Nothing will ever top these old Faraday mechanical horns. We gotta keep em alive!! I love the mixture of the 450D's in there too lol, On both my demo panels thats exactly what I got up. 4010 has My 6120 on it, 4008 has the 450D with the VALS strobe. Both march time ofc. Both of these horns together are an unbeatable combo lol. What a beautiful 4002 panel btw. Wish I had one
I think the 9806 actually sounds better in 90 BPM. I prefer to hear a good 9838 or clean 4903 in 120-beat march time over a high pitched vibratone. Cool system nonetheless!!!
Yay! Same building on march time! My school fire alarm is Classic Simplex Bells + 4251-20 (located in my RUclips shorts.) (march time fire alarm system so simplex 4002)
So nice to see the old stuff still working. I’m guessing the panel was reprogrammed to do march 120. Retrofitted devices look kinda goofy though especially how they were mounted on the old light-plates. I’m also guessing the system is due for a major repair/upgrade because of the ground fault.
Ground faults are common even my system has had one. When I had it happen I isolated the zone and redid around 200ft of wire. The electrician who added pull stations back in 2003 was not careful as he put the wire into the pipes and some of the wire was damaged.
In my opinion, I think the installers should have used Gentex AVP plates with GMHs retrofitted on them to replace those 4050-80s. I just think it doesn’t look right retrofitting a newer device on an older strobe plate. But great test tho.
It's sad to see all those 4050-80s like that, hope they get saved if this system ever gets replaced. Also how loud was it in that gym being there appeared to be four horns?
Cool, but that broken Gms definitely needs to be written up and replaced because there’s no strobe and if someone was deaf, they could not see the strobe not only that, but there’s exposed wiring so It definitely needs to be replaced immediately #whatafirealarmfail big time and #notuptocode
This is a great system, but for any learners watching, it’s not being tested properly. Testing smoke detectors by using a magnet does NOT satisfy the NFPA 72 requirement. To functionally test a smoke detector, you must introduce particles into the chamber to simulate combustion. The accepted way to do so is to use an aerosol canned smoke that is UL-listed and not petroleum-based. Magnet testing as shown here just shorts the contacts. This is a cheap shortcut used by unqualified individuals/companies. That sets a very bad example.
In our jurisdiction using any UL listed method of testing is accepted. Since the magnet test was UL listed it works. It is true though that other places require smoke testing and in cases where magnet testing isn’t available we use smoke
@@FourtyFiftyEighty friendly challenge: show or cite me in NFPA 72 where it says magnet testing is an acceptable means for a functional test of a smoke detector.
@@FourtyFiftyEighty your “jurisdiction“ is not allowed to override NFPA regulations. The AHJ can enforce more stringent requirements, but are not able to allow less than what is required. I also assume that you have read the specifications and manufacturers instructions for Simplex detectors and are familiar with what those acceptable means for testing are for that type detector, correct?
I work as an assistant essentially and I do what I am told and that is the reason they gave me for why magnet testing is allowed. I’m not going to argue with my supervisor on how we do testing. I can ask again if you want but that is why it was done this way
My general rule of the thumb is if there’s a break rod I key and if not I pull. However I was really nervous and jumpy for this video cause it was the first test of the day and it was rare so I ended up keying more than I usually do
Nothing will ever top these old Faraday mechanical horns. We gotta keep em alive!! I love the mixture of the 450D's in there too lol, On both my demo panels thats exactly what I got up. 4010 has My 6120 on it, 4008 has the 450D with the VALS strobe. Both march time ofc. Both of these horns together are an unbeatable combo lol. What a beautiful 4002 panel btw. Wish I had one
4:01 my favorite horn
It reminds of an old telephone busy signal.
I love these vintage fire alarms and their March time!
If there’s one thing that tickles my fancy, it’s definitely old Simplex mechanical horns doing March time!
wtf
The Youngstown industrial and labor museum has the same exact system but with 2903's only. OSFA would love this!
I think the 9806 actually sounds better in 90 BPM. I prefer to hear a good 9838 or clean 4903 in 120-beat march time over a high pitched vibratone. Cool system nonetheless!!!
Awesome 4002, I love the 2 bay models!
No you don’t Logan
It’s a 3 bay 🤓
I really love how they’re in March time I could see dancers dancing to these alarms
Nice seeing this place again!
My favorite thing about 120bpm on the 4002 is that it beeps in march time as well when the system is in alarm.
Yay! Same building on march time! My school fire alarm is Classic Simplex Bells + 4251-20 (located in my RUclips shorts.) (march time fire alarm system so simplex 4002)
Same place I saw on the other video with the ones that were on continuous mode, great video with the March time!
So nice to see the old stuff still working. I’m guessing the panel was reprogrammed to do march 120. Retrofitted devices look kinda goofy though especially how they were mounted on the old light-plates. I’m also guessing the system is due for a major repair/upgrade because of the ground fault.
Ground faults are common even my system has had one. When I had it happen I isolated the zone and redid around 200ft of wire. The electrician who added pull stations back in 2003 was not careful as he put the wire into the pipes and some of the wire was damaged.
Let’s gooooooooooo!!
Im looking forward to this. Marchtime is always the best.
I ordered one of those 2903s today actually i wanted one for a while
Was the school built in the early/mid 80s?
Also I like the gentex GHS Horn strobes in march time
if those were light plates it would be perfect
In my opinion, I think the installers should have used Gentex AVP plates with GMHs retrofitted on them to replace those 4050-80s. I just think it doesn’t look right retrofitting a newer device on an older strobe plate. But great test tho.
0:29 , 3:51 that’s a weird but cool looking alarm
I didnt know simplex 2903 9001 could have a strobe
The 9806's and the GMS's are back.
Do you pull the pull stations that don't have the glass rod and open those that have it instead of pulling them ?
4:45 me to
It's sad to see all those 4050-80s like that, hope they get saved if this system ever gets replaced. Also how loud was it in that gym being there appeared to be four horns?
not loud at all
any 4051s and those horns sounded good and abit raspy
There is a single 4051 on the system, along with a System Sensor MASS. Those alarms however, were not shown in this video.
Not often you see those old systems anymore
The good old 2903's and gms
It will be cool if those alarms were on Code 3
1:42 you shouldn’t pee on pull stations
3:20 it did pick up the flash
Sounds Like A Car Horn Beepin
Is this the school that has at least one 4051 in the band room?
How can they get away with that?
System has the original 4002. I would guess it stayed on March time, or it was put on March time specifically for this video.
march time
some are so different with the tone some are high some are super low
Cool, but that broken Gms definitely needs to be written up and replaced because there’s no strobe and if someone was deaf, they could not see the strobe not only that, but there’s exposed wiring so It definitely needs to be replaced immediately #whatafirealarmfail big time and #notuptocode
If you wanna pay for the replacement go ahead. If the customer doesn’t want to pay for it we can’t replace it
Pipe down
why is the 4050 80 strobes not working
isnt that the same building from test 7
0:32 I’m sorry, is that an SHG on a 4050-80?
Its a GMH, aka the horn-only version of the GMS
@@bruh3120 No it's a GMS with the strobe unattached
@@bruh3120ah
This is a great system, but for any learners watching, it’s not being tested properly.
Testing smoke detectors by using a magnet does NOT satisfy the NFPA 72 requirement. To functionally test a smoke detector, you must introduce particles into the chamber to simulate combustion. The accepted way to do so is to use an aerosol canned smoke that is UL-listed and not petroleum-based.
Magnet testing as shown here just shorts the contacts.
This is a cheap shortcut used by unqualified individuals/companies.
That sets a very bad example.
In our jurisdiction using any UL listed method of testing is accepted. Since the magnet test was UL listed it works. It is true though that other places require smoke testing and in cases where magnet testing isn’t available we use smoke
@@FourtyFiftyEighty friendly challenge: show or cite me in NFPA 72 where it says magnet testing is an acceptable means for a functional test of a smoke detector.
As I said in our jurisdiction the fire Marshall approved magnet testing. This was what I was told when I was asked
@@FourtyFiftyEighty your “jurisdiction“ is not allowed to override NFPA regulations. The AHJ can enforce more stringent requirements, but are not able to allow less than what is required.
I also assume that you have read the specifications and manufacturers instructions for Simplex detectors and are familiar with what those acceptable means for testing are for that type detector, correct?
I work as an assistant essentially and I do what I am told and that is the reason they gave me for why magnet testing is allowed. I’m not going to argue with my supervisor on how we do testing. I can ask again if you want but that is why it was done this way
Why does this look like my old middle school? Lol
Why always key activate and never actually pull them?
He literally pulled the first handful in the video
My general rule of the thumb is if there’s a break rod I key and if not I pull. However I was really nervous and jumpy for this video cause it was the first test of the day and it was rare so I ended up keying more than I usually do
Oh, okay. @@FourtyFiftyEighty
@@officialsimplexguy I didn't see.
@@FourtyFiftyEighty why are the gms, are on the 4050-80 light plate, quite few of them.