What Happened? MVCI: A Case Study Of What Not To Do
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Here we see a video of a broken man
And no amount of buffs will be able to fix him.
Why is this true
Would nerfing whats hurting help?
You could use a Mercy Re- oh wait
maybe not buffs... but weakness exploit 3?..... he will be alright lol mvci forever max
I really wanted the X Men in it or hell maybe the fantastic 4 but we didn't get any of them like....wtf Capcom.
How Max feels about Capcom is how every fan should feel about the things they care about: Stern, yet Supportive.
Adrian Duran Same here
Hopefully Capcom will learn from the failures of their recent games, and improve. This whole “game as a platform” business hasn’t been kind to them.
They should stop focusing on this story mode stuff, and just make their games look and run well online with substantial amounts of content at release. Their gameplay is still top notch, but their presentation has to step it up.
>stern, yet supportive
>Nu-GoW
Nah. Not a chance. Such talk is hardly a universally wise one.
They need to take a cue from SNK and do "dream match" style games with no plot and focus on the gameplay and characters. SNK's games tend to be well-balanced and have few issues. The sales' numbers back it up.
Mexican Uppercuts I still believe in the idea of "game as a platform" and always will, it's just that no one seems to understand how it works. Good graphics that rival MvC3's, nice stages, fun gameplay, and a nice diverse roster of let's say 20 and then expand. Of course make it cheap, make a season pass and I believe people would've accepted it.
It started out X-Men vs street fighter. Taking out the X-Men was an insult
I have a feeling that if Sony continued with The Amazing Spider-Man Series, then Disney would suspiciously stop promoting Spider-Man.
Fusion What I'm try to say is that Spider-Man might not appear in Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite if it weren't for Sony and Marvel's MCU deal.
Exactly, I played it because of the X-men
That's because of X-men films being part of FOX (not Marvel-division of Disney). So they ditched X-men because of it, because they didn't want to give FOX spotlight. Thus they went for Avengers aspect. It's an insult for fans, but they had... reasons to remove it. Not necessarily good ones, but reasons.
Actually, X-Men:COTA was the first which makes it even worse😀
The first misstep MvC:I took imo was kicking off Ryota Niitsuma from the producer chair. A guy who was pivotal in the development of games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Street Fighter IV, and Marvel vs Capcom 3. He's responsible for the genius marketing cinematic trailers for MvC 3, the cel-shaded comic book artstyle for TvC and UMvC 3, and the fresh unique character roster in MvC 3. By replacing him they removed one of their strongest asset from the Marvel vs Capcom franchise.
Benny Trinh At least Ono was not involved, he would have fucked the game worst.
Wow I had no idea
How, even?
So that's why the game sucks. I needed an explanation why
I know this is old but why kick him out?
Man it feels like max is giving a eulogy for a lost friend 😢
RandomBlackGamer rest in foot dives...
Yup, rip marvel
RIP Dr.Doom
It's sad man.
RandomBlackGamer It is man
...
What they did right:
+gameplay
What they did wrong:
-Advertising/Promotion
-Music
-Roster/DLC roster picks
-Graphics
-UI design
-Easter Eggs
The music is such a disappointment to such a high degree I couldn't even believe it.
Ayy remember when CaptainAmerica and Winter Solider had a unique lvl 3 animation?
Remember when X and Zero had one too? YEAH, me neither :/
I know its 4 years later but Monster Hunter is easily my favorite character in any fighting game so it has that.
Marvel vs Capcom? Nah, its Disney vs Capcom now
Andrew G well marvel is making the Spider-Man game and there is nothing wrong with it don’t blame “Disney” capcom is the one to blame, they have a dozen of awesome characters and they choose some wack ones
I would play tf out that game if it was real
trust me i would love to beat the crap of that stupid Disney mouse to the death honestly!!! thanls for killing good game franchises and devs too goodbye Factor five or decent star wars complete games thanks to Disney!!!
@@AentikDranikan that was sony
Micky top tier
Marvel is not Marvel without X-Men. I knew the game was going in the wrong direction without X-Men was announced. They failed in so many ways.
Lord Sango so true. Infinite’s not an MvC game without xmens. I’m glad I never wasted a full price for this excusable game, for I can see that it has zero efforts still without xmens.
Yep I knew the same was going to suck
How do you NOT have the X MEN in MvC?!!
@@truearea53 Inexcusable.
Wolverine would be awesome if he was in the game. I could be wrong but I think the reason xmen isn't in the game cause the develepors were focusing on the MCU characters. there might be one or two non mcu characters on the marvel side I could be forgetting something. its been a while since I played MVC: Infinite. Overall it is a fun game apart from the certain parts of the story. the plot was kinda cool just poor dialogue.
This video contains more wolverine than MvCI
blame Fox
Giordan Diodato nah it’s marvel’s fault. They’ve been giving X-Men shit in recent years. They pushed the FF to the side and it was fortunate spidey didn’t get the same treatment
Random Duck Probably because spidy is so popular.
mariotaz don't blame anything else, Just blame Issac Perlmutter(for making even mainstream comic marvel universes other than earth-199999 resembling mcu)
@@GiordanDiodato yes blame me
You know it's real when Max drops a real talk with zero background music. Droppin BARS.
Literally my first thought.
"Wheres the BGM...oh shit..."
Gonna take you for a ride! Dinny dinny ! Dinny duh duh ..gonna take you for a ride dinny duh, duh
If you watch this and the reaction trailer back to back, it's the saddest shit ever.
Maybe this game could just be treated like X Men the Last Stand. Let's just release MVC4 and forget MVCI ever existed, you know like what Days of Future Past did...
Chase XJ yeah let’s really hope the rumors of mvc4 are true. For I just wanna forget that mvci ever existed.
And the Classic Sonic series with re-writing Sonic 4 as Sonic Mania
The second they started to call characters "functions" in a game that banks on fan service, they sealed their fate
Dominick Majors Didn’t help Peter “Combofiend” Rosas was in a pickle so he chose a crappy approach instead of something like “We’ll see what happens as we go forward.”, which wouldn’t have caused a shit show. While some characters can be seen for what they can do, crossover games are about fan service especially.
That was said because the real answer to the question asked was “Marvel isn’t letting us use characters they don’t have the movie rights to” so the person answering had to make up something, so saying “Their gameplay is still there” was probably their best bet
They just could’ve worded it better
Zombie Guy And the big mistake of that is the fact Combofiend could have said something better than that since it made it seem like his answer was meant for the pros and not casual fans.
@@BryonYoungblood Lol dude just See's characters as code in a video game to use.
@@xmarksthespot1372 Which is a damn shame really. You can't last in production for fighting games if you don't think of the characters as characters and only seeing them as code oir functions.
Toy's R Us gone
MVC Game Gone
X-Men Games Gone
Jules Dedoro ok...
My childhood gone
God why?!
dude, you are making me cry...
Goku still here though...
The presentation killed it for me. MVC, and Capcom fighters overall are renowned for their amazing sprite and/or handrawn stuff. Heck, SF4 and 5 even managed to nail a semi-comicy style that would have massively improved MVCI's presentation. Mk and Tekken can pull off the realistic stuff, partially because they are working with material that has always been semi-realistic. Yanking comic characters and characters from notable spritebased franchises and slapping a coat of realism did not work out at all.
The gameplay however is great. Under rated in my opinion.
Oh and the lack of xmen was a big mistake by Disney. That's like pulling Mario from Smash.
Marvel vs Capcom Infinite? More like Marvel vs Capcom Finite, amirite?
Skeith Agreed. I’d say “marble vs crapcom: finite suck balls”
They cared so little they didn’t even number it
“This is a side game”
Rite
More like bore ragnarok
"I lost a lot of faith in the fighting division of Capcom..."
Wow, that must've been hard to swallow for Max. He was a huge fan of Capcom fighting games for years and now, his hopes for Capcom to make great fighting games again have became skeptical. This video made my heart sank; it's been really depressing for him... :(
Whoever gave max death threats should seriously get a life, max is honestly an awesome human being and the fact that people are actually giving death threats because of a video game is honeslty just sad
Jozeph when did that do that and why over this video
Whoever gave max death threats won't really get a life after being arrested
Whoever threatens Max probably got their asses kick online by Max, hence why they are butthurt lol.
Remember when a COD dev got death threats because he tweaked the stats of one single gun?
how is max an awesome human being? does he organize charities or something? he just records himself doing video game related stuff, settle down.
Wish Capcom would remaster Marvel vs Capcom & Marvel vs Capcom 2.
I think it’s first problem was not being called marvel vs capcom 4 like they knew the game could not live up to that name
sleepy if they tried to call it mvc4 it would be even worse, as it is clearly just a half assed mvc3 with less characters and MCU which honestly no one should give a crap about
sleepy cant call a game mvc4 when it has less characters and is lacking in multiple areas compared to mvc3 and they knew that. hense the name “mvci”
sleepy perhaps...
Remember though this is Capcom so they make a bunch of games and then create the next game in the series numerically. Like street fighter. What if they do infinite 2 and 3?
sleepy I agree. When you give a game like that a pretentious name like “Infinite” even though it has less than what we expected, you’re just preparing people to be disappointed.
Taking out Wolverine in Marvel vs. Capcom is like taking out Captain Falcon in Smash Bros.
It doesn't feel right.
Nathan Castro So long bub, "Fatal Claw"
It's really didn't feel like MVC without the X-Men.
ladynikkie To be fair, that's probably Marvels fault, it seems only recently where they are trying to embrace the X characters fully again.
Greg V. Marvel Entertainment's CEO Ike Perlmutter has had a childish feud with Fox for years, which is why the X-Men kept getting sidelined for the Inhumans in the comics and the Fantastic Four was written out until recently (after Disney bought Fox). Claremont even said that, for a time, there was a rule at Marvel against introducing new mutant characters, because they didn't want to give Fox any new material. If MvC ever comes back, hopefully things will be good again.
MvCI just doesn’t bring the same level of hype it’s processors did. Rooms of people exploding in cheers after seeing someone rally a comeback just doesn’t happen with MvCI. I wanted to be excited for this, I really did. Bought UMvC3 for the vita just to scratch the itch. But it’s just not exciting to watch and ultimately not the game we all wanted.
What upsets me the most is that they got rid of the cool comic book aesthetic and how lively the character select screen was and how they all had quotes for each other at the end of their fights.
Ok I agree with you but in Mahvel 3 not everyone had unique dialog at the end of rounds. Just play Phoenix Wright against 90% of the roster to see what I mean.
Exactly, the game has no “soul”.
Frostfang. INC yeah. Everything about Marvel 3 oozed character. I enjoy the gameplay mechanics here more, but there was something special about 3.
Problem is UE4 dont come with good cell shading code, yes you got Arc System Works but they actully needed to extend the engine to achive what they got and Capcom didnt want to sped time on it. 2nd potential factor is Marvel picked this perticilar style as they wanted to promoted movies, i would not be suppriced that they stright up said to Capcom, make us Injustice for Marvel.
*DBZ Fighters. . slightly help put a nail in a coffin also*
Lord Beliel plus injustice made the coffin.
Lord Beliel Actually, MK XL killed them, I2 made the Coffin, FighterZ Sealed it, Smash 4 hammered the Nails in.
I wouldn't say it slightly helped put a nail in the coffin and more so just drilled the fucking coffin shut.
No one going to talk about BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle? Okay... :( .
@@whisperhawkmoonspecialist9203
BlazblueCrossTag helped in digging the grave.
They added more MCU characters and got rid of the X-Men
Huge mistake
Not necessarily, MCU characters themeselves were not the problem, the problem was their response to why things were the way they were. Saying we didn't like characters for the character is stupid and they shouldn't have gone with that approach.
Mark Thomas Kiec The Xmen and fantastic four were also absent from Lego marvel superheroes 2. Both games came out the same year...hmm
This was the fault of Marvel because they’re the ones that refuse to let Capcom put the X-Men characters in the game
@@markthomaskiec2453 Although this wasn’t the best approach it was probably the only approach they could’ve done in order to both respond to the overwhelming hate of the lackluster roster and to avoid any beef from Marvel and Disney
@@joshuarivera6930 I probably agree on that front, but it was still lackluster.
- Lack of content
- Smaller roster than the previous game
- Embarrassing, cringe inducing story mode
- Ugly as shit
- Questionable character choices
- Banking on DLC to provide the game the roster it needs
- Shafting major fan favorite characters over petty corporate decisions
- Making characters they know everyone wants as DLC immediately
- Lack of excitement or support from the developers making the game
Yeah it's no wonder this game flopped. No game could have survived this.
thevoid23 you forgot dragon ball fighter z.... the release of that game was the nail in the coffin...
belly competition is also another factor but seriously. Even if dbfz didn't exist this game still killed itself...
thevoid23 DESTINY at release
smaller roster, but it is a 2 v 2 instead of a 3 v 3, i think that particular problem is on the fans, not on marvel and capcom, also the "ugly as shit" to a certain extend, but the other points? yeah the blame is on both companies
belly Honestly had infinite not been terrible both of these games would have coexisted. The blame is largely on capcom and Disney.
I was so excited to get into this game and when it came out it was like a bundle of gross meat just fell outta the sky into my hands.
I dropped it in the hopes it'd stand back up as a better game.
Lythero I feel you, lee.
We've got cucked by Capcom again.
At least we have FighterZ.
man, I was there hoping Joe and Phoenix would come back the whole time. Gross meat describes how I felt about the whole situation
Bring back ranked ramblings please
Lythero Would Joe and Phoenix Wright even make it redeemable?
Hello Lee
I really love retrospectives/postmortems like this. They're important for understanding the industry and looks at specific niches from experts within those niches is fascinating. MvC is a really important franchise in the history of fighting games.
Thank you for bringing up the issues Capcom had as a company leading up to the release of MvCI. As a group, people generally have a short memory. Personally, I considered the release of SFV one of the most insulting things a company could do to their audience and had no intention of giving them money for MvCI. That said, I was still very interested to see what the game was like outside of the easily observable nonsense (graphics, story, writing, etc.).
Hearing about how your feelings for the game put you between a rock and a hard place was really interesting. Yours were my favorite gameplay videos for MvCI, because it was easy to see how much you enjoyed the actual mechanics. For all their faults, at the end of the day Capcom makes fighting games. It must have been truly demoralizing coming to the realization that MvCI content would just not be worth it. Your willingness to put out as much as you did and not just pander to their mob mentality -- on either side -- is commendable and I hope you ultimately are happy with what you did release.
I hope you have plans to do more videos like this one. Getting to see your opinions about games and companies in the context of where they fit into the history of the industry is fascinating.
This is why presentation in a game is important. Certain characters and the artwork for those characters was just really bad. Reused character frames from MVC3. There wasn't a lot of ingenuity put into this. Seemed more like a quick cashgrab game to me.
Hey Max, its not your fault dood.
Vector Freeze5 Of course not. But some of his fans were kinda dicks about him liking some things about Infinite as well as investing time on that over FighterZ or other good games.
Thing is people love choosing sides. It's either all good or all bad to some people.
So when something has glaring problems, but there are also very good elements in it. Haters will bash everything, fanboys will love everything. I wonder why people love creating sides where it doesn't belong.
MVCI had very good game play, but mediocre story, visuals and incomplete roster. You can't just bash the gameplay because you don't like the story mode(which is only important in a fighting game, if that fighting game is either BlazBlue or Guilty Gear) or the visuals. The story can't be fixed but the Visuals and Roster could be improved given time. WHen you hate on everything you don't alow for that to happen. Same as when you midlessly defend everything.
@Tomek FM, I'm sorry but it's you here who have been blinded by negativity. Max clearly pointed out all the problems in the game that needed to be fixed. But you can't simply discredit the gameplay when it was the one thing that was well done. Simply giving up and bashing the game will not fix anything.
Pointing out the problems while highlighting the merits can make you heard. But companies work with numbers, they will never listen to the voice of only one player.
When everyone is pretty much like you and simply give up, your voices will drown out Max sole voice, and the company will just follow suit and give up on the game just like you guys did.
It would be different if he was one of the blind fanboys who just praise the company for whatever they make, but he is not. People need to fix this Bad Habit of not giving anything a second chance.
Voice of ONE and ONLY player?!
EVERYONE was saying to Capcom that graphics look balls, character designes are awful (Chun Li still looks ugly, Dante has drug problems) etc.
While Capcom had no control over Marvel side they still had control over their side. Arthur? Frank?! SPENCER?!!
Spencer was nice touch in 2010 but NOT in 2017... -_-
Music sounds horrendous, chracters in fight seem to have no personality at all... i could continue and continue.
Game was made with no love and real effort put into it. Sure gameplay ended up good but it's not enough.
I reaaaally suggest you read my comment again. Just saying
Edit:
"EVERYONE was saying to Capcom that graphics look balls, character designes are awful (Chun Li still looks ugly, Dante has drug problems) etc. While Capcom had no control over Marvel side they still had control over their side. Arthur? Frank?! SPENCER?!! Spencer was nice touch in 2010 but NOT in 2017... -_- Music sounds horrendous, chracters in fight seem to have no personality at all... i could continue and continue. Game was made with no love and real effort put into it. Sure gameplay ended up good but it's not enough."
Ok, listen here pal. Do you know who else complained about the problems in the game?
Every country in the world and their dog, the gods and their loyal servants, devil and his demons, and all the aliens in the universe, pretty much everyone.
You may think it's a smart choice that you're telling the company how they need to change their games. But what you and everyone who bashes those who actually show the good side of the game are doing... You're pretty much saying this, "I don't like this crap game, and you should stop doing this crap".
What you don't say is that the gameplay is good and that the series could be better, because you're being so obnoxious in wanting to tell Capcom off on their mistakes that you forget to tell them you like the series and that it still has a chance.
THAT is the reason why people keep saying that the gameplay is good. It doesn't matter if it's the one good thing, it doesn't matter if it isn't enough, If all you do is only bash the game while glossing over the good aspcts just because they are not enough, all you'll ever get is to kill the franchise. That's it.
If the game has merits you have to point them out, don't think is okay to only tell people off and wash your hands of the results.
Never apologize for telling the truth Max
Sky79 I hear that! You can tell he is really being honest as a fan who wants MVC to do awesome and it’s a real shame some of the big flaws of MVC:I hurt him deep down as well as many others.
What happened?
@@ermcie MVCI sucked.
Getting rid of the X-Men didn't help at all. Lots of fans get pretty bothered when their series staples aren't there and ditching the property that got this series of games made at all was pretty shitty in my eyes. I still haven't picked it up even though I usually support things with Darkstalkers in them cus I want to see a revival of that but I just couldn't. Especially, saying that people only care about functions was insanely stupid and didn't help an already rocky situation. Capcom has just lost too much of my goodwill. I rotate a bunch of fighting games whenever I get in the mood to play one and there isn't a single Capcom one in there. That's sad to me...
Blame Disney for that
Or the current Marvel CEO at the time who hated fox owned characters
MVCI is like a straight to video sequel of a famous movie.
It's Disney, what did you expect
Damn a sad sounding max makes me feel terrible
Tyree Hardy ikr
The thing that pissed me off the most about this whole thing was how so many of the people who call themselves "fans" of Max were flat-out attacking him for DARING to enjoy the game. Apparently he's not allowed to like what they don't like; they just want him to be a "hype agent" for their preferred franchises to make them more popular, and wanted Max to rag on this game as hard as they did, to "bury" it faster- and when he didn't, they turned on him.
Well, you lot, here you see what you did to him. You're not his fans- in fact, he'd very likely be better off without you.
The Rogue Wolf Preach!!!
In fairness, there's a difference between Max liking the game and Max flooding his channel with videos showcasing the game. People never attacked him for liking the game, they attacked him for giving positive exposure to such a divisive game. I never personally attacked him, but I did unsubscribe because I was tired of seeing Marvel videos.
Roll Caskett oh no! Trying to be positive about a poorly done game in a franchise he loves! How dare Max!
The Rogue Wolf
just because ur a fan doesnt mean ur a drone, i like max's stuff but whenever he plays call of garbage im leaving a nice message (expressing how garbage that game is) then i just go watch something else
tolon tolon Call of Duty is actually a pretty good shooter though. Not the best, but nothing wrong with liking it.
What’s Marvel Vs Capcom with NO X-Men?! X-Men COTA started it all!
Hot take: Capcom should take the MvC formula and cut Marvel out of the equation in favor of a traditional fighter's equivalent of Super Smash Bros, but with capcom characters
Nintendo and SNK know how to do it, you don’t need other companies to make crossovers, screw marvel.
They released a little game called Capcom fighting all-stars in 2004 that did exactly that.
However it was terrible and bombed financially and critically, scaring Capcom away from that idea ever since
I’d would like for Capcom to make a sequel to Marvel Super Heroes and a sequel to All Stars but that’s probably a pipe dream at this point.
No fan service, that's what happened.
Everyone was so hyped for this game. Everyone was excited to see returning characters like Doom and Wolverine, and the hopeful new ones like Leon Kennedy, Asura, Nero, Punisher, Daredevil, Carnage, etc.
We didn't get what we wanted man. The game died upon arrival.
I think what we need is a proper Marvel vs Capcom entry. A game being complete with a roster beyond Marvel v Capcom 2.
No DLC bullshit. If Capcom can release a game like Monster Hunter World that has amazing graphics, smooth gameplay, and complete, then they can easily deliver an amazing fighting game.
They need to get better people in the fighting game department, Marvel included too.
On both ends.
Unfortunately Marvel also had a huge hand in fucking this game up big time. Taking out the Mutants was probably the biggest mistake.
I completely agree with your opinion Max.
The game had some good properties, but man, there were a lot of negatives.
If they continue to do the franchise, they need to step it up and need to start caring about the fans. When they do that, they'd be surprised on how much money they'd actually make. They'd make a lot more if they put more effort into it if that's what they're worried about.
LOL Capcom learn from Paramount
And a lot of the PR and such didn't help since Capcom knew they couldn't throw Marvel under the bus with some decisions like the lack of several characters such as the X-Men and Fantastic Four rosters due to Disney's pissing contest with Fox and Sony at the time as well as the push of the MCU elements just because of how Disney and Marvel couldn't stop just sucking their own dicks about the MCU's success. And while MVCI plays well, it just falls apart in a lot of areas like you said with fan service as well as art direction, some of the music tracks, etc.
His smile and optimism. Gone
HumbleDegenerate LMAO
hey, blame marvel AND capcom for that. marvel for purposely excluding meaningful legacy characters just to promote their mcu universe while capcom basically did everything
No X-Men No MvC success, plain and simple T_T
Blame Disney
Yeah. Without xmens and a good roster, no buy, NEVER.
Marvel vs Capcom was my childhood, and the concept is just so raw and insane. The idea of mixing different universes of characters just sounds amazing to me, and it's really sad to see Infinite sink like this. The timelessness of UMvC3 is just so powerful.
I am sad that MvCI is dead but in reality, both Capcom and Marvel are to blame. Marvel especially since they want to make it an advertisement for the Marvel Cinematic Universe and not adding characters that people really want. And Capcom for not putting any effort in the presentation. The gameplay is good but just everything else isn't.
Oh and to anyone who's sending death threats to Max, you really need to wake up and rethink your life choices.
I agree. People shouldn't sent death threats to a person just because he pointed out the flaws of the game.
Well Disney did try to destroy all mutants and fantastic four in everything. Since they wanted to own them. Hence why not one of them allowed in this game. I put more blame on capcom. There track record over the years have been shit. Everyone loved the new Resident Evil. And just looked over everything.
MegamanNG this is be clearly the climax of this stupid power struggle stupid power play
I notice, all marvel characters exoect for captain marvel and gomura, models look bad, some capcom models look better.
michael osorio-medrano seems like capcom only care about resident evil, the rest they make is shitl
That whole "functions" and "No one knows who the X-Men even are" bullshit really hurt this game
Capcom threw Combofiend under the bus by forcing him to say that stupidity.
No one knows Logan? The star of the greatest Marvel Movie if not Superhero movie of all time? Or Deadpool? Yeah, me neither....
Call555JackChop, exactly! Even I knew it was bullshit the moment I read those comments. You'd have to be living in a hole to not know who Wolverine or Deadpool was and they had them in last game for crying out loud
X-Men were the roots of MvC. Hopefully they bring them back in future installment.
What killed it for me no mutants!
I hear the hurt in his voice
DJJohnWong yeah man, that sucks ._.
Agreed. Watching him and hearing him makes me sad.
Indeed
Can you blame him tho? Dude was super hype for this game as we all were and was let down tremendously.
DJJohnWong So am I. There's a huge Marvel sized hole in my heart that can't possibly be replaced
Been bugging me the last several weeks that mvci kind of stopped dead after the initial dlc drop. I was waiting to get back into once more characters were added and suddenly it occurred to me there hasn’t been anything announced for the game in ages
Liam Cronin They need to do a few updates like balance changes, maybe upgrade graphics, put on that sick motion blur, give a Japanese voice option and MvC3 music option, etc. People will stop saying it's dead if they start doing announcements on it again.
Very heartfelt and even though I'm not as close to fighting games as I once was, hearing passion about something someone loves is always amazing to hear. Art truly does die when the creator stops caring who it reaches in favor of reaching more.
Classic Mega Man has been in more Smash games than MVC games. Let that sink in.
It’s the same
We just need a real Marvel vs capcom 4
You Speak the Truth, Please don;t give up on the franchise capcom please learn from this mistake and give us the good stuff, like you did with umvc3
no we don't. let it die and stay dead.
Man that just crazy.
Boy, that's just crazy.
Gem Merchant nah never kill off originators we’ll see it again in 7-10yrs
Tbh years ago I thought Max was just some capcom shill mainstream dude who didn’t take other less popular fighting games seriously, but eventually realized this was just a guy who was very passionate about many fighting games and was doing a lot for the fgc. Man to see you talk about how your favorite franchise has now kinda died and was disappointing is really painful. Your thing about how criticizing it made marvel fans hate you and how loving the gameplay made other people think you were bought out, that must have been a hard place to be man but I totally get where you’re coming from. Good news tho is that some other fighting games are still thriving now so the FGC is still very much alive and capcom still has a chance to break back in stronger than ever. This was a heartbreaking video, I’ve just been with the mvci hate bandwagon before this I’ve gotta admit, but to see it from the perspective of a dedicated fan such as you was really heartbreaking. But if I see you streaming mvci or whatever, I personally will definitely watch idc that it’s mvci
Just let MvCI rot. But Hope for MvC4.
Holyspecter but this was MvC4
Looks like an I to me
Holyspecter if MvC4 happens, then they better extend roster with lots newcomers and bring back xmens.
@@truearea53 assuming they'll get the X-Men liscene back
ᴍᴀsᴛᴇʀ ̖́- - ̗̀ᴘᴇʀғᴇᴄᴛ ik that Disney bought FOX which FOX owns part of X-men. But I think that’s it for the dlc department for mvci, for it probably didn’t make the cut.
Marvel vs Capcom 2> Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite
MvC2 is hella unbalanced...
But I would still play that over this
Hyper........ Viper Beam!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Captain Mega how is it unbalanced?
@@dylanoudomsivilay652One word: Sentinel.
I hate that MVCI had to fail, it sucks to see a great series hit a block in the road when it could have been phenomenal
Flaco Xavier If they listen to the fans of the characters it would of succeeded but no.
keynan martinez but you see getting the rights to characters cost
*money*
And capcom is lacking in that what they were doin mahvel
carlos conde what? that was not the problem at all
The potential of the game is the thing that hurt me the most...even before launch
There is an article that Disney didn't like that the IPs that they could offer couldn't stand up to.. Well be on equal ground eh fighting wise to capcom IPS all I took from it was waaaaa😭😭 we cannot complete so we have to rig the game. Well so they raged quit.
It hurts to hear you received death threats over this video. You are truly a fan, with an opinion. How dare anyone threaten your life over this. Max you are an amazing person, and you have done nothing wrong. Please stay safe, keep having fun dood!
Probably basement mama boys who are hurt by Max's words
Sad indeed. Dragon Ball is an excellent Marvel replacement. They probably think that Max's opinions carry enough weight to be another nail in MVCI's coffin, so theyre looking for a singular person to pass blame on since they have to leave their Capcom comfort zone. They should blame themselves for having that fixation on MvC and just move on to other better made FGs.
There have been death threats over less things. Not surprised in the least.
They’re probably still angry and salty about Max’s so called “racist” comment. People will just find anything to point fingers to. It’s pathetic.
Y'all act as if death threats are something to take seriously on this RUclips channel of all channels.
MvC2 is still a fav as well as Capcom vs SNK2. I hope we can get another vs game.
Xavier Cervantes Yeah! Like mvc4 w/xmens and a bunch newcomers. Or CvS3
3 years later and there is still no Marvel in sight ;(
:(
But it seems there might be SNK coming.
No music, no light/humourous dialogue, no hype... Yikes. It really does feel like someone (Infinite) died and there's a eulogy here.
If you send death threats to someone for liking or saying nice things about a video game that you hate, you need to rethink everything that you're doing. In fact, you probably need to stay away from video games period, at least for a while, because there's a such thing as getting way too zealous over something. Seriously, we're supposed to be better than this. Yes, video games are a wonderful art form that is and should be greatly appreciated, but that's no excuse for threatening someone's life. There are reasons why a few too many people see this community as toxic and unwelcoming, and this is one of them.
Grow up and have some respect. It's a video game, for crying out loud.
It's not that they're too zealous, but that this intensity is in a negative direction. Imagine what someone with enormous zeal could do constructively and creatively.
Probably clickbait, I don`t watch Max and here I am watching this video right now.
Some people shouldn’t have to state what they think on the internet when all they have to say is death threats to Max or the devs over at Capcom or both! Everyone deserves the right to speak freely about someone or have an opinion but there’s a fine difference between expressing your distaste for a person/company/product/anything and acting so mentally ill and completely delerious that you would kill someone because they liked a game you didn’t. If Max’s appreciation for Capcom games did make Capcom continue to churn out their games even worse than they do now, it’d be Capcom to blame for finding it reasonable to push the goalpost further in annoying their consumers over hearing the criticisms and responding to those accordingly
yeeeah, it`s impossible that I`m here cause someone else shared this video on FB, right? ... specially on a fighting game fb page that has nothing to do with Max but it has something to do with fighting games in general.
It's Oct 2020 and I still love MVC3 I plan to play it on my xbox series x
The Injustice 2 story played a huge factor, and Injustice 2 in general. That game had so much content, and the story was amazing. It created a ceiling that MvC:I was never going to be able to beat even if the gameplay for MvC:i was superior.
Didn't expect a video like this would give people reason to send death threats.
Neither did I dude, like wtf?
Ikr like who was doing it. I just, I just want to talk to them *PERSONALLY*.
They're Just a bunch of sick fucks with nothing better to do.
people be cray.
Where do you even see that?
WHAAAAAAA HAPPUN?!
I think the biggest problem with MVCI is that it never felt like its own entity but rather as a promotional tool for more "important" projects like the MCU films and Monster Hunter...
Michael Scally And still, they failed miserably at creating hype for both Monster Hunter and Black Panther. Making them DLC was a stupid move, they should have been free, or released after the success of both MHW and the Black Panther movie.
I'm crying this hurts me that everyone has their favorite game with a bright future and I'm stuck with a masterpiece in game play and then nothing it hurts me so much seeing my favorite franchises in my favorite game not get the love and respect it deserves ignoring the fan favorite characters not putting weird and wild crazy new characters I feel personally betrayed
Starlord 55 I am sorry for your loss, RIP MVC
I first played this game a few weeks ago casually with my brother-in-law who’s a lot younger than me and just fell in love with the characters and the story (especially with the infinity stones and their relevance) and I wanted to learn more about the meta and competitive scene. That’s how I found your channel. It’s a bummer to hear how it has a lot of disappointing aspects, but I’ll definitely enjoy any MvCI content you put out. Also, I couldn’t seem to find an MvCI playlist to binge lol, it would be great to see one of those on your channel.
It's disturbing that people are unable to accept an opinion unless it's either an absolute "I love this game," or "I hate this game," and nothing in the middle. If any of you are out there sending death threats to people who have a different opinion than yours about a video game, grow up, seriously.
yeah, of all the people that gives opinions that I watch here.Max is one of the most genuine.
Finally an adult in the room.
Where did death threats come from?
Nuance is dead
You are only half right. Game opinions have become an overly positive circle jerk for years now.
Anything negative has become evil in the minds of loser nerds who tie their Identity to fictional entertainment.
Things are so bad that people stopped making mods for it. I want to hope for the best, but I can't with this game. It's really sad tbh.
Rydian Do you know hownlong ago I wrote this comment? This was before people got back to making mods.
Benjamin Stark Two months isn't a very long time.
@@benjaminstark7436kinda crazy that people are still modding mvc3 over infinite
It didn't make EVO so capcom said fk it.
Viral Sigma Shit, they rushed it for EVO as well! I forgot about that.
Its the other way around: they said 'fuck it' and thats why it didnt make to EVO.
Marvel vs capcom 2 still better wtf
Removing 3 on 3, cel shading and the X-Men was the biggest mistake Capcom did which caused MvC infinite to flop. And boy did it flop hard.
I don’t want to blame Fighterz because it didn’t do anything wrong. It was just a better game in almost every way that it kinda shut MvCI down.
Ze-TopHat-Gamer it killed mvci it really did
Simple Thoughts no FighterZ has problems too it didn’t kill Infinite, Infinite killed itself
Dessaw What problems lol? I guess the story mode is not amazing?
Dessaw agreed infinite killed it self, but figthterz definitely rose into the gap mvci created
InVader crops up super dash being one and the horrible assist system and much more. MvCI is a better fighting game mechanically but, it’s horrible presentation and even more boring roster killed it
Kenshiro seeing MvCI for the first time: *You're already dead*
Nathaniel DarDar capcom: *WHAT?!?!?*
Marvel: *NAANNI?!?*
And that really was the problem:the fanbase (and a lot of people OUTSIDE the fanbase) decided it was dead long before they gave it any chance.
>No X-Men
>The majority of the MvC 3 roster cut
>No 3v3, the core mode of every MvC.
>Shit graphics
>ON DISK DLC
Yeah, this game was doomed from the start. The roster can be blamed on Disney somewhat, but the graphics and gameplay is all Capcom. I think another reason why people were turned off from MvCi was after the disaster of Street Fighter V, and the previous crossover Street Fighter x Tekken
Excuse me weeaboo, but most MvC games had 2v2. The gameplay in Infinite is also objectively the best in the series
Tsjanith LOL 😂 Says you about the stupid mvci
DrScaphandre I agree that MVci is doomed. And about the street fighter cross tekken and Street fighter five, those games ain’t that bad
I think the state of Marvel itself was somewhat to blame. Putting in characters which were appearing in movies at the time instead of sticking to staple characters was a bad move. The lack of any X-Men characters was also not good.
Can't believe this game didn't even get Akuma...what the hell man. Now every article/video about MVCI looks like an obituary
Patricio Borquez so basically most of the characters are dead
Patricio Borquez
I have been asking myself the same thing about akuma, he could have played a good part in the story.
I guess he didn't have time in his schedule to be in both Tekken 7 and MvCI.
You also forgot to mention how Dragon ball fighterz which was being showcased around the same time was showing just how polished it was when all the negativity was hitting infinite.
MrQuarantine I don't think he wanted to compare it to other games. Rather just focus on the games own issues.
MrQuarantine I’m gonna actually say fighterz legit killed MVCI. What’re you gonna play- a new, unique, amazing looking 3v3 fighting game with simple mechanics but a lot of depth, or a lazy, old, *ugly* looking 2v2 with a lot of simple mechanics and a lot of decent depth?
Chances are, you’ll pick the former just because it looked that damn good.
Ty Lewis That's fair, but competition is an important aspect when considering a games success. When one game is clearly superior to another the flaws in the lesser is more showcased. Battleborn and Overwatch is a prime example of this.
MrQuarantine People give FigtherZ a pass because it's not from an older series and because it's DBZ. I hate to see favoritism used to hurt other games.
MrQuarantine well its just that its such an obvious thing and that if he did say that then he could cause problems between the dbz and the mvc fan base.
The only good thing about this game is jedah dohma
lord beast and Zero
no love for mega man x though?
keyblader2k6 him too
Aspiring Creator For no more that 20$ no doubt
Aspiring Creator nah
Assist Me is the reason I started watching your channel. It’s a true bummer that MVCI screwed the pooch so bad because I think you are a genuinely talented and fun content creator. I particularly loved your Dante Assist Me and hope that something like it can happen again in the future.
Stick to your opinions. You're allowed to have them.
Ya Boi Guzma Are you though?
just like you
Thank you. How do I double like this comment?
Were people honestly sending Max death threats for this video? Damn it, guys...
Seriously, I guess people can’t have a critical opinion on things in life.
waaaa waaa lol
266 dislikes LOL who the fuck would send death threats because a game is bad??? Capcom maybe they got butthurt?
Fangs Claws. As funny as that would be... large companies actually don't care about youtube beyond statistics. The most capcom would do is disable the Like/dislike bar if it was too unfavorable for them.
People are why we can't have nice things.
Marvel vs capcom 2 will always hold a place in my heart
PREEEAAAAACCCHHHH PREEEEAAACHHHHHH! I love MVC series it holds a special place in my heart and I really hope it's not gone forever
You know....If you really think about it, Capcom is just a function. They're just doing things.
CoviellotheScrub lol
CoviellotheScrub literally
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
Nobody will mind if I swap out my handy-dandy MvCI for Skullgirls I guess.
If you don't listen to the community you have failed as a game developer
ichigo kurosaki not always because sometimes the fans don't know what they want at all.
Al Speid yea but this is mvc
Xaimchel Wons that doesn't change my previous statement.
Not always
ichigo kurosaki of you listen to them too much you have also failed because your game will become a jumbled mess its all about balance
Basically, corporate greed and pettiness took away amazing potential
watching max lament over mvci only makes me sadder about this whole thing, like it's been 2 years and i'm still thinking about it. god. it's gotta be one of the worst wastes of potential in recent video game history.
Don't let em get you down Max, being genuine is your best quality.
Preach
Edward makes an excellent point.
I'm still trying to figure out WHY Max is getting death threats over a VERY TRUE critical analysis of MVCI? This game was NOT at it's full potential at all!
Just read the comments.
Lawrence Gilmer because their are idiots and man children out there that think someone else cannot have a opinion that differs from theirs. they hate the game flat out and anything even slighly positive about they cannot take. max has been speaking nothing but facts about this game especially if you go back and watch real talk episodes about it. the truth hurts
Ryan Stewart Then why not send death threats to all DBFZ fans for supporting a game that is far from perfect or BBCTB fans for being shills as well?
You know the old saying: "What goes around, comes around"
Ryan Stewart He's not a shill. He's spoken about all of the problems with the game but thoroughly enjoys the gameplay and playing as characters like X, Sigma, Strider, Dante, Jedah, Monster Hunter and Venom. A shill would say that the game has no problems and completely ignore all of the issues in the game like Iron Avenger does.
People don't know what criticism means these days?
12year old mentality?
Blind anger?
Lots of reasons, just wish it didn't have to be this way...
Simple answer: Marvel used this game to push for their MCU agenda. They simply thought: “we have done so good building up our MCU without X-men or capcom, why should we care about this little game. We can do what we want and we’ll be just fine ...”
Reality: MCU has done great but that’s the cinematic side of things, games are on their own category and Disney has complete disrespected the MVC franchise .... they got arrogant ...
But I guess you can’t blame them... MVC3 puts the spotlight on Deadpool and almost instantaneously 20th century capitalizes on it by making his spin off movies...
But now that Disney owns the X-men I’m sure they’ll be working on the ultimate MVC game ....
Your comment like a lot of others completely ignore the fact that Disney at the time didn't own the rights to the "Mutants". Sony did, while you're not wrong in that Disney and marvel were more concerned with the pushing the movies through the game. They COULD NOT use the mutants. It wasn't greed that kept mutants out of the movies or the game. They literally couldn't use them due to legality.
But, there is a silver lining here. Disney does own the right to all of marvels properties, and the MVC fanbase is as strong as ever. At the very least we could see a patch for MVCI in the future, and that's something to strive toward.
@@FlockofSmeagles They probably could, what Fox had were movie rights for X-Men and Fantastic 4 and they were present in MVC 3.
Not to mention Hulk is still kinda co owned by Universal, that's why they can't have a solo Hulk film.
You gotta be smoking some stuff if you thing the reason Deadpool was made was because of the popularity he gained from MVC3 which was pretty god damn minuscule. They had wanted to do Deadpool shit since x men origins
@@coreytrevor1920 You can't ignore the impact MVC3 had on introducing gamers to deadpool, though.
Capcom hasn't made a good fighting game since SF4.
RudeOfTheTurks SF 4 was absolute trash. 5 right now is worlds better.
Good joke.
Capcom is Never gonna top street fighter 4 at this point way to greedy with insanely small rosters the lack of characters and arcade mode in sf5 on launch killed it for me
Sf4...good...
RudeOfTheTurks agreed
You're a really good speaker. Zero cuts in an 18 minute video. Impressive.
Still no Reviewbrah level.
there was one cut towards the end, but yes i like max as well, lol.
ZoddGuts he wasn’t reviewing it brah
ZoddGuts Comparing Max to a God is totally unfair.
@@paladindarc wooosh
Seeing Max sad really sucks
Feels bad, man.
It's a video game. I think he'll live.
The Symbol of Peace yeah but this is also his career that he has dedicated his life to. It's a little more than "just a video game" to him and probably many others. Show some empathy man!
TehSiets I played all of these versus games too. Even bought Infinite day one at full price but I just went back to UMvC 3. Life goes on.
The Symbol of Peace its his passion he plays these type of games as we all did growing up. Its literally seeing this awe inspiring bird slowly dying and leaving you :( i remember seeing MvC1 in the arcade seeing VENOM :)
I just sold my copy of MVCI today and it was sad for me because i remember when this game was first announced i was super hype but sadly this game didn’t live up to the hype because developers refuse to listen to the fans and fix they’re issues
BlackPuma same here. I was hyped during the first announcement. But then my excitement just died too fast because the roster looks the same as the 3rd one without the beloved franchise xmens. And the DLCs just made it worst.
Rest in peace Marvel Vs Capcom series there is No X-men No Fantastic Four No Deadpool and No X-23 that all gone.
Khalid Ibrahim Yes ty! I’m super angry and sad that they removed xmens, even X-23! Although wolverine is my fav but I prefer 23 more.
Oh thank you so much I love Marvel Vs. Capcom series fan we tougher my bands!
THIS is what the death threats were about?
you were incredibly fair to this game , would even say that you went too easy on the game .
That one guy Everyone keeps saying this shit but where is the proof?
Instantkill he said on his Twitter that he had to delay his stream due to death threats
Latch Darkinger That sucks. I don't have Twitter so I don't know.
Just want to take this time to comment how big of a fan I am of this Channel honestly Maximilian thank you for existing , I once suffered from anxiety and the only time I was able to take my mind out of the anxiety was from watching your videos Maximilian thank you and I hope you keep up your channel I don’t have words to explain how much this channel has helped me get through rough times , helping me get certain things out of my mind while watching your awesome videos max ! I’m a big fan !
I think Capcom not adding any X-Men really hurt this game.
Yep lack of roster the price tag the graphics the animations I mean dude Morgan looks horrible Captain America looks horrible some of the voice acting what the hell
I started with 3 original maining zero(hadageki) with amaterasu(bloom) and trish(trick peekaboo) and carried them to ulti too, so I wanted mvci and missed all of the controversy, going with zero and x, its a shame to see this game in the state its in when it plays so well, this is the best playing of zero in a capcom fighting game yet, hell ryuenjin has combos off it now he just feels so clean and actually feels rather fair for once
When X-men wasn't part of MVCI....That was basically it for the game...Nobody cared about it....That was the deal breaker.
WatchtowerbaseHQ The Art style and excluding the X-men killed it indeed.
What part of marvel did not have the rights to the xmen do people not understand? Everyone says it's marvels fault for refusing to put them no dummies blame fox or Disney take your pick.
Marvel got the rights back recently if I remember correctly.
Dumbass, Marvel only didn't have the movie rights to X-Men. Otherwise, how did MvC3 have X-Men characters?
mma4ever Even more bullshit is the fact that this game was more focused on the MCU for the roster (Venom being an exception) which leaves out X Men and F4 characters. But then you have the mobile games produced by Marvel games (who also helped with this) that DO have X Men.
NeptuneLow I'd say the fact that almost 90% of the roster was from umvc3 was a deal breaker for most on top of the exclusion of the xmen
The biggest slap in the face was MVCI ignoring the X-men in favor of more MCU characters, which is kinda blasphemous. Without X-men, there wouldn't have been MVC. either the developers didn't see that, or ther were shome shady licencing issues from FOX last year before Disney swooped in. Whatever the case, this ruined it for many.
FOX only owns the movie license, so Capcom could have put the X-men into the game. It was Marvel that told them to not include them.
Disney aka the new Marvel didn't want anyone else making money off of "their" characters. -_-
More presciasly Perlmutter.
Disney was trying to destroy anything mutants. Hence their big push for Inhumans.
I know a lot of people blame Capcom for this, but I really think it is on the Marvel side. They were trying to ice the XMen and Fantastic Four to force Fox to drop the movie rights. It sucks, but there isn't much Capcom can probably do about it.
I would like my 60$ back in full please
ConquerorAbey same rip
Max, you are my favorite fighting game youtuber. You've got fans like me all over the place so don't let the handful of people that have nothing better to do, bring you down. I personally dislike MvCi as a whole, and as fun as it looks, I can't support that kind of game. Despite that, I totally understand how you enjoy the gameplay and it's still fun watching you play it. Keep making great videos, Dood.