How SpaceX's New Raptor Vacuum Engine Is Different From Previous Raptors (and Other Stuff)

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  • Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
  • It's been a while since I talked about SpaceX's work on Starship, but in the last month I've been most excited by the reveal of the prototype for the Vacuum optimized version of the Raptor engine which is intended for the Starship upper stage.
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  • @chris-hayes
    @chris-hayes 4 года назад +390

    The flow separation on the shuttle clip was pretty neat, those are some scary forces.

    • @antoniomaglione4101
      @antoniomaglione4101 4 года назад +6

      These forces are some uber-powerful sonic waves, playing havoc on the surfaces...

    • @toreyweaver9708
      @toreyweaver9708 4 года назад +10

      I agree! I noticed that wobble on an rs25 engine video I watched just a couple weeks ago. Had no idea what was going on. Really spectacular breakdown, as always 🎖️

    • @aserta
      @aserta 4 года назад +6

      Which is why they didn't go for cutting their pipes out, rather brazing them.

    • @hoghogwild
      @hoghogwild 4 года назад +8

      Yes, the RS-25 had to perform not only off the pad, but almost all the way to orbital insertion. Compromises had to be made in nozzle design for its use as a sustainer engine. 0-17,500mph! The Rap-Vac operates only in vacuum thus can be more optimized for that single operating environment. Man does it start quick! Pressure start vs. RS-25 Head start The new RS-25 nozzles will feature a new channel wall nozzle to replace the 1080 stainless steel hand laid furnace brazed tubes in the current RS-25 inventory. I wonder if they will flex as much during start for SLS? Core Stage greenrun at Stennis coming soon! All 4 RS-25 engines have been powered up and gimballed using the new TVC systems.

    • @highlikejordan1818
      @highlikejordan1818 4 года назад +2

      It looked so cool

  • @elephantwalkersmith1533
    @elephantwalkersmith1533 4 года назад +149

    euuh! Vacuum test facilities .., I worked on the J6 test facility in Tennessee. The AF SRB vacuum test plant. I designed the test cell, the supersonic eductor, and the 20 toroidal vacuum steam jets. We ran a large boiler set for 3-4 day’s just to get enough hp steam for a 90 second run...those were the days!

    • @diesistkeinname795
      @diesistkeinname795 4 года назад +22

      I'd guess it's easier for SpaceX to just use the lower expansion ratio nozzle first and then test the larger nozze in space later.
      If Starship ends up with 3 vacuum and 3 ground level engines anyway, testing these by flying into orbit with the ground level engines and testing the higher expansion vacuum engines should be easier for them.
      And for launching cargo the performance of Starship would be overkill anyway, so the slight loss in performance wouldn't be that big of a deal.
      So I guess there is a good chance these nozzles will first be used after deploying some sort of payload.

    • @MrSapps
      @MrSapps 4 года назад +10

      @@diesistkeinname795 probably cheaper to fly a test article on an F9 to LEO to test it :D

    • @diesistkeinname795
      @diesistkeinname795 4 года назад +10

      @@MrSapps
      Well, I'm not sure if a vacuum raptor with an even larger nozzle than the tested one would fit into the fairings.
      Allthough a raptor powered upper stage for Falcon Heavy would probably increase payload capacity significantly, especialy in high energy trajectories as the regular upper stage is significantly undersized for FH.
      That could even be sufficient for an Apollo-style lander mission if they add active propellant cooling.

    • @maxk4324
      @maxk4324 4 года назад +2

      @@diesistkeinname795 It s unlikely we will ever see this. Their Falcon 9 and FH launch facilities aren't equipped to fuel a methane liquid methane upper stage. As well it would sort of defeat a huge part of what makes the Falcon 9 (and by extension the FH) such an effective launch vehicle. Rather than design totally custom systems for each stage they just took the same first stage hardware, modified it a bit, and created an upper stage as well as side boosters for the FH. This way they can reuse a lot of tooling and they can capitalize on an economy of scale with the common components. The two main priniciples behind the Falcon 9 (and the FH) are simplicity and modularity (at least thats what they appear to be based on their decisions up to this point).

    • @dougball328
      @dougball328 4 года назад +2

      Tullahoma - a plumber's wildest dream !

  • @JonathanSureau1
    @JonathanSureau1 4 года назад +304

    I just adore these short little explainers that Scott does. I wondered about the relationship of the bell nozzle and atmosphere/no atmosphere, first time I've heard it explained clearly and simply. I also learned about the reasons for the exhaust shape in the test footage. This is what people initially hoped the internet would enable. Instead we got FB. goddammit

    • @sonnyburnett8725
      @sonnyburnett8725 4 года назад +2

      We can thank our fairer half.

    • @a1001ku
      @a1001ku 4 года назад +1

      @@sonnyburnett8725 what?

    • @sonnyburnett8725
      @sonnyburnett8725 4 года назад +1

      Amogh K. Umesh , The reason for FB and it’s success!.......

    • @carljohan9265
      @carljohan9265 4 года назад +2

      Go watch the final codec conversation of metal gear solid 2. It keeps getting more relevant each year.

    • @FabiVoltair
      @FabiVoltair 4 года назад +1

      great comment!

  • @umi3017
    @umi3017 4 года назад +367

    "Building prototypes faster than blow them up"
    Woo, that sounds very promising!

    • @alexandresen247
      @alexandresen247 4 года назад +30

      that's your prototype destruction ratio, or pdr (not to be confused with a preliminary design review)

    • @prateekkarn9277
      @prateekkarn9277 4 года назад +8

      @@alexandresen247 I mean, it's just throwing money to accelerate development to breakneck speeds

    • @merxellus1456
      @merxellus1456 4 года назад +17

      @@prateekkarn9277 a small price to pay for salvation

    • @prateekkarn9277
      @prateekkarn9277 4 года назад +4

      @@merxellus1456_ *yes*_

    • @VirtanenDK
      @VirtanenDK 4 года назад +5

      @@RobertLutece909 I am sure SpaceX know what they are doing. They have been doing it since 2002, all under the strict guidelines from NASA...
      have a great day

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape 4 года назад +202

    I like the little 3D man with his hands on his head in that disaster sim.

    • @-danR
      @-danR 4 года назад +8

      11:32

    • @JohnDlugosz
      @JohnDlugosz 4 года назад +12

      Should have had a Kerbel standing next to him acting all "nothing out of the ordinary here".

    • @mystcat3
      @mystcat3 4 года назад

      @@JohnDlugosz Aka. That kerbal posing like "i'm the best" in front of a nuclear explosion

    • @adblockturnedoff4515
      @adblockturnedoff4515 4 года назад +1

      That is just Tim Dodd!!

    • @francescozampognaro2544
      @francescozampognaro2544 3 года назад +4

      And that's exactly what happened on Feb 2021 with sn9!!

  • @sambohambo3997
    @sambohambo3997 4 года назад +84

    Released just in time to sit down for dinner with this! This is the earliest I've ever been to a Scott Manley video, let alone one about SpaceX! :D

  • @dexter7954
    @dexter7954 3 года назад +10

    Man it's crazy that the simulation at 11:35 almost perfectly mirrored SN9's landing

  • @BakuganBrawler211
    @BakuganBrawler211 4 года назад +78

    The Vacuum start up sounded like one of those ceiling mounted heaters with the big fan on them 😂 A hell of a lot warmer I’m sure 🤣

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 4 года назад +8

      Funny how sounds overlap.
      Saw someone build and test a 1000 oscillator analogue synth.
      And since the tuning of each oscillator varies with frequency and they're all slightly different, when tuned to be in sync for a specific frequency, they're out of sync for others.
      So... He turns it on and slowly ramps up the frequency, and I swear the entire first 15 seconds or so is just this wall of noise that sounds like a jet engine spooling up.
      Then out of nowhere in the space of 1-2 seconds it all goes into tune and starts to make an actual note. XD
      I guess what that suggests is a jet engine sound is basically pink noise, but still. XD

    • @thiesenf
      @thiesenf 4 года назад +4

      @@KuraIthys Look Mum No Computer

    • @UNSCPILOT
      @UNSCPILOT 4 года назад +2

      Cost a touch more to run though XD

    • @BakuganBrawler211
      @BakuganBrawler211 4 года назад +2

      KuraIthys 🤣🤣 Crazy world lots of sounds 😂 it is crazy how similar things do sound. I mean those electric lawn mowers sound like drones somewhat then there’s the Tesla’s which can be like parrots 😂

    • @BakuganBrawler211
      @BakuganBrawler211 4 года назад +1

      Quiet Wanderer I mean we could brew the world a cup of Joe in the morning 🤣😂

  • @Tuxfanturnip
    @Tuxfanturnip 4 года назад +9

    Thank you for making these videos with thorough, compiled information rather than jumping at every chance to make daily videos about what piece of sheet metal got trucked where at boca chica. You make some of the best videos on space news out there.

  • @radioactive9861
    @radioactive9861 4 года назад +42

    Damn I LOVE 'rocket science'...I only understand a small percentage of it, but I still LOVE it!!!!!

  • @TimothyWhiteheadzm
    @TimothyWhiteheadzm 4 года назад +19

    Re: radiative cooling. You mentioned being inside a skirt, but another issue is there will, I believe, be three of them near each other and they can't radiatively cool towards each other.

  • @arwo1143
    @arwo1143 3 года назад +5

    I just love the fact that their animations of bellyflop, over flip and success are exactly how the launches went later on

  • @jurjenbos228
    @jurjenbos228 4 года назад +150

    8:07 "The raptor is a more complicated engine". As if the RS-25 itself wasn't complicated enough.

    • @TechyBen
      @TechyBen 4 года назад +21

      Yeah, advanced might be a better word to use. :P

    • @carljohan9265
      @carljohan9265 4 года назад +39

      @@TechyBen Both are accurate. The RS-25 is a closed cycle hydrolox, the raptor is a full flow staged combustion cycle methalox, the only one of it's kind that has ever achieved full functionality.

    • @theatom7264
      @theatom7264 4 года назад +7

      But it is way more reusable & allot more powerful. Shuttle wasnt reusable as they would have hoped it ended up being referbishable which caused the cost to go way up from what they wanted.

    • @jesusmora9379
      @jesusmora9379 4 года назад +39

      @@theatom7264 the problem with shuttle wasn't the engines, the engines were the most reusable part. it was the falling heat shield, the freezing o-rings, the fragile aluminum structure, the extra weight from all the random crap congress wanted, the extra long wings, the duplicate 8-bit computers, the life-support systems, the requirement to have 7 crew at all times, the giant hydrolox tank, the fact that it was built and tested all across america, the toxic hypergolic fuels, the inability to properly improve the design, and the fact that they didn't even get enough funding to build spare parts.
      the flying brick was a disaster.

    • @myvideosetc.8271
      @myvideosetc.8271 4 года назад +12

      @@jesusmora9379 Awesome synthesis, for a generation, having the shuttle on the cover of the school science and technology book meant "this is the top thing of the world", how things change when information is properly analyzed.

  • @linesided
    @linesided 4 года назад +1

    Love that turbo pump start up noise - sounds like a door on the death star closing - on steroids :)

  • @Zeppflyer
    @Zeppflyer 4 года назад +135

    In addition to the packed-in nature of the Rap-vacs making radiative cooling unworkable, is the regenerative cooling needed to make the engine reusable with no overhaul between most flights? The space Merlin is disposable, after all.

    • @theatom7264
      @theatom7264 4 года назад +8

      I'm sure this wasthought about in the design but remember this isnt a final design vac Raptor. They'll likely go through a handfull of changes between now & when it starts leaving the atmosphere.

    • @biplabkumarghosh6300
      @biplabkumarghosh6300 4 года назад +3

      Merlin isn't disposable. It has been used for multiple flights, although it needed refurbishment

    • @chris-hayes
      @chris-hayes 4 года назад +40

      OP is talking about the vacuum optimized version on the second stage which burns up in the atmosphere when it's done.

    • @biplabkumarghosh6300
      @biplabkumarghosh6300 4 года назад +2

      @@chris-hayes Oh, got it. Thanks

    • @heyarno
      @heyarno 4 года назад +2

      Maybe they plan to reuse it in low pressure environments like moon and mars.
      so designing in that feature now, might be cheaper than making a disposable version and s special reusable one.

  • @gregoryvarnadoe2557
    @gregoryvarnadoe2557 4 года назад +1

    SpaceX's ability to leverage technologies from outside the normal aerospace field has always been impressive. The milled core sandwich panel design with a thermal coating (Yttria stabilized Zirconia or similar) has been used in the gas turbine industry for years to manufacture combustion section components. The current generation of large power generation turbines operate at turbine inlet temperatures approaching 1600c for months at a time.

  • @StreuB1
    @StreuB1 4 года назад +75

    7:10 Hi Scott. The bright bands seen inside the divergence section I believe is "ghosting" of the cooling jacket structure in the walls, not flow separation. Also, if you reduce the throat in order to get your expansion ratio but you keep Pc the same, then thrust will decrease proportionately to the reduction in cross-sectional area of the throat due to the required reduction in propellant mass flux which drives chamber pressure. The only way to reduce the throats area and keep thrust the same would be to increase chamber pressure. This will have an affect on the propellant mass flux as well as thrust coefficient driving it up.
    Great video as always!!!

    • @joashparker8271
      @joashparker8271 4 года назад +12

      I believe he was referring to bright "beads" not "bands" which would make it the bright spots right at the edge of the nozzle which would be the flow separation.

    • @nagualdesign
      @nagualdesign 4 года назад

      Ooh, I hope Scott reads your comment and posts a detailed response.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  4 года назад +31

      Elon described it as flow separation: twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1309385646033842176?s=20

    • @nagualdesign
      @nagualdesign 4 года назад +3

      @@scottmanley Succinct. Nice.

    • @StreuB1
      @StreuB1 4 года назад +2

      @@scottmanley Yes, that is flow separation. I am talking about the bands up inside the divergent section.

  • @NiickTheDiick
    @NiickTheDiick 3 года назад +1

    Jesus. 5 months later, and SO MUCH PROGRESS!!! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @rocketmentor
    @rocketmentor 3 года назад +1

    XLR-99, the X-15 engine, had a white coating too called Rockide to help insulated the walls which were regen cooled too by the ammonia fuel. That bright/hot spot is caused by the phenomena of gases becoming opaque above a certain temp. Thanks again Scott for another professionally delivered video - Ken

  • @antoniomaglione4101
    @antoniomaglione4101 4 года назад +1

    Excellent presentation, thank you Mr. Manley. SpaceX has made everybody curious on developments of Space technologies, so your clear explanation is right and proper...

  • @fighteer1
    @fighteer1 4 года назад +2

    Bold moves - we have yet to see a Raptor reignite in flight, or even sequentially between fuelings. I think this is the most interest aspect of SN8's potential flight.

  • @mhr2967
    @mhr2967 4 года назад +1

    For 4 Years you have been my Nasa. Love you Scott!! Thanks fore explaning /expanding - on all the "in between" parts!

  • @jagheterbanan
    @jagheterbanan 4 года назад +2

    I just love seeing Raptors start, you can truly feel the power like smack you right in the face, they don’t mess around!

  • @jacobhansen8015
    @jacobhansen8015 4 года назад

    That ignition sequence....chills everywhere when the flames appeared

  • @kukunishad
    @kukunishad 3 года назад +3

    The animation is exactly what happened with SN8,SN9 and SN10. 11:32

  • @ShiftingDrifter
    @ShiftingDrifter 4 года назад

    Wow! Giant boat nets catching faring chutes and videos of Shuttle RS25 engines buckling to illustrate flow separation! Heaven help me I love mega nerdy stuff so much!

  • @VekhGaming
    @VekhGaming 4 года назад +109

    Wait, so they're literally using crumple-zones as shocks?
    Guess this makes takes Lithobraking even more accurate as a descriptor.

    • @RavemastaJ
      @RavemastaJ 4 года назад +12

      If it works, and you can still use the vast majority of the faring for future testing/use, then it's still a decent design. Even if it is a crude solution.

    • @SouseMouse
      @SouseMouse 4 года назад +6

      SpaceX doing development testing for Tesla.

    • @rdfox76
      @rdfox76 4 года назад +13

      Apollo used it on the Lunar Module. No reason not to use it.

    • @donjones4719
      @donjones4719 4 года назад +16

      @@RavemastaJ I prefer to call it brutal elegance instead of crude, because they're actually meant to telescope up in a wedging action, IMO. The crumpling happens because the one-engined tilted ship puts too much weight on the first couple of legs to make contact, and the ship's moving slightly sideways, not straight down. The leg telescopes to the limit, then crumples further.

    • @jearlblah5169
      @jearlblah5169 4 года назад +2

      rdfox76 that was a one time use vehicle though.

  • @ShivamYadav11396
    @ShivamYadav11396 4 года назад +14

    Scott Manley. The best. Love from India. Keep up the great work.

  • @nagualdesign
    @nagualdesign 4 года назад +12

    A wealth of information as always.

  • @marcgeller8
    @marcgeller8 4 года назад +1

    Wow. I love that we're living in this time to see all of this. We're taking the next step into exploring the vastness of space. People living 300 years from now will be looking back in amazement 💙
    Scott your videos are always very interesting and informative. Always look forward to a new one dropping. Keep up the outstanding work boss 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @ciudadanubis
    @ciudadanubis 4 года назад +2

    Excelent video, you pointed things that I haven't notice before, like the wobbling nozzle of the RS25, i don't know how SpaceX will make not to break the piping of the cooling system of the Raptor Vac nozzle.
    Amazing engineering

  • @harrytubefly
    @harrytubefly 3 года назад

    Watching this video in September 2021 it is amazing how much progress SpaceX has made in 11 months: SN8/9 launched and crashed, SN10 landed and exploded, SN11 crashed, SN15 landed successfully. Starship and the booster have been stacked, now we are awaiting the first orbital Launch. Falcon 9 fairings are now routinely recovered from the water, crew dragon is operational, the first private Crewed Mission is about to launch and about 20 additional starlink launches.
    All this in 11 months... Mind-blowing! Awesome!

  • @wtfpwnz0red
    @wtfpwnz0red 4 года назад +19

    "If you're falling, you definitely want your engines to start up quickly"
    Don't I know it! *laughs in KSP*

  • @lukedogwalker
    @lukedogwalker 4 года назад +1

    Very good, informative video. I appreciate how no prior knowledge of rocketry is taken for granted, which made it very accessible and provided some clear explanations of topics I've been wondering about for a while. Good stuff 👍

  • @Ironmanxp
    @Ironmanxp 4 года назад +1

    Ok Scott, a hypothetical. If you were teleported to an alien planet where there were all the resources, materials, & fuels, and mechanical equipment and tools you needed, could you design & build a rocket to get you back into space? I think yes! Thanks for being our "Know How Guy".

  • @ianablitt2627
    @ianablitt2627 4 года назад +2

    Hello Scott, Thank you for all these explanations on rockets from the past and to Spacex currently. Just turned 69 in August and grew up fascinated by the early days of rocketry. I bought many solid engine hobby kits and and they really didn’t alway go straight up on lift off lol. I love the ones with a second engine that would pop out the Parachute.. ))))) good times late 50’s and through the 60’s you other intrests are fascinating as well Thank you Again , Ian

  • @C-M-E
    @C-M-E 2 года назад

    Totally out of context, but now that it's in my head, good luck getting it out. Listening at 5:05 and reading Scott's shirt simultaneously=uhh... 😁

  • @TheOneWhoMightBe
    @TheOneWhoMightBe 4 года назад

    This is a video about Raptor, but I never get tired of seeing that slow-mo Shuttle engine startup, especially as the Mach Diamond teeters on the brink and then 'pops' into existence.

  • @pbrows6310
    @pbrows6310 3 года назад

    Been looking forever for info on the landing legs.. good stuff thanks.

  • @EorsAstroVids
    @EorsAstroVids 4 года назад +7

    "Getting ahead of themselves, building prototypes faster than they can blow them up." I LOLed

  • @nagarjunkashyap5987
    @nagarjunkashyap5987 3 года назад +1

    11:40. Dude. That's the exact trajectory taken by SN9. Whoa.
    Also, it showed the first three flips failing and the fourth one a success. Hoping that's true.

  • @BakuganBrawler211
    @BakuganBrawler211 4 года назад +3

    Thank you Scott not much about the Raptor and it’s iterations out there yet! Can’t wait to see the gases as they expand until orbit 🚀

  • @arjun_amin
    @arjun_amin 4 года назад +34

    Testing a vacuum engine at sea level. Big brain move.

    • @gamingbelowzero542
      @gamingbelowzero542 4 года назад +2

      Arjun Amin they really are stupid to do that

    • @arjun_amin
      @arjun_amin 4 года назад +9

      Well, do they have another option? It’s expensive to test a vac engine in an artificial vacuum. And you can’t just haul it into orbit. It is kinda dumb, to be fair.

    • @KnowledgePerformance7
      @KnowledgePerformance7 4 года назад +15

      @@gamingbelowzero542what you want them to just throw it up there and see what happens?

    • @Perichron
      @Perichron 4 года назад +11

      @@gamingbelowzero542 you're ignorant

    • @sneakytom7416
      @sneakytom7416 4 года назад +11

      @@gamingbelowzero542 the guys that you called stupid also responsible for the reusable rockets how about that? And what have you accomplished for besides becoming a keyboard warrior?

  • @coentrov
    @coentrov 4 года назад +1

    Good explanation of the way vacuum raptor engine works, thanks

  • @clancy5600
    @clancy5600 4 года назад +2

    One thing. The flaps on SN8 are not wings since they don't provide any lift and are there to do exactly the opposite, to create as much drag as possible. Otherwise an excellent video and incredibly informative!

    • @Vatsyayana87
      @Vatsyayana87 4 года назад +1

      Do you not call those flappy things on penguins wings?

    • @donjones4719
      @donjones4719 4 года назад

      @@Vatsyayana87 An amusing thought. But... Well, evolution has turned tetrapod limbs/hands into feet, flippers, and three kinds of wings (pterosaur, bats, and birds). A penguin's wings and a seal's or porpoise's flippers were both feet at one time, if you go back far enough in their evolutionary line. What we're dealing with here is the vagaries of language and its many inconsistencies. These 3 animals' limbs serve the same function regardless of the name.
      But man-created wings on aircraft have specific ways they interact with airflow, and it's very different from how Starship's control surfaces work. No existing term is accurate, and all are actually misleading, especially wing. Some wish the innovative terms brakerons or elerons had been adopted, but Elon has settled on "body flaps" for now.
      OK, I went way overboard here...

  • @dansmashey4137
    @dansmashey4137 3 года назад +1

    The nozzles are manufactured by machining grooves into the exterior of the nozzles. Than these grooves are filled in with a special wax. Then the nozzle is dipped several times into an electro plating tank of inconel 719 until a layer about 3/4 inch thick gets built up. Than the nozzle gets final machining and finally the special wax is melted out leaving behind the grooves. I saw this process on another video.

  • @SGH2186
    @SGH2186 4 года назад +1

    first, love the launchpad and tower for the Saturn V! been wanting to do that for mine. Second love the thoughts and insight into the rap-vac. it will be interesting to see once they do a full orbit insertion of starship.

  • @Mark-mo7rv
    @Mark-mo7rv 3 года назад

    0:06 i like that design of saturn V behind you

  • @stephenburrows4250
    @stephenburrows4250 4 года назад +2

    Awesome, thanks Scott! Re: flight build..., surely they have to have a nosecone for aerodynamics and obviously the front flaps - smaller mass simulator though? Cheers... 🍻

  • @jimirving3235
    @jimirving3235 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting watching this video AFTER the SN8 12.5 km extravaganza. A few things Scott didn't get right provide a gauge of the speed and flexibility of the Starship program.

  • @DavidKutzler
    @DavidKutzler 4 года назад +3

    They already have the stacking alignment stringers mounted around the top of SN8, so it's "nosecone-ready." Speculation is that they will do cryo and pressure testing first, then stack and weld on a nosecone while still on the launch pad before the 15 Km hop.

  • @winstonsmith478
    @winstonsmith478 4 года назад +5

    "That would probably set them back." There's an understatement.

  • @zapfanzapfan
    @zapfanzapfan 4 года назад +5

    Was expecting an analysis of the Delta IV scrub but this is better :-)

  • @BlueJazzBoyNZ
    @BlueJazzBoyNZ 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the Data and Context Scotty

  • @dakotahrickard
    @dakotahrickard 2 года назад

    Scott, could you please put more video clips with interesting audio in this?
    It really helps convey the majesty of the experience.
    Also, incidentally, I watch your channel but have no useful vision, so these audio clips give me a since of scale and timeline that words alone struggle to convey.
    Or, alternatively, can you direct me/us to a reliable source of launch, test, and flight audio for these various wonders?
    Thanks for your videos.
    And, by the by, you have such clear explanations that I feel your information is actually fully conveyed, a rarity in a service that relies so predominantly upon those visuals to illustrate points people seem to think they can't by words alone.
    You are an excellent presenter and have excellent content.
    Fly safe.

  • @CalebBrandalise
    @CalebBrandalise 4 года назад +5

    Ive been waiting for someone to talk about the variance in these engines!
    🙃🤙!

    • @Vatsyayana87
      @Vatsyayana87 4 года назад +1

      Not much, bigger nozzel, your welcome

  • @anthoneyking6572
    @anthoneyking6572 4 года назад

    for sure Scott the next couple of months will be very exciting I as a Lab padre member will be watching every second of it i hope you will too all the best stay safe

  • @DMLand
    @DMLand 4 года назад

    11:32 Love the human figure in the lower-right in full "OH NO!" stance.

  • @MarkiusFox
    @MarkiusFox 4 года назад +1

    I'd bet that the flash of a flame is the methane with the cryo puff being the LOX before ignition. I'm no rocket surgeon, but that makes sense to me with the engine layout and the cooling method. You'd want to get the cooling started which would dump some of the fuel into the bell, the igniters would cause the fuel to combust, then the oxidizer would push that out rapidly as the oxidizer pump spooled up.

  • @1_2_die2
    @1_2_die2 4 года назад

    The Right Stuff
    ... for my morning coffee. Good explanation of not so daily tech.

  • @dustinfisher5463
    @dustinfisher5463 4 года назад +7

    Been waiting for this topic

  • @tristanlongangue5671
    @tristanlongangue5671 4 года назад +3

    Good job scott

  • @ryansouthworth668
    @ryansouthworth668 3 года назад +2

    As a machinist machining channels in copper is the worst thing possible to do Such a gummy material I would love to see the finished part how to finish looks

  • @MorganGoins20299
    @MorganGoins20299 4 года назад +5

    Thanks Scott. You’re the man.

  • @livelifefullytomax
    @livelifefullytomax 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the comprehensive and interesting walkthrough of the issues surrounding flow separation. I wonder if the ceramic coating will ablate over time and if recoating is built into the maintenance schedule. I didn't appreciate the scale of the vacuum raptor and the pipework needed for wall cooling.

  • @athanatic
    @athanatic 4 года назад

    I love that SpaceX is so open about letting people see or do simulations like you are to "play the game." Really smart people from around the world can contribute their genius to the way to solve problems if you allow them tools. Then you hire them!
    It might be the closest to "The Last Starfighter" in the real world you can get in reality.

  • @densealloy
    @densealloy 4 года назад +88

    11:30 full scale test, to iron out bugs..very USSR

    • @Vatsyayana87
      @Vatsyayana87 4 года назад +10

      Except USSR tested maybe 1 engine out of every 50 they tried to fly. That alone makes it black and white.

    • @sonnyburnett8725
      @sonnyburnett8725 4 года назад +11

      That’s what NASA did with the Saturn V.

    • @antoniomaglione4101
      @antoniomaglione4101 4 года назад +9

      USSR didn't had the powerful software modeling tools that SpaceX (and all other Space companies) nowadays use. And I have a feeling that SpaceX have a sizeable edge on the quality of their software, compared to the other players in the field...

  • @surfmonster2323
    @surfmonster2323 3 года назад +3

    “Having large nozzles aren’t for everyone “-
    -Scott Manley.
    🤝

    • @rpbajb
      @rpbajb 3 года назад

      Ain't it the truth, pal, ain't it the truth.

  • @ClannerJake
    @ClannerJake 4 года назад +28

    "and hopefully..." scott, we're all fans here... just admit we all want to see it belly flop hard, in high definition, 4k, 120fps, with 4k high speed replays. it would be glorious. landing would be nice, but what would be better is a massive explosion. in fact, the first 8k high speed footage we should have is slow motion of that thing greeting the earth a whale out of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

    • @jesusmora9379
      @jesusmora9379 4 года назад +1

      i'd rather not "so long and thanks for all the fish". we really need humans on other planets before the world ends (or we get dragged onto another dark age).

    • @knealis76
      @knealis76 4 года назад +1

      Either way, i really hope they build a landing pad FAR away from the main facility, currently the landing pad they used for the hops is a little bit too close to the fuel farm if it comes in fast and can't stop. Blowing that up would set them back quite a bit.

    • @stardolphin2
      @stardolphin2 4 года назад +1

      @@knealis76 Yeah, that would be way too Kerbal-ish...

    • @stardolphin2
      @stardolphin2 4 года назад +2

      I'd be fine with seeing a nice neat 'looks-easy' touchdown, on the order of the parallel landing of FH side boosters.

  • @lukedare-white3131
    @lukedare-white3131 4 года назад

    Man SpaceX is so sick. Finally satisfying my desire for a group that gets stuff developed fast for space.

  • @BruceLee-vn6iw
    @BruceLee-vn6iw 4 года назад +2

    I suspect the chamber coating to be Zirconium Oxide. The color is correct from what I can see in the video. This coating has been used in AB assemblies for many years and provides good thermal protection in a similar type environment.

  • @TheBassMeister1
    @TheBassMeister1 3 года назад +1

    I forgot that this video was made before the 15km hops were done until after I started watching and something I noticed is some of the disaster sims look very similar to the way SN8 and 9 impacted the ground. Also Scott inadvertently predicted that it would take all of the engines firing to make it land properly. xD

    • @Fredrikaolsen
      @Fredrikaolsen 3 года назад

      Yes, some of the simulations looked like SN9. Fun to see what thought Scott had about the testing of SN8

  • @onogrirwin
    @onogrirwin 4 года назад

    In addition to flow separation, over-expanded nozzles incur negative pressure thrust, which literally sucks the rocket backwards. It's exit pressure minus ambient pressure times area at exit equals pressure thrust. Also worth noting that almost all rocket engines are over-expanded at sea level. This is because they tend to fly up, to higher in the atmosphere where the pressure is comparatively low, so it makes sense to optimize them for a compromise between sea level and performance at altitude.

  • @ValentineC137
    @ValentineC137 4 года назад +1

    I went to check the description for the starship landing video and I'm happy to see it there :D

  • @davidhenningson4782
    @davidhenningson4782 4 года назад

    Always learning cool new things here👍 keep up the great work!!

  • @javierpaz7954
    @javierpaz7954 4 года назад

    I liked the detail of the man grabbing his head in the simulation of the starship crashing xD (11:34)

  • @tteot1wph
    @tteot1wph 4 года назад

    The bellyflop maneuver will be incredible to see!

  • @dosmastrify
    @dosmastrify 4 года назад +60

    Remember that there have there been various sci-fi shows where you have something that clones itself and it turns out badly?
    Yeah. Look at his shelves

    • @personzorz
      @personzorz 4 года назад +4

      Worse yet, they could be cubes

    • @st4rlightr4v3n4
      @st4rlightr4v3n4 4 года назад +3

      I think they're neat...

    • @R3bel02
      @R3bel02 4 года назад +1

      You're being rude man, not cool.

    • @dosmastrify
      @dosmastrify 4 года назад

      @@R3bel02 oh totally not my intention, just trying to be funny

    • @gordonlangell754
      @gordonlangell754 4 года назад +2

      Oh god, I just noticed that one is rotated 180° along it’s horizontal axis relative to the other

  • @keatoncampbell820
    @keatoncampbell820 4 года назад

    The design of those landing legs show 3 cool things:
    1) Optimization of build time, by using readily available parts and performing minimal operations, without switching tooling. Grab a channel section, drill a bunch of holes in it, mount to actuator.
    2) cost Optimization duh
    3) MVP! Minimum viable product, it is fast and cheap to make, performs job well and dependably, which facilitates rapid prototyping!
    Very cool indeed! The welds were amazing but also all hand done, likely TIG. I could go on for hours about how much I want to be a SpaceX welder. The beads they do on the starships high alloy stainless is reminiscent of the massive Saturn V thrusters, their bells which had to be manufactured layer by layer, each welded together.

  • @Sanskare
    @Sanskare 4 года назад +1

    So SpaceX uses lithobraking legs as well? Sweet. My KSP experience is useful once again! :P

  • @MichaelCox
    @MichaelCox 3 года назад +1

    I like that: "Rap Vac". Catchy.

  • @israelitenet
    @israelitenet 3 года назад

    Solution to header tank pressurization is to use large cylinders filled with fuel, and a piston pushing down on it, to feed the engines. Four of these arranged linearly in a circle, will do a perfect job, regardless of starship orientation.

  • @drrrrockzo
    @drrrrockzo 4 года назад +1

    Very cool stuff...i always assumed the space shuttle engines shook because of shear power involved making thier mounts oscillate.

  • @Ebonyqwe
    @Ebonyqwe 4 года назад +1

    Great topic choice, haven’t seen this discussed

  • @danwylie-sears1134
    @danwylie-sears1134 3 года назад +1

    NASA has its "in-space propulsion" facility (ISP: apparently wordplay on specific impulse, because second-stage and space-probe engines are optimized for high specific impulse) with a giant vacuum chamber to test vacuum-optimized engines in. Rather than choosing between that and testing at sea level, I would think that it might be better to build an ambient-pressure test facility at some high-altitude location.

  • @uCruz_
    @uCruz_ 3 года назад +1

    shit, we are on SN17 at this moment, the progress is impressive

  • @douggolde7582
    @douggolde7582 4 года назад +28

    Scott, please explain the various colors in the exhaust.

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins 4 года назад +9

      methane flames + the metal the engines are made of + various starting chemicals like TEB that burn green

    • @reactorfour1682
      @reactorfour1682 4 года назад +1

      Doug Golde Scott has a whole video on rocket exhausts.

    • @-danR
      @-danR 4 года назад +2

      blue: full combustion
      yellow, orange: incomplete combustion/fuel rich. This is the color of incandescent carbon.
      green: TEB boron

    • @thomasrow8357
      @thomasrow8357 4 года назад +10

      There's no TEB in raptor.

    • @GerardHammond
      @GerardHammond 4 года назад +3

      Thomas Row correct. Big spark plugs

  • @ravener96
    @ravener96 4 года назад +7

    gotta love exposing things to the surface of space

    • @kendokaaa
      @kendokaaa 4 года назад +1

      I wonder if we can land on it

  • @mikerichards6065
    @mikerichards6065 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for explaining this so clearly - any chance of a video about these vacuum engine test facilities? I'd love to know how they work and I'm sure there are some big numbers involved!

  • @chrismoule7242
    @chrismoule7242 3 года назад

    3:35 - being very picky here, but the singular is "a phenomenon" not "a phenomena", which is the plural form. As an ancient Greek geek as well as a space nerd, I like to get these things right, just as you do! Thank you for yet another great video - I am catching up on these gradually having only come on board to SpaceX last November...

  • @ridetilludie1
    @ridetilludie1 3 года назад

    7:42 ahhh I see where they got the sound for X-Plane starship alsooooo 7:42 < 42 alllll the wayyyyy good job raptor sn 42

  • @msbealo
    @msbealo 4 года назад

    I might be wrong but I think the throat diameter is more a function of static pressure within the reaction chamber and the need to accelerate the sub-sonic flow up to the speed of sound before they can accelerate it further using an expansion nozzle. Sub-sonic flow is accelerate by a contracting nozzle (throat) while super-sonic is accelerate by a diverging nozzle.
    Also, I think they can use a longer nozzle (space requirement allowing), it's the area of the exit that's most important, in relation to the area of nozzle inlet. Longer nozzle however would have higher frictional losses. However if they wanted to test a manufacturing process that required a longer nozzle, they could.

  • @sk3143
    @sk3143 2 года назад

    white coating should be YSZ thermal barrier coating. It is used to block heat flux from hot gas, and prevent oxidizing of nozzle material

  • @geraldmcginn
    @geraldmcginn 4 года назад

    When you where talking, I looked in the bottom left part of the screen, and saw a mini space shuttle Lego. I swear it looks like mine!

    • @geraldmcginn
      @geraldmcginn 4 года назад

      O, and also the truck looks like mine. I am a Lego fan. :)

  • @spooks196
    @spooks196 4 года назад

    Man, the urge to throw things into that rocket exhaust is high.

  • @craigcaffrey6134
    @craigcaffrey6134 4 года назад

    Another great video Scott. Thanks.

  • @bobqzzi
    @bobqzzi 4 года назад +1

    Love this channel. Great content

  • @caygill2
    @caygill2 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for covering @SpaceX without the fanboy perspective.

  • @PagsPayback
    @PagsPayback 4 года назад +1

    Hi, have you seen how the nozzle of the Vulcain is produced? The nozzle is also produced from a copper core with channels milled into it. But then the channels are filled with wax and a nickel jacket is galvanized onto the core. Don't know if other engines use a similar technique, but it is certainly interesting.

  • @Ryan-eu3kp
    @Ryan-eu3kp 4 года назад

    Great video mate, I'm learning alot