Your experience with the cartridge can be summarized with the proverbial "law of diminishing returns". The further we go up in the price range, the more we wonder if our investment was worth it, but the temptation to squeeze a few more drops of quality is too great ... yes it is... 😏
Indeed! I also noted that after a certain point, tryibg to make something better requires much more effort on the producer side and much more resources from ours. Just like trying to travel to the speed of light, up to the speed of sound it's easy, after that every steps requires huge amounts of energy.
The higher and closer you get to the top. Each step gets harder and harder it's nothing new or unexpected, just part of the experience towards hifi nirvana mountain top. I do believe that some people might question at a certain point midway to the top is it worth it while others will just keep moving towards the summit because it's that view of the clouds and thin air although elusive that they seek more than the pain and effort they experienced a long the journey.
I've been in Lyra territory, it was a nice trip until i discovered Koetsu..... This is life changing... it is a bond with the company, with its philosophy, and the sound it offers... try the Koetsu Black goldline...
Amazing cartridge, just listened to one last month in a hifi store here in Tokyo. They paired it with a TechDas AirForce V turntable, CH precision phono stage, amps and Magico A5 speakers. Stunning sounding system.
I love Lyra cartridge And ortofon cartridge Yes I had the kleos but I sold it I’m like better the Delos for my set up Also I have the Etna SL that I used for my audiophile LP Guys don’t forget the cables are very important
The new angle design seems quite brilliant, and the specs you mentioned are excellent. I see you mated the cart with a nice light ADC headshell too. It seems you’re certainly at the point where diminishing returns are becoming very relevant, but the rest of your gear definitely seems to be up to task.
Again a great video !!! You are absolutely right that the price structure has to be right. For a turntable I calculate 50% for the drive and 25% each for the tonearm and cartridge. I can t wait for your Phono-PreAmp video - I'm using a Lab12 melto2. It has everything I want
A very nice and rational review of this cartridge. Thank you ! I own the Lyra Delos which cost me about $1,700 a few years back. The sound is excellent, and I'd be surprised if the $3,700 cartridge is that much better. But oh well, I'll never get a chance to test out this theory.
You’re right my friend there’s no point in investing that kind of money in a cartridge if the rest of your system isn’t up to. I’m currently using an Ortofon Quintet Black on a VPI 12.7 arm on a Dr Feickhert Woodpecker, my arm and turntable are up to a high end cartridge however my Heed phono stage isn’t. Hence I’ll stick with the Quintet Black until I’ve upgraded. Baby steps 😀 Are you still using your AVI labs amp? Be great if you’d make a video about it, a classic? I know a great deal of folks I respect still rave about that amp.
Nice and good memory! Nope I changes the amp, and recently the speakers, a long time ago...check the new tour here: ruclips.net/video/BnGE5RkbBBw/видео.html Speakers here (crazy video, not serios): ruclips.net/video/slu_GgE67BM/видео.html
@@Cynicalian ortofon quintet black cartridge it's a hella of a cartridge. I have a quintet with a eat c sharp turntable as well as hana umami, I'm a bit short on the phono preamp $1399 soundsmith. But will upgrade it in 6 months to 10 months. I might just put my fresh quintet in line until then.
Hi Guido. Fantastic looking cartridge. Always nice to make the next step. And reach a new level of sound. Enjoyed watching the review. Thanks for sharing your views. All the best. /Paul
Pretty awesome cart. In terms of value and great quality, when it comes to MC carts, the Audio technica AT33 series are fantastic. I have an AT33PTG II on my Project RPM 5 and it sounds fabulous and looks cool, whilst being less expensive than a top spec Ortofon MM like the 2M Black.
I agree , I have the AT33PTG/ii as well and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it is for the price . I have carts that are more than 3 times the price of the AT and it is. Not at all embarrassed playing next to them .
Van den Hul also makes great cartridges by hand, if you want to see how they're crafted by hand, take a look: Part 1: ruclips.net/video/TbTSor-4J-c/видео.html Part 2: ruclips.net/video/Km4sUJmG83E/видео.html
I believe all manufacturers take in account the needle deflection of their cartridges when they develop them. For the rest,great video and channel,just subscribed.
I once owned a Lyra Clavis DC cartridge (mated to a fully tricked out Nottingham Analogue turntable). Spectacular! That’s the only word I can use, nothing else has come close for me
@@patthewoodboy I had two Ace Spacedecks. One I kept original running different cartridges. The second I had the heavy platter upgrade with Wave Mechanic power supply. This had the Lyra fitted. Had a custom cover made for that deck too for maximum protection
I’ve been using a Lyra Lydian cartridge for 15 years now. It matches WELL with my Graham tonearm andSOTA Sapphire turntable. I wouldn’t think of spending much more on a cartridge unless I became pretty wealthy
Off the subject matter of this particular video but I feel the need to make a comment on a previous recommendation you made on headphones. I bought the HIFIMAN HE-560 based on your recommendation and nothing else. I have to say I was very disappointed at first. I have the SP200 amp, the A90 and the Asgard 3. The HE-560 sounded very thin and unimpressive on all three amps. I was going to sell them but picked up the new Schiit Jotenheim 2 before I did. The Jotenheim 2 was finally enough amp to properly drive the HE-560 and I have to say you were correct in giving them a stellar recommendation. The difference was shocking actually. They went from so so to spectacular. Thanks for the recommendation, you were right!
Thank you so much for this feedback and for your trust. For me it means a lot! I am convinced that a lot of people have underestimated these cans due to the high power required to drive them, which is a downside afterall. Speaking of planars, I was shocked how bad the famous Audeze sounded. So thick and dark...
@@anadialog I have the lcd-x also. I personally love them but they can be a bit too intense for casual listening. They are great for Hans Zimmer type soundtracks though, they are one of the few headphones I have that can handle playing the track 2049 from the Bladerunner 2049 soundtrack. But when it comes to just relaxing and enjoying the music the HE-560 is much better, they produce a very nice clear sound with a good soundstage without being fatiguing. Thanks again for recommending them, they can’t be beat for enjoying the music and relaxing which is what we are all in this hobby for.
Interesting concept accounting for needle deflection. I am reminded of the guy who always put a sticker on the back of the cart before mounting. I thought this was a bit snake oil but now understanding needle deflection maybe it wasn't so crazy after all.
I've owned a Lyra Delos and heard the Kleos at an audition, whilst they are both great cartridges they are a little thinner in the midrange than other high end MC designs. I replaced my Delos with a Shelter 9000 and it did make the Lyra slightly lightweight sounding from top to bottom. I own an SL1200GR and an Avid Acutus Reference SP and for my Technics I have a Benz Micro Ruby Z which is one of the best balanced cartridges I've ever heard. It beats out the Shelter for micro dynamics, shading and midrange detail, the Shelter is more like a full sounding Lyra. Appreciate what you are saying about system matching but for me personally the Lyra sound is not a good match for direct drive turntables that have have less time smear than belt drive designs, you can have too much of a good thing. At the end of the day though as long as you are happy with the sound thats what counts, thats why this is such a great hobby :)
I just got my 55th anniversary Technics SL 1210. Right now I’m using an Ortofon Cadenza Bronze. On my Gyrodec/SME set up I have a Lyra Kleos. I’m happy with it there but I have a feeling it would be not as good as with the 1210.
@@jimdalto6254 If like me you are hearing more immediacy and cleaner leading edges to notes via the Technics compared to the Gyro you are not alone. There seems to be some distinct differences between DD turntables and their belt drive counterparts which to me sound softer and more diffuse, especially if they are sprung. If you think about it it’s no surprise given the the differences in approach to spinning a record. I’ve owned both Gyro and Orbe and they are great sounding tables, the Orbe in particular takes you very close to high end belt drives at a pretty decent price point.
Thanks for one more great video and fair impressions! Which Dynavector did you have? It will be nice to hear your opinion about cartridges that you owned, which impressed you?
ANA[DIA]LOG thanks for your answer. Have you compared this cartridge with similar ones on this price range (about 500$)? Was it the best for you for the money? Just looking for the upgrade for my Audio Technica AT120Ea MM cartridge (very basic one) and it is quite difficult to chose without listening. Low output MC cartridges should be the best choice as I was pretty lucky to buy a used Black Cube SE II in a bargain price, ‘cause you recommended that one.
Not that many and in any case, it makes sense when used at home. I was quite convinced by the Hana lineup...check them out if you can. Bravo for the Lehmann!! Great choice, still today, one of my favorite pre-amps. Hope you like it!
@@anadialog yes, Lehmann is very good phono preamp and I am completely satisfied with it, thanks for your advise! Actually, I can compare only with my built-in phono preamp in Sony TA-F550 ES integrated amplifier. But in every case, sound quality is impressive, even with my cheap cartridge - I suppose because of Lehmann preamp. And cartridge upgrade should bring me even more fun from the vinyl. I’ll check Hana lineup as well, thanks.
Well, that isn't valid for everyone, plus I review and suggest all segments, low, mid and high-end. It's good and fair to observe and analyze everything on the market IMO.
For value, I'll look into Nagaoka cartridges... yes MM not MC but I would say a MP500 should hold its value pretty against other cartridges worth much more (and it's not cheap: around $1000) I have a MP-110 which is much more reasonable price (~$150) and it sounds great and it fits my modest system and it is a great value in terms of sound for the price. Just make sure you use good condition records as it picks so much details so will the flaws... but I'm sure you wouldn't play $1 (or less) thrift store records with the Lyra even properly cleaned...
Yes not a bad cartridge but I would consider Hana ml little bit more just under 1000 if that's too much go with the sh, better cartridge all together better channel separation what you're looking for and microline is a better way to go quieter noise on the record less likely to get inner groove distortion
You didn't mention what Dynavector you have?? I went from the 20x to Lyra Delos. It's 2x the price of the Dynavector. I notice immediately the noise floor was much lower on the Lyra. Tracking is very quiet. That's good for certain types of music which has more quiet moments. I can't recall too well of the Dynavector but it was a very good cartridge.
@@anadialog I bought my 20X2H just before you at 1000 cad. It was my first high end cart so nothing to compare it with. Then I heard great things about the Lyra Delos. Tried it. Thought it was a bit more refined and gentler with much lower floor noise. That's a good thing. I would be interested in a review of the Hana cart.
I wonder how it compares to my Denon DL 110 high output moving coil cartridge fitted to a Hadcock uni-pivot tonearm tracking at 1.8 grams.. This cartridge is the same price as it was in 1980. Also, unless you have a dedicated moving coil phono stage, you will not get the benefits of a low input moving coil cartridge.
Ciao, hai mai sentito la Lyra Clavis DC? Stavo pensando di dare in permuta la mia Benz Micro Glider per questa. Certo è una testina piuttosto vecchia, e il rischio che il diamante sia consumato e da ristilare...ma la tentazione è forte, a leggere alcune recensioni sembra veramente ottima
Which model Dynavector do you use? I’m looking at getting a new cartridge soon. I currently use a Dynavector DV10x5. I fancy going up there range now. I have a Michel Gyrodec with a Technoarm. An Avid Pellar phono stage a Primaluna Dialogue HP integrated amp and Harbeth SHL5+ speakers
@@anadialog been offered a 20xxmk2 for a good price by a guy in the trade. Read some reviews and it seems decent. How are you finding your Primaluna. Have you upgraded your tubes yet?
I like the Primaluna a lot. I would be curious to listen to the Evo for the differences. I just replaced the preamp section tubes, with matched Psvane...sweet sound!
@@anadialog might be worth a do . A bit cheaper too although I really fancy going from the standard EL34’s to KT150’s at some point. Heard really good things
Hello Guido - gratulation for your new equipment! It´s funny, last week a Hifi friend of mine upgraded from VPI Prime (ADS) with Koetsu Black to Techdas Airforce III with Kleos cartridge. Tonarm I do not know, but it costs about 5.000 eur. He said to me, the new setup blow the old one away, even the base feets etc. is not perfect up to now. So I think, perhaps the Technics with his tonarm might be the bottleneck. I do not know. I´m struggeling because I always thinking if I should get his "old" setup which is in a very good condition - what do you think? My current setup is an old Thorens TD 2001 with Ortofon Quintet Red - I´m not satisfied with it.
@@anadialog yes, surely a 1200 lacks the finesse to compliment a cart of this calibre?! They may be upwards of £1000 now, but they we’re about £400 20 years ago - great value, but budget by hifi stakes.
I would love a Techdas. I too have a Prime with a Koetsu. The phono preamp is a Parasound JC3+ and the rest is Pass Labs + Focal Speakers. Even with a Techdas I would want to have at least one Koetsu cartridge and perhaps an Atlas Lambda by Lyra.
How many hours had your review cartridge been used for? The character of a new cartridge or stylus does change over the first 50 hours, or so of use, often sounding bright or hard initially, gradually settling down and definitely improving. It is a dilemma for the reviewer!
I agree. Don't worry, I have used it probably around that or perhaps even more. I received it at the end of November and has been playing almost every day for a few hours.
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As usual I am a bit late to the table but it does not mean I did not enjoy this video. I specifically like the discussion about the price. In this case I think you get what you pay for and the price is correct for the product, hand made in Japan and all. However the law of diminishing return is in full swing here and this is the real high end, clearly not for me. So I will be looking very much forward to Guido's video about pricing of HiFi equipment. It is a rabbit hole almost as deep as cables. BTW both are very relevant to each other, even Steve Guttenberg admits that.
Sound better if you lift the cartridge plus the arm is better in resonance and overhang weight reduced, tightening the cartridge changes the compliance frequency as well. Put a nylon washer in the middle on the Edge between the headshell cartridge probably need some nylon washers on the bolts should have anyway as well. could be tricky finding position when tightening, you got aluminium bolts bend slightly at the head end so it's more inlined with the angle and will not move so easily when tightening, the small 2 mm gap you'll probably get away without bending the bolts ideally more is preferable that will have to be approaching different way I think I did leave your comment on that before! This is a big benefit lowers the centre of mass of the arm and reduces weight of overhung mess give it a go you shouldn't have a problem with the little nylon washers just a bit fiddly ideal if you got some balsa wood cut a little wedge the dampening effect on the cartridge might be lost slightly with the Nylon wash. Turntables taking some energy away from the cartridge as well and main bearing, very difficult to upgrade those techniques possible don't think there's anything available on the market. Do you know what type of Central bearing it has on that model I only know the Mark 2 mark 1. Try the washer or little wedge let me know how you get on it was your dynavector cartridge is that the X2. Ideal if you can bend the headshell what you can do to achieve it is the easiest ideally 5 degrees. You're probably won't try probably just wasting my breath like a normally am Best cartridges is the van den Hul Crimson about the same price you're not a fan of Hans cartridges people claim they are the best
It is basic physics mate got nothing to lose have you clearly I haven't convinced you only by trying it yourself will you be convinced. a absorption pad would be beneficial Origin live make one
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All good on paper, no doubt a nice player but way too expensive. Thanks for the well balanced review. Some competitors with 1/4 the price can do the same or even better in some regards. That's subjective to one's objective. :)
If you are lookig for extreamly hight cost-effective hifi system I suggest try vintage Grundig gears e.g. Super hifi box 650 professional + V 1700 or V 7000 + cd 7500 or 7550 + PS 1020
Ciao ! I'm also with ATL440 ...but Lyra could be next step ? Please I need your assistance for some audiophile acquisizione in Italy and I want your support if it's possible.... Can we discuss on email or somehow. Grazie Mille for all sharing ( I wait the is2 hdmi to digital DSD convertor Thx :) )
I am new to this, and I can't figure out the balance point. For example in digital for 1000 Euro DAC you are expected to pay 4-500 Euro for the amp to stay in about the same quality range, but for 3000 Euro turntables how expensive must be the cartridge and phono to have about the same level of quality across the chain? I know many would advise me to start cheaper but a in my digital, it will just be a waste of money on components that will be out of use inside of 1-2 years. I already have a small collection of records from my parents and I figure it out it would be a shame to let them sit there.
Amp certainly deserves more attention and money than DAC. Turntables are strange. I think a 1000$ tt, if done properly can challenge a 3k one with no problem. Carts change a lot below 600-800$ then IMO little things happen.
One point of clarification did you purchase the cartridge or was it supplied to you for the review? I tend to agree that it seems too expensive. I am running a Soundsmith rebuilt B&O MMC2 ( €900 with postage and duty). Saphire cantilever and nudecontact line diamond. MY aim is to get the soundsmith Voice B&O style cartridge, which at US$2000 ( postage and duty would add to the cost) beats this Lyra cart ( on paper)
Many high-end cd-player manufacturers strive to get an "analog sound" (even if all sounds are analog-by the way), or I better say a vinyl sound, the Lyras strive to create a cd-sound type. The sound of Lyras is without a soul, no passion, no red cheeks, no blushes. As I've ranted before the sound of an audio system must be soulful, it must warm your soul and your bones it must be an aural, ethereal sound that makes you dream. Of course, the secret is the right type of whiskey or cognac or even a good old red wine.
Isn’t everything that ends up on vinyl, begins on some sort of magnetic tape? So surely to get the best sound we avoid all the problems with vinyl and just get the original master tape would be cheaper!!! I’ll get my coat!
The problem with moving coil cartridges (at lest some of them) is that they are so insanely expensive they just don't justify their WTF cost. 10 to 14 thousand US dollars is not an uncommon price for top end MCs today. Their makers are bandits and their customers rich and foolish. The alleged hyper "detail" of moving coil cartridges is the result of overshoot on square waves and a rising top end typical of the breed. Levels of +12 db above 14K is not unusual in most MCs.
Not sure of the curent cost of the Kleos but it retailed for $3000 US when it first came out as a replacement for Lyra's "budget" Helikon. Current versions in Canada retail for $4800. It's also one of Lyra's more "modestly priced" offerings if you can believe that.
Maybe or maybe not. The problem is the format itsef, and there is no physical way to avoid this trouble. I love the analog tape, but vynil has been, is and will be the worst media concebaible way for achieve a real high fidelity sound. And you kow this. (By the way: I'm a fan of your RUclips channel).
Great vd on a subject dear to me, so thx. But your subjective experience with this type of cartridge and price tag, perhaps have more to do, on the psychological side of it, because as u say: the price doesen't add up to what you hear/experience. But as u also say, this is the first time you made such a leap on cartridges, and that is a big leap from the Dynavector (price tag), and maybe you thought in your head, that a cart that expensive, should pull of the roof for u, but that wasn't the case? I think there is more going on, than just what u hear and experience in value and performance. There must be a place, back in your head, where this price tag hunts u, and maybe that's the reason why your maybe confused over it all? Iv'e have been there myself with Audio gear, when taking a big leap up in prices, and i do think there is some guidelines to this, but it's for the most on the psychology side of it for me. I'm thinking about trying the Delos for my next cart? I own the magnificent Rega P8/Apheta II combo, but when my Apheta is done, i'm thinking of this choice to be a good one (Lyra/Delos). Happy listening :-) Cheers from Denmark
Yes, Thomas you are probably right in some points. I can only say that high-end can't only be high prices and decent quality. I am not haunted. I accept and deal with this and other stuff even more expensive. If it doesn't impress me, then I accept it and just sell it back. No problem. Another comment said that the tonearm may somehow limit the performance of the Kleos and I think he is right, nevertheless when you get a thoroughbred you always perceive it's different league and quality. A good arm will help a lot but it will not change things dramatically IMO. But I will try in the future. I am rather convinced that the hi-fi industry is making a deliberate steer towards luxury and elite creations more and more just for the purpose of it and ransom profit without true equivalent quality behind it.
I inserted some pieces of videos in the main video where you can get a good glimpse. Don't know if you saw them, if you did, maybe they weren't enough...
I agree, the tonearm could be better but again we are talking of a high quality magnesium tonearm by Technics, not a crosley or plastic tonearm. The cart should deliver according to its expense, proportional to the capabilities of the tonearm but also in respect to the other cartridges I have tried that cost a fraction of the Kleos and are very close to it. That remains a fact.
Usually I do that but not in this case even though it isn’t that useful because you don’t know how the rest of my system sounds so you don’t really know what has been added or subtracted to the final sound. That is why my humble opinion with over 83k subs should be enough for credentials, especially in HiFi.
I wish it would so. I would save hours of tweaking and adjusting. Plus I have one of the best players on the planet and one of the best DAC on the plante but unfortunately vinyl and also tape just feel more engaging and simply better sounding. Whoever tries a quality analog system, never looks back. You're hooked for good.
If you have been following me I have widely answered to that. I will just say that in terms of nunbers and measurements, frequency response in analog media can be as good or, in some cases, better than digital media. Dynamic range, no. The key word here is engagement. Quality analog music reproduction has characteristics that make you feel closer to the music and the original recording, it more engaging. That engagement may be called by someone high-fidelity, faithful to the excitement that real music delivers, regardless the distortion and coloration that analog introduces, which is clearly part of the game.
This cartridge and more than likely the Dynavector you own are too good for the table. A better table, a better tonearm would have taken you far ahead of the setup that you have now. As Linn would say, the turntable is most important, then the arm , then the cartridge. Look at the turntable as the chassis of an automobile. if it is not light and stiff, the suspension will not work to its fullest. Then you can talk about motors. The table should be as stable, as accurate in speed, and quiet. The arm has to have the ability make sure the installed cartridge tracks to the best of its abililty. The cartridge though is tied to the quality of the phono preamp. You don't plug in a Lyra into a cheap and cheerful preamp for one or two hundred bucks on Amazon and expect it shine. A better table arm setup with a fifty dollar Audio Technica will outperform your table with any cartridge isolation devices that you can throw at it. Hell most decent to exceptional cartridge's will perform to a much higher standard and probably harder to discern the differences between them. And that's the fact Jack! Actually that last bit is a quote from a Bill Murray film, Stripes but it makes the point. But this is stuff people with (audiophile ?) backgrounds have known for decades. Most any specialty dealer used to easily demonstrate this. No new knowledge here.
The phono pre-amp is stellar ;-) but the rest is a very good turntable and tonearm. Not in the same league of the Lyra, that is true. Nevertheless, good old Michael Fremer used a Lyra Etna for the Technics SL1200G review...
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Your experience with the cartridge can be summarized with the proverbial "law of diminishing returns". The further we go up in the price range, the more we wonder if our investment was worth it, but the temptation to squeeze a few more drops of quality is too great ... yes it is... 😏
Indeed! I also noted that after a certain point, tryibg to make something better requires much more effort on the producer side and much more resources from ours. Just like trying to travel to the speed of light, up to the speed of sound it's easy, after that every steps requires huge amounts of energy.
The higher and closer you get to the top. Each step gets harder and harder it's nothing new or unexpected, just part of the experience towards hifi nirvana mountain top. I do believe that some people might question at a certain point midway to the top is it worth it while others will just keep moving towards the summit because it's that view of the clouds and thin air although elusive that they seek more than the pain and effort they experienced a long the journey.
That is not entirely accurate. Listen to it and there is much better sound. There is money spent and a not given for that larger sum.
Honest, informative. Thank you!
I've been in Lyra territory, it was a nice trip until i discovered Koetsu..... This is life changing... it is a bond with the company, with its philosophy, and the sound it offers... try the Koetsu Black goldline...
I recently purchased a EAR 834P Tube phono Pre-Amp. Very happy with this unit. R.I.P. Tim De Paravicini
Nice!
@@anadialog I feel privileged I have this unit. Have you ever heard any of his products??
I have in the past, there was a tube amp I loved, can't remember the name...amazing engineer!
Great phono stage to have in the chain with a decent SUT.
I stand with Audio Technica cartridges..great value fantastic performers!
I agree totally. I have owned a Lyra Etna and now I am playing the AT ART9. Such a great cartridge! I am not missing the Etna one minute.
I believe you guys...it also has PCOCC coils!!
Amazing cartridge, just listened to one last month in a hifi store here in Tokyo. They paired it with a TechDas AirForce V turntable, CH precision phono stage, amps and Magico A5 speakers. Stunning sounding system.
Sweet!!
A nice and honest review. Thank you!
Thank you Bjørnar!
Thanks for the review. Packed with informations. Maybe one day for my old LP12 turntable...
Thanks! Nice...!
I love Lyra cartridge
And ortofon cartridge
Yes I had the kleos but I sold it
I’m like better the Delos for my set up
Also I have the Etna SL that I used for my audiophile LP
Guys don’t forget the cables are very important
Interesting!
The Delos is a wonder!
The new angle design seems quite brilliant, and the specs you mentioned are excellent. I see you mated the cart with a nice light ADC headshell too. It seems you’re certainly at the point where diminishing returns are becoming very relevant, but the rest of your gear definitely seems to be up to task.
Again a great video !!!
You are absolutely right that the price structure has to be right.
For a turntable I calculate 50% for the drive and 25% each for the tonearm and cartridge.
I can t wait for your Phono-PreAmp video - I'm using a Lab12 melto2. It has everything I want
I think tone arm and cartridge should be more important than the main body.
@@faludabutt8253 I agree - IF the turntable is in a price range of 10 +
A very nice and rational review of this cartridge. Thank you ! I own the Lyra Delos which cost me about $1,700 a few years back. The sound is excellent, and I'd be surprised if the $3,700 cartridge is that much better. But oh well, I'll never get a chance to test out this theory.
Thank you Chris!
You’re right my friend there’s no point in investing that kind of money in a cartridge if the rest of your system isn’t up to. I’m currently using an Ortofon Quintet Black on a VPI 12.7 arm on a Dr Feickhert Woodpecker, my arm and turntable are up to a high end cartridge however my Heed phono stage isn’t. Hence I’ll stick with the Quintet Black until I’ve upgraded. Baby steps 😀
Are you still using your AVI labs amp? Be great if you’d make a video about it, a classic? I know a great deal of folks I respect still rave about that amp.
Nice and good memory! Nope I changes the amp, and recently the speakers, a long time ago...check the new tour here:
ruclips.net/video/BnGE5RkbBBw/видео.html
Speakers here (crazy video, not serios):
ruclips.net/video/slu_GgE67BM/видео.html
@@Cynicalian ortofon quintet black cartridge it's a hella of a cartridge.
I have a quintet with a eat c sharp turntable as well as hana umami,
I'm a bit short on the phono preamp $1399 soundsmith. But will upgrade it in 6 months to 10 months. I might just put my fresh quintet in line until then.
@@Skyshakerrrr How is that EAT turntable? I was looking at one of them before I settled on the Mofi Studiodeck.
Amazing honest review! Thanks a lot!!!
Thank you Dexter!
Thank you, have a great weekend
It would have been nice (important too) to make us listen to the sound produced by this Lyra. 🙂Thank you for your work.
True! In recent videos I try to do that.
Hi Guido. Fantastic looking cartridge. Always nice to make the next step. And reach a new level of sound. Enjoyed watching the review. Thanks for sharing your views. All the best. /Paul
Thank you Paul!
Pretty awesome cart. In terms of value and great quality, when it comes to MC carts, the Audio technica AT33 series are fantastic. I have an AT33PTG II on my Project RPM 5 and it sounds fabulous and looks cool, whilst being less expensive than a top spec Ortofon MM like the 2M Black.
I agree , I have the AT33PTG/ii as well and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it is for the price . I have carts that are more than 3 times the price of the AT and it is. Not at all embarrassed playing next to them .
Amazin honest review!!!!!!!! CONGRATS GUIDO!!!!
Van den Hul also makes great cartridges by hand, if you want to see how they're crafted by hand, take a look:
Part 1: ruclips.net/video/TbTSor-4J-c/видео.html
Part 2: ruclips.net/video/Km4sUJmG83E/видео.html
Great video very honest views,thoughts & in depth information all round well done sir.
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I believe all manufacturers take in account the needle deflection of their cartridges when they develop them. For the rest,great video and channel,just subscribed.
Thank you for all these informations ! Great video ! Greetings from a belgian audiophile !
I once owned a Lyra Clavis DC cartridge (mated to a fully tricked out Nottingham Analogue turntable). Spectacular! That’s the only word I can use, nothing else has come close for me
what NAS TT ? I have a hyper space with a Linn Ekos mk2 running an ArkivB
@@patthewoodboy I had two Ace Spacedecks. One I kept original running different cartridges. The second I had the heavy platter upgrade with Wave Mechanic power supply. This had the Lyra fitted. Had a custom cover made for that deck too for maximum protection
Looking forward to hearing about your new phono preamp. I'm in the market for a new one, curious to learn what you got.
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I’ve been using a Lyra Lydian cartridge for 15 years now. It matches WELL with my Graham tonearm andSOTA Sapphire turntable. I wouldn’t think of spending much more on a cartridge unless I became pretty wealthy
Sweet setup you have there! Congrats!
@@anadialog Thank you.
Off the subject matter of this particular video but I feel the need to make a comment on a previous recommendation you made on headphones. I bought the HIFIMAN HE-560 based on your recommendation and nothing else. I have to say I was very disappointed at first. I have the SP200 amp, the A90 and the Asgard 3. The HE-560 sounded very thin and unimpressive on all three amps. I was going to sell them but picked up the new Schiit Jotenheim 2 before I did. The Jotenheim 2 was finally enough amp to properly drive the HE-560 and I have to say you were correct in giving them a stellar recommendation. The difference was shocking actually. They went from so so to spectacular. Thanks for the recommendation, you were right!
Thank you so much for this feedback and for your trust. For me it means a lot! I am convinced that a lot of people have underestimated these cans due to the high power required to drive them, which is a downside afterall. Speaking of planars, I was shocked how bad the famous Audeze sounded. So thick and dark...
@@anadialog I have the lcd-x also. I personally love them but they can be a bit too intense for casual listening. They are great for Hans Zimmer type soundtracks though, they are one of the few headphones I have that can handle playing the track 2049 from the Bladerunner 2049 soundtrack. But when it comes to just relaxing and enjoying the music the HE-560 is much better, they produce a very nice clear sound with a good soundstage without being fatiguing. Thanks again for recommending them, they can’t be beat for enjoying the music and relaxing which is what we are all in this hobby for.
Interesting!
Interesting concept accounting for needle deflection. I am reminded of the guy who always put a sticker on the back of the cart before mounting. I thought this was a bit snake oil but now understanding needle deflection maybe it wasn't so crazy after all.
Thank you, very, very useful!
I've owned a Lyra Delos and heard the Kleos at an audition, whilst they are both great cartridges they are a little thinner in the midrange than other high end MC designs. I replaced my Delos with a Shelter 9000 and it did make the Lyra slightly lightweight sounding from top to bottom. I own an SL1200GR and an Avid Acutus Reference SP and for my Technics I have a Benz Micro Ruby Z which is one of the best balanced cartridges I've ever heard. It beats out the Shelter for micro dynamics, shading and midrange detail, the Shelter is more like a full sounding Lyra. Appreciate what you are saying about system matching but for me personally the Lyra sound is not a good match for direct drive turntables that have have less time smear than belt drive designs, you can have too much of a good thing. At the end of the day though as long as you are happy with the sound thats what counts, thats why this is such a great hobby :)
Thanks for your reflections on this, Interesting.
Looks great! Like the thoughts
I just got my 55th anniversary Technics SL 1210. Right now I’m using an Ortofon Cadenza Bronze. On my Gyrodec/SME set up I have a Lyra Kleos. I’m happy with it there but I have a feeling it would be not as good as with the 1210.
@@jimdalto6254 If like me you are hearing more immediacy and cleaner leading edges to notes via the Technics compared to the Gyro you are not alone. There seems to be some distinct differences between DD turntables and their belt drive counterparts which to me sound softer and more diffuse, especially if they are sprung. If you think about it it’s no surprise given the the differences in approach to spinning a record. I’ve owned both Gyro and Orbe and they are great sounding tables, the Orbe in particular takes you very close to high end belt drives at a pretty decent price point.
Yes the prices need to be high, like the Linn shiny boxes to give us that audiophile Klimax;)
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You ever tried any of the soundsmith cartridges? They have been praised by the reviewers.
Not in my system...absolutely! Great stuff!
Thanks for one more great video and fair impressions! Which Dynavector did you have? It will be nice to hear your opinion about cartridges that you owned, which impressed you?
Thanks! Dynavector 20X2L
ANA[DIA]LOG thanks for your answer. Have you compared this cartridge with similar ones on this price range (about 500$)? Was it the best for you for the money? Just looking for the upgrade for my Audio Technica AT120Ea MM cartridge (very basic one) and it is quite difficult to chose without listening. Low output MC cartridges should be the best choice as I was pretty lucky to buy a used Black Cube SE II in a bargain price, ‘cause you recommended that one.
Not that many and in any case, it makes sense when used at home. I was quite convinced by the Hana lineup...check them out if you can. Bravo for the Lehmann!! Great choice, still today, one of my favorite pre-amps. Hope you like it!
@@anadialog yes, Lehmann is very good phono preamp and I am completely satisfied with it, thanks for your advise! Actually, I can compare only with my built-in phono preamp in Sony TA-F550 ES integrated amplifier. But in every case, sound quality is impressive, even with my cheap cartridge - I suppose because of Lehmann preamp. And cartridge upgrade should bring me even more fun from the vinyl.
I’ll check Hana lineup as well, thanks.
Thank YOU!
Thanks for representing to us something that we never be capable to own.
Well, that isn't valid for everyone, plus I review and suggest all segments, low, mid and high-end. It's good and fair to observe and analyze everything on the market IMO.
Your exactly right
For value, I'll look into Nagaoka cartridges... yes MM not MC but I would say a MP500 should hold its value pretty against other cartridges worth much more (and it's not cheap: around $1000)
I have a MP-110 which is much more reasonable price (~$150) and it sounds great and it fits my modest system and it is a great value in terms of sound for the price. Just make sure you use good condition records as it picks so much details so will the flaws... but I'm sure you wouldn't play $1 (or less) thrift store records with the Lyra even properly cleaned...
I think nagaoka MP110’s bass and treble is exaggerated. It’s a boomy cartridge. But it’s a fun piece indeed
Trying to decide between the regular Kleos and Kleos SL. Have you compared both of those? I can accommodate both.
I haven't but for the money I would recommend the Pure Fidelity Stratos. Little known but absolutely great sound!
You mentioned your Dynavector, is that the 20x2? I've been thinking about buying the 20x2L for a long time
Yes, the 20X2Low output. A great cart! Needs juice though!
Yes not a bad cartridge but I would consider Hana ml little bit more just under 1000 if that's too much go with the sh, better cartridge all together better channel separation what you're looking for and microline is a better way to go quieter noise on the record less likely to get inner groove distortion
@@anadialog my apologies if I missed the review. Will you be posting your review of the Dynavector 20xl?
You didn't mention what Dynavector you have?? I went from the 20x to Lyra Delos. It's 2x the price of the Dynavector. I notice immediately the noise floor was much lower on the Lyra. Tracking is very quiet. That's good for certain types of music which has more quiet moments. I can't recall too well of the Dynavector but it was a very good cartridge.
The Dynavector 20X2L! It was much cheaper 5 or 6 years ago. I also had the Lyra Dorian, quite good.
@@anadialog I bought my 20X2H just before you at 1000 cad. It was my first high end cart so nothing to compare it with. Then I heard great things about the Lyra Delos. Tried it. Thought it was a bit more refined and gentler with much lower floor noise. That's a good thing. I would be interested in a review of the Hana cart.
I wonder how it compares to my Denon DL 110 high output moving coil cartridge fitted to a Hadcock uni-pivot tonearm tracking at 1.8 grams.. This cartridge is the same price as it was in 1980. Also, unless you have a dedicated moving coil phono stage, you will not get the benefits of a low input moving coil cartridge.
That's no comparison absolutely it's apples and oranges.
Would this cartridge be compatible with my 3009 SME arm.
Norman.
Ciao, hai mai sentito la Lyra Clavis DC? Stavo pensando di dare in permuta la mia Benz Micro Glider per questa. Certo è una testina piuttosto vecchia, e il rischio che il diamante sia consumato e da ristilare...ma la tentazione è forte, a leggere alcune recensioni sembra veramente ottima
No ma Lyra è sempre Lyra...
Which model Dynavector do you use? I’m looking at getting a new cartridge soon. I currently use a Dynavector DV10x5. I fancy going up there range now. I have a Michel Gyrodec with a Technoarm. An Avid Pellar phono stage a Primaluna Dialogue HP integrated amp and Harbeth SHL5+ speakers
Nice! I have the same Primaluna. I had the Dynavector 20X2L. The DV10x5 is also a great cartridges, that is a true cart that holds quality and value.
@@anadialog been offered a 20xxmk2 for a good price by a guy in the trade. Read some reviews and it seems decent. How are you finding your Primaluna. Have you upgraded your tubes yet?
I like the Primaluna a lot. I would be curious to listen to the Evo for the differences. I just replaced the preamp section tubes, with matched Psvane...sweet sound!
@@anadialog might be worth a do . A bit cheaper too although I really fancy going from the standard EL34’s to KT150’s at some point. Heard really good things
Hello Guido - gratulation for your new equipment! It´s funny, last week a Hifi friend of mine upgraded from VPI Prime (ADS) with Koetsu Black to Techdas Airforce III with Kleos cartridge. Tonarm I do not know, but it costs about 5.000 eur. He said to me, the new setup blow the old one away, even the base feets etc. is not perfect up to now. So I think, perhaps the Technics with his tonarm might be the bottleneck. I do not know.
I´m struggeling because I always thinking if I should get his "old" setup which is in a very good condition - what do you think? My current setup is an old Thorens TD 2001 with Ortofon Quintet Red - I´m not satisfied with it.
True, that is a week point and I am tickled to try and upgrade that...🙈
@@anadialog yes, surely a 1200 lacks the finesse to compliment a cart of this calibre?! They may be upwards of £1000 now, but they we’re about £400 20 years ago - great value, but budget by hifi stakes.
I would love a Techdas. I too have a Prime with a Koetsu. The phono preamp is a Parasound JC3+ and the rest is Pass Labs + Focal Speakers. Even with a Techdas I would want to have at least one Koetsu cartridge and perhaps an Atlas Lambda by Lyra.
How many hours had your review cartridge been used for? The character of a new cartridge or stylus does change over the first 50 hours, or so of use, often sounding bright or hard initially, gradually settling down and definitely improving.
It is a dilemma for the reviewer!
I agree. Don't worry, I have used it probably around that or perhaps even more. I received it at the end of November and has been playing almost every day for a few hours.
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Thank you so much Roger!! You're my fuel! And thanks for the tip!
As usual I am a bit late to the table but it does not mean I did not enjoy this video. I specifically like the discussion about the price. In this case I think you get what you pay for and the price is correct for the product, hand made in Japan and all. However the law of diminishing return is in full swing here and this is the real high end, clearly not for me.
So I will be looking very much forward to Guido's video about pricing of HiFi equipment. It is a rabbit hole almost as deep as cables. BTW both are very relevant to each other, even Steve Guttenberg admits that.
Thanks Hugo!
Lyra is great. but very tough to tame the digital sounding hi freq. great matching is a must and it's not for everybody
Sound better if you lift the cartridge plus the arm is better in resonance and overhang weight reduced, tightening the cartridge changes the compliance frequency as well.
Put a nylon washer in the middle on the Edge between the headshell cartridge probably need some nylon washers on the bolts should have anyway as well. could be tricky finding position when tightening, you got aluminium bolts bend slightly at the head end so it's more inlined with the angle and will not move so easily when tightening, the small 2 mm gap you'll probably get away without bending the bolts ideally more is preferable that will have to be approaching different way I think I did leave your comment on that before! This is a big benefit lowers the centre of mass of the arm and reduces weight of overhung mess give it a go you shouldn't have a problem with the little nylon washers just a bit fiddly ideal if you got some balsa wood cut a little wedge the dampening effect on the cartridge might be lost slightly with the Nylon wash.
Turntables taking some energy away from the cartridge as well and main bearing, very difficult to upgrade those techniques possible don't think there's anything available on the market. Do you know what type of Central bearing it has on that model I only know the Mark 2 mark 1.
Try the washer or little wedge let me know how you get on it was your dynavector cartridge is that the X2. Ideal if you can bend the headshell what you can do to achieve it is the easiest ideally 5 degrees. You're probably won't try probably just wasting my breath like a normally am
Best cartridges is the van den Hul Crimson about the same price you're not a fan of Hans cartridges people claim they are the best
Huh!
I need to read this again and concentrate. Please don't say your wasting your breath! I am interested but I also have a family and a job...;-)
It is basic physics mate got nothing to lose have you clearly I haven't convinced you only by trying it yourself will you be convinced. a absorption pad would be beneficial Origin live make one
All good on paper, no doubt a nice player but way too expensive. Thanks for the well balanced review. Some competitors with 1/4 the price can do the same or even better in some regards. That's subjective to one's objective. :)
I agree!
If you are lookig for extreamly hight cost-effective hifi system I suggest try vintage Grundig gears e.g. Super hifi box 650 professional + V 1700 or V 7000 + cd 7500 or 7550 + PS 1020
Ciao ! I'm also with ATL440 ...but Lyra could be next step ? Please I need your assistance for some audiophile acquisizione in Italy and I want your support if it's possible.... Can we discuss on email or somehow. Grazie Mille for all sharing ( I wait the is2 hdmi to digital DSD convertor Thx :) )
Thanks for your message but I don't think it is a good idea that I mediate an acquisition. Sorry about that.
I am new to this, and I can't figure out the balance point. For example in digital for 1000 Euro DAC you are expected to pay 4-500 Euro for the amp to stay in about the same quality range, but for 3000 Euro turntables how expensive must be the cartridge and phono to have about the same level of quality across the chain? I know many would advise me to start cheaper but a in my digital, it will just be a waste of money on components that will be out of use inside of 1-2 years. I already have a small collection of records from my parents and I figure it out it would be a shame to let them sit there.
Amp certainly deserves more attention and money than DAC. Turntables are strange. I think a 1000$ tt, if done properly can challenge a 3k one with no problem. Carts change a lot below 600-800$ then IMO little things happen.
Keep it up
Which headshell are you using these days?
I went back to my lightweight magnesium ADC headshell.
the point of an expensive cartridge. is probably also a fantastic sound image . but then maybe it also needs speakers that can create that sound image
Why cant I hear a sound demo I just want to hear it!
Entire AnaDiaLog vid without ever a "typology" uttered?
Who are you and what have you done to our audio guy!!??
I left that several videos ago! ;-) I learned several things from you guys and try to speak better thanks to those suggestions.
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Keep doing the lord's work 👍👍
And he didn't say, "fun-da-men-tal." I miss those days... Hee, hee!
And I thought the Ortofon 2M Black was "a bit pricey"....silly me.... :-)
But that is real world...here we are discussing supernatural stuff! ;-)
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For that type of money they should personally install for you!
a real bargain. 👌
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I'm sure it's a great cart, but it's way out of my price range. I've never heard anything bad about these carts.
One point of clarification did you purchase the cartridge or was it supplied to you for the review?
I tend to agree that it seems too expensive. I am running a Soundsmith rebuilt B&O MMC2 ( €900 with postage and duty). Saphire cantilever and nudecontact line diamond. MY aim is to get the soundsmith Voice B&O style cartridge, which at US$2000 ( postage and duty would add to the cost) beats this Lyra cart ( on paper)
Purchased it.
Many high-end cd-player manufacturers strive to get an "analog sound" (even if all sounds are analog-by the way), or I better say a vinyl sound, the Lyras strive to create a cd-sound type. The sound of Lyras is without a soul, no passion, no red cheeks, no blushes. As I've ranted before the sound of an audio system must be soulful, it must warm your soul and your bones it must be an aural, ethereal sound that makes you dream. Of course, the secret is the right type of whiskey or cognac or even a good old red wine.
That may be true with the helikon but the kleos is incredibly warm and soulful yet capable of squeezing out nearly every drop of detail
You're obviously deaf if you think Lyras are boring and "without a soul".
@@lorigetz4489 Same with the Delos. That guy is hard of hearing, or he didn't have it set up properly/not a good match with his system etc.
Isn’t everything that ends up on vinyl, begins on some sort of magnetic tape? So surely to get the best sound we avoid all the problems with vinyl and just get the original master tape would be cheaper!!! I’ll get my coat!
Maybe the Delos suits u more?
Could be, but I wanted to try the new angle and experiment a true high-end model.
The problem with moving coil cartridges (at lest some of them) is that they are so insanely expensive they just don't justify their WTF cost. 10 to 14 thousand US dollars is not an uncommon price for top end MCs today. Their makers are bandits and their customers rich and foolish. The alleged hyper "detail" of moving coil cartridges is the result of overshoot on square waves and a rising top end typical of the breed. Levels of +12 db above 14K is not unusual in most MCs.
Not sure of the curent cost of the Kleos but it retailed for $3000 US when it first came out as a replacement for Lyra's "budget" Helikon. Current versions in Canada retail for $4800. It's also one of Lyra's more "modestly priced" offerings if you can believe that.
I partially agree but it isn't that simple. I will do a video soon on the topic...
Maybe or maybe not.
The problem is the format itsef, and there is no physical way to avoid this trouble.
I love the analog tape, but vynil has been, is and will be the worst media concebaible way for achieve a real high fidelity sound.
And you kow this. (By the way: I'm a fan of your RUclips channel).
Woah! The worst? You too hard on analog media man! ;-)
there should be a Denon cartridge for $ 700
Actually EMT JSD S75 are way more neutral and dynamic compare to Lyra kleos.
I'm over here with my 80$ Ortofon OM-10 and this Cart costs 3000$!!! 😳😳😳
Great vd on a subject dear to me, so thx. But your subjective experience with this type of cartridge and price tag, perhaps have more to do, on the psychological side of it, because as u say: the price doesen't add up to what you hear/experience. But as u also say, this is the first time you made such a leap on cartridges, and that is a big leap from the Dynavector (price tag), and maybe you thought in your head, that a cart that expensive, should pull of the roof for u, but that wasn't the case? I think there is more going on, than just what u hear and experience in value and performance. There must be a place, back in your head, where this price tag hunts u, and maybe that's the reason why your maybe confused over it all? Iv'e have been there myself with Audio gear, when taking a big leap up in prices, and i do think there is some guidelines to this, but it's for the most on the psychology side of it for me. I'm thinking about trying the Delos for my next cart? I own the magnificent Rega P8/Apheta II combo, but when my Apheta is done, i'm thinking of this choice to be a good one (Lyra/Delos). Happy listening :-) Cheers from Denmark
Yes, Thomas you are probably right in some points. I can only say that high-end can't only be high prices and decent quality. I am not haunted. I accept and deal with this and other stuff even more expensive. If it doesn't impress me, then I accept it and just sell it back. No problem. Another comment said that the tonearm may somehow limit the performance of the Kleos and I think he is right, nevertheless when you get a thoroughbred you always perceive it's different league and quality. A good arm will help a lot but it will not change things dramatically IMO. But I will try in the future. I am rather convinced that the hi-fi industry is making a deliberate steer towards luxury and elite creations more and more just for the purpose of it and ransom profit without true equivalent quality behind it.
Sure that your dj turntable is good for such a cartridge? I have my doubts... Don't you have a better turntable?
Well, it's a 4000€ turntable, not exactly a DJ turntable IMO
BTW Michael Fremer tested the same turntable with a Lyra Etna, much more expensive than a Kleos...
I am a cat.
Be nice if we could actually see it,,?
I inserted some pieces of videos in the main video where you can get a good glimpse. Don't know if you saw them, if you did, maybe they weren't enough...
Did you say liar?
The perfect cartridge? If you crap gold bars.
Just out of my price range ,but it lack meat on the bones . Guess it was a dog
Your talking about the phono amp. But your tonearm is not good enough for that arm.
I agree, the tonearm could be better but again we are talking of a high quality magnesium tonearm by Technics, not a crosley or plastic tonearm. The cart should deliver according to its expense, proportional to the capabilities of the tonearm but also in respect to the other cartridges I have tried that cost a fraction of the Kleos and are very close to it. That remains a fact.
It's very expensive.
Maybe your arm and lp deck are not on level with this one?
I use different mats and headshells to correct that
The new angle is nothing new. Hi end cartridge designers have been doing this for decades. BS marketing for all the young dummies in this hobby.
Your turntable is the bottleneck
A Technics SL1200G? I don't think so. Perhaps the arm. In any case it's a 4000$ tt. In any case now it's gone and I have a Kuzma Stabi R.
@@anadialog I suggest you try the kleos on that. It would be an interesting test.
How about judging the sound quality by giving us some samples. Why should we listen to your verbiage??
Usually I do that but not in this case even though it isn’t that useful because you don’t know how the rest of my system sounds so you don’t really know what has been added or subtracted to the final sound. That is why my humble opinion with over 83k subs should be enough for credentials, especially in HiFi.
A lot money going down the drain.
Do yourself a fav and stop wasting
Your dou on vinyl.
Lyra Kleos is not amazing. It is the worst I have listen.
Buy a CD-player for €200 and you have 10 times better sound 🙂
You haven't been listened to any high end analog systems I guess.
I wish it would so. I would save hours of tweaking and adjusting. Plus I have one of the best players on the planet and one of the best DAC on the plante but unfortunately vinyl and also tape just feel more engaging and simply better sounding. Whoever tries a quality analog system, never looks back. You're hooked for good.
Depends on mastering of the CD
If you have been following me I have widely answered to that. I will just say that in terms of nunbers and measurements, frequency response in analog media can be as good or, in some cases, better than digital media. Dynamic range, no. The key word here is engagement. Quality analog music reproduction has characteristics that make you feel closer to the music and the original recording, it more engaging. That engagement may be called by someone high-fidelity, faithful to the excitement that real music delivers, regardless the distortion and coloration that analog introduces, which is clearly part of the game.
And then we have to spend more
Dou on a phono stage. Stop the insanity it's not worth the hassle!
Who claims something like that never experienced a true high quality analog experience...am I wrong? Have you ever had a high quality analog setup?
@@anadialog Obviously not lmao!
This cartridge and more than likely the Dynavector you own are too good for the table. A better table, a better tonearm would have taken you far ahead of the setup that you have now. As Linn would say, the turntable is most important, then the arm , then the cartridge. Look at the turntable as the chassis of an automobile. if it is not light and stiff, the suspension will not work to its fullest. Then you can talk about motors. The table should be as stable, as accurate in speed, and quiet. The arm has to have the ability make sure the installed cartridge tracks to the best of its abililty. The cartridge though is tied to the quality of the phono preamp. You don't plug in a Lyra into a cheap and cheerful preamp for one or two hundred bucks on Amazon and expect it shine. A better table arm setup with a fifty dollar Audio Technica will outperform your table with any cartridge isolation devices that you can throw at it. Hell most decent to exceptional cartridge's will perform to a much higher standard and probably harder to discern the differences between them. And that's the fact Jack! Actually that last bit is a quote from a Bill Murray film, Stripes but it makes the point. But this is stuff people with (audiophile ?) backgrounds have known for decades. Most any specialty dealer used to easily demonstrate this. No new knowledge here.
The phono pre-amp is stellar ;-) but the rest is a very good turntable and tonearm. Not in the same league of the Lyra, that is true. Nevertheless, good old Michael Fremer used a Lyra Etna for the Technics SL1200G review...