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Verstappen and Hamilton 3D Crash Animation - Formula 1 British Grand Prix 2021
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2021
- 3D reconstruction of the crash between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton at the F1 race at Silverstone. Comparison with Qualifying lap and some details of the crash. Enjoy the crashalong!
Verstappen & Hamilton collide on Lap 1. A very interesting accident between the championship rivals. Do you think it was a racing incident? Did Verstappen leave enough space, should Hamilton have seen it coming? What is your favorite vegetable? What crash would you like to see next?
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At some moments during the reconstruction, I have to make educated guesses about the dynamics of the car and circuit components. It is not all simulated and I do not claim that the animation is 100% correct. It is based on the experience of a simple mechanical engineer with a fetish for crashes.
Software: Blender 2.93 (www.blender.org)
3D Models: F1 cars from OpticalDreamSoft (www.opticaldre.... Track from Assetto Corsa with adaptations to suit the 2021 circuit layout.
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The second this incident happened I could just imagine the crashalong dude running straight to his PC....
They have extreme rendering times lmao
Me too
LOL ... :)))))
Same
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It was once again confirmed by Toto that Bottas was at fault
Lmao
Mercedes has no spine. At least give us a fair race between YOUR cars if you are going to rob the world of a fair race amongst others. NO. Mercedes must suck the D of Hamilton the sham.
Shamilton
Pronto Jhamilton? Sbinner time
I agree, 3 cm.
I know im a bit late but christ this looks way too good, comparing this to the Grosjean sim you did after his crash you can see the improvements so well. Can’t wait to see where this channel goes moving forward
You mean more accidents for th channel to move forword?
@@theunsolved6052 Crashes are inevitable in F1 so this channel reconstructs that. Its not like we hope for crashes but they will happen
If you compare the line Lewis took to pass LeClerc and compare it to the line he took with Max on the same race the difference will be clear: Lewis went wide and you can’t just ignore that on a track where Lewis has won 8 times. The issue isn’t whether he intended to collide. The issue is that he either overshot (driver error doesn’t excuse you from strong penalties) or he intended to force Max wider. Either way it’s on Hamilton.
Totally agree. He knew he was not going to be able to ride the inside track. Max left room for Lewis to take a controlled turn. Lewis is is cheating the turn. If the outside driver gives space, then he will will have to break or come off the outside end of the turn. This is what happened to LeClerc. Lewis seems to like this move. He did the same thing to Albon. The outside driver is in a defenseless position. Not sure why stewards and analysts thing this is a driving incident.
It's not that it deosnt matter if her intended to make contact, far from it, its that there are two different issues. One is the incident itself, the other is intent. On the incident itself Hamilton was clearly at fault, it was nevertheless an unremarkable error. He overtook Max on a narrow line and didn't sufficiently account for the reduced speed he would be about to carry through the corner. On its own merits that is a fairly common mistake that happens multiple times every race weekend, and thus is not worthy of an especially heavy penalty. If you intentionally take someone out, then you could easily be black flagged. In this case I don't see any evidence of the latter. It is unfair that Hamilton should benefit from his own mistake at Max's expense. However, that doesn't make any difference to the application of the rules. If anything, a 10 second penalty was a stronger penalty than you would expect judging the incident purely on its own merits.
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee
With increased risk comes increased responsibility.
Also, since there isn't even a braking zone in this corner missing the apex by as much as Hamilton did is not a "regular mistake". If you turn in to late for some reason you can easily lift of the throttle and you'll hit the apex. Which is why you never see any blunder remotely like this. Even Bottas could do it perfectly. Even Piastri as a rookie managed to do it perfectly, but Hamilton is on a trajectory that misses the apex by at least 2 meters. But only when the championship was on the line, he was fine in that same race against Leclerc and once again a year later against Leclerc.
This move from Hamilton is either exceptionally amateur or deliberate. In either scenario Hamilton should have been disqualified from that race.
OK well it's not letting me respond in any depth without removing my comments. I'll just say I take your point about the increased risk inherent in high speed corners. But your view of this crash is overly simplistic.
Incidentally, given that you think this justified a black flag, what was your view of the brake check later in the year?
Never expected to see a whole reconstruction of the crash, pretty cool
Why not? Red bull is trying to sue merc for the damages.
Him leaving room for Hamilton to take the ideal line only shows that lewis was incompetent at leaving max "alive" to fight another corner.
Also lewis could've gone more to the inside like he did when he passed Leclerc in lap 50. There he was on the green tarmac on the inside. With less speed. It's possible to overtake at copse, is it smart? Debateble. Did both take way to much speed into copse, yes. But that's the 1st lap. It just doesn't justify going off the ideal race line to tap the right rear tyre. Driver's got penalty points on their race license for far less than this. BUT if Max did this to lewis with the same victory lap max would also lost my support.
@@RedRingOfDead I think any legal investigation will look at one key detail, they both flew in to copse on heavy fuel and cold tyres faster and braking later than the fastest Q3 time. They both went in harder trying to out game the other driver and this is what happens. Lewis missed the apex but he didnt intentionally outwardly steer towards verstappen, they will also see max turned in, had a micro look/counter steer and carried on turning in after showing he was willing to take the risk. I see no way to claim that hamilton did this with intent.
@@Chris-xl6pd still with max being intentionally ok the outside. And lewis not even hitting apex. Remember that he could've also choose the green tarmac on the inside. Like when he overtook Leclerc in the same corner. It shows that he exactly knew what he was doing. And that infact he could've done the same in round 1. They already laid the blame on Hamilton. And is he is a prick enough to deny it's his fault. Then maybe he needs to feel the same impact. Same corner. As I've said on other video's, lewis was to emotional to make rational choices. Because max delivered a psychological heavy hit in his face during sprint. And lewis didn't want to lose his home GP. No matter what the cost was
@@RedRingOfDead
Frogboy had room on the left but chose to turn into Lewis.
@@imadbasayev8541 precisely, even if it meant going too wide, he would still be in the race and fighting for a win, whether he ended up 1st, 2nd or even 3rd after that corner!
It’s very impressive how you do these things in such a short time.
That’s what she said
@@rajjy1976 xD
They use a computer.
Its called know how.
Accurate.. Redbulls lawyers are looking into this incident. LH needs to know for himself the consequences of his actions, he could have easily let go of the throttle for a millisecond and this incident would not have happened but instead made contact with MV that could have had fatal result.
The FIA rules format needs to change with the obvious bias pointing towards LH and Mercedes.
I don’t know what “Max left only enough space for the ideal line” means. He’s leading the race. He doesn’t need to offer the chasing driver a choice of driving lines. Look at Leclerc and Hamilton on lap 50.
You need to learn the rules, they were side by side, so the regulations state that they must both give proper racing room. Max crossed into Hamilton's line and caused the collision.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 Yes, they were side by side well before the corner. At the point of turning in, Lewis had laready backed off ready to side swipe Max's rear tyre. Also, when you look at the steering wheels of each car just before the """accident""", Max tries to veer away while Lewis makes no attempt to avoid him.
@@tonyb7779 what a bunch of bullshit you posted, Hamilton was taking the corner, it was max that crossed into Hamilton's line.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 Yes you are required to leave racing room for a car that is alongside. You don’t need to leave the line that they would prefer to take unoccupied.
You said it in this video; Max did leave enough space for a car in the ideal race line and Hamilton was never really completely alongside Max, he was very close to that. It's a very difficult one to talk about it. I think Hamilton had to get off the gas pedal with all his experience or at least taking the apex
go back to school professor. ya clearly can't read subtitles.
@@colonizers you mean the comments thought? If not, do more your best at school or search for the definition of "subtitles" boy!
@@sjahien no i meant the subtitles in the vid dumbfk
@@colonizers Dont worry man, its allowed to write your own opinion, some people just go on the internet to shittalk.
They said that Hamilton tried to back out and max left enough space for a car in the ideal race line but he knew that hamilton wasn't in this line so it's is fault too. It's not the first time verstappen don't leave enough space remember about ocon and verstappon in brazil
Reading back the comments I think the text didn't really got across like intended. Before making this animation I was convinced Hamilton simply drove out too wide, like with Albon, and was fully to blame. I was worried to be constraint to my presumptions and perhaps I forced myself a bit too much in the other way in my wording. Anyways:
The point I am making in this video is that both drivers took way too much speed to go through the corner together. Max seemingly didn't leave a lot of room for Hamilton, but with this speed he couldn't follow a very wide outside line and still make the corner. If he steered out off track he would risk being penalized for track extending, like so often in the past. Maybe he assumed Lewis would yield like in the previous corners? But he forgot Hamilton was racing for home victory, and was not going to give way again.
Hamilton, although he did get of his throttle before the corner (this is what I mean with backing out), he did so very much too late and was never ever making the corner with a car alongside, taking more speed at the entry than a Q3 lap without being on the ideal line. Perhaps he assumed (hoped) Verstappen would yield the place, given Lewis was convinced he was more than enough alongside? But it was Max Verstappen he was racing. Maybe Hamilton got used to fighting Bottas too much?
PS: I love the fight these two are having and what it's bringing to F1. Putting my nationalism aside, I can't pick a favorite.
Great anaylisis and animation!
@@Crashalong Amazing work! Is it possible for you to extrapolate what lines would have been taken if the cars could ghost through each other?
Max got used to Hamilton yielding. this time he didnt.
What a lovely Animation, also I think it’s a complicated incident. But if you look on the onboard of max you see he corrects his line by steering in for a second time mid corner, so I think he left enough space for a car next to him who is hitting the apex.
I also think if Lewis did hit the apex and they didn’t touch that max just run wide.
But we wil never know, but it’s an awesome fight this year that’s for sure
Really, I am more puzzled on how to keep track of all these comments, than how to make a 3D animation like this
Thank you for this video! Great as always!
can you do Mark webber and Heikki Kovalainen valencia 2010
Don't worry about the comments mate. Just keep the excellent work going. I've just had a training course on multi body dynamic simulation software and I kept wondering if I could use it for these sorts of incidents!
No worries mate. Some are great with Machine Intelligence some are great with Humans Intelligence.
Could you do a birds eye view of the whole corner with the 3 traces on it so you can see the full trajectory until contact?
Was this animation what Toto emailed the race director shortly after the crash?
you mean during the race
@@ferrer985 after the crash was in the race...
totally manipulated video
Hamilton NEVER put his front wheels ahead of those of Verstappen
@@yallowrosa Yes and it also never happened in the animation...
The biggest issue, in this case, was that while Max MAY not have been able to keep his car on track Lewis was NEVER making that corner...without some redirection and speed scrubbed from the contact with Red Bull's rear tire that is. There's no way I see it as intentional from Lewis, but my belief is it was more emotion than logic that had him trying that move. If Max goes off he loses the position but when Lewis took that line it was only ever going to end badly for Max, if not potentially for both of them.
Here is a quote from Cristian Horner after Max did one of his Kamikaze tactics in Spain 2021
Turn 1 was mega. I mean Max, that was full Max Verstappen - he was just going for it - and he positioned the car fantastically well, He tucked in, he got a little bit of a tow and a bit of momentum. And yeah he just braked later and ran the car wide. Thankfully Lewis had got out of it because otherwise he would have ended up in the fence,”
Looks.like when Max does it, it's all praise and he's not responsible for anyones safety, but when Lewis does, he's a villain.
@@kirkpatrick7475very well put sir. Mad max gets away with absolutely everything
So that's settled then. It was Mazipan's fault
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Comment of the month goes... to.... 🤣🤣🤣
Unless you're Toto.
Then its Bottas's fault.
@@alan133 Michael... this is Toto... BAN THAT BASTARD MAZESPIN HAHA !!! 😜👌🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mclarenF1race here's an email explaining why.
Toto: Michael! I've sent you an e-mail with a fully animated diagram!
Michael: I don't read my e-mails.
Toto: You should check it 🤣🤣🤣
Michael: Feel free to go upstairs and see the stewards directly.
Totally Lewis's fault. He should have parked his car on the side for Max to win the race. Totally!
@@nickmo58 so funny...
@@nickmo58 🤣🤣🤣
"Hamilton tries to back out" well if thats the case, he did way too little. He was driving like he was the only one on the track. Which caused this accident. He left almost no space for verstappen to make that turn. And in the head of a decent F1 driver they would of course think "He's gonna give me the space needed" But Lewis didn't give him that space. This is without a doubt Hamilton's fault. Go ahead and argue how much you want to. But this is the case, and if you argue against it, you're simply wrong
and he gets penalty for it. case already closed
@@orvinsavero Oh, I didn't hear about that. That's my bad. Sorry!
Damn. This is a historic crash. So much like the Senna and Prost incidents. So many opinions, so many people arguing. I think the only true thing to take away from it is to continue such a legendary battle on track, I'd hate to see either of the drivers lose their chance to fight because theyre too afraid of crashing into each other. This is a pivotal point in the current Formula One regulations and I am loving it.
Well, Lewis definitely "got in there" on this one..
hahaha
Just like any racing (!) driver would.
@@jonelsorel they both went too fast into the corner, exception from Hamilton's inside trajectory it was impossible for him to ever even make the corner alongside someone else. Honestly, if you can't make a turn without hitting someone at 180 mph, you should back out imho no matter who you're driving
@@wp12mv And Max should open more the trajectory since Hamilton was already inside. So I cannot see whether is Hamilton or Max fault. Therefore, racing incident.
@@CelioAdilson max was heading towards the outside curb, Hamilton... was doing the same, except he was supposed to leave a car width to the outside for the other driver. He chose to spin VER off because he could, the alternative was taking the corner at a logical speed and not crashing, but Ham always gets away with 10s penalties...
I guess for next year we'll see some more tecpro barrier in that corner.
I think in the next few races they will be looking at extra barriers of impact to protect them more because this championship has just started 🚀
Toto to Hamlinton: "We missed the apex!"
Hamlinton: "We're not aiming for the apex!"
We are aiming to Max rearwheel...
@@ilkkak3065 😂
Was he ever aiming for the apex
@@ilkkak3065 Hamilton is the apex predator of other drivers rear wheels. he has done nearly the identical thing a good 5-6 times I can remember, and likely more. guy is a total clown POS
@@Nick.Keane77 Search for Hamilton crashes with Massa. You will find exact same situation as here on British GP.
Can you do a 3D model of internal organs experiencing 51gs?
whip a hamburger at a wall
hahahha
@@aspalovin At 200 kph with a potato gun
thats it, only 51g's? Richie Hearn, survives a 139 g crash at Kentucky. Change in velocity 120 mph. He limps away with only a broken foot. These F1 guys need to toughen up, haha, jk Here is a good one 23 sec into the video ruclips.net/video/E-UxZJpiDUM/видео.html
@@Ozzy3333333 someone crashed in the exact same spot earlier that week...
in *Indianapolis* (not Kentucky)...
FIA should update their safety protocal to lengthen their SAFER barrier
@@NxDoyle Its why he said "SAFER" you knew what he was getting at but you had to be the smart arse.
or keep the barrier and penalise drivers that intentionally pit manouver other drivers
yeah its really silly of them not to extend that Tecpro barrier , like why they didn't do that before ??
@@jokerdog3332 As you could see if two ruthless drivers fight each other, penalties don't avoid such a situation. So a more secure track is the only option at that point.
There used to be more gravel to slowdown the cars but it was removed since cars could rollover which would be greater disaster.
The thing missing from most coverage out there is lines taken at other times, for comparison. It gives context. This is the first video ive seen which overlays for comparison. If you could add more lines taken (ghost cars) in future, especially other overtaking attempts at the same location, i think that would take this to the next level. Great work.
Lewis' line vs Leclerc and Norris should've been added as well.
@@krypton9808 Well Norris just opened the door. Not interesting.
But Leclerc is interesting probably cause Hamilton backed of earlier that time but Leclerc was close Max’s line. The only reason Hamilton was beside Max was is he braked to late. Typical dive-bomb.
@@krypton9808 LeClerc later in the race left a lot less space for Hamilton and somehow he wasn't taken out, weird stuff.
@@kristoffer3000 actually if you look at his line it was almost the same as Max's. Only difference was that Lewis was a lot closer to the Apex
Hamilton was driving way too wide, there is a reason why Leclerc easely overtook him on the inside despite Hamilton was already suppost to drive on the inside.
Toto "we're 1 dnf away from being back in this"
Lewis "I got this"
exactly, he should be locked up & lulu barred for this Season!
Stfu.
Also toto “everything is allowed”.
He actually said that I guess his mouth got out of control, gonna play against him.
I was expecting the Avengers to come in and save the day with this music hahaha
@Toni Caso but a 7 time world champion in his place lmao . Stop being a hater max is no where near lewis skill
A lesson Hamilton learned from the sprint race , pass now or settle for 2nd place
So he took a gamble and it paid off in a way he did not expect.
@@hermandirkdenboef2596 in sort ways it always pays of for Hamilton, does anyone knows where he is buying his luck
Pass (crash) now 😂😂
@@ABCC528 he payed for his luck in part at Baku ;-;
But don't take your opponent out of the race!That was a pretty cheap shot of him to do that!!
The amount of space Lewis had to the right is astonishing. Combined with the fact, that he had perfect vision on Max gets you to the result, that this crash was easily avoidable. He fully accepted the risk of this crash, and therefore caused it pretty much deliberately. A 10s penalty was way too generous.
Absolute shit
Wow nice breakdown, I was so glad Max is ok!
What about lance stroll bunping over the kerb tho? 🤔 we need to know
I've seen a lot of videos about the crash but all of them were "more of talking" and less demonstration. This is by far the best video I've seen about the crash.
Beautiful animation but deadly crash. Thank god Max is okay.
How was it a deadly crash when no one died. In the past when the cars were not safe
@@snowrabbit9558 just like when you were waiting for the Germans in 1940, waving white flags 🏳️🏳️🏳️
He is fine, but he was also responsible for this crash
@@Disaronnodrinker What an intelligent comment...really man. you had to be working on it for several days...hadn't you?
@@Disaronnodrinker you meant, ‘waving’; & seriously, the WWII comments are pathetic😩 Get over it, mate🥴
This is awesome ! Thanks for making this 3D animation 👍
Damn these recreations are on another level!!
Better analysis than the official F1 youtube channel lol. Beautiful animation, well done!
palmer did great job I think
@@wdp_9917 He also said that he had not issue with the penalty, therefore implying he had no issue with the FIA's ruling.
Terrible analysis, biased against verstappen
@@KiLLJoYRUclips what you meant to say is "I didn't like it, hence it must've been biased"
@@juraj_b bri ish fans
Congrats!
From what I could see watching the animation, Hamilton was 100% side by side with the Verstapen, and in the sequence, at the moment of touch, he was bringing the car to the right, close to the tangency point, and did not leave the car escape to the side where Verstapen's car was. In my understanding, it was either a racing accident, or Verstapen's responsibility.
"Lewis is close to the normal racing line" but still farest form apex than every other times.
"Max left space only for a car" well shoud left space for 2 cars?
And where is Hamilton q3 ghost and his ideal apex?
The apex is much later in the corner. Also worth noting, is that an apex is not a static point. It changes to your circumstance.
This animation looks way more natural than the animation from the f1 story mode
If both cars didn't take the normal trajectory into the corner, then both would have to be aware of their surroundings because they were side by side. The video clearly shows both going into the turn but Hamilton doesn't keep the same turning tragectory, his curve straightens out and forces Verstappen to the outside, then hits him. You can't force someone off the track nor cause an accident attempting to prevent an opponent from taking a turn, a leaway must be given.
@UCQam-1urTmOVGK157u6yjlQ Yeah I lean towards racing incident still. My only counter to the " Lewis' line would have forced Max off the road" is the fact that Lewis was already giving up on the entry of this corner. The video mentions it as well. Lewis was planning to follow Max through the corner, because if Lewis slows enough to not hit Max, his line would end at the outer apex of the corner while Maxes would probably not and Lewis would possibly have more exit speed. Thats why Lewis said " he turned into me" , because if we know that he wants to yield and follow max into the sweepers, then Max did turn in on him as he was not next to him anymore, was yielding and if max had turned in less aggresively no crash would have happened.
Thats how I see it, Racing incident, both have equal fault. Lewis started to yield a little too late, Max turned in a little too sharp.
I do not quite agree that Hamilton had not way back, i saw a vide comparing the brake usage speed throttle etc. and Hamilton simply refused to back out... he had plenty of space there.
Why should he back out ?
It's a race.
Max should have given him more room.
They were racing, you know where the goal is to be in front of your competitors.
@@bombousboy He gave enough room and with the trajectory Hamilton was going he would barely have made the corner so it wouldn't even matter if he gave more room
As did max on the outside but chose to come inside . This is a racing incident all day long . As for red bulls over reaction they should hang their heads in shame .
@@bombousboy Because he wasn’t going to make the corner.
Excellent video. Show how there were inches in it. Lewis backs off a tiny bit more or Max leaves another tiny sliver of space and they miss each other. Just two guys having at it with unfortunate results.
Exactly this. Incidents like this are not as black and white as people might think they are. Same with Italy '21.
" When you no longer go for a gap, you no longer racing driver." -Ayrton Senna
My humble opinion, but men, have great balls, and this was an racing incident, that only, one ... suffered the consequences ...
When you go for the gap that doesn’t exist, you are just Pastor Maldonado or Daniil Kvyat
How do you do the deformation of the cars? Through softbody or cloth or hand animated? Amazing as always 👍
Looks to be hand animated, whenever I flick through photos vs his simulation the parts in the air seem to be 1:1.
Short time + good animation= great youtuber
How do you reconstruct this without the actual speed and position data of the cars? And the relative positioning on the AC track compared to how far they were on the real track? Looks impressive, just not sure on the accuracy or what’s assumed!
effectively it's an animation based on available images of the track. since we can fairly accurately tell where the cars are at each point you can reconstruct a crash in fairly good detail. I'd say you can consistently get to about 80% accuracy with this, which is useful for demonstrating to fans what happened.
@@justwobert9850 ah yeah. Works very nicely!
@@justwobert9850 totally unsure about this but he could have some telemetry data as well to accurately animate things like inputs
I'm not convinced about the accuracy other than the point of impact between max and Lewis. Before the actual crash Lewis sells max a dummy, Outside to inside. Both cars moving around isn't shown.
Also the corner exit trajectory is wrong for Lewis. The animation has him going straight and turning hard right before the kerb. Hamilton's on board doesn't show this steering input
I mean he probably studied the actualy footage a lot lol. You can interpolate where the cars are over time, no need to know the speed.
The summary of 2021: team bosses arguing.
A channel called “weekly dose of formula 1” chose your clip of Grosjean’s crash
Its impressive how a lots of millions knows how to drive correctly ;)
Sure it does haha
Not about driving correctly… it‘s about driving safe
Right!?
At the same time, your statement, effectively claims to disregard all of these arguments, covering it up with misplaced humour. Yikes.
Half of these fucks still cant use a turn signal worth a dam
You would think an accident has never happened in F1 before, I have seen far far far worse. Max simply left the door opened, because he thought Lewis would take the outside line as he done in the Sprint race, realized he made a mistake, and went for the dice, it is that simple.
Damn Max leaved lot of space, Max could easily blocked Hamilton but he did not... The only problem is that Hamilton gets understeer and misses the apex big time and clips Max in the back, quite simple.
that's as close to the truth as it gets
Here is the comment of a blind man.
I dont think he left a lot of space he def turned in. leclerc left a lot of space on the last lap same kinda scenario to me...max needs to learn when to be aggressive and when not to. this is where ham is better he always get points max needs to learn patience
@@thomaslynch9016 You're blind. Max HAD to turn in because else he wouldn't get the corner! Leclerc did NOT leave him MORE room than Max, only difference is: Your holiness took the apex, wich he didn't do with Max.
@Laika24102007 this is racing I'm not giving you ANYTHING max has a history of this thinking ppl are ALWAYS going to break and be passive...ham aint going this time got a dose of his own medicine
It could be very interesting to analyze the braking telemetry data of both cars.
@Toni Caso 🤣🤣
@Toni Caso Yes, that's what telemetry means
I don't think Max used his brakes
what brakes? they were both flat out
@@aquddus1907 Hamilton clearly braked
“If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver” - Ayrton Senna
Except that one didn't exist. He was under-steering the hell out of the car, then refused to back out and punted Max.
Come on, there was a gap there.
Says the dead pilot lol.
@@tkk3852 there was a gap there Hamilton just didn't take it he knew he was gonna hit max 3 year in a row he pulled the same move, he just a sore loser
@@andy110492 hamilton always backs out when max goes aggressive. And this time hamilton decided not to back out and max didnt know he was still there. Stop hating
really clear to me. max put the whole field on notice this year "I am NOT backing out!" Lewis and others have yielded to his aggression all season. this was the one time all season that someone decided not to yield, and you get the crash.
Pretty much a perfect assessment.
@@Chris-xl6pd
How many points taken away from his license for been aggressive?
Hamilton 4
@@pablocastro5462 If only you understood how much waving that single stat around showed how dumb you really are, you might actually have a chance at understanding.
@@Chris-xl6pd
The points is! It doesn't matter your opinion if just look at the numbers.
Verstappen no points taken.
Hamilton 4 points.
@@pablocastro5462 When you have nothing else to say just wheel out the same stat that means nothing in the context of the entire season. Life must be so easy being as dumb as you.
Please do this same 3D reconstruction with Brazil's 2021 incident between Max and Lewis
Brilliant, just brilliant.
Thank you for all your hard work to bring us these videos.
Fascinating graphic. Time after time, Max expects his greater risk-taking to bully others into backing off in 50:50 situations. Hamilton clearly felt enough was enough, and as a multiple world champion, he had every right- literally- to fight his corner. The only obligation Hamilton had to back out this time was the fact that in similar situations, he has conceded previously in order to avoid collision. Verstappen and Horner's outrage is mainly because Hamilton refused to be bullied once more. I'm glad Verstappen is OK, of course, but once the heat dies down, he should learn the lesson. Some drivers you can bully, others will concede to avoid collision, but in future, don't try and throw your weight around with Hamilton.
Don't forget hamilton is a bully himself to. I forgot how manny times he pushed rossberg of the track in the first lap of a gp. untill they crash in spain ware he rosberg did not yield.
I think ham knew pretty well he was gone hit ver and take massive damage. But i think he counted more on a full boddy sideways accident with a 2 car spin instead of a dead verstappen only.
i dont know if its considered bullying since we can see clearly in the top view that Ver gave space going into the corner and while turning. you can clearly see Ham can still move a little bit to the right but he did not
Beautiful
hamilton had 3 options
1. back out, and end up behind Max
2. take the corner properly, aiming for the apex, but as this wasn't the racing line he was probably end up behind Max
3. refuse to back out, crash into Max and hope for the best
I guess he went for number 3 then
he left enough space for hamilton to make the corner if he actually hit the apex like you'd expect from a 7 time world champion
Thumbnail looks like when Piquet vs Senna, when Piquet overtook the lead from Senna but he locked his rear wheels so it became a drifting overtake.
Now that was one of the great passes. What a driver!
A link to the mentioned overtake would be awesome...
Piquet also showed his middle finger to Senna while drifting
ruclips.net/video/-S_GeHq_SdU/видео.html
@@leonard_y32TYVM!!!
I think *this* is the pass I have remembered for years...
yet could not find because I had thought it was Nigel Mansell who had made the *incredible flat-tracking outside pass* for the lead...
(Maybe there is a similar pass from Nigel somewhere...?)
Hamilton had 2 options. Give more input into steering more right, or his current destructive path. Some how Lewis kept going straight, as Max started to steer in. Just before the contact, Max couldn't see Lewis anymore in his mirrors. So he steered in. Lewis wanted to force Max into a wider line. Else he would have turned in a bit more sharp.
Bingo
more input to steering: both cars are fuel heavy, god knows what kind of understeer they have. only the drivers would know.
lewis wanted to force max into a wider line: under normal conditions, thats racing. under this condition you would probably think that backing off is the correct choice, for the safety of the other driver and sportsmanship. but both went in too deep, both took risks. i dont think ham deliberately ram into max, and im sure max thought lewis backed off and tried to close the inside line, forgeting that ham didnt yield, maybe because its ham's home race or because his vendetta to regain the championship lead but either way its kinda 50/50 leaning to ham. ham deserved the penalty and lic penalties, but it could have been either of them that would crash, or even worse both.
im sure max hold no grudge against ham, and im sure ham apologized to max shortly after the race, or maybe during the race through team radio
@@aoyuki1409 I agree with much of what you said, and looking at the race only you are probably spot on. I however, tend to watch people’s behavior after the fact and have concluded based on the team’s reaction and the the things they said about it before anyone could draw an intelligent and informed opinion leads me to believe that they intended for this to take place. Obviously they didn’t intend for Max to have a 51 g crash but they wanted to send a message. Lewis has done this before. I am tired of people defending Lewis as a squeaky driver that is always the victim. If he admitted that he was too aggressive or optimistic and couldn’t get the line he expected then yes it could be construed as as a racing incident. But their behavior suggest premeditation.
@@alphanerdgames9417 i'll at least acknowledge that both team principal behaviour after the crash, and ham's behaviour after the checkered flag is the last thing from a moral example. i do think that a true champion must not act that way.
Lewis was already understeering.
I've been waiting for this. These breakdowns are still unmatched.
Wow! Just wow! We really have to depend on the 'little guy' for honest analysis, don't we? Can't expect F1 do publish great stuff like this. Great job!
Of course not, Lewis was found at fault. The media don't want to slander Lewis otherwise they might be called "racists."
@@HandlesSuck123 Yeah. It's a touchy subject. Makes for an exciting season, though doesn't it? I look forward to the return of the Max!
@@nickburak7518 I think this may have set a bad precedent. If Max does the same thing to Lewis in a future race, then in theory, he should only get a 10 sec time penalty, and a few points on his license.
Seems like a small price to pay for an easy 25 points over his nearest title rival.
@Janardan S Nice sneaker guy, ha ha. You know what they say about slim boys in comfortable shoes...
Yeah. I mean, you're right. It's touchy in one way - maybe you don't want to insult anyone, or maybe you wanna make an issue about something, like you say. It's a show. But people like to make an issue about shit all. And believe you me there are guys here who would disagree with me (or you) for little reason other than to try to reinforce their mistaken belief that they are smart. Sometimes it works. But there's lots of rudeness and unfounded opinions in RUclips comments. It's like the truth goes mostly unnoticed today. Making mountains outta mole hills. But I don't want to offend anyone either - it's an art that's beyond me. Seems like everyone is touchy these days. Lots of people are ven pissed off with God, so I'll never have a chance.
I'm from Canada, and we're 'chill', eh? We're easily offended by someone who isn't chill. Maybe they get excited or have a unique opinion or likes to play music at volume past 9 o'clock (say, above -25 dB). Shhh. Someone will hear and call the authorities, eh? I'm rambling. Sorry. We practically greet each other with 'sorry' all the time. "It's a nice day, eh? Oh I'm sorry, did I offend you? Were you hoping for rain?" Ha. 😳 I'm sure you've heard comics joke about us 'nice' Canadians, eh? But we're no less offensive in our minds than anyone else - we've just been practicing a little more to be careful about what we say. Shhh. So I get that. It's boring and full of bs, but what can I do? Millions of politicians jacking up on maple syrup gets us excited, eh? Pass the beer.
So yeah, F1 journalists, pundits, Sky TV; it's about excitement - a show, while rubbing no feathers - politically correct. Fair. Fair. But again they have their career to look after, so these kids have to be careful about what they say. They aren't pundits, they are journalists. And so they can only make a statement in the form of a question : "Did Hamilton Go Too Far? Today we'll hear the opinions of pundits who themselves have jobs to protect...so instead of telling it like it is, we'll ask the questions and you can come up with your own opinions."
Then we have Chain Bear and Scot Mansel and others, like here, who can show us the truth. Thing is, we're in the minority. Most people see the headline on Sunday night and use that on Monday morning to present to their colleagues that they are 'in the know'. "Did you hear about Max Verstappen? What an jerk." It is Max that's the problem.
@@HandlesSuck123 Interesting point J. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised. Two questions:
1. Do you think Max's mood will change going forward? Maybe firm up? Revenge?
2. What would you do if you were Max?
They both took the turn rather fast. Neither was going to yield. Someone was going to possibly be taken out. I'm glad that Max is okay to race another day. This is what racing is all about. Competition!
Lewis could have breaked earlier. Max could have taken a less agressive line leaving a bit more room for error.
Both didnt. If you dont go for a gap you are no longer a racing driver.
@@LunnarisLP lifted*. There is no braking for that corner.
The problem I have with this simulation is Lewis his part in this collision… 1st reason Lewis comes from the back 2nd Mac is in front of Lewis 3rd Lewis misses the apex bij more then a meter as if he can’t make it while later on he could hit the apex easy when he was trying to pass Charles
Don’t only show Max his side of the collision but also Lewis his side of the situation… then people are informed in the most complete way… now it seems only Max has to take responsibility and that ain’t a justified view of this situation…
Lewis, you're going to miss the apex... Hamilton: "What apex"...
Max, you‘re going to lose the race…
Verstappen: „which race“…
@@MDE_never_dies
Max: what’s a crash barrier
@@MDE_never_dies *Verstappen supporters:* _"Max got hit right in the face by Hamilton."_
*Hamilton supporters:* _"You got it wrong, bro. Max face desperately ran into Lewis fist. We brits call that 'sportive conversation'. If you don't believe, check out our football fans at the Euros."_
What apex?, we are competing and I challenging you Max, there's nobody owner of that curve so we will to fight for it.
@@gibmichdiekirsche420 more like verstappen supporters: "max tried to walk through a door where lewis was standing and they came together, how on earth is this possible i cant believe race cars sometimes crash, physics isnt fair, someone please help, call amnesty international, start a facebook page ive never seen this in all the 3 years ive been watching f1 since drive to survive came out"
These recreations are incredible
People say, Hamilton says, that Max was too aggressive - if you look at the corners before Max was right up on the kerbs giving them both space - Hamilton just didn't do this at 9, he took a flat line nowhere near the apex and made no attempt to move further in. Hamilton really was lucky, very lucky in all aspects of Sunday.
Thank you for an unbiased, Informative, and well made animation, this was very helpful :)
Not completely unbiased. It says max left only room for a car taking the ideal line, yet the reason they touched is because hamilton had understeer and couldnt make the corner..
@@dajax1996 first laps are a killer
This a bit biased
I was really hoping you were animating the racing lines without a contact - Would be very interesting to see where both drivers end up with their lines
That would be very interesting! I like this idea :)
LH wouldn't have made the corner, it was kamikaze. And therefore he is 200% to blame for this and needs point reduction. He should have been black flagged. 10 sec is a f*ckn joke.
@@Harolddespui cry more 😂😂😂😂
@@Harolddespui so how do you figure he made the corner after contact?
@@Harolddespui yeah this is what I'm thinking, he was simply not going to make the corner. Look where he ended up and that even considering his line got slightly corrected by the impact. He was going totally wide, even if max would have left him more space there's no way they could have made that corner side by side with Hamilton going that wide. And actually Lewis would have had enough space had he entered the corner slower but we all know if he had done that max would have been away by the end of it. He had two choices, either go into the corner kamikaze style and hope for the best or let max get away. However most people don't factor in that Lewis was coming in way too hot into the corner, they just see that he was side by side and conclude he had a right to the inside line. There's two problems with that though, first he was side by side only because he didn't slow down enough to make the corner, and second he didn't take the inside line, he understeered due to the speed excess and went completely wide. He would have taken max out regardless.
Thank God or someone, that Max’s car didn’t dig into the gravel, if it started to barrel roll at that speed, all bets are off!
very true very true i did not think about that one max is lucky!
These heavy F1 cars will go through a fence and kill spectators one day, they carry way more inertia than ice F1 cars.
@@alexjohnward “heavy”? They’re lighter than basically anything stuoid
@@dbabu51 incorrect, F1 cars that were getting around before batteries started going into them were about 30% lighter, they carried a lot less force in to a catch fence. These F1 cars are a combination of very high speed and a relatively heavy mass.
@@alexjohnward relatively high even thought it’s like basically less than all other cars. Relatively heavy right?
can hardly understand why people are complaining over every racing accident nowadays. let them race, fight for their place, crash, and move on. like f1 used to be in the past. that's the beauty of racing.
Hamilton clearly to blame. He did the same shit twice in 2020 to Albon
Ah, he must have read Toto's email with the diagrams!
These animations are the best. I'd almost argue better than the actual replays. Keep up the good work man!
Im not gonna say whos fault was more .But when they decide to put penalty ,5 sec for that damgae done in car ,health and championship ,is just encouraging drivers to risk such overtakes .
10s
Two things: health is paramount and nothing should be above it and glad max is ok, but having said that whilst he did suffer a big crash lewis in no way deliberately put him in danger.
When awarding a penalty you don’t just look at outcome, if a penalty was always based on outcome, everytime someone retires due to a collision, then the person at fault should also retire? That doesn’t make sense, you award a penalty based on the move, as you can see from the diagram both drivers could have done more. The move itself has been attempted many times before as well, it’s not smth we’ve never seen drivers do
@@dheerajsatish5235 Well I know what you meant .But if Max would died (fui)should they have continue the race or cancled it and not look for outcome ?
Outcome(as penalty ) btw can be in which corner you tried to overtake.If you try overtake in less dangerous(150kmh) or in much more dangerous corner (300kmh)the penelty should be different .
Im not saying Lewis fault was 100%
But You can clearly see he missed the apex and max Went wide leaving some space .
And 2nd thing is how viewers see an accident looking at overall results .Lewis fans wouldnt be very happy if the situation would be other way around .
And 3rd all the anger would be less if Lewis team would let Lewis know that Max ended in Hospital ,so he could be ...hmm less joyful about the win .
Ah and last thing you know that redbulls outcome is , that the budget for their formula shrunk big ?
Could Perez for 10sec penalty push out Lewis to damage his formula ?
Like you allready saw in last races were many the same kinds of overtakes at hi-speeds pushing someone out .Is the small penalty encouraging ? Is the F1 more intresting ?I thinkhere here we ask the real questions ;)
hamilton didnt try and back out though, he understeered straight into max...
Yeah, not sure where he got that from. None of the telemetry showed he backed out and you can see clearly on the replay he had understeer.
Didn't look like understeer to me , the car went the way the wheels were pointing and they were not pointing towards the apex.
The is the 3rd time Sir Lewis's left front tire hit the right rear tire of the competitor ahead of him. And each time it happened the Race Stewards penalized him.
More like the 6th time
@@ev17dan DQ the man "if you can't beat them destroy them"
@@SumR4ndom the racing line was tho, lewis misjudged it but its a racing incident, 60% lewis's fault
This was a racing incident, hope Hamilton win the championship
what i love most is how un-biased the explanation is
Except it's really not. He implies Lewis tried to "back out". That's not only entirely false and misleading, but just straight up untrue. The telemetry shows he decided to instead try braking later hoping Max would back out. He broke so late that he had massive understeer which led him right into Max's rear axle instead of him hitting the apex at the appropriate speed. Obviously his intention wasn't to purposely take Max out, but Lewis' move was akin to an error a driver like Mazepin would make. Very stupid driving, especially at Copse.
@@UnderageBeerHere or maybe - this is gonna sound crazy to you - you’re the one who’s being biased because max is your preferred driver of the two. You should try and be open to entertain differing opinions
@@christybyrne9844 Nope he's right. Lewis said it himself. He wasn't trying to back out and was waitng instead for Verstappen to back out. Even tho I have my pov on who is wrong, I'm not going to say it. This is just based on facts.
@@christybyrne9844 Stop being a clown. Neither is my preferred drive, and my take is based solely on the telemetry (literal math in this case). There's a reason the stewards used the wording they did when issuing their post-race report issuing 2 penalty points on Lewis' Super License.
@@UnderageBeerHere Stewards used the word "predominantly" - which means Lewis wasn't entirely at fault.
That could mean 51% vs 49% it could mean 70% v 30%, who knows.
At the end of the day it was basically more of a racing incident due to the fact that both drivers could have done a hell of a lot more to avoid the collision. Max wasn't faultless here, his mindset when battling essentially boils down to "I'm going into that space so you either get out of my way or we crash", irrespective of who is in the dominant position, Max drives like this basically all the time.
Sometimes the driver in the dominant position needs to back out, Lewis has done that a number of times with Max this season.
This type of incident will keep happening to Max until he changes that mindset. That's the sad reality of it - as far as Max is concerned.
What a great animation and insightful analysis. Thank you.
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@@yallowrosa explain why so
Max leaved space and Hamilton misses the apex and not making the corner, very simple!
0:28 shows it perfectly - Lewis comes in close to the right in to which Max steers left and GIVES Lewis well enough room to be able to go further inside. Lewis doesn't isolate that space and makes contact. It's pretty simple
@OriginalFake On purpose
I would not say on purpose, but Hamilton fully accepted the possibility of the contact, because with this speed he would never make the corner on heavy fuel load without running Verstappen out of Road.
guilty AF and on purpose.....what a fucking bad loser
@OriginalFake His steering wheel doesn't move while Max went left to give him the room then turned back. I saw the frame by frame. Hamilton continues forward over extending the racing line, right into Max's wheel. He's done this before.
Now THIS IS A Video great job man, showing what they both did and not blaming it on anyone, plus the animation is amazing. amazing work man.
If only it would’ve been 100% accurate, which it isn’t completely. But we’ll ignore that fully and move on to blame both :).
@@SliceOfLife93 lol agreed
Looks like it clearly is Verstappen's fault, he drove into Lewis
@@blazesimpson8830 hahahah. How funny that you have 0 knowledge and still try to make an argument😂. Get out and do your homework.
@@blazesimpson8830 well, I am a Hamilton fan, but I believe both have the "fault" there. Although as I already said, for me it's a race incident
The on screen comments do kind of suggest that you feel this was Verstappen's fault. ("he only left room for a car taking the ideal line" and "Hamilton tried to back out"). It would have been fair to call out the fact that Hamilton completely missed the apex because he carried way too much speed into the corner for the angle he took.
This is great work - the animation got the cars almost exactly in the positions they were when they touched. Remarkably accurate.
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Nope the touched much sooner than in this video
Lewis knew exactly what he was doing, he’s a veteran.
Each driver was trying to force the other to back down. They didn’t, clearly a racing incident as neither would yield when they had a chance
@@glennlewman1377 lulu simp detected 🤡
@@SumR4ndom 🤡🤡🤡
@@SumR4ndom I think was more a case of Max expected Lewis to be 'soft' in response to his aggression like he had been all season prior, completely forgetting the situation had changed, where now he was the championship leader, with alot to lose, with Lewis now the driver behind with nothing to lose and having to go for it.
As a Max fan, Im quite disappointed on the poor leadership and guidance he is getting from Marko and Horner. At this rate, he doesnt get them out his ears he going to lose this championship with the wrong mentality.
This was a racing incident, the only thing that changed from earlier in the season is Lewis didnt back off, play soft anymore, he stood his ground.
Max needs to realise this is a marathon, not a sprint and that in the thick of things, with both drivers as evidenced, going hard into the corner, trying to outbreak eachother, they not going to be hitting the perfect apex and to assume/drive as if your opponent is, is making a bit of a rookie mistake underpressure, for which I put the blame squarely on Horner and Marko.
Wish Max had the cooler heads supporting him.
@@matthewvanrensburg3824 That's the best explanation i've read so far👍
The 'normal' type barrier is called a conveyor belt
what do you call conveyor belt then? Hahahah
@@ejudeeus a ‘normal’ type barrier
@@Craig23McDonald exactly!
This was animated really well
One of these two drivers should slow down and leave the other car to take the corner. It's the car that was behind that should stop, Lewis Hamilton. His fault.
Nope, it wasn't only his fault. More like Verstappen could've avoided his own crash by not trying to go for the apex, and touching wheels with lewis, who oversteered. A race incident thats what it is, and stop crying about everything thats happening in this season. You wouldn't expect title rivals to back out in a fight, would you? Thats kind of ignorant, because as I remember Verstappen is, and always were one of the most aggresive drivers on the grid, pushing down other drivers. Ham is just not letting himself, and I think thats how it should be, if we want a good title battle between them.
You should do 1998 Belgium pile up
That will take him 6 weeks
his computer will take years to simulate that i bet xD
That would be awesome
His computer would turn into cyberpunk 2077 running max graphics.
Waiting on quantum computing to track all that debris correctly.
Lewis very often captures the inside line then runs wide, sweeping his pursuing drivers into the weeds!
I know I wish he raced clean like max …
Like with Maldonado a couple years ago, hope Karma bites back
Didn't Max do this 2 corners before?
@@jonboyjonboyjonboyjo not really, if that were the case they would have crashed there.
@@macca4610 Max crashed himself out 8 times with his rivals in the past few years and and Lewis none.
The other thing that I would appreciate seeing is who exactly had the racing line,seems they both weren't on it and both saw that they had the right to occupy the space in question
Max was parallell to it, leaving room for Hamilton, but Hamilton was way off. It’s entirely Hamilton’s fault
@@arvidbahrke9408 what is way off,there is no way Max was on the racing line at the time Lewis by his side
More importantly, many forget, is that
*The Racer ahead has the Right of Way...*
'Passing' on the verge of crashing, or Out-of-Control, or with NO Way To AVOID a Collision (and being ahead for a split second before the collision) does not 'Instantly' give one the *Right-of-Way* or any other 'rights'...
Passing is a difficult task to learn...
*Passing CLEANLY and WithOUT unnecessary BS is an ART!!!* (that Hamilton obviously hasn't mastered 100% of the time...)
@@NoFretBrettCSSMBFF you can pass where there is a gap,there is no textbook way to pass...you must listen to what Max says is his passing style,he basically says he lunges himself such that it surprises the other driver and they lose time.
Lewis passed Alonso in the inside this last race and has passed Max both in the inside and outside before.
I'm not sure if you know what you are talking about when it comes to Lewis overtaking,he is clean and the master of that art...the incidence with Max was a 50/50
@@tsheponcamane2018... I know what I am talking about...
Racing cars (in general) is a lot easier than racing motorcycles (which I have)...
Multiple Regional and National Championships means I 'know' how to pass (without bumping or colliding)... a little contact (in covered wheels racing like LeMans or NASCAR) is not ideal or safe, but occasionally happens with sloppy or aggressive or untalented drivers, with motorcycles it is more dangerous than most automobile
*"Rubbin' Is Racin'!"* incidents because there are 'exposed' Handlebars and Front (Steering) Wheel...
Open wheeled cars have additional *Launch* capabilities with Wheel-to-Wheel contact...
*'Clean'* passing is the manifestation of a *'Master'* of the Art of Racing...
Hamilton is incredibly talented...
as is Max...
(this is understood...)
Hamilton is definitely not a 'Master' with *EVERY* attempted overtake...
nor is Max...
A Master also would not 'need' to risk his life (additionally - more than expected from such an activity), or a competitor's life by bumping them out of the way, *on the very first lap...*
[Sacrifice Queen without having a well-developed strategy to check-mate opponent(s) is often a move that results in losing... *it could have been a very well thought out and potentially very expensive strategy to prevent Max from winning or gathering more points than Hamilton
In ANY Way Possible!
- even if Hamilton crashes and does not finish, the points gap remains in his (team's) favor...* ]
Risky and very unsportsmanlike, any way you look at it...
"Hamilton tries to back out but it's too late to avoid contact" + the music, for about a second, made me feel like Max had died in the accident lol
Next:
Barrichello, 1994 Imola
Belgium, 1998
Germany, Lauda
Murgello, 2020
Canada, 2014 (Massa - Perez)
Your 3D breakdowns are one of my favourite parts of Formula 1.
And you're not even Formula 1?!
Did the Halo help Max?
We’ll surely, probably the collision into the barrier, more importantly the loose tyre made contact with the halo. They’re fairly heavy, the weight of that straight to the lid and at that speed could be severe.
@@Soundry777 when I saw it live I thought the Tyre had hit the halo. In this animation that doesn't happen, but if it had, then the halo would have done its job again
Maybe a little red paint from the barrier on the halo here? ruclips.net/video/Rp0GG4y3is8/видео.html
Yes the halo saved max’s life most likely. Irl a tire hit the halo at a very high speed.
favourite parts of Formula 1? favourite parts of RUclips.
Right, but the ideal line is only for when you have a clear track, isn't it? There it was a position dispute, so the track is wide enough for the two cars.
Indeed, the track is no one property so is the line !
Pretty conclusively a racing incident then in my book. 6 of one, half dozen of the other. I've never seen such upset about a crash - Lewis had momentum, he wanted to get past; saw a gap, Max closed the door, they hit! One of those things you sign up for if you're an F1 driver - one of those things that happens *every other race*. Wasn't that long ago drivers used to bump each other off deliberately and that was in an era where people would literally die in F1. Senna, Prost, Schumacher - all these Gods of F1 that Lewis haters say are greater than him have been guilty of deliberate ramming to take a title. If you want racing, you have to accept shunts, bumps, spins and crashes and not get pissy about it or you get Monaco every week.
Well said mate, good to see we still have some proper F1 fans 👏🏻👍🏻
Yes sir. Couldn't have said it better. There's a lot of newer, younger generation F1 "fans" that have flooded into this sport as of recent, and can't understand the concept of hard racing.
Ah. You like the F1 Killing era? Want to back to that? Ever been hit over head with 51 times your own body weight?
If the wheels of Max' would have gripped in the marbles and his car had started spinning Hamilton would now have been known as Max' killer.
Good for you!!
Schumacher did his ugly stuff in slow corners.
Everybody walked away. Lewis does it at 250 - 300 kmph.
It s a sort of an understanding between rsce driver they willall enjoy to live on sunday evenings, so they drive with some respect for each others position. Lewis had Max 100% in sight from behind. Max could NOT see Lewis crashing him off the road.
Lewis isn t at all that great a driver when really pressured he shows again and again.
@@MrRFasters Racing incident. Even Lewis's biggest rival, Nico Rosberg says the same thing, along with many other drivers. I'll listen to their professional input than some random idiot online.
@@ARDEN440i exactly 👏🏻👌🏻👍🏻
i objected to the 'halo' above the driver's head when it was first intro'd (as did others)...but that system has most recently saved grosjean, verstappen and quite a few other drivers. kudos to the engis who came up with it. my only gripe is the center front post.... could that not be split into two so as to open up a central view down the nose of the car instead of obstructing it?
Drivers rarely need to look straight ahead. They would much prefer to be obstructed on a straight than having the apex of corners blocked by two side pillars. Although it’s important to see a car in front, by the time a car is close enough ahead of u to need to react, battle or follow it’s easily visible as it’s close enough for the central pillar to not block.
It doesnt obstruct much since youre looking through the corner and not dead ahead all that much. At least in simulators its not an issue
As the other two already said, drivers don't look straight forward most of the time, also since it's so close to the eyes it basically disappears almost completely (try taking a pen or something else, look at it and then move it to between your eyes)
I've been in a virtual F1 car (I have a simracing and VR setup) and when I drive I don't see the halo column. Since humans have stereopsis we can see behind the center piece. When you hold a finger relativly close to the center of your eyes you can still see behind.
Why does it bother you? If you are not driving it?
Would be cool if you could show steering movements alongside
This
Just look at the onboards of both drivers
And the dark thoughts of Mr Deliberate
But how do we know how much understeer they were having/compensating/expecting? Steering angle could look like aimed towards apex, yet in reality with the approach speed get no where near it. Both know very well how their car is going to behave there.
Dunno about Max but Lewis had full right lock on.
Once again the halo saves YET ANOTHER LIFE
It didn’t even prevent anything in the crash, the car went under the barrier and bounce back
@@randomguyontheinternet6885 What you don't understand is that without that device, part of that barrier would have landed on Max's head, causing severe head and neck injuries. It very well did prevent something.
2 safety things well 3 really saved max's life the halo, the hans and that padded higher bit to the cockpit that they remove to get out.
20 years ago and Max would have been dead
No he wouldn't be injury maybe dead no
Halo stopped his own tire from hitting the cockpit area and then again stopped the tires on the wall from hitting max head high at 51 gs when his car slid under the first few rows of those tires. Halo was not well received but it’s doing a great job.
@@nige1358 51g side crash without HANS definitely would break his neck
Twenty years ago Max was 4 years old. He wouldn't have even been driving.
@@Paintppa1 this was theoretical
"that thing about this corner is mine" in the race is different at the time of the position dispute.
Yep. He could be biased and manipulated the video
Lewis with all his experience should have known he was going to understeer because he was on the dirt with too much speed. You can see the dust coming from underneath his car just before turning in. It's a blind high speed corner and he took way too much risk. You can't make that corner at such high speed turning in such close to the inside of that corner. It was hard racing but he misjudged the situation. Even the best make mistakes.
Verstappen having driven for 7 years with all the experience should have known to leave more space and not risk turning in expecting the other driver to back off. Also if you knew the FIA guidance if the car is on the inside line and substantially alongside, as you have arrived at the corner, you dont have to be ahead and you can make the corner then you do not have to cede your position.
@@ddxjon We can disagree about Lewis being substantially along side. But Lewis understeered so clearly couldn't make the corner due to missing the apex and lacking grip driving on the dirty side of the track. Off course, had it not been such a high speed blind corner it was worth taking the risk. Taking such risk in one of the fastest corners is dangerous!
If Max had given him more space instead of turning in knowing he was level with him? People are ignoring the fact Max thought Hamilton would back out?, he was right, Hamilton lifted off causing understeer, when Max saw Hamiltons car pull back knowing he lifted off he should have expected Hamilton to have understeer and would run wide its what these cars do. To read many of the comments on other video's you would be made to believe Max is a saint and Hamilton tried to murder Max. No driver would cause this type of incident on purpose, if Hamilton had done it on purpose it could've caused a DNF for both resulting in a disadvantage for Hamilton.
Incidentally FIA rules state if a car is half way past on the inside it is his corner, Hamilton was almost level and max continued to turn in. As for the penalty, this is for the crime not what becomes of the crime and it has been that way for many many years.
I am not a fan of any driver I watch for the talent and both these drivers excel.
@@nightster6378 @Nightster Those people saying Lewis did it on purpose and he was trying to murder him should shut up! But Lewis behaviour after the race and lack of reflection may possibly be trigger for these outrageous comments.
You mentioned it yourself. Lewis was almost level..He could have known he was going to understeer wich he did and missed. He took the risk colliding witch max at very high speed. Max did give some space and was hit on his rear tyre by Lewis's front. Missing the apex, understeer, on Dirty side of track, not level, blind corner, adrenalin, rare opportunity, balls of steel, it was a mistake but a race incident. If only Lewis could see this..
amazing analysis man ..thank you
How do you explain that both drivers took way to much speed into Copse corner? Max was on the outside line, so he could/should take more speed Lewis didn't. Experienced drivers like Lewis knows this very well.
Yhh i thought the same and for lewis to be that far off the apex and have enough space to still hit max just shows there was only one person with to much speed 🤷🏼♂️
F1 fans are rediculous...they race to win. You gamble while racing. You win some You lose some. Lewis backed of the prior corner....what do you expect lewis to do....yield EVERY corner to max?? Max turned TWICE towards lewis. Max could have stayed wide and carried on racing. He saw lewis next to him. It was nothing more than a racing incident.
@@tonylewis1771 do you mean he turned right in to a right hand turn ? Did u not see the space lewis had on the inside but still found himself 100 miles off the apex ? Or are to busy sniffing Hamiltons arse
@@tonylewis1771 yes, if lewis has not passed nor can normally pass he should back off. That corner, that speed, that wide.... The penalty is a farce. Check the Bot/Vet crash in France 2018 + Lewis' comment on Vettels 5sec punishment....