I'm never sure about relicing a modern poly finish since I'm never sure it looks anything other than a reliced modern poly finish. But just my thoughts.
Nice job on the checking; I'm all for aging as long as it is done accurately/artistically. Bigger issue, though - what happened to the curry?! Boo, hiss. Bait and switch.
I think a deep dive into pickup winding and electronics in general would be cool. Demonstration of the difference in construction and tone of the options. Standard single, fat single, stacked humbucker, split, parallel, asymmetrical HB... How much does the pot and capacitor values change tone?
It would be cool, but a massive investment to do properly. PRS are only just figuring it out, so maybe a bit of a tangent for Crimson which is mainly about the wood working. But someone should definitely do a myth busters on guitar electronics.
A series that starts with the fundamentals of pickup creation and then several deep dives towards target sound design would be a nice series. Sort of Seymour Buncan DIY.
THANK YOU! I just found out that I am the winner of this beautiful Beastie! Thank you SO much for your beautiful work on this guitar. I am a huge SG fan and I can't wait to get it in my hands! 🤘😎🤘
Hey dude! Congrats, I am so glad you're excited, I puy a lot of time into this one and couldn't be happier with the results.. it is perfect that she is going to someone who really really wanted her!
Depending on the color, I usually start poly-relicing by sanding with 1500 grit paper or cutting compound just to take off a bit of the gloss and give it some of that nitro feel/texture.
I have a strange fixated brain, if I found out my fav guitar was not what I thought it was I would sell it, barking mad I know! Eric Clapton once said about Blackie, " a worn guitar is like a busy resteraunt, the food must be good" you can interpret that however you like! Each to their own
Like the look, all together It turned out great. If it was mine I would just play the hell out of it constantly, it's an epiphone so really not a show queen already scratched just means perfect for gigging, so workhorse guitar. Awesome job built for a player not a collector. Good work josh and Ben loving the videos.
IMO to improve it you hit it with some light steelwool after cutting the cracks then polish it back up again by hand so it's not 100% and the cracks are a bit more subtle and varied in depths so it's not as uniform.
Damn you really perfected the art of finish checking! I loved the end result... and it being poly that looks like a finished checked nitro finish is weirdly satisfying
I love the finish checking, but if i may make a suggestion for the poly finish...maybe thin that poly down with some steel wool, not enough to go thru the finish, but just to bring that poly down, buff it all out, and then go for the faux checking.
I had that guitar my mine was an early edition of it from about 2006 with vintage tuners and made from mahogany, I sold it in August. New guitar day got one of the Harley Benton Orange blast finish telecasters with filtertron pickups, not too much to do on it got 2 high frets and they need a polish. Out of the box the intonation was almost spot on and the truss rod need a bit more tension on it. Swopping out the screws on the puck gaurd and control covers for some black ones. Fret board is ok but I'm gonna give it a bit of love. The nut slots are good apart from the high E and B.
Vintage collector here, Finish checking should never extend over the binding. I have a few early Customs and the checking always stops at the Binding or inlays.
Violin makers have been antiquing new instruments for 200 years or so. I own several. I have no idea if I like it or not I'm completely of two minds on it. The instruments I have that I commissioned from the makers directly I told them to do it the way they felt it. I let them express their craftsmanship the way they felt most authentic. Who knows!
I have never tried relic-ing poly, but I've crazed the hell out of plenty of nitro. Buy a can of air duster and flip it upside down. Spray the cold liquid on the lacquer. Instant crackle.
Improving/modding cheaper guitars like this is a nice change of pace for the teardown & prize draw video series. P.s. you really should make it clearer on the giveaway site that this guitar has new wiring and new custom wound pickups. The brief description on the site doesn't mention those. You have to scroll way down the page to see the amount of work done on it. And even that is only 1 sentence.
I have to confess I've never understood the mindset that would want to damage a perfectly fine finish. On anything. Fake aging is just that (to me.) Fake. I just don't treasure it. If something is truly old, and looks it, that's one thing; but even there, I prefer a finish that's as undamaged as possible. If I had my choice between a 200 year old instrument that looked brand new, and one that looked like it had been dragged through the trenches, I'd take the one that looked brand new. But then, that's me. This is your guitar - you do you. :)
I wonder how it would look if you were in a clean environment and used that epoxy colouring powder to fill the cracks. You could have like bright green and bright red. A different take i guess.
I think the cream colour lends itself to being cracked by Ben 👍Not keen on the headstock face cracks but other than that A excellent job done by both of you 👌👍
I don’t really care what people do to their guitars, but you cannot really believe that finish looks natural. And I still have no idea what the guitar sounds like, or what it originally sounded like.
I love relic'd guitars. Have done a few myself. However, kinda on the fence about 'checking' on poly. Then again, I've done fake rust on chrome so I guess that's the same thing basically
I am not into aging, though I appreciate those who are. Turning budget to custom theme teardowns could also involve "taking a randy Rhodes and turning it into a Bun(crimson) style guitar" would be fun.
I think I want to know everything I can about pickups but I would just as soon let the experts wind the ones I use in my guitars. There are so many pickup makers these days and I feel like my calling is building guitars, not pickups. I agree with you Ben,I want to but I don't! Peace & Love
I don't really get the attraction to relicing a modern poly finish. The idea of the modern finishes is to look good for decades so having it relic just feels off. That said I don't get the allure of nitro finishes either. The idea of a finish cracking and yellowing over a short few years seems like a defect and not a feature to me.
I am not into relicing guitars. I think every dent and ding is a story of the guitar and owner. I have a 51 year old guitar that has been with me from new. Lots of stories but I know where every dent ding and chip came from and what I was doing with it. It is a lawsuit guitar which I actually bought because it was better made and sounded better than the Les Paul deluxe and the new natural strat that I tried at the same point. The Les Paul was three times the price and yes they have gone up in price but it was really poorly made. The strat was only 50% more but what a piece of junk it was. Instead of the supposedly high end guitar I got this and a Yamaha amp which was a monster loud. At 0-1 it drowned out Fender Deluxe reverbs. 4-7 it was on par with a Marshall 50 w and at full pelt it was louder than a Marshall 100w stack. Great package the two together. Still have both. Last time I had the amp serviced it went missing in action from the repair shop to the guys local band who I caught using it 😂😂. He claimed he was just road testing it before returning it 😂😂 happy days.
I’ve been wanting to do this with my black 2020 Gibson SG standard. Is it essentially the same process? I don’t care if it’s perfect. It just needs some aged character badly.
Adding my voice to the fake ageing dismay. I think it is a psychological thing for Ben, he spends so much time making things perfect, sometimes he just has to mess something up big time.
Isn't it easier for the unexperienced to use a crackle system, with two paints/lacquers? You make this look easy (and natural!), but is it? By the way; funny timing at 14:28 ; Josh: " Let's see how she sounds " Crimson: we know his playing skills, let's remind our viewers of the 10% off on isotunes. 😂
You guys _really_ have to change amps/location/amp mic setup for demos. It might sound good in the room, but to my ear, every guitar you’ve played on that amp sounds awful. Even my wife, who isn’t into electric guitars that much, commented on that during the acrylic guitar demo. I think it’s going to be hard to convince someone who doesn’t like the artificial aging concept to change their minds, but as a commenter below noted, violin makers have been doing it for centuries, so why not? You’re definitely getting better at it!
I cant get my head around relic-ing a guitar, to me it feels and looks fake, Gibson are now doing super thin nitro finishes, this is so they wear away quickly, again this feels wrong to me, I have had my dads 1968 LP Goldtop passed on to me, its in relatively good condition but I would have it refinshed if it wouldn't reduce its worth so much, the guitar is 100% stock but I dont get the thing that people think vintage guitars sound better, I have a 1986 LP Custom but to me the 68 doesent sound any better, they both sound good but the vintage thing is like The Emporer Wears No Clothes to me.
sounds like crap but thats probably that garbage amp now if i was to win that i would have haveto strip it down sand it to raw and refinish it because ben wrecked the finish . why would you screw up a finish
i guess you want to learn how to wind your own PUs to do them yourself and make them unique and by You. but you dont want to learn how to wind your own PUs because it dosnt involve playing with Fire :D
To me it is neither desecration nor a sensible finish option - it's like trying to give the guitar a fake history, so it's a kind of fraud. However it's not my guitar, so have at it if you think it's OK.
Please check your spam, we really should be 100% on top of emails right now failing technical issues. Just in case can you forward the question to me at Stream @ crimson guitarsdotcom and I will personally chase this up
My own opinion. I would shoot anyone in the face with a cannon if that was done to my guitar. If it happens naturally I'm totally OK with it. But to go and buy one that has been artificially inseminated so to speak NO. That may sound strange but that's how I feel. But with saying that I do enjoy watching the process go figure.
it is definitaly desecration. everyone who knows what an Epiphone is, will now that that guitar is soaked in Polyurethane and wont have checkings like that in tousands of years. So, let the guitar age itself.
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I'm never sure about relicing a modern poly finish since I'm never sure it looks anything other than a reliced modern poly finish. But just my thoughts.
"Pickup winding was fun wasn't it?" proper Blue Peter moment!!
Nice job on the checking; I'm all for aging as long as it is done accurately/artistically. Bigger issue, though - what happened to the curry?! Boo, hiss. Bait and switch.
I think a deep dive into pickup winding and electronics in general would be cool. Demonstration of the difference in construction and tone of the options. Standard single, fat single, stacked humbucker, split, parallel, asymmetrical HB... How much does the pot and capacitor values change tone?
It would be cool, but a massive investment to do properly. PRS are only just figuring it out, so maybe a bit of a tangent for Crimson which is mainly about the wood working. But someone should definitely do a myth busters on guitar electronics.
No shielding paint?! Not a big fan of fake aged finish, but i must admit this one looks pretty cool. Well done!
Was wondering what happened to that, made a song and dance about it initially...
Pickup series has to be done. Gotta start with the great SRV too
A series that starts with the fundamentals of pickup creation and then several deep dives towards target sound design would be a nice series.
Sort of Seymour Buncan DIY.
+1 for Seymour Buncan
THANK YOU! I just found out that I am the winner of this beautiful Beastie! Thank you SO much for your beautiful work on this guitar. I am a huge SG fan and I can't wait to get it in my hands! 🤘😎🤘
Hey dude! Congrats, I am so glad you're excited, I puy a lot of time into this one and couldn't be happier with the results.. it is perfect that she is going to someone who really really wanted her!
Depending on the color, I usually start poly-relicing by sanding with 1500 grit paper or cutting compound just to take off a bit of the gloss and give it some of that nitro feel/texture.
The close-ups of Ben with that scalpel and the shirt he decided to wear give off a definite Freddy Krueger vibe.
I love watching the videos when they release but having to wait a day can have it’s perks, part 2 instantly so no cliff hanger! 😂
I have a strange fixated brain, if I found out my fav guitar was not what I thought it was I would sell it, barking mad I know! Eric Clapton once said about Blackie, " a worn guitar is like a busy resteraunt, the food must be good" you can interpret that however you like! Each to their own
Like the look, all together It turned out great. If it was mine I would just play the hell out of it constantly, it's an epiphone so really not a show queen already scratched just means perfect for gigging, so workhorse guitar. Awesome job built for a player not a collector. Good work josh and Ben loving the videos.
I think it's a great finish option.
That particular colour works well with it.
And I like relics anyway, so yes, I give it thumbs up.
IMO to improve it you hit it with some light steelwool after cutting the cracks then polish it back up again by hand so it's not 100% and the cracks are a bit more subtle and varied in depths so it's not as uniform.
Good idea!
Damn you really perfected the art of finish checking! I loved the end result... and it being poly that looks like a finished checked nitro finish is weirdly satisfying
I have a 95 Gibson les Paul studio that did that all on its own. Only took 27 years..... Nice work!
Wow that was mind numbing to watch can’t imagine how it was to do. Looks amazing.
I love the finish checking, but if i may make a suggestion for the poly finish...maybe thin that poly down with some steel wool, not enough to go thru the finish, but just to bring that poly down, buff it all out, and then go for the faux checking.
I had that guitar my mine was an early edition of it from about 2006 with vintage tuners and made from mahogany, I sold it in August. New guitar day got one of the Harley Benton Orange blast finish telecasters with filtertron pickups, not too much to do on it got 2 high frets and they need a polish. Out of the box the intonation was almost spot on and the truss rod need a bit more tension on it. Swopping out the screws on the puck gaurd and control covers for some black ones. Fret board is ok but I'm gonna give it a bit of love. The nut slots are good apart from the high E and B.
5:13 - it’s certainly a finish option. Not one I’d choose or like personally, but it’s an option.
Vintage collector here, Finish checking should never extend over the binding. I have a few early Customs and the checking always stops at the Binding or inlays.
Thanks for the tip. That's a mistake I won't make again.. if I ever do this again that is 😉
Violin makers have been antiquing new instruments for 200 years or so. I own several. I have no idea if I like it or not I'm completely of two minds on it. The instruments I have that I commissioned from the makers directly I told them to do it the way they felt it. I let them express their craftsmanship the way they felt most authentic. Who knows!
I have never tried relic-ing poly, but I've crazed the hell out of plenty of nitro. Buy a can of air duster and flip it upside down. Spray the cold liquid on the lacquer. Instant crackle.
Improving/modding cheaper guitars like this is a nice change of pace for the teardown & prize draw video series.
P.s. you really should make it clearer on the giveaway site that this guitar has new wiring and new custom wound pickups. The brief description on the site doesn't mention those. You have to scroll way down the page to see the amount of work done on it. And even that is only 1 sentence.
Why do the cracks always go top to bottom and not sideways ?
I have to confess I've never understood the mindset that would want to damage a perfectly fine finish. On anything. Fake aging is just that (to me.) Fake. I just don't treasure it. If something is truly old, and looks it, that's one thing; but even there, I prefer a finish that's as undamaged as possible. If I had my choice between a 200 year old instrument that looked brand new, and one that looked like it had been dragged through the trenches, I'd take the one that looked brand new. But then, that's me.
This is your guitar - you do you. :)
So. If a newly built guitar is born relicked and thus considered "mint" condition, does it then become "more mint" as it ages and wears naturally?
Cool tutorial, and must have taken the patience of Job to do. But if I win it all that crap is coming off and it’s having a respray. 😂
is possible paint few layer nitro lacquer, then use cold and hot method..?
Yes please, let's have some pickup winding/making videoes.
I wonder how it would look if you were in a clean environment and used that epoxy colouring powder to fill the cracks. You could have like bright green and bright red.
A different take i guess.
I think the cream colour lends itself to being cracked by Ben 👍Not keen on the headstock face cracks but other than that A excellent job done by both of you 👌👍
What happened to the curried pickguard experiment? Shouldn't the tuners, Bridge and stop bare be aged too??
Desecration. Such a shame as they’re not usually in this good a condition
I think it's good, ordinarily not a fan of relics, but it looks & sounds great.
Yes!! Pickup building and even a great explanation of why they sound soooo gooooood! I was thinking Jeff Beck style set and a Derrick Trucks set.
I don’t really care what people do to their guitars, but you cannot really believe that finish looks natural.
And I still have no idea what the guitar sounds like, or what it originally sounded like.
Always a finish option. You have to be open to all markets. I love light relic, heavy relic & extremely heavy relic.
I'm definitely doing that scalpel thing right now wish me luck haha great vid
Good luck! Don't push to hard, be gentle and it will that you well
What's the difference between poly and nitro ?
I love relic'd guitars. Have done a few myself. However, kinda on the fence about 'checking' on poly. Then again, I've done fake rust on chrome so I guess that's the same thing basically
What are your thoughts on using a deep freeze to do finish checking?
I'm on the fence about reliced finishes. It's your guitar, do what you want but I think it looks good enough
I’m WAAAAAAY on the no fence!
The scratches look bloody awful, only my view, reproducing ageing never looks correct but a good cleaning always gives a good result.😊
I like reliced nitro but not poly.🤷♀
Pickup construction please show and do. Please. Please. Please. Please. The video was so good.
Finish option. Not my style. But it’s an option I’m also not much for white guitars anyways but the checking on this one gives it character
I am not into aging, though I appreciate those who are. Turning budget to custom theme teardowns could also involve "taking a randy Rhodes and turning it into a Bun(crimson) style guitar" would be fun.
What happened to the curry stain?,
My thoughts too
Curry was luthier bait! Boooo!
I think I want to know everything I can about pickups but I would just as soon let the experts wind the ones I use in my guitars. There are so many pickup makers these days and I feel like my calling is building guitars, not pickups. I agree with you Ben,I want to but I don't! Peace & Love
Was that it?????????????? I wanna hear those pick ups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm drooling..I'm poor and can't afford a real sg. Or even an epiphone...I'd love that
Finnish option? Finish option definitely!
Finish option. Some people like hot rods, some like rat rods. I happen to like rat rods.
I believe that relicing guitars is scheme in order to make naturally reliced guitars more valuable...(all kidding aside this sg is looking sweet)
Why no Maestro add on.
Relic guitars are not my thing! But I have an Epi LP, and a previous owner has scratched the front up just like this. So how do I get rid of it?
Would love a pick-up series!!!
I don't really get the attraction to relicing a modern poly finish. The idea of the modern finishes is to look good for decades so having it relic just feels off. That said I don't get the allure of nitro finishes either. The idea of a finish cracking and yellowing over a short few years seems like a defect and not a feature to me.
What about the curry??
Right. I was told there would be curry...
It is a finish option definitely. A finish option that I personally detest.
It's definitely a desecration (although it didn't look too bad in the end)
I am not into relicing guitars. I think every dent and ding is a story of the guitar and owner. I have a 51 year old guitar that has been with me from new. Lots of stories but I know where every dent ding and chip came from and what I was doing with it. It is a lawsuit guitar which I actually bought because it was better made and sounded better than the Les Paul deluxe and the new natural strat that I tried at the same point. The Les Paul was three times the price and yes they have gone up in price but it was really poorly made. The strat was only 50% more but what a piece of junk it was. Instead of the supposedly high end guitar I got this and a Yamaha amp which was a monster loud. At 0-1 it drowned out Fender Deluxe reverbs. 4-7 it was on par with a Marshall 50 w and at full pelt it was louder than a Marshall 100w stack. Great package the two together. Still have both. Last time I had the amp serviced it went missing in action from the repair shop to the guys local band who I caught using it 😂😂. He claimed he was just road testing it before returning it 😂😂 happy days.
I’ve been wanting to do this with my black 2020 Gibson SG standard. Is it essentially the same process? I don’t care if it’s perfect. It just needs some aged character badly.
Exactly the same process. Sharp scalpel and don't press very hard, it is surprisingly gentle work
Idea for a less effort aging : put cat grass onto the guitar and let life coming :D
Pickup winding without having to buy all the specialist gear please.
Just needs a few chips n dinks and donks to really look the part !
I really can't understand why anyone would want such a dreadful fake! 🤐
The les paul custom signs should have been changed to Crimson Custom.
YESSSS!!!!! pickups please
Adding my voice to the fake ageing dismay. I think it is a psychological thing for Ben, he spends so much time making things perfect, sometimes he just has to mess something up big time.
I think the first cut was the deepest.... (I'm sorry)
What's wrong with having a new guitar that looks new? If you are like me there will be plenty of scratches in the finish in not to long.
Isn't it easier for the unexperienced to use a crackle system, with two paints/lacquers? You make this look easy (and natural!), but is it?
By the way; funny timing at 14:28 ;
Josh: " Let's see how she sounds "
Crimson: we know his playing skills, let's remind our viewers of the 10% off on isotunes. 😂
Love it, cool👍
Your lines look more realistic that Murphy's.
Personally, I don't get it, but to each his (or her) own.
You guys _really_ have to change amps/location/amp mic setup for demos. It might sound good in the room, but to my ear, every guitar you’ve played on that amp sounds awful. Even my wife, who isn’t into electric guitars that much, commented on that during the acrylic guitar demo.
I think it’s going to be hard to convince someone who doesn’t like the artificial aging concept to change their minds, but as a commenter below noted, violin makers have been doing it for centuries, so why not? You’re definitely getting better at it!
Why?
Good job, love it...
Yeh...nice try!!
Goes to show how much skill there is in relicing a guitar. Sadly no such skills on display here 😊
I cant get my head around relic-ing a guitar, to me it feels and looks fake, Gibson are now doing super thin nitro finishes, this is so they wear away quickly, again this feels wrong to me, I have had my dads 1968 LP Goldtop passed on to me, its in relatively good condition but I would have it refinshed if it wouldn't reduce its worth so much, the guitar is 100% stock but I dont get the thing that people think vintage guitars sound better, I have a 1986 LP Custom but to me the 68 doesent sound any better, they both sound good but the vintage thing is like The Emporer Wears No Clothes to me.
I loathe it, its like wearing someone’s old leather jacket and making out its yours. Fake!
although you did a good job, I don't like the fake aged finish. People pay a lot of money to have a finish replaced when it looks like that.
sounds like crap but thats probably that garbage amp now if i was to win that i would have haveto strip it down sand it to raw and refinish it because ben wrecked the finish . why would you screw up a finish
i guess you want to learn how to wind your own PUs to do them yourself and make them unique and by You. but you dont want to learn how to wind your own PUs because it dosnt involve playing with Fire :D
To me it is neither desecration nor a sensible finish option - it's like trying to give the guitar a fake history, so it's a kind of fraud. However it's not my guitar, so have at it if you think it's OK.
paint got jacked, should of just left it
Relicing isnt for me, I don't think fake wear looks good in most cases.
On the Epiphone it’s great, on the Gibson not so much.
But why go to all that trouble when al you have to do is play the thing for forty to sixty years?
Watching your videos is fun, but you failing to answer emails isn’t.
Please check your spam, we really should be 100% on top of emails right now failing technical issues. Just in case can you forward the question to me at Stream @ crimson guitarsdotcom and I will personally chase this up
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars nope. I think you should check your inbox.
My own opinion. I would shoot anyone in the face with a cannon if that was done to my guitar. If it happens naturally I'm totally OK with it. But to go and buy one that has been artificially inseminated so to speak NO. That may sound strange but that's how I feel. But with saying that I do enjoy watching the process go figure.
Please stop hurting guitars! 😥
All that work and the same junk bridge?? Why?
First, looking forward to this!
This is just silly
desecration.
it is definitaly desecration. everyone who knows what an Epiphone is, will now that that guitar is soaked in Polyurethane and wont have checkings like that in tousands of years. So, let the guitar age itself.
Sooooo 1% of the population will know its a fake. Wonder what percentage will actually be upset by it. 😂😂😂 most people can’t wait “a thousand years”
@@steveeckert8396 it hurts my eyes and heart because I know what an epiphone is.