Abandoned SpaceX Rocket Designs - Falcon 1e, 5, 9S5, 9S9 & Air

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @garret1930
    @garret1930 4 года назад +144

    At roughly 8.5 minutes long and a total of 56 utterances of falcon, Scott's Falcon's per minute (FPM) in this video averaged at 6.65

  • @deanspanos8210
    @deanspanos8210 4 года назад +845

    “We need to name it after something great.”
    “How about the most famous Star Wars ship?”
    “Right. We now name it the royal Naboo cruiser.”
    “.....Kyle, you’re fired.”

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 4 года назад +28

      disney has entered the chat...

    • @CapnSlipp
      @CapnSlipp 4 года назад +42

      “No, no, I meant we call it the Star Destroyer Booster!”
      “… You're still fired.”

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran 4 года назад +65

      Elon: *Rejects 'Royal Naboo cruiser'*
      Also Elon: *Blatantly rips off the Naboo chrome-covered aesthetic for his own Starship*

    • @marktheshark8320
      @marktheshark8320 4 года назад +47

      @@InventorZahran We need to make calling the Starship the "Royal Naboo Cruiser" a thing.

    • @jimmyshrimbe9361
      @jimmyshrimbe9361 4 года назад

      Lets see some ID nope.

  • @beak1291
    @beak1291 4 года назад +73

    Your ability to put out such detailed videos so frequently and effortlessly is amazing. I thoroughly appreciate your channel. Kudos.

  • @CuriousMarc
    @CuriousMarc 4 года назад +65

    I find this kind of evolution fascinating. The good startups are the ones that adapt their vision and products to engineering and market reality continuously, and very quickly. By the way that constant product evolution makes engineering very uncomfortable usually, as you have to adapt projects all the time - and investors don’t like it either. But the stubborn ones stuck on the original vision and product, usually coupled with very loud marketing claims, almost never make it.

    • @AliothAncalagon
      @AliothAncalagon 4 года назад +5

      I guess there is a compromise that needs to be found.
      You need to be able to let something go if you have a better alternative.
      But if your concept is great you need the balls to stick to it.

    • @Mrcaffinebean
      @Mrcaffinebean 4 года назад

      Alioth Ancalagon this is very true you need to be just focused enough to actually finish something but just ADD enough to instantly start on the next iteration or pivot from something that looks like it won’t be worth it.

  • @g4l4x83
    @g4l4x83 4 года назад +657

    Sounds like apple products
    I mean seriously, 1E, 9S5, Falcon 9 AIR?!

    • @gwyn.
      @gwyn. 4 года назад +126

      You should be glad they didn't name any of it Falcon 9s Pro Max

    • @beemerhead117
      @beemerhead117 4 года назад +50

      It actually makes a lot of sense. Falcon 1e must have been a 5th iteration of Falcon 1 rocket. 9S5 is Falcon 9 with Side mounted Falcon 5 boosters. Falcon Air is air launched version. Nice and easy to understand what it is from model name.

    • @g4l4x83
      @g4l4x83 4 года назад +14

      Hekssas Yea i know, just sayin it sounds like apple could have named them

    • @volo870
      @volo870 4 года назад +6

      Still can't forgive them killing Apple IIGS.
      Bastards!

    • @thanos8641
      @thanos8641 4 года назад +8

      Maybe Apple stole their idea.

  • @toasterbathboi6298
    @toasterbathboi6298 4 года назад +196

    0:33 they must’ve forgotten to take down that tent before the launch lol

    • @Wallyworld30
      @Wallyworld30 4 года назад +24

      It looked like the trinity footage. Lol.

    • @bobbob123ful
      @bobbob123ful 4 года назад +6

      Lol good catch

    • @cranjusmcbasketball2052
      @cranjusmcbasketball2052 4 года назад +19

      RIP tent. Press F so it’s memory may live on

    • @CarlosAM1
      @CarlosAM1 4 года назад +20

      Budget is low man, the tent´s gotta go.

    • @mynameismatt2010
      @mynameismatt2010 4 года назад +15

      Line item on the insurance report AND a tax deduction. Elon knew how multi-billion dollar companies worked even way back then.

  • @hymenoptera_2692
    @hymenoptera_2692 4 года назад +303

    Let’s go Starship heavy will have 3 starship boosters strapped together

    • @elicier4123
      @elicier4123 4 года назад +44

      * N-1 heavy

    • @commiccannon592
      @commiccannon592 4 года назад +5

      Ferr Gefalschte uh oh that sounds like a massive bomb

    • @thanos8641
      @thanos8641 4 года назад +26

      Saturn 5 Heavy.

    • @johntheux9238
      @johntheux9238 4 года назад +17

      Starship 2.0 with a diameter of 18 meters is way better.

    • @Tuuminshz
      @Tuuminshz 4 года назад +5

      @@johntheux9238 In future after Starship a bigger ship will be built

  • @ryanritter7814
    @ryanritter7814 4 года назад +323

    SpaceX: posts a video of fairing deployment.
    Scott: posts
    Me: holy **** that was fast.... Oh. Nevermind

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +199

      later!

    • @ryanritter7814
      @ryanritter7814 4 года назад +16

      @@scottmanley looking forward to it!

    • @shazmosushi
      @shazmosushi 4 года назад +13

      @@scottmanley Do a video on Falcon X and Falcon XX with abandoned Merlin 2 engines!

    • @kworkshop
      @kworkshop 4 года назад

      Scott Mamet oh awesome!

    • @rasaecnai
      @rasaecnai 4 года назад +3

      @@scottmanley give it to us Daddy!

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape 4 года назад +114

    Coming soon: Starship Nuclear with liquid core nuclear thermal rocket engine, like the old Liberty Ship concept. Bring it!

    • @Krmpfpks
      @Krmpfpks 4 года назад +2

      Like Project Orion, with nuclear bombs?

    • @stainlesssteelfox1
      @stainlesssteelfox1 4 года назад +3

      That's not something you want operating in an atmosphere, even with an outer ring of Raptor engines for takeoff and landing. It makes more sense to build it as a separate spacecraft, small enough to be launched in a Starship Cargo payload bay. It carries an inboard liquid methane tank, and is able to attach to the standard hose fittings on a Starship upper stage used for orbital refuelling. This means it can be refuellled by a Starship Tanker, and stays in orbit once it's been activated keeping the radiation away from inhabited places, and reducing contamination in the event of a crash.
      You launch a passenger/cargo Starship for Mars as normal, but while you refill the methane tanks fully, you only need enough oxidiser for the landing at the other end. You also top off the inboard tank on the nuclear stage. After fuelling is done. this rendezvouses with the Starship, connecting to it's tanks. You can use the inboard methane tank and some Starship methane in a methane propellant NTR to get more than twice the specific impulse of a purely methalox Starship, increasing delta V. Excluding a chunk of the LOX would also reduce the GTOW as liquid oxygen is over 3/4 of the mass, further increasing delta V.
      This means you either have wider transfer windows, or can do faster transfers. At Mars, the Starship undocks with just enough methane and LOX to perform the landing. The nuclear stage stays in orbit, and gets refuelled by a tanker just before it's used for a Starship to travel back to Earth.

    • @davidpotter8297
      @davidpotter8297 4 года назад

      @@stainlesssteelfox1 just add that you'd need enough propellant in the nuclear stage to place it in Mars orbit.

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 4 года назад

      @@stainlesssteelfox1 How would you get the nuclear stage and/or it's fuel into orbit without posing most of the same risks in the first place though?
      An accident with a nuclear rocket would be bad whether the rocket is operating under it's own power when it happens or is just the payload on another rocket...

    • @jamesm5787
      @jamesm5787 4 года назад +3

      @@KuraIthys If it has never been run, the fuel in a nuclear rocket is just uranium oxides. With a half life of 700 million years for U235 and 4.5 billion years for U238, Uranium has a pretty low activity regardless of enrichment level. Not something you'd want to ingest but that's basically because it'll give you heavy metal poisoning. If you somehow managed to ingest enough uranium for it's radioactivity to cause health problems, you'd be too busy being dead from it's plain old chemically toxic effects to care.
      Once you've run your reactor however, you now have an unhappy mix of actinides and fission products in with your fuel. These are much shorter lived and much more radioactive and will very much give you radiation poisoning.

  • @tennseven999
    @tennseven999 4 года назад +487

    Challenge: One drink every time Scott says "Falcon". See you tomorrow!

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 4 года назад +18

      ksp and scott manley drinking games are the best.

    • @SharkLasers380
      @SharkLasers380 4 года назад +6

      WOW! Not until noon.

    • @utalomAlibbantakat
      @utalomAlibbantakat 4 года назад +16

      Try this : drink when u hear falcon, space x, nasa, see you in hospital 😉

    • @cohcam2113
      @cohcam2113 4 года назад +7

      He only said falcon 60 times. Give Scott a break lol.

    • @KSPUnitedYT
      @KSPUnitedYT 4 года назад +13

      I want a liver tho

  • @7249xxl
    @7249xxl 4 года назад +258

    Spacex: that friend that skips tutorial and is successful doing so

  • @InventorZahran
    @InventorZahran 4 года назад +42

    1:45 Perhaps this is where Peter Beck got the idea for Electron Heavy...

    • @magnemoe1
      @magnemoe1 4 года назад +3

      Perhaps, more probably as electron looks like an miniature falcon 9.

    • @darkstar2111
      @darkstar2111 4 года назад +26

      It should be 'Muon' rather than 'Electron heavy'

    • @Exalerion
      @Exalerion 4 года назад +2

      Except that there is no idea...

    • @adamrezabek9469
      @adamrezabek9469 3 года назад

      @aviagamer ...

  • @faint_echo
    @faint_echo 4 года назад +21

    Elon: "breathes"
    Scott: 10 thing you missed in . . . . .

  • @avecas
    @avecas 4 года назад +71

    RL-10 on a Falcon - now I've seen everything!

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 4 года назад +20

      Honestly, the Falcon Heavy *needs* an RL-10 third stage to be viable for deep space missions. I ran the numbers on that for a certain internship to prove a point. Numbers-wise, you can basically drop a Delta IV second stage on top of the Falcon Heavy second stage and put your payload on top of that whole stack. The math works out to something like 18 tons to a Saturn transfer trajectory.
      Edit: don't quote me on the specifics there, I remember it being a very large number relatively speaking to one of Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus.

    • @kerbodynamicx472
      @kerbodynamicx472 4 года назад

      Joe Murphy Falcon heavy have no third stage.

    • @kerbodynamicx472
      @kerbodynamicx472 4 года назад +2

      It is too expensive. If SpaceX wants a hydrogen upper stage, they’ll probably make their own engine.

    • @AkaiKA4K
      @AkaiKA4K 4 года назад +1

      Kerbodynamic X Falcon heavy can have RL-10 stage as third stage inside the fairing is what he is saying.

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 4 года назад +8

      @@kerbodynamicx472 hydrogen engines are extremely expensive to develop from scratch, which is why they said they won't try. Elon has said it would sink SpaceX to go down that route (which at the time was probably true). It would cost ~$5 billion upfront to develop a new engine vs the tens of millions that each RL-10 costs per launch. So naturally if you aren't using this configuration a lot, the RL-10 solution makes much more sense.

  • @corporalclegg5057
    @corporalclegg5057 4 года назад +2

    I love seeing these cut or abandoned proposals/cut content

  • @Pintuuuxo
    @Pintuuuxo 4 года назад +4

    Thank you Scott. This video is very important because the failures and explosions are part of the history too. The SpaceX channel does not show videos from the CRS-7 and Amos-6 failures but they should. Gwynne on an interview told us that is part of the learning process (in her words), so she is truly not ashamed of those failures. I like her. It's a pity that the cooperation between SpaceX and Statolaunch ended because that would have provided us wonderful images. You fly very safe! :-)

  • @kurtweinstein8450
    @kurtweinstein8450 4 года назад +79

    Where did you find the early PR material? I could actually use that in my research.

    • @lukasdon0007
      @lukasdon0007 4 года назад +8

      IF you're doing 'research', how come you are unable to find basic materials that even someone from a YT video managed to find?

    • @pathrender
      @pathrender 4 года назад +7

      @@lukasdon0007 scott probably has better sources for information since at this point hes a professional science communicator

    • @phillyphakename1255
      @phillyphakename1255 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@lukasdon0007people are different, they have different brains, search for different things on different sources.
      A helping hand on your research isn't something to be ashamed of, it's standing on the shoulders of giants.

  • @wouterdevlieger1002
    @wouterdevlieger1002 4 года назад +12

    If the number designates the number of engines, I would love to see a 'millenium falcon' design. Mixing up units of time with units of distance (or amounts in this case) is pretty much as Star Wars as you can get.

    • @snuffeldjuret
      @snuffeldjuret 4 года назад +2

      or just put a thousand engines on that thing!

  • @JaquesBobe
    @JaquesBobe 4 года назад +6

    Scott's lighting/camera setups are as consistent as orbital trajectories in a three-body problem :D

  • @bobguy6542
    @bobguy6542 4 года назад +6

    Your channel has grown so much, that I doubt you're still reading every comment. But seriously; thank you for such great content that cannot be found anywhere else.

  • @paulhaynes8045
    @paulhaynes8045 4 года назад +5

    Air launching rockets is one of those odd things that looks obvious and easy, but turns out to be very hard, very expensive - and, ultimately, pretty pointless. Turns out it's easier just to stick the rocket on the ground, point it upwards, and light the blue touchpaper.

  • @ryanrising2237
    @ryanrising2237 4 года назад +11

    “Propellant Crossfeed,” oof. Someday we’ll get those magical fuel lines from KSP I’m sure.

  • @alverro5351
    @alverro5351 4 года назад +6

    Thanks for providing such great content!

  • @sbspace2434
    @sbspace2434 3 года назад +1

    Almost one year for this vid got uploaded I still remember the day when this vid was uploaded. Time flies

  • @ThatSlowTypingGuy
    @ThatSlowTypingGuy 4 года назад +65

    Falcon 1e is announced.
    "What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon!?"

    • @dmm8658
      @dmm8658 4 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 4 года назад +3

      Go for Papa Palpatine!

    • @TonboIV
      @TonboIV 4 года назад +2

      You guys have been just flying around in that capsule for 2 days trying to get to the space station? You must smell like... feet... wrapped in leathery... burnt... bacon.

    • @chinatype2bassrocker809
      @chinatype2bassrocker809 4 года назад

      Just a name they gave for a can of "re-purposed" Bud Ice...

    • @TheMrPeteChannel
      @TheMrPeteChannel 4 года назад +2

      @@TonboIV "......I threw the Senate at him!"

  • @ekszentrik
    @ekszentrik 4 года назад +2

    Their original concept of a Falcon Heavy was just so adorably quaint.

  • @st3althyone
    @st3althyone 4 года назад

    Excellent reporting as usual Scott!

  • @Mafuskas
    @Mafuskas 4 года назад +2

    I think the most interesting thing about the early Falcon Heavy plans was the propellant cross-feed. I understand that the plumbing became too much of a hassle but the performance gains would have been amazing.

    • @johntheux9238
      @johntheux9238 4 года назад

      That's why they can't make a falcon superheavy, without crossfeed it's an huge waste of power.

    • @KnightRanger38
      @KnightRanger38 4 года назад

      @@johntheux9238 Actually most of the payloads initially planned for the Falcon 9 Heavy were able to be launched on a single stick Falcon 9.

  • @citizenblue
    @citizenblue 4 года назад +3

    Take a half step to the left lol you have an antenna on your head! Great video, fly safe!

  • @waedi73
    @waedi73 4 года назад

    Combination Award for coolest outro words and best haircut goes toooo Scott Manley ! Great show !

  • @haraldhimmel5687
    @haraldhimmel5687 4 года назад

    This really shows how kerbal the beginnings of SpaceX really were. Beautiful!

  • @P3x310
    @P3x310 4 года назад +1

    I love how in this kind of old footage of the first steps of a launch corporation you can see the how they learn just what kind of damage a rocket launch can do. Such as that first Iranian launch from the launch vehicle that tore the door open, or the poor shed here at 0:37 that gets torn to ribbons.

    • @catprog
      @catprog 4 года назад

      Probably a tent not a shed.

  • @devinlastnamenotneeded8521
    @devinlastnamenotneeded8521 4 года назад +12

    Air launched falcon? Amazing

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 4 года назад +2

      Annoys me how they ditched it and kinda fucked stratolaunch over, probably due to profit too...

    • @mennovanlavieren3885
      @mennovanlavieren3885 4 года назад +4

      @@ericlotze7724 If the issue was money Paul Allan and friends would have dealt with that. Probably Space X didn't have enough engineers to work on contradicting Falcon designs. Look at how 'sharing' worked out for the Joint Strike Fighter or look at the enormous cost for the F35 because they want one platform to be everything. As Steve Jobs said: "Focus is about saying no!"
      Stratolaunch should have taken over the rocket design and just buy some Merlin engines from Space X.

  • @teddy.d174
    @teddy.d174 4 года назад

    Scott you’re the freaking best man, excellent work per usual! 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @dylanbyrne9591
    @dylanbyrne9591 4 года назад +4

    Falcon 1e, 5, 9S5, 9S9 & Air is gonna be Elon's next child's name

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide 4 года назад +8

    I ran mission assurance as a young Air Force officer at Vandenberg for the first Falcon 1 static fire. My buddy did it for Kwaj when it blew up

    • @blurglide
      @blurglide 4 года назад +1

      Thanks for the like, Scott. . That was the first time a fully-integrated Falcon rocket was fired. Release the clamps and it was headed to orbit. We refurbished an old Thor launch site for this, adjacent to where they now launch Falcon 9's. Falcon 1 is REMARKABLY similar to Thor. I still have the checklist with my notes in the margins. Do you know anyone who might like to buy that piece of memorabilia?

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +2

      I might.....

    • @blurglide
      @blurglide 4 года назад +1

      @@scottmanley How do I reach you? I can dig that up and send you some pics.

  • @Kineth1
    @Kineth1 4 года назад +31

    "none of these ever flew" Oh, they flew all right... Right out the window!

  • @FourthRoot
    @FourthRoot 4 года назад +32

    You forgot to mention the Falcon X, X Heavy, and XX.

    • @TroyUnrau
      @TroyUnrau 4 года назад +3

      Yep - although getting details might be harder for those.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +40

      No, those were never announced, they were merely rough sketches of what the Merlin 2 would enable. There’s another video in the subject soon

    • @Sableagle
      @Sableagle 4 года назад +5

      Are we expecting that line to continue with the Falcon 46-XX, Falcon 46-XY, Falcon 47-XXY and so on?

    • @FourthRoot
      @FourthRoot 4 года назад

      @@scottmanley Fair enough.

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 4 года назад

      @@Sableagle lol. What...
      Hmmh. Now you're making me wonder if anyone ever had a 47-XXX or XYY...
      Seems unlikely, but then again, ending up with XXY seems unlikely too, given the implications...

  • @trimeta
    @trimeta 4 года назад +9

    No mention of the Falcon X and Falcon XX? Even if only to say that those never existed beyond the single PowerPoint slide that circulated on the internet?

    • @2KOOLURATOOLGaming
      @2KOOLURATOOLGaming 4 года назад

      Someone else commented that and Scott has said he's going to cover those soon.

    • @SovereignOne
      @SovereignOne 4 года назад

      Falcon XXX was scrapped immediately too.

  • @pirscho2238
    @pirscho2238 4 года назад +8

    Hello Scott
    I wanted to ask if you could make a playlist of videos like going nuclear about star Evolution and different kinds of stars.
    I am not sure if you already made some Videos about it. But going nuclear seems like a comprehensive guide.
    Wosh you all the best thank you for making great videos 🙂

  • @scharkalvin
    @scharkalvin 4 года назад +1

    Also the original Falcon Heavy would have inter-connected the booster fuel tanks to the core rocket, refueling the core as it flew. By the time the booster tanks ran dry and separated the core would be almost fully fueled. This concept was dropped, probably because it was too complex, and also to allow the boosters to retain enough fuel to fly back and land.

  • @CapnSlipp
    @CapnSlipp 4 года назад +1

    Looks like every scrapped Falcon design *didn't* have landing legs. It's not hard to imagine that once SpaceX had a chance at reusable boosters, all plans for non-reusable were ditched.

  • @squidwardfromua
    @squidwardfromua 2 года назад +1

    I like how at the end F9 IMO became the best rocket in the world: cheap, reliable, capable workhorse

  • @sawyerw5715
    @sawyerw5715 4 года назад +1

    Slightly off topic, but can you believe how the launch cadence of SpaceX is accelerating. 3 Starlink launches and 180 Satellites in 3 weeks?! Got to be making some records. At least right now Jun 3 was successful and there are 2 more scheduled by end of the month, with another non-starlink launch close by as well. There may be something to this reusability after all. Nice review of the designs Scott. I had always wondered about some of the trade offs with air launch, and hadn't really thought about it in depth. But you pointed out the (should have been obvious) unique structural requirements for being hung from a plane, thanks.

  • @AnotherGlenn
    @AnotherGlenn 4 года назад

    I took a road trip (2000 km one way, 6000 km total in 12 days) to Florida to see the second Falcon Heavy (ARABSAT 6A) launch. For as along as I live, it will be something to smile about. I ate a lot of fresh fish and drank many Yuenglings and made new friends. I swam in the gulf and in the Atlantic. I hope to make similar trips in the years to come.

  • @henryjordan433
    @henryjordan433 4 года назад +1

    Seems like they learned the lesson to just focus on a few really important products rather than many mediocre ones.

  • @ravimehta5385
    @ravimehta5385 4 года назад

    I love Scott's videos! Always so interesting. I thought he was wearing a funny hat in this one, but it was only the imperial shuttle in behind.

  • @kerryhaycock9446
    @kerryhaycock9446 4 года назад +1

    Wow 1.7 K views in 10 min . nice work 👍🏻

  • @laprepper
    @laprepper 4 года назад

    Great content as always

  • @paulkepshire5056
    @paulkepshire5056 4 года назад +2

    Thank you for yet another very informative video, Scott! :)

  • @anthoneyking6572
    @anthoneyking6572 4 года назад

    Thanks, Scott awesome Vlog thank you

  • @Redthorn57
    @Redthorn57 4 года назад +5

    Yay, Scott video

  • @benterrell9139
    @benterrell9139 4 года назад

    New "fly safe"... Great video!

  • @F-Man
    @F-Man 4 года назад +10

    Last time I was this early, Scott was still just a KSP streamer!

  • @Rivercoon
    @Rivercoon 4 года назад +1

    While the Falcon 5 never flew SpaceX did bend metal on at least one. I was able to take a tour of the old factory and saw it sitting next to the first Dragon capsule which at the time consisted of just 3 bent metal tubes welded together.

  • @murasaki848
    @murasaki848 4 года назад +2

    "What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'!?!" "Actually, it's the Falcon 1e"...

  • @kojeb
    @kojeb 4 года назад

    Please do more videos like this with planned launch vehicles or spacecraft

  • @Prototheria
    @Prototheria 4 года назад +4

    That's the falkin' one, right there!

  • @COWBOY_TECH
    @COWBOY_TECH 3 года назад

    I was out on Kwajalein and saw the falcon 1 launches. There was an awesome party when they finally got it right.

  • @m1k3droid
    @m1k3droid 4 года назад

    I designed a one man pod to launch on the F1e I called the Wyvern that I thought would be useful for a) ISS escape pods, b) private space travel, c) USAF Space Command inspection vehicles.

  • @Lacksi12
    @Lacksi12 4 года назад

    great video! I love it

  • @carlito2480
    @carlito2480 4 года назад

    Finally some new stuff to hear about... so refreshing 😛

  • @jonkersvideos
    @jonkersvideos 4 года назад

    Hi Scott, no video about the Spacex ama session? Thanks for all the other great content!

  • @MoonWeasel23
    @MoonWeasel23 4 года назад +9

    Well that’s old SpaceX. Now let’s get hype for the future with Nuclear Starship/ Superheavy. I’m convinced that Elon is eventually going to dig up the old Sea Dragon concept at some point.

    • @genephipps6421
      @genephipps6421 4 года назад

      How could he not right?

    • @DavidJohnson-tv2nn
      @DavidJohnson-tv2nn 4 года назад +1

      The next SpaceX rocket that should end up on the asheap of history is Starship. Time to start over.

    • @Steven_Edwards
      @Steven_Edwards 4 года назад +1

      @@DavidJohnson-tv2nn idunno about that, give them time...they haven't been working on Starship all that long.

    • @DavidJohnson-tv2nn
      @DavidJohnson-tv2nn 4 года назад +1

      @@Steven_Edwards They have been working on it for a couple of years now, and to date the project has been a complete clusterf**k. Hope things change for the better but I don't have a lot of confidence that it will happen.

    • @HNedel
      @HNedel 4 года назад +6

      @@DavidJohnson-tv2nn the real work started last year, after the initial Planing stage was complete. Where should they be by now, in order to satisfy your high criteria for not being a clusterfuck? You think destroying a few welded together tanks and one engine was never in the cards when building a completely new space vehicle? Compared to what is it a clusterfuck really? The Russians who are still on the drawing board with Yrtish/Yenisei? Or maybe SLS? Or blue origin? Do tell, please.
      By the way, did you have high confidence about falcon, heavy and crew dragon?

  • @jonathanlebon9705
    @jonathanlebon9705 4 года назад +2

    If I had £1 for every time Scot said "Falcon" in this video, might be able to afford an actual falcon rocket.
    xD

  • @Shortline819
    @Shortline819 4 года назад +3

    What about the reusable 2nd stage concepts?

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +3

      That’s in the next video

    • @linasvelavicius330
      @linasvelavicius330 4 года назад +1

      Scott I’m not sure if you’re into brainstorming concepts in your public forums. Love to hear what you think about the following second stage reentry concept.
      Could a Trident missile type aerospike (ablative or liquid cooled) be applied in reverse for reentry? During reentry the aerospike would be extended to create a “safespace” within the conical shockwave protecting the base of the rocket. The Second stage would also have Falcon 9 type landing legs that would dynamically extend into the shockwave for guidance and aerobraking. Add 2 vacuum rocket engines with extendable/retractable nozzles (retracted for packaging/extended for vacuum burn/retracted for atmospheric deceleration & landing burns). Any potential?
      @@scottmanley

  • @jakubdugovic5665
    @jakubdugovic5665 4 года назад +1

    For the rest of the world:
    6:13 wingspan 117.35 m
    6:18 gross weight 544 310.84 kg
    6:24 orbital range 2407.6 km
    6:31 Alternative Cargo Transport Mission 14 805.96 km
    7:15 6123.5 kg to LEO

  • @grantexploit5903
    @grantexploit5903 4 года назад +2

    1:50 Damn-I thought my idea for a Falcon 1 Heavy was original! Though in my concept the core stages were supposed to use the modern engines and be heavily-stretched with landing ability, much more advanced than even the Falcon 1e...

  • @theharbinger2573
    @theharbinger2573 4 года назад +2

    They also abandoned fuel crossfeed on Falcon Heavy. Is that because it was just too much complexity for too little benefit? Does crossfeed provide real benefit over that current approach of just throttling the inner core back during most of the booster burn?

    • @garret1930
      @garret1930 4 года назад +1

      This is an example of theoretical maximums vs engineering optimal. In the real world the added complexity, cost, risk, and weight would all lessen any benefit they might get from crossfeed. It's probably still possible but I have no idea if it will ever be worth it within the next 25-50 years.

    • @johntheux9238
      @johntheux9238 4 года назад

      Probably because falcon superheavy was scrapped. The performance loss on falcon heavy is not as big.

    • @simongeard4824
      @simongeard4824 4 года назад

      @@garret1930 Especially since Heavy has flown, what, three times total? Once upgrades to the basic Falcon made Heavy redundant for a lot of the planned payloads, I think it quickly became obvious that continuing to pour development funds into making crossfeed work wasn't justifiable... especially once conversations around BFR started getting serious.

    • @TheEvilmooseofdoom
      @TheEvilmooseofdoom 4 года назад

      It would have meant a 3rd falcon 9 booster design. Simply not worth it.

  • @willbarnstead3194
    @willbarnstead3194 4 года назад

    I would love to see a video on the potential performance of a Falcon 1 using a Merlin D full thrust engine, and how that compares to the current small sat offerings.

  • @Wallyworld30
    @Wallyworld30 4 года назад +7

    Amazing that the Saturn V had 4x the cargo capacity of the Falcon Heavy. Those old timers sure could build a freaking rocket!

    • @TWX1138
      @TWX1138 4 года назад +5

      Yeah. Similarly the Soviet Union abandoned Energia even though they build and few two of them with a max payload of around 130 tons. Disappointing that the big rocket programs died out.

    • @oscarsmith3942
      @oscarsmith3942 4 года назад +7

      To be fair, the Falcon heavy (in expendable mode) costs $150M. A Saturn V costs about $1200M (adjusting for inflation)

    • @oscarsmith3942
      @oscarsmith3942 4 года назад +2

      I'm also seeing the payload difference as 2.5x (for fully expendable falcon heavy). Might be misreading something though.

    • @dougpowers
      @dougpowers 4 года назад +3

      @@TWX1138 both of these programs, while indeed impressive in their performance, were absurdly expensive. At ~$1.1bn per launch when adjusted for inflation, the Saturn V was a pricey piece of hardware, which is the primary reason the US cut the Apollo program short. Energia was far too expensive in comparison to the many other vehicles in the Soviet ecosystem. While it did have lift capability like none other, the few payloads that required it were themselves largely too expensive. Couple that with collapse of the USSR and Energia just wasn't sustainable for Russia. But, hey, at least we got some amazing kerolox engines out of that program.

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 4 года назад +4

      Yeah, umm it's more like 2.5-3x depending on your exact numbers for what configuration you are looking at. The Falcon Heavy tops out around 60 tons to LEO in expendable configuration. The Saturn V topped out around 140 tons to but some launches were a little more and others a little less. Also doesn't hurt that the Saturn V was by far the largest rocket the US has ever built. Imagine having a five engine second stage...

  • @AlecMuller
    @AlecMuller 4 года назад +2

    Very interesting to hear this history. I remember hearing that Musk said air-launched rockets were a poor value proposition - I didn't realize it was something they'd actually explored.

  • @mariusvanderleek471
    @mariusvanderleek471 4 года назад

    Good insights. Now off to the drawing board to make those dreams a reality...

  • @elopeous3285
    @elopeous3285 4 года назад +3

    i just noticed that pink lego space man. so cute.
    and is it standing in front of a 3d printed SRB?

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 4 года назад +2

      lol. Didn't notice that.
      Even though I have one of those on the shelf behind me.
      It's ironic because those are the early 80's style spacemen.
      But in the 80's they only came in Yellow, blue, and rarely, white. (then again up until the 90's you pretty much only got lego in Red, Blue, Yellow, White & black most of the time, and Grey, brown or Green for some very specific kinds of parts)
      The pink 80's style lego spaceman only exists because of the lego movie tie-ins...
      ...
      OK, I'm going to go now. Too much nerdiness coming out in one go. XD

  • @JayVal90
    @JayVal90 4 года назад +5

    It is unfortunate that the air launch mounts require such different engineering.

    • @revenevan11
      @revenevan11 4 года назад

      If only it were as easy as in ksp, where at worst we just need to add more struts!

    • @01Versatran
      @01Versatran 4 года назад

      benefits aren't great though.

  • @dom---------------2219
    @dom---------------2219 3 года назад +3

    Falcon 1 - 1 Engine
    Falcon 9 - 9 Engines
    Falcon Heavy - 27 Engines
    So, Falcon Heavy should be named Falcon 27 Heavy lol

  • @getahanddown
    @getahanddown 4 года назад +1

    Good video, as always, thanks.
    Scott would you consider adding cost / kg on graphs like @4:20?

  • @manthony6594
    @manthony6594 4 года назад +1

    Great Video!

  • @Countryballsandstuff999
    @Countryballsandstuff999 2 месяца назад

    I love your videos

  • @a32k57
    @a32k57 4 года назад +14

    You forgot about the Russian ICBM! haha

    • @johntheux9238
      @johntheux9238 4 года назад +2

      Lol. Really early design ^^

    • @5000mahmud
      @5000mahmud 4 года назад

      I wonder what it would take to make the Soyuz reusable

  • @SierraSierraFoxtrot
    @SierraSierraFoxtrot 4 года назад +1

    I had a very annoying and memorable argument about vertical launch versus horizontal with regards to loads with someone who has a degree in aeronautical engineering.
    He stubbornly denied winged vehicles experience different and more difficult loads than vertically launched rockets.
    It's amazing what you can do with motivated reasoning.

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 4 года назад

      Such arguments really just show that people are not innately rational, much less logical.
      And the ones who insist they are, should be regarded with much suspicion. XD

  • @MTerrance
    @MTerrance 4 года назад

    Rapid iteration and evolution in action. It must be frustrating for competitors, knowing that whatever target you set will likely be updated or even abandoned before you can match it.

  • @VhenRaTheRaptor
    @VhenRaTheRaptor 4 года назад +1

    The other big difference between the early concepts of the Falcon Heavy and what they actually built, was they were talking about fuel crossfeeding between the boosters and the central core.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +3

      That's the second video I'll talk about that and the Merlin 2

    • @johntheux9238
      @johntheux9238 4 года назад

      @@scottmanley Do you think that falcon superheavy and crossfeeding were scrapped together because they were interdependents?

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +1

      @@johntheux9238 I think the technology was hard to develop and the gains weren't going to grow the customer base sufficiently.

    • @TheEvilmooseofdoom
      @TheEvilmooseofdoom 4 года назад +1

      @@johntheux9238 Cross feeding was scrapped because it would have meant yet a 3rd F9 variant (or a Block 6) for a system that would likely not fly much.

  • @MatthewHill
    @MatthewHill 4 года назад

    Fascinating!

  • @abdihalimmadobe5479
    @abdihalimmadobe5479 4 года назад +1

    i love your chanel learned a lot thanks

  • @ateslabattery115
    @ateslabattery115 4 года назад

    This "fly safe" sounded kind of inquisitive

  • @andrewbailey7999
    @andrewbailey7999 4 года назад

    Also worth noting that the current Falcon Heavy no longer has propellant crossfeed. Apparently asparagus staging like in KSP is much more complex in real life

  • @doctorPaule
    @doctorPaule 4 года назад +2

    Although not a booster, there was also the Red Dragon, the first SpaceX vehicle to Mars.

    • @headcrab4090
      @headcrab4090 4 года назад

      And Grey Dragon to fly some paying customers around the Moon and back.

  • @buskingshark8316
    @buskingshark8316 4 года назад

    Great video. Are there not a few more missing designs though? Falcon X, Falcon XX, the original Hydrolox Raptor concept?

  • @cjpampling
    @cjpampling 4 года назад

    Just come across your channel with thanks to your kerbal tutorials. Just wondering, do you work for SpaceX or NASA or someone similar, you have very interesting and informative videos, subscribed

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +1

      Nah, this is just a hobby, which has worked out for the best because I’ve got no personal investment in anything I cover.

  • @godsrighteousness5003
    @godsrighteousness5003 4 года назад

    wow falcon 1e sounded really cool and feasible

  • @TheFLOW1978
    @TheFLOW1978 4 года назад +1

    Plans were made, numbers were crunched, renderings happened, but none of them flew - my KSP experience in a nutshell.

  • @gcewing
    @gcewing 4 года назад +3

    So, we're still waiting for a Falcon that can make 0.6 past light speed?

  • @InventorZahran
    @InventorZahran 4 года назад +33

    When you said "Falcon 9 Air", I initially thought it was going to be a lighter, thinner, and less powerful variant (similar to the MacBook Air or iPad Air).

    • @implodingbaby
      @implodingbaby 4 года назад +6

      Falcon lite

    • @JonasLomp
      @JonasLomp 4 года назад

      The iPad Air (A12) has more power than the iPad (A10) and the MacBook Air has more power than the MacBook. So Air don't mean less Powerfull, and the iPad Pro is even thinner than the iPad Air

  • @osvaldoa2596
    @osvaldoa2596 4 года назад +2

    Great video! Do you have any plans for a video on the Russian programs? Like the history of the soyuz, N1, or buran?

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +1

      I already did a history of the R-7

    • @osvaldoa2596
      @osvaldoa2596 4 года назад

      @@scottmanley I guess I missed that video. Anyways, thanks for the great content

  • @muskiet8687
    @muskiet8687 3 года назад

    0:34 , That Walmart-special canopy right next to the Falcon 1 launch site....
    Somebody must have asked himself whether to move it or not and then thought.... "nah, it'll be fun seeing it being blown away".

  • @tigertalar
    @tigertalar 4 года назад +1

    Can You make a video about the detailed sequence of events of the Falcon 9 first stage from touchdown until its prepared for towing

  • @frankooijevaar6525
    @frankooijevaar6525 4 года назад +2

    Falcon 9 Air? With that naming scheme we could have had the Falcon 9 Mini, Falcon 9 Air 2 and Falcon 9 Zoom by now...

  • @wakakaka8479
    @wakakaka8479 4 года назад

    The most interesting things in agile projects is its definition of property. Its core property is not design, nor hardware, even not individuals. It's core property is team culture. When team culture became domain languages, methodologies evolve gradually, then you will see some anti-intuitive things like build buildings around rocket. Kind of distributed intelligence property. It's really fun.

  • @muskreality
    @muskreality 4 года назад +1

    Next launch vehicles will be Falcon Spyder, Falcon GT and Falcon Superlaggera.