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  • @RingwayManchester
    @RingwayManchester  Год назад +33

    Interesting development on the absolute radio closedown
    These Transmitters Should Not Have Been Switched Off
    ruclips.net/video/WlcG6z7I0ms/видео.html

    • @erzahler1930
      @erzahler1930 Год назад

      I hate seeing all of these old, legacy stations going silent with barely an acknowledgement on how important they were around the world.
      When I earned my Novice ticket in 1984, shortwave was still very much alive. Often I would tune in to one on the BBC services on 19 or 31 Meters to get an idea of propagation on the band. Or I might spend a "quiet" evening dx'ing the AM broadcast band for hard-to-find low-power stations in the "graveyard" portion of MW. I considered it a great accomplishment when I could pull out one of those stations from the mud just long enough to copy down call letters, frequency, program info (no Internet back then, only local BBS's!), then log a SINPO code (I had my own form for sending to stations). Then I looked up the station ID in the WRTH handbook, and send it out.
      Usually I would receive a reply in two to three weeks along with a QSL card or certificate.
      Sometimes replies took up to six months. One reply arrived two YEARS after I sent it! I had completely forgotten about it, as I had moved a few months prior; but the postal service was able to forward it to me.
      Now it seems shortwave is mostly dead, except for religious broadcasters and utility stations. A few stateside stations, having lost their parent programmers, now stay on the air by relaying signals from other broadcasters.
      Internet is okay, but it will spell the eventual death of shortwave radio.

  • @COASTALWAVESWIRES
    @COASTALWAVESWIRES Год назад +230

    This is really sad as I work in Poland half of the year and listen to Absolute on 1215 kHz at night and during early morning on the way to work. It’s the way I listen to English programming being stuck in a radio world of non-English programming.

    • @RingwayManchester
      @RingwayManchester  Год назад +16

      Great to hear from you Walt

    • @COASTALWAVESWIRES
      @COASTALWAVESWIRES Год назад +36

      @@RingwayManchester This is a great video! One side note in regards to the end of the video, when listening in Poland the audio always had a slight echo or reverb effect which I now know was caused by me receiving the signal from more than one transmitter simultaneously. That faint signal at the end absolutely confirmed this for me.

    •  Год назад +4

      Same for me, I listened to 1215kHz on my Tecsun (although I luckily almost never have to deal with situations where I don‘t have service, I almost always have 5G now).
      Kind of sad that it‘s going anyways.

    • @joeblow8593
      @joeblow8593 Год назад +3

      @@COASTALWAVESWIRES Yes, I saw that "Giant Slinky Antenna" video that you made receiving them in Poland.

    • @joshuasprucie8933
      @joshuasprucie8933 Год назад +7

      It really does suck that they shut off the transmitters for your sake but also because it's so retro. Nothing like a hearty raw AM signal. You might want to consider using a free UK VPN if possible and use either their app or the website

  • @carlsgarage2023
    @carlsgarage2023 Год назад +100

    Just as I built my first crystal radio this week, the close down loop was one of first stations I heard through the piezoelectric earphone.

  • @erikmutthersbough6508
    @erikmutthersbough6508 Год назад +82

    As someone who has a bit of Civil Defense background and mindset. Along with being a Amateur Radio Operator. The phrase that comes to mind is. "When all else fails.... radio". So I don't see that it's a good idea to have everything digital or internet based. Way to easy to go down.

    • @user2C47
      @user2C47 Год назад +5

      Which is why I'm glad the FM radio in my phone is functional and not locked out by a carrier.

    • @sw6188
      @sw6188 Год назад +12

      I'm a broadcast engineer, amateur operator in New Zealand and I know how important analog radio is during times of civil emergency. It is the only thing that works. When we had the Christchurch earthquakes back in 2011, the first thing to be damaged was the phone lines. Then cell sites went down due to loss of power - so people's phones no longer worked. AM and FM stations that still had power or had backup generators were able to keep broadcasting and relaying important information to the public.
      Sadly, AM transmitters are slowly being shut down here as well and that's all down to cost of keeping them running 24/7.

    • @erikmutthersbough6508
      @erikmutthersbough6508 Год назад +5

      @S W I agree fully. It's sad that profit and penny pinching are removing our backup systems that would be really helpful during national emergencies.
      How good is your amateur radio laws and do a lot of people out there have their amateur radio license?

    • @sw6188
      @sw6188 Год назад +3

      @@erikmutthersbough6508 We have good amateur regulations.
      To qualify, there is a bank of 60 open-knowledge multi-choice questions. You must get 40 correct.
      Once you pass, you have to spend 3 months working either below 5 MHz or above 25 MHz and log 50 contacts. When you have done that then you can work any band at any power. Max EIRP on most bands is 1 kW.

    • @laszlofyre845
      @laszlofyre845 Год назад +1

      That's the way they want it, for when the shit (us!) hits the fan (them).

  • @voiceofjeff
    @voiceofjeff Год назад +76

    I used to own two AM stations in the USA. I loved the sound of AM and tried hard to deliver a clean, crisp signal to my listeners. It's sad that AM seems to be disappearing.
    Thanks for the video and timely information!

    • @DJ_BROBOT
      @DJ_BROBOT Год назад +5

      In America, AM will never go away because the US is so huge and you can use AM to span the country reliably in times of emergency

    • @RicArmstrong
      @RicArmstrong Год назад +2

      Just curious, but what stations did you operate? I'm wondering if I've heard it before.

    • @haywardmKW
      @haywardmKW Год назад +3

      Clean and crisp in relation to AM are oxymorons
      Not capable either due to narrow freq response and atmospheric noise.

    • @itsme123669
      @itsme123669 Год назад +2

      @@haywardmKW yeah... AM was always muddled and tinny at best. The amount of inference that AM radios receive is ridiculous.

    • @stab74
      @stab74 Год назад +2

      @@DJ_BROBOT And then all the Zoomers and half the Millenials die because they have no idea how to switch to the AM band on their car radio, if they even know what the AM band is, or that their car actually has a radio and not just a bluetooth input.

  • @johnroberts8512
    @johnroberts8512 Год назад +45

    I listened to the actual last broadcast 19/01/23 at 2350 they did a tribute to 1215khz it was sad but a great send off with excerpts from BBC ,Virgin and Absolute. Last song was absolute beginners by David Bowie.

    • @stupossibleify
      @stupossibleify Год назад +8

      This shows a great understanding from Absolute Radio on the important legacy of 1215khz, we should give them some credit. I've recently only just started listening to Absolute 80s, and they seem to put a lot of effort into the station: they could have just left it to automated playlists.

    • @wrongsideof40
      @wrongsideof40 Год назад +8

      The Morse code at the begging of that montage reads 'ABSOLUTE INR2', which is a nice touch.

    • @chrisreynolds6331
      @chrisreynolds6331 Год назад +4

      @@stupossibleify Fond memories of 1215. Right back to my teenage years of radio 1 "the happy sound of 247", and more recently absolute radio keeping me sane during the 2020 lockdown.

    • @Z-Test
      @Z-Test Год назад

      🫡

  • @RobsonRoverRepair
    @RobsonRoverRepair Год назад +21

    Am radio helped me through bad times here in Northern Ireland during the 80s when FM would be scrambled regularly during "events" shall we say. I would never let AM die. But I still find it strange radios don't have longwave anymore in them.

  • @highpath4776
    @highpath4776 Год назад +73

    given how much enforcement against broadcast transmitting you have covered, it is amazing that those who have the rights to it want to give it up.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm Год назад +9

      Even if they get a discounted rate, powering a 200kw transmitter is going to be hugely expensive

    • @hugoromeyn4582
      @hugoromeyn4582 Год назад +14

      @@almostfm If they're able to buy or generate their electricity for 20 pence (which is cheap) per kiloWatt/hour, powering a 100kW transmitter (which I guess because it looks like they're using a directional antenna system to radiate 200kW ERP), they probably are consuming 120kW/h using an efficient modern transmitter. That's roughly £210,000 each year. That's without maintenance, workers, replacement of equipment, expensive satellite transponder frequencies and everything I forget to mention. If you take that in account, it will be easily up to £500,000 each year or even more. 🤑

    • @CarolineFord1
      @CarolineFord1 6 месяцев назад

      But do the public really listen to music radio on mono am?

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 6 месяцев назад

      @@CarolineFord1 driving in the US I think. I tend to use DAB or FM in the car nowdays in UK.

  • @mikesmith1290
    @mikesmith1290 Год назад +22

    I love AM radio! Not for the content, but for the static. You can hear some very interesting patterns and tones.

    • @adid.5585
      @adid.5585 Год назад +4

      The background static is the whole charm of it. It makes you feel alive.

  • @petejones1957
    @petejones1957 Год назад +22

    Sad day indeed, there's something magical about AM radio for those of us of a certain age. I live in Sheffield and when out in the Peaks away from electrical noise I'm sometimes able to pick up Radio Caroline on 648, but even the pwm LED lights in the car drown it out most times. Really takes me back to my youth, down on the pebble beach at Barry with my Mum's old Bush radio and a 20ft Tank aerial Caroline was, and thankfully still is a legend. They were very lucky to get an AM licence.

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape Год назад +95

    I hope AM radio never dies here in the US. I love using old tube and transistor radios and keeping them running. There's something cool about using a machine that's well over half a century old to listen to modern news broadcasts.

    • @jan_harald
      @jan_harald Год назад

      lol, over here there's not been any real AM radio more or less ever
      I think there's like...maybe one or two stations I can *KINDA* make out, if tuned exactly right (with basic consumer radio, no fancy setups)

    • @justinrayguitars6024
      @justinrayguitars6024 Год назад +11

      I remember laying in bed as a kid listening to my little am radio. As it got later the far away stations would start coming in opening up a whole new world.

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape Год назад +3

      @@justinrayguitars6024 I get that when driving long distances at night. Driving down a dark highway and hitting the seek button on the car radio.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids Год назад +5

      Long live AM. Its all I generally listen to especially at night for the DX stations.

    • @ashleynixon8305
      @ashleynixon8305 Год назад +3

      yes same in New Zealand. since New Zealand was extremely late to get FM in 1982 every vintage radio NZ made is AM even the cars

  • @hapticmusing
    @hapticmusing Год назад +28

    I live in regional Australia and they literally just replaced a 60yr old 198m tall MW mast with a new 236m tall mast about an hour away from here. 50kW transmitter covers about a 600km stretch of land. We still have no DAB broadcasters up here either. It's all about the coverage.

    • @dennis8196
      @dennis8196 Год назад +5

      You have the terrain than lends itself to LW or MW band radio and no one wants DAB, except the broadcasters, and regulators who can sell the spectrum off.

    • @dennis8196
      @dennis8196 Год назад

      @WirelessNut or an SDR.

    • @hapticmusing
      @hapticmusing Год назад +1

      @@dennis8196 there's one commercial SW channel that covers Cape York. National broadcaster turned off the SW transmitters at the same site in 2015 but these mostly targeted PNG and the Pacific. The broadcasters want DAB in regional areas but the regulator says no.

    • @craigvk2paw17
      @craigvk2paw17 Год назад

      Yes no DAB here Newcastle NSW either

    • @rolly4x4
      @rolly4x4 Год назад +2

      In Perth the DAB signal pretty much just covers a 50km radius around the city. Useless any further out than that. AM and FM still rule everywhere else.

  • @rayoflight62
    @rayoflight62 Год назад +12

    I call it "the sign of the times". With broadcast radio, the broadcast pay for the transmission medium. With Internet, the listener pay for the medium.
    It is not only that. I can listen to an AM broadcast with a piece of wire, a coil and a diode. With digital, I'm gonna need some sort of processor or other hi-tech solution, with no provisions for an emergency.
    And maybe, I was one of the few that still own an AM receiver (or a collection of them)? Sure Absolute Radio wanted to save on the electricity bill.
    You're right, it's a sad day today. The entire downhill situation begun EU-wide in 2006 when many national broadcasters begun shutting down AM transmitters all over the continent; shortly after BBC shut down World Service on AM. I don't own a DAB radio...

    • @DXingSlovenija
      @DXingSlovenija Год назад

      @@thewhitefalcon8539 did you try DRM yourself?
      Its not better, because you need a very strong signal to actualy get usable decoding
      Look at this video: ruclips.net/video/aofq6H1a3tQ/видео.html
      You can hear, the decoded audio on left channel as well as raw demodulated audio on the right one (it sounds like static)
      Now look at 0:47, when the drm signal cuts out, you can still hear analog audio
      If this would be transmitted on analog, you would still be able to hear the music

    • @DXingSlovenija
      @DXingSlovenija Год назад

      @@thewhitefalcon8539 sadly in digital world its just hard to do that
      You eather have enough bits or you dont, you cannot decode half bit, half bad, because you eather have a bit or you dont
      Thats why I always said that analog is better for over the air signals because a signal can have a varying degree of quality, and with analog your ears can at least extraxt some information
      Also, signal has to be analog at the end anyway for our ears to understand it, so why even convert analog signal to digital, to then transmitt it over a fragile medium, and then convert this signal with varying degree back to analog
      Also, not sure if you knew but DRM (we are not talking about DRM+, thats a different story) offers FM quality sound, which you can also get with guess what analog FM signal
      So no advantage at all
      I know I will probably never convince you to believe analog is better for audio broadcast, and thats all right
      So let me just end my talking with this:
      m.ruclips.net/video/YMAPKTnJtnA/видео.html
      Listen to it, and admire its quality

  • @pandemic_virus
    @pandemic_virus Год назад +2

    United AM 1008 in Netherlands and now Absolute Radio... AM is taking a hammering in this new year.

  • @Flofutz
    @Flofutz Год назад +3

    Another Britsh Radio gone here in Germany.
    After BFBS shut down this was one of the services i used.
    With all the german stations all ready closed AM falls dormant.

  • @tigerelectronics5966
    @tigerelectronics5966 Год назад +12

    I was able to listen to absolute radio here in Sweden, my hallicrafter tuned it in extremely well. Very sad to hear that it's gone :(

  • @lukedavid4393
    @lukedavid4393 Год назад +23

    Thanks Lewis, another interesting video that reminds me of those years we'd suffer multipath distortion listening to BBC Radio 1 on 1053 and 1089 KHz.

  • @petersharpe3186
    @petersharpe3186 Год назад +2

    When I visited Brookman's Park in 1978 after the changeover, the 1215khz service was running at 50KW from an older Marconi Transmitter. I went up to the cabinet and turned up the audio monitor potentiometer and heard the Radio 3 output on the 6 " loudspeaker.

  • @wrongsideof40
    @wrongsideof40 Год назад +4

    So it's goodbye to 247m. I remember - back in the late sixties - listening to Radio 1 come on air each morning with a series of bongs, follows by George Martin's Theme One. Another old friend laid to rest!

  • @chrisreynolds6331
    @chrisreynolds6331 Год назад +6

    When the Moorside carrier disappeared it dramatically showed how dependable AM was with Droitwich or brookmans park still being audible!

  • @Bdub1952
    @Bdub1952 Год назад +4

    So sad to see this. Absolute Radio 1215 was a beacon for MW DX across the pond in the USA.

  • @JeffGeerling
    @JeffGeerling Год назад +6

    Definitely the end of an era. The broadcasters pay a good amount to keep these AM transmitters alive and maintained, and for the larger ones the benefit of wide coverage is negated now by the fact that so few people listen to those frequencies (and many don't even have access).
    Building your own little radio was a fun pastime but the people who do so are few and far between as I think for many, radio has lost its "magic". Even though the things we are doing with it today still boggle the mind.

    • @RingwayManchester
      @RingwayManchester  Год назад +2

      Loved your million watt tower video Jeff!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling Год назад +1

      @@RingwayManchester Thanks! Hopefully my Dad and I can give a few more neat overviews of broadcasting towers here in the US. I love seeing little differences here and overseas (and what's similar!).

  • @craigvk2paw17
    @craigvk2paw17 Год назад +5

    AM radio is stilling going strong here in Australia, DAB is a bit like beta tapes , if your going to listen to digital you may as well stream .

  • @johnniewelbornjr.8940
    @johnniewelbornjr.8940 Год назад +2

    I guess these days were inevitable... I began in AM back in '83 and saw vinyl give way to cd's through '93, working on the air in both AM and FM stations. Upon returning for two more years (2001-2002), it was all digital and touchscreens (I loved the digital production rooms a lot!)... and voicetracking/recorded airshifts, often on several corporate stations (sometimes not even in the same region of the US)... The immortal words of the late, great BB King came to mind finally : "The Thrill Is (was) Gone"... As much as I have embraced and loved modern technology, there is always going to be a part of me that misses the artistic days of real radio.

  • @rickthescrewballpeacekeepe7387
    @rickthescrewballpeacekeepe7387 Год назад +3

    I live in north east Wales and struggle to receive it on 1215 from Droitwich, it was always getting drowned out by that stupid Talk Sport station or whatever it's called.
    MW is nearly dead so now is the time to buy a pantry TX unit for my old radios, some of which are wartime and I'd like to keep them alive.

  • @steventonm
    @steventonm Год назад +10

    Thanks for the video. Very interesting, and also very sad. As a fellow radio ham, I used to surf the medium wave band in my earlier years. Who remembers Radio Luck-Lucky-Luxemburg? Caroline? Radio London? Happy days.......

    • @ChoppingtonOtter
      @ChoppingtonOtter Год назад +3

      Still got a QSL card from radio Luxembourg 😊

    • @g4rni149
      @g4rni149 Год назад +2

      Hi, I'm G4RNI. Radio Nordsee International.

    • @chrisreynolds6331
      @chrisreynolds6331 Год назад +1

      I remember radio Luxembourg from the 60s. "Fab 208" they often called themselves.

    • @steventonm
      @steventonm Год назад +1

      @@chrisreynolds6331 You probably will remember “Horace Batchelor, Keynsham, spelt K E Y N S H A M, Bristol” for the football pools as well!

    • @trevordance5181
      @trevordance5181 Год назад +1

      I remember listening to Radio Luxembourg on 208 meters MW in Majorca in the late 1980's. It's signal covered a vast area.

  • @eliasritter2176
    @eliasritter2176 Год назад +6

    I used to listen to absolute Radio on my 70s Transistor Radios at night here in Germany. Sad to hear it‘s now gone forever

  • @raymondmartin6737
    @raymondmartin6737 Год назад +16

    I have noticed there are less AM, MW, stations in Canada in recent years, moving
    to FM, and Europe too.
    Thanks for the NYC coverage while you were there, and I learned some things I didn't know. even having been living previously,
    most of my lifenear NYC.

    • @jonthebru
      @jonthebru Год назад

      Twenty Two AM stations in the US turned in their license to the FCC in 2022, giving up.

    •  Год назад

      FM also is killed in Norway, Switzerland will follow in 2025.
      DAB doesn‘t only have drawbacks however, I was able to receive a clear signal from 80km away (due to elevation), while the FM signal was audible but really noisy. HE-AAC v2 isn‘t that bad after all.
      However, I still miss listening to AM in this low quality with some cracking. I guess most don‘t want that, but prefer a clear high-quality signal (and to be honest, I‘d probably also broadcast on HD Radio or DRM in the guard bands).

    • @raymondmartin6737
      @raymondmartin6737 Год назад +1

      @Max Müller I had heard about Norway 🇳🇴 shutting down FM, though not yet about
      Switzerland 🇨🇭 .
      In the US I have had Ibiquity HD for FM and
      AM for over 20 years now with portable and Auto receivers, though not currently in my
      2018 Jeep Renegade, but my previous 2016
      Toyota Prius had HD. AM, MW HD has been
      declining because, especially at night the
      HD sidebands interfere with adjacent AM
      station.
      There is a small AM station, about 250 watts, which was a local station for many
      years, WFAS, for many years in the White
      Plains, NY area where I used to live. It is
      only receivable with an HD capable radio,
      which may be the future in the US for FM
      and AM, MW.
      I have recently visited the area again and
      heard the HD only carrier.
      Also, I had an HD receiver, JVC, installed in
      my car over 20 years ago, which still has a
      CD player and an input wired for an ipod
      player, no Bluetooth connection back then.
      I was also an early adopter of XM satellite
      reception with an outboard Sony receiver
      back around 2001, but even though my
      Jeep and an Eton Satellit E1XM has it too,
      I recently dropped subscribing as it cost
      almost US $50.00 a month. Ray.

    •  Год назад

      @@raymondmartin6737 DRM possibly is the better choice, there is a station in Czech that can be received from Germany (it‘s 250 or 1000W I think) and DRM in AM bands is pretty widespread in India.
      I see a point in mainly digital AM band radio. Maybe they should have 20kHz wide channels (9/10kHz for AM and 4.5/5kHz for DRM).
      Even 6kbps xHE-AAC sounds incredible considering the low data rate. Equally to AM with a good signal, just that DRM seems to work perfectly at a SNR of 7dB>.

    • @granttaylor3697
      @granttaylor3697 Год назад +1

      There is always AM stereo that would sound so much better than a compressed digital using AAC digital stream, as not hard to upgrade AM sites to the C-QuAM standard.

  • @martyp2138
    @martyp2138 Год назад +20

    Wow, never seen that coming although given the power bill I suppose it was bound to at some stage. Never listened to Absolute Radio on AM to be honest, but as a kid it was Virgin Radio and Atlantic 252 - now they are both gone of the air. Sad.

  • @Mikexception
    @Mikexception Год назад +2

    It is unfortunate for me too. In last years I managed to listen to 1215 almost dayly in Poland with my wonderfull vintage radio and 15 m antenna . . I admire AM good music even with interferences - it has special athmosphere no comparable . to FM, Digital. And that awareness of direct communication through thousands km.
    In last months reception was weaker so I would conclude that the power was down due to rise of energy costs - we need to remember that station was received in other countries without payment. My last tape recording is very weak: sad announcement. In my life I lost 208 Luxemburg, R.Carolina, R Seagull, Nostalgia 5 from Hilversum and now this.

  • @m0jzd799
    @m0jzd799 Год назад +12

    As at approx 2230 on 25 January, the Absolute Radio close down loop is still being broadcast from the 16 KW transmitter in Lisnagarvey, mixed in with the COPE signals from Spain. Here in Suffolk, Absolute Radio is around SINPO 24242, with COPE around SINPO 33243.

    • @bobroberts2371
      @bobroberts2371 Год назад +1

      See the vid " Lost Timeline: The french distress call " on the channel " Sleeper Awake "

    • @R.A.N.I
      @R.A.N.I Год назад

      We were busy that week and didn't get a chance to turn it off for a while..... Btw it was a 10kW Harris DX10

  • @user-gz4hw3wt9z
    @user-gz4hw3wt9z Год назад +17

    It's a shame to see AM is on its way out. Absolute on 1215 was my go to station for years.
    I stopped listening to the radio in general about 3 years ago, so I suppose I can't complain too much about losing a service I had stopped using.
    It still feels sad to see it end though.

    • @Firthy2002
      @Firthy2002 Год назад

      Aye tuning the MW band these days is mostly dead air even compared with a decade ago.

  • @mikesmith5389
    @mikesmith5389 Год назад +2

    Gone are the days when MW broadcast the best stations. Who can remember the golden days of Radio London and Caroline not to mention the much missed Radio Luxembourg fading in and out? It's the way of the world and I haven't owned a MW radio for many many years but on the flipside I used to love to DX MW for any American stations that were making it across the pond and the shutting down of UK stations would now make that much easier. Maybe this will give me some incentive to take up that hobby again.

  • @Aengus42
    @Aengus42 Год назад +9

    Jeez! I can remember radio1 as "247 radio"! Does anyone else have those little stick on diamonds that arrived through UK letterboxes so we could retune easily?
    Edit; Bugger! I'm getting old!

    • @markwoolley3672
      @markwoolley3672 Год назад +1

      I found the tuning guide card at my parents house a few months ago, and bought it back with me to Munich Germany. I can't imagine there are many more of them to be found around here!

    • @Aengus42
      @Aengus42 Год назад

      @@markwoolley3672 Or many that remember them or the jingle that was drilled into our heads before the move... 🎶"Two four seven radiooooo!"🎶

    • @johnflowers1976
      @johnflowers1976 Год назад

      The wavelength switch over of R1,2,3,4 with the diamond stickers - wasn't that around 1978?

  • @Elfnetdesigns
    @Elfnetdesigns Год назад +8

    Personally I think cutting out AM and FM analog services is a terrible idea especially in emergencies. This could be a regrettable decision in the future.

    • @user2C47
      @user2C47 Год назад

      In the US, broadcast radio and TV are the primary, and for the most part only means of delivering emergency messages. Smart TVs and other streaming media devices do not currently offer this capability, nor is there even an IP-facing API (that I know of) to look for alerts.
      So, there is no excuse to not have a battery powered radio with some means of power generation.

    • @sw6188
      @sw6188 Год назад +1

      Cities and countries will discover this when it's too late. AM and FM services work when nothing else does. Everyone had (and can still have) a portable radio that works on dry cells and will allow hours of listening if a civil emergency happens.

    • @xenuburger7924
      @xenuburger7924 Год назад

      I would assume the AM transmitters would be maintained for use in an emergency.

    • @billoscroft8119
      @billoscroft8119 Год назад

      As I have said elsewhere, you are assuming that everything will survive EMP in a nuclear emergency - let alone the general impact on the broadcasting infrastructure.

    • @Elfnetdesigns
      @Elfnetdesigns Год назад

      One would assume that but I have see this situation before and they play out either being sold off a a whole unit to another broadcaster or sold off in parts , scrap metal and land space. Cellular providrs will nto buy the sites as they like to use new specifically designed towers for their needs. Those towers will be dropped and not unstacked also, cheaper and takes less time.

  • @joeblow8593
    @joeblow8593 Год назад +19

    I'm sorry to see that they shut off the AM service over there. I was was a bit surprised that they put out 200,000 watts. Here in the U.S., AM stations are limited to 50,000 watts with many stations running far less than that. On the other hand, it may open the doors for some AM DXing possibilities for you. It may come of a bit surprise to some , but a few stations from the U.S. and Canada do make it across the pond. Including the 50,000 watt New York City stations such as 710 WOR, 1010 WINS, and 1130 WBBR as they beam their signals east. Check out the many Transatlantic AM DXing videos out there on RUclips,. Cheers

    • @comput3rman77
      @comput3rman77 Год назад +4

      There was a time during the 20's and 30's that the US had a 500KW station on the air. WLW was the first and only station in the US to operate with a license at that power until more stations wanted to increase their power to 500 KW at which time the FCC declined to renew the special license WLW had and they had to reduce power back to 50KW.

    • @ConnorWalsh_briz
      @ConnorWalsh_briz Год назад

      Yes, I’m more pleased than sad. It extends AM dxing for us in this part of the world

    • @steeviebops
      @steeviebops Год назад +3

      There's still an AM station in Algeria pumping out 1,500,000 watts, albeit on 252 kHz in the long wave band.

    • @rayoflight62
      @rayoflight62 Год назад +4

      The US is big enough, and with enough analog oriented users, to make an AM station still commercially viable. Also the electricity is very cheap compared to what happened here in the UK...

    • @rayoflight62
      @rayoflight62 Год назад +1

      In its heyday in the '70s, Radio Montecarlo had a 1.2 MW transmitter; it used a valve the size of a person...

  • @denniswofford
    @denniswofford Год назад +2

    I know of a couple of ham radio clubs that have gotten permission to access defunct AM broadcast antenna sites here in the states and used the towers as antennas for field day events.

  • @gamlemann53
    @gamlemann53 Год назад +5

    All the official radiostations in Norway has gone over to the DAB system. (Data signals on the air). Only local stations use FM now here. So in your car or at home you have to by DAB recievers to here NRK. Of course DAB radios has also FM, but everybody here had to buy new radios. 😞 I liked the old FM band! If you are driving outside towns, you miss the signals, and don't hear anything for a while. (hehe) Thank's for the video Lewis 🙂It remind me when we closed the ofisell FM broudcast system. The best from LB1NH Arild,

  • @efricha
    @efricha Год назад +9

    What a shame that Digital Radio Mondiale never caught on.

    • @johnflowers1976
      @johnflowers1976 Год назад +1

      DRM is catching on (eventually) in other continents but sadly not in Europe.

    • @efricha
      @efricha Год назад +1

      @@johnflowers1976 Not in the Americas, unfortunately. Standard MW is still here for the moment, though.

    • @johnflowers1976
      @johnflowers1976 Год назад

      While DRM has a few European Technical Standards Institute (ETSI) standards associated with it, it's mostly been implemented on MF in India - so far. There are plans for Pakistan, South Africa and Brazil to set up transmitter infrastructure, among others, and of course for shortwave. DRM didn't catch on in Europe due to DAB and mobile 4G being available first.

  • @Fester_
    @Fester_ Год назад +1

    The RUclips algorithm actually sent me to a worthwhile post. Goodbye to our past.

  • @Dr_snus
    @Dr_snus Год назад +3

    It's such a shame. I liked listening to 1215k absolute radio. They'll all be going that way eventually. All will be fine until the day the Internet goes down.

  • @andrewagner2035
    @andrewagner2035 Год назад +4

    Greetings from Cape Town. The magic of radio for the past 100 years is now to be replaced by more efficient broadcasting methods. Sad, but it is what it is.

  • @frankedwardcurry
    @frankedwardcurry Год назад +6

    Shame to close down AM stations. Could you do a video on Radio Caroline on 648 AM and how it links up with Manx Radio on 1368 AM as Radio Caroline North twice a month broadcasting from the Caroline ship Ross Revenge. If you haven't already done so. That would be interesting. 648 was formerly used by BBC World Service.

  • @gpo746
    @gpo746 Год назад +2

    Great opportunity for Radio Caroline to expand . Buy / Lease the site and TX gear !

  • @rebeccamacgregor549
    @rebeccamacgregor549 Год назад +19

    I'm gutted by this. I wasn't even an Absolute listener. Just upset by what it represents. I feel that digital radio sounds crap and internet streaming sounds sterile. The only things I listen on Medium Wave are Radio Caroline. (Usually not a bad signal here in Birmingham) and Radio Scotland which is good after dark. My paranoid / suspicious nature feels that the government want us on platforms that they can switch off with the flick of a switch. Long live Radio (Defined here as a sigmal emitted by an antenna and received by anything from a pocket tranny to a high end tuner.)

    • @haywardmKW
      @haywardmKW Год назад +1

      As far as AM audio quality goes Anything sounds better.

    • @392nightrunner
      @392nightrunner Год назад

      A pocket tranny...😆

    • @ambientmekanic386
      @ambientmekanic386 Год назад

      I feel the same, i might be a little bit paranoid spectrum person but from 2019 i start to understand that i am just rightly using mind. Of course i feel the same way, click - no communication = they can do whatever they want with us (lie to us). Everything is being organised right now to enslave people, im ashamed i live in theese filthy and sad times. And people are becoming so dumb right now! Everything on media is about non relevant shi* or propaganda.

  • @2010craggy
    @2010craggy Год назад +7

    Very sad day for radio indeed. I know you can stream, or if you must- get it on awful DAB, but there was always something magical about receiving AM broadcasts. Thankfully there’s HF to listen to!

    • @ArnieDXer
      @ArnieDXer Год назад

      Well, Absolute Radio geoblocks their streaming... although if you're savvy enough, you may overcome this, even without a VPN 🤓
      But where's the joy if it's (almost) as easy to pick up as literally thousands of other streaming radio stations from all over the world, compared to mediumwave & shortwave where you have to struggle sometimes to hear the station?

    • @fl570
      @fl570 Год назад +2

      @@ArnieDXer There's a charm to radio listening that "Internet streaming" cannot and will never be able to give you. Great choice, sure, but there's no fun in it - it's all soullessly digital. Just like CDs vs. vinyls.
      Also, radios are great for listening to emergency broadcasts in emergency situations, when all else usually fails. Moving everyone onto online streaming is not a good move, as it makes non-enthusiasts get rid of radios and thus render them vulnerable in emergency situations when all they'd have is their smartphone and PC.

  • @ericdee6802
    @ericdee6802 Год назад +13

    Id love to see the amplifier for this station, I bet the steel vacuum tubes are massive!

    • @steeviebops
      @steeviebops Год назад +2

      I read somewhere that Virgin and Talk Radio (as they were then) replaced all of the old BBC valve-based transmitters with solid state units when they launched in 1993. Probably Harris units.

    • @steeviebops
      @steeviebops Год назад

      @@VictheSecret Yes that is and was the case in more recent times but Arqiva didn’t even exist in 1993.

    • @ohgosh5892
      @ohgosh5892 Год назад +1

      @@VictheSecret another thatcher tory win.

  • @lezbriddon
    @lezbriddon Год назад +5

    Interesting to hear how stations get bought out and merged and taken over, but its also very very sad as small local stations get swallowed up and become generalised having to tow some bigger corporate line and they all start to sound the same. already seen in "local tv" stations too. individuality goes out the window

  • @csproductions
    @csproductions Год назад +11

    Shame, the signal would reach here in berlin at night time and was able to listen while driving in my van

  • @ChoppingtonOtter
    @ChoppingtonOtter Год назад +3

    Great for those who can't get digital. DAB doesn't reach where I live (in a valley). The assumption as ever that everyone lives in a city.

  • @Mike-H_UK
    @Mike-H_UK Год назад +10

    I would listen to that occasionally on my crystal set. How could they think that saving the cost of a 200kW transmitter is reasonable I'll never know!

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm Год назад +2

      You just need to do the math on the electricity. If they're anything like AM stations here in the US, they have to reduce power at night. Since I don't know what they power down to, I'm only going to count the "daytime" hours. 200kW X 12 hours is 2.4 megawatts per day. That's 876 megawatts per year. If you assume they pay half of my residential rate (and converting that from $ here in California to GBP), that's £.11/kw. For the year, it's roughly £96,500 If their night-time power is 1/5 that of the daytime power, that's going to add another £20,000 to the power bill. If they're microwaving the signal to the towers, those microwave transmitters are being powered, too.
      Radio Joint Audience Research Limited (RJARL) collects listening data in the UK and the source (AM/DAB/FM, etc) being listened to, and publishes the numbers to broadcasters. I'm assuming that radio (and TV) ad rates are based on listeners/viewers. My guess without seeing the numbers is that the AM listening audience was just too small for them to generate enough ad revenue to keep them on the air.

    • @Mike-H_UK
      @Mike-H_UK Год назад +1

      @@almostfm Agreed. There there is also transmitter & mast maintenance and depreciation, rent of land etc. So probably no change from £150-200k per year. There was a mild hint at sarcasm in my comment, but the cost is obviously very high and much more expensive than an internet link and high-grade server.

  • @anthonyperkins7556
    @anthonyperkins7556 Год назад +3

    It's a shame Digital Radio Mondiale in the UK never took off.
    It would've given AM a bit more mileage, with a better quality of transmission / signal, and at night robust mode can be activated to reduce the effects of digital dropouts from the night-time propagation effects / ionospheric fading, albeit at the cost of a slight loss of quality, but is still listenable even so.

  • @therobb5738
    @therobb5738 Год назад +2

    I'm in the US, and I still fell bummed over the downing of an OG radio station :(

  • @johnshaw8013
    @johnshaw8013 Год назад +7

    They want us all on streaming platforms so they can cut us off and isolate us by merely turning off the Internet and mobile cell circuits!
    Bring back pigeons! 🤣

  • @ohioplayer-bl9em
    @ohioplayer-bl9em Год назад +3

    I didn't realize the UK had so many AM stations that played music. We have a lot of AM but its most sports, news, weather, and talk. I happen to live in the 700wlw broadcast area and people still talk about when it was 500,000 watts experimental back in the day.
    The stories talk about fences vibrating to the sounds,. aluminum siding, and even fillings in peoples mouth. Not sure how true they are but 500,000 watts is a pretty strong signal that could probably light a light bulb up if you were close enough and had it wired correctly.

    • @Firthy2002
      @Firthy2002 Год назад

      I'm not sure why music orientated AM stations in the UK have outlasted their US counterparts. Although the ones that are left now are mostly news, sports and talk radio networks.

  • @dhelton40
    @dhelton40 Год назад +8

    AM/MW radio goes on here in the States primarily because our FCC has allowed them FM translator frequencies at fairly low power (usually 100 watts). For many of the low power AM stations (think 1000 watts) this gives almost the same coverage, with much better sound. They are oddly required to stop broadcasting on FM if the AM transmitter fails. This keeps AM going for no real benefit. A local station that has 10000 watts in the day time would sign off at sunset , in the past, to protect a high power Canadian station. They now stay on with 12 watts, at night, so they can broadcast on FM. I should say that AM/MW in North America is now largely talk radio, news, or religious programming.

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape Год назад

      Or sports.

    • @J-1410
      @J-1410 Год назад +2

      There are a lot of music stations in the midwest and prairies still, especially at night when our conductive soil helps carry it. You can hear WSM outside of Winnipeg.
      The sign off to low power is not new.
      There are a surprising amount of stations that do not have the FM translator.

    • @uploadJ
      @uploadJ Год назад

      @@J-1410 re: "especially at night when our conductive soil helps carry it."
      At night - it is the ionosphere that helps ... the "D-Layer" goes away at night and the reflective layers above that provide the propagation beyond that of normal 'ground wave' seen during the day. Soil conductivity helps the ground wave prop during the day.

  • @RealSergiob466
    @RealSergiob466 Год назад +2

    Glad the FCC is for the MW/AM radio for the backbone of Emergency Alert System in the US. And it’s here to stay in general

  • @manuelvillanueva3753
    @manuelvillanueva3753 Год назад +1

    Your relaxing music hits, Smooth Radio...
    Loved it!

  • @gaz66chris
    @gaz66chris Год назад +3

    long live radio caroline!

  • @sondrayork6317
    @sondrayork6317 Год назад +2

    I have never heard of a station broadcasting a shutdown loop, that's a new one on me lol.

  • @colin.d
    @colin.d Год назад

    Can't remember the last time I listened to AM radio!

  • @shake-n-vac
    @shake-n-vac Год назад

    I live a few miles from Brookmans Park, where several am (and DAB multiplexes) services are broadcast, including radio 5 on 909khz from a monster mast radiator.
    I find much comfort in the superior warmth of tone when listening to am broadcasts (particularly at night).
    📻🎙️

  • @Crabbyjack
    @Crabbyjack Год назад +5

    This is absolutely outrageous 😢

  • @Ale-Tronic
    @Ale-Tronic Год назад +2

    I find AM radio very amusing because of the SDR's available on the internet today, picking various radio bands, 0 - 30MHz being the standard. A example is the KiwiSDR project, which are hosted by normal people, and scatered all around the globe, so you could use them to listen to the local radio stations from that place. You can even look at the map, and pick one close to the transmitter site of that specific station. So, it's very sad to see the number of SDR increasing, but the actual stations being shut down.

  • @richardmillican7733
    @richardmillican7733 Год назад

    I heard the repeating broadcast on 1215. I was fiddling about with my kenwood ts 450 s having just re-capped the audio board. I gave myself the day off on 23rd January. ... it was my birthday! !

  • @techtinkerin
    @techtinkerin Год назад +1

    The one I really miss is Atlantic 252, in the 90s in South west Scotland it was one of the few stations that had decent music you could get with good signal. 👍

  • @AmoralTom
    @AmoralTom Год назад +2

    Living in Ireland I could pick up Absolute radio at night on the AM band. Was sad to hear this message last night.

  • @klafong1
    @klafong1 Год назад +2

    Years ago, I recall a spokesperson for 1215 MW (it might have been Virgin Radio at the time) publicly stating displeasure with the mediumwave broadcasts. The statement went something like, "We don't want you hearing us on that dreadful frequency [1215 kHz], and The Killers don't want you listening to them on that dreadful frequency." Bashing one's own product seems like really awful PR to me, though it gives an insight on the attitude that the broadcaster had.

    • @thedecmyster1
      @thedecmyster1 11 месяцев назад

      I think at the time Branson tried too get the FM 105.8 frequency nationalised

  • @ParamDxer
    @ParamDxer Год назад +1

    Very nice mast transmission site being used by now former Absolute Radio. Pity that this left the airwaves as this was the only frequency of Absolute Radio being received. Thanks for sharing 73!

  • @AndrewAbraham83
    @AndrewAbraham83 Год назад

    I just discovered this a few days ago. Got a total surprise when I tuned into a UK SDR and couldn't find it.

  • @hcy0
    @hcy0 Год назад +4

    Very sad, I liked to hear this on AM, gave the orignal 80s sound

  • @Firthy2002
    @Firthy2002 Год назад +2

    It's pretty disappointing that in the UK we've not taken up Digital Radio Mondiale to replace analogue services in the AM broadcast band. Whilst it would still require new gear for broadcasters and listeners, at least we could re-use the transmitter sites. I'm not sure what other feasible uses for that particular band there is.

  • @DJTKarlsson
    @DJTKarlsson Год назад +4

    I used to listen to this on 1215khz in Klaipeda , Lithuania. Sometimes even came in superclear in my car stereo on an average afternoon.
    Edit: well i guess its yet another station adding to the tunein app

    • @andw2638
      @andw2638 Год назад +1

      Labas :) I was in Palanga 15 years ago and noticed there was excellent reception of UK stations including Radio Scotland on 810. Perhaps the antennas are oriented away from what used to be called "the continent", meaning western Europe, which would benefit areas to the east on the latitude of Newcastle upon Tyne (KLP does have nicer summer weather than its sister region of North Tyneside).
      My cheap portable, which is all I had to hand, also picked up the North Korean radio and my friend commented on the awful accent of the announcers on their Russian language service.

    • @DJTKarlsson
      @DJTKarlsson Год назад

      @@andw2638 oh Nice, yes they are quite clearsounding! I havent actually hunted for the north koreans stations yet, but back home in southern sweden i usually received them easily once i stepped out of my distorted mancave with the tecsun :)
      Edit: ofc, with all the other factors on your side ;)

  • @ChrisTheHulk
    @ChrisTheHulk Год назад +1

    A good friend of mine has a classic car with its original stereo. He used to listen to absolute radio daily. He was gutted when it stopped transmitting on AM

  • @mutezone
    @mutezone Год назад +2

    Thank you for sharing the switchoff for Moorside. My local 1kW relay for 1215 kHz is also off. I am now only getting the Lisnagarvey transmitter on 1215 & Lydd/Romney Marsh on 1260. A shame this has happened as I have memories of 1215 during the days of Virgin, but MW is not sustainable in this current economic climate.

  • @arthurschipper8906
    @arthurschipper8906 Год назад +2

    Now I want to take over all those dormant transmitters and spread my own brand of the truth.

  • @M6GOF
    @M6GOF Год назад +1

    Oddly related: Had some guy come to the door recently doing a survey on if we listen to radio or not. Admittedly, I had to say that I personally don't use my tuner on my hi-fi anymore and use my i-Fi Zen Blue streamer for any podcasts or anything radio station related.

  • @allanm6246
    @allanm6246 Год назад

    I remember the night Radio Luxembourg (The great 208) closed down. It was one of the saddest nights in history. Very few stations left on MW now.

  • @jonfr
    @jonfr Год назад +1

    This means that I am hearing fewer UK radio stations on MW in Iceland and Denmark (soon Iceland only). I can only hear them during the night in the winter from UK. I don't hear other mainland Europe stations over MW (or SW) in Iceland because of distance from the mainland (over 600 km to UK and over 2000 km on the mainland Europe).

  • @RandomRetr0
    @RandomRetr0 Год назад +1

    Such a shame. If they wanted to donate the site I’d use it as a ham museum and educational center

  • @winstonchurchill6506
    @winstonchurchill6506 Год назад +1

    Yep heard this at the weekend loop recording on the old frg 7.cheers lewis...

  • @sw6188
    @sw6188 Год назад

    AM radio is being shut down here in New Zealand as well. Not on a wide scale (yet) but it has started. A number of high power sites have been shut down and the tower dismantled and removed.

  • @AMERICA_CARR
    @AMERICA_CARR Год назад +2

    If war were to ever break out I promise you they are going to open up those AM radio stations again

  • @nodrogd2000
    @nodrogd2000 Год назад

    Just to clear up a few things. Moorside Edge has not been operating at 200kW since 2018. Indeed all Absolute high power sites were reduced to half power following an agreement with OFCOM to continue the service. Arqiva wanted a lot more money to keep the transmitters operating for another 5 years & Bauer wanted to reduce their costs, hence the power reductions & the closure of some low power sites. The transmitter heard operating after the plug was pulled was Lisnagarvey in Northern Ireland (Droitwich & Brookmans Park had already shut down). With no Arqiva engineers based in NI, one had to be sent across. It is also notably the last one to ACTUALLY broadcast a service, as there was a fallback standby transmitter in an adjacent room that was not connected to the shutdown loop. This fired up 30 seconds after the main was tripped out, giving listeners another minute or so of Absolute Radio output before it to was tripped.

  • @denisohbrien
    @denisohbrien Год назад +2

    you cant blame them, I own a garage, so sit in many many folks cars, aside from that one in a blue moon customer, there radios are all on fm or dab and heres the kicker, there almost never on the radio. for me, personally, my cars audio is fed through wireless android auto, so its bbc dance, radio6 and absolute 90's. Its a shame to see AM radio dying but i get it. what would be nice is for the frequencies to be opened up to enthusiasts/pirate radio. could be a fun resurgance.

  • @esunetdude
    @esunetdude Год назад +2

    Another instance of "encouraging" people to use apps. Anything to sell more mobile phones, use more cellular data so the mobile phone carriers make more money. Not for me.

  • @karlschwab6437
    @karlschwab6437 Год назад

    Here in Detroit, Michigan, we have two large AM stations that are useless to me anymore because of all of the commercials that are broadcast ever few minutes. I remember years ago, when AM radio was an important part of my day. With this being said, they can close the two down and not be missed by me.

  • @jamesbrett6518
    @jamesbrett6518 Год назад +1

    247m you say... a certain BBC employee had the number plate JS247 😂

  • @MiseryFarm
    @MiseryFarm Год назад +10

    Absolutely gutted. This was my car music when I had a dead phone battery (about 4 days of the week!). Now it's Spotify when I have charge and old fashioned eye-spy the rest of the time!!

  • @fitzyraz
    @fitzyraz Год назад +3

    Vicars Lot transmitter nearby carries the Pulse 1 FM signal on 102.5fm. The same transmitter tower for pulse 1 FM also transmitted Greatest Hits Radio (formally pulse 2) on 1530MW. This was turned off this January as well.
    The 1530 signal was really strong and is one of the only ILR services available throughout the whole Peak District. The Snake Pass and Woodhead roads (which are major routes) have some black spots, and the only ILR station to come in was 1530. (Unless you put the BBC on)

    • @RingwayManchester
      @RingwayManchester  Год назад +3

      Video on vicars lot coming soon :)

    • @fitzyraz
      @fitzyraz Год назад +1

      @@RingwayManchester nice one, knew you wouldn’t miss the opportunity since you was in the area.
      The drone shots with the 62 in the background will look ace 👌

  • @Povilaz
    @Povilaz Год назад

    Oh no... I used to be able to pick up Absolute Radio _barely_ here in Lithuania. That was a fun listen, I'll miss it...

  • @thes764
    @thes764 Год назад +2

    Used to listen to them over here in Germany at times. Seems they share the fate of all our LW and MW stations now. I wonder if the hobby broadcasters will take over as they did on SW.

  • @wisteela
    @wisteela Год назад +2

    I remember listening to the Virgin Radio test broadcast before they started in 1993.

  • @marklevy7813
    @marklevy7813 Год назад +2

    Surely these transmitters could still be put to good use, otherwise they will become eyesores.

  • @Subarude-zr5qf
    @Subarude-zr5qf Год назад

    Farewell from Lancaster, California USA.

  • @herby4215
    @herby4215 Год назад +1

    End of an era

  • @kilwala2242
    @kilwala2242 Год назад +2

    I used to listen to lots of AM radio in the 90's to 00's. However I haven't listened in years. Podcasts are more tailored to my interests, aren't based on any schedule and they have far fewer ads. In America, talk radio can have 35 minutes of commercials per hour of programming. In other words, it is mostly ads with some program content.

  • @Eeveevolve
    @Eeveevolve Год назад +2

    :( Im just down the road from Moorside Edge. I hope it sticks around as its my weather forecast. If I cant see the airplane warning lamps, bring the washing in.

  • @ukcbtv
    @ukcbtv Год назад +1

    Bit by bit Radio, terrestrial TV and satellite TV will close and go over IP - only hope I can see is for the FM broadcast band which could be utilised for very localised community radio stations.

  • @milolouis
    @milolouis Год назад +9

    Those transmitters have so much value, even if they aren't profitable, this is something our awful government should be funding.

    • @michaelhorne8366
      @michaelhorne8366 Год назад

      Like what?

    • @engineeringvision9507
      @engineeringvision9507 Год назад

      You'll have a new awful government soon.

    • @milolouis
      @milolouis Год назад

      @@michaelhorne8366 Just keep em safe from developers and allow amateur to use it for example but I don't know just keep them up at least.