High Feed Milling 4140 Steel

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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
  • High Feed Milling Demo using Mil-Tec's High Feed Freedom Cutter
    Material: 4140 Annealed
    Mazak VCN510C Vertical Mill
    Chips are a beautiful blue color
    All the smoke you're seeing is hot chips hitting cold cutting oil

Комментарии • 65

  • @sommzz
    @sommzz 6 лет назад +6

    All these arm chair critics probably run Haas TM1's on aluminum all day. You bored a big freakin hole through some steel and it worked great by the looks of it. Good job

    • @FranktheDachshund
      @FranktheDachshund 6 лет назад

      Derek Sommer a big freakin hole through some hard high carbon steel!

    • @jonathanwilkof8984
      @jonathanwilkof8984 5 лет назад

      Thanks Derek! It worked great and have done it many times since.

  • @stmboat
    @stmboat 5 лет назад +1

    I love the smell of hot pre hardened steel

    • @jonathanwilkof8984
      @jonathanwilkof8984 5 лет назад +1

      Thanks Steamboat! The part was actually cool to the touch. The chips were pretty toasty though!

    • @Machineman30000
      @Machineman30000 Год назад

      The idea is to let the heat leave with the chip and the part stays relatively cool, and the inserts don’t burn up prematurely.

  • @sleiger8855
    @sleiger8855 9 лет назад +3

    i need 2 days to mill something like that at work, with a old deckel fp4 o.O

  • @user-xw6ig1yr6q
    @user-xw6ig1yr6q 4 года назад +1

    WOW

  • @seimela
    @seimela 2 года назад

    This is inspiring

  • @Dave-vu4sx
    @Dave-vu4sx 8 лет назад

    If it were me I would add additional air blasting around the perimeter of that tool to get those chips out. Are you running air blast through the tool in this video? I would setup the machine to do that as well if you aren't already.

  • @hotpepper6132
    @hotpepper6132 9 лет назад

    Very interesting videos, thank you, perhaps you guys could add more?

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  9 лет назад

      Thanks for watching our videos! We're working on some new ones including hard turning, and small hole drilling. Please subscribe to our channel to be notified when they're posted.

  • @xavier8351
    @xavier8351 2 года назад

    What SFM are you using, chipload, etc?

  • @troutbum8699
    @troutbum8699 8 лет назад

    If the machine can handle just go buy a komet drill. They make them up to 82mm. We use a 2.0625 diameter drill to pound a hole through 6" of 304. Running it about 425rpm at .0035 a rev.

    • @jonathanwilkof8984
      @jonathanwilkof8984 5 лет назад

      That's awesome troutbum86! What kind of horsepower do you have that runs that tool?

    • @frp1276
      @frp1276 5 лет назад

      15ish hp and 180lbft

    • @seimela
      @seimela 2 года назад

      Mill better than drill

  • @snowman7672
    @snowman7672 4 года назад

    Hell yeah

  • @BrianFyhnPetersen
    @BrianFyhnPetersen 9 лет назад

    It was a relief when all the chips finally fell through the bottom of hole! How feasible would it be to drill holes (with through coolant) around the circumference with say 90% overlap and let the chunk pop down? Nice video :-)

    • @Limosical
      @Limosical 9 лет назад

      +Brian Petersen wouldn't through coolant be useless then?

    • @BrianFyhnPetersen
      @BrianFyhnPetersen 9 лет назад

      +Limosical Absolutely not. To release the chunk of steel, you need to drill all the holes through the entire block.

    • @Limosical
      @Limosical 9 лет назад

      Brian Petersen isn't the idea of through coolant to have back pressure to push the chips back up into the flute to cool the tip and remove chips or have i been thinking about it wrong? you wouldn't pilot for a through coolant drill, because it's terrible for your drill, why doesn't the same apply to already having a hole 90% there.

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  9 лет назад +3

      +Brian Petersen Dropping out chucks of material has never worked well for us. All too often they way they drop causes the chuck to get wedged in place and then bind against the tool causing the tool/cutter to get destroyed.

    • @BrianFyhnPetersen
      @BrianFyhnPetersen 9 лет назад

      +StarkIndustrial Good point. I'm glad you did tell about your personal experience for reasons not to use that approach.

  • @ipadize
    @ipadize 9 лет назад

    did you wrote a stop in the program or can you stop the cycle and start it again whenever you want if chips dont get out?

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  9 лет назад +1

      Thanks for asking! We wrote this program to machine 1.5" down and then retract to allow for chip removal. We can also put the machine in feed hold mode at any time and open the door to clear out the chips.

    • @jlw1911
      @jlw1911 8 лет назад

      It's a Mazak, he can TPS and move from mid cut, flip inserts, blow chips and green button back to running. Nice vid, I love feed mills.

  • @JoseAyalaVazquez-cr9hb
    @JoseAyalaVazquez-cr9hb 6 лет назад

    I can not imagine if he touched that cutting head with the finger 😱

  • @Yamaprilia
    @Yamaprilia 8 лет назад

    i could see that burning the tips out. theres just too many chips flying around in there.
    id lift if every 10mm or so and clear it out myself

  • @ipadize
    @ipadize 9 лет назад +1

    how hot was the cutter and raw stock? :D

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  9 лет назад

      Both were pretty warm, but that is a result of how long the cutter was engaged in the cut. If you were to simply face the top of the part, you would have not problem putting your hand on the part right away. Next time we do one of these types of videos I'll use our infrared thermometer to get a reading. Please subscribe to our channel to see future videos.

  • @Icutmetal
    @Icutmetal 9 лет назад

    What's your downfeed per revolution / ramping angle? Feed per tooth & SFM?

  • @Felix-sv3sm
    @Felix-sv3sm 7 лет назад

    Is there any other option than stop the machine to clear the chips?

    • @jonathanwilkof8984
      @jonathanwilkof8984 7 лет назад

      Hi Felix! Additional air lines from the top and on the underside between the vices would be a big help. If this was done on a horizontal machining center, chip evacuation wouldn't be an issue.

    • @Felix-sv3sm
      @Felix-sv3sm 7 лет назад

      Jonathan Wilkof thank you for the answer!

    • @monelfunkawitz3966
      @monelfunkawitz3966 7 лет назад +1

      Through spindle air.

  • @yasirh2004
    @yasirh2004 3 года назад

    Whats the spindle size

  • @Rns22250
    @Rns22250 9 лет назад +1

    What sfm and fpt

  • @Fischer977
    @Fischer977 9 лет назад

    would this tool fit a delicate spindles like on haas?

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  9 лет назад

      +Fischer977 A high feed mill is a great tool for lower power machines like a Haas. As with any machien tool you need to be careful about the cutter diameter you're running. The bigger the cutter, the more horse power you'll need, but because nearly all the cutting force is directed back up into the spindle, your Haas should perform well.

  • @beautyandhealth8206
    @beautyandhealth8206 Год назад

    Use coolant

  • @elsunshine9976
    @elsunshine9976 7 лет назад

    how much power do i need to machine steel?

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  7 лет назад +1

      One of the great advantages of high feed milling is that less power is required compared to using a milling cutter with a square shoulder. Still there are a lot of variables. Cutter diameter, material, insert, cutting conditions all play into it. In the video we are using a Mazak VCN-510C with 25 HP spindle. You can be successful with 20 or even 15HP, but you may have to stick with smaller cutters. We like Walter Cutting Tools, but most major tooling manufacturers will have high feed cutters. You should request that one of their techs come in with a test cutter to help get you started. They should do this for free.

    • @stexxvan
      @stexxvan 5 лет назад

      Such an question xD

    • @dylan7129
      @dylan7129 4 года назад

      less than aluminum generally. its more a torque problem because the rpms are generally low and way down on the power curve of the spindle. smaller cuters can utilize more horse power beacuse they can cut at higher rpms. for example 0.5 endmill with a 12% stepover runs 6600 rpm at 140 ipm. a 2 inch high feed mill will let you reach way down but your rpm is more like 1200 to 1400. Modern coatings cant handle the heat of cutting steel like aluminum. The most important things for cutting steel are setup rigidity and cutter rigidity. remember cutter stiffness is a cubic function so for every one times D you add you lose 3 times the stiffness for a given diameter.

  • @horseshoe182
    @horseshoe182 7 лет назад +3

    why no coolant?

    • @StarkIndustrial
      @StarkIndustrial  7 лет назад +11

      horseshoe182, in most face milling and high feed milling roughing operations coolant is not used and actually decreases insert life. The coating on the inserts requires high heat to transform to a harder ceramic. To get the high heat no coolant is used. When the speeds and feeds are correct, all the heat goes in the chip and the part is cool to the touch.

    • @Duschbag
      @Duschbag 5 лет назад +1

      Thermal shock caused by the Coolant cooling the Insert as it leaves the cut only for it to immediately be heated up again as it re-enters the cut over and over and over will cause premature insert failure on Interupted cuts often seen in Milling Applications. Turning not so much. And I agree that All Manufacturers Insert Grades are so advanced that many work fine without coolant. Just have a ton of high pressure air to clear chips to reduce recutting them and you can do well in many materials.

  • @jeangade5809
    @jeangade5809 8 лет назад

    ups.
    just a dru run ya.

  • @HolzDennis
    @HolzDennis 4 года назад +2

    That is everything but not High Speed Cutting... or High Feed Milling...

  • @Giuseppe02081985
    @Giuseppe02081985 8 лет назад

    Tanto vale usare una fresa con placchette rotonde, qui addirittura c'è già il pre-foro

    • @jonathanwilkof8984
      @jonathanwilkof8984 7 лет назад

      Guiseppe, Una fresa con un inserto rotondo funziona anche in questa applicazione, ma è necessario per ridurre la velocità di avanzamento. Utilizzando gli inserti di avanzamento elevate massimizza il processo.

  • @johnnyblack7445
    @johnnyblack7445 5 лет назад

    Faster then a Bridgeport , ,take a good peck .100 more

  • @Ka3aHoBa499
    @Ka3aHoBa499 4 года назад

    Инструмент вообще не удивил

  • @simomoriggi6223
    @simomoriggi6223 9 лет назад +1

    It would be better in a horiz ;)

    • @pyro8818ak47
      @pyro8818ak47 9 лет назад

      Not without out air, trust me I welded chips to the holder cuttin on a boring mill be cause the air shut off

    • @jonathanwilkof8984
      @jonathanwilkof8984 5 лет назад

      Agreed that a horizontal always helps with chip evacuation, but you have to work with what you've got.

  • @Jszyndlar-CNC_Krok_po_Kroku
    @Jszyndlar-CNC_Krok_po_Kroku 8 лет назад +10

    Hifead? nice joke.

    • @Icutmetal
      @Icutmetal 7 лет назад +7

      Jszyndlar "Hifead?" Nice spelling.

  • @vepurianeesh
    @vepurianeesh 9 лет назад

    why don't just drill bigger u drill and bore the hole if its accurate,for me it looks stupid what you doing.finish looks worst and time you spending if use u drill you can easily finish two.

    • @Icutmetal
      @Icutmetal 9 лет назад +6

      Only to you does it look dumb. How many boring passes would it take? How big of drill can you productively run? It's ALL about metal removal rate; however you get that number depends on a lot of variables.

    • @Zkkr429
      @Zkkr429 7 лет назад +1

      If this is a sub con job the price of a u drill would probably be more than the job. Helical bore milling is a great machining strategy for all types of holes that you can use your existing tooling to generate the varied requirements of multiple jobs.