"The View" Fights over Abortion
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The ladies on "The View"sit down and talk about President Obama's commencement speech at the University of Notre Dame and talk about how the crowd got a little riled over Abortion protesters. They then continue on the abortion subject which leads to a heated discussion between Joy Behar and Elisabeth Hasselbeck.
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Wow why does 2009 look sooo vintage
Molly Delfuego 10 years later and yes it looks dated
This was 2009?????? I thought this was like 1998 or something.
This was just taken from the Standard Definition broadcast. Back then, the networks kept the HD and SD feeds separate.
@@lordvoldemort5725 Obama want president in 98
@@julesolympiara6237 I’m aware of that- But I don’t remember them mentioning Obama here.
Stop saying "the abortion issue". There is no issue. If you don't agree with abortion, don't get one. Problem solved.
+BeingHonest being male I've had nor needed any.... question answered, so what is your point?
+Jane Doh No it's an issue. Because why do people not agree with abortion? Because they recognize the life of the unborn child. Therefore, there is an issue to be dealt with because 51% of the nation see abortion as MURDER. That's an issue; when half the country sees it one way, a crime, and the other does not - a "choice." There is then a fundamental crisis in the nation, a civil ISSUE. It was a slavery issue, a civil rights issue, and it's an abortion issue too.
You need to cite where you came up with this statistic because it isn't correct.
+Andrew Morgan list the statute that names abortion as a crime? go ahead... can not find it? that's because it is not murder.... you anti-choice buybull thumpers spend far too much time worrying about how others live their lives... get over it... if you do not agree with abortion do not have one, but stop telling others what to do and how to live.... folks do not have abortions for shits and giggles you know.. plus it is a constitutional right !! it is one of the hardest choices one will ever have to make and you interject your bullshit onto them is not helping... and do tell me how many kids have you and your buybull thumping friends adopted? step up or STFU!!! and stop pulling "facts" out of your ass...
+Dana Johnson replying to assdrew morgan?? check my comment to him and his "facts" .... dollar to donuts he is one of those "i have my facts and you have yours fox "news"" watchers....
The chances of that child ending up in a good situation is rare.
"You don't know, that child could've been President!"
"He could've also been Hitler, you never know!"
LOL
And you don't know he could be a Ted Bundy.... but that's not the point ... the point is termination of pregnancy shouldn't be something that people fight about .
If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. you can't judge someone elses situation or be selective.
the best comment on here.
ohh man, i remember when people used to say '"if you don't agree with slavery then don't own a slave"...
Hello yeah, yeah, i know, you will say "a slave and a baby aren't the same thing".... that's funny.... because pro abortion people have stolen every single argument used by pro slavery people ... for example
"it is not a person"
"science says that"
"I'm the owner, i decide whether s/he lives or dies"
"stop telling me what to do"
"mind your own business"
Ivy Neas don't like suicide ? don't commit one. don't like meth? don't take any! ... oh but then if your family member becomes mentally and physically sick and ruins your life its still his choice and how dare you attempt to infringe on his rights?!
If you don't agree with murder, don't do it. If you don't want to get addicted to drugs and alcohol, don't do it. If you see a kid playing in traffic, leave them there. That's basically what u don't understand. When people see others causing pain to another human, they can't just sit back and watch.
"He could've been Hitler you never know" YES. THIS IS EVERYTHING.
He could of just been a normal kid that just wanted to fucking live, but you took that away from him because he is valued less because he is still attached to his mother.
That actually is a rarely made point.
Matt TheDestroyer 2 so in your scenario, what a woman is carrying is more important or valuable than the woman herself? Depending on the circumstance she could be the “normal kid who just wanted to live”. Forcing her to give birth took that away from her. No?
Or Einstein..right?
@@paige1955 why does killing the baby make the situation better? Give it up for adoption
Everyone is all up in arms about the unborn babies life until it's born, then it's a pat on the back and you're on your own
+Alexa Copeland people can afford to have sex most people can't afford to raise a person though... Why should a someone in school have to go through with a pregnancy?? They are their first priority
+Alexa Copeland because people don't have sex purely to have a kid?? It's something people do because they enjoy doing it with whoever it is/their partner?? Let people live their life honestly
totally. the bitch that wants an abortion shouldn't be responsible for a child.
Condoms break, birth control works differently for women, rape happens, health issues.
+Alexa Copeland Do you believe "Abortion is murder?"
Joy always comes in with great one-liners.
she my fave, wish she was the main host
yah like not understanding the definition of murder in regards capitol punishment
Whoopi has such a good head on her shoulders; thats why i love her so much. Shes so rational and very clear on what she thinks and why.
Your delusional.
In this day and age, what a woman chooses to do concerning her body is still an issue.. Unbelievable.
Nothing has changed.
It's another body growing in there due to the decisions the mother made.
Why of you murder a pregnant woman is double homicide? That's because you just killed two people.
How about closing your damn legs instead of justifying murder of an innocent baby.
"He coulda been Hitler, ya never know"
gotta love Joy Behar.
Right... because kids are genetically set to be indoctrinated manipulators. Wrong. That's a learned behavior.
Love her? I don't like anything about that lady.
I always think that when they always try to see the cheery side like “he/she could’ve cured cancer” “he/she could’ve been the president” like could’ve been Hitler or a serial killer too you just never know. If only Hitlers mom had an abortion millions of people wouldn’t have died in WW2 wether it be on field, in camps, or civilians in the countries/cities the wars were being fought In.
No man... or woman has any right to tell a woman what she can or can not do with her body. We’re not in her shoes at that moment. We don’t know what history she has.
In response to the two previous replies, the government shouldn't tell anyone not to do drugs or sell their body. These choices harm the person alone and no one else. Why spend time and money trying to impose what we believe to be better choices? Murdering a grown human who is not a fetus is not equivalent to abortion. Abortion is not pretty and is very sad for the fetus and no one is saying it isn't, but not every baby conceived HAS to be born. You're not pregnant, it's not your baby, therefore your feelings on the matter do not count.
It's not about her body, it's about the body that is living inside of her. Two separate bodies, two separate people.
@Lizzie Allen I agree, but I also acknowledge that these are two entirely unrelated situations. Again, not every baby conceived has to be born. Choosing not to keep a baby inside of you is a woman's right. You don't have to like it or agree with it, it's just the way it is. Personally, I'm not looking forward to overpopulation and the last thing this world needs is more kids with unfit, underprepared parents.
Lorena Vanessa Hernandez LMAO that thing inside the woman’s body is a compilation of cells without a thought you ignoramus.
"Jump in there Sherry...Jump in there damnit." I love Whoopi 😂😂😂😂
LMFAO 😆
HAVING AN ABORTION BECAUSE I COULDN'T BE A GOOD PARENT, MAKES ME A GREAT PARENT AND A BETTER PARENT THAN MOST. MY ABORTION AT 17 WAS ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS OF MY LIFE, AND THE BEST DECISION OF MY BABY'S LIFE.
You should never tell someone whether they should or shouldn't have an abortion.
Pro choice!!!every life situation is different, and the government shouldn't tell their female citizens what to do with their bodies or life!
exactly
Then why do they want the government to fund abortion?
Just curious.
True until it's not just about the woman's body but also about an other person's life.
Ya call it what it is. Pro murder and anti murder. To compare an unborn child to a criminal on death row is ridiculous.
Nobody compares the two.....killing children is a crime. Aborting a fetus is legal.
Tifany Stills
A fetus is a child. A living child. You were once a child. Someone called you a fetus. There are all types of names for people. Is it right to kill children, elderly, adolescents, teens, dwarfs, albinos, obese, etcc??? So why kill a fetus? It's sick. Why do those mothers and some fathers of the murdered suffer with the guilt of what could have been for their dead kids? Why? You won't answer any of my questions.
I already answered. A unborn fetus and a child are two different things. This is law in the nation you choose to wake up in every morning.
Tifany Stills The law is still conflicted on the issue. Attack a pregnant woman on her way to an abortion clinic and her fetus dies you're charged with murder. Shouldn't it be assault and destruction of property? Why the confusion if the distinction is so simple?
It's quite simple. The potential for life itself, is life.
You and others like you think that by labeling things you're absolved of any thought. Call it a fetus and you remove the human connection. It might work for you but for some of us it isn't that easy to be ignorant.
vadagh
Perfectly said.
I know I am going to get a lot of back lash but that's ok! I do not think that abortion is the way to go. I totally feel like if you can't take care of the baby, then someone who is able and capable should take care of that baby (adoption). I do think there are those few exceptions to the rule, but what ever happened to sexual responsibility? If you don't want to have a baby, then do your part and protect yourself, otherwise why is running to an abortion clinic the first way to resolve this circumstance? If you cant afford a baby, then buy a pack of condoms, it's cheaper.
***** I understand your point of view, just in my perspective a sense of responsibility is in order and if you were then idk what I would say to that person.
manyastar98 in my comment I said there are a few exceptions. That is one of them
lmao yes, because there is no such thing as "orphans" and every child ever put up for adoption gets a loving parent and they live happily ever after. Everyone protesting abortion should focus on the REAL issues and go adopt a child, stop complaining about paying taxes for low income families to feed & house their children, work to ban "abstinence only" sex education in schools and make sure people get accurate information about sex and get the resources they need. (yes that means free condoms and birth control)....of course most "pro-life" people are against this because then that means we would actually be solving the problem instead of slut-shaming women & that is obviously not as fun for them
Sand g Did I say i was against any of those things? No I did not. All I said is there should be a sense of sexual responsibility.
But how can you create a sense of responsibility when you are misinformed, judged, and female sexuality is treated as some sort of taboo? The problem is not abortion. The problem is the stigma created around it.
If you as a woman want a CHOICE to have a baby or abort it, my suggestion to you is, CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE SEX! PERIOD!!! If its not a baby, YOURE NOT PREGNANT!!!
What happens after the babies are born? Noone seems to give a fuck about them. "Oh, the kid is born!? Ok we're done here. Him and his mother can struggle and slide into poverty. No problem right!?" Is that a better idea? No. Let women make the difficult choice what grows in THEIR body. It's none of your fucking business.
Then a woman shouldn't be charged with murder if she walks away from her newborn baby in a ditch.
If a pregnant woman gets murdered it shouldn't be a double homicide.
You can't justify murder.
Go watch an ultrasound of a baby being aborted and watch the baby fighting while being torn limb by limb and tell me its not murder.
Joy Behar spoke real sense. Well done. You cannot criticize abortion and not criticize capital punishment. This views is also shared by the USCCB.
Carol Beard Okay then you don’t have to have an abortion but not everyone shares your beliefs.
You can't compare the two, there's a big difference between an innocent baby and a murderer
Alison Hop Hing Nah, Both in the eyes of pro life are life and you’re a hypocrite if you want to kill one and shout if a woman wants to get an abortion.
@@alisonhophing6261if you're not willing to forego the death penalty for the sake of the falsely convicted you're definitely not prolife
If your not ready to have babys don't have sex.
Unfortunately some women get pregnant due to sexual assault.
@@admirazekan7990 true and that's absolutely horrific. You can always give the baby up for adoption.
@@admirazekan7990 true ,but most people have abortions do to an inconvenience.
Nobody is EVER PREPARED to be a parent. So, not an excuse. Also, step up your game if you think you don't make enough money to feed a child. Isn't the US the richest country in the world?
I just thought it was crazy how she said I DID have the baby and they continue to say I'm glad you didn't have the baby. She said it a couple more time that she did but as usual they are too loud and not listening to anyone else.
She did NOT have the baby. Sherri Shepherd, in this clip, is going on 42. She clearly said she was 17 when she went in for the abortion. Sherri only has one child who, at the time of this clip (2009), was going on 4. Math says it's impossible for a 42 year old in 2009 to have been 17 years old in 2005.
she said ‘i did not’ it’s hard to hear over loud mouth elisabeth
its like watching a cage full of cockatoos who can talk
My grandmother died of a botched abortion. My father was three at the time, he never recovered. I saw him put his gun to his head and shoot himself when I was ten. You'd think I would learn. I thought a safe abortion would be the answer for me. I killed my own baby "safely". I know I will live with that for the rest of my life. I can't understand how anyone can speak of abortion as an abstract notion. That baby I carried was real to ME.
And my cousin died in childbirth of a baby she didn't want, your point?
My mother killed herself 19 years after being forced to have a rape-baby, me, and raise me against her will. She wanted to have an abortion and was literally forced not to under threat of battery or death.
We're not robots, we're not all the same.
That is why choice exists- for better or for worse, atleast we can make our own decisions and grow personally, and not be slaves.
ryddelwearsahat Did your mother have the choice of adoption?
ryddelwearsahat
Rape is a terrible crime, but the fetus is not guilty.
Murder is a worse crime.
ExBruinsFan Who said a fetus was guilty of anything? It's not even a person. You can't blame a non-person for a thing, or murder it. It's an it.
"If you can't afford a child " - then keep your legs shut
And penis in pants.
Anti-choice...
Lol, it's not about being anti-choice. If YOU don't believe in abortion then don't have one! It's that simple. But what this is really about is one group of people forcing their beliefs on everyone else. Period.
Abortions not that big of a deal would you rather have poor people on the street or resources for your future 🤔
Question: Would you rather be poor and homeless or dead?
with all this birth control and how our medicine is advancing why are we still having abortions? I'm so thankful my mom did not abort me. Thanks mom for having me even through my dad left and we were deadbeat poor. I had a happy childhood because I always had your love. I don't speak the truth only my truth and I would NEVER get an abortion.
LET THIS SINK INTO YOUR HEAD. A woman has to carry an actual fucking creature human, in her stomach for approx 270 days, she has to push an average of 3 pounds out of the smallest hole in all of her body. She has to live with this human, take care of this human, and be this humans mother for the REST OF HER LIFE! She can go through things like post partum depression, she can die from giving birth, she has to pay good money to take care of this child, her body COMPLETELY changes, its almost as if shes in somebody elses skin, she has to breastfeed, her body is sore, she might not even have a baby she might go through heartbreak and have a miscarriage, she bleeds, shes in excruciating pain, the father will now forever be in her life, AND YOU'RE FUCKING TELL ME SHE CANT MADE THE CHOICE OF WHETHER SHE WANTS TO GO THROUGH THIS OR NOT? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Every women should be able to make the choice of whether she wants to go through child birth or not. Its fucking ridiculous to not give her that choice.
For those of you saying you can give the baby away, I don't think you understand how many children are yet to be adopted and will never get adopted at all. A woman's body is HERS and she can make decisions for herself and her body. It's not up to you or the government to choose.
a womans body is her own business
that is so male to say ,is very easy as a guy to leave it up to woman
Why is a Connecticut woman who drowned her baby in her toilet immediately after birth sentenced to prison but a women who pays a doctor to kill her baby just hours from that moment are allowed to walk free?
Thomas Bodi a foetus is not the same thing as a birthed baby.
agreed
Thomas Bodi Lmao you’re a fucking idiot. It is illegal to have an abortion after a certain amount of months and no doctor is authorizing an abortion on a baby that’s ready to be born. Dumb ass.
I am pro choice point blank period
I am pro choice too, pro that the baby gets a choice, pro that the women had a choice to have sex, pro that the father gets some say(excludes rape) and pro that Men get choices to pass laws just as women do!
Matt TheDestroyer Yes men should get a say. However if you as a man want a factor in the woman's decision then it needs to be abundantly clear you are willing to be there for her and with her for the rest of that child's life. Plenty of men(not grouping you specifically) will demand a woman to give birth to his child and then take off. If you want a say in the decision then you need to be certain you are ready for the responsibility that comes with your addition to the choice.
@@mattthedestroyer2804 just because a man stuck it in...dosent give him the right to my body. A womans body grows the child, a womans body takes the risk and permanent changes. A woman has the right to stop it. Regardless of her choice to have sex... all 3 of my kids were birth control babies. I spent several thousand to not get pregnant and it happened anyways.
It's not your body you are making a choice about, it's the body of a fetus, a future life that you are the sole custodian of for 9 months. You would kill such a helpless being because you are selfish enough to believe it's your property?
pro-life all day
:D
you mean anti-choice?
Kandiss Williams
Nope. There's pro-life and pro-death.
Joshua Maxwell Nice try. You can't kill something that isn't alive. You're anti-choice, just own up to it.
Kandiss Williams
It's not alive? Are you stupid? Not even most pro-choice people are as ridiculously ignorant as you. They at least understand that it's alive, but your rationale is on a whole new, idiotic level.
Here is the real view. If there was only a handful of abortions per year this would not be a debate. It is a debate because there are roughly 40 to 50 (MILLION) per year. To solve the darn problem women should stop arguing about it and start educating other women on how to "respect" themselves more. I will be the bad guy and say it like it is, ladies close your legs.
So, what you're saying is, women should stop having sex with men, and only have sex with other women? Since men are apparently a tainted group that make women no longer respectable once women touch them.
Anon Girl
Not that it comes as a surprise. One word describes you to the tea. "SELFISH". Also one who swears using "text" has some major issues of their own. Wow!
Issues that do not concern me? When 50 million females abort "their children" per "year" it "becomes" my concern.
Your first response is silly. Of course males should keep it in their pants just as females should keep their legs closed. Fair is fair.
Unwanted babies do not have bright futures. Well thank you Mrs. GOD for looking into everyone's future.
Wow!
*****
If that is what you get out of what i had said you need to grow up a little more before posting. Respect yourself. Respect your body.
sooo what about the women that get raped? they are sluts also? they should have that baby, depend on the govt and waste more peoples money?
Mr67bandit67'' Issues that do not concern me? When 50 million females abort "their children" per "year" it "becomes" my concern.''
YOU should pay for what you want! One of the greatest hypocrisies of many (not all) abortion opponents is that many of them oppose Welfare on the grounds of "If you want something YOU should pay for it, not my taxes" and then those same folks oppose abortion, wanting OTHERS to pay for what they, the abortion opponents, want!
I got pregnant at age 17 had my baby at age18. I had a supportive boyfriend. We went through our ups and downs in our relationship. I never really accomplished much as far as a career goes, but I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't trade the life I had now for who knows where I would have ended up. (Drugs,jail,drinking,clubs,one night stands) or even if I ended up having a career that doesn't beat being able to raise my daughter walk her to school for her first day of first grade today.
Who are you to take a life? Also, ADOPTION. Why does everyone seem to forget adoption is a FANTASTIC option if you can't afford the child.
All abortion opponents want Row v Wade overturned, but nobody has any "endgame" in mind. If terminating a pregnancy becomes a felony, what should the punishment be and how would this punishment be administered? Making abortion a crime won't stop the practice, but will lead to the "back alley, coat hanger" ways of handling the situation. The dark days of shame and sacrifice for "women in trouble" will be back. Perhaps more unwanted children will be shuffled through public care.
Murder is illegal, yet some murders still take place. Do you think there would not be more murders if it was legal?
I was "shuffled through public care' until I was four years old. It's a lot better than being killed.
i feel like a women's body is her own but if the man that got her pregnant wants to raise the child as a single father and have full custody, then there should be a way for the father to have rights too
+Jessica June So, lets kill the child, just to see to it that she doesn't have a rough life? Really?
So, if an old person might not "make it" should we kill her?
So you call names when you don't get to be the boss?
+roter13 The woman's body is her own, but is the baby's body also not its own? You are violating the baby's rights to live by murdering it.
***** It is its own because it is alive. Are you serious.
I'm pro-life I don't support abortion and I will never have one , but I will NEVER stop anyone else from getting one cause it's not my decision to make . And I will NEVER hate someone for having one .
That means you're pro-choice. It's not about having an abortion, it's about having the opportunity to make a decision. If you never ever plan to get one in your future, that's your choice. Those who are pro-life want to stop everyone from getting it when it's not their decision to make.
+Hana Banana no being pro choice means you support abortion I don't I absolutely hate the idea of babies being slaughtered but like I said its not my choice to make
it's not a baby. It hasn't developed yet.
+myfantasticteaparty well it is a baby. Once it starts growing inside you, the is life there. LIFE. And who are you to know since when it is a baby there or not? Do you know when life starts? like up to 2 months you can but then oh it is developed so you can't. Sadly or not the journey that is called life started and you force into nature's journey to stop it. It is so arrogant of people acting like they know everything.
First of all you're being a hypocrite on the whole arrogant thing. Why stop at the fetus tho. By your logic not knowing the begining of life we should save all the sperm and eggs. You may attach to the idea and story of a fetus but I think that's all you stand on, you provide no knowledge of the actual science behind the cteation of life. I mean have you ever questioned the importants of life to points where you actually couldn't tell right from wrong. Beacuse if you didn't then it doesn't matter if your right or wrong. Maybe you should start questioning natutre too. Start aproaching subjects colder, with a more objective setup. My beliefe is that without the nerv system the organisam can't be concidered a creature with will. I admit i am uneducated and my conlusions are hardly reliable and with that i will end bc i have nothing else to say. Thank ypu for your perspective o. The matter.
I'm pro-life- I respect a woman's right to have agency over her body and have the God-given FREE WILL to make a decision that is right for her. If there is a law that states that a woman shouldn't have free will, then that's anti-life and I am against anything that states otherwise.
i think its irresponsible to encourage the idea to a young woman that she should be more concerned about an under developed fetus that has no idea of its own existence yet , than about her own life & well being...
A one day old baby doesn't really have an idea of his/her own existence. Should a mother have the right to end the life of her child then? If not, when does she lose the right to end the life of child? 12 weeks? 24? 36? If she realizes the cost and requirements associated with caring for a child a week after she gives birth, does she have the right to abandon the child? Where is the cutoff determining when a child has the right to live, and no longer has the right to live?
+Neit LNU god you guys love comparing fertilized eggs and zygotes to children and babies
Pouty Angel At what point in a pregnancy is "zygote" or "fertilized egg" no longer the correct term? I'd like to know since when speaking to friends that are pregnant I usually ask them how the "baby" is doing. So... when is it ok to use the term "baby"? About how many weeks of development does that take?
Oh, and what do you mean by "you guys"? I assure you there's just one of me.
+Neit LNU It depends on the laws of the country. Law makers have actually convened before making these laws.
mylittlekittens It also varies by state. Some states prohibit abortions for gender selection purposes, such as when a mother wants a boy instead of a girl. The same goes for laws on abortions due to likelihood of Down Syndrome or avoiding having an interracial child. I imagine if scientists ever identify a "gay gene" and could tell expecting parents whether or not their child would be gay, there would probably be laws prohibiting abortions for the sole purpose of avoiding a gay baby, too. These laws seem self-contradictory though. How is it OK to have an abortion if you don't want a baby, but illegal to have an abortion if you just don't want a certain type of baby.
I just think this argument is ridiculous. How is someone going to tell me what I can and can not do to my body? It's MY body. If you don't agree with abortion, then it is very simple, DON'T have one. End of fucking discussion.
It's your body, but not your life, that baby has its own DNA, different from yours!
Yet, it is still my body. I can decide whether I want to keep the child or not. I have never had an abortion nor do I believe I ever will. But at the end of the day it is my choice. not someone else's, It is easy for people to put their opinion into the situation when it has nothing to do with them. I am the one who would have to go through the 9 months of pregnancy and the labor and then have to be responsible for the child afterwards, not you or anyone else. Once again, MY body, MY choice!
The baby only has a choice if it's born, until then, all that matters is what the mom chooses to do to her own body.
How is someone going to tell me what I can do with my knife? It's MY knife. If you don't agree with murder, then it's very simple, DON'T do it. End of fucking discussion.
The baby inside your womb is not a part of your body.
You willingly opened your legs, knowing the possible outcome, so own your responsibility. Abortion is not a form of birth control.
I lost all respect for some of these women. Don't be glad or proud of women who've had abortions, they should be ashamed of themselves. You think it'll be too difficult to raise a child right now? I have news for you, even planned pregnacies are difficult.. but it's the most rewarding and selfless thing you'll ever do.
..the moment you spoke about sexuality itself in a derogatory way, you lost your own argument, b/c consent to sex is not consent to reproduction.
sexuality among humans actually has very, very little to do with actual reproduction, and is more of a social tool. we're not mindless animals, running around going in/out of heat only to breed. we're thinking, feeling actual people..
so trying to reduce female sexuality to such low standards is sexist.
also.. on what grounds should women be ashamed? is this all your opinion, or is there some actual grounding basis behind it? i mean.. dont get me wrong- you /are/ entitled to your own opinion.. but i'm curious exactly why a complete/total stranger thinks i should be ashamed of myself. like.. me, or literally any one of the how many millions of women who have had abortions. do you think you're psychic and know the circumstances of each woman?
also, exactly how/why is rearing a child rewarding? you say that as if that is a universal fact.. like every single woman should reproduce to suit some standard, and if she doesn't, she is the opposite of selfless.. which would be selfish.
you see, i have children. two of my own, and a third through adoption. i also work in social services with children and women. i deal with abortion, adoption, single parenting struggles, and also rape, abuse, molestation, drugs, ect.
and i've yet to see a universal one-size-fits-all answer for OR against parenthood. b/c people aren't clone-robots. i even have real-life personal experience in abortion. so.. exactly on what grounds should a total stranger, myself or otherwise, be ashamed? just to make you feel self-righteous, or... do you have actual justification to back that up?
ryddelwearsahat Look, the facts are the facts... when two people have sex there is ALWAYS a chance the female will get pregnant. There is an even hire chance when YOU know your cycle. "Hmm... my period ended over a week ago, time to read a book for a week." I'm sorry that the ownership of that responsibility falls heavily on the female but she will be the one carrying the baby that will cause permanent changes.
.. and it's sad that you think sex a social tool.. we used to call people like that sluts (yes, the men too). When two people meet, you're suppose to shake hands not....
I know, I'm not politically correct, nothing good comes from PC. Would you prefer someone says what you want to hear or what they'll be saying after you leave? I'd rather say what I mean and apologize later.
Congrats on being employed but what is your point? Look at one of your children, then grab some tools and tear that child apart while they are sleeping... not pleasant and very offensive.. but that's what abortion is. You know how long they allow abortion right? You know late abortions are when the baby can feel pain right? You seem intelligent but it's a life.. heart is beating.. there is a little person in there. People can justify it how they want but what's inside them is real.
Listen to the excuses of why people abort... it is selfish. I once dated a girl who was really fantastic.. but then I found out she had 3 abortions, put two kids up for adoption and had 3 kids.
.. and yeah, I have a 4 year old daughter... not planned, huge surprise.. and I would not make a good superhero because I would let half the world population get killed before I'd let her get harmed. (maybe more than half)
This is not a topic that you will sway someone on, especially over a RUclips conversation. At least your argument was somewhat intelligent.. the ones below are greatly lacking content/intelligence/grammar/spelling.
ryddelwearsahat I'm not reading your novel, learn to summarize.
No I won't get pissed at you. You're an anonymous voice on RUclips that takes opposing arguments too serious and too personal. I'm an anonymous voice to you, why do you care that I think you're a murderer?
There's nothing wrong with having a passion for this topic but when you let that carry over to people with opposing opinions, then the problem becomes your own. You agree with it, good for you, I don't. You think it's an educated choice, I think it's selfish and murder. I'm not trying to change your mind, don't think for a second you will change mine.
I couldn't help but notice you said "take your personal opinions and go elsewhere"? lol Oh, sorry I didn't realize this was a support group for abortion, I'll try to sheep my comments from now on and submit to your will. You must work for the Obama administration.
I agree with your last sentence though.. but you won't like whom I'm recommending first for the therapy.
Kevin J ...by the way, i didnt vote for obama lol. just one more problem with your supposed 'opinion'.
ryddelwearsahat Another 65+ lines... are you paid by the word? Summarize, no one is going to read all of that unless the butler confesses at the end to the murder.
Actually you essentially said I wasn't entitled to my own opinion when you told me to "take your personal opinions and go elsewhere". I said my peace but you seem to want to go on and on and on and on... like you're going to prove what I feel as wrong. You can't change how I feel and you can't prove my points as wrong because they are my feelings (which I share with millions of others... much as you share an opinion with millions of others).
Whether it was poorly timed sex, random sex, anonymous sex, rape, immaculate conception... millions of us believe, and always will believe, that the moment that egg is fertilized, it's a life. Period. Wait a day, wait two months.. if you abort, you're killing the baby. You call it a fetus, you call it an embryo... the end result is always the same, a baby.
Write another 100+ line response but it's still the way we feel and none of your non-capitalized, run-on, grammatically incorrect sentences will change that. (and we won't read it all either because it's toooooooo long)
It's my opinion, it's my thoughts, it's my belief... who are you to think you can correct me? I'm not attempting to correct you. Take your opinions, thoughts, beliefs, whatever, and make your own thread. I've said my peace, so "take your personal opinions and go elsewhere."
There convenience based abortions. Committing adultery with a married man, fornication doesn't give you the right to just discard an innocent babies life. You made the choice to have intercourse, so be a responsible grown up and take care of your baby.
Are you fighting for better maternity leave? Are you fighting for better paternal leave? Are you fighting for better more accessible prenatal care? Are you fighting for the clean up of the foster care system? Are you fighting for more comprehensive welfare practices? Are you fighting for better laws against absent parents? Are you fighting for the clean up of cps?
I had an argument with my "friend" about abortion and her argument consisted of say things like "that's like someone killing you 3-year old baby" when really it's nothing like that. I said one thing and the argument was over, it's the woman's choice. She continued to say excuses but the argument was already over. Morality has nothing to do with this choice, the government only cares if the child is born, not what happens with it. And pro-life arguments often consist of "what if's" well what if they turn out to be the next Hitler or dictator, what if's have nothing to do with what's happening.
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antichoice is a 100% spot on definition. i dont see how conservatives see it any other way ?
how else do you describe a situation where you DONT HAVE A CHOICE IN THE MATTER???
you LITERALLY cannot choose, thats what makes it antichoice.
They can also 'choose' to have protection.
There are SO many choices in contraception and they seem to come up with new ones every year.... but apparently my that’s not enough! Might as well throw killing a child on the spinning wheel right?
Fuckin disgusting.
Kelsey Bates you do know contraception isnt 100% effective and last time I checked, pro-lifers were anti plan B
@@Confettifun more effective than using nothing....
But you do have a choice! You can give the kid up for adoption, (the waiting lists to adopt are HUGE) you can choose to keep the child after all, but the child is not part of her body. The baby has its own unique DNA from the moment of conception. She has the right to do whatever with her own body, I totally agree with that, but the child is not a part of her. It is it's own being that deserves a chance at life. If the parent doesn't have the resources she can choose not to keep the child, but please atleast let it live!
So, you say you don't trust their decision making skills for their own lives, but you want another humans life in their hands... Be pro choice for yourself, have your own baby, then mind your business. The circumstances that led to some women's decisions shouldn't matter, you know why? It doesn't change your life, whatsoever.
Oh, Amanda, and if you're not Jewish, you had no right to fight against the Nazis? Open your brain, please.
+Julia H what the fuck are you talking about? I know you're trying to ask, what in your mind must be a parallel 'gocha' question, but that wasn't even remotely along the lines of the Amanda was saying.
No decision should EVER lead to the killing of a baby or an unborn child. I don't care how difficult or heart-wrenching the decision is.
+myintx what if she can't provide for the child and she was raped.
+myintx or would you rather it grow up in foster care where the child is more likely to be neglected and abused, grow up in an orphanage where they are neglected and don't get enough attention for their cognitive and social needs and development then thrown into the street at 18 with no life skills
The mother should make that decision and that's all there is to it. Its her business and no one elses.
***** The least a decent man can do is help pay for support of his child. If not, everyone around him should know about it, his family, media, everyone. Maybe some men would step up and do what's right at that point. I don't think they should just get a pass.
***** absolutely
the slave is woman being denied the abortion, idiot. yes, its okay to severe a conjoined twin, doctors make that choice all the tme in case of parasititic situation. nothing has the right to use another as host. this is case how ever of being one a and b. a fetus is a sub body made by, animated by and connected to the womb. She is multiplying herself. the male part throws himself into her whole. her seed is developed.She is author of that being.The earth is our creator or at least life support and has a right to take its breath back. god, disconnected can destroy and remake the earth, its is hyprocitical and cruel to lie and say that its another being. Its her body making another body based on her dna. She has a right to abort, and to decent supportive maternity care.
Does the child matter? Their very existence hangs in the balance. Does their life matter? It is true that this incredibly important task (bringing this human being into existence) requires the mother. But does his or her life matter?
Some people think its ok to bring another life into this world without proper support and nurturing. Don't we have enough unwanted kids in this world already? Yet some people want to bring more. They are the sick ones.
If you can't take care of a kid, don't get pregnant. Teenagers shouldn't be having babies.
How about people mind their damn business when it comes to this? It's the mother's decision and choice to have an abortion. Does it affect your lives? No.
I think that we should ask that little baby..."hey would you like to be butchered in some way?".... I vote for the rights of the unborn child.
YES! ✌
@geezusispan I asked a dead person, they didn't say anything so I guess we can kill others b/c when they are dead they won't care b/c they can't say anything too.
Finally someone in this comment section with some common sense
What baby? There's no baby
A bundle of cells is not a baby. How about instead we ask the sperm cells from a guy's cum if they want to die or not. If abortion is murder than masturbation is genocide.
that blonde woman is a serious fool
Ugh, I do not miss Elizabeth's opinions. "Pro-Life" is definitely "Anti-Choice" because the same people who claim to be pro life are the same ones who want to cut back medicare, welfare, and other programs that help those children. If you're going to be pro-life then that also includes giving that child a good quality of life! If you're going to force women to have children they cannot or will not take care of, then be prepared to take care of those children well into their adulthood!
In all honesty as a pastors niece we were taught we aren't allowed to judge and make decisions for others that's god's doing. and the persons choice i am insulted people would use Christ to validate them breaking the rules of being a TRUE christian of being good to other and nonjudgmental. You don't get to protest people's life choices, or make their decisions be then you over stepping your boundaries and trying to act like god so as far as i am concerned be pro-life but the moment you step up and try to make it so other cant be prochoice you yourself are not doing what the lord wanting. Let people live it's their life be a Christ believer and act like a real one.
Aside from the actual topic, I love seeing the comment section and the diversity of people's opinions! With that being said Pro-Choice is the right way. Her life, her body, her choice.
What about the child's life??
+Jim Harbaugh 'I drove a car drunk and had an accident and killed three people, my mistake, my body, my choice' Its the womens choice but its not just her body, its the body of someone else in her
+Chloe Cope its not a child it is a fetus or zygote. doesny develop a central nervous system until 24 weeks. if you want to have an opinion on this at least take a basic biology class so that you know what you are talking about
+Mohsen al-hakim that made no sense.
+Mohsen al-hakim Apples to oranges, diriving drunk is a terrible idea no matter what. Having sex is not, children are is not a punishment for having sex.
I don’t really care what you do, I just don’t want the government telling me what to do with my body.
Im late, really late on this but the Catholic Church is totally against abortion and Obama was in a Catholic Institution discussing this topic is offensive!!
Oh my god, they keep on interrupting eachother
It's even worse now!
Welcome to the world of political arguments.
I find it funny that a person may look at an unborn fetus and say "Ewww it looks like an alien; I don't mind if you kill it." yet if you were to kill that same fetus a few months later after it's actually been birthed, you'd be viewed as a murderer and a baby killer. It just goes to show how the folly of human emotion can skew certain people's view on morality. Personally, I believe it is not our right to end a life, be it our own or of a "person in the making." Pro-choice should mean being able to partake in personal actions that do not affect others in a negative way, and taking responsibility for whatever those choices may be. For instance, if a man and a woman consent to sex, they should have been aware of the possibility of the woman becoming pregnant, even with preventative measures. Thus, they indirectly consented to having a baby. Therefore if the woman does become pregnant, neither of the parents should have the right to an abortion, for they knew the risks involved in the choice they made. In contrast, if a woman is raped, she did not consent to the sex, thus she also did not consent to having a baby, in which case I believe she should have the right to an abortion if she so chooses.
Agree? Disagree?
I agree right up until that last part there. That child still has a right to live. The situation is terrible, no, horrible. However we can't make bad events disappear just because we don't want them to exist. That is why rape is so terrible, because it takes away choice. Not just in the act itself, but in everything after. That same situation, if the rapist had AIDS and the woman caught it, she couldn't have that disappear even though she didn't consent. Quite honestly why I believe rape is the worst crime there is.
Ebony Middleton
It can be a tough call, but in the end I agree. The mother should just have to try and raise the child as best as she can, or perhaps even set him/her/them up for adoption. Unfortunately it seems that in politics, certain... compromises must be made in order to get what we want, regardless of whether they are necessarily the best.
Ebony Middleton
You: "That same situation, if the rapist had AIDS and the woman caught it, she couldn't have that disappear even though she didn't consent."
Me: Your analogy is incorrect. It is based on the idea that science has not advanced far enough for her to have the choice to end her AIDS. In this case, science HAS advanced far enough for her to have the choice to end her pregnancy.
So instead, a correct analogy would be:
"That same situation, if the rapist had syphilis and the woman caught it, she couldn't have that disappear even though she didn't consent."
Then you would be saying that even though science has advanced far enough for her to have the choice to end her syphilis discomfort, she cannot be allowed to do so and she just has to live with the card dealt to her. This is because ending her discomfort would mean ending the bacteria's life, which is currently being nourished by the woman's body, and nobody has the right to end life.
This is such a self-centered argument. People like you always change their tune when their daughter gets pregnant at 17. The fact that people like you see children as a punishment for sex says it all. Better that the children brought into this world are wanted and loved.
I'd like to know how many unwanted children you've adopted. That's not true, I know the answer. Because you're all talk. You want to tell everyone else how to live their life but take no responsibility yourself.
***** Actually, I got pregnant at 18 while in college. If my daughter gets pregnant at 17 I hope she has enough of a sense of responsibility and respect for herself to remember that she doesn't get to make a decision about another person's life. I am actually in the process of adopting a child right now. Your assumptions on how I live mine are humorous. You know nothing about me, however you are obviously egotistical and exceptionally judgmental to make assumptions about how I live my life as you have never met me.
@ MangaEater68 Actually that is not the same, especially since my argument in this case isn't so much about the fact that a woman cannot make a decision about her body, it is about the fact that bad things happen and sometime's we have to live with it. Sometimes there isn't something we can do that isn't unethical ourselves. However, let's look at your argument about being in discomfort giving us a right to do something like kill some one. Which is what this is. You cannot have it both ways. In a murder case, someone who kills a pregnant woman is charged for two counts of murder. In an abortion a fetus is a clump of cells. Why is that? Is it because the mother wanted the baby? Can you guarantee that she did? No, because she died. double standards don't work.
You're not a pro-life, you're anti-choice. I love that. . Every woman should have the right to choose what's best for her. Your religion does not decides my future. Proud to be pro-women PRO-CHOICE
Laws against illicit drug use, prostitution, selling organs, public urination, and indecent exposure show there is no absolute right to do anything we want with our bodies. Also, religion is completely irrelevant to this issue. Innocent human beings are being killed.
The argument admits that the fetus is a person who, by the argument’s own logic, has a right to bodily autonomy. If we would respect the bodily autonomy of a sleeping or unconscious born person by not killing him, then wouldn’t we bound to treat an unborn child in the same way because they too, as a person, have a right to “bodily autonomy?”
Jack Williams aww you poor naive little man. let me put it in a term that only ignorant people will understand: ME WOMAN YOU MAN, YOU NO HAVE A SAY ABOUT ME. now do you get it, you have no say over me or any other woman... only me myself and i have the right to MY body. why are you so against a woman's rights, do you hate women, is that why?
now let me ask you if a woman dies during childbirth, are you gonna help raise the child along with the other kids she left behind? are you gonna pay for medical bills, formula, diapers insurance? are you gonna help every orphanages donate your time and money to help them? are gonna adopt every abandon children? are you gonna pay rent for a woman that cant afford her kids? are gonna help woman that have been incapacitated during childbirth? if not then STFU about your pro-life
patdaboni1221 I know, as a man I will never truly understand what women go through in abortions. They can explain it to me in full detail and I will only kind of get it. I know that women don't do this because they see it as fun or because they enjoy killing babies.
I don't have say over you just as you don't have say over your next door neighbour. I never said I had say over anyone, sorry if it seemed that way. You have a right to your body but you can't do absolutely anything you want with it as I showed in my examples.
If a woman's life is in danger during childbirth, we shouldn't let her die and save the baby. BUT, we shouldn't kill the baby to save the mother either. We save who we can, we try save both equally.
I agree that if the mother's life is in danger and you need to take the baby out of the womb with the intent to save him/her and he/she doesn't make it is not murder. Of course it's bad because someone just died but it wasn't purposeful.
Trust me, if it was up to me and if I had millions of dollars, I would make orphanages and homes for children. I would help homeless and poor people as I'm sure you would too if you had the chance but unfortunately I don't.
Pro-lifers speak about this because the government can change this law that allows the baby to be dismembered. Humans have walked on the moon. If we can do something as extraordinary as that, I'm sure we can come up with non-violent solutions to unwanted pregnancies.
The unborn is a human being who should be treated like one. If they are growing and developing aren't they alive? If they are a human organism and they have human parents wouldn't that make them human? If they are human don't they deserve respect and don't they have the right to life as you and I do?
***** Before I start, I would like to just note that I didn't mean any offence to you. Sorry if you were offended.
When did your life begin? Now, some say between 20-24 weeks a baby can survive outside of the womb AKA they're viable. Lets pick 24 weeks. That implies we've been counting for 24 weeks something that happened 24 weeks ago. Something happened that was significant enough for us to consider we should 'press start' on the clock. Wouldn't that mean that someone who is 24 weeks old's life began, 24 weeks ago? At conception/fertilisation?
Before conception, the sperm and egg on their own will never grown into a baby, toddler, adult etc. At fertilisation the genetic information which makes you YOU is determined then. Then a one celled, two celled, four celled etc organism is present. After conception, lets say, in 8 months, don't we just have an older version of the same individual who is in fact human?
Science shows us that biological human beings begin to exist after sperm and egg successfully unite to form a zygote, or a one-celled human organism. This is a fact.
Keith Moore and T.V.N Persaud’s textbook 'The Developing Human' states “Human life begins at fertilization” and Langman’s Medical Embryology also states that “Development begins with fertilisation.” The fourth chapter of Scott Gilbert’s textbook Developmental Biology is simply titled, “Fertilization: Beginning of a New Organism.”
Finally, David Boonin, the author of A Defense of Abortion, writes, “Perhaps the most straightforward relation between you and me on the one hand and every human foetus on the other is this: All are living members of the same species, homo sapiens. A human foetus after all is simply a human being at a very early stage in his or her development.”
Women aren't just machines that have babies. They're not. I really hope nobody thinks that but this shouldn't allow for the baby they carry in their womb to be killed and dismembered in an abortion.
All I'm saying is, we shouldn't place more value on one human than the other because we are all equal. Everyone of us has rights and one special right is the right to life.
Now if a woman doesn't want the baby but goes through with the pregnancy, will it be hard? Absolutely. Does she and her child need support throughout the pregnancy? Wholeheartedly. But we don't base our morals on what is easy and hard, we base it on what is right and wrong.
Like, how would you respond if someone said to you "My one year old can't liver on her own and is fully dependant on me to care for her and because I am more important than her, I may kill the child"?
Jack Williams first of all how dare you say that a woman can not do what she wants with her body, legal or illegal ANYONE has every right to their body newsflash slavery ended years ago 2)an embryo or a fetus does not have human rights until it takes it's first breath,.3) if a fetus was consider a human being, it should be allowed to have life insurance, do you know how many women would take out life in insurance on their fetus and then force a miscarriage just to get the money. 3) not every woman are able to go through pregnancy, take rape for example, do you think after a traumatic and horrific experience a rape victim can go through a pregnancy,do you think is fair to force her to deliver her rapist child oh btw did you know that a rapist can have custody of his child. do you know about incest rape, do you think is fair to force a 12 years old or 13 years old a 17 years old to give birth her siblings. abortion should stay legal because not every girl can report their rape or are afraid to report it..
It's not anti choice it's anti murder 🙄
"Who knows whether that child would've ended up in a good situation?" .....We do, we have these things called statistics that can tell us how likely it is for a baby in that situation to end up in a negative situation. Don't force someone to take on the responsibility of having to raise a child if you're not willing to also help them through welfare!
You know what? I was born with spina bifida to a family with an alcoholic father. Statistically speaking, I should be in a bad situation. OK. I will concede that my life is not perfect - but HOW DARE YOU insinuate that I would be better off dead!!! That is nobody's judgement to make, but mine. My life is horrible in many ways, but I am grateful to be here;;;because my life is also good in many ways. And it is MY choice - not my mother's - on how good/bad my life is...
Debbie Kelley HOW DARE YOU ASSUME THAT I WANTED YOU DEAD! I said that the mother shouldn't be forced to carry the baby to term if she didn't want to if she also isn't going to receive support through welfare to help raise the child also. I was trying to call out the hypocrisy of the ppl wanting to force the mother to keep the baby but not willing to help the mother with the baby once the baby is born. After the baby is born the mother is labeled a burden to society and just left to fend for herself. Also, yea it IS your mother's choice because you are HER responsibility. You are demanding that you be left alive because your life is your choice. Well honey by doing so you are also demanding that your mother sacrifice her life in order for you to have yours. I get that the choice between the two isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination but you need to extend the same right to your mother that you're demanding to yourself. That said, you can take your self-righteous BS and shove it wherever you feel comfortable. Good day!
@@neos373 you can't choose to be conceived before you're even alive nor can you chose to be born, so no, it's not really your choice, it was your parents' choice to have a baby. and individual cases are not statistics; i'm sure just as many people wish their parents didn't have them when they weren't ready.
Did you read the last sentence of my statement? I said that the mother is the one who should have the choice to keep or abort.
Remember having a President that was dignified? Oh man...
He was still a war criminal
Infoslayer827364938 You can’t spell AND you’re racist? Pick a struggle, man.
The baby is the victim in abortion
They had a choice. You had the choice to rap it up and close your legs. If you can't afford a child, adopt. There are many of people that are desperate for a child. Give it to them. If you were raped, why should the child suffer? It's innocent.
If you don't have the resources, looking at that baby may not make it easier, but it makes it worth it. And determination helps carry the human spirit to develop perseverance, hope, and change.
hope doesn't pay the bills nor does it gives you the emotional maturity to be able to raise a child properly
When you do not have resources, then think of birth control.
exactly!
And abortion!
Exactly
No method of birth control, except abstinence has a 100% success rate.
They should call it pro-choice and anti-choice, no they should really call it pro-abortion and anti-abortion.
I would just like to say, to all those nazi-like pro'life' failures out there.. THANK YOU /ever/ so much for supporting the rape, and suicide of my mother. It's nice to know how much your kind truly values and respects life and people.
The pro-life stance does not support rape and suicide. I am sorry for your tragic loss.
I'm not sure what you are asking me
yet here you are, speaking on her behalf. She could have no one to speak for her
The bottom line is that women's bodies are their own, and they have (and should continue to have) the right to decide when and under what circumstances to have a baby. It is none of the government's business what goes on inside the bodies of its female citizens. Period. I know abortion is an ethically difficult and often socially painful issue, but at some point the nuanced arguments and inflamed passions have to be set aside and the base fact asserted: women have the right to terminate a pregnancy, especially early on. After a point, there must be a medically necessary reason, but within the first trimester this choice is for the woman to make.
And we know from studying this issue on both a contemporary global scale and a historical and sociological scale that the countries with the highest rates of abortion are countries in which it has been banned and/or criminalized. The countries which have the lowest rates of abortion are those in which there is proper sex education, women have access to basic healthcare and gynecological services, where child care is either very affordable or free, and yes, in which abortion is legal, safe, and accessible.
The problem with the "pro-life" movement is that they aren't pro-life at all. They're pro-birth. They care about human life for approximately forty weeks, and once it leaves its mother's body and enters the world, they no longer give a shit about it. This movement, which has attached itself to the Republican Party, is at the vanguard of the most regressive and harmful economic and social policy imaginable. They don't care about women, children, or families -- they care only about their parochial and fanatical moral vision without any regard for the real-world impact of the policies they advocate.
***** Your words have no meaning, you make absolutely no sense, and you fall victim to all manner of Liberal Victimization and Propaganda. What you have wrote has no substance and everyone who has read it has become dumber for having done so. You are the hatchling of a reptilian demonic spawn from the deepest parts of Satan's rectum.I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
John Doe How does his argument not make sense? You're saying women shouldn't have a choice it what to do with their bodies? You're a waste of human life...
Then they should abort their bodies not the babies.
***** Inflamed passions happen when you kill a child! Our current president is for late term abortions...This is similar to killing one who has been born already...And to kill a human is not something that is the opposite of repressive...It is murder and it is painful for this little child who did nothing to deserve it! Steven, what if it was you, at 21 weeks? Your nervous system is developed to the point that you will experience severe and traumatizing pain...You don't know that you are hated...You don't know that no one wants you...Or you don't know they might be agonizing over the decision...But there you are, an innocent little soul...being hunted down and murdered, in an excruciating way, because they have decided you are not just what they want right now! Put laws aside...Is this okay with you, your welcome out into the world is a painful homicide?
Cheryl Bielma Lol funny how the people saying abortion is murder are probably the same people who would say a child molester or a wife beater or rapist deserves capital punishment.
I'm against the death of the innocent.
Sad how people think thay because someone is connected to something means its "there body" people on life support stil! Have basic fundematal human rights, I don't understand what goes through a pro choicers head. I find it depressing that Millions of babies are removed of there right to live, the right to look out a window and see the green grass, there right to speak for themselves, and I am just one man on the internet that cant do anything to help them.
Then we need to stop bombing 8 countries like we are now.
According to the Christian Bible NOBODY is born “innocent”
Having an abortion was physically and mentally difficult, but it was absolutely the best thing I could do for myself and my daughter. I'll never regret doing it.
Whatever gets you through the night......
I sleep peacefully at night!
Why is what?
Look what this led to now in N.y... pure EVIL!!!
After having my own abortion I can see why people become pro life. I almost considered turning pro life because I regret my decision at times. However many people who do have abortions know it was the right choice and don’t have regret. I would never want to force someone to be a mother if they don’t want to
If you can't afford a child don't make one.. simple as that.
I grew up playing with babydolls. Every Christmas there was a new baby doll for me to unwrap. I always knew I would grow up, get married, and have children. I found true love in my early twenties. We married and I had three miscarriages. At age 32 I was diagnosed with cancer. No children would happen for my husband and I. We don't have the money to adopt. Do you know I would give my life to be a Mommy? How can any one have an abortion? I would gladly raise an unwanted child.
Just because you want a child doesn't mean another woman should be forced to have one.
Elizabeth is gone from the show thank God.
i agree
woopie should let people speak.
So should you.
While there's SO MUCH to respond to in this video, I especially want to retort based off of that last comment about the child possibly "being Hitler". That argument fails on so many levels:
1.Are you really trying to tell me that, we should execute MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of unborn children, or that the "it could be Hitler" argument is justified for WHATEVER reason, because also possible contractors, civil engineers, philosophers, doctors, dentists, computer technicians, policemen, future great presidents and other worldly leaders, Martin Luther King Juniors, Mahatma Ghandis, Ptolemys, Pompeys, George Washingtons, Thomas Jeffersons, Franklin D. Roosevelts, Abraham Lincolns, Muammar Gaddafis, etc to get rid of ONE man? Even if you say "There was also Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Un, and a few other poeple", we're getting rid of all the other people I listed for those few men?
2. We do not know for sure what the child will grow up to be. Although we do have several factors that contribute to their development, overall, we don't know 100% how the child will be. However, we do have a law called the presumption of innocence,. meaning, until you can prove 100% that the child will be evil, we have to assume they are innocent.
3. Even if this argument were true there are other things to take into consideration. First of all, ANYBODY (born or unborn) could be Hitler. Don't just assume its just unborn children. But if someone slaughtered innocent children in Africa, or the Middle East, we would not accept his actions simply because he claims "They could have been Hitler".
4. Hitler was from Austria. If you're so concerned about him coming back, legalize abortion there but keep it out of the rest of the world. Even so, there is a rise in Neo Nazism in Europe. Meaning we're either too late, or we aborted the wrong people.
That was a long read. I 100% disagree with you. Are u gonna be there when the child is born? Are u gonna make sure the child doesn't enter the flawed foster care system? Are u gonna be there to protect the child from getting phisically and mentally abused? Are u gonna fund the child's needs? Are u gonna makeb sure the childs doesnt end up in jail? You are not pro-life, you are pro-birth and your points makes zero sense!
You know it's funny because back then people's argument for slavery was "If you don't agree with slavery then just don't own a slave!" See how flawed that logic is?
Pregnancy is not like anything else. Of course, men don't know that, do they?
+2126Eliza pregnancy? What is that? Nope, I have never heard of it.
i lost so many brain cells reading the comments
Everyone should watch "Unplanned"
Research Both Sides Equally oh that biased religious shitty movie?? No thanks.
What did the child/fetus do to deserve his or her life to be terminated?
This abortion discussion is very complex. Too complex for these particular women to really discuss. What I will say is that having an abortion is a difficult decision and most women do not have abortions with easy hearts and minds and think it over for many restless days and some have guilt. However it is the right decision for a lot of women. Second, Planned Parenthood does more than just provide abortions and I don't want to critique them but I do believe Sherri's socioeconomic background and race and age played a part in them encouraging her. But only intellectuals will truly understand that.
+loveislouderrrrr It is so intellectual to believe that killing a sentient human requires any kind of smarts.
Someone should show that clip of Obama to Trump and tell him to take notes....Obama didn't go on a Twitter rant after that
Just got worse dear.
If you have a baby an can't afford your kid put it up for adoption
+BoardWolf So your choice would be to kill one who might have a hard life? Really?
+Eric Hults sometimes that worse than abortion, even for the mother. Why make the mother suffer? What will anyone gain from putting her through it?
+Thomas Aquinas why make a child die because it will be hard for the mother. the thing is,decide what you want to do sure because really that only effects your life and conscience but while she is deciding she should of thought about that before getting pregnant. people want a get out of jail free card with everything in life. you make a choice live with the consequences either way. most women regret getting an abortion afterwards anyway
BoardWolf I did say you choose to get pregnant. I said you need to live with your choices in life you chose to have sex knowing you can get pregnant. you get pregnant both the man and woman should deal with that and saying what I did takes no right away from her in regards to her body she used that right to decide to have sex and the life that was created shouldn't have to die because she made a dumb decision. Also why am I uneducated because I disagree with you?
Ultimately it's a woman's choice. The Supreme Court has made it a law. You want to save lives, let's hear your support for repealing the 2nd amendment.
I think only rape victims should be able to have the choice of abortion, for the simple fact they didn't consent to sex or to have a child. The only choice the other women should have is the choice not to put themselves in the position to have a child in the first place, knowing damn well they aren't even financially stable to ready to take care of a child. I find it disgusting to hear some women have had multiple abortions. There should at least be a fucking limit. Unfortunately, if this option were only open to rape victims, we'd have 10x more "rape victims" reporting their rape.
May I ask why you think abortions are bad and women who have had 'multiple' abortions is bad?
Jack Williams The killing of a baby just doesn't sit well with me, especially when it could have been prevented. There is no reason why anyone in their right mind should be having multiple abortions. Why would anyone want to constantly keep going through that process? Why would anyone keep putting themselves in that predicament? It's just not right. One abortion is already one thing but multiple... something needs to be done.
Alexis Randall I agree with you. If we can agree the unborn human is just an innocent baby, shouldn't we be against killing him/her in a violent way ALL the time even in the case of rape? The poor children are being dismembered and disembowelled in abortions.
I'm not trying to degrade the horror and trauma of the rape on the woman but an abortion won't 'un-rape' her. She will still have the memories and experience of the crime. Still, I cannot begin to imagine how hard it must be to go through with the pregnancy of a child conceived in rape.
I think rapists should be severely punished and they should be forced to do hard labour for committing such a horrible and cowardly crime on an innocent woman. But we cannot (at least where I live) give him the death penalty.
If we aren't giving the death penalty to the rapist, why should we give the death penalty to the innocent child? The baby is being put to death for the crime of the father which I see as unfair on him/her.
Again, I'm not trying to make this sound 'easy' because it's not. Will it be hard? Extremely. Do we need to give the mother absolute care and support throughout the pregnancy? Wholeheartedly. But we don't base our morals on easy and hard, we base it on whats right and wrong.
Jack Williams You are so right. Great points made! I 100% agree with you.
Jack Williams Their is a difference between "morality" and "reality," which I believe you don't understand. Having a child is a very hard thing to do, financially and mentally ... Through your logic, a fetus that isn't even close to the point of birth, should be regarded as a actual human being. The decision to have a child is a very difficult one, planning between a couple to get ready for this is imperative, forcing a woman to give birth to a child that she doesn't believe she is ready for and doesn't want to have is completely her decision, we have no right to invade on her choice and push her to go through with such a serious thing.Although when you stand up and use the term "un-rape" to sway a woman's choice, this is where I need to step in. Saying there should be a limit on abortions is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard, you don't know a single persons situation to be able to put up laws against these women, they have the right to choose. Saying "I'm not trying to degrade the horror and trauma of the rape on the woman but an abortion won't 'un-rape' her. She will still have the memories and experience of the crime," is a really scary thing to read. The idea taking the trauma of a rape away through abortion has never been claimed, nor will it ever, but saying "Hey suck it up, raise the kid. THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN. An abortion won't un-rape you." How can you legitimately say that an abortion is wrong because it doesn't go back and erase the memory of rape. These women would have to live with a child that they weren't ready for, have to look at every day and remind them selves of how painful the event was. It honestly disgusts me to read these comments, I'm sorry if I sounded insulting, but hearing this shit is really getting old.
If you know you cant afford to take care of a baby then why have sex or why have sex without protection?
i understand what Elizabeth which is rare but at the end of the day..unless you are married or in a committed union you shouldn't even be fornication especially without a condom for your own safety if we want to be technical. And if you are having sex at least use a condom because in the end that child didn't knock on you uterus and asked to be conceived. If you are going to give life at least own your responsibility and take care of it. If you are a victim of molestation/rape that is different and will be handled in the proper manner but any woman is is willing to lay up with a man with no condom should understand the risk in getting pregnant.
..fornication..? So all of your argument is based on.. what, exactly? Personal opinions? Even your definition of 'responsibility' is skewed. On what grounds should your arguement, any part of it, be forced on someone else?
I am just simply saying as adults we should be responsible enough and smart enough to know that unsafe sex could result in sickness/unwanted pregnancy. There are women who have 5+ abortions and I don't understand that logic.Of course it is someone I know but it is reckless behavior to continue to put the unborn child and also yourself at harm just because you are being irresponsible. I'm not saying my belief I'm am saying technically if you want to be fair under a lot of the belief mainly speaking about Elizabeth sex should be between husband and wife..At the end of the day I am giving my opinion which I believe most women should think is valid. If your young, fast, or simply don't use condoms to protect yourself I just feel a lot of that hard-ache is on that individual. It is the women choice but in my eyes it is irresponsible on both sides to even get to that point of an unwanted pregnancy with a man or woman who is in no mental or financial place to handle another life. People can make excuses all they want but this is why we have so many issues today with young women. Everybody is allowing this behavior with no education to deter this from happening.
Jessica Brown I did use protection. The condom split. But then you move on to attacking sexuality itself.. but did you know that a good portion of abortions are had by married women who already have kids?
Sex is not/ only for reproduction.. and among humans it is more of a social tool than for reproduction, and psychology and human history every which way to sunday proves that. Just the very existence OF birth control, abortion, and even adoption prove sex isn't consent to reproduction. And if sex is had without the intent to reproduce, but it is still willingly initiated, that means it has other purposes whether you like it or believe it or not.
I have sex with my husband to feel good. and because I want to express love.. and that doesn't make my sex life more or less responsible than someone else's just b/c they might not be married, ect. And I don't use birth control b/c I don't trust the hormones. I'm now on an IUD.
I'm all for birth control and sex ed, but the thing is comprehensiove and intelligent sex ed is hard to come by- parents vehemently attacfk any type of sex ed that is not abstinence-only or rooted in shock/fear tactics. Also, the only freely available birth control are condoms.. I'd like to see pill form, shot form, and even IUDs available extremely discounted or even FREE, and WITHOUT parental consent, b/c otherwise the majority of teens having sex will not be able to obtain contraception. Or comprehensive sex ed, and that becomes endangerment or even retaliation when you more or less force them into unsafe circumstances with unplanned unwanted pregnancies, STDs, ect..
Sex should not only be 'for the rich' or those who 'can afford it' if things go wrong.. that's fucked up, classist, and given most circumstances, even racist when you look at the statistics of women poverty level and below who cannot obtain decent birth control or who seek abortion access.
I know women and have worked with teens who have sought abortion, and all but two of the teens I've worked with were using some/ form of contraception.. but contraception can be faulty- ESPECIALLY if it is hormonal. And that is not the users' fault. I know I didn't make or want the condom to split.. and I wasn't old enough to obtain birth control of any other form on my own. And if I'd asked i would have been punished or questioned for it, and would have paid dearly.
It dodn't stop me, and resulted in a bad situation that almost killed me and I didn't even /care/. And it's certainly not stopping others... all the limited and sometimes contradictive circumstances and 'options' women and teens have these days seem to really do is just make things harder.
Make contraception IN ALL FORMS available freely, discounted or free, and keep parental consent out of it b/c most parents are backward and even vindictive or proud enough to willfully endanger their child rather than protect them, then sit there and tantrum if their child gets an STD or pregnant, and will refuse to even address the possibility of their child needing it or wanting it- even for actual medical reasons like hormonal birth control regulating irregular, painful menstruation.. I've worked in cases where parents hve had me try to investigate if their child was involved in fucking prostitution b/c they were getting the pill from a friend.. and they turned out to be virgins, just trying to fix a simple medical issue their parents are too irrational and cowardly to face b/c they think giving a teen contraception of any kind is a free ticket to go fuck the whole universe..
..thinking like that, and the resultant actions CAUSE more problems than they could ever hope to fix.
I understand that...Ok the condom broke.But any adult or person grown enough to make that decision to have sex needs to consider everything. The only 100 percent guaranteed contraceptive is abstinence. Yes birth control exists but none if it is natural. I didn't have sex until 18 when I moved out rented room ..Out of my parents house. I did it that way because I wanted to be on my own once I started to get into men sexually...that's just my choice. Now I am engaged at 24 and we use protection. Yes, it could break but at this point we are in a point in our lives where we could bring a child into this world IF it happened but at this moment we are not trying. I have never been on birth control but every woman is different. The point I was making to you was I'm not exactly for abortions. but then again I'm not gonna protest just because someone does it. It ultimately is your choice. I'm just saying my opinion. Maybe me saying "married" through you off. being married doesn't mean that you have your stuff together. Anybody can get married and go to the courthouse and that doesn't mean you have your own place, a job, stability, in some cases it's just a piece of paper And the fornication comment was mainly influenced from living with my mom. I wouldn't exactly identify with being a Christian but I do see some of the views helpful.. I decided to not live that life to the T and had sex once I moved out cause I didn't want to be in her household going against her rules and plus i like my space. I graduated at 17 went to a tech school become a Dental assistant moved out at 18. Started working in DC rented a room out there and eventually met my fiance. Now I work in Reston and that''s where we currently reside. I am no where near balling but I think I'm doing quite well for myself.. No, sex isn't for the rich who can provide easily but let's think straight here. Why am I going to have sex still in my parents home, no job , no car and think I can raise a child with a guy in the same boat as I am? Money isn't everything but we are given a brain for a reason. Married or not sex comes with consequences whether your doing it to reproduce or social. And std or pregnancy wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
ryddelwearsahat ll "the condom split" is the biggest load of bullshit a hoe comes up with to get a man to pay her way in life ...... just seriously think .... which society would you rather live in ? a society founded on marriage in which sex was profoundly private and loving instead of this monotonous cold mechanical thing which also emotionally damaged people
Why did no one mention adoption? It's a valid point to bring up when regarding abortion.
slideshowgurl common arguments on that: Some girls/women cannot physically handle pregnancy Some girls/women can find themselves at risk during child birth In cases of rape, some girls/women cannot stomach the thought of even carrying their rapist's babynot everyone can deal with giving the child up. *not saying these are MY arguments, but they're ones I've heard.
Sydney Kennerson Yeah but those are the minority of women getting abortions. I think it should have been mentioned in this interview, at least as another point, as it is the third option commonly discussed with someone facing an unplanned pregnancy.
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100% valid, I missed that whole point of your comment I apologize lol it absolutely should've been mentioned at the very least. Abortion is not the only alternative to keeping a baby
some women just dont want to be pregant
The foster care system is already overloaded. Just imagine what would happen if suddenly women across the country dumped their babies into the foster care system. I'm sure you'd step up an adopt a few, right????
If you value life, don't kill a life...
stephy babs its not “life” until at least 21 weeks and then they don’t let you get an abortion
Abortion is a terrible thing in my opinion. I'd never or any of my family wouldnt have 1 but I cant tell other people what to do
everyone should have the right to do what they want with their own body.would you want someon telling you what to do with your body ?abortions used to be illegally and ppl did them anyway in the worst way.for example drugs, dirty make shift clinics and stuff like that which was worst because they would catch infections
ryddelwearsahat
We as a society can all agree on three basic principles: 1. You own your body and can do whatever you want with it (Eat, drink, exercise or not, etc). 2. You own the fruits of your labor 3. You have the right to protect your body and the fruits of your labor (Ipods, cars, houses, etc) whether through your means or a third party (Police for example).
You either agree with these principles fully or you do not. There is no "yes, but..." or "In most cases yes, but what about.." or "Maybe an exception to killing could be made if it were to cause 9mths of pain." So my question to you is, why do you make an exception? The moment that another body is formed is the moment that it is afforded these rights. Otherwise it just becomes open to opinion as to when the correct moment to afford the individual its natural rights.
So really the best argument you have is "It doesn't look human, therefore it isn't human."
But that argument doesn't really hold water as while you may not look like an idiot, it doesn't change the fact that you are.
There, is that a good enough logical argument? Please note the pro choice cause relies heavily on emotional arguments and refuses to state logically sound ones.
xKenshinHimura Okay, wait, what?
Who the hell are you, total stranger on the internet, to try to put limits or conditions on MY opinions..? In the name of god, society, rurouni kenshin, anything..? Obviously we do not agree on seemingly anything, except that your namesake was utterly badass. ^^ ((I was in love with Saito))
Don't speak FOR me, or try to overlay YOUR terms and ideals on top of MY opinions and reasons, and then behave as if you're still trying to talk to ME, and not whatever scapegoat you are attempting to turn me INTO first.
Go ahead and insult me and whatever else, saying something, feeling strong, smart, angry, ect.. nothing will make what you accuse me of, threaten me, or want me to be, true.. and that includes me being an idiot just b/c you want me to be.
As for why i support abortion, it is simple- not every person is the same person with the same body, emotional standpoint, psychological development/strengths, and not everyone lives the exact same circumstances and has the same abilities and support around them.. and for those who do not have the LUXURY, therefore, of a safe/supportive pregnancy, or the 'right' to choose adoption afterward, I support abortion, but only in extreme cases.
these women are full of contradictions. A life is a life, you're murdering a baby. Plain and simple. Rationalize all you want, that's still a living, growing, bundle of life developing within a woman. People are starting to see that now.
nope. your fight against bodily autonomy is going to fail.
@truelady2anna You are so right! These women were just so annoying and frankly I wouldn't have liked them even if they had been pro-life because they were so RUDE! Your right, it is a life not a choice! And @Grumpy Dal watch and see who will win, I know for a fact it will be pro-lifers because we have evidence and common sense behind our arguments! Do you?
we, the sane ones, have bodily autonomy. you have appeals to emotion and politics. youre pathetic.
Anatomy? If you really trusted anatomy then you would realize the baby has a heart beat at 8 weeks of development. YOU are the pathetic one! Also isnt pro choice all about emotions? Grumpy Dai
autonomy. i understand that reading is hard for prolifers, but do try...
"They should really call it anti-choice.." "Who are these people deciding I'm not pro-life?" Then who are these people to say that we are anti-choice? I am pro-choice, I believe women have the right to control their bodies. But I believe abortion is wrong in most cases.
StandUpAndFight72 Then you're not who she's talking about. You said it. You're pro-choice. You believe that women have the right to choose. Pro-choice doesn't mean you agree with abortion. It means that you agree with a woman making her own choice. Joy's talking about people who are trying to STOP women from HAVING the choice altogether. Pro-Life wants to make choice illegal. Not to trivialize it but it's like smoking. You can dislike smoking all you want... but there's a difference between not liking smoking, personally, and trying to outlaw smoking for EVERYONE. So Joy's argument is that you are anti-choice if you're trying to encourage laws to prevent women from having the right to choose -- not because you don't agree with the choice.
OneLoveRSR I guess I didn't make myself clear. I want to make abortion illegal, wish it was, except in the cases of life and death or rape. I think women should have choices and rights. I think abortions are murder which is why I am against them. At the same time I'm a feminist and believe in the rights of women. I actually believe that smoking should be illegal too...
StandUpAndFight72 So if you want to make it illegal for a woman to choose to have an abortion if they feel that's the choice they need to make... explain to me why you're mad at being called "anti-choice" if you want to make that choice illegal?
To me it seems like it's about anti-choice in general not just for abortion.
Stop playing dumb. You know the pro-choice and pro-life phrases refer specifically to abortion.
I worked in a pediatric clinic that was the state clinic for abused children. Most of those children were born unwanted but the parents of the pregnant woman wouldn't hear of letting their daughter get an abortion. Those children ended up being "failure to thrive"...which means to stop growning at around 3 or 4 years old and die in your teens because you were never given love...a requirement for a healthy animal period. Others were sexually assaulted...the horror stories are worst than any one could imagine. No child deserves to live though such hell. Pro-lifers should call themselves pro-birthers...because after the birth they don't care and don't want to know reality. Human history...such as the americans indians...used herbs to abort a child they could not feed. Abortion has been around since the beginning of man. It's not a happy subject - just a reality.