As a Yoshi main, I was able to find ONE use for Egg Roll, and it’s only specifically against King Dedede and only when he’s specifically using Gordo Throw. When you use Egg Roll you can charge through the Gordo, hitting it back and hitting King Dedede as well. That’s literally it
Except literally any decent move can do the same thing. I have a clip that is made up of Dedede firing of a Gordo in a 8 player Smash, where it proceeds to be reflected by Dark Samus Forward Air, Pichu Get Up Attack, of all things, and potentially Ridley Up Smash, which both hit Dedede, and increaced the intensity of the upwards momentum of the Gordo, I don’t know, the entire exchange was about 2 seconds long, and the Ridley/Gordo/Dedede exchange was less than 10 frames.
Frost Glader I think you missed my point here. I’m aware literally any move can reflect a Gordo. Egg Roll is special that it can both hit the Gordo back, and Dedede with the Egg Roll itself. All that aside Egg Roll is still a bad move
I'm gonna have to disagree with Samus' Homing Missile and say that Samus' worst move would be her two hit jab as not only isn't the jab not very strong, it can't even combo into the 2nd part of the jab making it very punishable meaning that only the 1st part of jab, that deals a measly 3.6% damage, is going to be even at all useful but even then, using literally any other move is going to be much better than Samus' jab. At least you can pressure with the Homing Missile.
I'd disagree. Jab at least is a good mix up option into grab if you only jab 1, while I've never seen homing missile actually do jack squat in my year of playing elite smash except slightly annoy me.
@@adomali87yearsago.71 yeah and being honest giving kirby an outright bad or non-useful move would kind of be a dick move on sakurai's end As kirby is for beginers in a way
an exception might be made with little mac, considering the fact that his aerials are supposed to be bad. it would be more interesting to see unintentionally bad moves
18:57 "Jigglypuff's Rollout goes at Mach 10" is a rediculous enough claim to be in the Pokédex. (Seriously, the writers of that thing just love Mach Speed and destroying vehicles.)
I feel like luigis side special being luigis worst move contradicts what he kept saying at other parts of the video that these are the least useful moves Bc it’s useful as a recovery tool right
7.0.0 just made several things on this list down right wrong: - Zelda's f-tilt is now so strong that the risk for throwing it out is much more worth is in a lot of situations. Her new worst move is probably f-smash? IDK what it would be but it's not f-tilt. - Remember when Doc's down-tilt was his worst move? Now it's one of his best. Leads into combos and kill confirms into a lot of his moves. His new worst move is definitely up-tilt. - Same thing with Young Link as with Doc. One of his worst moves is now one of his best.
Zelda's worst move is probably up Smash. It can never hit grounded characters unless they are huge and it isn't even that strong. Also people can kind of fall out of it.
4:25 There’s no way that Kirby down air is considered worse than hammer or rock, hammer in particular. the only thing I can think of for hammer is using it in the air on some1s shield for good shield damage (can’t even break full shield), but it’s probably the most predictable and worst setup of any shield break, and its the only actual use I could find. Zero chance d-air is the worst kirby move
Ikr, I will never understand how these people have such dedication in order to figure out every reaction to every scenario, at least for their main. It’s pretty respectable, honestly.
This sounds so much like my little sister (she plays Bayonetta), honestly it isn’t a bad strategy, I used to main Yoshi and would only spam random buttons, using this strategy I lost all my friends as I destroyed them with egg roll and ground pound, (they are sweaty with Kirby, game and watch and Captain Falcon)
Hammer isn't amazing obviously but it covers most get up options, have super armor and kills super early. Not a move you will use every match but when it works it's really good Sorry for my english x)
smurftaz1 hold up a second, jab 1 is not actually her worst move Sounds crazy, but let me explain. Everyone already knows that jab 1 infamously doesn’t connect into jab 2, but it actually has its uses. You can dash in the opposite direction and pivot fsmash or grab, depending on what the opponent does after being hit by jab 1. Obviously it’s not ideal, but better than homing missiles, which is a complete joke
rancorousGamer absolutely, I’ve seen some niche uses of homing missiles here and there, but it’s rare to ever see jab 2 in a high level tournament, pretty much serves only as a mix up
As a lifelong Mario main, I still have Smash 4 up tilt engraved into my memory, so I use it occasionally. I still need to teach myself not to use it, but it's difficult after the reign of terror that it caused back in Smash 4.
@J Z Dair is at least very close to the worst, if not straight up the worst, so i can see reasonings for it, but he always asks for a specific reasoning behind it and sees is he agrees to it after that
@J Z easy combo starter and useful spike? Little range, slower than ganondorf dair, and such a weak spike that lots of characters can live through it. It seems really good against people who have no idea what's going on
It’s only effective as a powerful shield break punish, but it’s held back by it’s extremely mediocre frame data Down B is effective at escaping juggles, but if it gets read, you’ll be left open to grabs and exiting the Stone leaves a gap for Kirby to be punished. Strong but risky
I know this has already been brought up, but man, I just can't agree with Samus's Homing Missile being worse than Jab 2. Jab 2 has such bad frame data that most characters can literally get hit by Jab 1 and then spot-dodge, shield, or even *hit you back* before Jab 2 connects. The best thing you can do probably 95% of the time after Jab 1 is to run away and throw out something to mix your opponent up. Hell, AFAIK, it's the only move in Smash that's so bad *the in-game tips tell you not to use it*. While homing missile isn't great, you can use it to close off some approaches, in some tech situations, to condition jumps, etc., in situations where committing charged shot to it is prohibitive. It doesn't connect often, but conditioning the reaction to Missile and closing off options with a low-commitment move is still really useful in a lot of situations.
As a Kirby main myself, I can tell you that his down air is a really best move. It’s consistent, and useful when you’re in the air. Hammer is pretty useless, too slow, and has to be charged to do a lot of damage, even against a weak character. You’re better off using side air.
Yep! ,as a Kirby main hammer even tho it applies pressure against less experienced players it can easily be countered and theres probably always a better option Dair is just really good against characters like Duck Hunt and (maybe haven't tried) villager and combos into.almost every one of kirbys moves so theres no reason to say its kirbys worst
I main kirby and I think that either rock or hammer is his worst as hammer is easily countered by any hit and it damages you over time and rock can be countered with a grab. They both are deadly against weaker players though.
It’s D-air for Corrin. On stage, it deals decent damage and it’s range is an alright combo breaker, but off stage, it’s nearly unsurvivable, and it’s useless when it comes to your actual opponent.
As a kirby main and a kirby dair advocate, that is absolutely my favorite move he has. Them bishes cray. Also, I love edgeguarding with PK flash. Perhaps I don’t know how to play my mains 🤔
Kirby's dair is hands down the worst spike in the game. It fails to kills at 90% against the LIGHTEST CHARACTERS IN THE GAME, whereas literally every other spike cleanly kills at 50% or lower. It's slower than ganons dair, and has now where near as much knockback, this move sucks ass.
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"Its not like young like has trouble killing" what? thats legit his only weakness. Also Samus jab literally doesn't work, and calling Kirby's d-air bad is blasphemous
I HEAVILY disagree with the samus’ homing missile being their worst move. I’m even tempted to say that if you’re basing the move on it’s knock back, even partially, you’re using or thinking if the move’s uses entirely wrong. That low knock back is precisely WHY I believe it is a good move, it reliably sets up into several combos, be it a fair , zair, tether grab, or charge shot, and some times even dash attack if you’re close enough. Sure the move doesn’t track the best, but even then, the fact it tracks at all makes it PHENOMENAL for pressure and zoning, especially when mixing in the other missile, charge shot, and zairs. Her worst move would most definitely be her jab combo. While first hit jab is a surprisingly decent “get off me” attack/panic option, the second hit will almost never connect. And while it is true second hit jab has other uses (such as 2 framing and hitting people hanging on ledge) in many circumstances other tools in her kit (full charge shot, d-tilt, d-smash will be a more reliable option anyways.) second hit jab, in my opinion, adds nothing to their kits outside of offering a little mix up here and there. Homing missile is exponentially better than second hit jab, and this isn’t even touching on the mix up potential being able to switch between the two missiles offers. Not to mention homing missile can offer amazing shield pressure when followed up by a tether grab, or weak charge shot
6.3m GSP, huge disagreement. Samus's jab is a very good conditioning tool, and it's fast enough to be a safe move to just throw out and maintain pressure. Jab1 can combo into Jab2 if you D-special->Jab, as the bomb will explode to create hitstun after jab1. D-special also makes it safe if they shield jab1, and leads into a grab, charge shot(shield break after jab1+bomb), or a shorthop d-air mixup whether they shield the bomb or not. D-special protects you from their out of shield options as well, as many characters like to use tether grabs or jabs out of shield against samus's jab1. As the bomb explodes, you're given an opportunity for an easy grab, shorthop n-air or dragdown up-air. It's like a pseudo neutral reset in close quarter fights where Samus tends to struggle. Don't get me wrong, homing missile does great things, but I find that characters in smash ultimate are much better at getting past walls of projectiles, partially due to the directional air dodge
“Way stronger than rollout will ever be” wrong if it’s going down a slope it kills crazy early and I’ve done like 40% with it like that, but I know that slopes aren’t competitively viable but still.
It’s fun to see how these have changed after buffs and nerfs. Dr mario dtilt now has a disgustingly powerful kill confirm as well as being an amazing combo starter now.
As a Kirby main I can tell you with 100% certainty that down air is not Kirby’s worst move, I have no idea why the Kirby discord would say that. Kirby certainly has worst moves IMO, it’s certainly very consistent for me so I agree with your confusion
I dont know how Samus' worst wasnt her jab. It's a two-hit jab where the first hit doesnt even combo into the second hit (or anything else), and it only does 3.6% damage. The homing missiles can at least add some ranged pressure in some situations
5:15 Pikachu’s jab lock is actually great, and is far better than just using a dash attack Edit: At the Pichu part, yes Pika’s fsmash has a sour spot, but good players will almost always land the sweet spot
Agreed. Pikachu's ground speed and dash distance makes it incredibly easy to sweet spot fsmash. Even on a sour spot, it turns into some nice 50/50 scenarios
If you disagree that’s completely fine cuz this my opinion, I really disagree with Kirby’s (I’m a Kirby main) as dair is my most used and trustworthy move. It’s a great combo starter, ok off stage pressure, spikes and is almost impossible to punish on stage because when you land it’s end lag is canceled. It was very hard deciding because all of his moves aren’t really worst than the others but if I had to choose it would probably be down smash. This is because it’s is basically the same as forward or back smash but less powerful and has less range. This is only helpful if you can’t read your opponent and you don’t know which side they’ll be on but if you can read the opponent which if your at a decent level or played the game for a while should be pretty easy. I still don’t know for sure but this is all just from experience but I really don’t think down air is the worst.
Dair is extremely possible to punish on stage, it's -12 on shield, has ridiculously high startup, and it has 16 frames of landing lag if you don't autocancel it. Downsmash, while laggy, is disjointed, his fastest smash attack, 2frames, tech chase traps, and sends at a horrible angle for the opponent. Meanwhile, dair doesn't even do what it's supposed to do: start combos. The landing hit advantage is horrendous on almost every character and it can be SDI'd out of easily, or just avoided on reaction by any competent player. It might seem like a good move at lower levels of online play but you will get punished for even throwing the move out in neutral at high levels of play.
James Truitt very true, I do agree with the offstage end lag dreadful and the start up is pretty trash but I guess it’s different for everyone I find it hard for my opponents to punish but probably because I use it very safely so it probably is but I find it very helpful but then that probably just comes down to play style and opinions. In my set I rarely use down because for me it isn’t that reliable and I do sometimes use it because of the disjoint but I just prefer forward or back but then again it’s impossible to tell witch move is the worst in Kirby’s move set 😅
I've seen all of the comments and responses on how Kirby's Side B is actually better than his Down Air and I still can't see it Regardless of if they are or not, it really *feels* like the Kirby discord was trolling
They were not trolling. Dair is slow, has no true follow ups if the opponent can SDI, has a terrible spike, is not safe on shield, and is a terrible landing option. Side B can ledge trap, shield break, shield break punish, and catch certain recoveries.
I know they're not trolling, it just doesn't sound right To each their own, I'm still gonna think down air is better but it's not fact or anything, I'm not a Kirby main so it ain't in my ballpark
@@WafflesDaPancake Heh, yeah. Kirby is just very underrepresented in top level play, so people don't really know much about the character. It's really funny when non-Kirby users learn that dair is a bad move, stone and hammer flip have uses, and the Palutena Kirby matchup is even (some people are starting to think it's winning for Kirby).
Pikachu's jab is actually one of his better moves, due to every single hit of jab taking up a spot in the 'staling counter.' I suggest watching esam's video where he ranks all of Pikachu's moves for more details.
Bowser's worst move is definitely dash attack let's be honest. What no one seems to realize is that a down angled forward tilt wont reach down far enough on stages with angled edges like lylatt and down tilt will which makes it useful on those stages. Dash attack is just a bad turnaround canceled forward tilt.
dair is absolutely not Kirby's worst move, it's a combo starter, a kill confirm, a spike and has a quite generous hitbox for how small kirby is, hammer flip on the other side is similar to falcon punch in the way that it isn't a viable attack for how long it takes to land, not only that but you can easily be punished for it
Taken directly from Ice_killer 305 Hammer is a bit better and with how dair is, being frame 18, inconsistent, when offstage can even get YOU killed, and overall isn't the best kind of move to just throw out in this clip, a Kirby used dair offstage like normal but DIED for it clips.twitch.tv/AnimatedTallHabaneroNotATK When we were asked what was the worst move we all made sure to give the right answer, we weren't trolling anyone, Dair is NOT our best move, is it good? its meh but Hammer can - ledgetrap (if fully charged, has super armor frames 11-17) - used for catching jumps (even off stage which will net you more kills earlier than dair will on most occasions) - the optimal shieldbreak punish (this is obvious) - can be used to get a shieldbreak (Although Kirby doesn't have any true shieldbreak set ups in this game, hammer can be used if someone is caught shielding too much I ENCOURAGE you to join the Kirby Discord and to look into the #metagame channel as we are showing why dair isn't as good as people say
Dair's only usage is to spike linear recoveries offstage without hitboxes. Even so, it doesn't spike till 120. For down airs, it's among the worst in the game.
i guess but none of those examples could really be used practically in a match vs dair often being used to close out stocks and being kirby's main combo starter along with forward throw
12:07 I don't know if the recent patches changed Docs worst move, but from my experiences, Down Tilt is Docs best tilt. It's a good combo set up as it can lead into itself once or twice then a grab. For me, one down tilt can lead into 40 to 50%.
As a Kirby main, down air is not his worst move. I would say that grounded hammer or down smash is worse. Also, flurry attack I dont use as much, if I do use it. I dont think the Kirby discord is right (obviously that's my opinion).
Dair is wayyyyy more useful than hammer. Its integral to low percents combos, some of which put your opponent off stage, leads into side tilt or up tilt, spikes, and cancels if performed low enough to the ground. If you managed to hit someone with hammer there were likely better, more safe options you could have used instead.
It's almoat like those kirby mains didn't really know what they were talking about, and just wanted to either troll Jiggly or lie to him to shittalk dair.
it has a lot of start up making it kinda bad for low percent combos unless ur opponent is retarded and doesnt know how to move or shield or roll or spot dodge.
Rollout is so bad, the SmashWiki page for Rollout wasn't updated for Ultimate until April 2023. Then somebody vandalized the Rollout page, and nobody noticed for three more weeks.
@@smugsuperoof4314 an argument could be made for either I suppose. Stone is situational, but so is hammer. I just think that hammer has better alternatives in almost any situation
Kirby mains are really trying to convince me that dair is worse than down-smash, down special, hammer, and up-air? C'mon, dair is one of his best moves...
Up air got buffed and down special can edge-guard decently enough, so they're okay. As someone who mains Kirby, I think they picked dair because it comes out on frame 18 (for reference Ganondorf's dair is frame 16), is a weak kill move against any character with a good recovery, and if you fast fall you won't get the last hit which is the spike. Personally, I think hammer is his worst move just because of how situational it is. Kirby's forward smash is faster, has more range, and is safer than hammer. All hammer has is power. It can be a great shield punish but come on, this is Kirby here, when does he break shields? As for down smash, it's not great but not awful. It works for when you know the opponent will roll but you don't know which side they'll be on. It also sends at a nasty angle.
Look, is dair Kirby's best move? Probably not. But it has more purpose in my mind than the moves I listed. The moves I listed (outside of hammer, that's just not good) are not bad moves. I just don't see them as being as useful as Dair. Dair leads into grab, and at low percents grab has combos. Dair also has a long lasting spike hitbox, which makes it really good for edgeguarding. Edgeguarding is one of the few things Kirby does well, and dair is a large part of it.
Dylan Norman That’s why it’s much better than side soecial. Those people made no sense: Hammer flip better than dair? No way, hammer flip is far too situational
Raptor Boost is much worse than Falcon Punch... Falcon Punch is slow because it's very strong. That's what it's supposed to be. Falcon's Forward smash is slower to fully charge, has shorter range and i find it more punishable. And Raptor Boost leaves you more open to attacks if you miss, and it's not a viable recovery move either. Bc if you miss the ledge or an opponent offstage, you straight up die
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Kirby's worst move is actually... his neutral special after eating puff
I was about to comment that Kirby’s worst move IS rollout.
Kirby’s worst move is Dash attack
@@dannythetoonie4529 That killls!!
@@dannythetoonie4529 the dash is great wdym
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such an original joke
Such a original
@@darrest9808 It isn't?
@@ItsCosmoTewulf get a dictionary go to the s section and find the word sarcasm
As a Yoshi main, I was able to find ONE use for Egg Roll, and it’s only specifically against King Dedede and only when he’s specifically using Gordo Throw. When you use Egg Roll you can charge through the Gordo, hitting it back and hitting King Dedede as well.
That’s literally it
Except literally any decent move can do the same thing. I have a clip that is made up of Dedede firing of a Gordo in a 8 player Smash, where it proceeds to be reflected by Dark Samus Forward Air, Pichu Get Up Attack, of all things, and potentially Ridley Up Smash, which both hit Dedede, and increaced the intensity of the upwards momentum of the Gordo, I don’t know, the entire exchange was about 2 seconds long, and the Ridley/Gordo/Dedede exchange was less than 10 frames.
Frost Glader I think you missed my point here. I’m aware literally any move can reflect a Gordo. Egg Roll is special that it can both hit the Gordo back, and Dedede with the Egg Roll itself. All that aside Egg Roll is still a bad move
Just shield or parry
Aaron McCollum yeah, you can do that.
_But reflecting it is much more fun_
ProKobe 🎼 well the thing is your a Yoshi main and fuck Yoshi top 5 most annoying character no Yoshi mains deserve rights
Smash fact: if you start jiggly puffs rollout on stage builder ice, she can’t turn around.
Did you know that from PK Beats
bill bobs I did not, did he mention it?
I mean more bairs I guess
oh god
Same thing with inklings roller
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I'm gonna have to disagree with Samus' Homing Missile and say that Samus' worst move would be her two hit jab as not only isn't the jab not very strong, it can't even combo into the 2nd part of the jab making it very punishable meaning that only the 1st part of jab, that deals a measly 3.6% damage, is going to be even at all useful but even then, using literally any other move is going to be much better than Samus' jab. At least you can pressure with the Homing Missile.
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StickMaster500 yes
Ok boomer
I'd disagree. Jab at least is a good mix up option into grab if you only jab 1, while I've never seen homing missile actually do jack squat in my year of playing elite smash except slightly annoy me.
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Little Z: *bursts through the wall with the Wario outfit on* you rang?
Every character is one of my best characters
chaotic crimson so your main is random?
TuRtZ4LiFe yeah, it’s one of my best characters
Well actually
He's one of my best characters
Everyone except falco
"Kirby doesn't really have a bad move."
Gee I wonder why.
because in triple deluxe,he is supersain
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In KSA Kirby’s the reincarnation of the (true) destroyer of worlds. You really went for KTD?
Because he is a jack of all trades that's supposed to be for beginers
jay quickblade Hohoho! You watched the RelaxAlax video too?
@@adomali87yearsago.71 yeah and being honest giving kirby an outright bad or non-useful move would kind of be a dick move on sakurai's end
As kirby is for beginers in a way
13:10 Falco's down smash on the other hand is actually his best move. There's this combo you can do by doing his down taunt and then press down smash
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@@mbenathn wow. You totally missed the entire joke
@@Hylton_Hotelz that's the joke
@@Hylton_Hotelz that… is the joke. lmao.
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“But Kirby, how is your dair your worst move? It’s so good!”
“That’s my secret, Cap. I don’t have any bad moves.”
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Yeah but no, kirby is genuinely ass and shit
1: this is in comparison to the rest of his kit
2: This is Smash Ultimate. almost everyone except mac is usable
@@gypsysprite4824 Mac is usable. Just if this was Street Fighter not Smash Bros.
Little Mac is god on KoF stadium
His moves are neither good or bad, just eh.
Every characters worst moves
*Little mac aerials have entered the chat*
In fact, I would say that Lil Mac hasn't very bad aerials... Just on the wrong character.
But still, his Bair is horrid.
@@aurelionsolofficial Neutral Air works for combos... only neutral...
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an exception might be made with little mac, considering the fact that his aerials are supposed to be bad. it would be more interesting to see unintentionally bad moves
@@Underworlder5 So neutral b then?
12:58 "because Pichu fliesoff at the speed of light-"
Me: "... ning"
You lost me at "has characters". That can't be true, I won't belive it
wait till you find out there's stages and music too
NO... NO... THATS IMPOSSIBLE
Wait till you realize it has controls
“Smash brothers has characters.” *He is speaking the language of the gods.*
Next you're going to tell me the Nintendo switch has games
SadWeedle Nah dude, Nintendo switch has movies. Duh
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“Bowser is a big boy”
He speaks the language of gods
“ Mario’s worst move is up tilt “
*cries in smash 4 mario
He mentioned how good it was in Sm4sh.
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@@wildberrysherbert3803 yes. We watched the video. Thank you for litterly nothing
@Blue Shy Guy I'm not but ok
Aiden Scovel who doesn’t
"Raptor boost is a close second because it is inconsistent as hell"
We got it boys raptor boost actually functions now
"i won't spend too much time on each character"
*20 minute video*
*part 1 of three*
The funny thing is: that is in fact spending not so much time on each character
Jigglypuff: ...........
I like longer videos :D
18:57 "Jigglypuff's Rollout goes at Mach 10" is a rediculous enough claim to be in the Pokédex. (Seriously, the writers of that thing just love Mach Speed and destroying vehicles.)
No getup attacks included
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Now my question is:
How the frick is Ganondorf able to do perfect split with no problem at all?
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He's a wizard
No way in hell kirby’s dair is worse than hammer flip
It's not even close
As a sad kirby main myself, I would say it is his jab. No joke I've never used it.
@@humbertovillarreal7108 How the hell is jab bad? Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean it's bad
@@jumble6820 the first hit had basically less range than PP
LBP tails gamebreaker yeah but it comes out on FRAME 2 and it does decent damage and knockback, far from a bad move, let alone the worst one.
“Luigis worst move is his side special”
Alpharad:See that’s where you’re wrong
I feel like luigis side special being luigis worst move contradicts what he kept saying at other parts of the video that these are the least useful moves Bc it’s useful as a recovery tool right
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It's either his worst or best move depending on luck.
@@luna-stargazer True that.
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I get the joke now: Kirby’s down air is actually his greatest tool.
That means that rollout the Jigglypuff’s best move. Thanks for the knowledge!
No actually it's not do not use rollout, it's garbage and has been since smash 1-here
guacamole just guacamole r/woooosh
@@ivanhui6051 of course somebody who missed a point of a joke in a different thread would be epicly dankly r slash wooshing someone
Dair is not his best tool up b on battlefield is
guacamole just guacamole lol
7.0.0 just made several things on this list down right wrong:
- Zelda's f-tilt is now so strong that the risk for throwing it out is much more worth is in a lot of situations. Her new worst move is probably f-smash? IDK what it would be but it's not f-tilt.
- Remember when Doc's down-tilt was his worst move? Now it's one of his best. Leads into combos and kill confirms into a lot of his moves. His new worst move is definitely up-tilt.
- Same thing with Young Link as with Doc. One of his worst moves is now one of his best.
Zelda's worst move is probably up Smash. It can never hit grounded characters unless they are huge and it isn't even that strong. Also people can kind of fall out of it.
He made the vid before the patch...
this video aged well
@@Jax_Two
It is still a good smash attack because it is hard to challenge from above and strong.
Zelda's f-tilt is now as strong Incineroar's making it the strongest.
*Peach’s* worst move is up tilt while *Daisy’s* worst move is side tilt
He is speaking the language of the gods
It would most likely have to do with their hitboxes
EMMA MISDOM Congrats you have found: *The* *Joke*
@@invasious ... they're the same
EMMA MISDOM First of all wrong their, Second of all they are the same and all changes are purely cosmetic.
4:25 There’s no way that Kirby down air is considered worse than hammer or rock, hammer in particular. the only thing I can think of for hammer is using it in the air on some1s shield for good shield damage (can’t even break full shield), but it’s probably the most predictable and worst setup of any shield break, and its the only actual use I could find. Zero chance d-air is the worst kirby move
I'm a Kirby main and was HIGH KEY confused how these dudes thought that Dair was worse than rock or hammer XD
these dudes trolled him there's no way
I legit don’t think I have ever inputted a side b in my entire time playing Kirby
@@Deadbush2003 same
I actually kinda love Side-B from an emotional standpoint but it's pretty useless in most situations. I love the good strong kills
"every character has a bad move"
me, a [insert character here] main: ???
Kirby
Worst part is people actually answered with a character, doing literally the exact thing you're mocking.
Lucario
@@ivanhui6051 my boy Lucario doesn't have bad moves
Yoshi
me who literally just presses random buttons: ah yes, i understand
Ikr, I will never understand how these people have such dedication in order to figure out every reaction to every scenario, at least for their main. It’s pretty respectable, honestly.
@@thepinkterror2907 it paids off w beautiful stylish combos which is sick, also they appear very intelligent
MaShEr
This sounds so much like my little sister (she plays Bayonetta), honestly it isn’t a bad strategy, I used to main Yoshi and would only spam random buttons, using this strategy I lost all my friends as I destroyed them with egg roll and ground pound, (they are sweaty with Kirby, game and watch and Captain Falcon)
I don’t know any combos, but I at least know what the moves do.
I feel like Kirbycord trolled you or something, I can’t imagine Hammer Flip or even Inhale getting better use than dair
*sigh*if only inhale was as big as bowser
No Dair really sucks and Hammer is good when your opponent is conered and that you have enough time to charge it
@@hugowax5197 have you play kirby before?
@@borjaarellano9966 I have 2000h in this game and I'm a Kirby main since Smash 4
Hammer isn't amazing obviously but it covers most get up options, have super armor and kills super early. Not a move you will use every match but when it works it's really good
Sorry for my english x)
Samus jab: Im not a joke anymore since he forgot about me yay.
smurftaz1 hold up a second, jab 1 is not actually her worst move
Sounds crazy, but let me explain. Everyone already knows that jab 1 infamously doesn’t connect into jab 2, but it actually has its uses. You can dash in the opposite direction and pivot fsmash or grab, depending on what the opponent does after being hit by jab 1. Obviously it’s not ideal, but better than homing missiles, which is a complete joke
So wouldn't that mean jab 2 is the worst? At least missiles can sort of apply pressure I guess.
rancorousGamer absolutely, I’ve seen some niche uses of homing missiles here and there, but it’s rare to ever see jab 2 in a high level tournament, pretty much serves only as a mix up
@@chrisnguyen2316 Yeah, jab 2 is definitely worse than homing missile
@@chrisnguyen2316 At least homing is costless annoyment, and being not great makes it a fair bit less predictable.
let’s be honest, some of you thought these moves were good at first.
isabelleeeee09 I admit it. I DID thinks some were good.
Don’t bully me but i thought rollout was good -_-
As a Link main, I have been using Dash attack as a kill tool for all of smash ultimate. Now I have to reteach myself to use forward tilt instead
As a lifelong Mario main, I still have Smash 4 up tilt engraved into my memory, so I use it occasionally. I still need to teach myself not to use it, but it's difficult after the reign of terror that it caused back in Smash 4.
i still refuse to believe Kirby's worst move is dair
Wow, never knew EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER has their own discord.
Copies dont
@@kylefarrell849 maybe some do, I saw a dark samus server in the list I think
@@leoleo4469 some
@@leoleo4469 or steve there
Smash ultimate is just _that_ popular.
There’s no way in hell some of these guys aren’t trolling
if they are then PJiggles will recognize it, he has common sense after all...
True
@J Z Dair is at least very close to the worst, if not straight up the worst, so i can see reasonings for it,
but he always asks for a specific reasoning behind it and sees is he agrees to it after that
@J Z easy combo starter and useful spike? Little range, slower than ganondorf dair, and such a weak spike that lots of characters can live through it. It seems really good against people who have no idea what's going on
Jake from State Farm It seems rlly good against characters with linear or bad recoveries. How would hammer flip be better?
8:16 never realized how sweet that uptilt animation is up close, Peach rolling her hand like that.
Honestly cannot see at all how Kirby’s down air is his worst move. Especially compared to his near useless side special
Kirby discord is made up of people dumb enough to main Kirby
I think they were just trolling him
It’s only effective as a powerful shield break punish, but it’s held back by it’s extremely mediocre frame data
Down B is effective at escaping juggles, but if it gets read, you’ll be left open to grabs and exiting the Stone leaves a gap for Kirby to be punished.
Strong but risky
@@AeroLeaf4oh. thanks for informing me!
PersonFromEscuela ... or maybe we don’t really care how good he is and want to play a character based on if we enjoy them?
"Every character has at least 1 bad move", pikachu left
lok
"I'm trying to get this out before the end of the year"
Pjiggles - 12/18/19
*18/12/19
@@RandomStando no people write the date differently
@@abowlofguacamole8558 no
DogeSmash ` yes
@@hypnobagels8634 no
How is Kirby Dair worse than hammer
No one uses the hammer and Dair is a good edge guarding option as well as a combo move and a follow up off f throw
same
F-throw>Dair isn't true unless the opponent DIs in.
Bruh, those Kirby mains in the Kirby discord are dumb lol
Conn Toons Dair is frame 18 & doesn’t true combo into anything.
@@Account-1536 it comboes into up tilt and it spikes with a ligering hitbox. its clearly better than side b
“Pikachu shouldn’t jab lock”
Have you seen Esam?
Disregard ESAM if you ever try and play pika it can only lead to depression and feelings of inadequacy
Exactly
I know this has already been brought up, but man, I just can't agree with Samus's Homing Missile being worse than Jab 2. Jab 2 has such bad frame data that most characters can literally get hit by Jab 1 and then spot-dodge, shield, or even *hit you back* before Jab 2 connects. The best thing you can do probably 95% of the time after Jab 1 is to run away and throw out something to mix your opponent up. Hell, AFAIK, it's the only move in Smash that's so bad *the in-game tips tell you not to use it*.
While homing missile isn't great, you can use it to close off some approaches, in some tech situations, to condition jumps, etc., in situations where committing charged shot to it is prohibitive. It doesn't connect often, but conditioning the reaction to Missile and closing off options with a low-commitment move is still really useful in a lot of situations.
Guys, prepare for the “Who’s watching this in 2020?” comments. We are all scared
I agree. Very scary.
Yes.
Oh god, I’m not ready
We need an army to combat this new threat
AppleCubing26
My 18th Birthday is on that year!
Luigi's worst move is his taunt
Never mind, It Spikes
"Smash Bros has characters. And characters have moves."
Yes, yes, the ground is indeed made of ground.
No pun intended
Hmmm, Ys, the floor here is made out of floor
As a Kirby main myself, I can tell you that his down air is a really best move. It’s consistent, and useful when you’re in the air. Hammer is pretty useless, too slow, and has to be charged to do a lot of damage, even against a weak character. You’re better off using side air.
Ah, so you're in that phase of playing kirby
@@J4red498 kirby dair is a free spike
Yep! ,as a Kirby main hammer even tho it applies pressure against less experienced players it can easily be countered and theres probably always a better option Dair is just really good against characters like Duck Hunt and (maybe haven't tried) villager and combos into.almost every one of kirbys moves so theres no reason to say its kirbys worst
I main kirby and I think that either rock or hammer is his worst as hammer is easily countered by any hit and it damages you over time and rock can be countered with a grab. They both are deadly against weaker players though.
@@J4red498 wdym mostly all pro players agree that kirby dair is one of his best moves being xo considered one of the best spikes in the game
It’s D-air for Corrin. On stage, it deals decent damage and it’s range is an alright combo breaker, but off stage, it’s nearly unsurvivable, and it’s useless when it comes to your actual opponent.
thanks to the recent up special buff, you can barely survive a full hop dair off stage. still not a good option tho.
Yep, don't spike 😢
@@Klexium it can spike, you just have to hit the opponent way down... Or getting the opponent to atleast 160 or so percent.....
The day has finally come, I've been waiting for months since I missed most of the livestream
As a kirby main and a kirby dair advocate, that is absolutely my favorite move he has. Them bishes cray.
Also, I love edgeguarding with PK flash.
Perhaps I don’t know how to play my mains 🤔
xXBlackKZoruaXx
Ur a low level player so it doesnt really matter lol
your playing find, just know that up b ness s a wiser decision
Kirby's dair is hands down the worst spike in the game. It fails to kills at 90% against the LIGHTEST CHARACTERS IN THE GAME, whereas literally every other spike cleanly kills at 50% or lower. It's slower than ganons dair, and has now where near as much knockback, this move sucks ass.
Kirby's worst move is neutral b against puuf
Yeah puff can easily make it back from Kirby's swallow-cide
"Don't quote me on that."
-PJiggles, 2019
""Don't quote me on that."
-PJiggles, 2019"
-Bone storage, 2019
Ah I see what u did there. Nice one
“Don’t quote me on that.”
-Pjiggles, 2019
-Bone Storage, 2019
-hhh hhh, 2019
"don't quote me on that."
-Pjiggles, 2019
-Bone storage, 2019
-hhh hhh, 2020
-Cade-O Potato
@@stoked-6996 "you miss 100% of the shots you dont take" -wayne gretsky -Michael Scott
See time stamp 15:40.
“Yes! He’ll definitely cover G&W”
“lets stop here for now”
*Sad Beeping noise*
I as a kirby main
Disagree with the d-air thing hammer flip would be a good move if the charge had super armor but when not fully charged its decent
Alexander Maenza with one of the custom moves in smash 4 it can literally GET super armor
2:20 DK’s down smash isn’t meant to kill, it’s meant to trap people who roll too much.
"The Geno trailer that we're definitely gonna show there, right?"
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@@angrychicken7097 lol thanks
Oh yes! I can't believe they're bringing a game on the ps2 again! Such a nostalgic feeling to bring back this old console for a game with my favorite actor VIN DIESEL
"Its not like young like has trouble killing"
what?
thats legit his only weakness.
Also Samus jab literally doesn't work, and calling Kirby's d-air bad is blasphemous
Young like
Forward Air and Up Special at 80% would like to have a word with you, and so would I since they've killed me at lower percentages
Young like
Aiden Schwenger I agree with all these, but I must add that he insulted the mighty link dash attack
Old separate
7:03 Falcon's worst move is Falcon Punch
This is more heartbreaking than Smash Ultimate not winning GOTY at the Game Awards
Nah, his dash is.
Lumka M r/whoosh
@@H1ghland1 ?
Christopher Moon technically, I agree with Pjiggles, but really, come on, that’s cheating.
Excluding hype moves faclon's down tilt because it's slower than his forward tilt and does't start combo's and his f tilt is just a better poking tool
7:23
Lucina: ah what a nice day today, I’ll take a walk
Caption falcon: get over you little-
I HEAVILY disagree with the samus’ homing missile being their worst move. I’m even tempted to say that if you’re basing the move on it’s knock back, even partially, you’re using or thinking if the move’s uses entirely wrong.
That low knock back is precisely WHY I believe it is a good move, it reliably sets up into several combos, be it a fair , zair, tether grab, or charge shot, and some times even dash attack if you’re close enough.
Sure the move doesn’t track the best, but even then, the fact it tracks at all makes it PHENOMENAL for pressure and zoning, especially when mixing in the other missile, charge shot, and zairs.
Her worst move would most definitely be her jab combo. While first hit jab is a surprisingly decent “get off me” attack/panic option, the second hit will almost never connect. And while it is true second hit jab has other uses (such as 2 framing and hitting people hanging on ledge) in many circumstances other tools in her kit (full charge shot, d-tilt, d-smash will be a more reliable option anyways.) second hit jab, in my opinion, adds nothing to their kits outside of offering a little mix up here and there.
Homing missile is exponentially better than second hit jab, and this isn’t even touching on the mix up potential being able to switch between the two missiles offers.
Not to mention homing missile can offer amazing shield pressure when followed up by a tether grab, or weak charge shot
6.3m GSP, huge disagreement. Samus's jab is a very good conditioning tool, and it's fast enough to be a safe move to just throw out and maintain pressure. Jab1 can combo into Jab2 if you D-special->Jab, as the bomb will explode to create hitstun after jab1. D-special also makes it safe if they shield jab1, and leads into a grab, charge shot(shield break after jab1+bomb), or a shorthop d-air mixup whether they shield the bomb or not. D-special protects you from their out of shield options as well, as many characters like to use tether grabs or jabs out of shield against samus's jab1. As the bomb explodes, you're given an opportunity for an easy grab, shorthop n-air or dragdown up-air. It's like a pseudo neutral reset in close quarter fights where Samus tends to struggle. Don't get me wrong, homing missile does great things, but I find that characters in smash ultimate are much better at getting past walls of projectiles, partially due to the directional air dodge
Jab is bad = No jab combo.
@@jordanbwalt Jab 2 is her worst move, not the Jab 1. It has basically no usages since the first hit doesn't combo into the second hit.
“Way stronger than rollout will ever be” wrong if it’s going down a slope it kills crazy early and I’ve done like 40% with it like that, but I know that slopes aren’t competitively viable but still.
Him getting tricked into nominating down air instead of the very obvious hammer for kirby was so funny
It’s fun to see how these have changed after buffs and nerfs. Dr mario dtilt now has a disgustingly powerful kill confirm as well as being an amazing combo starter now.
Next every Character’s worst moves [PATCHED]
As a Kirby main I can tell you with 100% certainty that down air is not Kirby’s worst move, I have no idea why the Kirby discord would say that. Kirby certainly has worst moves IMO, it’s certainly very consistent for me so I agree with your confusion
At least you can HIT dair!
lol
wait, ODYSSEY CENTRAL?!
“Hammer is legit better than dair”
- Someone in the Kirby Discord.
I’m sorry, but you need your head to be examined.
Yea Dair is better than hammer but hammer is def not worst.
@@muzankibutsuji8919 how so in your opinion?
@@theboi5584 If you can charge in the air, you can be a surprise from the skies.
I dont know how Samus' worst wasnt her jab. It's a two-hit jab where the first hit doesnt even combo into the second hit (or anything else), and it only does 3.6% damage. The homing missiles can at least add some ranged pressure in some situations
15:51 people on fullscreen: what you pointing at...?
PJiggles: Donkey Kong's worst attack is his downward Smash attack
*Hard DK* : *amiibo kong noises*
17:03 that physically hurts. Or at least it _would_ if it had an actual hitbox!
challange: win an online smash battle using only your worst attack
Already done. I have won using only byleth down b
Piranha Plant main here, no... just no.
5:15 Pikachu’s jab lock is actually great, and is far better than just using a dash attack
Edit: At the Pichu part, yes Pika’s fsmash has a sour spot, but good players will almost always land the sweet spot
Agreed. Pikachu's ground speed and dash distance makes it incredibly easy to sweet spot fsmash. Even on a sour spot, it turns into some nice 50/50 scenarios
I agree It could lead into combos and force the opponent to tech or do another option or else they die or get 20-30 percent dealt into them.
It also completely resets his stale counter which I think is arguably the best use of jab
Arrow points at "(part 1/3)"
Me: What is this *sorcery*
If you disagree that’s completely fine cuz this my opinion,
I really disagree with Kirby’s (I’m a Kirby main) as dair is my most used and trustworthy move. It’s a great combo starter, ok off stage pressure, spikes and is almost impossible to punish on stage because when you land it’s end lag is canceled. It was very hard deciding because all of his moves aren’t really worst than the others but if I had to choose it would probably be down smash. This is because it’s is basically the same as forward or back smash but less powerful and has less range. This is only helpful if you can’t read your opponent and you don’t know which side they’ll be on but if you can read the opponent which if your at a decent level or played the game for a while should be pretty easy. I still don’t know for sure but this is all just from experience but I really don’t think down air is the worst.
Dair is extremely possible to punish on stage, it's -12 on shield, has ridiculously high startup, and it has 16 frames of landing lag if you don't autocancel it. Downsmash, while laggy, is disjointed, his fastest smash attack, 2frames, tech chase traps, and sends at a horrible angle for the opponent. Meanwhile, dair doesn't even do what it's supposed to do: start combos. The landing hit advantage is horrendous on almost every character and it can be SDI'd out of easily, or just avoided on reaction by any competent player. It might seem like a good move at lower levels of online play but you will get punished for even throwing the move out in neutral at high levels of play.
James Truitt very true, I do agree with the offstage end lag dreadful and the start up is pretty trash but I guess it’s different for everyone I find it hard for my opponents to punish but probably because I use it very safely so it probably is but I find it very helpful but then that probably just comes down to play style and opinions. In my set I rarely use down because for me it isn’t that reliable and I do sometimes use it because of the disjoint but I just prefer forward or back but then again it’s impossible to tell witch move is the worst in Kirby’s move set 😅
@@will-i-am9297 Glad to see that some people are open to this stuff. Some people just keep shouting that dair is really good even though it's not.
Watch Jungleboy's new video on why Dair isn't good
A witch: *has broken moves*
Jigglypuff's moves: *JIGGLYPUFF* also how is sleeping the most effective move in smash history???
I've seen all of the comments and responses on how Kirby's Side B is actually better than his Down Air and
I still can't see it
Regardless of if they are or not, it really *feels* like the Kirby discord was trolling
They were not trolling. Dair is slow, has no true follow ups if the opponent can SDI, has a terrible spike, is not safe on shield, and is a terrible landing option. Side B can ledge trap, shield break, shield break punish, and catch certain recoveries.
I know they're not trolling, it just doesn't sound right
To each their own, I'm still gonna think down air is better but it's not fact or anything, I'm not a Kirby main so it ain't in my ballpark
@@WafflesDaPancake Heh, yeah. Kirby is just very underrepresented in top level play, so people don't really know much about the character. It's really funny when non-Kirby users learn that dair is a bad move, stone and hammer flip have uses, and the Palutena Kirby matchup is even (some people are starting to think it's winning for Kirby).
Pikachu's jab is actually one of his better moves, due to every single hit of jab taking up a spot in the 'staling counter.' I suggest watching esam's video where he ranks all of Pikachu's moves for more details.
"I'm trying to get part 2 out by the end of the year" -- Pjiggles, 2019
What
what
what
End of the decade actually
Go ahead and put me on r/explainingthejoke or whatever but it’s because PJiggles said not to quote him after delivering that line
Bowser's worst move is definitely dash attack let's be honest. What no one seems to realize is that a down angled forward tilt wont reach down far enough on stages with angled edges like lylatt and down tilt will which makes it useful on those stages. Dash attack is just a bad turnaround canceled forward tilt.
PK flash in Ultimate funny enough is the the best it's been
I tend to use Flash to bait out an air dodge, then punish with Up Smash
SpicyTuna ok
SpicyTuna ok
Similar to Ganon's up tilt in Ultimate, best it's been, still awful
dair is absolutely not Kirby's worst move, it's a combo starter, a kill confirm, a spike and has a quite generous hitbox for how small kirby is, hammer flip on the other side is similar to falcon punch in the way that it isn't a viable attack for how long it takes to land, not only that but you can easily be punished for it
Taken directly from Ice_killer 305
Hammer is a bit better and with how dair is, being frame 18, inconsistent, when offstage can even get YOU killed, and overall isn't the best kind of move to just throw out
in this clip, a Kirby used dair offstage like normal but DIED for it
clips.twitch.tv/AnimatedTallHabaneroNotATK
When we were asked what was the worst move we all made sure to give the right answer, we weren't trolling anyone, Dair is NOT our best move, is it good? its meh but Hammer can
- ledgetrap (if fully charged, has super armor frames 11-17)
- used for catching jumps (even off stage which will net you more kills earlier than dair will on most occasions)
- the optimal shieldbreak punish (this is obvious)
- can be used to get a shieldbreak (Although Kirby doesn't have any true shieldbreak set ups in this game, hammer can be used if someone is caught shielding too much
I ENCOURAGE you to join the Kirby Discord and to look into the #metagame channel as we are showing why dair isn't as good as people say
Dair's only usage is to spike linear recoveries offstage without hitboxes. Even so, it doesn't spike till 120. For down airs, it's among the worst in the game.
@@chesslo2158 ok but why do professional kirby players at tournaments use dair more than hammer then if dair is apparently worse than hammer?
I have found 1 use for hammer and that’s edge guarding. It’s still not amazing though, because you have to use it from the stage.
i guess but none of those examples could really be used practically in a match vs dair often being used to close out stocks and being kirby's main combo starter along with forward throw
"Every character's gotta have at least one move that isn't good, right?"
*Weaklings, the lot of you*
12:07 I don't know if the recent patches changed Docs worst move, but from my experiences, Down Tilt is Docs best tilt. It's a good combo set up as it can lead into itself once or twice then a grab. For me, one down tilt can lead into 40 to 50%.
changed doc a lot
watch part 3
I say Kirby neutral b, it's the worst, it sucks.
BURBUS BURBUS
Ayyyyy
Yeah until you play hero or Samus or shulk, kirbys neutral b is actually huge for some matchups and can really fuck over people with bad recoveries
@@olivia8080 r/wooosh
Get Noob wooshed so hard holy shit
Unless your opponent is Shulk, of course.
"Characters have moves"
well duh
Lots of moves
Pavo Nintendo Switch has games
"The switch has games"
Anonymous Ally Nintendo Switch has games
switch is exising
As a Kirby main, down air is not his worst move. I would say that grounded hammer or down smash is worse. Also, flurry attack I dont use as much, if I do use it. I dont think the Kirby discord is right (obviously that's my opinion).
Only a few people said that. Most people disagreed (including me).
18:05 plus If your facing the wrong direction, you get a one way trip into the blast zone
Rollout is an amazing move! I've lost count on how many times it has saved me!
As a pikachu main id say, like Kirby, he has no bad move, jab is just more situational.
YAY A PIKACHU MAIN
Yeah, I don’t think jab is bad for jab resets. It’s not a terrible move.
So I agree.
Dair is wayyyyy more useful than hammer. Its integral to low percents combos, some of which put your opponent off stage, leads into side tilt or up tilt, spikes, and cancels if performed low enough to the ground. If you managed to hit someone with hammer there were likely better, more safe options you could have used instead.
i know right
It's almoat like those kirby mains didn't really know what they were talking about, and just wanted to either troll Jiggly or lie to him to shittalk dair.
dude, I dair up-tilt people so much
it has a lot of start up making it kinda bad for low percent combos unless ur opponent is retarded and doesnt know how to move or shield or roll or spot dodge.
@@RampagingFlippy030 you realize those are some of the best players on there he was talking to right?
Rollout is so bad, the SmashWiki page for Rollout wasn't updated for Ultimate until April 2023.
Then somebody vandalized the Rollout page, and nobody noticed for three more weeks.
Kirby's is the side special. Hands down, hammer
no I think it’s stone because stone is the most situational move kirby has
@@smugsuperoof4314 an argument could be made for either I suppose. Stone is situational, but so is hammer. I just think that hammer has better alternatives in almost any situation
At least hammer is a good shield break punish
@@pizzawonderer5024 Even then you could just f-throw-down-air and kill your opponent at like 10%
PJiggles: The Captain Falcon worst move is Falcon Punch
Me: *Sad noises*
Kirby mains are really trying to convince me that dair is worse than down-smash, down special, hammer, and up-air? C'mon, dair is one of his best moves...
Join the kirby discord and ask for yourself
@@neptunix8165 I know it's not a bad move, but I don't think it as good as Dair. Dair has more and better uses.
Up air got buffed and down special can edge-guard decently enough, so they're okay. As someone who mains Kirby, I think they picked dair because it comes out on frame 18 (for reference Ganondorf's dair is frame 16), is a weak kill move against any character with a good recovery, and if you fast fall you won't get the last hit which is the spike.
Personally, I think hammer is his worst move just because of how situational it is. Kirby's forward smash is faster, has more range, and is safer than hammer. All hammer has is power. It can be a great shield punish but come on, this is Kirby here, when does he break shields?
As for down smash, it's not great but not awful. It works for when you know the opponent will roll but you don't know which side they'll be on. It also sends at a nasty angle.
Look, is dair Kirby's best move? Probably not. But it has more purpose in my mind than the moves I listed. The moves I listed (outside of hammer, that's just not good) are not bad moves. I just don't see them as being as useful as Dair.
Dair leads into grab, and at low percents grab has combos. Dair also has a long lasting spike hitbox, which makes it really good for edgeguarding. Edgeguarding is one of the few things Kirby does well, and dair is a large part of it.
Dylan Norman That’s why it’s much better than side soecial. Those people made no sense: Hammer flip better than dair? No way, hammer flip is far too situational
18:18
Don't remember too much about Smash 4, but if you can't control the move why did that Puff look like it was TRYING to miss the stage
5:09 ESAM pops his head in -- "ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT"
I’m a Kirby main and legit I have no clue how they said that d-air is the worst. I don’t care that this is a year late.
I’m in the Kirby discord and didn’t expect it to be dair (I always use Dair)
Raptor Boost is much worse than Falcon Punch... Falcon Punch is slow because it's very strong. That's what it's supposed to be. Falcon's Forward smash is slower to fully charge, has shorter range and i find it more punishable. And Raptor Boost leaves you more open to attacks if you miss, and it's not a viable recovery move either. Bc if you miss the ledge or an opponent offstage, you straight up die