Ranking ALL 32 NFL head coaches! Is Minnesota Vikings' Kevin O'Connell a top-10 NFL coach?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Mackey and Judd rank all 32 NFL head coaches in an experiment to find out where Minnesota Vikings head man Kevin O'Connell lands!
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I love KOC but #11 is to high right now
Spoiler alert
Yeah I agree, I would take Tomlin, Pedersen, even stefanski over KO, I like him but no chance he should be this high yet
The #11 coach wont tush push with a reciever that is smaller then taylor swift. True story bro. Lmfao
Also I don’t love Zac Taylor but buddy had a similar 2023 but won two more games, and has been to the Super Bowl
This list lmao. You cant have koc at 11 after watching mullens tush push twice in a row with powell
Oh the Blonde Policition deserves to be #1 for those tush pushes. Who would have ever thought of that? Elite!
Every coach has bad moments. Ngl those tush pushes pissed me off too and had I considered this immediately after then I'd probably agree with you. But the best time for something like this is right now while considering the season as a whole and not riding any highs or lows. He started out with a 13-4 record and probably gets past the Giants with a competent defensive coordinator. Last year was just a bad season all around but KOC definitely shows promise. 5 years from now KOC could be a top 5 HC contingent upon a few things
No. He hasn’t done anything yet. Coach a SB contender, make it to an NFC Championship game. Even get a contract extension and survive as a HC for 5 years.
He is young and promising. A tier 3 guy in that 15-25 range.
They asked for Top 10 not top 3 or 5. You’re telling me there’s 10 guys with better resume than KOC ?
@@cinematicopinions6149please give me his resume tell me what he did as offensive coordinator in Los Angeles
@@cinematicopinions6149 What has KOC done in this league that makes you think he has an amazing resume lol? Besides fetching coffee for Sean McVay. He never even called plays until he got to the Vikings, and we've all seen how well he's doing there. Not a single QB he's touched has ever amounted to anything, or even improved beyond what they were, going back to when he was a QB coach. He's somehow a worse game manager than Zimmer, and somehow more conservative.
@@Tbass-yy8uc won a super bowl bruh 😂
@@purplepainforums He worked with McVay and Shanahan. Won a super bowl with McVay and made Kirk Cousins, who was a career mid QB, into a top 10 maybe even top 7 QB. Won 2 games with fuckin josh dobbs, and almost made the playoffs without his starting QB for the entire second half of the season
We should rank the top sound effects on Phil’s board.
Make this a snake draft.
1) wave the flag
2) football (football) football
3) the nfl on cbs chimes while he does a Kenny Albert impersonation
4) breaking news
5) I wanna mock
6) the new bit they do “red zone” or whatever. It’s just a qb cadence
I know I’m missing a bunch here help me out
KOC is too high, I’d take Tomlin over him. Tomlin is doing more with less talent than KOC is doing with all the talent. KOC needs a running game still.
Sorry, that was indeed a Homer choice. KOC is middle of the pack until they win a playoff game.
KOC is like 20 at best
Yeah KOC has done nothing so far to warrant that high of a pick. He belongs in the 20's until he does something
He can't call plays he refuses to run the ball gets out coached in, in game adjustments every game. Top 10 my balls
What young QB has KOC whispered to relevance?
Shhh, it's a whisper😜 nobody can hear about it 🥶💩
The only evidence they seem to have, or ever point to, is Kirk's 4th quarter comebacks in 2022. You know, all the 4th quarter CB's he needed because Kirk and the offense disappeared for the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters. Statistically 2022 was one of Kirk's worst years as a starter. Otherwise yeah he's never developed anyone.
@@albertdraves7584 😂 Awesome!
Or old one?
@@purplepainforumslove to hate huh
I knew y'all were going to do coaching Rankings yesterday when I was watching write that down and when the guest mentioned Kevin O'Connell being a top 15 coach. I seen Phil's face and I could tell in that moment he got the Idea of the Coaching Rankings 😁
I would say that is pretty fair given what we know right now. Love you put KOC up there, and I'm with you. Still hoping and believing. We will know soon. Thanks for the hard work and putting it out there fearlessly!
Good grief, Phil. You use stats and historic performance to justify all of your HC rankings (as you should) until you get to KOC. His rank is instead based on a "gut feeling"? Fail.
I despise Phil's "bin" method of ranking things.
Just go 32-1. His approach of trying to group them by another category at the same time is completely nonsensical.
That's what I thought, why would all the Super Bowl coaches be ranked together, and then all the young QB whisperers ranked together and ahead of the Super Bowl coaches? The "Better than people give them credit for" bin really made no sense. This is your list Phil, so why do you rank them so low if you yourself think they're better? Some of those guys are better than KOC but they're 3 bins lower. KOC belongs in the "hasn't proven jack squat and people give him too much credit" bin.
O’connell should be down with dabbol. The idea of having him ahead of Tomlin is comical.
He’s number 20 on my list
I think with our experience having an offensive minded coach is way better because it is heavily favored and defense is less likely to get poached.
Hot take: we overrate Tomlin. I get that never having a losing season is an impressive accomplishment, but Tomlin has consistently wasted Hall of Fame talent and was carried to his Super Bowls by the previous regime’s players. Listen to any Steelers fan and they will tell you that Tomlin isn’t as good of coach that he’s nationally made out to be. Vikings fans roundly criticized KOC hiring Ed Donatell, but at least he quickly realized his mistake. Tomlin has hired terrible OC after terrible OC and keeps them on for multiple years.
@@drewengel7073 so how do we measure coach success if we don’t go by wins, playoff performance and SBs? You can also argue KOC is wasting offensive talent
@@drewengel7073 KOC hasn’t had a top 5 offense and yet he’s made it more pass heavy which should’ve helped him. Meanwhile both Kubs and Steph got the Vikings offense to being top 5 on 2 seperate occasions
You should definitely rank the aesthetic of each NFL team! Seems like a fun ranking with lots of different opinions.
McCarthy over Tomlin??? Really? Yikes.
Yes, Tomlin hasn't done anything since he won a SB with Bill Cowhers roster 16 years ago, and he pretty much wasted all of Big Bens career. McCarthy builds his own thing. The only thing Tomlin has been known for the past 5 years is, "hey, he managed to finish .500 again".
I don’t think Tomlin is that great. Mostly a middle of the road guy winning a SB early with previous team’s success not him.
I don't even understand these bins. "Kiss the Super Bowl ring" bin, and "Young QB Whisperers" bin? The Young QB Whisperer bin is supposed to be better? Then the "Better than people give them credit for" bin is 3 bins lower than KOC's bin? A guy who has proven absolutely nothing, and gets way more credit than he deserves? That's the bin KOC should be in, "Hasn't proven anything but people still think he's amazing for some reason" bin, or the "Doesn't seem to know what he's doing on offense but is still considered an offensive guru" bin, or maybe even the "Doesn't know how to design a screen play" bin, which would be below the "Better than people give them credit for" bin.
With exactly what player was he gonna run a bunch of screens with last year. It's about your personel lol. Koc has called dumb plays no doubt. He also called brilliant drives so. He's coached for 2 years and yall are on him like he's been costing us the superbowl for 10 years
KOC talks a good game and no doubt he's articulate and seems like a decent guy. But so was Kurt Cousin's...his first year he got extremely lucky...last year he was average.....the jury still out...Kwesi had a terrible 22 draft....and really hasn't landed any big name free agents....If McCarthy pans out that's great...But after watching McCarthy throw the first pitch for a Twin's game....OMG you would think a 20 year old who has played sports his whole life could at least throw it in range of the catcher.....I'm still LMAO
This list needs to go to the O-Line committee. I'd love to hear how Sirles and Boone would rank them
Stefanski is better the KOC. Taylor is better than KOC.
No. Hasnt won a playoff game and 1 playoff appearance
Kirt Cousins special
@phreakerbythespeaker9902 True. But the coach is apart of that
@Big_Bake No coach has ever lead Kirt to a championship at any level
Mackey not understanding the concept of ordinal level data breaks my soul.
You'd have KOC at 15 at the HIGHEST if you weren't a Viking fan.
Not yet the first five games of last year was horrible and they were his. You say whatever you want the team in training Camp was healthy and ready and he didn’t train him so they came into the regular season behind and played like it.
He’s a good coach. He’s a good offensive of mind for sure. We’ll see if he learns no reason not to.
If you believe that a coach that led the Vikings to their first double digit loss season in ten seasons is the 11th best coach in the NFL, you should look for a blue-light special on coffins , because much agrin to your show's motto " Before I Die", the " BEFORE" part ain't happening 😮
Dobbs- Mullens- Hall
For 9 games
@@nortonbrandon6176yes and Mr offensive genius could have changed his offense to their styles of football. He is a sham
@Tbass-yy8uc in the middle of the season. Just flip the playback upside down and teach 10 guys an entire new offense to fit 1 guy.Yeah .....OK.
He elevated all 3 of thise guy's to the top of their potential, which is bottom of the back ups tier.
KOC has his flaws, more than any his lack of running the ball effectively but, he is in the top half of the leagues as a coach 11- 15 ....your are splitting hairs.
But the man is not a shame
@@nortonbrandon6176losing with backups is still losing and not a justification to being higher ranked as a head coach.
@@nortonbrandon6176 What's your point? He started 1-4 when everyone was healthy. The season was already over before the backups played. His coaching and decision making single handedly cost the Vikings at least 4 wins.
No hate to stefanski but it’s not like Cleveland has done anything. He’s been stability for Cleveland rather than really good in my opinion
Dude you got Taylor way too low and Bowles way too high. And Steichen over Taylor after one season in what could be a fluky season? Weird list.
The Fact that KOC got an A+ from his players, only one of 2 head coaches in the league, starves my point.
KOC a top 10 coach right now.....no. That said, I think his ceiling is pretty high. He had an inaugural season where everything fell into place perfectly, and a sophomore season that saw major injuries to his best player and starting QB. I thought KOC made more in-game coaching mistakes in year 2, but he also moved on from Donatell quickly and bringing in Flores was a great hire. Players clearly like him, but the best coaches aren't necessarily the most well liked. The Bill Belichick and the Pete Carroll approaches can both work. I think KOC has a chance to be very good and maybe better than that.
You are what your record says you are.
Not sure if this has already been thrown out but could you do a ranking of the best backups for all 32 teams?
10-7 this year then, yes. Can’t be top 10 off of 2 years!!
Man, it's the slog slow season time now. Ready for the season to start so sports dad can make fresh pie charts of blame because there's going to be a lot this year.
I am not even at the point where you start but I already know you guys wont put KOC in your Top 10 and that is ridiculous. He is Top 5 ATLEAST. I think he is Top 3.
Hard to see a coach with a .588 win percentage, and honestly that seems high after last year. Local media needs to back off all the hero worshipping of KOC, and worse KAM until they actually prove something. You may want to reassess after they end up fourth in division this year.
If he is, the NFL is eff’d. He’s not even a Zimmer (yet or at all).
1. Reid
2. Tomlin
3. McVay
4. Harbaugh
5. Peyton
6. Pederson
7. Shanahan
8. Taylor
9. Sirianni
10. LaFleur
And I’m not even including Stefanski, Bowles, Ryans, McDermott, Quinn, McCarthy McDaniel, Harbaugh or Daboll who are all better than KOC. KOC may be top 20, but that isn’t saying much considering the only coaches below him are either first year or coaches that have failed to live up to expectations.
Tomlin is the HC equivalent of Kirk Cousins, a perpetual pull towards mediocrity. Peyton and Pederson have both had complete trainwrecks that presided over, which were their fault. Taylor and McCarthy are carried by great QBs, but Taylor has some promise. Both Pederson and Sirianni just oversaw two of the worst season collapses in NFL history. Quinn is a choke artist; 28-3 did happen under his watch. McDaniel doesn't know how to coach a full season. Bowles had his disastrous Jets tenure and won the NFC South. Daboll had one good year, and unlike KOC, he can't blame bad luck for his problems.
My list to KOC would be:
1. Reid
2. Shanahan
3. Jim Harbaugh
4. McDermott
5. McVay (2022 happened)
6. LaFleur
7. Dan Campbell
8. John Harbaugh (most fluid placement)
9. Tomlin
10. Sirianni
11. Taylor
12. Stefanski
13. Ryans (only one season, or he would be higher)
14. KOC
@@drewengel7073 Tomlin has been to 2 super bowls and has won 1 plus he’s never had a losing season. Kirk has had losing seasons and only 1 playoff win overall. Way completely different
@@drewengel7073 these coaches are ranked because of their accomplishments
Mackey had made A LOT of bad lists. This is by far the worst. COTY at 16? 😂😂😂
Snake Draft idea. 4 Rounds:
QB
Head Coach
OC
DC
Whos leadership group is best?
Maybe #25.
Phil’s bias towards Jim Harbaugh is quite funny
But overall, it wasn’t a bad list, some things I disagree with but not bad overall
Nope. Average at Best.
He's not even close to top ten.
tomlin at 13??
Yes, but probably 10th
Mackey is clueless when it comes to his knowledge of the rest of the league
You get hired based on what you done in the past you keep your job based off what you do in the present.
Payton has bad for 3 years for sure, KOC has been outcoaching all of them the last 2 years simple as that
Lol wut? Did you even watch last year? He was thoroughly outcoached by Eberflus twice, and everyone else. Even outcoached by Payton. He almost lost to the Panthers when everyone was still healthy FFS. Outcoached by Brandon effing Staley for crying out loud.
@@purplepainforumsbro loses don't = out coached dumbass
Sean Payton is an excellent coach. I know Vikings hate him but you have him way too low. And McCarthy is the typical Jerry Jones puppet and to have him as high as you do is dumb. You're smarter than that Phil. I respect your stuff normally but this list is bad and not very objective.
Payton is no longer a good coach, much like Bellicheck, Payton was a good coach, but the game has passed him by.
Dolphins can't beat a winning team. I'd rank McDaniel lower
A coach? Lmfao. KOC a blonde politician stealing yo money. RIP sad Vikes fans.
Better then gambling dan Campbell who likes to cost them the game time amd time again😂
@@djangorestraind596 You mean they win more then they lose? He dont tush push with a WR that is smaller then taylor swift.... lmfao burn
@StillKeepOnLosing dan Campbell loves to blow games 🤣 and yea koc called a dumb play lol so doesn't every other coach that exists
@@djangorestraind596 You're clearly clueless
I sense a little “purple access journalism” going on here in regards to KOC
This list is comical I'm just half way through it and Mackey has Zach Taylor all the way down the list. KOC's name hasn't been mentioned yet like how?
fRiEnD oF tHe ShoW!!!!
As a Vikings/Bengals fan, I can tell you that KOC is way better than Zac Taylor. Zac is constantly bailed out by talent, mainly Joe Burrow, while KOC can make Josh Dobbs look like a good QB for two weeks.
Zac Taylor is a nobody getting coached by Joe burrow
Maybe win a playoff game first
Even Daboll has won a playoff game with Dan Jones and no weapons. KOC is like 20.
Playoff? Oh boy... Try being the favorite in 1 game this year lol. They're Underdogs in ALL 17 games... Even to a sad giants team lol
@@Selling-McCarthyism Lol I was going to say, a lot of the guys ranked below KOC have more playoff wins than him, and quite a few have been to Super Bowls. No home cooking here for "friend of the show" KOC.
@@StillKeepOnLosinghey look Trolly McTrollagain needs some attention.
Here boy, who’s a troller, yes you are. Such a little troller.
Sit up. Here’s your treat boy.
Pat pat pat.
@Selling-McCarthyism yea against ed donnashells defense
No he’s not
No YOU’RE not.
Mackey stanning for Trevor Lawrence is absolutely hilarious. Let’s be real he’s just not as good as everyone thought he was gonna be.
If Kirk Cousins is a gravitational pull toward .500, Justin Herbert is gravitational pull toward .500 jr, and Lawrence is gravitational pull toward .500 III.
Tlaw will be a top 5 qb lol your just a casual that saw the jags fall off after tlaw hurt his ankle. Bro is damn good lol don't be fooled
One of yalls worst rankings
I actually just got done watching KOC mic'ed up at training camp and you can really tell how well liked and respected he is by the players. I think he's the type of guy that can really lead this team to a lot of success
Blonde Policition.... What you expect? Your sad vikes are underdogs in ALL 17 games. Sad and true. RIP
Based on what? His ability to filibuster? His stubbornness/loyalty and inability to recognize talent single handedly cost the Vikings at least 4 wins last year. His sawftness is going to lead the team to a lot of unnecessary failure.
Worst list I ever seen makes no sense
Terrible list. Super homer ranking. KOC has won zero playoff games and the 13 win season is among the most fraudulent seasons in the last 10 years at a minimum.
What’s your list?
It’s true bad list
@@joebrown4681 I agree with Judd. More around 14-15
My jaw hit the floor when I found out Kevin Stefanski was listed a worse coach than KOC!
@@Matthewpjacobs1 Definitely I bit low for Stefanski.
1. Andy Reid
2. Sean McVay
3. John Harbaugh
4. Mike Tomlin
5. Kyle Shanahan
6. Matt LaFleur
7. Doug Pederson
8. Dan Campbell
9. Zack Taylor
10. Mike McDaniel
11. Jim Harbaugh
12. Sean Payton
13. Mike McCarthy
14. Demeco Ryans
15. Kevin Stefanski
16. Sean McDermott
17. Nick Sirianni
18. Kevin O’Connell
Longevity, playoff wins, Super Bowl appearances and Super Bowl wins play a factor. Without a single playoff victory. I can’t justify ranking KOC above any of these coaches. Demeco Ryans is high based on the train wreck that was the Texans and he turned them around in a single season. He could drop or rise drastically on the list depending on what he does this year. I feel 14 is a good spot for him.
Bears kept Eberfus because they are building a culture. After slow start never lost the locker room. And unlike KOC, the Bears actually finished strong going 4-2 in the last 6 games.
KOC needs to channel Bud Grant. Don't force your players into your system. Adapt your system to the strengths of your players. Then he'll be a top 20 coach.
I like Dan Campbell, but he makes some really terrible in game decisions (particularly 4th down) to be in the top 10.
Homer Homepage. Hell fhck no KOC top 10? Lol. No 15 - 20 at best now.
McCarthy needs to be at like 29
Vikings only for me!!
Lol top ten ok
Absolutely he took No BallZ kirk to be a competent Top Tier or bridging top tier QB. He has built on of the best young teams and coaching staff (this year will prove it) AND he head coaches the team EVERYONE is only judging him on his play calling and they are determining his head coach status by just that however his coaching abilities on being able to be creative and bring the best out of everyone, knows when to cut losses and have shown to learn from failures
Went to the playoffs with Zimmer's team
He didnt build anything lmfao. And Kirk was better with Zimmer. Laughable. Without Zimms team yall underdogs in ALL 17 games. Let that sink in.
Knows how to cut losses and learn from failure? I guess that's why he stuck with Mattison all year, and kept throwing Dobbs out there. Then for some reason he thought Jaren Hall gave us the best chance to win the most important game of the year. And he's so creative he doesn't even know how to design an effective screen pass.
@StillKeepOnLosing kirk was better with zimm😂😂💀 mist untrue statement I've ever seen. Lying to yourself like that is diabolical
@@purplepainforumsyou and @StillKeepOnLosing should get together and throw a Debbie downer party
KOC is a SB winning coach. How is that not a SB pedigree? Yes, it was as a coordinator, but, he is a SB winner. If anything, KOC could be higher.
So if you fetch coffee for a Super Bowl winning coach, that somehow makes you a SB winning coach too? That's quite the stretch.
@@purplepainforums ummmmm that's pretty stupid. the guy who cuts the lawn too
@@purplepainforumslol your obviously a casual if you think koc didn't nothing for the rams other then "fetch coffe". Why are you here anyway? You love to sit here and talk shit about your "favorite" team all day? Your life is so sad and miserable that all you can spew out is negativity? Go do something
Good shi my dude
Koc is maybe MAYBE 15. He really has only proven one thing (that he can get the best out of qb).
What QB has he gotten the best out of? I'll wait.
@@purplepainforums Kurt cousins! Are you not a vikings fan?!
I agree and if u were bein a Homer u would have KO in the top 10. Also you wouldv'e had KO Ahead of The weak ass Lafleur and Dan Campbell.
No not yet but I'm hopeful