Robert Morris' Son-in-Law Reveals THIS About Gateway Church SCANDAL
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- Robert Morris' Son-in-Law Reveals THIS About Gateway Church SCANDAL
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what a beautiful soul, you can feel this Son in Law's true pain and humble soul. We need more men and leaders like this gentleman.
God s grace have❤is far reaching. My sympathy. I have sinned. Out of it came a little song I wrote it says " God is'nt sorry He saved me from SIN, He never regrets it when my faith grows dim - God isn't sorry He drew me Him. But he'd do it all over again. CHO. He'd do it all over again. He'd use the same blueprint and plan. He'd not rearrange, not one thing would I change. But He'd do it all over again.
Yes Amen. After healing for this family I hope to follow the son in law where ever he is preaching from. What a great message he just sent .❤
This young man seems to have a humbleness and gentleness in The Lord.....genuine towards the people....
His son in law sounds like he's close to tears.
Grace to them in this season. May we all call our leaders to righteous accountability
The members of Robert Morris's family who are in ministry have had their reputations and future finances by association destroyed because he wouldn't ce clean.
@anessahamilton9279 for Robert's family, Gateway, and the grandkids.....a very minute/small/insignificant mention of the "so called young lady" who was 12 years old when she was sexually assaulted by a 21 year old man....continuing until she was 16 or had just turned 17. Yeah, his son-in-law thought he was doing damage control.....no mention of worth noting for the victim....a 12 year old girl.
@@carygriggs7he didnt need to repeat the victim's age or her name. It was very obvious that the SIL meant the girl, Cindy and there may be others as I highly doubt she was the only victim of RM. We only saw part of this sermon & he may have said her name at the beginning tho again we all knew who he was talking about. I dont believe he was condoning Roberts actions or anything else
You doubt that there were not more victims. Judge much?
@FaytheInGod I don't think I said "condoning." I think I said he (the son-in-law) was doing damage control.
The victim, a 12 year old little girl, is the victim of an act by RM.
The son-in-law laid out a list of those hurt (victims) by this coming to light. RM is responsible for the hurt on his wife, his kids & their spouses, the grandkids, Gateway Church, and the vendors.....damage control in a public way is pathetic for the aforementioned "hurt" folks....that is on RM and RM alone...RM is responsible.
The son-in-law should have spent 45 minutes apologizing to the victim....then go home and call RM and say, now it's your move.
I believe? As David’s sin was so glaringly before the Lord, and he was forgiven - so Jesus can renew and restore Robert Morris. I was a child of abuse from the share of 5 to the age of 16 by my father! God has graciously redeemed me and my father was forgiven. Yes, the abused go through continuing trauma - But God! I’m so thankful for a God that considers everyone and restores ♥️
We are not to be the judge, jury and verdict He has repented,God has forgiven him my prayers are with Pastor Robert Morris, Gateway Church, and his family He is missed beyond measure he has taught me so much through his teaching and ministry ❤
Wonderful, honest, spirit filled response from a son-in-law.
Very Heartfelt And Passionate Truthful Message, Thank You
Well said Amen
Bull
This is a mature response from a loving son in law who loves Christ, loves his wife and family, loves his church, loves the truth and is committed to loving his father in law. I can feel the tension. Praying for you brother, for your church, your family and the wisdom to maneuver through this situation.
Yes & Amen.
Well said. Amen.
Well said and Amen.
Well said and Amen!
Just wondering why the son-in-law didn’t mention Cindy. Wonder if RMorris is blaming Cindy still to his family.
I am praying for pastor Robert Morris and his family,he has been a blessing to me through his teaching, not agreeing with his wrongs ,he has sinned,but I forgive him 🙏
As a young child, my grandfather attempted inappropriate touching as I wanted to lie close to him on the couch. I was 5, uncomfortable, and walked away. I never sat close to him again without other people around. My question is, why did she keep going back? I knew at 5, not to be too close to him. I also kept my secret for 65 years. I feel it only destroyed my relationship with my grandfather, which was too bad. I didn't let it destroy my life. I am not at all condoning what Pastor Morris did over 30 years ago. I don't think of him as today being over 60. I think of him as a 21 year old kid who should have known better. I pray for him and everyone involved. He has taught me a lot about the Lord and forgiveness. I pray for his family, friends, and the church. I am sorry for Cindy, and I pray for her, too, and that she finds peace. 🙏
@@donnahartmann5218 victim blaming. So what if your grandpa told everyone you were sneaking up to him trying to lure him and that's why he touched you
@@donnahartmann5218 You are a beautiful Christian. May God bless you for having a heart like his. I’m in agreement with you praying for everyone in this situation.
@@bettybumpas6704 God forgave him more than 2,000 years ago
He is a man of God
@@donnahartmann5218 you are right! She liked it and continued. Where were her parents???
That was a beautiful, honorable, Christ filled message from the son-in-law. You can just hear the pain and the heartache in his voice. Praying for Gateway and all those involved.
🙏 but he should be in jail and prison for this action like all the others sexual abuse cases 😢
@@SueBradbury-zz6rp well you have to remember that he hasn't been in court and declared guilty yet. He's only been accused at this point in time, even tho he basically admits to it, and should be in jail, he will have to go to court and be found guilty before he gets sentenced to jail, no matter that we believe he should be in jail already. He gets to have a trial first, unless he makes some sort of plea deal.
@@FaytheInGodit's past time, the statute of limitations has run out in this case. The only thing he has now is self-deprecation, loathing, guilt, shame and the fallout of such a respected pastor. So sad, because it didn't have to take this long,
fake TEARS!
@@SueBradbury-zz6rpWe all sin and fall short of the glory of God..
I've been so blessed by Robert Morris ' ministry. When we ask for forgiveness our sins are remembered no more. As far as the east from the west.This past human mistake is a trick of the enemy to destroy an awesome minister. It breaks my heart this is open for discussion. WHY?
@@marciadavis5967 agree 100%
this was my first thought. God has forgiven those who have asked for forgiveness. He that is without sin... This is another tactic of the devil to destroy the people of God
It not only destroys the minister but it destroys many people who look to this person for their spiritual teachings. Many people turn their backs on God because those in ministry have taken their eyes off the Lord at some time during their ministry and fallen into sin. Even after they have been forgiven by God, we the people of God start throwing the stones and don't know how to love these people to restorations
@@marciadavis5967 Amen 🙏
God is still on the throne. He is the judge, not me. I feel Robert did the right thing and not only confessed to God but also to Cindy and her parents. God has blessed Robert beyond measure. Robert has divinely blest many through his teachings, books, and through his giving. Many will spend eternity in heaven through his anointed sermons. Robert needs his family and friends more than ever ❤
As someone who has been through a pastors abuse I am EXTREMELY touched by your sermon. You are right that being unable to talk about it is almost unbearable but Jesus never left me. Prayimg grandparents got me through. I never blamed Jesus church but the leaders that hid it. I am older now & have managed to leave the anger behind. I pray for your family & your church because attacks from the outside hurt but attacks from trusted people within can break faith. God bless & comfort you. Love & prayers to all of you.
Yes Amen
This young man sounds far more sincere than the elders I’ve heard address this.
@@leadtrackere1476 yup, agree
Agreed
Agree with you!!!!!
Agree
@@debrajohnson3435 are you talking to me? Because I said he sounds sincere.
Prayers for Robert Morris, his entire family that is suffering and prayers for Ms. Cindy
I’m sure that Robert Morris is ground to powder. We must also pray for him…he’s still a soul.
No mention of prayer for the victim. Hmmmm?!
@@og4409 ...I wasn't going to reply, but since you took the time to type out nonsense, I felt it was worth the time. First of all, praying for her as the victim is a given so if you didn't know that then why did you comment? Oh, I know why? Because people like you are keyboard bullies who like to stir up trouble within the body of Christ. Two sets of families will be forever changed by these horrible acts, which is what I was getting at. The VICTIM and her family have already suffered and need prayer, but it is also Robert Morris and his family that need prayer as well.
@@carwen40 I started writing this and then decided I wasn’t going to bother. Thankfully after prayerful consideration I once again decided to respond. I do this because of the victims. This subject and many others need to be examined, discussed and addressed. So here goes.
You have the right to your opinion and your belief. Just as I have the same rights. If I understand your opinion correctly prayer for the victim is a given. Well my opinion, others who have commented on this video, and others I have spoken with are NOT of that opinion. This case and all the others have victims.Yes V I C T I M S. And MY opinion is that those victims need to be acknowledged repeatedly. Despite his referring to this VICTIM as a young lady it is my understanding this ABUSE started when she was 12 years old. She was a CHILD. So while I will pray for myself, for you, and even for the PERVERTED PEDOPHILE CRIMINAL pastor my prayer on this matter will be first for the VICTIM. Just as in any discussion I have about this horrible CSA crime I will acknowledge the VICTIM first and foremost.
Now as far as your opinion of my intentions in posting, well, it is just that your opinion. I have no need to stir up trouble in the body of Christ. It is VERY CLEAR the stirred up trouble in religion today is not my doings. I would like to ask you, since you feel you have the correct information on this CRIME and the Body of Christ, it seems like this criminal behavior continued for a LONG time didn’t it? Weren’t there also many “missteps” in anyone addressing it and even now insulting this poor victim by calling her a “young lady”? Are there not safeguards in place to protect children? Haven’t these things stirred up trouble in the Church? Shouldn’t these things stir up trouble in the Church?
As far as your opinion that I am a keyboard bully, again, that is your opinion. I post online the exact same thing I say in my home, to my family, to my friends and any others I have contact with. It is consistent in all. And I strive to always let it be known what is my opinion, what I have experienced, and what I have observed others experience.
On a final note I would like to share with you my opinion, my experience and the experience of many I know. I truly hope you will read and give some thought and more importantly prayer to this matter. Raised in a religion that has a fundamental interpretation of most Scripture was my beginning. As I grew my questioning of the interpretation grew. During this time bluntly my religion used, abused and tossed me away like garbage. At first I thought my situation was unique. However, as time went by I came into contact with so many others who had experienced the same thing. Part of me was relieved that it wasn’t just me. Part of me was sad that it wasn’t just me, because that meant others went through the same. I observe how it affects me and others. Some survive better than others and sadly too many don’t survive at all. I interpret Scripture to say these are ones the Church is to care for. Yet what do they receive? So many times after being used, abused and tossed away like trash they end up in worse situations. And this Church gives them self righteous condemnation and judgement, Even to the point of some religious leaders and members to call for some to be lined up and shot in the head. Then there are many of these who want to force this belief system on everyone. In my opinion what is worse is the inaction of many Christians. Good well intentioned Christian men and women who do not stir up trouble in the Church, for whatever reason, and remain silent. In my opinion this silence makes them complicit. A great deal of this behavior is perceived by the victims, the individuals abandoned by their religion and family, those without faith, and others as these CINOs being self righteous, judgmental, hypocrites. I hope and pray these lost ones find a way to return to the true Church despite these experiences. I hope the many good intentioned Christians who sit by while these CINO leaders and members continue on this path will see a need to reach out to those victims and even the perpetrators in an attempt to save all of us. In my own life there have been some very good faithful Christian men and women who have reached out to me and others. Unfortunately they are a minority. While they have never condoned anything they believed to be sinful they have also never condemned / judged anyone.
In my opinion none of us have the complete correct interpretation of the Scriptures. I also believe that we ALL will be judged. We will be judged by a perfect judge with a perfect law with a perfect verdict. And that is the only judgment I will accept as perfect and just.
God has also used Robert Morris in wonderful ways! I pray for him daily 🙏
I also pray for the victim 🙏
I forgive Pastor Robert. Also empathize with the woman. Also, Pastor Morris, you are missed.
The most important thing is that he repents and honestly turns away from sin.
She is a woman now, she was a child.
Prying for pastor Robert and his family for healing and restoration
I have and will continue to pray for Mr. Morris and your whole family. I listened to his pod cast almost everyday. Elaine has been always been a blessing as well. This was a wonderful message a humble and strong way to lead the church to healing through the Lord. It sure helped me. His word will never go out void. Continued prayers.
I have watched and enjoyed Pastor Morris enthusiastically every Sunday. I love his teaching.
He admitted many many times of his Past indiscretions.
I wasn't my place to judge him.
I cried and cried when it ALL to light.
My first thought, pray for his family!!
I hope Debbie and family will forgive him. 🙏
If the church have known this before and did nothing about it that is also a big problem in the church.
You are pretty self righteous with this comment
The congregation probably didn't know they would have had a meeting about this hopefully.
Praying for restoration.
The church had been informed that he had "an inappropriate relationship with a young lady," NOT that he'd molested a child! There's a HUGE difference in the world between those scenarios that help us understand WHY the church didn't act appropriately!!!!
I have been a Gateway member for many years but will no longer be going to church there because I believe that the elders in the church knew about this and covered it up.
God is concerned about everyone who is connected to this. Both sides are in pain & traumatized. Now God in HIS INFINITE WISDOM will minister to each one concerned. Our job as the BODY OF CHRIST is to keep ALL IN PRAYER. I BELIEVE IN HIS HEALING POWER FOR EVERY BROKEN HEART & DAMAGED SOUL
If you are willing to be open and honest.
So well said. There is always 2 sides to every story.
I agree. I am praying for both sides, their families, and the church family that attend Gateway as well in this difficult time. God loves everyone. He can heal and restore. We serve Almighty God who can do all things. We as Christians should all be praying for them all. God has forgiveness, mercy and grace for all.
One in pain through choice, and one in pain by default, two very different things, e.g. Satan killed our Lord, or am I missing something.Or was it Jesus's fault?
Idk, I'd like to hear RM's comments about his actions and what steps he has taken to rehabilitate himself. Yes, I'm sure he has confessed his sins to God and Jesus has forgiven him but the sin in the stylish realm (mind, will, emotions) takes work on our part. It isn't an misty Preston process! The fact that RM even offered to buy Cindy's silence "so he and Debby could start a church" (probably because he knew nobody else would hire him to be on staff if he told them the 'whole' truth) still bothers me! That tells me that he still had/has no clue of the lifelong damage he has done to Cindy as well as to her family and friends that trusted and befriended him! That to me is deceitful behavior! Let the courts decide! Now, multiply this situation by the thousands or more for all those who've had their innocence taken away in their youth but who are still suffering in silence!
It is my understanding that he apologized 30 yrs ago, and that the church knew about it. Yes, he did wrong, but aren't we called to forgive as Christ forgives us? I know how difficult forgiving is in this situation having been horribly abused and cheated on myself for many yrs. God's grace is greater than the pain of the abuses. What bothers me most is the way some of Robert's closest friends have totally turned on him for something he did and repented of 30 yrs ago. Thank God that He doesn't treat us this way. Yes, we should have love and care for the abused, but we also must love those who have acted as our enemies. I pray that Jesus will grant to all His grace, mercy, forgiveness, love, and faith.
Well said you are a real Christian
YES AMEN!! FORGIVENESS!!! GOD REMEMBERS NO MORE WHEN WE ARE FORGIVEN!! SO WHY ARE SO MANY JUDGING HIM FOR FOR A REPENTED SIN?? GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE, NOT MAN. SIN HAS NO MEASURE, WE ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF GODS GLORY. THATS WHERE GODS MERCY AND GRACE COME IN BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE.❤
@@michaelcuellar6912well said
She was 12 years old, he may have to suffer consequences.
morris has shown no repentance. He has lied the whole time calling her young lady. She was a mere 12 yrs old. And it's despicable for the wife debbie to have called Cindy ...and say she for gives her?? This is insane. He has not repented!! More things that have been hidden will be revealed.
I'm from South Africa., Port-Elizabeth I felt dearly for Pastor Robert.He did ask for forgiveness and believed Jesus already forgave him why can't people not forgave him.I love you Pastor Robert
It was a crime and should have been handled as such. He is not above the law, even forgiven. Accountability is important. This child had it all handled around her without her imput. I promise you that may have ended it for him, but did not for her.
@@GladysSteyn-e4w he wasn't truthful. It was not an honest apology.
This son in law gave a beautiful message that stayed focused on Jesus and the finished work of the Cross. Thats what we all need to do.
Therein lies the problem. Christians think they get to skip the devastation plant your head in the sand & act like everything is fine. No we need to feel the pain, acknowledge the secular arrows & face the shame. Just moving on does not work because this happens too often. The disgrace to Gods name is damaging and needs to be mitigated.
Yes, but not to forget about the VICTIM!
Is a Pedophlia crime no justification
Complete stonewall to the actual victim in this case. Sad.
Jesus would have focused on the victim. You are part of the problem in churches today. Pathetic
It is devastating to the children, Son in law, and grandchildren. So sad and I pray that God will help them through this. We must realize that our actions effect others for generations!
The sins of the fathers.
Did he mention anything about the victim????
And Most of all Cindy the child.
@@deborahroghair5993yes he did
@@deborahroghair5993 did you watch it? If not, do so, and you'll have your answer.
The biggest thing needed is prayer to get God's will. It's clear Robert made some things right with God years ago.
This is beautiful, and so needed at this hour, dear brother. It was moving to hear this son-in-law take a honest, vulnerable, and direct stance that was both personal and applicable to the body of Christ. Thank you, so much, for sharing this!
This is the most sane, godly response I have seen to this catastrophe since it happened, both on the part of this channel & Ethan - I pray the Lord would continue to use both these men as beacons of His light during these dark days of pain & turmoil to guide, restore & bring healing to His holy name & those who are suffering as a result of Morris' ungodly actions.😢🙏💔✝️
So true
I love the body of Christ. God still loved Moses, David, Saul, Solomon, etc…and God still loves Pastor Morris also. I pray for reconciliation between pastors and their victims.
Sin is sin and always will be sin, regardless of who feel they have forgiven him, we should leave it to God, to forgive, and Cindy.
Let him/her who is without sin among us be the first to pick up, then cast a stone. Included in our sin is self-righteousness. I am reminded that the Bible says, "There is NONE GOOD, but the FATHER." 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Help us, the people of God, to PRAY!
That doesn’t mean you’re fit for ministry. There is a difference.
Daily I see CINO individuals who are constantly throwing stones. In my opinion if more people focused on their own salvation and less on judging others our religious communities and our society as a whole would be more Christ like.
@chadood7645
Every person on the planet is a sinner saved by grace.
When God forgives us HE qualifies us for ministry.
God chooses who HE will call and use.
People need to remember that this happened 30 years ago and Robert repented and God Forgave and God FORGOT about it!!!
Perhaps we should follow God's example....
FORGIVE AND FORGET IT!
@@kathybittle9476 Matthew 23:27-28
New International Version
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
@@og4409 HE REPENTED
HE'S FORGIVEN
As a victim of child, abuse, sexual assault as a child, this is something that I had to live with all my life and often wondered where the adults were to protect me. It was a man that lived next-door to us. He sexually abused me and my sister, and a friend of mine that lived across the street it affected my life and something that I will never forget. In this man that lives next-door when he knew we were going to tell our mother that’s when he took off and never came back. I had to overtime him to forgive him. I don’t know whatever he did after that, I pray to God that he didn’t molest any other little girl, this trauma affected me all my life. I never felt good enough. I felt dirty. I felt so many emotions I can say this if it wasn’t for God I wouldn’t made it through the tragedy of all this is there’s two families that are hurting because of what Robert Morris did, I pray that God can restore both families and embrace and love them and hold them close to his heart. I pray for peace surpasses all understanding and God bless both of the families that are involved in this thank God for Jesus or there wouldn’t be any hope for any of us, amen
God bless this man and his wife and daughters. You could hear how painful this was for him. Now THIS is the example of a Godly man. 🙏❣️
I keep praying for pastor robert. I feel in my heart God has forgiven him he has been redeemed. We all make mistakes and we are not perfect. I feel he was forgiven and redeemed a long time ago.
He can be restored to the family of God, but cannot be a leader in the church.
He ruined a young girls life, a pain that will never leave her. My husband was sexually assaulted by his youth pastor, that was 30 years ago, and it still affects him today. Robert Morris is only sorry because he got caught. If he had revealed this earlier, before he started a church, and made millions of dollars, this would be a much different story. But he didn’t. I bet he prayed every day that this girl would not reveal this. Yes, God forgives him, but let’s not put him on a divine pedestal, this was not just a mistake, it was a deliberate attempt to have sexual relations with a 12 year old. While he was married. And had a son. And he was a preacher. And he never disclosed this to anyone. That’s messed up. This isn’t just an affair, or stealing, this guy ruined this girls life!
He’s forgiven but his words mean nothing, and his legacy is tarnished.
@@amyhousewright6811
AMY, YOU TOO ARE SELF RIGHTEOUS!
TRY TO LISTEN TO A INTERVIEW WITH CINDY CLEMINSHIRE!
SHE ADMITS THAT ROBERT MORRIS DID ASK FORGIVENESS FROM HER FATHER, DON'T KNOW IF THE MOTHER WAS THERE OR NOT! AND, ROBERT MORRIS DID CONFESS THE ELDERS AT THE CHURCH HE WAS WORKING AT.
I'M SURE YOU CAN HEAR THE VIDEO OF CINDY CLEMINSHIRE ON THE INTERNET!
Very sensitive presentation, dear brother. I love that you mentioned collateral damage, because that's huge in this situation and you did very well and presenting that. Thank you again and God bless you as you minister in this format.
Stop these things. Robert is accountable to His God not to any man. Robert shd not have resigned. He has lived in purity since then. When the righteous fall he rises up again. When the rapture takes place and Robert flies with Jesus and all those speaking against him and rubbing it in are left behind, all this does not matter. Right now what matters is let everyone work out his or her salvation with trembling. Be strong Robert
@@SeekTruth-mo1jj Amen 🙏
God is still with this man as he goes through his storm. I pray for the victims of this tragedy. Praise God, we serve an awesome God who is still the same yesterday today and forever, so let's trust God with the outcome. I pray that all who are involved keep their eyes on Jesus who is the author and finisher of their faith. Praying for all.
The good thing is that Robert saw the Pharisees he had in his church. They are evil. They treated him like trash.
B
I feel like weeping for all involved, when one hurts in the body it affects all believers.....
What a Beautiful man of God!!
Father pls Kp Eathan and his family in the palm of ur hands. We see and hear the dissaponitment and sadness in his voice.
LET GOD BE THE JUDGE TO WHAT PASTOR ROBERT DONE TO THIS YOUNG CHILD.
GOD ALWAYS DO A BETTER JOB THAN US.
Heart broken and praying for Cindy and her family and Bro Robert and his family.
Began praying the moment I heard it and will continue.
This young man impressed me with truth and spirit. I wanted him to also be fired, thinking no healing would come for the church family members if there's still family in authority. But I'm wrong after listening to him.
Why would he be fired?
I so appreciate your sensitivity and understanding of how far reaching sexual abuse is!! I was abused by a youth leader and didn't tell my parents for 20 years. When I did, they chose not to say anything to protect his family! Also, I was married for 25 years before my eyes were opened to my husband's acts of abuse with our daughter and then later our granddaughter. He has never admitted any of it and he has had no consequences. My daughter then married a man that was an abuser. Our family is so dysfunctional and torn apart. I have, alone, tried to be there for everyone but now at 63, am unable to handle life myself. Sexual abuse of any kind changes your brain and therefore your decision making process. I am so thankful that through it all, God has drawn me (many times kicking and screaming) to Himself. I know God uses all for our good and His glory and this is what brings me comfort! Thanks again!
I am so sorry this all happened to you. I love it that you though being so hurt you still hold on to God even while sometimes you did it kicking and screaming.
I know about holding on to God while kicking and screaming. My life was also filled with a lot of betrayal, pain and struggles.
Yes my hope too is He will use everything for good some how.
Love and blessings
Anne
Thank you Anne! One day we will suffer no more!
@janicecanady9814 - I am so sorry for all the horrific pain you and yours have had to endure. I think I'm one of the few people on earth who have lived outside of these dispicable and repugnant atrocoties, however, I do think I am an empathetic person and it breaks my heart to hear about people who endure such evil. I'm so glad to hear that you have kept your faith in Jesus. One day you will be released from the pain and suffering you've lived through, and for all eternity you will know the Love and Peace He intended for us all to live under. Meanwhile, He can, and I'm sure does, heal you; it might be here a little, and there a little, but keep your eyes on Him; vengengence is His 🤗 Psalm 147:3
He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds. 🙏🏼🙏🏼✝✝
Janice, I am so sorry. I understand you completely as I am a survivor as well. Someone who was abused this way by her pastor father told me once to remember that Jesus was watching and He was weeping. He did not cause this sin, Satan did. That has stuck with me ever since. I hope it can be a comfort to you. He loved the children and always called them to Himself because He was loving and gentle. He is our hope and one day we will be with Him in a place where no one can hurt us again. Cindy will be there too and many other abused women. But we will be whole and totally healed. Bless you sister.
I feel your pain. My daughter was only 5 when her own father abused her. He was never blamed, never arrested, never even a slap of the wrist.
I'm convinced on God's mercy for all no matter what the situation.
What I’m waiting to see is the church reaching out to pastor Robert and Debbie to acknowledge their redemption they worked through and embraced and believed in Jesus’s forgiveness. How could they have served feeling guilty or shameful? They believed in their forgiveness. They committed to serving the church. They’ve done this for decades. It’s like we are judging this act and refusing to be Christ’s love towards Robert and Debbie. Don’t you see that outwardly loving Robert and Debbie will not lessen their consequences?? I’ve not heard one supportive statement to them. This is not a reflection of Christ’s love. 😢
He molested a child!!!
I pray for them. I don't condone what he did at all but I think he does love God, just should have been stopped from doing what he did years ago. I'm sure he's in turmoil and should be. I hope Cindy can find healing
I Say As A North Jersey Cover To Cover Bible Believing Blood Washed Born Again Christian Pastor Robert Morris HAS BEEN FORGIVEN …… Praise OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST Who Shed His Blood On Calvary For ALL Who Will Keep There Faith In THE CROSS Where All Sin’s Are Forgiven Past Present And Future….. Someone Please Explain How The Entire Body Of Pastor Robert’s Anointed Continual Cover To Cover Teaching And Preaching Should Be Totally Removed From -(TBN-Daystar-So Called Ministries-)- As A Blood Bought Christian I’m Truly Grieving That The Enemy In The Time And Hour Of This Nation’s Condition Has The Ability Too Disrupt Thru A Power That Can Not Be A True Reputation Of MY LORD And SAVIOR JESUS. Pastor Robert As A 68 Year Old Former Catholic Who 9 Month’s Ago Lost His Right Leg Due To Being Allergic To A Hospital Blood Thinner (Heparin) And Lost A 49 Year Self Employed Truck Driving Career…… I Say PRAISE JESUS You And Your Family AND The Young Woman Are In My Daily Prayer’s. All Please Consider As A Body Of God The Father God The Son God The Holy Spirit We Can Not Allow The Enemy To Destroy Pastor Robert’s Totally Anointed Body Of Teaching And Preaching, Pastor Robert From North Jersey I ASK For An Abundance Of Blood Bought BLESSING’S On You Your Entire Family And Especially The Young Woman In The Name Of JESUS!!!!! Amen. P.S. Pastor Robert WE Are Going Thru!! And Please Excuse My Incorrect Grammar And Punctuation….. 50 Years Operating Tractor Trailer Ah.
Gee, Melly, what about the victim. You're a bleeding heart for a lying child perp and never mention the victim anywhere...not one tear!
@@flandrensinteriors3428 He did stop doing it… 40 years ago and repented. It’s under the blood of Jesus. God’s love can heal everyone involved. He healed me from the abuse I suffered after I forgave my abusers. I’m victorious because of Jesus.
Gateway has been my place of worship two different times. I have watched Robert’s sermons many many times. For people to even infer that Robert is not a repentant man…..I may be missing something….but have we not seen that fruit with our own eyes? People need to look at his heart not his sin. This is the exact thing that Jesus did in his ministry. Matthew 15……what comes out the mouth is what defiles us. These things have not come out of Robert’s mouth…..he is a repentant man. He’s been in counseling has he not? The woman that’s going all over the place to continue spewing her bitterness…..she needs to repent and let Jesus heal her. Bitterness is just as damaging to the body of Christ. I was molested by two men when I was 6 years old (am 70 now). I carried that bitterness for 24 years until Jesus healed me. Noticed I have gone 40 years without bitterness…..what’s wrong with this woman that cries she’s a believer, but yet she still walks broken. If she is truly a believer then she needs to be healed where she does not want to see “justice” done to her perpetrator. Does the body of Christ forget about forgiveness….do they not preach the Jesus of the Bible. I am disappointed that this sin was hidden. But I am more ashamed that the body of Christ does not heed to the scriptures. Let go of the hurt, the bitterness, the unforgiveness, the hate, the retaliation…..let this Jesus of the Bible heal your wounds. He will do that if you ask him.
You are missing something. He did not repent. He lied about what he did for 40 years. Does that sound like repentance? He didn’t come clean. He got caught.
He did not get caught.
She needed to shut up....does she not care how many lives she has now ruined???
She will be judged.
She and all the me too's need to shut up.
Out of all the men that served God in the Bible, they too had to repent, which they did to be able to serve God and bring others to Christ.
Robert Morris was definitely in the wrong, but I truly believe he has repented.
He has been greatly used by God since repentance.
I don't know if he asked the woman and family to forgive him and possibly this is what he needed to do for them to get through the horrible acts that he did.
I do not know what the family or the woman went through mentally and I do pray they can get through this now by forgiving and moving on.
I can understand the anger, frustration, hurt and pain, but after 42 years, forgiveness is their only way to find peace for themselves.
Did she and the family try to call Robert Morris before going public and try to talk about what happened?
Maybe, he has tried to call you to ask for forgiveness, if not, he should.
If he has called and they didn't accept his repentant apology, then they should again try to reach out to him for their own peace.
Joyce Myers was sexually abused by her father and she found peace by forgiveness.
Yes, it took her many years, but that is when she got peace from God.
Unforgiveness holds us captive and keeps us bound from going forward.
God has forgiven many sins of many of His teachers and followers.
He forgave murderes and used them, of course after repentance.
That did not help the ones that were murdered, they could not forgive the murderer but Jesus could and did, just as we should.
I'm sure the murderer relived those murders over and over even after repentance, because even though God can forgive them it is so hard for us to forgive ourselves a lot of times.
Eventually we can when we truly understand His forgiveness and that is when we can forgive others.
May God's forgiveness fill all of these hearts so all may feel the freedom of peace that God wants us to feel.
How dare you.@@laurastumpo972
Your wrong I’ve heard Morris tell lies about what the scripture says he is a false teacher and I can prove it from Roberts own words also him as a preacher from his youth had no business preaching he disqualified himself when he raped that young girl for 5years and now he says ( emplieing) hit was an adult he’s not repented he still is a lier and those who covered up for him are guilty as well
Lord be with this family and the victims and the church ❤
From experience, I know families are devastated by what the head of the family does in these cases. We should keep Robert Morris families in prayers. They are not responsible for his actions.
It's sad when things like this happens,but I seem to think RM is not fully opening up usually people like Robert Morris could have also been abused at a very young age and such people does not like to talk about it or to be questioned about it because at a young age your abuser threatens you.iin some cases if it gets to much for them usually they do the unthinkable.😯🫢🤦♂️
What about the lady that was abused as a child.
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If he's asked God for forgiveness then he's forgiveness and everyone else's opinion doesn't matter ...GOD forgave David for his sins .....who are we to judge this matter ...leave it to GOD !!!
He never repented. What you have to ask yourself is why you are so dead set on protecting and defending a pedophile. This pig continued to lie about what he did, and when the truth came out, he still lied- calling her a "young woman" when she was a little girl; and saying a "inappropriate relationship" when he groomed and molested a little girl and stuck his fingers inside her for almost FIVE YEARS. When she filed a civil suit against him in 2005, she only asked for $50,000, to cover the cost of lifelong therapy she has needed; Robert and his lawyers told her no- we'll give you $25,000, and you sign an NDA, agreeing to never tell anyone what was done to you.
That is nowhere near asking for forgiveness or repentance. Jesus said it is better for a man to have a millstone hung around his neck and be tossed in the middle of the sea, than what He's gonna do to him, for hurting a child. Stop coddling pedophiles and start caring for the victims. It's sick minds like yours that kept this evil man in the pulpit for all these years.
God also wants Morris to make amends. He should never be in front of a congregation again unless it's to apologize. This son in law and daughter and the rest of his family are caught in the cross fire. If Morris was repentant he would've come totally clean years ago. Instead he referred to this as an affair with a young woman. In fact it is statutory rare when it involves a minor. Let's protect children and not preditors.
Are you serious? So are you saying the opinion of that innocent little girl does not matter? I am so sick of people saying if he asked for forgiveness that is enough. Well it is not. This "who are we to judge" nonsense is old and falling on deaf ears. Asking for forgiveness does not mean he is a changed man. Even in his admission, he tried to minimize the impact of his predatory actions. He attempted to blame the little girl, and yes, she was a girl, not a young lady. This predator caused irreparable damage, so no, asking God for forgiveness is not enough.
For the body of Christ, forgiveness is absolutely a command. However, the crime of sexually assaulting a 12 year old girl, is punishable by law, and there is no statute of limitations.
God's judgment no joke. His Word is to obey. God use Nathan too. Jesus help us all❤🙏
Yes, focus on Jesus. Focus on the things that He said are right and wrong, BUT do not ignore something that is so obviously WRONG.
The Word of God says to forgive those who have done us wrong..
That applies to everyone..
So, we forgive and let the pervert return with a ticker-tape parade? You can't be a 1-verse hobby-horse rocking away the carpet.
Amen 🙏
Forgiveness… what Jesus gave to everyone who DID NOT deserve it. And he asks us to do the same.
What’s your point ?
Easy to say when YOU weren't the one molested with this man's fingers thrust inside you. It's people like who who are responsible for keeping this man in the pulpit. SHAME ON YOU!
@@aheartforhealthif he confessed it than it's forgiven. He is cleanse from all unrighteousness! Show me where leaders are exempt from sin? It takes a lot to be a leader, but when he makes a mistake the body crucify him.
There is healing for victims and Pastors alike. God is the Judge of all. Let God be the judge. But let healing begin now on both sides, because this is the will of God. I thank God for the revealing, healing and restoration on both sides.
God be merciful to me a sinner.
Amen.
I prayed for the Morris family, And others that were involved. The Scripture that was brought to my attention was "...God is rich in mercy..." May God redeem them all.
This allegation happened 20+ years ago, prior to pastor Robert accepting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. GOD forgives and used pastor Robert to bring me to Christ.
Sending LOVE AND PRAYERS FOR ALL THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST ✝️🙏♥️ WE LOVE YOU ALL WE MUST ALL WALK IN LOVE AND FORGIVENESS ✝️🙏♥️
The love of God is clearly demonstraded by this Godly man, Ethan. Jesus must remain the focus through it all......God is both a forgiving God, and Healer God.....As Christians we pray for those caught in the ripple effect of this sad story.....Lord, please do what only You can do! 🙏🙏❤❤❤🙏🙏
This needs to be a lesson on forgiveness, grace, mercy, bring the body back to unity, not condemning and judging like we are God. I pray for everyone involved. And I know that I have committed sins in my past especially when I was young but I'm not proud of. But that's what the blood of Jesus is for for taking our sins and our iniquities and changing them from Scarlett to widest snow. And I think we is the body of Christ need to be like Jesus and bring forgiveness and restoration
Seriously??? Restore Morris to his glitzy pulpit???
@@karenhatmaker7775 this needs to be a lesson on how to properly hold leaders accountable. The rush to forgive and restore the leader is so misguided. It's always about the leader needing to stay in our her back in the pulpit and victims are told to forgive and move on with their life. And if they struggle with that, they're not good Christians. The Church has so much work to do. This formula that you've laid out is the go to response for decades and it's the reason so many leaders have not been held accountable and so many victims struggle with what happened to them for years or even decades. Until the victims become the priority and the Church learns to truly bind up their wounds, no amount of restoration will matter.
Praying for Pastor Robert and his whole family. We should not be standing in judgement the way soo many have.🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌
I (Linda) respectfully would like to say this happened 40 years ago. Since then, as far as I know he has not continued in this sin.. The American Church is soft. We have yet to learn what the forgiveness of God is. It is easy to sit in judgment on one and not the other. I understand this went on for 5 years. She said her parents knew about it. Obviously, they did not know about it until many years later. Why 40 years later? I am sorry, but the victim is not pure in this. At first, yes in the beginning, but now? If we didn't need a Savior, we wouldn't have one. If we didn't need a Redeemer, God wouldn't have given us one. If we didn't have a Deliverer we wouldn't have one. We live in a battleground. The Church is terrible at destroying their own wounded. This whole situation at the root is a grievance between 2 people. I question the intentions of the 50 plus year old victim. This should have been dealt with years ago. Jesus gave instructions in Matthew 18. There is a process. The Church is negligent in following the Word of God concerning these things. If God forgives, then who are we to not forgive? A mature person in the Lord will forgive and move on. People who leave the Lord because of what another does to them are spiritually immature and refuse to trust God. When we idolize men, they will fail us. When we worship God and keep our focus on the Lord, we will grow in grace and favor with the Lord. I trust that God will bring healing on all levels in this. Just as King David committed adultery with Uriah's wife, Bathsheba, who became pregnant with his child, and then David killed Uriah using the enemy to do it, God sent a prophet to confront him with his sin. David's immediate reaction was repentance. it is amazing that even under the Law of Moses, God did not remove David from his position and order him to be stoned. There were consequences that effected his family, but he remained King and is still honored as being in the Messianic Family Line. REPENTENCE IS NOT AN EMOTION, IT IS A CHANGE OF BEHAVIOUR. This has been seen over the years in Robert Morris's ministry. I am not saying he is perfect or pure, but neither is the other party. FORGIVENESS IS BIG WITH GOD. WE NEED TO GROW UP AND BECOME THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS HE HAS CALLED US TO BE. We must remember these people are part of the Family of God and pray for healing and wholeness for all involved. We must lift up the person who had this happen to her and her family, and the Morris family that these things can be remedied according to the wisdom of God and not the laws of man.
She was a child, so don't be so cruel. Cindy was an innocent child.
She is saying the truth ! Yes she was a child was she innocent ? Only God knows ! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Changed behavior???? 😂 Are you serious? He gave a sermon many times on Jake’s Motel that he dedicated his life to God in 1981 ROOM 12. He said that he may have sinned but he never returned to sexual sin! He said if you were saved when you were 8 and you sinned sexually in your teens, that your salvation was not real like his wife Debbie. He said Debbie’s salvation was real at 8 because she was a true believer during her teen years. He said that he turned in 1981 and that’s when he was actually saved because he didn’t turn back to his son knowing dang well he did what he did from 1982-1987! He preached this over and over! I was thinking for years that I wasn’t truly saved when I was 10. He said my family was cursed because we weren’t tithing. We started tithing! I reached out to gateway for help from my cheating ex husband! The pastoral care made excuses for my ex and made me feel as if it was my fault! They made excuses for the cheater!!!!! This would be totally different had he been honest and said that he was “saved” in Jake’s hotel and fell back into sexual sin, but he didn’t! He made us feel that our salvation wasn’t real! This is not a man who changed! Everyone let him preach room 12 over and over, making people feel like their childhood baptism wasn’t real! There’s something wrong with this on soooooo many levels! Unbelievable that anyone would say this! How inconsiderate of the victim! It’s so hard to come out because you are afraid of people like you!!!!! This is not God’s fault, this is a man’s fault! He lied for years! We also went to a 911 couples counseling after another affair with my ex. That couples home group also blamed me, “the wife” and made excuses of my ex with his porn addiction! That MAN, Robert Morris, needs to publicly apologize and needs to be tender towards Cindy! Unreal!!!!!!!!!
Again Thank you Linda for this beautiful words ! Very well said ! Love you 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
Amen The Wisdom of God is what matters- He and HE alone gives approval- His approval matters. Man's Obedience to the principles of God is the subject here
I’m praying for you all. My heart hurts for all that have been affected by this. And the whole body of Christ that we would keep our eyes on Jesus. God is a good good Father.
Thank you 4 this. May our precios Lord bring restoration 2 all involvded. ❤
Robert Morris over the years has taught my husband and I more about Jesus and the Bible than we ever learned at any other church.
This pastor’s message should have been the one given from the Gateway mother church instead of the one the member from their board of directors gave last week. This pastor’s words and his humble and grieving demeanor came through as genuine; sincere. In addition, there is no statute of limitations in the State of Texas where some of the SA took place according to Cindy’s testimony. #JusticeForCindy #JusticeForAll 💜
E just said that statutes of limitation is expired
@@michelegreene3995 You’re welcome to look it up yourself. The statute of limitations expired in Oklahoma but not in Texas. Cindy has testified that the SA began in Oklahoma when she was 12, but went into her teenage years both in Oklahoma and Texas.
@@iamme123182 you miss the point. Legal is of the world.
Those in the spiritual are called to a higher calling. Do you know this poor women has never found a church home...only attending church sporadically. But reading her bible as she went with memories of her father reading the bible around the dining table. She has never experienced the sense of belonging that we have.perhaps after Gateway recovers from this attack over the next 490 days they with their new pastor can invite her to attend church with them.
This is between her and Robert Morris.He will have 490 days as he turns the other cheek without retorting to see God's working for him.
Let God sort this out.
Did you know she said she wants to close Gateway...a false church with a false pastor on air on RUclips. Turn the other cheek. Be the family that you are and pray for her whatever you hear for the next 490 days
Amen to your comment!
@@iamme123182 laws regarding the statute of limitations have changed, but they only apply from the date the change in law occurred, not for things that happened decades ago.
It took A LOT of courage & prayer for this Son-in-Law to share this. I can hear his heart! What a sad time for the entire family & the Gateway Church Body. My prayers are with them all. The Holy Spirit is the GREAT COUNSELOR! He will give them wise counsel, as only He can do! Praying for all concerned!
This is why so many who experienced this never came forward. This brave young man is a wonderful spokesperson for the family. It will take pastors like him who will keep the church from collapsing.
We all fall short of the glory of God. We must pray for them.
Why is no one saying that this happened 35 years ago?
Why is no one mentioning that Robert did confess this sin and received ministerial counseling for 3 years?
Why is no one mentioning her parents? What happened to her was terrible,however, why now? Is she seeking financial compensation? There are a lot of questions here that needs answering.Again where are her parents? Why come forth now. 35 years ago it was known about why now?
Yes, why hasn't she received healing after 42 years. If you get healing from Jesus then the issue is in the past under the blood of Jesus. Why now? What happened to her was horrible, but he repented and step out of ministry for years . I pray she will truly forgive and let go for her own soul. I pray for them all
@@cherylupshaw6628 My daughter was molested at 5 years old. She didn't tell us till she was 28. People are critical of Cindy because they don't understand the psychology of what happens to victims and how this sort of thing gets buried because of coping mechanisms that kick in subconsciously. My daughter talked about it off and on for the next 10 years. It got old for us, but we tried not to shut her down. She needed to vent and we didn't fully understand it all. After hearing more victims come forward I'm sort of getting it. Yes I would think a person with this injury should surely eventually find healing but I don't know because I've never walking in their shoes.
I was around Robert when he confessed this to the people who worked with him. My Mom was one of them. The girl was told to be 16. Which she was at the time of confession. But it was a different time. Perspective was different, and her family choose not to press charges. And he did repent, he changed , I personally saw the fruit of it. I am 59. My mom is gone. Robert needs to be forgiven restored to the body of Christ and retire.
Today's Christian mindsets are confusing.How does one witness to sinners and preach repentance if sins aren't forgiven? What is the purpose of the church if once sinners always sinners?Is there a time line for forgiveness?If not the church and religion as a whole is irrelevant!
Pride goes before the fall.
This son in law gave a beautiful, sincere and humbling sermon.
Yes, it was...in fact, too "wordy-humble" for me. Not any scripture touching the horrors Cindy endured, most was directed towards Morris with a subtle loving airbrush. Some was appropriate but too much political spin the other way...religious deflections.
Proverbs 16:18
King James Version
18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
@bert-cq3ij your comment is very heartless.
Certainly not the heart of God.
@@carolynnmarkiewicz6015 Reallyeth? This is 2024, and NOT 1611. Speaketh common English, okayeth?
@@carolynnmarkiewicz6015 Gee, that sounds familiar...Oh yeah, the disciples said to Jesus, "Lord this is a hard (difficult) saying and people are leaving..." Jesus called a spade a spade, didn't mince his words to suit others like you.
What about the victim's HEALING?????
That's what I wander
If Robert Morris really Sexually assaulted this woman She should have took care of this situation back in the day. When my stepdad said vulgar things he wanted to do to me putting his hands on me I told my Mother and she prayed to Jesus in 1979. Always deal will issues at the time they took place.
@@LeighUpchurch We all make our choices, that relationship lasted 4+ years. The victim mentality is for those who are being forced today to be victims.
@@TracyAbellera - She can forgive only through our Messiah, Yeshua Jesus 70x7.
She was innocent and was truly deeply wronged but has made an adult decision to bring down a mountain of pain on thousands of others. I pray somehow this retribution, justice or vengeance is healing for her so she can go on with her life and leave the rest.of the innocents to heal themselves. This young pastor, his wife and kids are innocent and cast no stones - only love.
The ultimate victim is not Ethan Fischer, or his wife Elaine, or their children, or his church. The victim is Cindy Clemishire. Ethan ignores her. He cannot say her name. If he wants to help victims of abuse, start there.
Yes.
Yes, you are right!
He already did he doesn't have to say her name a million times
Cindy is the first victim. Everyone who placed faith in Morris is a victim. He was false teaching wolf long before this happened.
Robert’s kids are victims just as Cindy was. They are innocent in it all but still very much affected.
That was 30 years ago. Isn't there room for grace and forgiveness?
Proof that sin affects others as well as the one committing the sin...
I am not a Robert Morris fan, I have never liked his teachings. But the fact that this has been 35 years and there is no other victims. I think things have gotten way out of hand. I am not saying there shouldn’t be consequences. But how has this went on for so long. I read that the victim wanted 2 million dollars. I think I would have stepped out and admitted and ask for forgiveness before being blackmailed.
So you’re saying there should be more victims for him to answer for what he did? He hid this, for 35 years. He was never honest or forthcoming about it. He should never have been allowed to be a pastor according to scripture. Blackmailed? He should have HAPPILY given this victim anything she asked for. He never gave her ANYTHING, other than a lifetime of mental anguish. And she has had to stand by and watch as he became a star and very wealthy knowing what he had done. And that he never suffered AT ALL. His wife forgave him. His church forgave him. And he became a success in fame and fortune.
Why did these people wait 35 years. I read something where she wanted 2 million dollars. Does she want justice or a pay off. They should have went to the police at the time it happened. Why did they wait. If he would have become a no body and broke would they still go after him. It just doesn’t sound right to me
@@davidprice9792go listen to her story and you’ll see. Being a CHILD victim to a manipulative adult is VERY complicated you can’t understand until you go through it.
@@davidprice9792 that 2 million is false. However. He admitted to this. You dont need more victims. He should be in jail. Even she wanted a billion dollars the issues is this man lied about being 20..when he was closer to 30. He was a husband and had a small child and above all he was a Minister who committed crimes of sexual nature against a child. I dont think he was blackmailed but I agree with you he should have stepped outing admitted his wrong before all of this was exposed but that shows how arrogant and steeped in pride this man was.
It's documented that she asked for $50,000 for extended counseling.... they offered $25,000 as long as she submitted to a NDA(non disclosure agreement). She's got the receipts from that conversation.
Well you asked for comments so here's my thought :God bless Robert Morris and family.
What just seems a little odd for me is that Cindy had years of therapy which she requested $25,000 and then later $50,000 to cover her therapy. And now 40 years later they're still is no healing or forgiveness on her part. But her final act was let me destroy the entire Morris family instead of letting God be the one who deals out justice. Do you know how many Christian people have been molested in their past but yet have gone on to become overcomers and productive members in the family of God because they forgave and trusted God to bring healing and justice?
The amount is staggering...
Amen 🙏
I think there are a lot of unanswered questions here and details that I think we don't know.
I pray for Grace. Mercy.and Love for all of them including our Robert Moirris❤
Could you imagine the heartache and the pain that the 12-year-old victim endured for four years? Churches need to stop protecting predators. He didn’t care about his present, past or future family nor the child he was hurting. He didn’t care about God either or the consequences of his sick actions. He only care about himself. He was a criminal and I hope charges are pressed against him.
Cast your stones and let’s see what God finds in your closet!
Prayers for Cindy and Church I was appalled when i read this on internet. My daughter was recently baptized at the Church. I attended this Church on 3 Sundays while visiting my daughter in Houston. Only God can heal the brokenhearted. Son n law gave a heartfelt sermon truly a man of God.
I am totally confused at why you cannot forgive what God forgive 40 years ago it’s not your place to bring it up. God has forgiven it so you need to let it go. If Robert Morse had continued sending from that one act then God will take care of him you must remember, the girl also was submissive to it. Otherwise, she would have let it be known before now.
This is who American evangelicals are. Does it matter if they are looking for Trump as their president??? The pastors are saying “ He is one of us, just vote for him “
Pity!!!!
Robert needs to be publicly apologizing not every one else. Your fault Robert, own it !!
We have ALL SINNED and fallen short of the glory of God…I see only the need for forgiveness to Pastor right now…this all happened before he was healed and surrendered to the way of his calling …none of us can review our lives before God sanctified us from the sin we were living can cast the first stone…Pastor has proven himself for decades and come up pure and faithful….Let’s FORGIVE AND RECOGNIZE GOD’s mercy …every one of us is capable of the same measure of sin…this man has changed my life repeatedly with consistent preaching of the Word of God…if you must judge ..judge who he is TODAY… not for sins 30 plus years ago….i believe this is a test for us all to practice FORGIVENESS AND ACCEPTANCE FOR A TRUE SERVANT OF GOD…
“Young lady” she was a child!!!!! Own it Robert & mega church!
He committed a crime and should pay for it according to the laws of our country. Forgiveness can still be had in Morris paying for his pedophilia.
It is not your business at all . Churches peeps in majority are so 😢in vision. Lord have mercy. Love sinners starting with our own self it is in the Bible. Hypocrites....
@@ruthschampier2167
I agree with you 100%. I have listened to numerous messages from Robert Morris that has taught me about the awesome God we serve. I don’t need to hear any apologies from the man of God Robert is today. Believe me, I have no doubt that the sorrow and the grief he is experiencing now is so much worse than any of us can imagine. The shame of the sin he had committed over all of the decades ago, has opened a wound to bring on much pain and sorrow to his entire family and his church family. I was on the other end of the sin of betrayal by my husband. Trauma is awful and I’m sure he is more concerned about the pain that this has brought on to his wife, children and grandchildren. God bless.
I wonder if every person that has judged Robert Morris for what he did 35 years ago would want to stand up confess for the world to hear all the dirty rotten sins they have been guilty of. I have listened to many messages from him. He has said many times that when he first became a Christian he was not a good person and that God had forgiven him of much. Whatever happened to the scripture that says that God forgives and chooses to remember it no more. It's people that can't forgive. If God forgave him for it what should we do There is only 1 sin that cannot be forgiven. Look it up. I was a victim of sexual abuse at the age of 10. I waited at least 25 years before I told a soul. It's true it cause me serious problems but because of God's Love and Grace I chose to be healed and delivered. She has held this thing over him for years and she needs to do the same thing.❤
Very well said!!
@ProphetessMirandaGrimaldi I agree with you. This youtube guy just want to take advantage of the situation and get more followers.
Most responding are not Pastors, let alone pastors of a mega church. Different standard. Be ye holy who carry the vessels of the Lord. Isaiah 52:11.
I don’t believe she (Cindy) has held anything over Robert Morris. She’s been through a lot and has carried it . God is working on her heart and it’s a process I believe.
I also was abused at the age of 5, 6, 7 years of age by several men. I knew there was a God and I never questioned him at that age but I had a lot of problems growing up and a distrust of men. So it was hard to learn to trust God because even my own father abused me. I have accepted God’s love and grace but it was a process for me.
You’re telling people to forgive and yet your words sound like you don’t forgive Cindy….where’s the love for her? Do we pick and choose who to love and forgive? I don’t think so .
What leaves a bad taste in my mouth is his ministering about love, grace, mercy of God and yet wasn’t really honest in the sin he committed to a child ….not a woman.
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PASTOR..U HAVE A TRUE PASTORS GEART.. I COMMEND U !! FOLLOW GOD. NOT MAN !! MAN IS human and makes mistakes. I am sorry u r n the path of effects of it all. PRAYING FOR THE FAMILY !!!!!
When I heard this First thing ,I thought was Jesus words to the accusers of the woman caught in adultery, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Then I thought of king David, his sin of adultery with Bathsheba and his trying to cover over his sin, even to the death of her husband Uriah. Sin is sin and we need not brush it under a rug, I am not saying that. But God is a very merciful God and does forgive and restore what the locust has eaten, and we ALL need to remember that. And the other point is this, this is all from Satan to destroy the church, his family and to cause, at the least, great division, criticism and judgment. But each of us need to remember," For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", all of us! and failed the Lord and our families at times, some much worse than others. Jesus also told us, Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. I am praying for mercy from his church family and that great glory and good, and healing to come for those believers and spiritual growth. God can and will bring beauty from ashes for those who place their hope and faith in Him.
This was not against another adult; this was against a child!!! A HUGE difference there.
That's all well, good, and true. However, you neglected Jesus holding up a child and saying, "If anyone harms this little one, it is better that a millstone be tied around his neck and thrown into the sea." All I'm hearing from Gateway is, "It was wrong BUT the scriptures say..." Religious deflection!
. YES YOU'RE RIGHT YET IT HAPPENS ONLY ONCE HE CONFESSED HE REPENTED HER PARENTS FORGAVE HIM AND BEST OF ALL GOD FORGAVE HIM AND EVER SINCE HE HAS HAS NOT COMMITTED AGAIN WHY NOW
Where's your compassion and mercy for the victim? Your mindset is sick and evil. Shame on you.
@@elizabethvargas4165 Do you personally know Morris and therefore are aware of his behind-the-scenes activities? If not, please silence yourself with your spins, gossip, and unfounded accusations. Or, produce totally documented proof to back up what appears as slander. You're sounding too much like a Morris-ite bobblehead.
MOVING ON - you can’t unless there’s
1. CONFESSION (Confession)
2. REPENTANCE (Commit to Change and discipline) step-down n step-away from the vulnerable
3. RESTITUTION (make amends to victim(s)
Restitution meaning $$? That is what this is about
There is no sin that God did not forgive on the cross , both small and big . Robert Morris has repented before God, and I believe God has forgiven him. But the church will not . I know he has to face the consequences of his actions. But the church should be about restoration of the victim and offender . Let’s go to the word and see how the Bible handle it Forgiveness is the 🔑 as God has forgiven us . The same measure you give will be used against you. Again, let the lord comfort the victim and church, let’s not destroy each other , but know that we have an enemy. Lets tender grace , for by grace we are saved, not works . ❤️
His elders destroyed him instead of restoring him.
Heart breaking!! But in this time let's not allow to have a field day and inflict even a more telling damage. I invite us all as God's children to pray for firstly Robert's wife, I can hardly imagine what she is going through right now. Pray also for the rest of the family and the Church.JESUS is still the same and HIS LOVE will ultimately make us all victorious! Pray for Pastor Robert Morris too,not forgetting beloved sister Cindy and her family too! Satan you are a liar and a looser!
I’m praying for Cindy and God bless her for coming forward as I do understand how hard that is and it takes courage God be with her and I pray for healing for her and her family
Continued prayers for all of the families involved 🙏. We all sin and fall short. God bless and heal you all
@@DonnaHoldway YES
It is between God & Robert Morris. We have to keep focused on what God is calling us to do.
Is a pedophilia crime not justification
Leaders R held to a higher standard. Read your Word
Hung on every word. Your truly a Blessing. May the Lord Bless you and keep, may HIS face shine upon you and give you ALL Peace.
Sending love to you as a Christian
I pray for a healing that only God can give to his daughter and Son-in-law
And your children
Of Robert Morris
Sending a big Hug and prayers in Jesus Christ
I was molested by my pastor from ages 12-14. I appreciate what the church is saying to victims of this type of situation. I never received any counseling. Sadly, there were at least 6 we know of that this happened to. Many of the church members blamed us. Many never spoke to our families again. He actually went on to preach at another church. We felt like we were the wrong ones. The way this church is handling this is the right way to do it. If this has ever happened to you, please talk with someone and get the help you need. It has gone on to affect my life and my marriages. But this is true for any molestation - not just a pastor.
Great sermon Ethan!!!! God bless you and your family. Hang in there.
"hang in there..."??? Good grief.
I am praying for your family Ethan.
I grew up with a father who made decisions that the we as his children, we're, in the minds of others, just as guilty as he was. Horriblely confusion and disorienting.
My heart goes out to you and those you love.
Morris should have offered to pay ALL therapy costs for the victim instead of threatening her with jail in asking for money to cover therapy
Defending his sin is demonic.
That would have been the LEAST he could do for Cindy. Instead he lied and now is hiding as his world comes crashing down around him. No accountability whatsoever for his deception.
@Mtnmamma5251 it's not accurate that he had "no accountability whatsoever". He was taken out of ministry for 2 years to go thru a restoration process.
@@danapet1 no accountability for his lying, deceit and misleading his church. “ a young lady”
The guys are going to have to change their last name and find different jobs.
Thank you for addressing the fact that though God is a God of love and forgiveness, God IS a God of justice! Robert Morris has not truly repented; rather, he continues to deflect blame. However, "whatsoever a man sows, that he shall also reap!" My heart is so heavy for Cindy for the many years she suffered without support. Many of us who have been abused, have been victimized again by the church, who sides with the abuser; listens to and believes the narcissistic lies of the abuser. Jesus knows the truth! Luke 12: 2 reminds us that "there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known." For all the brokenhearted, Jesus has promised that He "will never leave us or forsake us." Keep clinging to the Lord through this horrific trial. Cindy is a living testimony of her faith in the Lord through this whole sordid time, bless her heart. Clinging to Jesus is what has helped me to heal from years of abuse. Isaiah 42:3 has always encouraged my heart. May this verse encourage many who are greatly suffering in these days: "A bruised reed He will not break. And a smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth." Thank you for sharing your thoughts in the midst of your own heartache. May the Lord be the "lifter of your head," as Psalm 3 encourages us all!
@@jenarnhold you
Have no idea if he truly repented I feel
For Cindy but I am also suspect of her request for $2 million dollars. This really is between Robert and God. He is the only true and proper judge for this sin and blessings for Cindy who has suffered
God is God. He had a reason for Robert Morris. He is also the God who said turn the other cheek seven times 70. Thats 490 days...over a year for God to restore everyone.. ...and heal every heart.
Gateway is a wonderful church.
I agree that what R M did is shocking and a real letdown. I'm also going to say, let us pray for healing. We put people on peddle stalls😢, let's stop it. In closing, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Psalms 94:19
Gal 6:1
Let us do the right thing ❤
Live in glass houses? We're not abusing children ! What's the matter with you?! People like you enable these people and support them eventually being back in positions of authority. It's sick.
This is the problem. Focus on the shame, pain and devastation and stop turning it around on anyone because it was wrong it was appalling.
Pedestals!!
Sinning has nothing to do with anxiety. He's a pastor and should never stand in another pulpit. The only thing he should do in church is sit in the pew. He'll do this if he has truly repented and is a Christian.
Jesus SAID, "If anyone does harm to a little one, tie a millstone around his neck and throw him into the sea."
When quoting scripture, you can't camp on a few, you must include all - called Sola Scriptura and Hermeneutics - the rightful interpreting of God's Word. Unless you know how to use the above, please abstain from quoting a few and ignoring others.
While this is devastating to the church and Morris’ loved ones, it’s an opportunity to draw near to Christ like never before. The love and caring within this church as they seek the Lord’s help and healing can bring about a church body who has weather a storm that threatened to take them down. God can do amazing things. Who knows what good can come out of this -- only God!
YES, AMEN AMEN AMEN ❤️
Amen🙏🏼✝️
The pastor recognized this situation, asked for forgiveness, was removed from ministry, faced the parents and at the time the girl. More than 40 YEARS have passed since this situation happened. This unfortunate situation came already to light and exposed a long time ago.
And here is the question. WHY this thing is coming out once again? Is not this already confronted and resolved? Why this women is coming publicly NOW?
Out there there's a spirit in these type of circumstances in which not letting go and destroying lives forever is the ultimate purpose. Including victims. A non reversible mindset where condemnation and shame will never go away. A whole movement drowned in hatred that is willing to go more than 50 years ago and bring to life with the ultimate purpose of performing assasination.
Let's not rush into join the lines of virtue signaling where most people run to to gain morale standard for others to see. Instead, let's open our eyes and see what our Lord taught us. To see the intentions of the heart.
Heartbreaking 💔 absolutely devastating. Poor family