What I find so sad is that no one has said, Pastor Robert we forgive you. Just in case we have forgotten, the blood of Jesus cover ALL sin, not some, ALL!!! Even a statement from Cindy saying she forgives him would be a powerful display of the grace and mercy that comes from the cross. I say all this as one who understands this experience intimately because I was molested as a little boy by a 14 year old girl and then by my stepfather for several years. I never saw him again after it was exposed, but I chose to forgive him, and through that forgiveness, God healed my heart.
@@laurykristensen6239 people need to understand the cross, forgiveness if you webt to Jesus after you repented and began to talk about ihai sin to Kim He would say what sin He would not even remember it He forgave.
Evans's only concern is that his books were removed, so he couldn't count on the congregations' huge purchasing power. I am a 20-year member of Gateway and am stunned that so few of the pastors are focused on piling on Robert but have no concern for the congregants. We are hurting, but the only Pastors who have helped us deal with this massive heartache are Yoakim Lundquist, Max Lucedo, and Levi Lusko. Jimmy Evans enjoyed the massive church Gateway has become, but he did nothing to grow the church; Joyce Meyer used to come to Gateway twice a year to get a free recording studio, yet she dropped out of her speaking commitment for this summer (and her own story would be so helpful to our congregation). Gateway church will continue to gather because we worship Jesus Christ, not Robert Morris. Please pray for our Elders and for the hurting members of Gateway.
Joyce Meyer failed to report her rapist father even though she knew he was raping a neighbor and over the many years before he dies probably numerous others. Her husband knew, her ministry board knew. She is an enabler of a pedophile and guilty of grave sins. Many preachers use spiritual language to excuse themselves and others.
I pray for Gateway church❤😢❤ God is close to those that weep, You will be comforted and restored and full of the joy from God❤ He is a great mender of broken hearts🙏 I know Joakim and Maria is called for a tie like this - they have been handling church crisis earlier on - they are strong in The Lord, they love Jesus more than their own lives❤ You will be good, restored and healed❤🙏 Give it time ❤❤❤
Thank you sharing this and sharing which Pastors have been available to care for congregation. Very tough and painful for you and congregation. Will be lifting u up in prayer.much love in Christ Jesus, Australia ❤❤
Sorry I have lost respect for Jimmy Evans and Joni for that scandal involving Doug Weiss. I have to pray for forgiveness don't like feeling the way i do . There was a time when i wouldn't miss an episode of table talk but its hard for me to believe she is sincere. Not the same since Jonathan and Suzy are no longer there.
Exactly, GOD will Judge but He said we are to know the fruits. Her taking Doug Weiss, I was speaking out against before their marriage! I even called the ministry and Jimmy Evans and told them how this was so wrong but no one said a thing! Sorry but she was even dressed slutty for having a "platform of ministry". This was sick! I also believe it should be checked to be sure Marcus really passed of illness!! This all seems evil!
too many of us look up to these men and when this happens we feel let down, a grim reminder that we all need to look up to God alone and follow the word of God the Bible and put all faith in the Lord Jesus only, men will let us down and not even mean to, God will always be faithful to us if we are in return .
@CameliaKay9804 I wondered same. I think I have an idea and you probably do also! I quit watching as soon as I started knowing some things. My opinion, when I find out people are fake, I just know it's GOD showing me TRUTH. He said Pray for Wisdom, Knowledge and to see and not through scales on our eyes! Just bc we may want to believe good about someone, doesn't mean it is! It also doesn't make someone good just cause some refuse to see truth!
@@johnwright689, so true, but not all of us are out there preaching Gods Word. They are held to a higher standard. You cant talk out both sides of your mouth. Counseling and preaching one thing by saying it’s wrong and then when it comes up, you say it’s ok and justify it.
Jimmy Evans officiated the wedding of Joni Lamb and her new husband. Evans insinuated that Weiss was in an "emotionally abusive" marriage. Hmm, but Weiss and his ex still co-own their marriage/relationship counseling center. I lost respect for Jimmy Evans as he sold out to the Joni empire.
@@WARRIORBRIDE16 while I understand your comment I don’t understand why we as Christians and part of the same body don’t read our Bibles... this is our manual which we base our lives on which clearly states “ we are to judge those in the body but not the “world”.... we are to judge righteously.. not according to the flesh. My
@@carolvanrooyen2488 your placing judgement on a marriage that you were not a part of!! You have no idea what truly went on between those two people. You don't know the truth! You don't know that what has been said is a lie and when it turns out it is not a lie there was nothing that was done wrong by anyone except those who want to stick their nose where it doesn't belong and place judgement. God will sort it out not you!
As soon as I heard she was marrying Doug😢I unsubscribed from her channel! She must be SO deceived to marry a man who divorced his wife for just falling out of love with her😢I’m so glad to be a single divorced woman 😋I can get married again as my ex committed adultery 😢but JESUS is my ONLY True Husband 🤗✝️💞
@@enjoyboogie7786I can just imagine you telling John the Baptist to mind his own business after he told Herod Antipas he is in adultery with Philip's wife
You’re a good son… I was saved by grace but unfortunately can be a bad judge,God forgive me.Maybe your on to something new,a new door ,a more transparent way of having church.Humility before honour.God first loved us,we all need to remember we came from.And hopefully where we’re going.❤
If Evans knew Gateway was “dishonest and toxic”and he took the title of spiritual leader he had a duty to protect the sheep in that church. He knew the sheep were in danger but abandoned them.
@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimone When a church leadership is toxic to the core - you are on a hiding to nothing. Trust me. I have been there as a pastor. I have ended up resigning and asked myself those hard questions also, but the whole church denomination had the elders in a position where they would be in control and a pastor would be sacrificed rather than upset even a known sick embedded eldership. The denomination's own words not mine for the specific church. It has no pastor to this day and chaos ensues.
That's so very true and he went after Joni when her husband passed away, Joni is a very well off .EVEN HER SON AND DAUGHTER INLAW HAVE LEFT THE DAYSTAR BUSINESS. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY HONEST ABOUT WHY THEY LEFT .HIS MOTHER AND SISTERS CHOSE DOUG OVER THE SON THAT WAS SO CLOSE TO HIS FATHER .JOHNATHAN WAS TO TAKE OVER FROM HIS FATHER .
What was Joni thinking????? I unsubscribed from her show! Also Jimmy Evans told Joni it was fine to marry that sleaze bag😢so Evans gave Joni consent, that is SO DISGUSTING 🤮 what is wrong with these Christians in high places, they seem to be so deceived 😢@@karenhansen-zachow4032
Marcus also had his dalliance some years ago Yet people send these charlatans $....sex, power, money, million $ parsonage. All through Bible twisting. Robert Morris had bad doctrine... prosperity pimp. The Lord took him down......it was inevitable.
A pastor who’s committed sexual sin especially as egregious as child molestation is forever disqualified from ministry especially being in a teaching or pastoral position. Why don’t church leaders stick to what scripture says regarding the qualifications for pastor?
I'm just thinking about my decision-making process at 20 and some of my friends and family members' behavior at 20. I'm not excusing it, but I do think sometimes, there, by the grace of God, go I.
I am so sad that the church turned on Morris like ravenous wolves. Yes what he did was wrong, however in my opinion, the church could’ve ministered to Morris in forgiveness and council him. Yes he should’ve stepped down. My heart goes out to his son James. Let he who is sinless cast the first stone. It’s just heartbreaking.
How come Debbie Morris isn't charged with covering her husband's sin of abusing a child? Her husband with a 12 yr. Old child? what GOD does Debbie Morris serve? And Robert still sleeps beside Debbie at night. Gross.😢
@vickiesquire8659 Please try to behave as though this was your own husband… I have. It’s not quite as black and white as you think. Before you say “Oh yes, it is!”, consider this as your own: He has a huge ministry affecting the entire world, your entire family;everything will crumble. Then, picture yourself walking into a police station, your heart pounding out of your chest , almost throwing up, your feet, your body telling you to run… don’t you think a huge dose of mercy is due to this lady. Do you REALLY think this is HER story to tell?
@CherRN3 true. But a little girl. That's heartless an her parents should have jailed him so they are remiss also fr what to protect th church robert an not their child. Disgusting
@@vickiesquire8659 He wasn't wealthy when it occurred. Most women would leave a man behaving like that. Some don't, and find it easier to blame the victim
@@sarahconnor4757 I don't...tired of seeing sons on pastor dad's 'gravy train'..seems is to further enrich themselves and protect others from learning how much mega money actually comes in regularly.
I don't believe they were speaking about Robert and James; rather James and Bridgette leading another church in the future. Remember James and Bridgette did NOTHING wrong. But I agree with them stepping down from Gateway to give Gateway and the congregation to recover.
I'm sorry, but folks attended Gateway because of pastor Robert. Lest we forget it was 35 years ago, I was not there--we were not there--so we cannot speculate what was stated. Or forgiven nor resolved. Why now?? only God knows the motives behind this travesty. That said, let's be honest, James Morris may be a good and Godly man, but a speaker and preacher HE IS NOT. I've heard him 3 times over the last year, and literally got very sad and distressed knowing he was set to take over the reins. I for one, am thankful as a 7 days a week x2 daily watcher and listener of this ministry. My heart is broken and hurting for them and the whole as a church & ministry.❤️🙏🙌💔 and pray for peace, forgiveness and healing restoration---- and know through this all--- GOD IS STILL GOD.
@@delenad2710 You are right; many of us attended Gateway Church because of Robert Morris. He is a gifted speaker and teacher. But he always taught us that Jesus is our focus, and our worship was always for Him. I don't regret the 20 years of love and learning I experienced at Gateway Church. What he did in his early years before starting Gateway was wrong, but he did have an amazing ministry after that. And because of the favor of God that was on Gateway, I have to believe Robert repented and was forgiven by God. Please pray for Gateway Church and the Morris family.
I am sorry about the misunderstanding. I was referring to moral failures in general. What Robert did was a sin and a crime. This should be handled very seriously
@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimone little girls and boys are playful, they love to romp and play cause they are kids and being cuddled so much by mom and dad sometimes they may even jump on a strangers (outsiders) lap. If that outsider) mans mind is not right with God, he might get wrong signals or have sinful desires and take advantage of a child. The child being innocent might go along with what they consider being cuddled. This is a very horrible thing, as it will affect negatively the childs emotional life forever. A friend had an uncle who he hadn't seen in years come to visit. My friend had a daughter of 4 yrs. The uncle picked up the little girl and put her on his lap. He started to tickle her, making her laugh so much. We all got very uncomfortable cause the 50 yr. uncle wouldn't stop, he had a strange look in his eyes. My dad jumped out of his chair and pulled the little girl out of the uncles arms. Dad told my friend "Don't ever let your uncle come close to your lil girl or son (3 yrs)." Years later my friend found out his uncle had been sexually abusing his oldest daughter since she was a child. My friend came over and thanked my dad. This uncle and other sickos should be arrested and put to hard labor breaking rocks in the Arizona desert for the rest of their life. The uncle yrs. later died a horrible death, he ran a red light and was struck by an 18 wheeler on drivers door. God is not mocked.
Why would you give weight to what Jimmy Evans says? He encouraged and approved the marriage of Joni Lamb and Doug Weiss when Doug didn't appear to have Biblical grounds for his divorce. All they said was he had been in an "abandonment" situation. That seems pretty flimsy to me.
He counseled with them for a full year before he married them what more do you want? He may have further details that they prefer remain private! I'm not aware of Doug's ex-wife complaining about his remarriage? Just judgemental Christians who only know in part!
What I’m saying is that if there were a Biblical reason for Doug’s divorce it seems it would have been stated in order to avoid this perception. I don’t want the gory details but if you’re going to divorce and remarry to someone as public as Joni Lamb, you’ve got to expect that people are going to want to know that it is following what the Bible teaches. On top of that it was a big showy affair with Joni wearing the white gown , etc., things that are normally done at your first wedding. I realize many other women are doing the same thing but again, in this situation, the better choice would have been to had a tasteful, still elegant but smaller ceremony , not producing a full blown video when one of the party was a newly divorced person who made a career giving marriage advice.
@@terrylerickson849Ever consider the rug got pulled right out from Lisa feet. Furthermore Both Joni and Marcus interviewed Doug and Lisa on Daystar and Doug stated their marriage was solid and they would never divorce and Lisa agreed with that statement.
I quit watching Jimmy evans a few years back. There were a few warning signs that I noticed with him. Especially when he was on table talk with Joni. I pray that God will expose more and more people who are leading people astray.
I’ve been married for 37 years but don’t look down on people divorced. I think each divorce situation needs to be judged specific and not a broad brush applied across the board.
Totally agree with you. Until a person has been in a horrific situation in their marriage, they don't understand. The details of Dr. Weiss divorce is only the business of those closest to him.
True, Divorce is not the unpardonable sin, yet it does Biblically disqualify a person from leadership roles in the ministry of the Church of Jesus Christ.
@user-lf2hp9mi9r But the purpose of why someone marries someone like he did, makes ya wonder the intentions! And All the aspects of the whole thing, to me, smells of Rot.
You know what this shows me about Robert Morris is Instead of running and hiding his face for shame, he's looking to get back in church again, he's got an ego. That's unbelievable.!!!
you could be correct churches are ran so much like corporations anymore and so many pastors have a board of people telling him what to teach and not too are to say are not to preachers are to mind the lord and preach what the holy spirit leads them and not cave in when and not teach the Truth. we don't pay are pastor so I think that is a good thing I also think its so important to find a good local church because we keep seeing over and over a lot of this mega churches TV pastors and internet preachers getting caught up in this stuff. and when you do a little looking around you find out they live in 3 and 4 million dollar homes and have huge bank accounts kinda makes me wonder, I know it takes money to live on and run churches however maybe we could be deceived by them, I do like Jimmy and watch him and it does sadden me hearing about the marriage he endorsed I pray the man is ok with the lord just like I pray for myself and family. we maybe need to focus on Jesus more and not these men, we all have sinned against God and all have fallen short of his glory, that's why I love my little local church and I praise the Lord for it Amen
He didn't just mess up, he committed a crime against a child, but a long-term assault of a child. Yes, forgiveness is his in Christ, but there is a price to pay in our society by law. I am indignant that the church is so willing to forget that he should pay the price for his crime.
I feel so badly for Robert’s family they are punished for his past sin now because it wasn’t dealt with properly. Unfair to his children and grandkids, plus the humiliation of it.
He should have thought of his wife (who, incidentally, has been part of the cover-up for years!) and the family he has personally destroyed while he pleasured himself by destroying a child's life! Far from repenting, he denied it until he was caught & exposed! This is what happens when churches are run as a lucrative family business for personal gain!
Had it been dealt with properly he would have been in jail and never ever would have been in the ministry. They would have been impacted by that as well.
Pastors of large churches love to compare themselves to being a CEO. The only reason there's pressure is because they've created a beast that has to be financed.
Robert Morris is biblically disqualified to be a Pastor permanently. The Bible says a pastor must be ABOVE REPROACH. 1 Timothy 3:2 God can forgive him, but Robert Morris should never be a church leader ever again. Of course it's a terrible legacy for his family who should not be held responsible, but unfortunately, the sins of the father do impact the children and family.
Not only did Morris did wrong, What about his wife calling that little twelve year old girl a jezebel! I want to tell you I have no use for any of these pastors I go to bible studies and you're a very accountable!! These pastors have too much money and too much power, They don't know what to do with it.. They are not humble at all!!
So here is something I struggle with daily. If you have serious answers, I'd love to hear from you. This abuse (and yes, it is abuse) was done 3 years BEFORE Robert Morris started his church. Rather than wondering who knew, let's think about WHO really knew what went on and the heart of everyone involved. Why would God not only allow Robert back into the ministry, but to be so highly favored that he could be a major part in growing a megachurch of believers. You can say that Robert duped his congregation and didn't repent of the full story, but if he didn't repent to God, how is it that 3 years later, God blessed him and his church so much?
@djheindel i think a better question would be why didn't he come clean on his own previously? He clearly tried to minimize what happened over the last 30 years. God is longsuffering. But time was up.
And if it was brought to any leader or teacher…it was their duty to report it to the authorities. If true repentance was there, the perpetrator should turn himself in to the authorities!
I don't believe Robert Morris resigning from Gateway is "justice" for Cindy Clemenshire and her family. What he did was a criminal offense and there needs to be restitution made to his victim. Yes, Roberts stepping down is some relief for Cindy in her lifelong and ongoing battle to recover from her abuse, but it is NOT justice served!
Hold up! Justice hasn’t been served to Robert Morris until he pays for his CRIMES against Cindy. Predators should be behind bars. Simply being removed from ministry is not FULL justice. But it’s one step closer… Thank you for this revealing video. It’s the first time I’ve heard about Jimmy Evan’s statement regarding Gateway’s toxic leadership. Thanks for the time and effort you put into exposing the truth for us!!
How could he pay for his crimes against Cindy at this point? Since he won't face criminal charges at this point? I do believe Cindy is owed, some financial compensation
I agree however think about it I don't believe pastors get Social Security and both him and his wife being the age that they are if they can't make a living now that being the only way that they ever did support themselves what do they do now and their old age absolutely every bit of income is Stripped Away that would be pretty big punishment especially if they lose their house and cars and all the money that they have made through that Ministry. They said that when this broke he was on a hundred thousand dollar yacht in Greece which I'm sure the tithes and offerings of his faithful Gateway supporters helped pay for that's pretty big consequences and Punishment in itself. Not to mention the embarrassment and ridicule of him even leaving the house everyone knowing who he is. I am so glad I am not in his shoes.
Thank you for your teaching today. I’m interested in how Gateway Church will handle this situation for years to come. Pastor Robert Morris should not be so important to the members of Gateway Church that the church folds because of his sins. They must forgive him then move forward with a new pastor, get Morris out of their hair. I hope and pray that they will get through this. Please remember them in prayer.
@@nitahicks6936 They are moving on and will be looking for a new lead pastor. In the meantime, there is two interim pastors teaching at least until the end of the year.
I am not a member nor watch Gateway Church. I have chosen to forgive Robert Morris , Jimmy Evans, and everyone else per the comments below. It’s not worth my soul, and I want God to forgive me of my sins. As far as divorce, I don’t believe in it and God doesn’t either. God doesn’t believe in a whole lot of things that we are all guilty of. How can one remain married to someone who is sexually abusing the children, committing adultery most the time, physically abusive most of the time? The covenant has been broken when such things are done! We all want God’s Grace, mercy and forgiveness in our own lives, but we don’t want to extend it to others and some don’t want God to forgive others either
@@57andstillkicking sometimes seeking out the truth takes way more energy & cognitive dissonance can ve a hard pill to swallow....so it's just easier to say I forgive.
I am not a member of Gateway Church as well, but I have got some of his books and Cds. Only God forgives a person when he repents .I guess we are all spectators and is not our responsibility to forgive.
I have heard Cindy Cleminshire say she contacted many people in church leadership but was rebuffed everytime. Is it possible to produce a list of the ministers that rebuffed her?
I understand why she didn't say anything before. I was molested as a child and pushed it out of my mind. When I was older I started drinking and doing other things, back in 2017 all my memories come flooding back. It's hard to go thru that as a child but even you get older and bring it up is always our fault. So I understand her and will be praying for her, God has brought me a long way since then. Men need to think about what that's gonna do so to the child before they mess up their whole life...
@@johnbrodnik839 Are you asking if I would go where Robert Morris preaches in the future? No, I would not go where Robert preaches. Robert may repent (I pray the he is honest with himself and sincerely repents) but his elevation to being a pastor is no longer an option (biblically). He has committed a sin, _after already being a christian and a pastor,_ that is of a sexual nature. It is now public which has brought shame on the name of Christ and fellow christians. People look at us and mock and turn away from Christ as a result. _This is why Robert never should have been placed in a pastoral position in the first place._ The elders *already knew back then* that he had committed a sexual sin (adultery outside of his marriage) after he was already a christian and pastor. He was not 'beyond reproach'. _The elders did it their way,_ instead of abiding by biblical instructions and now we see why this is such a bad idea. More has come out and it has brought shame to Christ. Robert can be forgiven through repentance but he is not 'beyond reproach' nor was he prior to this recent expose. To restore him _yet again_ (to a pastoral position) would just further cause the world to look down on Christianity and Christ, thinking we are worse than the world and accepting this kind of sexual abuse by just 'forgiving and forgetting'. This never should have happened _and wouldn't have_ if the elders had held to biblical council by not placing Robert in a position of pastoral authority when he was already 'not beyond reproach'.
Yes, JESUS was against adultery, homosexuality, & hurting little one(which includes the unborn!). Paul stated it a few times as well! There are boundaries we must adhere to.
As if the Robert Morris scandal was not bad enough, I think it's not a good idea to hire your Kids to be other pastors of the same church. For too long these mega churches are run like family businesses. The best part is when they claim to Tithe but its to the church they own. Just say'in. 1 Peter 4:17 ...Judgment must begin at the house of God
Justice is being served? Morris should have been in prison. Instead he’s been honored, and he’s retiring an extremely wealthy man. He has not even repented, at least not publicly.
“He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault” Ephesians 5:26-27 The Lord is cleaning/ cleansing HIS church
I would think if you are a Bible-believing follower of Christ, you would have read God’s specifications of becoming a pastor first; plainly it’s God’s laws, same as divorce & remarriage. You leaders who go against His Word put all of us to shame!!
Robert Morris' behavior should have disqualified him from any pastoral career in his 20s. He preached this to the church. He is not surprised and he will stay retired.
Why did Jimmy Evans speak up now? Because NOW he's being questioned about it. He probably honored an agreement made with the church leadership by not addressing it. Not that THAT is right, but now that there is exposure of Robert Morris's deep dishonesty, Jimmy is under fire. I do agree he should never have endorsed and officiated Joni Lamb's marriage to a suspiciously recently divorced business associate, which is extremely inappropriate. Her daughter (in law? unsure of that, sorry) left their tv ministry because of her disagreement with it. That's very telling.
I do question Jimmy Evans at times….the way he handled DayStar’s Joni and Doug’s marriage! Basically he threw Doug’s ex-wife under the bus! Jimmy is not the ultimate authority on divorce and remarriage!!Yes, why is Jimmy saying these things now!! Why are Robert Morris’s son and wife resigning….they are not responsible for the father’s sins???
Sins of the fathers have such an impact on children. My heart goes out to the family. Need to break the curse in Jesus name. God is sifting his church. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and he will lift you up. When trust is broken one cannot be in leadership roles. 😢
I worry that forgiveness and reconciliation will not be allowed to happen. Between Morris & Cindy, and the congregation. I experienced a very similar situation as a youth sponsor and our youth minister (I was not yhe teen involved.) in the mid-to-late 90's. Confession, forgiveness and reconciliation were never formally made. That lack erodes unity and strengthens Satan's plan to spread chaos and confusion. We as Christians severely underestimate Satan's envy and hatred of God. He seeks to kill and destroy.
I was a member at Gateway when Jimmy Evans resigned. It’s all so disgusting. Had I known the truth about RM, I would have never darkened the doors of that place. Jimmy Evans should have spoken up before. He was a spiritual advisor.
I believe this situation calls for a bit more than being forgiven by God and the church. It is a crime, or pedophilia USED TO BE a crime punishable by imprisonment. More than saying ‘I’m sorry’ this used to be against the law.
There is a Big difference for someone to fall and become an alcoholic than abusing a child for years. Alcoholics hurt others because they are loved by family, friends, co- workers, etc. A child abuser damages his or her mentally, emotionally and worst of all physically. There is no comparison. An alcoholic can recuperate and live a productive life. A child abuser rarely changes and is difficult to trust again. No ifs or buts. Forgivenes yes, cover ups and restoration No way. Accountability!!!
Alcoholics can abuse or sin, too, because when inebriated, one’s boundaries are not as clear, and they are more likely to do things they wouldn’t normally do. Joshua could help here as he said he once had an alcohol ‘problem’. That’s like ‘moral failure’, I believe.( Surprised he hasn’t gone after Max Lucado. After all, he will be in a regular pastoral teaching position at a church and he is not ‘blameless’. Josh said Max also had an alcohol ‘problem’ at one time. Think about it…)??
@mariarivera5354. Ma’am, alcoholics hurt people daily on the roads when they injure and kill, they abuse others physically, s3xually, mentally, psychologically and in all ways possible because their boundaries are gone when drunk or “blacked out”. They also kill with guns, rob break and enter. Or they can sit home, get soused and abuse their family or no one but their own miserable bodies. Count the ways…they too abuse s3xually, ask victims “was your abuser drunk?” Just curious, cause I really don’t know
@@davidcruz8057 Personal and the bible. Morality and decency knows no boundaries. Regardless of culture most human beings Fear God. This men claim to serve God and abuse those created as his image and resemblance to satisfy their lust and depravity. Wolves on Sheeps clothing.
A child and far from being a "young lady." His action mmediately disqualified him from ever serving as a pastor for the rest of his life if you address the issue Biblically.
Chapter and verse please. You're saying the blood of Jesus doesn't work for all sins. The greatest and unforgivable sin is unforgiveness. That is a betrayal of the finished work of Jesus.
@@edeancozzens3833it’s not that he cannot be forgiven. It’s that he no longer qualifies as leader or teacher in the church. Robert Morris is a pedophile.
@@edeancozzens3833- 1 Tim chapter 3. The minister of the Lord must be above reproach with good report from those outside. He can be restored to the Lord, but NEVER again to spiritual leadership.
Forgiveness and qualifications for being an overseer - these are different issues! And you can google that yourself; its in scripture. No one said he can’t be forgiven. But he also cannot keep his position. Good grief.
My sense is even if discernment was at work in the Gateway church, those who dared to speak up would have been shutdown and rejected. Evil dominating this church.
If the church follows the biblical mandate for pastors set forth in I Timothy and Titus, then Robert Morris must never be allowed to start and/or lead another church. He was and is not blameless and as far as I can tell he has never repented. He has, it seems, fled the country and gone literally into hiding. His son, James, however, need not be held accountable for the sins of his father, and I feel very sorry for him and his sister, who have to be in unbearable pain at these horrible revelations about their father (which even their mother knew about and helped hide). We must hold our church leaders to the highest standards as outlined in the word of God. Look at the warnings to the churches in Revelation 2-3. God is not blind to what is going on, but He is longsuffering and gives time to repent. But lack of repentance, especially from those in positions of leadership, will lead to grave consequences, as we have clearly seen recently. The harm that RM has caused at Gateway is and will have profound consequences there and in the church at large. I pray that those in leadership in churches throughout the world will take a close look at themselves and those serving with them and require that leaders be held to the highest standards. And, BTW, where do we get this concept of “restoration” to the ministry after gross sin is discovered? I’m not talking about sin prior to salvation, but sin while in the ministry. A Christian who engages in gross sin, sexual sin/criminal behavior, while in a position of leadership, can NEVER be above reproach or blameless, which is a requirement for leaders. Yes, he can be restored to the body of Christ, but not to ministry. (Read I Cor. 5) This idea of stepping away for a time of restoration is rampant in churches and is unacceptable. If you want to bring up King David’s sin as I have seen many do-he was not a pastor/priest and he repented fully, and he still bore the consequences of his sin for the rest of his life. God forgives the truly repentant, but God’s word remains true and his requirements for leaders must be adhered to. Perhaps sin at the highest levels of the church is one of the reasons that we have seen sin among the sheep to be whitewashed and embraced. Lord Jesus, help us be light and not darkness.
@@johnbrodnik839 once as a non-Christian then another which is continuing to this day. Calling him "kenny" is very disrespectful....but I think you know that already
This is the first time I’ve seen your RUclips channel. Wow !! This was so helpful and informative. I love the point made: “ Marriage is a covenant not a contract “. Thanks to this episode, I am hopeful that the Lord’s forgiveness and healing as well as restoration for these people that were addressed on your show will also will be evident someday.
Wasn’t the abuse years ago? His son would have a young child. ??? If the son was told his father “had sinned”….he may not have known the details. 🤷🏻♀️
So glad to hear that you mentioned this about elders. People almost worship Robert. Church of Christ, still I saw abuses that was covered up. When the Pastor challenged the elders they fired him.
What would Robert Morris want to happen to the man that raped his daughter Elaine and his granddaughters for four years.. repent yes..forgive yes.. keep preaching NO
The "husband of one wife" I've always taken as not being a polygamist. What if you got divorced before you came to Christ many years earlier? What if you were serving in leadership role at a church and you didn't want to get divorced but your wife served you divorce papers? Are you disqualified? Also, I see many marriages that are still married, if you want to call it that , just to abide by the letter of the law...we are Christians so if I get legally divorced, what would other Christians at my church think of me? They essentially don't have a marriage but for a piece of paper and they have turned the covenant into a legalist act. I also know of churches that don't allow anyone to serve in a leadership role because they are an ex-con. This could have happened years earlier and then they get radically saved. Under those metrics, the Apostles Paul, who referred to himself as a murderer, would be disqualified. I HATE legalism. But, I have good company. So did Jesus.
You would be considered an adulterer and in Sin even if you were not a Christian. The Jews had a bunch of excuses for divorce and abortion. If you divorced, you still can’t marry another unless that person passes.
I loved how you applied grace .....breaks my heart how fast people are to pick up stones .....the whole thing is so tragic ......not sure why but my mind just keeps gravitating torwards (we already have a accuser) and man .....he is really crafty .....god bless you sir and thank you for the time spent edifying the church .....🙏
My sister left with her 3 girls after living with an abusive husband of 26 years. Domestic issues are an exception, and you should probably talk about that as well.
It is distressing what has happened with Pastor Morris. I do not condone what he did to the minor Cindy, but at the same time he did repent and step down to seek counselling. What disturbs me most is that all of the good teaching that he did for 35+ years has been decimated. His books, his videos, everything has been flushed down the toilet, so to speak, because of his past sin. How can we risk giving someone his books knowing that he's been disgraced like this? I have been sharing his videos with my family members for several years. What do I say to them about those teachings now? I can't share them without acknowledging that he is a moral failure? Sin sucks...big time. It's consequences are never taken away. God may forgive us, but their consequences remains forever
It is obvious he went into the ministry for the money$$$$$. You cannot serve both God and 4:30 mammon (money). He should not be allowed to minister at all. He's a PEDOPHILE! No recovery from that
Not only he sinned but other ladies were reporting inside the church about sexual Abuse from other pastors but Morris cover it up ! This is sin too ! He was not truthful ! He teaching some of it it’s wrong technology ! You give tithes and you will never loose job etc… This is his blessed life ! What his book was saying ! Sorry I was there for 3 years and I left ! He also spoke a lot of himself ! Take those books and throw them in trash ! Tell you family and friends the truth : Morris fail !
@stitchintime50 I do not agree with above comments. I, however, am not a ‘bandwagon’ type of person. I am a Christian, a sinner, saved by grace. I couldn’t wake up, breathe, walk, pump gas, make coffee, do anything at all without Jesus and my precious Holy Spirit. I still can listen to Pastor Morris’s material and glean truth from it. I do not worship the man, however, I know how to forgive and forgive fully. I am a preacher’s kid(PK), and know that these people are human beings with flaws, just like you and me. My Dad struggled with an anger problem that more than likely originated with his mother and some abuse that came from ignorance, also from the stress of having a sick wife for many years (10-12 with several brain surgeries) and having to raise 3 little girls all by himself. His struggle was real. His devotion to God/Jesus Christ was real. His pain was real. Many times I disliked my Dad’s behavior very much, but always loved him. He never physically or sexually abused us, but sometimes the words or volume of the words was enough. He never said things to us like we were bad or worthless. It was more like we never knew what to expect, the happy Dad or the unhappy Dad, so we were constantly kept off-guard. To my sisters and I those behaviors became an example of how not to be. And with the infilling of the Spirit, and years of walking with Him & Jesus and growing in His wisdom and love, we are able to accomplish that. (So, if people do not think that pastors don’t have the same struggles as others, think again. My Mom would tell me, as an adult, of stories of other pastors at Conferences they went to trying to flirt with her, one actual sexual proposal! Of course, she told Dad and he shut that right down!Pastors need much prayer!! This is written by @cherRN
Justice is not served until R. Morris is required to offer Cindy financial and personal repentance. Whatever she requires. 2 Samuel 21: 1- 6 During a 3 year famine, God required King David to seek a peace offering and atonement to the Gibeonites, for King Saul's murderous breach of covenant, before the famine would be reversed.
Our pastor said just this past Wednesday night, that when he officiated a marriage ceremony on occasion he'd tell the groom before the bride came out to walk down the aisle "If you're going to run, now's the time to run, not afterwards".
I understand you admonishing pastors to the straight and narrow......true. You also said this could affect their ministry forever. Agreed. But WHAT ABOUT THE GIRL OR FEMALE WHICH HAVE BEEN GROOMED OR USED BY A " SPIRITUAL LEADER?" What about their lives? The psycological damage incurred by a man of the cloth?? It would be like being raped by one of the disciples. A leader. Not to mention the absolute betrayal and humiliation of the spouse. Plus the abuse to the children. The entire family. Plus the church family. Its not just about the pastor. They should KNOW BETTER .
@@polskigirl8547 He may be financially secure, but make no mistake, his entire legacy has been destroyed BY HIS OWN DOING. I go to Gateway and I believe completely, this has been devastating to him, and sadly, his family. Again, had he never been allowed in leadership after Cindy’s dad came forward, RM would have never achieved the success, prominence & wealth he did. But, he is not skipping through the daisies & throwing money in the air…as virtually everything in his life has been crushed. Sometimes sin has catastrophic consequences…..
I listened to Jimmy Evans' "Marriage on the Rock " years ago. He basically taught that if it wasn't for sex, men would never come home. That's what he thinks about women. 🤮
Have you forgotten about T.D. Jakes? He was busted with Diddy. He should be in jail. He has hurt a lot of people and needs to be taken off the streets. He's not from Dallas, but his church is in Dallas
I took it from the article that they meant that James and Bridget might be restored to ministry at some point in the future. I doubt gateway Church would ever support putting Robert Morris back into ministry.
This post is problematic on many levels ,but let me start here: if Jimmy Evans says there is a dishonest and toxic environment...he should give specifics. It rings hollow and sound disgruntled. To give a vague statement is just as harmful as morris saying he had a "sexual situation " without giving specifics . He can't be presumed right just because he left a job.
If the adulterous spouse divorces their spouse, the faithful spouse who forgave and didn't seek divorce is free to remarry. If the adulterous spouse remarries then they'll be living in sin, in adultery. If they die in this state as being in adultry even though they profess, God help them....
This was very informative. Thank you. I’m sad because I have followed all these pastors over the years and have had respect and admiration for all of them. We are surely living in end times prophecy.
I am so thankful that people are not blinded by Jimmy Evans endorsing and performing Doug's marriage to Joni. Doug's wife is still active in counseling ministry, as is Doug.
No I dont think you're sad. You seem to relish scoops and negative news about the church and present yourself as some moral barometer of the church You check your own heart & You just seem to relish negative news like this.
I love the Church of Jesus Christ. And have served the church my whole life while sacrificing financially. I want the church to be the best it can be- And we can do much better then this my friend. Jesus is only coming back for a bride who is ready. And this bride is NOT ready. Blessings to you! It is often said that the divided condition of Christendom is an evil, and so it is. But the evil consist in the existence of the error that is causing the division and not all all in those who recognize the error and who are trying to correct it. The evil of the division exists not in the ones who are pointing it out and brining it up. But in the error itself that is causing the division - J. Gresham Machen
Just to add some context. I followed Gateway Church and ihopkc since early 2000's. These churches really helped me develop spiritually. And i am thankful to them for that. So i didn't go out of my way to cover these ministries. When these scandals broke out they effected my personally. I wanted to talk about it. And so did others. Thousands of comments on these videos. I tried to do so with a TRUTH-GRACE balance. And i tried very hard not to bash people or kick them while they are down. These situations are learning experiences for the Body of Christ. And we should talk about how we will do things differently moving forward. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
I do see what you are saying. Of course we would like to see more justice. However i do see it as realistic to think he will be prosecuted criminally at this point. And i think they are going to have a hard time getting his money. I think people underestimate how devastating it is for a man to loose their calling (think Samson).
so, if you’re married to an abuser someone who is beating you up mentally, physically, abusing your children you’re still gonna stay married to their person? NO! Jesus doesn’t want a child to stay in abusive home neither does he want an adult to stay in an abusive home.
You should not stay an physically abusive marriage. You should get law enforcement involved right away. The bible calls for separation in those cases for professional intervention. If a person will not repent after many years it might be time for a divorce. But just because you are granted a divorce on biblical grounds doesn't mean it is okay to marry in many cases.
WHY ISNT LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED IN THIS..WHY... ROBERT MORRIS. INSTEAD HE GETS A BIG PAYOUT... WHY ISNT LAW ENFORCEMENT ENVOLVED, HE NEEDS TO SERVE PRISON TIME.
That was disgusting, Evans oked the marriage?????? Even knowing that Doug left his first wife for no good reason 😢How could Evans possibly agree to there marriage, is beyond my rational thinking 🤔
@@jax408 Joni's dress shoved me! Looked like it was purchased on Bourbon Street in New Orleans in a shop that sells lace corsets and garter belts. Not that I've ever been inside one of those places but they have big store front windows.
What I find so sad is that no one has said, Pastor Robert we forgive you. Just in case we have forgotten, the blood of Jesus cover ALL sin, not some, ALL!!! Even a statement from Cindy saying she forgives him would be a powerful display of the grace and mercy that comes from the cross. I say all this as one who understands this experience intimately because I was molested as a little boy by a 14 year old girl and then by my stepfather for several years. I never saw him again after it was exposed, but I chose to forgive him, and through that forgiveness, God healed my heart.
She did say that she had forgiven, but the family was always against him being in ministry. She has maintained that stance over the years.
@@laurykristensen6239 people need to understand the cross, forgiveness if you webt to Jesus after you repented and began to talk about ihai sin to Kim He would say what sin He would not even remember it He forgave.
Yes we must forgive because He forgave us.
Yes it's hard but you have to forgive no matter how horrific so Jesus can heal.
Cindy did not forgive or none of the scars would have came up that happened 30 + years ago
Evans's only concern is that his books were removed, so he couldn't count on the congregations' huge purchasing power. I am a 20-year member of Gateway and am stunned that so few of the pastors are focused on piling on Robert but have no concern for the congregants. We are hurting, but the only Pastors who have helped us deal with this massive heartache are Yoakim Lundquist, Max Lucedo, and Levi Lusko. Jimmy Evans enjoyed the massive church Gateway has become, but he did nothing to grow the church; Joyce Meyer used to come to Gateway twice a year to get a free recording studio, yet she dropped out of her speaking commitment for this summer (and her own story would be so helpful to our congregation). Gateway church will continue to gather because we worship Jesus Christ, not Robert Morris. Please pray for our Elders and for the hurting members of Gateway.
Joyce Meyer failed to report her rapist father even though she knew he was raping a neighbor and over the many years before he dies probably numerous others. Her husband knew, her ministry board knew. She is an enabler of a pedophile and guilty of grave sins. Many preachers use spiritual language to excuse themselves and others.
I pray for Gateway church❤😢❤ God is close to those that weep, You will be comforted and restored and full of the joy from God❤ He is a great mender of broken hearts🙏
I know Joakim and Maria is called for a tie like this - they have been handling church crisis earlier on - they are strong in The Lord, they love Jesus more than their own lives❤ You will be good, restored and healed❤🙏 Give it time ❤❤❤
Thank you sharing this and sharing which Pastors have been available to care for congregation. Very tough and painful for you and congregation. Will be lifting u up in prayer.much love in Christ Jesus, Australia ❤❤
@@mariapettersson8175thank you!
@@ConquererWarriorthank you!
Sorry I have lost respect for Jimmy Evans and Joni for that scandal involving Doug Weiss. I have to pray for forgiveness don't like feeling the way i do . There was a time when i wouldn't miss an episode of table talk but its hard for me to believe she is sincere. Not the same since Jonathan and Suzy are no longer there.
She isn't sincere, and Suzy is calling her out in subtle ways on her Instagram.
Exactly, GOD will Judge but He said we are to know the fruits. Her taking Doug Weiss, I was speaking out against before their marriage! I even called the ministry and Jimmy Evans and told them how this was so wrong but no one said a thing! Sorry but she was even dressed slutty for having a "platform of ministry". This was sick! I also believe it should be checked to be sure Marcus really passed of illness!! This all seems evil!
too many of us look up to these men and when this happens we feel let down, a grim reminder that we all need to look up to God alone and follow the word of God the Bible and put all faith in the Lord Jesus only, men will let us down and not even mean to, God will always be faithful to us if we are in return .
Why is Suzy and Jonathan no longer there?
@CameliaKay9804 I wondered same. I think I have an idea and you probably do also! I quit watching as soon as I started knowing some things. My opinion, when I find out people are fake, I just know it's GOD showing me TRUTH. He said Pray for Wisdom, Knowledge and to see and not through scales on our eyes! Just bc we may want to believe good about someone, doesn't mean it is! It also doesn't make someone good just cause some refuse to see truth!
How bout pray for everyone 🙏 because none of us is innocent. And we all need JESUS. LORD help us 🙌
@@johnwright689, so true, but not all of us are out there preaching Gods Word. They are held to a higher standard.
You cant talk out both sides of your mouth. Counseling and preaching one thing by saying it’s wrong and then when it comes up, you say it’s ok and justify it.
Amen to THAT!!!
@@CS944-gs1ymWell if your born again you should be preaching the word. Those who are without sin cast the first stone
Morris' net worth: $117 million dollars. His victim's net worth: a life filled with torment.
Jimmy Evans officiated the wedding of Joni Lamb and her new husband. Evans insinuated that Weiss was in an "emotionally abusive" marriage. Hmm, but Weiss and his ex still co-own their marriage/relationship counseling center. I lost respect for Jimmy Evans as he sold out to the Joni empire.
Disappointing
@@margaretferry92What is disappointing is the judgement you are placing!! Shame on all of you!!
@@WARRIORBRIDE16 while I understand your comment I don’t understand why we as Christians and part of the same body don’t read our Bibles... this is our manual which we base our lives on which clearly states “ we are to judge those in the body but not the “world”.... we are to judge righteously.. not according to the flesh. My
@@carolvanrooyen2488 your placing judgement on a marriage that you were not a part of!! You have no idea what truly went on between those two people. You don't know the truth! You don't know that what has been said is a lie and when it turns out it is not a lie there was nothing that was done wrong by anyone except those who want to stick their nose where it doesn't belong and place judgement. God will sort it out not you!
@@carolvanrooyen2488Amen💯
I stopped watching the hypocrites Jimmy Evans and Joni Lamb after her marriage to Doug, another hypocrite!
As soon as I heard she was marrying Doug😢I unsubscribed from her channel! She must be SO deceived to marry a man who divorced his wife for just falling out of love with her😢I’m so glad to be a single divorced woman 😋I can get married again as my ex committed adultery 😢but JESUS is my ONLY True Husband 🤗✝️💞
Joni should pray and hope Doug does not “fall out of love” with her 😌
Mind your own business...God will be the judge of them And You!!
@@enjoyboogie7786I can just imagine you telling John the Baptist to mind his own business after he told Herod Antipas he is in adultery with Philip's wife
You’re a good son…
I was saved by grace but unfortunately can be a bad judge,God forgive me.Maybe your on to something new,a new door ,a more transparent way of having church.Humility before honour.God first loved us,we all need to remember we came from.And hopefully where we’re going.❤
If Evans knew Gateway was “dishonest and toxic”and he took the title of spiritual leader he had a duty to protect the sheep in that church. He knew the sheep were in danger but abandoned them.
Maybe he knew he could beat the system. I don't know for sure
@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimone When a church leadership is toxic to the core - you are on a hiding to nothing. Trust me. I have been there as a pastor. I have ended up resigning and asked myself those hard questions also, but the whole church denomination had the elders in a position where they would be in control and a pastor would be sacrificed rather than upset even a known sick embedded eldership. The denomination's own words not mine for the specific church. It has no pastor to this day and chaos ensues.
You have surely spoken truth. Robert Morris should have been FIRED!
And that dude Joni married left his married wife for her! That’s called SIN! Period 😡
That's so very true and he went after Joni when her husband passed away, Joni is a very well off .EVEN HER SON AND DAUGHTER INLAW HAVE LEFT THE DAYSTAR BUSINESS. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY HONEST ABOUT WHY THEY LEFT .HIS MOTHER AND SISTERS CHOSE DOUG OVER THE SON THAT WAS SO CLOSE TO HIS FATHER .JOHNATHAN WAS TO TAKE OVER FROM HIS FATHER .
What was Joni thinking????? I unsubscribed from her show! Also Jimmy Evans told Joni it was fine to marry that sleaze bag😢so Evans gave Joni consent, that is SO DISGUSTING 🤮 what is wrong with these Christians in high places, they seem to be so deceived 😢@@karenhansen-zachow4032
Where have the, (Johnothan and Suzy)...been honest about leaving Daystar?
Just think, he made his $$$ by being a marriage counselor.
Marcus also had his dalliance some years ago
Yet people send these charlatans $....sex, power, money, million $ parsonage.
All through Bible twisting.
Robert Morris had bad doctrine... prosperity pimp.
The Lord took him down......it was inevitable.
A pastor who’s committed sexual sin especially as egregious as child molestation is forever disqualified from ministry especially being in a teaching or pastoral position. Why don’t church leaders stick to what scripture says regarding the qualifications for pastor?
Is this your OPINION or is it somewhere in the Bible?
@@davidcruz8057 so it’s ok what Robert Morris did🥲😭💔🙏🛐
This is not “a mistake” but a perverted long term abuse of a child. That is not acceptable.
I was referring to other moral failures in the church not this one. Roberts situation was a crime. This was much more then a moral failure
I'm just thinking about my decision-making process at 20 and some of my friends and family members' behavior at 20. I'm not excusing it, but I do think sometimes, there, by the grace of God, go I.
I am so sad that the church turned on Morris like ravenous wolves. Yes what he did was wrong, however in my opinion, the church could’ve ministered to Morris in forgiveness and council him. Yes he should’ve stepped down. My heart goes out to his son James.
Let he who is sinless cast the first stone.
It’s just heartbreaking.
@@whitehorse1914he was counseled.
How come Debbie Morris isn't charged with covering her husband's sin of abusing a child? Her husband with a 12 yr. Old child? what GOD does Debbie Morris serve? And Robert still sleeps beside Debbie at night. Gross.😢
The "the two become one flesh". I do not believe she has been unaware. Where was she when this was taking place for 4 1/2 years? Was she part of it?
@vickiesquire8659
Please try to behave as though this was your own husband… I have. It’s not quite as black and white as you think. Before you say “Oh yes, it is!”, consider this as your own: He has a huge ministry affecting the entire world, your entire family;everything will crumble. Then, picture yourself walking into a police station, your heart pounding out of your chest , almost throwing up, your feet, your body telling you to run… don’t you think a huge dose of mercy is due to this lady. Do you REALLY think this is HER story to tell?
@@vickiesquire8659 makes ya wonder. Greed.
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@CherRN3 true. But a little girl. That's heartless an her parents should have jailed him so they are remiss also fr what to protect th church robert an not their child. Disgusting
@@vickiesquire8659 He wasn't wealthy when it occurred. Most women would leave a man behaving like that. Some don't, and find it easier to blame the victim
Feel sorry his son has suffered due to his father's issues.
They both preach false giving/prosperity gospel and are millionaires
@@sarahconnor4757 I don't...tired of seeing sons on pastor dad's 'gravy train'..seems is to further enrich themselves and protect others from learning how much mega money actually comes in regularly.
As much as Joni Lambs son suffer.What parents drag their children thru.
I’m sure the $100M+ family fortune will cheer him up. Interesting that a pastor can bank off of his flock like that. 💰💰
@@pattypierce8189 poor Jonanthan
I don't believe they were speaking about Robert and James; rather James and Bridgette leading another church in the future. Remember James and Bridgette did NOTHING wrong. But I agree with them stepping down from Gateway to give Gateway and the congregation to recover.
I'm sure they weren't saying Robert & son would start another church. Prayers for James & Brigette to find a church where they can thrive.
I'm sorry, but folks attended Gateway because of pastor Robert.
Lest we forget it was 35 years ago, I was not there--we were not there--so we cannot speculate what was stated. Or forgiven nor resolved. Why now??
only God knows the motives behind this travesty. That said, let's be honest, James Morris may be a good and Godly man, but a speaker and preacher HE IS NOT. I've heard him 3 times over the last year, and literally got very sad and distressed knowing he was set to take over the reins.
I for one, am thankful as a 7 days a week x2 daily watcher and listener of this ministry. My heart is broken and hurting for them and the whole as a church & ministry.❤️🙏🙌💔 and pray for peace, forgiveness and healing restoration---- and know through this all---
GOD IS STILL GOD.
@@delenad2710 You are right; many of us attended Gateway Church because of Robert Morris. He is a gifted speaker and teacher. But he always taught us that Jesus is our focus, and our worship was always for Him. I don't regret the 20 years of love and learning I experienced at Gateway Church. What he did in his early years before starting Gateway was wrong, but he did have an amazing ministry after that. And because of the favor of God that was on Gateway, I have to believe Robert repented and was forgiven by God. Please pray for Gateway Church and the Morris family.
I think Robison, Evans also coming out when it was safe is very sad too. It is clear they are speaking out to assure their own reputations.
@MTknitter22 exactly do right an depend on God to bless you not some ungodly minister or. Ministry
Absolutely PR!
3:05 - what Robert Morris committed wasn't a "mistake", it was a terrible crime, a horrendous sin.
I am sorry about the misunderstanding. I was referring to moral failures in general. What Robert did was a sin and a crime. This should be handled very seriously
@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimone little girls and boys are playful, they love to romp and play cause they are kids and being cuddled so much by mom and dad sometimes they may even jump on a strangers (outsiders) lap. If that outsider) mans mind is not right with God, he might get wrong signals or have sinful desires and take advantage of a child. The child being innocent might go along with what they consider being cuddled. This is a very horrible thing, as it will affect negatively the childs emotional life forever.
A friend had an uncle who he hadn't seen in years come to visit. My friend had a daughter of 4 yrs. The uncle picked up the little girl and put her on his lap. He started to tickle her, making her laugh so much. We all got very uncomfortable cause the 50 yr. uncle wouldn't stop, he had a strange look in his eyes.
My dad jumped out of his chair and pulled the little girl out of the uncles arms. Dad told my friend "Don't ever let your uncle come close to your lil girl or son
(3 yrs)." Years later my friend found out his uncle had been sexually abusing his oldest daughter since she was a child. My friend came over and thanked my dad.
This uncle and other sickos should be arrested and put to hard labor breaking rocks in the Arizona desert for the rest of their life. The uncle yrs. later died a horrible death, he ran a red light and was struck by an 18 wheeler on drivers door. God is not mocked.
@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimone It should be taken to the authorities.
Why would you give weight to what Jimmy Evans says? He encouraged and approved the marriage of Joni Lamb and Doug Weiss when Doug didn't appear to have Biblical grounds for his divorce. All they said was he had been in an "abandonment" situation. That seems pretty flimsy to me.
He counseled with them for a full year before he married them what more do you want? He may have further details that they prefer remain private! I'm not aware of Doug's ex-wife complaining about his remarriage? Just judgemental Christians who only know in part!
What I’m saying is that if there were a Biblical reason for Doug’s divorce it seems it would have been stated in order to avoid this perception. I don’t want the gory details but if you’re going to divorce and remarry to someone as public as Joni Lamb, you’ve got to expect that people are going to want to know that it is following what the Bible teaches. On top of that it was a big showy affair with Joni wearing the white gown , etc., things that are normally done at your first wedding. I realize many other women are doing the same thing but again, in this situation, the better choice would have been to had a tasteful, still elegant but smaller ceremony , not producing a full blown video when one of the party was a newly divorced person who made a career giving marriage advice.
Why cause he was too busy being Joni grief counselor???
@@terrylerickson849Ever consider the rug got pulled right out from Lisa feet. Furthermore Both Joni and Marcus interviewed Doug and Lisa on Daystar and Doug stated their marriage was solid and they would never divorce and Lisa agreed with that statement.
@@marilynnewland2838EXACTLY!!
I quit watching Jimmy evans a few years back. There were a few warning signs that I noticed with him. Especially when he was on table talk with Joni. I pray that God will expose more and more people who are leading people astray.
Same...I love his marriage sermons way back, but knew something went wrong a few years ago
I’ve been married for 37 years but don’t look down on people divorced. I think each divorce situation needs to be judged specific and not a broad brush applied across the board.
Totally agree with you. Until a person has been in a horrific situation in their marriage, they don't understand. The details of Dr. Weiss divorce is only the business of those closest to him.
True, Divorce is not the unpardonable sin, yet it does Biblically disqualify a person from leadership roles in the ministry of the Church of Jesus Christ.
@user-lf2hp9mi9r But the purpose of why someone marries someone like he did, makes ya wonder the intentions! And All the aspects of the whole thing, to me, smells of Rot.
We are not God to judge anyone. It's easy to speak on until it happens in your life. We are to pray, pray, pray, and get and remain humble. 🙏🏼
You know what this shows me about Robert Morris is Instead of running and hiding his face for shame, he's looking to get back in church again, he's got an ego. That's unbelievable.!!!
He's a devil.
Jimmy endorsed the marriage because he draws his paycheck from them.
you could be correct churches are ran so much like corporations anymore and so many pastors have a board of people telling him what to teach and not too are to say are not to preachers are to mind the lord and preach what the holy spirit leads them and not cave in when and not teach the Truth. we don't pay are pastor so I think that is a good thing I also think its so important to find a good local church because we keep seeing over and over a lot of this mega churches TV pastors and internet preachers getting caught up in this stuff. and when you do a little looking around you find out they live in 3 and 4 million dollar homes and have huge bank accounts kinda makes me wonder, I know it takes money to live on and run churches however maybe we could be deceived by them, I do like Jimmy and watch him and it does sadden me hearing about the marriage he endorsed I pray the man is ok with the lord just like I pray for myself and family. we maybe need to focus on Jesus more and not these men, we all have sinned against God and all have fallen short of his glory, that's why I love my little local church and I praise the Lord for it Amen
Jimmy Evans in my opinion is a fraud. He is not a genuine person. When I see him on table talk it makes me nauseous.
He didn't just mess up, he committed a crime against a child, but a long-term assault of a child. Yes, forgiveness is his in Christ, but there is a price to pay in our society by law. I am indignant that the church is so willing to forget that he should pay the price for his crime.
I think he should be forgiven but yet held accountable at the same time. These are very serious charges.
I feel so badly for Robert’s family they are punished for his past sin now because it wasn’t dealt with properly. Unfair to his children and grandkids, plus the humiliation of it.
Be sure your sin will find you it has consequences that’s why God takes it so seriously
He should have thought of his wife (who, incidentally, has been part of the cover-up for years!) and the family he has personally destroyed while he pleasured himself by destroying a child's life! Far from repenting, he denied it until he was caught & exposed! This is what happens when churches are run as a lucrative family business for personal gain!
Had it been dealt with properly he would have been in jail and never ever would have been in the ministry. They would have been impacted by that as well.
Pastors of large churches love to compare themselves to being a CEO. The only reason there's pressure is because they've created a beast that has to be financed.
I’m sure he made Millions! $$$!!!
What a horror was left for Morris kids and the church tons to learn from here
Robert Morris is biblically disqualified to be a Pastor permanently. The Bible says a pastor must be ABOVE REPROACH. 1 Timothy 3:2
God can forgive him, but Robert Morris should never be a church leader ever again.
Of course it's a terrible legacy for his family who should not be held responsible, but unfortunately, the sins of the father do impact the children and family.
Amen!
Not only did Morris did wrong, What about his wife calling that little twelve year old girl a jezebel! I want to tell you I have no use for any of these pastors I go to bible studies and you're a very accountable!!
These pastors have too much money and too much power, They don't know what to do with it.. They are not humble at all!!
Exactly and he taught this at Gateway
So here is something I struggle with daily. If you have serious answers, I'd love to hear from you. This abuse (and yes, it is abuse) was done 3 years BEFORE Robert Morris started his church. Rather than wondering who knew, let's think about WHO really knew what went on and the heart of everyone involved. Why would God not only allow Robert back into the ministry, but to be so highly favored that he could be a major part in growing a megachurch of believers. You can say that Robert duped his congregation and didn't repent of the full story, but if he didn't repent to God, how is it that 3 years later, God blessed him and his church so much?
@djheindel i think a better question would be why didn't he come clean on his own previously? He clearly tried to minimize what happened over the last 30 years.
God is longsuffering. But time was up.
None of this is the fault of their children and grandchildren. A sickening fallout for the family.
Why didn't Cindi's parents bring it to police? It is a crime and they knew about it.
And if it was brought to any leader or teacher…it was their duty to report it to the authorities. If true repentance was there, the perpetrator should turn himself in to the authorities!
I don't believe Robert Morris resigning from Gateway is "justice" for Cindy Clemenshire and her family. What he did was a criminal offense and there needs to be restitution made to his victim. Yes, Roberts stepping down is some relief for Cindy in her lifelong and ongoing battle to recover from her abuse, but it is NOT justice served!
Robert Morris never served a jail sentence, so I completely disagree that justice has been done.
Robert Morris should have been fired!!
Hold up! Justice hasn’t been served to Robert Morris until he pays for his CRIMES against Cindy. Predators should be behind bars. Simply being removed from ministry is not FULL justice. But it’s one step closer…
Thank you for this revealing video. It’s the first time I’ve heard about Jimmy Evan’s statement regarding Gateway’s toxic leadership. Thanks for the time and effort you put into exposing the truth for us!!
How could he pay for his crimes against Cindy at this point? Since he won't face criminal charges at this point? I do believe Cindy is owed, some financial compensation
You are on point! If he can’t face criminal charges, Cindy is owed financial compensation.
Cynthia deserves full closure so her pain doesn't just impact herself and those who carry her cross with/for her.
I agree however think about it I don't believe pastors get Social Security and both him and his wife being the age that they are if they can't make a living now that being the only way that they ever did support themselves what do they do now and their old age absolutely every bit of income is Stripped Away that would be pretty big punishment especially if they lose their house and cars and all the money that they have made through that Ministry. They said that when this broke he was on a hundred thousand dollar yacht in Greece which I'm sure the tithes and offerings of his faithful Gateway supporters helped pay for that's pretty big consequences and Punishment in itself. Not to mention the embarrassment and ridicule of him even leaving the house everyone knowing who he is. I am so glad I am not in his shoes.
Chapter and verse please.
Thank you for your teaching today.
I’m interested in how Gateway Church will handle this situation for years to come. Pastor Robert Morris should not be so important to the members of Gateway Church that the church folds because of his sins.
They must forgive him then move forward with a new pastor, get Morris out of their hair.
I hope and pray that they will get through this.
Please remember them in prayer.
Thank you! I greatly appreciate that.
@@nitahicks6936 They are moving on and will be looking for a new lead pastor. In the meantime, there is two interim pastors teaching at least until the end of the year.
I am not a member nor watch Gateway Church. I have chosen to forgive Robert Morris , Jimmy Evans, and everyone else per the comments below. It’s not worth my soul, and I want God to forgive me of my sins.
As far as divorce, I don’t believe in it and God doesn’t either. God doesn’t believe in a whole lot of things that we are all guilty of. How can one remain married to someone who is sexually abusing the children, committing adultery most the time, physically abusive most of the time? The covenant has been broken when such things are done! We all want God’s Grace, mercy and forgiveness in our own lives, but we don’t want to extend it to others and some don’t want God to forgive others either
@@JesusAlways1st they are UNREPENTANT THEY STILL lie to cover up continuing to sin
What was in it for you to forgive? Were you harmed in this situation? Did it have any effect on your life?
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That is always my question when people other than those directly harmed say they forgive Pastor Morris.
@@57andstillkicking sometimes seeking out the truth takes way more energy & cognitive dissonance can ve a hard pill to swallow....so it's just easier to say I forgive.
I am not a member of Gateway Church as well, but I have got some of his books and Cds. Only God forgives a person when he repents .I guess we are all spectators and is not our responsibility to forgive.
I have heard Cindy Cleminshire say she contacted many people in church leadership but was rebuffed everytime. Is it possible to produce a list of the ministers that rebuffed her?
I understand why she didn't say anything before. I was molested as a child and pushed it out of my mind. When I was older I started drinking and doing other things, back in 2017 all my memories come flooding back. It's hard to go thru that as a child but even you get older and bring it up is always our fault. So I understand her and will be praying for her, God has brought me a long way since then. Men need to think about what that's gonna do so to the child before they mess up their whole life...
Restoration to Jesus and the church but never to a pastoral position.
Would you go where he would go!? 😳
@@johnbrodnik839 Are you asking if I would go where Robert Morris preaches in the future? No, I would not go where Robert preaches. Robert may repent (I pray the he is honest with himself and sincerely repents) but his elevation to being a pastor is no longer an option (biblically). He has committed a sin, _after already being a christian and a pastor,_ that is of a sexual nature. It is now public which has brought shame on the name of Christ and fellow christians. People look at us and mock and turn away from Christ as a result. _This is why Robert never should have been placed in a pastoral position in the first place._ The elders *already knew back then* that he had committed a sexual sin (adultery outside of his marriage) after he was already a christian and pastor. He was not 'beyond reproach'. _The elders did it their way,_ instead of abiding by biblical instructions and now we see why this is such a bad idea. More has come out and it has brought shame to Christ. Robert can be forgiven through repentance but he is not 'beyond reproach' nor was he prior to this recent expose. To restore him _yet again_ (to a pastoral position) would just further cause the world to look down on Christianity and Christ, thinking we are worse than the world and accepting this kind of sexual abuse by just 'forgiving and forgetting'. This never should have happened _and wouldn't have_ if the elders had held to biblical council by not placing Robert in a position of pastoral authority when he was already 'not beyond reproach'.
Yes, JESUS was against adultery, homosexuality, & hurting little one(which includes the unborn!). Paul stated it a few times as well! There are boundaries we must adhere to.
J. Evan supported the Christian marriage counselor divorcing his wife and marrying Joni Lamb at DayStar. I stopped listening to Evan.
As if the Robert Morris scandal was not bad enough, I think it's not a good idea to hire your Kids to be other pastors of the same church. For too long these mega churches are run like family businesses. The best part is when they claim to Tithe but its to the church they own. Just say'in. 1 Peter 4:17 ...Judgment must begin at the house of God
The leadership of that church should be held accountable. And they did nothing
Justice is being served? Morris should have been in prison. Instead he’s been honored, and he’s retiring an extremely wealthy man. He has not even repented, at least not publicly.
100%
“He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault”
Ephesians 5:26-27
The Lord is cleaning/ cleansing HIS church
Well said my friend
And no one can say Justice has been served in this matter until Cindy says so....
Justice is not complete without restitution to Cindy Clemeshire by the perpetrator
I would think if you are a Bible-believing follower of Christ, you would have read God’s specifications of becoming a pastor first; plainly it’s God’s laws, same as divorce & remarriage. You leaders who go against His Word put all of us to shame!!
Robert Morris' behavior should have disqualified him from any pastoral career in his 20s. He preached this to the church. He is not surprised and he will stay retired.
Why did Jimmy Evans speak up now? Because NOW he's being questioned about it. He probably honored an agreement made with the church leadership by not addressing it. Not that THAT is right, but now that there is exposure of Robert Morris's deep dishonesty, Jimmy is under fire. I do agree he should never have endorsed and officiated Joni Lamb's marriage to a suspiciously recently divorced business associate, which is extremely inappropriate. Her daughter (in law? unsure of that, sorry) left their tv ministry because of her disagreement with it. That's very telling.
It's like he is on shady pastors' payroll to be pull out of the dusty closet wearing his toupee during controversial times to smooth things out.
I do question Jimmy Evans at times….the way he handled DayStar’s Joni and Doug’s marriage! Basically he threw Doug’s ex-wife under the bus! Jimmy is not the ultimate authority on divorce and remarriage!!Yes, why is Jimmy saying these things now!!
Why are Robert Morris’s son and wife resigning….they are not responsible for the father’s sins???
If you have the gift of perception, you will probably want to question Jimmy Evans and his ministry.
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Sins of the fathers have such an impact on children. My heart goes out to the family. Need to break the curse in Jesus name. God is sifting his church. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and he will lift you up. When trust is broken one cannot be in leadership roles. 😢
I worry that forgiveness and reconciliation will not be allowed to happen. Between Morris & Cindy, and the congregation. I experienced a very similar situation as a youth sponsor and our youth minister (I was not yhe teen involved.) in the mid-to-late 90's. Confession, forgiveness and reconciliation were never formally made. That lack erodes unity and strengthens Satan's plan to spread chaos and confusion. We as Christians severely underestimate Satan's envy and hatred of God. He seeks to kill and destroy.
I was a member at Gateway when Jimmy Evans resigned. It’s all so disgusting. Had I known the truth about RM, I would have never darkened the doors of that place.
Jimmy Evans should have spoken up before. He was a spiritual advisor.
I believe this situation calls for a bit more than being forgiven by God and the church. It is a crime, or pedophilia USED TO BE a crime punishable by imprisonment. More than saying ‘I’m sorry’ this used to be against the law.
Sorry is certainly not enough
There is a Big difference for someone to fall and become an alcoholic than abusing a child for years. Alcoholics hurt others because they are loved by family, friends, co- workers, etc. A child abuser damages his or her mentally, emotionally and worst of all physically. There is no comparison. An alcoholic can recuperate and live a productive life. A child abuser rarely changes and is difficult to trust again. No ifs or buts. Forgivenes yes, cover ups and restoration No way. Accountability!!!
Alcoholics can abuse or sin, too, because when inebriated, one’s boundaries are not as clear, and they are more likely to do things they wouldn’t normally do. Joshua could help here as he said he once had an alcohol ‘problem’. That’s like ‘moral failure’, I believe.( Surprised he hasn’t gone after Max Lucado. After all, he will be in a regular pastoral teaching position at a church and he is not ‘blameless’. Josh said Max also had an alcohol ‘problem’ at one time. Think about it…)??
@mariarivera5354. Ma’am, alcoholics hurt people daily on the roads when they injure and kill, they abuse others physically, s3xually, mentally, psychologically and in all ways possible because their boundaries are gone when drunk or “blacked out”. They also kill with guns, rob break and enter. Or they can sit home, get soused and abuse their family or no one but their own miserable bodies. Count the ways…they too abuse s3xually, ask victims “was your abuser drunk?” Just curious, cause I really don’t know
Is your OPINION based on American culture or the Bible?
@@davidcruz8057 Personal and the bible. Morality and decency knows no boundaries. Regardless of culture most human beings Fear God. This men claim to serve God and abuse those created as his image and resemblance to satisfy their lust and depravity. Wolves on Sheeps clothing.
Isn't the blood of Jesus enough to deliver people anymore.....
A child and far from being a "young lady." His action mmediately disqualified him from ever serving as a pastor for the rest of his life if you address the issue Biblically.
Chapter and verse please. You're saying the blood of Jesus doesn't work for all sins. The greatest and unforgivable sin is unforgiveness. That is a betrayal of the finished work of Jesus.
@@edeancozzens3833it’s not that he cannot be forgiven. It’s that he no longer qualifies as leader or teacher in the church. Robert Morris is a pedophile.
@@edeancozzens3833- 1 Tim chapter 3. The minister of the Lord must be above reproach with good report from those outside. He can be restored to the Lord, but NEVER again to spiritual leadership.
Forgiveness and qualifications for being an overseer - these are different issues! And you can google that yourself; its in scripture. No one said he can’t be forgiven. But he also cannot keep his position. Good grief.
@@edeancozzens3833 are u so easily to forgive if that was your 12 year old daughter ?
James Morris does not have to carry his father's sin.
No he doesn't. But unfortunately he is feeling the effects of it. Sin has a rippling effect
My sense is even if discernment was at work in the Gateway church, those who dared to speak up would have been shutdown and rejected. Evil dominating this church.
Or if they had a F’n backbone walk out!!
He has not even apologized to Cindy or the public.He is beyond despisible.
Hi Joshua. Your speaking ability and overall commentary have improved so much over the months. Blessings and all the best to you, brother.
Wow, thank you! I appreciate that
If the church follows the biblical mandate for pastors set forth in I Timothy and Titus, then Robert Morris must never be allowed to start and/or lead another church. He was and is not blameless and as far as I can tell he has never repented. He has, it seems, fled the country and gone literally into hiding. His son, James, however, need not be held accountable for the sins of his father, and I feel very sorry for him and his sister, who have to be in unbearable pain at these horrible revelations about their father (which even their mother knew about and helped hide). We must hold our church leaders to the highest standards as outlined in the word of God. Look at the warnings to the churches in Revelation 2-3. God is not blind to what is going on, but He is longsuffering and gives time to repent. But lack of repentance, especially from those in positions of leadership, will lead to grave consequences, as we have clearly seen recently. The harm that RM has caused at Gateway is and will have profound consequences there and in the church at large. I pray that those in leadership in churches throughout the world will take a close look at themselves and those serving with them and require that leaders be held to the highest standards. And, BTW, where do we get this concept of “restoration” to the ministry after gross sin is discovered? I’m not talking about sin prior to salvation, but sin while in the ministry. A Christian who engages in gross sin, sexual sin/criminal behavior, while in a position of leadership, can NEVER be above reproach or blameless, which is a requirement for leaders. Yes, he can be restored to the body of Christ, but not to ministry. (Read I Cor. 5) This idea of stepping away for a time of restoration is rampant in churches and is unacceptable. If you want to bring up King David’s sin as I have seen many do-he was not a pastor/priest and he repented fully, and he still bore the consequences of his sin for the rest of his life. God forgives the truly repentant, but God’s word remains true and his requirements for leaders must be adhered to. Perhaps sin at the highest levels of the church is one of the reasons that we have seen sin among the sheep to be whitewashed and embraced. Lord Jesus, help us be light and not darkness.
Yes and amen! 👏🏼👏🏼
I don't think I have ever agreed completely with so many words. Very well said. 🙏
Christian marriage is a covenant. The scriptures are a guide for believers.
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@@TornCurtainIJoshuaSimoneJoshua, why don’t you talk about the 75% of m married men in America 🇺🇸 who are watching porn😢
Like Kenny Copland. Married 3 times!?
Same and more for Women!
@@johnbrodnik839 once as a non-Christian then another which is continuing to this day. Calling him "kenny" is very disrespectful....but I think you know that already
There is one unforgettable sin blaspheming the Holy Spirit
This is the first time I’ve seen your RUclips channel. Wow !! This was so helpful and informative. I love the point made: “ Marriage is a covenant not a contract “. Thanks to this episode, I am hopeful that the Lord’s forgiveness and healing as well as restoration for these people that were addressed on your show will also will be evident someday.
I find it hard to believe that the son didn't have knowledge of his father's sin like the others in the church knew.
Wasn’t the abuse years ago? His son would have a young child. ??? If the son was told his father “had sinned”….he may not have known the details. 🤷🏻♀️
So glad to hear that you mentioned this about elders. People almost worship Robert. Church of Christ, still I saw abuses that was covered up. When the Pastor challenged the elders they fired him.
What would Robert Morris want to happen to the man that raped his daughter Elaine and his granddaughters for four years.. repent yes..forgive yes.. keep preaching NO
Shame on Gateway elders to coverup for Morris sin!! Judgement is at the door
The "husband of one wife" I've always taken as not being a polygamist. What if you got divorced before you came to Christ many years earlier? What if you were serving in leadership role at a church and you didn't want to get divorced but your wife served you divorce papers? Are you disqualified? Also, I see many marriages that are still married, if you want to call it that , just to abide by the letter of the law...we are Christians so if I get legally divorced, what would other Christians at my church think of me? They essentially don't have a marriage but for a piece of paper and they have turned the covenant into a legalist act. I also know of churches that don't allow anyone to serve in a leadership role because they are an ex-con. This could have happened years earlier and then they get radically saved. Under those metrics, the Apostles Paul, who referred to himself as a murderer, would be disqualified. I HATE legalism. But, I have good company. So did Jesus.
You would be considered an adulterer and in Sin even if you were not a Christian.
The Jews had a bunch of excuses for divorce and abortion.
If you divorced, you still can’t marry another unless that person passes.
I loved how you applied grace .....breaks my heart how fast people are to pick up stones .....the whole thing is so tragic ......not sure why but my mind just keeps gravitating torwards (we already have a accuser) and man .....he is really crafty .....god bless you sir and thank you for the time spent edifying the church .....🙏
Not young lady... a CHILD
Robert was the one who used the term young lady. I used the term little girl
You have a great channel Josh.
@@allenbates8390 Thank you so much. That really means a lot
Thank you for clarifying EVERYTHING!!! I e joyed everything you said and biblical verses!😊
You are so welcome!
Don't trust Jimmy Evans either
My sister left with her 3 girls after living with an abusive husband of 26 years. Domestic issues are an exception, and you should probably talk about that as well.
It is distressing what has happened with Pastor Morris. I do not condone what he did to the minor Cindy, but at the same time he did repent and step down to seek counselling.
What disturbs me most is that all of the good teaching that he did for 35+ years has been decimated. His books, his videos, everything has been flushed down the toilet, so to speak, because of his past sin. How can we risk giving someone his books knowing that he's been disgraced like this? I have been sharing his videos with my family members for several years. What do I say to them about those teachings now? I can't share them without acknowledging that he is a moral failure?
Sin sucks...big time. It's consequences are never taken away. God may forgive us, but their consequences remains forever
It is obvious he went into the ministry for the money$$$$$.
You cannot serve both God and
4:30 mammon (money).
He should not be allowed to minister at all. He's a PEDOPHILE!
No recovery from that
Not only he sinned but other ladies were reporting inside the church about sexual
Abuse from other pastors but Morris cover it up ! This is sin too ! He was not truthful ! He teaching some of it it’s wrong technology ! You give tithes and you will never loose job etc… This is his blessed life ! What his book was saying ! Sorry I was there for 3 years and I left ! He also spoke a lot of himself ! Take those books and throw them in trash ! Tell you family and friends the truth : Morris fail !
i’ll charitably say that maybe half of his teaching was biblical the rest is absolute garbage. be very careful sharing any of it.
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I do not agree with above comments. I, however, am not a ‘bandwagon’ type of person. I am a Christian, a sinner, saved by grace. I couldn’t wake up, breathe, walk, pump gas, make coffee, do anything at all without Jesus and my precious Holy Spirit. I still can listen to Pastor Morris’s material and glean truth from it. I do not worship the man, however, I know how to forgive and forgive fully. I am a preacher’s kid(PK), and know that these people are human beings with flaws, just like you and me. My Dad struggled with an anger problem that more than likely originated with his mother and some abuse that came from ignorance, also from the stress of having a sick wife for many years (10-12 with several brain surgeries) and having to raise 3 little girls all by himself. His struggle was real. His devotion to God/Jesus Christ was real. His pain was real. Many times I disliked my Dad’s behavior very much, but always loved him. He never physically or sexually abused us, but sometimes the words or volume of the words was enough. He never said things to us like we were bad or worthless. It was more like we never knew what to expect, the happy Dad or the unhappy Dad, so we were constantly kept off-guard. To my sisters and I those behaviors became an example of how not to be. And with the infilling of the Spirit, and years of walking with Him & Jesus and growing in His wisdom and love, we are able to accomplish that.
(So, if people do not think that pastors don’t have the same struggles as others, think again. My Mom would tell me, as an adult, of stories of other pastors at Conferences they went to trying to flirt with her, one actual sexual proposal! Of course, she told Dad and he shut that right down!Pastors need much prayer!! This is written by @cherRN
Justice is not served until R. Morris is required to offer Cindy financial and personal repentance. Whatever she requires. 2 Samuel 21: 1- 6 During a 3 year famine, God required King David to seek a peace offering and atonement to the Gibeonites, for King Saul's murderous breach of covenant, before the famine would be reversed.
Our pastor said just this past Wednesday night, that when he officiated a marriage ceremony on occasion he'd tell the groom before the bride came out to walk down the aisle "If you're going to run, now's the time to run, not afterwards".
Till death do us part.
I understand you admonishing pastors to the straight and narrow......true. You also said this could affect their ministry forever. Agreed. But WHAT ABOUT THE GIRL OR FEMALE WHICH HAVE BEEN GROOMED OR USED BY A " SPIRITUAL LEADER?" What about their lives? The psycological damage incurred by a man of the cloth?? It would be like being raped by one of the disciples. A leader. Not to mention the absolute betrayal and humiliation of the spouse. Plus the abuse to the children. The entire family. Plus the church family. Its not just about the pastor. They should KNOW BETTER .
Morris moves on his merry way with $$$ the millions he has squirreled away….
Was thinking this very thing & saw your post
He is worth around $117 million. He is going to be just fine. But we cannot underestimate a man stripped of his calling
@@polskigirl8547 He may be financially secure, but make no mistake, his entire legacy has been destroyed BY HIS OWN DOING. I go to Gateway and I believe completely, this has been devastating to him, and sadly, his family. Again, had he never been allowed in leadership after Cindy’s dad came forward, RM would have never achieved the success, prominence & wealth he did. But, he is not skipping through the daisies & throwing money in the air…as virtually everything in his life has been crushed. Sometimes sin has catastrophic consequences…..
I agree with you about Jimmy Evans thank you for dealing with this.
I listened to Jimmy Evans' "Marriage on the Rock " years ago. He basically taught that if it wasn't for sex, men would never come home. That's what he thinks about women. 🤮
Have you forgotten about T.D. Jakes? He was busted with Diddy. He should be in jail. He has hurt a lot of people and needs to be taken off the streets. He's not from Dallas, but his church is in Dallas
Prophets said pedos we’re getting called out.
You are doing a good job explaining, thank you😊.
I took it from the article that they meant that James and Bridget might be restored to ministry at some point in the future. I doubt gateway Church would ever support putting Robert Morris back into ministry.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Well said, we Christians need to walk correctly all the time. God is watching us. Don’t put our faith on anyone.
We must be in the final days. Because of all this falling away. Come quickly Lord Jesus!!!
This post is problematic on many levels ,but let me start here: if Jimmy Evans says there is a dishonest and toxic environment...he should give specifics. It rings hollow and sound disgruntled. To give a vague statement is just as harmful as morris saying he had a "sexual situation " without giving specifics . He can't be presumed right just because he left a job.
Supposedly he didn't leave on his own. I think it had something to do about him predicting or giving a set time for the world to end.
Thank you for not bashing Robert!
Morris, Robinson ( could NEVER watch him ) , Lamb , Daystar , Evans , all financially intertwined and preaching a false gospel
Duplantis, Copeland - Shysters!!
Just found this today and I really liked it. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If the adulterous spouse divorces their spouse, the faithful spouse who forgave and didn't seek divorce is free to remarry. If the adulterous spouse remarries then they'll be living in sin, in adultery. If they die in this state as being in adultry even though they profess, God help them....
Good wisdom my friend
Keep reading. It says both commit adultery if either remarries.
Not many believe this.
@@djecminek lt only matters what God says, not what people think.
@@beverlyharris5413 you are correct
This was very informative. Thank you. I’m sad because I have followed all these pastors over the years and have had respect and admiration for all of them. We are surely living in end times prophecy.
Thank you so much. Blessings 🙌
I am so thankful that people are not blinded by Jimmy Evans endorsing and performing Doug's marriage to Joni. Doug's wife is still active in counseling ministry, as is Doug.
No I dont think you're sad. You seem to relish scoops and negative news about the church and present yourself as some moral barometer of the church
You check your own heart &
You just seem to relish negative news like this.
I love the Church of Jesus Christ. And have served the church my whole life while sacrificing financially. I want the church to be the best it can be- And we can do much better then this my friend. Jesus is only coming back for a bride who is ready. And this bride is NOT ready. Blessings to you!
It is often said that the divided condition of Christendom is an evil, and so it is. But the evil consist in the existence of the error that is causing the division and not all all in those who recognize the error and who are trying to correct it. The evil of the division exists not in the ones who are pointing it out and brining it up. But in the error itself that is causing the division
- J. Gresham Machen
Just to add some context. I followed Gateway Church and ihopkc since early 2000's. These churches really helped me develop spiritually. And i am thankful to them for that. So i didn't go out of my way to cover these ministries. When these scandals broke out they effected my personally. I wanted to talk about it. And so did others. Thousands of comments on these videos. I tried to do so with a TRUTH-GRACE balance. And i tried very hard not to bash people or kick them while they are down. These situations are learning experiences for the Body of Christ. And we should talk about how we will do things differently moving forward. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
JUSTICE WILL NOT BE SERVED until he goes to jail!!
I do see what you are saying. Of course we would like to see more justice. However i do see it as realistic to think he will be prosecuted criminally at this point. And i think they are going to have a hard time getting his money. I think people underestimate how devastating it is for a man to loose their calling (think Samson).
so, if you’re married to an abuser someone who is beating you up mentally, physically, abusing your children you’re still gonna stay married to their person? NO!
Jesus doesn’t want a child to stay in abusive home neither does he want an adult to stay in an abusive home.
You should not stay an physically abusive marriage. You should get law enforcement involved right away. The bible calls for separation in those cases for professional intervention. If a person will not repent after many years it might be time for a divorce. But just because you are granted a divorce on biblical grounds doesn't mean it is okay to marry in many cases.
WHY ISNT LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED IN THIS..WHY... ROBERT MORRIS. INSTEAD HE GETS A BIG PAYOUT...
WHY ISNT LAW ENFORCEMENT ENVOLVED, HE NEEDS TO SERVE PRISON TIME.
So sorry he was one of my favorite
Me too. This is heart breaking on every level. But i cannot support them after this
didn't Evans perform the matrimony for Joni Lamb I was shocked.
Now that’s a joke! Daystar is doomed!🙏
That was disgusting, Evans oked the marriage?????? Even knowing that Doug left his first wife for no good reason 😢How could Evans possibly agree to there marriage, is beyond my rational thinking 🤔
@@jax408 Joni's dress shoved me! Looked like it was purchased on Bourbon Street in New Orleans in a shop that sells lace corsets and garter belts. Not that I've ever been inside one of those places but they have big store front windows.
I appreciate your respectful treatment of these topics.