepted and validated by a vision of EGW. From 1849-1890 she was consistent and held this interpretation, but in 1897 she says this, “Some apply the solemn type, the scapegoat, to Satan. THIS IS NOT CORRECT. HE CANNOT BEAR HIS OWN SINS. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. HE CANNOT BE REPRESENTED AS THE SCAPEGOAT. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty, awful recklessness, by the Satan-inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.” [Matthew 27:25.] CHRIST WAS THE SCAPEGOAT, WHICH THE TYPE REPRESENT. HE ALONE can be represented by the GOAT BORNE INTO WILDERNESS. HE ALONE, OVER WHOM DEATH HAD NO POWER, WAS ABLE TO BEAR OUR SINS. (Manuscript 112, 1897) Why the drastic change of position?
The way I read and understand it is that both goats are without blemish, so it didn't matter which goat was chosen. The Lords goat was sacrificed and therefore couldn't be sent to the desert, so there was a need for another goat to take the sins away to the desert where azazel was. Maybe the sins were sent back to the devil but he obviously didn't represent the goat because how could he take the sins back to himself? Plus he is not without blemish. So I read it that Jesus represents both goats because He died on our behalf and took the sins away. Obviously God wouldn't want the sins sent to Him so maybe they were sent back to the devil.
"Sent back to the devil" is a good start. We know that Jesus did not go to the devil at his death or his resurrection. So the goat, must be "for" the devil, (taking the sins to him for him to bear the final punishment for sins in the lake of fire. I appreciate your openness to this topic.
@@powerofthelamb He descended into the depths of the Earth. Ephesians 4:9 CSB [9] But what does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower parts of the Earth.
@@RosalieScott-du5jn This is not a reference purgatory. This is a reference to Jesus coming down from heaven to earth. Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Yes but that says He came to earth not the lower parts of the Earth. Sounds like to me they are taking about different things. I mean lower parts of the Earth can't mean that He didn't stay on the mountain tops but went down to where the people are. So it must mean something else.
Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. Look it up. Azazel is Hebrew meaning entire removal. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
@@cliffbailey6474 The bible explains in Hebrews 13:14 that Jesus being sacrifice outside gate means "For we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come" The scape goat dies and goes no where. No where in the bible does it say Jesus the scape goat but instead Jesus the lamb slain. You even mentioned "the lamb to slaughter". Only ONE lamb was slaughtered. To slaughter is the butchering of live stock.
“My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46 Our sins laid on Jesus, as Azazel, HE bore the forsaken wilderness abandonment of the Father for us. This Scripture expresses the depth and horror of what Jesus was suffering. In that moment, Jesus was plunged into outer darkness away from the Father's presence to bear the sins of the world.
@@cliffbailey6474 "Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Mat 27:47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. Mat 27:48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. Mat 27:49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. " God forsook Jesus and then Jesus "died". Thats the Lord's goat, not the scapegoat. See Isa.53.
@@powerofthelamb Yep, I agree with you. WILL YOU SAY THESE VERSES REFER TO SATAN? Isaiah 53:11 As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES. (LORD'S GOAT) Isaiah 53:12 Yet He Himself BORE THE SIN of many, (AZAZEL) And INTERCEDED for the transgressors (all at the cross) ISN'T THAT BEAUTIFUL!!! Praise the LORD!!! Hebrews 9:28 so Christ, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. 1 Peter 2:24 CHRIST himself bore our sins on his body Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and carried away our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and carried away our pains WILL YOU SAY THESE VERSES REFER TO SATAN? I stand with Jesus. HE paid it all. Hebrews 10:12 says, "But when Christ had offered FOR ALL TIME a SINGLE SACRIFICE for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God" DO YOU SAY IT IS NOT FINISHED? Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ not Ellen, not your theology, not the "28" and be saved.
Praise God, thank you Lord Jesus, thank you Lord, i love you so much, please help me to actually love you the way to prescribe and help me obey your commandments in Your name i pray, amen. Thank you Pastor Ivor
Yes to terrorise himself for 1000 years as stated in the prophesy... Revelation 20:7 “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,”
Can you please help bring understanding to this ... (John 20:23 - If you forgive anyone's sins, they will be forgiven. But if you don't forgive their sins, they will not be forgiven.” ) because i have alot of Catholics thinking that this verse means that Jesus gave their Catholic priests the power to forgive their sins when they confess their sins, to them.
1 John 1:9 KJV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Confess your sins to Christ not to a priest who is sinner like yourself
Fancied opinions. Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. Look it up. Azazel is Hebrew meaning entire removal. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
@@cliffbailey6474 50 minutes were spent on the identity of Azazel being practically synonymous with the devil.. from Bible to satanic culture. You use the clear to define the unclear.
@@MrSneakSneak 50 min of opinions what do the NT writers and Jesus who where Jews tthat knew the law say is what maters. John 8:44 is Satan without blemish Lev 16;10?
@@MrSneakSneak Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
EGW said Christ is the scapegoat. See below “Christ was the Scapegoat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into wilderness. He alone, over whom death had not power, was able to bear our sins.” [See comment above.] 12LtMs, Ms 112, 1897, par. 47
This is deceptive. No she didn’t. Ellen White estates clearly states that there is no reason to believe Ellen White wrote this. Why stoop to this kind of tactic? You don’t believe anything Ellen White “said” anyway. And if you do believe what Ellen White said, look at all her statements which clear say that Satan is the scapegoat. Stop with the desperation attempts, the hail Mary’s. Funny that you left in the “See the comment above” part inserted by the White Estates. Why didn’t you include this part? Manuscript 112, 1897, titled “Before Pilate and Herod,” is a 19-page typed document with typical editorial corrections by Ellen White’s secretaries (most of which were made by Maggie Hare), and stamped with “E. G. White” after the end of the content of page 19. This was the usual procedure in her office when making multiple carbon copies of an Ellen White manuscript. There are only three original typewritten copies of this manuscript. One of them contains all 19 pages, and the other two, including the file copy, end on page 17, with the last paragraph of page 17 cut off, and pages 18 and 19 omitted. The overall content of the deleted pages is not unusual except for the first paragraph of page 18, dealing specifically with the “scapegoat.” That paragraph reads as follows, Some apply the solemn type, the scape goat, to Satan. This is not correct. He cannot bear his own sins. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. He cannot be represented as the scape goat. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty awful recklessness, by the Satan inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, His blood be upon us and upon our children. Christ was the scape goat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into the wilderness. He alone, over whom death had no power, was able to bear our sins. 18 This 1897 statement departs completely from everything else Ellen White wrote on the subject either before (as confirmed by the quotations above); or later (as presented in the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy). In the 1911 edition, prepared under her own supervision, 19 she still spoke of the post-1844 era as the “antitypical day of atonement” 20 that will culminate with the final destruction of Satan, at the end of the 1,000 years of Revelation 20, as the antitypical “scapegoat.” 21 So there is no convincing reason to believe that she ever changed her mind on the subject.” Why use deception?
"unfounded insistence that Jesus atonement was complete at the cross!" is what one SDA said to me. I asked him for the reference in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. God Jesus Christ said, "it is finished" not unfounded. Dare you argue with GOD? Here are some more verses that of course you will ignore: Romans 8:31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is FOR us, who can be against us?(rhetorical question) 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us ALL things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? (rhetorical question) It is God WHO JUSTIFIES. 34Who is there to condemn us?(rhetorical question) For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is AT THE RIGHT HAND (King is finished) of God-and He is INTERCEDING (HIGH PRIEST) FOR us. Can you feel it? Feel the Glory! Jesus was taken up into heaven and he sat at the RIGHT HAND of God. Mark 16:19 No IJ. The CROSS was the DAY of ATONEMENT. Matthew27:50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. John 19:30 Jesus said, “It is finished.” ... and gave up his spirit. Matthew 27:51And behold, the VEIL OF THE TEMPLE WAS TORN IN TWO from top to bottom; Me: I have NOW full access to the Most Holy Place in Christ. The temple is over, ended, TORN VEIL showed the Glory was gone and then destroyed in 70AD. I'm the temple now and HIS Spirit dwells in me. 1 Corinthians 3:16 Wow! Holy! Holy! Holy! Can you feel the Glory? Can you get this? Hebrews 10:12 says, "But when Christ had offered for ALL time a SINGLE sacrifice for sins, he SAT DOWN (THE KING has FINISHED HIS Work) at the RIGHT HAND of God" Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was offered ONCE to BEAR the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, APART(IT IS FINISHED) from sin, for salvation. I just love scripture. Steven: Acts 6:9 They began to argue with Stephen, 10but they could not stand up to his wisdom or the Spirit by whom he spoke. 56“Look,” Steven said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the RIGHT HAND of God.” No entering in, in 1844 but already in, at accension. Nothing happened in 1844, Jesus was already in the Holy of Holies God's presence. Whew! Wow! Feel the Glory! Some sincere Adventists, that have faith in Jesus, this will click inside. Hope this helps.
John 1:29-31 King James Version (KJV)The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
@brendarewan7441 Even so, I don't have the greatest spelling in the word even though I'm educated beyond the high-school level. However, he was completely incorrect about what SDA'S Believe.
@GospelPwrofSalvation, You completely and purposefully misquoted that article you were referring to, since you failed to also quote the following from the same article: Regardless of how this questionable passage became part of Manuscript 112, 1897, the statement should be viewed as exceptional. It does not provide a reason for anyone to fall into the dangerous fallacy of “generalization,” 22 by which one or a few exceptions are generalized as the overall rule. Ellen White’s writings provide enough evidences that, up to the end of her life, she continued to identify Satan as the eschatological scapegoat.
I’m SDA and believe Satan is Azazel, but I’m uncomfortable with some of the things presented. I wish it was correctly presented. Ritually, the goat was going “to” Azazel. While the goat could serve as a representative, the text is not saying Azazel is the name of the goat. That’s what our leading scholars say, e.g. Gane, Rodriguez, Shea. Second, when it comes to the lots, he is very narrow in his usage of lots. He picks and chooses verses and pulls in verses that have nothing to do with the Day of Atonement. Yes, the good and evil people have an allotted inheritance. But nowhere does it say that Azazel is the allotted inheritance of the wicked. Those verses are clearly pointing to heaven/hell, not which goat you belong to. Same with Mat. 24’s sheep/goat metaphor. There are no sheep in the ritual. All Jesus was doing was comparing the selection of the people to a shepherd, not at all to the day of atonement. Also, Pastor says that the goat does not atone for the people. The Lord’s goat only atones for the sanctuary, not the people. The people are never mentioned until the Azazel ritual. Read Lev. 16:33. The pattern shown mirrors the progression of the order of events: atonement for the sanctuary, tent of meeting, altar, and finally the people. That’s the exact order. Verses 16 and 18 sequentially walk through the first three, and the only one left is the people. The next thing that happens is related to the people. Also, when verse 10 says that atonement is upon the goat, that’s a misleading translation, which Adventist scholars have recognized. Adventist scholars have recognized that the goat is ritually clean and doesn’t need atonement. It’s atoning for the people. A ritual atonement is accomplished by a transfer of sin. In the rite the goat takes on the sins of the people, and in doing so atones for the people. What really needs to be addressed is whether the goat is the same as Azazel or not. The fact that the goat goes “to Azazel” indicated that the goat is not Azazel, and with that in mind, evangelicals often believe that the goat is Christ and Azazel is Satan. I’ve seen some connect it with Christ’s death and his “descent into hell” to the demons as one of the creeds says. Bear in mind we are preaching a sermon that doesn’t make sense if they don’t understand that the cleansing of the sanctuary is right before the second coming. Feel free to contact me if you’re wondering more; I’ve been studying this topic even before the Eric Mason debate began
Compare Revelation 20 and Leviticus 16. Was Azazel as pure as the Lord's goat? Could either goat been the Lord's goat? Was Azazel sent or banished or whatever term you want to use for 1000 years? Is wilderness, desert the same as a bottomless pit? Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was the Lord's goat killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus killed in the temple? Was the Lord's Jesus' Blood applied to the horns? Not one to one but types and shadows pointing the END RESULT to someone. Azazel represented "For I will forgive their iniquity(blood), and I will remember their sin no more(wilderness).” Hebrews 8:12, Jeremiah 31:34. Isaiah 43:25 ESV “I, I am he (not satan) who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Hebrews 10:17 ESV Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 1 John 1:9 ESV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 103:12 ESV As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. Jesus did both for us. Seems I have more Bible verses and it's more Glorifying of Christ than yours. Praise be to Yahweh Jesus Christ. Your knowledge doesn't change you. Jesus commanded; you must be Born Again John 3:3&7. Unless you are a New Creation 2 Corinthians 5:17 by the Born Again indwelling of the Holy Spirit which testifies. Otherwise, your faith is in vain. You'll know when you are Born Again, otherwise you're not. You must. Hope this helps.
It's a simple question! Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus. Jesus paid it ALL all to HIM I owe!
Jesus "banished" in the wilderness? Banished for forty days? This is funny. Did the scapegoat return from the wilderness? Seriously? This is why Babylon is full of confusion. It is like reasoning someone drunk on wine. Rev.18:1-4.
@@powerofthelamb Jesus was innocent sent like azazel. Azazel comparison: 2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he MADE HIM TO BE SIN who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. He fulfilled all righteousness. Sleep on it. It is the Word of God.
@@cliffbailey6474 As exemplified in the Lord's goat. Agreed. Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. The scapegoat was neither sticken, smitten, afflicted, wounded, or bruised. Sleep on it.
@@powerofthelamb You use Revelation 20 but where does it say in Leviticus 16 Azazel goes for 1000 years? Why can't I be as arbitrary as you are. Wilderness is a bottomless pit? I don't see that one in Lev16. Azazel sent out the same day as the LORD's goat is sacrificed. After Jesus' death on the cross, when was Satan sent out? Believe on the YAHWEH Jesus Christ and you will be saved. We keep all the commandments in Christ. “The law is fulfilled in us who walk not by the flesh but according to the Spirit” is a verse from the Bible, Romans 8:4 So freeing, no more confusion, just look to Jesus. Glory to HIS Name!
@@cliffbailey6474 Food for thought. The sacrifices that occur on the passover, the unleavened bread, firstfruits, Pentecost all point to Jesus death, yet Jesus did not die on Pentecost, nor did he die on the day of the feast of firstfruits, nor on the day of the feast of unleavened bread. With the exception of the Passover, none of the other feasts were fulfilled on the day Jesus died. You are not understanding the chronology of the feast days and how they unfold over a period of time, the last being the tabernacles which will be fulfilled at the very end of time. I'd encourage you to go back and study deeper. The Day of atonement points to events beyond and after passover, as in the death and resurrection of Christ.
Hebrews 2:16 says: For verily he (Jesus), took NOT on him the nature of angels; Michael is not Jesus. Jesus is not Michael. "Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind" (Colossians 2:18) The Bible specifically says don’t worship angels it disqualifies you and Ellen's Adventism and your partner cults Jw's and LDS for making preincarnate Jehovah Jesus (Isa 9:6 & 10:21) a created angel. The freedom of Truth is liberating in Christ Jesus. Matthew 11:28-29
Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD . LEVTICUS 16:10 , " 10But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. Jesus wasn't dead when HE said: “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46 Our sins laid on Jesus, as Azazel, HE bore the forsaken wilderness abandonment of the Father for us. This Scripture expresses the depth and horror of what Jesus was suffering. In that moment, Jesus was plunged into outer darkness away from the Father's presence to bear the sins of the world The FATHER turned away and left the SON alone as Azazel was left alone bearing our sin. NONE of Adventist's colorful arguments for satan being Azazel is one to one. Not even close. NO, it's the type and shadow principle END RESULT. This is so powerful. You are sincere, yet you are defending, deceiving SDA leaders. The Truth, the 2 unblemished goats were sacrificed and sent the SAME DAY. It happened the same "day" hence called the "DAY" of Atonement. Christ's single day, single sacrifice, Finished Work. Veil split in two. No more temple needed. No Ellen Gap theory.
To sincere Adventists: Jesus is King and High Priest Romans 8:34 .....is at the right hand of God-and He is interceding for us. he, Jesus, entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. Hebrews 9:24 Goodbye 1844 & IJ. Awesome Word! his name is the Word of God Revelation 19:13 “You, Jesus, are a priest FOREVER in the order of Melchizedek.” Hebrews 7:17
on his thigh....king of kings and lord of lords. Revelation 19:16 Wow! Feel it! Holy, Holy, Holy is the LORD! Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” Revelation 7:14
I thought you were supposed To agree with Ellen White. The final interpreter for your denomination and the reason you’re classified as a cult, well Here are her thoughts. Your girl Ellen W. does not agree. 😅 “Some apply the solemn type, the scape goat, to Satan. This is not correct. He cannot bear his own sins. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. He cannot be represented as the scape goat…Christ was the scape goat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into the wilderness. He alone, over whom death had no power, was able to bear our sins” (The Scapegoat in the Writings of Ellen G. White, Alberto R. Timm, Ellen White Estate, [Accessed from internet on Oct 26, 2013]; Manuscript 112, 1897).
You deceitfully took Ellen G. White's quote from the article as since you failed to also quote the following from the same article: Regardless of how this questionable passage became part of Manuscript 112, 1897, the statement should be viewed as exceptional. It does not provide a reason for anyone to fall into the dangerous fallacy of “generalization,” 22 by which one or a few exceptions are generalized as the overall rule. Ellen White’s writings provide enough evidences that, up to the end of her life, she continued to identify Satan as the eschatological scapegoat.
Even in your language shows a certain kind of pride, sarcasm, mocking ,and arrogance from your heart rather than a genuine dialogue to just come together to learn and try to understand the truth. And show respect even if we may agree to disagree. May the Lord judge between you and me. God bless you and much love to you and your family. From out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
And he shall take from the congregation of Israel two male goats for A SIN Offering. Leviticus 16:5 How does that read to you? The 2 goats together equaled one sin offering. In the ritual of Day of Atonement, Azazel meaning "entire removal" of sin and guilt from sacred places into desert on back of goat, symbolized of entire forgiveness. v21Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it ALL the iniquities of the children of Israel, and ALL their transgressions, concerning ALL their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22The goat shall bear on itself ALL their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. The text points out 2 goats illustrated what Jesus did for us as our one and only sinless sacrifice. This is Beautiful! Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases. Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and carried away our pains. Praise His Name Forever!
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This message was soooo CRYSTAL CLEAR that you would have to be illiterate not to see it.
Amen!
Or demon possessed
I hope that pastor watches and sees through this study and accepts the truth with understanding now
He won’t. Pride will get in the way.
I will still pray for him anyway!
This scapegoat view was presented originally by O.R.L Crosier’s interpretation of Leviticus 16 and was accepted and validated by a vision of EGW. From 1849-1890 she was consistent and held this interpretation, but in 1897 she says this,
“Some apply the solemn type, the scapegoat, to Satan. THIS IS NOT CORRECT. HE CANNOT BEAR HIS OWN SINS. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. HE CANNOT BE REPRESENTED AS THE SCAPEGOAT. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty, awful recklessness, by the Satan-inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.” [Matthew 27:25.] CHRIST WAS THE SCAPEGOAT, WHICH THE TYPE REPRESENT. HE ALONE can be represented by the GOAT BORNE INTO WILDERNESS. HE ALONE, OVER WHOM DEATH HAD NO POWER, WAS ABLE TO BEAR OUR SINS. (Manuscript 112, 1897)
Why the drastic change of position?
@@melissas.5814 so then how do we reconcile this? Also the fact the O.R.L crozier who originated this interpretation and EGW simply validating it through a vision later redacted on his position which by the way this is what crozier said regarding his exposition of the sanctuary,
You ask, "Did you hold to the shut-door theory, that salvation was past, and that there was no more pardon for sinners?" I did.
"And did . . . the author of the visions, and those who believed them, adopt these views?" They did; and were among the first to declare them and the most persistent in retaining and publishing them; and what is more, THEY MUST STILL HOLD THOSE VIEWS, BECAUSE THEY STILL ADHERE TO MY SANCTUARY EXPOSITION, WHICH WAS WRITTEN TO PROVE THE SHUT DOOR. They even make (or did make a few years ago,) a foolish excuse for the conversions that have occurred since the fall of 1844, viz., that the names of those millions of converts were borne into the holy of holies on the breastplate of the high priest on the 10th day of the 7th month in that year-most of them yet unborn! There was no hint of any such thing in the type.”
So this exposition was made to PROVE the Shut Door which we know the pioneers believed and was validated again in a vision by EGW but then changed her position again on another vision.
So now you have Miller recanting on his position of 1844 and Crozier on his exposition of the sanctuary doctrine that is used today to justify the false prediction of Christ Coming in 1844 that Crozier originally wrote to Justify the Shut Door Doctrine. Then later on became an Open door because of a “vision”.
@@a1phamatter595it is a change of position on paper. However, she continued to hold the belief after that satan was the scapegoat sent into the wilderness when she wrote “the great controversy” in 1911. This is from a copy of a manuscript that was prepared by a secretary. It was shortened compared to the original writings of egw and probably just a simple mistake since before and after egw continued to hold to this belief.
Thank you Lord for your truth. I pray the Lord opens the eyes of these false pastors like the one accusing SDAs of being a cult. This is sooo clear and true. Bless you Pastor Myers🥳💪🏽💪🏽
The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25. Hmm. Please help me out where Paul says satan had the sins of the world laid on him? I think it is a deserving question.
Two goats are presented look at Leviticus and see. Only one goat where the blood is spilled and dies for the sins and the other? Well it doesn't have stripes. It isnt beaten. It's not cut. It's not spit on. The priests put their hands on the scape goat. He is attributed all the sins he has caused throughout history. And cast out to a desolate place. This is to cleanse the sanctuary never to be remembered anymore. Justice doesn't come now but at the end of time.
@@Zigzig7777 Thank you. Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was it killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus blood put on the horns? Just asking.
@@cliffbailey6474be careful. Denying Jesus Christ blood. Im not sure what that could mean for you someone other than denying Jesus himself. Jesus Christ sacrifice was by his blood being shed. In orderfor you to believe in his blood it has to be shed over the horns of the alter of sacrifice? Jesus Christ on the cross was his sacrifice yes? And he says, it is finished. But then God says it is done at the end of time. So it then that sin and death are destroyed. Revelation 12:11. The scape goat sheds no blood. This is fact. At the end of time I am convinced Satan will pay for all the sin he has caused. Justice isn't now but at the end of time. There was no justice served at the cross. Only sacrifice and forgiveness of sins. But those sins still remain. They are in the garbage can but it hasn't been brought to a desolate place yet. Then. Garbage day 😁 God is Soo good beloved. You love God. is it so hard to believe he will serve out justice for you at the end of time and for all humanity? Justice on who. The accuser. The tempter. The deceiver. The serpent. Satan the scapegoat
This message was so clear that even Ray Charles could see it.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@peterpet77rp But Adventist can't see. SDA's gotcha question Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
@cliffbailey6474 when Jesus was talking to the wilderness who was their to tempt him
Let go of your false narratives and come to the true Christ 🙏🙏🙏
@@morpeter76 “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46 Our sins laid on Jesus, as Azazel, HE bore the forsaken wilderness abandonment of the Father for us.
This Scripture expresses the depth and horror of what Jesus was suffering. In that moment, Jesus was plunged into outer darkness away from the Father's presence to bear the sins of the world.
Leviticus 16:9 KJV - And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Leviticus 16:15 KJV - Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
Hebrews 9:22 KJV - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Azazel, in Jewish legends, a demon or evil spirit to whom, in the ancient rite of Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), a scapegoat was sent bearing the sins of the Jewish people. Two male goats were chosen for the ritual, one designated by lots “for the Lord,” the other “for Azazel” (Leviticus 16:8). The ritual was carried out by the high priest in the Second Temple and is described in the Mishna. After the high priest symbolically transferred all the sins of the Jewish people to the scapegoat, the goat destined “for Azazel” was driven into the wilderness and cast over a precipice to its death. Azazel was the personification of uncleanness and in later rabbinic writings was sometimes described as a fallen angel.
No blood remission of sins
The blood went into the sanctuary
He did not died
Also, when you take lots you don't choose both for the same lot otherwise there is no need of lots
How can i join the power of lamb ministry? Id like to follow studys and all that this church has to offer
Wow! Pastor Myers!!! That was so powerful!!!! Thank you, Heavenly Father, for giving us the TRUTH through this study. Oh, Father, open the eyes of those in error and let not the error become a snare. In Jesus' name, Amen. 🙏🏻☺️❤️
Thank you Pastor. I realized that you did not use one EGW quote and that prove us SDAs the teachers, the students and the doers of the Word. Beautiful and happy Sabbath to you all, from Papua New Guinea.
Pastor Myers I have heard several studies on the scapegoat but I must say “I have never heard it so in depth” like you presented it well done you have done your job. All we can do now is pray these unlearned pastors will stop rejecting the true word of God and repent and stop leading people on the road of destruction.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@queentina47able SDA's gotcha question Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
You nailed it 💯 couldn't be any clearer ... You made it very clear that one goat represents Satan and one goat represents Jesus. There will be no one that can dispute what you have just presented. Well done! All glory to God 👏👏👏
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Revelations 20
@@MrJay19703 Thank you. Lev. 16 was Azazel banished, sent away, whatever you want to use for 1000 years? Just asking
@@MrJay19703 Thank you for responding. Compare Revelation 20 and Leviticus 16. Was Azazel as pure as the Lord's goat? Could either goat been the Lord's goat? Was Azazel sent or banished or whatever term you want to use for 1000 years? Is wilderness, desert the same as a bottomless pit? Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was the Lord's goat killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus killed in the temple? Was the Lord's Jesus' Blood applied to the horns? Not one to one but types and shadows pointing the END RESULT to someone. Azazel represented "For I will forgive their iniquity(blood), and I will remember their sin no more(wilderness).” Hebrews 8:12, Jeremiah 31:34. Isaiah 43:25 ESV
“I, I am he (not satan) who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Hebrews 10:17 ESV Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 1 John 1:9 ESV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 103:12 ESV As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. Jesus did both for us. Seems I have more Bible verses and it's more Glorifying of Christ than yours. Praise be to Yahweh Jesus Christ.
Your knowledge doesn't change you. Jesus commanded; you must be Born Again John 3:3&7. Unless you are a New Creation 2 Corinthians 5:17 by the Born Again indwelling of the Holy Spirit which testifies. Otherwise, your faith is in vain. You'll know when you are Born Again, otherwise you're not. You must. Hope this helps.
This is a wonderful presentation! Truth always brings light!💯
Michael is Jesus
@kindnesswins2025 SDA's gotcha question Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
@@CHUNIOR05 You have been misinformed. You should know you are supporting JWs who teach the same. Jesus Is Not an Angel
In Hebrews 1-3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1-2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?” None including Michael.
Michael is called one of, one of, one of the chief princes.
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).
This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The
Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18)
I encourage you to Trust in Jesus alone. There is abundant life serving King Jesus outside of Adventism, JW, LDS.
@@cliffbailey6474 nahh Cliff... you arent studying and applying scripture correctly . first of all, this teaching of Micheal the arch angel being Jesus isnt new. SDA's did not make that teaching up. study history. the SDA movement is in the prophetic timeline. i suggest listening to the sermon again...
@@CHUNIOR05 How so? Give me your scriptures and that will suffice.
"isn't new" doesn't make it right so I continue. "SDA's did not make that teaching up", linking SDA with other cults (JW, LDS, Christadelphians, Church of Abrahamic Faith, etc) who believe as you do doesn't add credibility. I'm so glad I'm not stuck with your 1800s theology.
Jude 9: We call on a higher authority “in the Name of Jesus” just as Michael HAD TO DO. Michael is a created being, Yes.
Jesus doesn’t call on a higher authority or His own Name. Jesus is the highest authority. And NOT a created being, correct.
Jesus Is Not an Angel
In Hebrews 1-3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1-2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?” Rhetorical Question: None, no angels including angel Michael.
Michael is called one of, one of, one of the chief princes.
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).
This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself.
The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18)
I encourage you to Trust in Jesus alone by Faith and be Born Again. There is abundant life serving King Jesus outside of Adventism, JW, LDS cults.
Thank you Pastor Myres for all your hard work! Praise the Lord for it!
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Praise God! Thank you for the wonderful sermon/Bible study.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Pastor, this was masterfully done. The spirit of God is truly within you 🙏 ❤️
The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25. Hmm. Please help me out where Paul says satan had the sins of the world laid on him? I think it is a deserving question.
Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
The truth shall set us free for sure. Thanks pastor
In defense of this truth as presented by this pastor, I will say to the other opposing pastor (Eric Mason) to prove him wrong by defending your position from Scripture. A powerful message with a lot at stake to one’s salvation. Praise the Lord for His revelation of truth in His Word!
Hello, the Lord showed me this same thing about the casting of lots. It's really simpleand doesnt even take a lot of scripture to prove that the scapegoat is Satan🤷🏽♂️. I shared on other platforms but its a blessing to see pastor Myers and I are on the same page. Blessings and stay in the good fight of faith people of God🙏🏾
They wanna worship Azazell And won't accept Michael as another name for Jesus..😵💫
This comment wins!
Woah 😯
Great comment 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Woww
By beholding the truth Babylon will fall
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Thank you so much Pastor. I understand it better now. Shabbat Shalom🙏🙏🙏
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
@cliffbailey6474 tell me u havent watched the video without telling me. Please watch the video before commenting here.
@@irishclyde5624 I watched enough to know it was the same made up stuff since 1863.
Compare Revelation 20 and Leviticus 16. Was Azazel as pure as the Lord's goat? Could either goat been the Lord's goat? Was Azazel sent or banished or whatever term you want to use for 1000 years? Is wilderness, desert the same as a bottomless pit? Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was the Lord's goat killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus killed in the temple? Was the Lord's Jesus' Blood applied to the horns? Not one to one but types and shadows pointing the END RESULT to someone. Azazel represented "For I will forgive their iniquity(blood), and I will remember their sin no more(wilderness).” Hebrews 8:12, Jeremiah 31:34. Isaiah 43:25 ESV
“I, I am he (not satan) who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Hebrews 10:17 ESV Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 1 John 1:9 ESV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 103:12 ESV As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. Jesus did both for us. Seems I have more Bible verses and it's more Glorifying of Christ than yours. Praise be to Yahweh Jesus Christ.
Your knowledge doesn't change you. Jesus commanded; you must be Born Again John 3:3&7. Unless you are a New Creation 2 Corinthians 5:17 by the Born Again indwelling of the Holy Spirit which testifies. Otherwise, your faith is in vain. You'll know when you are Born Again, otherwise you're not. You must. Hope this helps.
0:03 Pastor Myers, you should do a part 2 focusing on the fulfillment, the "type."
Liviticus deals with the shadow of things to come. Revelation deals with the reality that will come
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Notice that Leviticus 16:10 says the scape goat was presented alive, unlike the Lord's goat, it was not killed, or sacrificed.
Also it was let go into the wilderness, alive.
This is fulfilled in Revelation 20 when the devil will be in the bottomless pit, alive, for a thousand years.
@@peterpet77rp Literally Azazel didn't come back, 1000 years isn't in Leviticus 16 that I read, wilderness isn't a bottomless pit.
Please give me the chapter and page from the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.
You are just making stuff up and you make Adventism look foolish.
Great presentation on this topic.
Ohhhh, I get it now. Thanks brother
Thank you for making the truth of Gods word plain and simple. My hope is that many who have been and may have been deceived will not be snatched out of our Savior's hands. What a blessing to have Pastors Myers resolute dedication and love toward all.
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
1:16:00 the connections are so incredible! From past present and future typologies, Thank you for this wonderful study!!!
I feel no one is listening to Adventists because we've been teaching truths for aeons, but I feel there is a grudge, hatred & bitterness for these truths on the rise, but we're knocking nonsense doctrine out of the parks and the pitchers don't like that..
I think it's also that most SDAs cannot explain why we believe what we believe, and others also don't even know about some of these doctrines, so when they hear someone say Adventists believe XYZ they say no, or cannot explain. It's sad. Just because someone it part of the SDA church means they know their Bibles
If we, formally known as "the people of the Book" were studied and settled in the Truth, these comments by other people and pastors would not matter in the least
we wrestle not against flesh and blood.....
Great study. Thank you
Merciful Father in heaven, cover your servant with the blood of Jesus...
🙌🏾 Thank you 🙏🏾
Thank you Pastor, you made the lesson very clear. I choose the Lord's goat.😊
The evidence is on point Pastor. Glory to God
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
True message sir keep going bro Maurice Campbell/ Jamaica roots 👌 🙌 💪 👍 👏
God bless the Gospel message!
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Enjoyed this Bible study about the scapegoat thank you very much for sharing God’s point aview
Amen and Amen!
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
May God continue to lead you my brother 🙏
I love SDA it is the truth church
Fancied opinions. Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. Look it up. Azazel is Hebrew meaning entire removal. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
@@cliffbailey6474 Did you listen or study this sermon? Who worships Mrs White? This was a BIBLE study.
This is powerful
A bunch of fancied opinions. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Paul and NT writers explain the OT types and shadows for us. Please help me, where in the NT is satan bearing our sins?
Haha😂 I like that statement that the word is so clear that even Ray Charles could see it
It’s interesting to note that the scapegoat was Cast down , or Thrown down or the cliff!🤔
There are many who are out there to try to make the word of God of none effect. But God will desrroy them. 2 goats were chosen by lot, 1 accepted, the other rejected. The scapegoat only came into play after the service was over. This is totally for satan. Thks pastor for your teaching.
A Jewish legend so true. A LEGEND Azazel was banished to its original source.
Yes, scapegoat was cast down for Iarael's sin
The book of Enoch is not a book of the Bible
You said from the ductionary Probably the name of a demon. Was it the a demon? The same Leviticus 16 explains.
Remember this was a ritual replaced by our Lord Jesus Christ when he died on Calvary.
Remember all this Atonement in Leviticus 16 was done ANNUALLY. THAT IS EVERY YEAR. IT WAS NOT A PERMANENT SACRIFICE. When Christ died He suffered for sin ONCE FOR ALL.
The way he says sleepy mode!
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May the Lord our God bless you abundantly
I hope this message gets to Pastor Myers. I just want to add a spoiler alert to those who advocate Jesus work and atonement was finished at the cross. Adventist are severely criticized because we believe as the bible indicates that the ministry of Jesus continues in the heavenly courts above. I don't know if people think through their claims on this subject. It reveals a willful or blind ignorance to the sequence of events surrounding Jesus' atonement for sinners starting at the cross and culminating with the final eradication of sin depicted by the two goats. If people and preachers are claiming that the Scapegoat is Jesus, this belief completely contradicts their unfounded insistence that Jesus atonement was complete at the cross!
Misrepresentations of the truth will always be uncovered and exposed. Pastor Myers, if you see any virtue in using this simple but reasonable counterpoint then please enlarge upon it.
Absolutely.
AMEN 🔥
Exactly! Many don’t understand that when Aaron walked out of the holy place, There was no more opportunity for cleansing forgiveness etc. as the Bible says “let those who are filthy be filthy still…” so when Jesus steps out from the heavenly sanctuary there is no more opportunity. The last person to be blamed is Satan and those that chose not to allow God to search their hearts…the parallels are so incredible. Thy way oh God is in the sanctuary is one of the most powerful verse in scripture as it truly shows us each step of Gods ministry start to finish.
Amen and Glory to God our Heavenly Father.
@@BTics777 Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
If you said Satan scale goat, Blasphemy!!!!!! In no way Satan has part in salvation none!!!!!!!
Mike, let me ask you to consider this a different way. Salvation is necessary because of Satan. Jesus covers our sins, but he is not going to take the responsibility, blame, or guilt of them. When you use scapegoat today, how do you use it? Its the person who’s going to take the blame right? Thats what’s happening here, our sins are removed from Gods presence by heaping them on Satan. For us, our records are expunged. But Satan will carry them to his destruction. Its a transference from us, thru Jesus, to Satan. Cleansing the Sanctuary means removing the sins from it, the scapegoat was the mechanism to do so. Please know that none of us, to my knowledge, thinks Satan has anything to do with our Justification- other than being the reason we need it.
What are you saying?
Correct. Satan has zero part in salvation. The scapegoat represents Satan… being lost …being guilty of all sin …receiving eternal death.
The sacrificial goat (Jesus) died with our sin placed on Him, yet was innocent.
The scapegoat was the one who died in sin… not sacrificed… outside the sanctuary…outside the possibility forgiveness… unpardonable sin =death in the wilderness
@@bryanbriby8191 He is saying he didn’t listen to the video. He didn’t study to show any point. He is just saying to be saying.
The scapegoat bore the responsibility of the sins of the people. In this type it shows how Satan is ultimately responsible for all the sins of every human. He will face the penalty and bear the blame for the sins he caused all others to fall into.
Amen , Amen , Amen.
Help me out, is satan without blemish?
Amen
Amen 🙏🏽
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Satan do not and cannot have a part in the atonement process.
Both goats had to be pure.
Amen amen
Was there a lamb? And a Goat?
Hello, would anyone be willing to send me a copy of the pdf? The links below aren't working. Thanks in advance.
Very good. Very good. Thank you. The Word has spoken. Satan is the scapegoat.
Hello Pastor Myers thank you soooo much for this message I truly thank God for the Holy Spirit that has given you the wisdom. I scanned the QR code but the message script that came up was "Give me Jesus" not Who is the scapegoat?
Updates slides are on the comments
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Pastor-Where can I download the slides?
I received the wrong slides through the attached QR code
Glory to God Almighty
Great use of Hebrew 9 verse 28.according to Matthew Henry's commentary on the whole Bible is not adventist but states no rapture no second chances Jesus comes for his eith no more forgiveness of sin .it having been fully dispensed.
The bible is very clear as to whom the scapegoat is, regardless of what Ellen White has to say about the matter; fundamental. A bit surprising the man in the clip think it's Jesus, and that he's spreading this disinformation to the masses. Thank God for pastors such as Ivor Myers who can elucidate scripture in a clear and concise manner. Amen!
The LORDS GOAT
Actually both goats are a represented as a single sin offering (Leviticus 16:5). If the other goat is “Satan” how can this be when Satan is not perfect. All sin offerings are to be unblemished which means Both Goats need to be unblemished because it represents one single offering.
Also what do we do with this statement from EGW in 1897,
This scapegoat view was presented originally by O.R.L Crosier’s interpretation of Leviticus 16 and was accepted and validated by a vision of EGW. From 1849-1890 she was consistent and held this interpretation, but in 1897 she says this,
“Some apply the solemn type, the scapegoat, to Satan. THIS IS NOT CORRECT. HE CANNOT BEAR HIS OWN SINS. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. HE CANNOT BE REPRESENTED AS THE SCAPEGOAT. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty, awful recklessness, by the Satan-inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, “His blood be upon us and upon our children.” [Matthew 27:25.] CHRIST WAS THE SCAPEGOAT, WHICH THE TYPE REPRESENT. HE ALONE can be represented by the GOAT BORNE INTO WILDERNESS. HE ALONE, OVER WHOM DEATH HAD NO POWER, WAS ABLE TO BEAR OUR SINS. (Manuscript 112, 1897)
Why the drastic change of position?
The way I read and understand it is that both goats are without blemish, so it didn't matter which goat was chosen. The Lords goat was sacrificed and therefore couldn't be sent to the desert, so there was a need for another goat to take the sins away to the desert where azazel was. Maybe the sins were sent back to the devil but he obviously didn't represent the goat because how could he take the sins back to himself? Plus he is not without blemish. So I read it that Jesus represents both goats because He died on our behalf and took the sins away. Obviously God wouldn't want the sins sent to Him so maybe they were sent back to the devil.
"Sent back to the devil" is a good start. We know that Jesus did not go to the devil at his death or his resurrection. So the goat, must be "for" the devil, (taking the sins to him for him to bear the final punishment for sins in the lake of fire. I appreciate your openness to this topic.
@@powerofthelamb He descended into the depths of the Earth.
Ephesians 4:9 CSB
[9] But what does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower parts of the Earth.
@@RosalieScott-du5jn This is not a reference purgatory. This is a reference to Jesus coming down from heaven to earth.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Yes but that says He came to earth not the lower parts of the Earth. Sounds like to me they are taking about different things.
I mean lower parts of the Earth can't mean that He didn't stay on the mountain tops but went down to where the people are. So it must mean something else.
DON'T make assumptions. JUST provide proof by using the texts.
Dr. Mason mentioned a debate with SDA apologists. Do you know anything about it? Are you invited? Someone needs to teach him the truth.
Debates are a futile exercise.
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Hope they see who's always been deceived, and who's doctrine is flawed and based on no solid foundation. God's truth is bulletproof.
The goat that died cleance the sins of the children of iseral. but the sins of the people was placed on the scape goat
Interested study. what does scapegoat mean. and also him (scapegoat) .being sent into the wilderness .what does wilderness represent
A deserted place,where no inhabitants is
Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. Look it up. Azazel is Hebrew meaning entire removal. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
@@cliffbailey6474 The bible explains in Hebrews 13:14 that Jesus being sacrifice outside gate means "For we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come" The scape goat dies and goes no where. No where in the bible does it say Jesus the scape goat but instead Jesus the lamb slain. You even mentioned "the lamb to slaughter". Only ONE lamb was slaughtered. To slaughter is the butchering of live stock.
A dicision s to be made
7 satan is never inocent.
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“My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46 Our sins laid on Jesus, as Azazel, HE bore the forsaken wilderness abandonment of the Father for us.
This Scripture expresses the depth and horror of what Jesus was suffering. In that moment, Jesus was plunged into outer darkness away from the Father's presence to bear the sins of the world.
He said this on the cross. And then he died. Like the Lords goat. He did not “escape”. He was not “let go”.
@@powerofthelamb Jesus was abandoned by the Father just as Azazel was abandoned. If you can grasp that. Satan is going for a swim.
@@cliffbailey6474 "Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mat 27:47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.
Mat 27:48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.
Mat 27:49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.
Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. "
God forsook Jesus and then Jesus "died". Thats the Lord's goat, not the scapegoat. See Isa.53.
@@powerofthelamb Yep, I agree with you. WILL YOU SAY THESE VERSES REFER TO SATAN?
Isaiah 53:11
As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will BEAR THEIR INIQUITIES. (LORD'S GOAT)
Isaiah 53:12
Yet He Himself BORE THE SIN of many, (AZAZEL)
And INTERCEDED for the transgressors (all at the cross)
ISN'T THAT BEAUTIFUL!!! Praise the LORD!!!
Hebrews 9:28 so Christ, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
1 Peter 2:24 CHRIST himself bore our sins on his body
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and carried away our diseases
Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and carried away our pains
WILL YOU SAY THESE VERSES REFER TO SATAN?
I stand with Jesus. HE paid it all.
Hebrews 10:12 says, "But when Christ had offered FOR ALL TIME a SINGLE SACRIFICE for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God"
DO YOU SAY IT IS NOT FINISHED?
Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ not Ellen, not your theology, not the "28" and be saved.
Praise God, thank you Lord Jesus, thank you Lord, i love you so much, please help me to actually love you the way to prescribe and help me obey your commandments in Your name i pray, amen.
Thank you Pastor Ivor
Has anybody thought about the implication of the scapegoat being released into the wilderness ALIVE. ?
Yes to terrorise himself for 1000 years as stated in the prophesy... Revelation 20:7
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,”
YES, I did. The scapegoat (Satan) will die at God's appointed time.
Can you please help bring understanding to this ... (John 20:23 - If you forgive anyone's sins, they will be forgiven. But if you don't forgive their sins, they will not be forgiven.” ) because i have alot of Catholics thinking that this verse means that Jesus gave their Catholic priests the power to forgive their sins when they confess their sins, to them.
Jesus was referring to the disciples,when he was sending them out on mission .read the context
1 John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Confess your sins to Christ not to a priest who is sinner like yourself
The only one who can forgive sin is the sinless Jesus n the priest, he’s as a daily sinner as those whose went to him for confession.
If you teach Azazel is the Messiah 😱 you might be in a cult! 🤔 51:23 the identity of Azazel is an open and shut case
Fancied opinions. Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Get it? Jesus suffered outside the city just as the type Azazel. Look it up. Azazel is Hebrew meaning entire removal. The scape goat makes atonement. Leviticus 16:10 "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement" Romans 3:25 Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. Isaiah 53:7 I love the Bible NT explains the types of the OT. Have Faith in Jesus not Ellen. Hope this helps you to get out of that cult of denigrating Jesus
@@cliffbailey6474 50 minutes were spent on the identity of Azazel being practically synonymous with the devil.. from Bible to satanic culture. You use the clear to define the unclear.
@@MrSneakSneak 50 min of opinions what do the NT writers and Jesus who where Jews tthat knew the law say is what maters. John 8:44 is Satan without blemish Lev 16;10?
@@MrSneakSneak Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus.
Yes the live goat was now to be killed. Aaron laid his hands on the head of the goat the sins of man.
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EGW said Christ is the scapegoat. See below “Christ was the Scapegoat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into wilderness. He alone, over whom death had not power, was able to bear our sins.” [See comment above.] 12LtMs, Ms 112, 1897, par. 47
This is deceptive. No she didn’t. Ellen White estates clearly states that there is no reason to believe Ellen White wrote this. Why stoop to this kind of tactic? You don’t believe anything Ellen White “said” anyway. And if you do believe what Ellen White said, look at all her statements which clear say that Satan is the scapegoat. Stop with the desperation attempts, the hail Mary’s.
Funny that you left in the “See the comment above” part inserted by the White Estates. Why didn’t you include this part?
Manuscript 112, 1897, titled “Before Pilate and Herod,” is a 19-page typed document with typical editorial corrections by Ellen White’s secretaries (most of which were made by Maggie Hare), and stamped with “E. G. White” after the end of the content of page 19. This was the usual procedure in her office when making multiple carbon copies of an Ellen White manuscript. There are only three original typewritten copies of this manuscript. One of them contains all 19 pages, and the other two, including the file copy, end on page 17, with the last paragraph of page 17 cut off, and pages 18 and 19 omitted.
The overall content of the deleted pages is not unusual except for the first paragraph of page 18, dealing specifically with the “scapegoat.” That paragraph reads as follows,
Some apply the solemn type, the scape goat, to Satan. This is not correct. He cannot bear his own sins. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. He cannot be represented as the scape goat. The awful cry, uttered with a hasty awful recklessness, by the Satan inspired multitude, swelling louder and louder, reaches up to the throne of God, His blood be upon us and upon our children. Christ was the scape goat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into the wilderness. He alone, over whom death had no power, was able to bear our sins. 18
This 1897 statement departs completely from everything else Ellen White wrote on the subject either before (as confirmed by the quotations above); or later (as presented in the 1911 edition of The Great Controversy). In the 1911 edition, prepared under her own supervision, 19 she still spoke of the post-1844 era as the “antitypical day of atonement” 20 that will culminate with the final destruction of Satan, at the end of the 1,000 years of Revelation 20, as the antitypical “scapegoat.” 21 So there is no convincing reason to believe that she ever changed her mind on the subject.”
Why use deception?
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"unfounded insistence that Jesus atonement was complete at the cross!" is what one SDA said to me. I asked him for the reference in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.
God Jesus Christ said, "it is finished" not unfounded. Dare you argue with GOD? Here are some more verses that of course you will ignore:
Romans 8:31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is FOR us, who can be against us?(rhetorical question) 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us ALL things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? (rhetorical question) It is God WHO JUSTIFIES. 34Who is there to condemn us?(rhetorical question) For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is AT THE RIGHT HAND (King is finished) of God-and He is INTERCEDING (HIGH PRIEST) FOR us.
Can you feel it? Feel the Glory!
Jesus was taken up into heaven and he sat at the RIGHT HAND of God. Mark 16:19 No IJ.
The CROSS was the DAY of ATONEMENT.
Matthew27:50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
John 19:30 Jesus said, “It is finished.” ... and gave up his spirit. Matthew 27:51And behold, the VEIL OF THE TEMPLE WAS TORN IN TWO from top to bottom; Me: I have NOW full access to the Most Holy Place in Christ. The temple is over, ended, TORN VEIL showed the Glory was gone and then destroyed in 70AD. I'm the temple now and HIS Spirit dwells in me. 1 Corinthians 3:16 Wow! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Can you feel the Glory? Can you get this?
Hebrews 10:12 says, "But when Christ had offered for ALL time a SINGLE sacrifice for sins, he SAT DOWN (THE KING has FINISHED HIS Work) at the RIGHT HAND of God" Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was offered ONCE to BEAR the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, APART(IT IS FINISHED) from sin, for salvation.
I just love scripture.
Steven: Acts 6:9 They began to argue with Stephen, 10but they could not stand up to his wisdom or the Spirit by whom he spoke. 56“Look,” Steven said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the RIGHT HAND of God.” No entering in, in 1844 but already in, at accension. Nothing happened in 1844,
Jesus was already in the Holy of Holies God's presence. Whew! Wow! Feel the Glory!
Some sincere Adventists, that have faith in Jesus, this will click inside. Hope this helps.
John 1:29-31 King James Version (KJV)The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
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Smh, how did that pastor not even look up who Azazel is??? Sounds like a theologian who regurgitates what he hears, instead of studying for himself.
According to Hebrew culture and teachings, Azazel is the angel of sin ( Satan)
That pastor could not even pronounce words correctly.
@brendarewan7441 Even so, I don't have the greatest spelling in the word even though I'm educated beyond the high-school level.
However, he was completely incorrect about what SDA'S Believe.
@@brendarewan7441I think they think you're talking about pastor ivor, you might want to clarify
Jesus represent the scape goat according to isa 53 v 5 6
@GospelPwrofSalvation,
You completely and purposefully misquoted that article you were referring to, since you failed to also quote the following from the same article:
Regardless of how this questionable passage became part of Manuscript 112, 1897, the statement should be viewed as exceptional. It does not provide a reason for anyone to fall into the dangerous fallacy of “generalization,” 22 by which one or a few exceptions are generalized as the overall rule. Ellen White’s writings provide enough evidences that, up to the end of her life, she continued to identify Satan as the eschatological scapegoat.
I’m SDA and believe Satan is Azazel, but I’m uncomfortable with some of the things presented. I wish it was correctly presented. Ritually, the goat was going “to” Azazel. While the goat could serve as a representative, the text is not saying Azazel is the name of the goat. That’s what our leading scholars say, e.g. Gane, Rodriguez, Shea. Second, when it comes to the lots, he is very narrow in his usage of lots. He picks and chooses verses and pulls in verses that have nothing to do with the Day of Atonement. Yes, the good and evil people have an allotted inheritance. But nowhere does it say that Azazel is the allotted inheritance of the wicked. Those verses are clearly pointing to heaven/hell, not which goat you belong to. Same with Mat. 24’s sheep/goat metaphor. There are no sheep in the ritual. All Jesus was doing was comparing the selection of the people to a shepherd, not at all to the day of atonement. Also, Pastor says that the goat does not atone for the people. The Lord’s goat only atones for the sanctuary, not the people. The people are never mentioned until the Azazel ritual. Read Lev. 16:33. The pattern shown mirrors the progression of the order of events: atonement for the sanctuary, tent of meeting, altar, and finally the people. That’s the exact order. Verses 16 and 18 sequentially walk through the first three, and the only one left is the people. The next thing that happens is related to the people. Also, when verse 10 says that atonement is upon the goat, that’s a misleading translation, which Adventist scholars have recognized. Adventist scholars have recognized that the goat is ritually clean and doesn’t need atonement. It’s atoning for the people. A ritual atonement is accomplished by a transfer of sin. In the rite the goat takes on the sins of the people, and in doing so atones for the people. What really needs to be addressed is whether the goat is the same as Azazel or not. The fact that the goat goes “to Azazel” indicated that the goat is not Azazel, and with that in mind, evangelicals often believe that the goat is Christ and Azazel is Satan. I’ve seen some connect it with Christ’s death and his “descent into hell” to the demons as one of the creeds says. Bear in mind we are preaching a sermon that doesn’t make sense if they don’t understand that the cleansing of the sanctuary is right before the second coming. Feel free to contact me if you’re wondering more; I’ve been studying this topic even before the Eric Mason debate began
Compare Revelation 20 and Leviticus 16. Was Azazel as pure as the Lord's goat? Could either goat been the Lord's goat? Was Azazel sent or banished or whatever term you want to use for 1000 years? Is wilderness, desert the same as a bottomless pit? Was the Lord's goat hung on a tree? Was the Lord's goat killed outside the city gate? Was Jesus killed in the temple? Was the Lord's Jesus' Blood applied to the horns? Not one to one but types and shadows pointing the END RESULT to someone. Azazel represented "For I will forgive their iniquity(blood), and I will remember their sin no more(wilderness).” Hebrews 8:12, Jeremiah 31:34. Isaiah 43:25 ESV
“I, I am he (not satan) who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. Hebrews 10:17 ESV Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 1 John 1:9 ESV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 103:12 ESV As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. Jesus did both for us. Seems I have more Bible verses and it's more Glorifying of Christ than yours. Praise be to Yahweh Jesus Christ.
Your knowledge doesn't change you. Jesus commanded; you must be Born Again John 3:3&7. Unless you are a New Creation 2 Corinthians 5:17 by the Born Again indwelling of the Holy Spirit which testifies. Otherwise, your faith is in vain. You'll know when you are Born Again, otherwise you're not. You must. Hope this helps.
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working on it.
@@powerofthelamb thanks big bro.
It's a simple question! Was Jesus banished In the wilderness? Mark 1:12 At once the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows of the OT Temple because it all pointed to HIM. Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Everything Jesus did was to fulfill all righteousness and HE did. satan fulfilled non of the requirements of the scape goat. Your emotional appeals in satan's behalf are idolatry. satan loves your attention. Why? because it takes your attention away from Christ. Praise HIS Name above every name. Wow! Glory to the only wise God! I hope this builds faith in sincere Adventists to follow Jesus out of the SDA deceiving cult. You are safe in Jesus. Jesus paid it ALL all to HIM I owe!
Jesus "banished" in the wilderness? Banished for forty days? This is funny. Did the scapegoat return from the wilderness? Seriously? This is why Babylon is full of confusion. It is like reasoning someone drunk on wine. Rev.18:1-4.
@@powerofthelamb Jesus was innocent sent like azazel. Azazel comparison: 2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he MADE HIM TO BE SIN who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. He fulfilled all righteousness. Sleep on it. It is the Word of God.
@@cliffbailey6474 As exemplified in the Lord's goat. Agreed.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
The scapegoat was neither sticken, smitten, afflicted, wounded, or bruised. Sleep on it.
@@powerofthelamb You use Revelation 20 but where does it say in Leviticus 16 Azazel goes for 1000 years? Why can't I be as arbitrary as you are.
Wilderness is a bottomless pit? I don't see that one in Lev16.
Azazel sent out the same day as the LORD's goat is sacrificed. After Jesus' death on the cross, when was Satan sent out?
Believe on the YAHWEH Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
We keep all the commandments in Christ. “The law is fulfilled in us who walk not by the flesh but according to the Spirit” is a verse from the Bible, Romans 8:4
So freeing, no more confusion, just look to Jesus. Glory to HIS Name!
@@cliffbailey6474 Food for thought. The sacrifices that occur on the passover, the unleavened bread, firstfruits, Pentecost all point to Jesus death, yet Jesus did not die on Pentecost, nor did he die on the day of the feast of firstfruits, nor on the day of the feast of unleavened bread. With the exception of the Passover, none of the other feasts were fulfilled on the day Jesus died. You are not understanding the chronology of the feast days and how they unfold over a period of time, the last being the tabernacles which will be fulfilled at the very end of time. I'd encourage you to go back and study deeper. The Day of atonement points to events beyond and after passover, as in the death and resurrection of Christ.
Hebrews 2:16 says: For verily he (Jesus), took NOT on him the nature of angels; Michael is not Jesus. Jesus is not Michael.
"Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind" (Colossians 2:18) The Bible specifically says don’t worship angels it disqualifies you and Ellen's Adventism and your partner cults Jw's and LDS for making preincarnate Jehovah Jesus (Isa 9:6 & 10:21) a created angel. The freedom of Truth is liberating in Christ Jesus. Matthew 11:28-29
hey bro, can I ask you something? What is you christian tradition? your church?
Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD . LEVTICUS 16:10 , " 10But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Jesus wasn't dead when HE said: “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46 Our sins laid on Jesus, as Azazel, HE bore the forsaken wilderness abandonment of the Father for us. This Scripture expresses the depth and horror of what Jesus was suffering. In that moment, Jesus was plunged into outer darkness away from the Father's presence to bear the sins of the world The FATHER turned away and left the SON alone as Azazel was left alone bearing our sin. NONE of Adventist's colorful arguments for satan being Azazel is one to one. Not even close. NO, it's the type and shadow principle END RESULT. This is so powerful. You are sincere, yet you are defending, deceiving SDA leaders. The Truth, the 2 unblemished goats were sacrificed and sent the SAME DAY. It happened the same "day" hence called the "DAY" of Atonement.
Christ's single day, single sacrifice, Finished Work. Veil split in two. No more temple needed.
No Ellen Gap theory.
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Jesus is King and High Priest Romans 8:34 .....is at the right hand of God-and He is interceding for us.
he, Jesus, entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. Hebrews 9:24 Goodbye 1844 & IJ. Awesome Word!
his name is the Word of God Revelation 19:13
“You, Jesus, are a priest FOREVER in the order of Melchizedek.” Hebrews 7:17
on his thigh....king of kings and lord of lords. Revelation 19:16
Wow! Feel it! Holy, Holy, Holy is the LORD!
Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” Revelation 7:14
I thought you were supposed
To agree with Ellen White. The final interpreter for your denomination and the reason you’re classified as a cult, well Here are her thoughts.
Your girl Ellen W. does not agree. 😅
“Some apply the solemn type, the scape goat, to Satan. This is not correct. He cannot bear his own sins. At the choosing of Barabbas, Pilate washed his hands. He cannot be represented as the scape goat…Christ was the scape goat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into the wilderness. He alone, over whom death had no power, was able to bear our sins” (The Scapegoat in the Writings of Ellen G. White, Alberto R. Timm, Ellen White Estate, [Accessed from internet on Oct 26, 2013]; Manuscript 112, 1897).
You deceitfully took Ellen G. White's quote from the article as since you failed to also quote the following from the same article:
Regardless of how this questionable passage became part of Manuscript 112, 1897, the statement should be viewed as exceptional. It does not provide a reason for anyone to fall into the dangerous fallacy of “generalization,” 22 by which one or a few exceptions are generalized as the overall rule. Ellen White’s writings provide enough evidences that, up to the end of her life, she continued to identify Satan as the eschatological scapegoat.
Even in your language shows a certain kind of pride, sarcasm, mocking ,and arrogance from your heart rather than a genuine dialogue to just come together to learn and try to understand the truth. And show respect even if we may agree to disagree. May the Lord judge between you and me. God bless you and much love to you and your family.
From out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
And he shall take from the congregation of Israel two male goats for A SIN Offering. Leviticus 16:5
How does that read to you? The 2 goats together equaled one sin offering. In the ritual of Day of Atonement, Azazel meaning "entire removal" of sin and guilt from sacred places into desert on back of goat, symbolized of entire forgiveness.
v21Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it ALL the iniquities of the children of Israel, and ALL their transgressions, concerning ALL their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22The goat shall bear on itself ALL their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. The text points out 2 goats illustrated what Jesus did for us as our one and only sinless sacrifice. This is Beautiful!
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases. Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and carried away our pains. Praise His Name Forever!