Steve Gregg Debates Prophecy with Dennis McCourt on Kingdom Talk 1.23.2024
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- thenarrowpath.com | Premillenialist Dennis McCourt had
Amillenialist Steve Gregg on his Kingdom Talk radio program on 1550 KXEX on 1/23/24. Video was streamed lived to Facebook. They had a friendly 2 hour discussion on eschatology. McCourt is not a dispensationalist. I believe he said he is a historic premillenialist.
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I Haven’t found a better resource outside the Bible on the things of God than Steve Gregg. Thanks for these videos to whoever is putting them out lol 🙏 🙏🙏
yeah he's the best Bible teacher I've ever come across
In my opinion Gregg and David pawson are the greatest for just simply teaching text in context & making them easily understandable. The normal christian birth by pawson is a Christian classical masterpiece of exposition w/ clear doctrinal application. I would include Derek prince David Wilkerson Leonard ravenhill and Martyn Lloyd Jones in that conversation as well
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@@JDWilliamsPD I’ve listened to him some too pretty good
Same!
Had to laugh when Steve said, I understand you, because I used to be you.
Steve came out on top of this debate. His wisdom and knowledge of scripture usually puts him far in front of those willing to debate him.
Yeah, its pretty funny. When I try to talk to people about it, they can't seem to understand that I know all of their beliefs as I used to hold them. Oh, I understand them, but I know where those beliefs are wrong too lol.
So appreciative of this broadcast. Two Christians discussing Scripture and their different perspective with respect. What a breath of fresh air!!!
Let me summarize the debate for you.
Subject is brought up, host spends 5 minutes setting it up and what he believes about it, Steve responds quoting or mentioning passages that support his position, the host states that he disagrees, a tangential point is brought up by the host, Steve responds, the host interrupts with "we can talk about that but let's get back to" ... brings the discussion back to 15 min before.
Steve has the patience of a saint.
You nailed it brother!
This was a marvelous discussion; very healthy for the Church.
Agreed. ~ Jason
I find from reading the Bible that Steve Greggs view is correct when I become a Christian in 2005 I asked GOD to show me the truth about the rapture that so many pastors taught & the Holy Spirit led me in a whole different direction God led me to a man called Hank Hanagraffe and then I understood so much more about the end times! Praise God seek & ye shall find so pray for the truth ✝️🙏
Listen to Steve Gregg i believe it's called the narrow path he has really good Bible lectures and you will learn a lot he has taught me really plan Bible teachings ✝️🙏🤗
Audience relevance, historical context, and time indicators are the 3 important things everyone must keep in their mind when studying eschatology.
I would prefer not so much interruption.
Thank you for the discussion, though.❤
Totally agree
The constant interruptions made this unlistenable for me. Just two buddies discussing their favourite subject at full speed.
I agree. The need to constantly interrupt means nothing more than hearing to defend your belief. The “I’m right and you’re wrong, so I must Lord it over you”.
I love that Steve maintained hearing to give his understanding instead of his opinion.
I used to be futurist, until the eyes of my understanding was opened.
Over all it, this segment confirmed what has been revealed to me.
He says he is not a dispensationalist, but he sounds very much like a dispensationalist.
There is a lot of dispensationalist residue mixed with preterism, futurism and other jesuit inventions, all leading to not letting the Bible interpret the Bible. Too much babylonian wine mixed in.
The hardest part trying to speak to futurists is that their mind races and jumps to all these non essential passages based on their preconceived ideas of eschatology. You can actually weed a lot of that out by focusing on one or two passages that clearly point to why preterism has to be true. Once you get to that point, then you have to go and examine all those passages you thought were futurist passages and see why you were wrong.
Dennis is so condescending and rude. Thankyou, Steve; you shine❤️
I didn't think Dennis was rude or condescending. ~ Jason
He cut you off and then says very good. I actually could not listen to the discussion as I found him too exasperating.
Charitable conversation between two brothers in Christ on a tough subject…well done lads!
Just 13 minutes in and the host is unbearable. Even when he's not fully interrupting, he's saying "yeah...yeah"... which makes it hard to follow Gregg.
Wow, the host is a master at evading. "We can talk about that..." as he switches subjects to something completely different so he does not have to talk about that. He did that multiple times, because he knows Mr. Gregg is 100% correct. Was Jesus not correct when He said "ALL" things were fulfilled in Luke 21:22? If you disagree, then you are either calling Jesus a liar or the N.T. writer was wrong and cannot be trusted. Both paths lead you to a bad place.
Welcome to trying to have an exegetical dialogue with a Futurist... It's so incredibly frustrating.
Your argument is not only with Dennis but also Steve. This is an excerpt from Steve Gregg regarding Luke 21:22 in his book “Why Not Full Preterism”…. “Ezekiel, six hundred years earlier had made a similar statement: “But say to them, ‘The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision” (Ezek.12:23). This is predicting the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. The reference to “every vision” obviously does not speak of all the visions in the whole Bible (e.g., not those of Zechariah, nor the Book of Revelation-which had not yet been revealed). It is clear that Ezekiel is referring only to his own visions, and perhaps those of previous prophets who had also spoken of this specific disaster. “ end quote. Thus, one can rightly understand “all things written maybe fulfilled” in a futurist paradigm.
As Steve points out in the debate one could rightly interpret the tribulation as starting in AD 70 and going all the way up into the second coming. This is exactly what many Futurists agree with. So there’s two very viable exegetical interpretations of Luke 21:22 that in no way support a preterist viewpoint.
A) As stated above, Jesus was not saying that every single passage of the Old Testament would be fulfilled in those days of vengeance (AD 70), but that for all things to be fulfilled those prophecies regarding AD 70 must be fulfilled. In other words, Jesus was making a general statement regarding the fact that AD 70 was most assuredly going to come about, so that all prophecies could ultimately be fulfilled in the future.
B) As Steve stated in the discussion, one could rightly view the tribulation, as having started in AD 70 and continued on up to the second coming. That being the case, in Luke. 21:22 Jesus reference to the days of vengeance could be understood as the entire tribulation. One must remember that Jesus omniscience was veiled and he did not know the day or the hour of his second coming. So then, “all things being written” will be fulfilled at the second coming of Jesus at the end of the tribulation.
Glad to hear Steve say Rev 21 is the final form of the Church. The only other person I've heard (read) saying that, other than myself, is Matthew Henry. IMO, that passage is repleat with glorification (of the Bride) symbols.
Steve Gregg is great, Dennis is truly arrogant and really gives Steve little time and room to respond, when he does, he just falls over himself. Dennis is one of the major reason, people do not “go” to church or trust believers.
His lack of humility and arrogant style would not lead anyone, truly searching, down a path of belief; he’s such a turn off.
Well done again Steve, I concur with your approach and understand of “all” referring to 70 AD. Hopefully this brothers eyes will be open to truth and what he’s lacking to be a credible leader, of anything.
I pray for Dennis that God shows him the truth and takes the scales off his eyes 👀 why won't he just see the truth SMH✝️🙏
Dispensationalists/Historic Premill folks please take note.
The kind of argumentation put forth by Dennis is unconvincing at best, and insulting at worst. Learn to stay in the text that you've presented. If you have to keep moving on and evading the conclusions of basic exegesis, you've failed to make a case for your theological viewpoint.
If you ever hope to persuade someone of your views, do not mimic the strategies of Dennis. Notice how Steve was able to walk through each text and not resort to jumping around the Bible to make his point. Inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument.
Steve has the patience of Job.
The apostles were talking about the destruction of the Temple that was the end of the Jewish age the church age began in AD 70 ✝️🙏
This is a great example of two brothers who disagree on a biblical topic but nun the less have a great relationship.
I’m learning from them, and how we might all act.
I come away leaning toward Steve’s position, but props to both.
I’m 20 minutes in and I have said “let Steve talk!” to Dennis multiple times.
I can smell the defensiveness of the premillennialist from my home. I know because I used to get easily excited and hot when I was a premillennialist.
He cut you off and then says very good. This is frustrating if you don’t want to call it rude.
A debate moderator was needed here. (I bailed after 15 mins)
40:01 major major point tearing down dispensationalism and browns view; "what leadership role are the jewish ppl as of yet to fulfill?" Tried to answer isa 40 to no avail at all and had to pivot
Postmillennial believers do not believe we take over the world, we believe that Christ is expanding His kingdom on the Earth.
It would have been great if this guy let you finish your points instead of interrupting to change the subject time and time again.
I felt the same way. But I have to admit, it's a pleasure to hear a discussion between people with strong convictions that don't resort to personal attacks and seem to genuinely care for one another. Regardless of which view you hold
Which guy?
Dennis. Not Steve Gregg
@@truthseeker4252I hear ya.
I guess that I hold Christians to a higher standard of dialogue. Having a discussion without personal attacks is great. However, constantly interrupting and changing the topic and jumping around the Bible is just as detrimental to a conversation.
@@isaiahburridgemusic I agree it was very exasperating to watch him interrupting .. and evading Scriptures
This Dennis guy simply cannot help himself from interrupting Steve with some sort of interjection every time Steve spoke. In contrast, Steve patiently allowed Dennis to speak. In my opinion, that is a reflection that Dennis' arguments cannot stand scrutiny.
The interruptions were difficult to get through. Futurists are excitable.
Dennis needs to let Steve talk without interrupting him. Too many uh huhs and ramblings. I say this to helpful for next time. Blessings.
Wow. It’s sad to see someone like Dennis being so obstinate point after conclusive point made by Steve. At some point, Dennis is gonna have to ease off. I believe Steve showed his view is more biblical.
This host is all over the place. Too bad.
This could have been real good.
Is it just me, or was Steve's mic too low and Dennis' too loud? I found it difficult to listen, too many interruptions to Steve's responses. I would have loved to have been able to listen comfortably. to learn each man's godly views without straining. Instead of pointing out that someone's views lean a certain way, ask 'why'...this is a debate, right? We are all here to learn together humbly, not make someone feel 'wrong' for a view but to learn 'why'. The answers will reveal all to be correct or out of line. Patience and a true desire to know the truth go a long way in one's life of learning. God bless all who are seeking His Truth humbly and with a loving desire to draw nearer to our Lord and Savior's heart to serve and love
This is t a fair interview or debate. It’s the host constantly interrupting and cross examining in order to prevent any real point being made. It’s shocking behaviour from a Christian
This host did a great job dodging Steves points. Host proved that he doesn't know how to argue his point and was dishonest in this discussion. Hard to watch. Steve is incredible and thorough. Dennis acts like a child.
Two guys arguing. Both have a better understanding of the subject than their audience. Referring to scripture that the audience has not memorized or maybe even familiar with. They both talk over each other and interrupt each other. I am a fan of Steve and have learned a lot from him but have occasionally found him to be argumentative. The listeners would be better served to narrow the references, quote the passages and let each develop their view and then answer. Less ground would be covered but we would have a better understanding. After listening with interest for nearly an hour there's little that I can take away.
Why do futurists not seem to listen? Interruption all the time. Not an even conversation. Also his microphone far louder.
Great to see a cordial, yet still pationate discussion, but the host kept the debate very superficial. Kept moving on rather than breaking the verses down and supporting them, obviously with a few exceptions.
EDIT: I spoke too soon. The second half Dennis was more thorough i thought. Still didn't convince me but im sure many historic premillennialist in the audience felt the sameway about Steve. All good, brothers.
I’ve learned so much from Gregg and this interview made me respect him even more. Dennis was rude s far as I’m concerned. He seemed very defensive and Gregg did not take the bait. I agree that this was a good interview in a sense but I found it hard to listen to Dennis. As an aside, i find it distracting looking at the American flag dominating the background!
Considering how Christian support for the state of Israel leads to apostacy, and idol worship, how could this NOT be a salvation issue?
I believe Dennis just doesn't want to hear the truth some people just want it their way know matter what but he's wrong 🤷
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
He's quite a rude and pretentious interviewer. If he invited you to speak and so he should stop interrupting you and allow you to do what he invited you to do.
IMO I don’t think Steve is using presuppositions coming to the text. He use to be a futurist. I believe through careful study and trying to let the scripture speak for itself, he came to these conclusions.
Just because something is not mentioned (like Isaiah 60), that doesn't necessarily mean your position is true. That's a fallacy.
Steve can you show me where in the OT one may find a prophecy about the Messiah coming back for the second time?
Dennis interrupts a lot and changes topic as soon as he’s challenged.
I'm sorry, this host is so slippery... it's like trying to nail jello to the wall. As soon as Steve addresses his point (and in my view dismantles and disproves it), and jumps to another talking point. Kudos to Steve for keeping his cool and showing much grace.
I know nothing about "Kingdom Talk", but if it's devoted in large part to a futurist pre-millenial eschatology, you can see why the host is so uptight and desperate to defend his position...if he has to acknowledge that his entire show is premised on a misunderstanding, there would be huge implications to his show and perhaps his employment, his reputation, etc...
dennis is draging out old testiment verses which WERE fullfilled 2000 years ago to over ride new testiment verses that explain old testiment verses. Jesus said that "ALL things written WILL BE FULLFILLED in HIS day, HIS Generation" . dennis then says "do you think Jesus REALLY meant all old testiment prophecies"?? . YES I do dennis. you are trying to say Jesus did not really mean what he clearly said. THATS a huge problem. NEXT.....does steve and dennis believe we are right with God becouse of our faith in christs shed blood to save us....OR do they believe we are made right with God by our obedience to christ and his laws?? James says if we keep ALL of Gods laws but fail at one point we are guilty of ALL. I trust in christ and his shed blood NOT in my rightousness/obedience. NONE of us are100% obedient to christ 100% of the time as the law demands. paul said " if we depend upon keeping the law for rightousness we are SEVERED from christ". Im troubled by steves attitude that seems to be that he is right with God becouse he is "doing what jesus wants me to do", does he follow jesus in everything 24/7?
Your argument is not only with Dennis but also Steve. This is an excerpt from Steve Gregg regarding Luke 21:22 in his book “Why Not Full Preterism”…. “Ezekiel, six hundred years earlier had made a similar statement: “But say to them, ‘The days are at hand, and the fulfillment of every vision” (Ezek.12:23). This is predicting the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. The reference to “every vision” obviously does not speak of all the visions in the whole Bible (e.g., not those of Zechariah, nor the Book of Revelation-which had not yet been revealed). It is clear that Ezekiel is referring only to his own visions, and perhaps those of previous prophets who had also spoken of this specific disaster. “ end quote. Thus, one can rightly understand “all things written maybe fulfilled” in a futurist paradigm.
As Steve points out in the debate one could rightly interpret the tribulation as starting in AD 70 and going all the way up into the second coming. This is exactly what many Futurists agree with. So there’s two very viable exegetical interpretations of Luke 21:22 that in no way support a preterist viewpoint.
A) As stated above, Jesus was not saying that every single passage of the Old Testament would be fulfilled in those days of vengeance (AD 70), but that for all things to be fulfilled those prophecies regarding AD 70 must be fulfilled. In other words, Jesus was making a general statement regarding the fact that AD 70 was most assuredly going to come about, so that all prophecies could ultimately be fulfilled in the future.
B) As Steve stated in the discussion, one could rightly view the tribulation, as having started in AD 70 and continued on up to the second coming. That being the case, in Luke. 21:22 Jesus reference to the days of vengeance could be understood as the entire tribulation. One must remember that Jesus omniscience was veiled and he did not know the day or the hour of his second coming. So then, “all things being written” will be fulfilled at the second coming of Jesus at the end of the tribulation.
This double-fulfillment stuff looks like question begging. They need to create double fulfillment because it helps their position. But they need to prove such a thing exists.
Not a single prophecy has ever had a second fulfillment. Nothing can be fulfilled twice. The definition of fulfillment means that something is complete and won't be fulfilled again. Things that may look like having 2 fulfillments actually have types and shadows of a fulfillment, and the fulfillment itself.
Is 7:14 is one example of many that scholars see as having a double fulfillment. This is a prophecy that had a nearing in time fulfillment with regards to a sign to a has with regards to the deliverance of Israel from their enemies, Samaria and Damascus. It obviously is also was a prophecy of the virgin birth of Messiah.
@@Dennis144000 Agreed.
Would love to have Steve Gregg be able to respond to the topics, without interruption. We learn nothing if we are in the "yea but," mindset. Be slow to listen.
There is ot verse unfulfilled yet, the ressurection , death where is your sting.... but I agree With Steve.
I have listened to this (4) times now, only because of Steve. I love his approach and knowledge, especially during debates.
Dennis please repent of your “cunning, arrogant, manipulative” spirit. It is similar to that of the serpent in the garden; “did God say.”
You speak down to Steve in your attitude, as though you are trying desperately to help see. You are deceived. You would make the perfect politician, with your spin. Repent!
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I beg to differ with the statements that the church is not glorified or resurrected yet. If we aren't resurrected yet, there's a huge problem. Somehow Steve just interprets this as being literal for no reason at all. We are resurrected as a new man in Christ Jesus. We are glorified in Him. This is what is known as the rapture.
We have not yet been bodily resurrected and glorified. We have received the holy spirit so we are in that sense reborn in Christ. But we are not yet glorified. We have to work our our salvation (with fear and trembling) and we can still lose our salvation and we still have to die a physical death. None of that will be the case once we are glorified.
The prophecy of the "great falling away," as ascribed to affect the Church, aligns with the closing of the "age of Grace," doesn't it?
How does the Church continue as the mighty force which preterism espouses?
This is AD 70 futurist need to study more because they have still have dispensationalists views! I'll be so glad when the whole body of Christ can understand the truth because I believe it's Satan that's trying to confuse God's people 🤷
Steve Gregg is awesome but the other guys mic is so much louder, I had to stop listening. Sorry probably a great debate
Wow, this has to happen more often! I need to give some overlooked input, humbly. All the visions about the Son of Man I believe to be about the Messiah. However, there is that girdle of gold that sometimes appears and can be related to the linnen girdle of Jeremiah. I believe that when the girdle is on then the vision is about the times after the flock of Christ, which is His precious gold passed through fire, is already at hand. Othervise not. See if this is true and whether it can help.
Jesus fulfilled the Ezekiel temple John 2:19-22 NIV
[19] Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” [20] They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” [21] But the temple he had spoken of was his body. [22] After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
Revelation 21:22 NIV
[22] I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Jesus replaced the red heifer, at the cross. = Jesus' blood cleanses the altar and sins of man ( you call the behemoth the red heifer ) this is the only way you can approach the altar of G-D by the blood. == Shalom
27:10 Mount of Olives
I find the preterist to leave a feeling anticlimactic because i was praying for my dieing son of cancer and my wheel chair bound brother to be healed before they die. Of course we're planning on being raised from the dead to be healed. Even though i find the prederist interpretation anticlimactic i find it true compaired to having to twist scriptures into pretzels to make it fit. That being said i much prefer Jesus coming back and heal everyone that loves the Lord before we die. Just saying
Its just not reasonable to think that the son would be playing his gameboy. Nintendo switch would be more realistic
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literal but has not happened yet.
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Tereo ek
tay-reh'-o
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something
Ek
ek
Preposition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 62
1. out of, from, by, away from
harpazō
1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Tereo ek
tay-reh'-o
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something
Ek
ek
Preposition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 62
1. out of, from, by, away from
harpazō
1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away
Steves comment about the sealing of Daniel was only 490 years off. This is one key why this man os blinded by jesuit teachings. Too many -ist teachings mixing everything up into nonsence.
Daniel prophisied to the end of time. The latter part of his prophesies was sealed, and was unsealed by revelation. Revelation adds the sealed portions in great detail confirming Daniel.
STEVE DENIES REV.1:19 , REV.4:1 , REV.10: 4, 11 EVEN IF YOU POINT-IT-OUT......REPEATEDLY. HE ALSO DENIES DANIEL 12: 13 CLEARLY DEFINES THE .....TIME OF THE END.....= 21stCENTURY ( as well as the 1stCentury ).
The idea of the tribulation being the entire inter-advent period is novel and wasn’t advanced by any church father or by any dispensationalist. I’ve never even read it from historical or idealist interpreters. It must be what’s currently in vogue at DTS, Moody, and other colleges and seminaries teaching dispensationalism.
This was difficult to listen to because of the way McCourt conducted this discussion.
I have to side with Steve Gregg here.
Dr. Michael Brown does believe in a rapture. BUT says instead the church is leaving for a short bit to welcome Jesus back, kinda like running outside for abit to greet Jesus. He does not want to be said he is part of the rapture crowd.
Where in the Bible is Jesus somehow connected to a 1000 year period on this eart? The unrighteous rise from the grave after a 1000 years and Satan out of his prison after 1000 years but they are destroyed by fire from heaven. Where is there any connection of 1000 years with Jesus. When Jesus returns gets his people outa here forever in my understanding.
@@shelleythomas1046 Origen called chiliasm (the term used to describe the thousand-year reign) "Jewish." J.P. Lange cites DeWette who cites the epistle of Barnabas (c.xv) that, "as [the Holy One] created the world in six days and rested the seventh day, so in six thousand years all things would be consummated and in the last chiliad a great world-Sabbath would be celebrated." J.P. Lange, Commentary on the Holy Scriptures, Philip Schaff, trans., Revelation, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, n.d.), 351.
@@shelleythomas1046 The ancient historic premillennialists as well as the amillennialists, believed in the rapture too. They simply viewed that event as part of the Second Coming and not an event before it by seven years (pre-trib rapture). It's part of the Second Advent. I Thess 4:16-17 = 2 Thess 1:7-10. The term used in 1 Thess 4:16-18 ("meet") is the same one used to describe Paul's being met by the Ephesians as he entered the city (Act 28:15). The raptured saints are taken up to accompany the Lord on his final descent to Earth for the Last Judgment. The rapture is a genuine doctrine, i.e., it isn't something invented by J.N. Darby. Rather, the pretribulation spin on the timing of the event is a novelty of Darby's.
@@dusttalking6871 hi thx for reply. How long will the saints be taken up to accompany the Lord's descent back to earth?
I love the conversation, but when Steve mentions the idealistic view, I don’t know what he means?
Steve explains the idealist view here: www.matthew713.com/search/index.php?keywords=Idealist&topic=_none
@@SteveGreggVideos Steve would love the book "Jacob and Esau Two Nations and the Inheritance". It's packed with references from the OT that point to the New Covenant that I've never heard Steve mention. I know Steve has many books sent to him but I'm telling you...this book is unique.
Idealist means they believe a little of this and a little of that. Eclectic.
Steve, do you have any videos relating to head coverings. Women’s hair. And man’s hair.?
It should be covered in his 1 Corinthians 11 lecture ruclips.net/video/eKQKF4yRm5k/видео.htmlsi=Dp-EVNndYv_ESlAA
Also Steve has answered questions on it here www.matthew713.com/search/index.php?keywords=Hair&topic=_none
After 65 yrs of hearing all this stuff I'm just tired of it. Why don't we just get out there and proclaim the Good News and let the Father take care of the details. OH, sorry this will cost writers millions of dollars in books sells. Very sad
We are proclaiming the Word. But there is importance in all of God's Word just look at what the Pre mills do to mislead in subtle ways. The "imminent" belief is foolish and can draw someone into wrong conclusions and foster complacency. What ever God out in His word must be fair game to teach. Teach not divide.
@@justtruth8310
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The contemporary status of the universal Church is not evidenced as making great headway .....
I have read a document that suggests Jesus did return. .. in 70 AD. the problem is it cannot be verified, but the things it contains are suggestive of it being true.I
Steve do you have an email that you don’t mind people contacting you at.
You'll find it at thenarrowpath.com. Steve is not on RUclips. ~ Jason
In judgement? Yes! Physically as described in acts 1 (ascension)? No. That is still future. But yes Jesus came in judgement in 70AD just like Yahweh did multiple times in the OT. That’s not a physical appearance though.
@@raskolnikov6443 how do you know you weren’t there? He told his followers that they would see him come in his kingdom either he was a liar, or he did it. We do not need evidence. He told him multiple times he would return for them not judgement.
He did come after he was resurrected and He taught them for 40 days before he ascended. He taught them about his kingdom and the coming if the Comforter but he had to leave so the Comforter could come. Is it possible that his kingdom is a spiritual one? No man can enter into the kingdom unless they are born of water and Spirit. This confused Nicodemus too.
@@bryannagonzales7173 he said some of them would not die until they saw him come this implies there was more than 40 days involved. He also said they would see him coming in the clouds…He was not talking about his resurrection go back and read the gospel account of what he said.
Sounds like Steve got worked
according to historic premillenialist it is all done, which is nonsense .
This host is doing an awful job. He can't be quiet for 10 seconds. I think he can sense his position is weaker. They couldn't even progress in a discussion because he was jumping around to all his proof texts. As soon as Steve made a good point, he just changed the topic.
(Full disclosure: I am not a pre-millenial or a dispensationalist)
I gave up half way through. Rude host.
I did not see the host as rude. I saw him as lacking knowledge drawing from his Futurist leanings. He was respectful I thought. But Steve is a encyclopedia of knowledge!
@@justtruth8310 you are probably right. Maybe not so much rude, but so fixed in his mind that he didn’t want to hear the simple logic of Steve’s exposition.
Steve looks like a biker. Not thats a bad thing. Can anyone give link to this podcast?
And Dennis looks like he drives a Taurus. Ha ha. Every podcast page I've looked up doesn't have a post after Dec 15. podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/kingdom-talk-radio
I'm very disappointed! I've never before today seen Steve NOT let someone speak their point. 😒
Steve is definitely not perfect. ~ Jason
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.