Is the West TIRED of Ukraine!?
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Is the West getting tired of Ukraine? Is Ukraine going to lose support against Russia?
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#tommykay #ukraine #russia #reaction
Funny that this video released after the announcement that Europe and USA is sending tanks.
@Tomislav Puklin lmao Irish empire don't believe Western news???
Could it be he become one of those Putler propaganda now???
@Tomislav Puklin They dig trenches around Kyiv in case of another attack from the Belarus, they're not worried about the current offensive reaching Kyiv that's ridiculous . Russia is digging trenches in Crimea so clearly they fear the western missiles and tanks coming this spring
@Tomislav Puklin Why are you lying? They are building trenches along all the roads there's literally photos of them
@Tomislav Puklin Nobody is this delusional, this is just disinformation attempt right? It doesn't work on westerners sorry bro
@Tomislav Puklin I'll try but you kinda just saying them same bullshit rhetoric I've seen from countless russian nationalists, bots and putin simps
While obviously important to help Ukraine, it needs to be said that US support while still very high, is losing a little bit of popularity largely because of economic hardships facing lower class Americans right now, not because of russian sympathies or otherwise. It is easy to look at American GDP and say oh thats nothing, donate more, but Americans are getting deeper and deeper in debt, the poor are getting poorer, and many are struggling to live, vast majority of young Americans cannot afford to live on their own and most that do are surviving paycheck to paycheck. When looking at the big picture it is easy to see how important aid is, but when youre going home after working excruciating hours counting pennies to see if you can afford this months bills, its hard to look at billions of dollars going to other countries on the news knowing how much you are struggling.
Sure money could be taken from other places to help aid the struggling American people, but thats not what this poll is saying, people want the government to spend some of the money theyre throwing around like its limitless on improving the lives of the average American, debt relief, infrastructure programs, increased medical support, etc. Similarly to how many countries not at war are getting egregious amounts of money from the US for much less important things than holding off Russia, like new weapons for israel to kill Palestinean civilians with...
The struggling public doesnt care about geopolitics, they dont see much of this spending on the news, they see the spending to Ukraine, so that ends up being the spending they criticize. Its less the American public being divided on supporting Ukraine so much as the American media and powers at be wanting the American public divided in general, because it makes them more money. Looking at Americans with contempt for this is silly, as this is the same situation most people questioning support to Ukraine in Europe are faced with as well, and they arent unjustified because theyre struggling, theyre simply struggling.
Speak as loud as you can they don’t care to understand and never will
I’ve never given a single fk about Ukraine, but I do give a lot of fks about how much it costs to fill my car up, heat my home, and how much I have to spend on some damn groceries.
@@rabbiforrskeincoinblatt3052 And guess why it's all gone up for you and me? Because of Ukraine. The sooner the war ends, the sooner the prices will fall. So there's reason enough to actually start giving a fuck ;)
Why should we send money to a corrupt government with a psychopath leader? Did you forget when a Ukrainian missile landed in Poland and Zelensky immediately used it as an oppurtinity to convince the West to start a nuclear war, potentially killing us all? Guess we who do not want to support this are the bad guys eh? I hope they both lose and destroy eachother.
the biggest problem with this argument is the fact that the support the US is giving to Ukraine is already bought. All those guns, trucks, and armored vehicles are old stockpiles we had. The number value attached to US aid is not actual money, its equipment and food. Even then, as of the current 2023 total of aid to Ukraine, the US has only spent 24.9 billion dollars. It sounds like a lot of money until you realize that it is just 3.6% of the YEARLY military budget of the US. The argument that that money would be better spent is moot because that money was already gonna go to the military and not the economy or social welfare. Even if it did, the increase that that money would have, if it existed, would not change anything.
People hate us being the world police but then when shit like this goes down all of a sudden they love it.
Many seem to forget that Pax Americana is the most stable and peaceful part of human history yet
@@VinceOliver04 Does make you wonder how it got that way, as in Pax Americana being the Relatively most peaceful one, because we’ve had Pax Roman/China/Mongol/Brittanica but they were still rife with the direct genocide of millions. Say what you will about indirect support for mass genocides, so far the US has yet to Directly and openly participate in genocide on that scale of millions Since coming to global power 1900’s onwards.
@@VinceOliver04 Except for Iraq
@@darkmemes953 I ain't saying there's no unrest and war, just saying that we're living in the most stable part of human history
@@VinceOliver04 Right, until you take a History class. Then you learn about our involvement in Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Argentina, El Salvador, Kissinger's betrayals of Syria, Reagan's support for death squads and fascist regimes, how our "foreign aid" is a scam, and you realize that only an idiot goes around blathering about some kind of "Pax Americana'.
"republicans are on Putins payroll" at the same time stats being shown that republican support is more or less the same as democrats. Classic Tommy
fr it seems like he is missing the point that the Republicans are splitting. Its almost a clean 50/50 on support for ukraine within the party, along with many other issues. Its gonna be a major factor in the next election cycle.
@@cheeseninja1115 maybe 50/50 among the conservative populace but all republican senators are pro Ukraine and like all but 40 house members support as well so for the politicians in the party itself its around 75% pro Ukraine. This is just based on voting records.
Tommy really should just stay out of US politics he is so ignorant on it
@@Doosteroni agreed
@@Doosteroni Tbf, thats what happens with foreign politics in general. Central Europe alone already delivered two examples contradicting the "only poors vote rightwing" or "only geriatrics vote rightwing" last week.
Its also why you'll more often find people like say Slovaks tell TLDRNews that they completely missed the mark on a certain topic.
Correspondants arent useless
The thing is, the US had hit the debt ceiling once again.
they should just raise it so high that it will never be hit that will solve it
I don’t think Tommy understands that the US is in a really bad situation for the middle and lower class. We aren’t some utopia and out debt is out of control. CC spending is out of control, inflation is at highs, savings are at lows, FED rates are at highs and rate hikes continue, and our stock market has declined a lot since the war started. These reasons alone are enough for those little polls to shift and that’s the clear reason the sentiment has shifted. It’s not a matter of what’s good or what’s bad. We know Russia is bad and them pillaging and winning over Ukraine would be a major loss for the world and would have major implications, but overall this means nothing. We still feel the same way and we still see the same footage of Ukrainians fighting in their backyards. Idk why the US is painted as the bad guy because we have a big budget and therefore we can give them money. We have been “trying” to protect nations for years shit ain’t workin so we just giving them guns now. What more you want, at least Germany got biden to send tanks and allowing leopard 2’s to be sold but it’s just escalation. Nothing good can come from it.
He doesn’t care about poor people.
Amen.
As of 2023 the US has spent $24.9 Billion on aid to Ukraine, this is only 3.6% of the total military budget of the single year of 2022. That money would have never gone to social programs even if it wasn't given to Ukraine. The argument that we could spend this in the US is moot as that amount of money, while big, would not have the massive impact on the economy so many think it would have. If anything the MIC, depressingly, is getting MORE jobs as military procurement orders increase.
@@cheeseninja1115 you just don't get it I am tired of us the American citizens having to defend Europe let someone else pay for once
@@cheeseninja1115 Yup, just like how the Great Depression was nullified by the Rearmament of the US.
At 9 mins tommy talks about how it feels much more real bc they are so close to the front line then Americans which is 100% true. So does that explain EU lack of help to the middle east, or asia or africa countries struggling in conflict?
Ukraine war caused gas and food prices to rise, so its also economically important that ukraine is noticed
Ofc
@@baseditalian03 And the million of migrates which have caused massive problems in the EU didnt do anything? Turkey is invading a country so they can make a buffer zone to put these people
@@baseditalian03 I have a hunch the majority of the rising prices are due to businesses gauging how far they can push the people. The fuck are governments gonna do? Slap a pricecap? Good luck, until that shit passes half a year already went by.
I mean… Ukraine is in Eastern Europe. Ask a Pole or a Lithuanian if they’re more worried about the issues in Syria or Palestine vs Russia invading a Eastern European country. It’s just natural that when their are threats on your front door vs problems overseas, you’re going to want to address that threat next door first.
Not supporting Ukraine does not mean supporting Russia
In liue of that decision directly supporting Russia's goals, it actually does mean that. Inaction against a conquering power in this case is pretty obvious when that's the blatant reality of the situation
@@josephhernandez5386 You buy electronics therefore you support the genocide and ethnic cleansing comitted by the chinese government. That's your logic.
@@josephhernandez5386 Lmfao no. What the fuck do you want Brazil to do? Kill its agrarian industry in one fell swoop because people are dying on a different continent? India might even be benefitting due to all the cheap shit they can get out of Russia now.
However since Westoids are quite eurocentric lets look at some of the countries who arent as involved as most: Turkey would rather be a bridge and already proved itself critical in negotiations over grain exports, possibly preventing a grain crisis. Worst thing they did was cuck Sweden, but they obviously are using it as leverage. Speaking of leverages: Hungary. They usually veto shit cause they want more aid. Or because it harms them too badly such as oil and now uranium sanctions. Belarus isnt acting because they'd be fucked regardless of the outcome. Then we've got Serbia refusing sanctions due to it also being an economic suicide.
However since inaction is evil, the weapon sales to Ukraine and the accepted refugees clearly dont count. Or in case of Turkey the Bayraktars
@@josephhernandez5386 What are Russias goals?
@@dingus6317 conquering Ukraine, destroying Ukrainian nationality, culture, language and then proceeding to the next target.
for some reason tommy sounds different and i think that difference actually makes him sound more mature and serious for some reason
He sound more "old" or someone who smoke a lot, and he kinda sounds like Lula(the President of Brazil) lol
He is in his new house
@@gustavohp3439 he does kind of sound like him lol
i think he's in a new room, so it sounds kinda weird
He still a liberal outlet not sure what u tryna do here
Meanwhile germay is sending tanks. little update also America.
Let’s goooo, thunder run time baby
@@Kidnamedfinger- *CCR* *intensifies*
to be honest Germany is the only European country that I have hope for
I understand Tommy's view on this, but he sounds so certain that i don't think he knows that he is also being manipulated in some extend by the media. At the end of the day, conflicts will end, but the amount of losses depends on the time, and what is worth it to you will affect how you view the war should end.
geopolitical security that comes back to europe if ukraine wins cant be measured in money/"losses" imagine a real democratic russia and a ukraine that joins the EU. we would benefit so much, its almost crazy. but people are too short minded to see the long term consequences of this conflict for a bit of economic hardship during 2-3 years. Its mindblowing how one-sided this argumentation is. questionning the support of ukraine is needed. but we had enough time to do that in the last year to weigh out the pros and cons, completely sidelining the moral and ethic part of this. Now its time to follow through with this support
They are soo corrupt
true
who isn't
Russia even more. Even fellow NATO members are corrupt, so what is your point?
@@Goose2001 China.
@@alexccc8982 💀
The US will continue to lend lease our older military tech, older versions of Strykers, Bradleys, Infantry gear, and supplies. It does have benefits if Ukraine wins and has to pay us back, and it also benefits the US by getting old tech off of our rosters that was just sitting in Motor pools and warehouses likely being neglected anyway.
It's also a WEALTH of information on how US military tech would fair against Russia's equivalent, knowledge that we otherwise wouldn't attain unless we went to war with them ourselves. We can always theorize and presume how the fights would play out, but real world data is so much more important.
like lend leasing in hoi4 to get army xp lol
@@joda7129 Basically lol.
Yesterday the US started sending m1a2 Abrams to Ukraine so it's not just old equipment
@@mel1s218 Well those are either gonna be sitting around garrisoning our allies. Or actively being used and fighting against our enemies.
@@joda7129 yeah
Russians gonna feel life fatigue
Maybe. In current situation (the long war) the first who brokes economically, morally, strategically is going to be defeated.
everyone in the UK is tired of Ukraine. We are one of the highest donators when our military is in the bin, the economy is gone so yeah the UK people are tired
The argument of helping Ukraine purely out of moral goodwill falls dead when you realize there are 5 wars in Africa and 0 help going to them
Late to the conversation but let me say why I, an American, have an issue with the billions going to Ukraine. East Palestine Ohio. Donald Trump went there with aid before the Federal Government did. We are so focused on Ukraine we don’t help our own citizens.
I hate having to explain such a simple topic to others, but do you know what’s being sent? It isn’t 46.6B dollars in cash, ffs. It’s 46.6B in vehicles and equipment. No, a fucking m777 will not save East Palestine. No, an International MaxxPro will not save East Palestine. No, a NASAM complex will not save East Palestine
Edit: well, I guess a MaxPro could evacuate civilians.
People don’t matter. Your vote doesn’t matter. Each party is the same.
"People don't matter what matters is what they present"
Or Europe is not our problem. The Cold War ended years ago. Germany, France, Italy step up to the plate. Especially Germany.
The problem with the Balkans is we get hit the hardest during economic crises. Whenever inflation rises this much, it rises everywhere in the EU, but GDP per capita is significantly lower in Bulgaria for example, many people are having a hard time. Yes, we should be thinking that losing money is better than losing our lives, but that's not something you have in mind every single day, because you can't think about the war every single day. You just look at your everyday life and see that you have more difficulty in getting by, and want it to stop.
As an American, I can understand our fatigue since we are currently giving the most support to Ukraine. But I think the US shouldn't have sent tanks or light tanks over to Ukraine due to that escalating the conflict and making it more NATO vs. Russia rather than Ukraine vs. Russia.
Well, I think that for you, as an American, it is much better when Ukrainians on American tanks vs ruzzia than Americans on Americans vs ruzzia later, and in any case, the assistance that is allocated by America is a miserable percentage of the entire budget of the American army so in fact you are solving big problems by small hardships
@ttalentless That is one way to look at it. I get where you're coming from, but flirting war between nuclear powers is not what the world needs. I am fine with the US providing some funds and weapons, but there is a point where there needs to be a line draw. Or eventually, US troops will be sent to Ukraine. War is a slippery slope, and the only people who profit are the arms manufacturers.
@@tylergrooms3728 You dont decide with Putin. You dont get it. He wanted atack Baltic states after he finished with Ukraine. It same as Gitler. You canr run forever.
Like it or not escalation is enevitable. Tyrany and Dmeocracy cant live on one globe. Tyrany always would want conquer all globe. It only mater of time
It literally either one left stand. Sooner people get it , easier it will be.
This war isnt even last one which would come. And USA isnt safe. Cause if tyranical powers absorb all smaller countries eventually they would come for USA itself. It mater of time when you decide to give fight. It always was this way. Fighting sooner have biger chances to win, while enmy didnt become strong enough.
@Riman M You actually do get to decide with Putin. It just the current president is a wet blanket, and when Russia was massing troop on the border, Biden didn't give them a response to what would happen if they invaded. But this was invetable due to the 2014 coup and subsequent separatist movements in the east. Putin is not a good, but man he is not completely mad like gitler. There were reasons and warning signs for why this happened.
Support for Ukraine remains high, but the main problem is everyday Americans are struggling really hard ever since covid ruin the economy. Everything from food to gas prices are ever increasing, while companies report record profits and continue to lay off thousands of jobs to keep quarterly earnings up. It doesn't help congress is extremely stupid and our policy makers are either completely useless, don't have enough power to fight, or resent the common Americans for not working hard enough.
Our already fragile social safety set system like Food Stamps and Social Security is being cut in a many states, while the rich and companies continue to get tax cuts every single year. infrastructure and cities are crumbling, middle America and many rural communities are being left with some places not having clean water to drink. More people have to use food banks just to get food. To add more stress the Chair of the Federal Reserve just stated that the common American wages of 15/16$ dollars an hour is too high for the economy because inflation and must be cut. We're falling apart here!
Common sense policies to repair the nation that may see like well duh to you or the German Parliament like public works programs, universal healthcare, child support, college and credit debt relief, etc. Are utterly despise in congress be it democrat or republican. Everything is about privatization and tax cuts. Our so called democracy is a joke and Americans are just sick of our government.
Uhhh most dems want all those nice things you listed?
thing is americans have zero clue they surounded by enemies. It remind late Roman Empire whtn they became weak and barbarians destoryed them
Tyrany and Demcoracy cant live on same globe. Sooner or later Tyrany like China or Russia would absorb all small countries. Than would eventually come for weaken America
And if you think it imposible, it prety much posible. Powers even stronger than USA fell in past for same way.
USA is not invincible it military becoming weaker and weaker, cause less and less motivated soldiers.
USA is lucky enough Ukraine fight. Cause if Ukraine would loose, it would make USA loose all left global power they have after Afganistan disaster.
USA was center of global trade was exactly cause of reputation of military strength that was garnte of security.
IF USA cant eb secure than money would fleed aswell. It what China want: retake Global trading and than capture Globe
Same want other tyranical countries like Russia
Putin planed atack Baltic states and humilate NATO which would bring NATO colapse.
In end Ukraine holding line won time for wetsenr powers to regroup. They paying in blood protecting west. Westenrers owes them but we dont even get cause of own stupidity.
The day Ukraine was invaded, I had a Russian class. That was a very awkward day
USA everytime:
"Hey guys, lets intervene to bring peace, freedom and democracy"
also USA everytime:
"Hey guys, we actually lose more than we gain. Were out o/"
I guess I can kind of understand even if I don’t agree. Coming off of a 20 year slog that achieved nothing except wasting the lives of thousands and billions of dollars, I’d probably be a bit disillusioned too. I guess it’s hard to realize that it would be helping people who actually WANT help and to improve their country.
@@evilemuempire9550 for 20 years people could go to school and humanitary aid coule be delivered so it wasnt nothing
We’re out? Are you an idiot? The u.s. has sent more aid than all European countries combined
@@evilemuempire9550 Just to leave a country in the hands of the democratic Taliban, mission complete o7
At this rate the next war the USA will enter is another civil war anyway
PS: I have the utmost respect to those who actually survived any kind of war scenario. Please dont be too offended by my cynicism.
@@sickzappybeef9209 Yep. Because you have equipment laying around that never even entered real combat. We dont actually allow many guns in EU and we dont have billions to spend on the army. So therefor we dont own many military grade stuff. We could produce it. Thats all.
TommyKay I'm saying this only one time stay off AMERICAN POLITICS
I love my tax payer dollars going to help other ppl in another continent 😁
You wouldn’t see them back anyway, they would be spend on military budget anyway. Don’t think that those dollars were ever going to homelessness or whatever.
Ain't nobody tell a better story than Zelensky looking for money 🤦♂🤦♂💀
I mean of course war is costly and everybody is getting tired to pay for someone elses war with no payback even if they win🤷♂
So what does a victory against Russia look like? The Russ pack up and leave?
you can’t really win against nuclear power when its fighting for its territory, you can argue that “its not recognized blablabla”, but that does not mean much really
Look at the previous proxy war we had with Russia and see how that end up for USA (Korea and Vietnam).
Well, yeah.
Basically like they did during their retreats from Kherson or Izyum.
@@theslavbeing335 not going to happen tho
The people who say "we should help our own people" instead of helping Ukraine always oppose helping our own people in the US, it is a flat out lie.
zelensky keeps saying he wants peace i guess he needs a few tanks for it
@@zalmonzam9629 USA will fight to the last ukrainian, what does some tanks matter?
@gkr2189 I voted for Bernie, I am independent and lean heavily left. I want to uplift the American people out of poverty and improve public schools. Rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. Improve the lives of the average American in as many ways as possible.
I do not see how Ukraine can win this war. Of the 100% of arms Ukraine has purchased from US, with US money. Only 30% actually makes it to the war. The other 70% is finding it's way into the black market.
We are the only reason they can keep fighting and they are not even using all of it.
Huh? I believe we should help our own country first...Homelessness, Crime, Cost of living all going up due to Tax payers money being sent to foreign countries. I mean i wish i was the president...but your mixing up the people who want our country to flourish to the people in POWER in our country.
@@zalmonzam9629 Si vis pacem, para bellum
My issue with them is GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE. I understand they are at war, but holy shit, they had years to prepare and re-arm.
GIVE US ROCKETS. Okay here are your rocke- NOW GIVE US TANKS!!! Ermm... Okay heres some ta- NOW GIVE US JETS!!! But the tanks haven't even arrived yet!!!
Ukraine is at war, what else do you want them to do???
@@Superbl0bby not be my problem
@@battenburg6089 isolationism and indifference is so cringe
@@Superbl0bby Isolationism worked out pretty well for the US and Switzerland compared to having a few hundred thousand starve in another pointless war like the napoleonic ones. Or having a few thousand frenchies die because the Prussian Emperor felt insulted. Europe constantly fought its equals and bled itself dry because of it whereas the US' worst battle was against itself because they preferred pouncing on Mexico, Spain, China etc while they couldnt fight back.
@@elseggs6504 it worked prety shity. USA was lucky to win Cold War. Cause they were very close to loosing. Tyranical powers would consume all small powers and than came eventually for USA.
If China and Russia absorb all Europe, Asia, Africa with such human and material resources USA wouldnt be able do shit. And loose war when enemies would come for them.
What people dont get Ukraine fight war that West would eventually had to fight. IF they loose than it would be just other countries next
Stalin didnt give afuck Swizerland neutral or not. He didnt capture it simply cause he wasnt able reach it. But beleive USSR had plans conquer all Europe.
That why NATO was created. USA also needed get any aliance they could cause, they have chance against USSR and China together.
I guess what people forget is that the Funds Ukraine is receiving from the US is all tax payer money. Which it would happen, in this current economy, is wrecking everyone savings and believe me US citizens are feeling it. That's why you get people that have such disdain with sending more and more it just means increased taxes for them and we know how much Americans hate taxes.
The price not to act is greater then the current price.
This argument is actually bs, individual americans only pay about 3,5 dollars a week to support ukraine
@@EvilCuRrY007 obviously doesn't know how taxes work.
@@prisonmike6210 The money spent on military aid to Ukraine would never reach your pocket anyway. It's taken from your military budget.
“Can’t engineer an economy”. Bro as an aspiring engineer this is so funny yet so true.
Euros have zero concept of American political dynamics
Same way as Americans struggle to understand the many different political parties in europe, both systems are just very different
It's Russian tactics, they very rarely win militarily against matching opponents, they're just better at outsuffering them usually and then regrouping.
name country that often wins matching opponent
not to mention Russia since the middle of last year has been playing defensive on purpose to burn Ukraine out of all equipment and manpower and it has worked, there on a rampage right now, and are about to take the last line of defense, Bakhmut, since Bakhmut is the last part of the defense lines that have been built since 2014 in the Donbas region
@@inf11 Brittain i guess
@@Bzgiorno_Bzgiovanna what MATCHING opponent britan won?
@@inf11 1st Dutch Republic, Quing China x2, 1st and 3rd French Republics, Imperial Russia, Prussia, 2nd Reich.
I seriously appreciate this side of Tommy. He's more mature when talking about serious topics, discusses and argumenting his opinions in a civilized manner.
I laugh at his manly-ginger-viking persona, but these opinions he tells make him an actual person on the internet
Tommy is so right I thought ukrainr had a month at best. I wanted ukriane to kick ass but I didn't belive in them now I'm 100 percent behind ukraine
Bro it's not the miracle on the Vistula anymore it's the miracle on the Dnieper ☠☠☠☠
Yes and rightfully so
The thing is that people from Britain and Us are in economic hardship and when the people see that the government is spending billions on Ukraine and not spending these on the people of there country, they will get angry. These billions could help millions of people but instead they spend it on a country that is so corrupt that some of the weapons can already been seen on the black market. I am against supporting Ukraine so that we can focus our money on poor people starving instead of funding an never ending war.
I think you are seriously misunderstanding things. This isn't "a never ending war", but it WILL be if the west won't send any help. Putin won't stop this war by himself and the Ulrainians won't surrender either. More importantly, the fall of Putin's regime and the reintegration of Russia into the wprld economy would do much more for american poor than a dew billion that can barely make a difference. Not to mention that these "billions"aren't even real money and mostly contain the value of outdated equipment that collected dust dust in the warehouses.
PS: Sorry fo potential mistakes. As you can guess by my name, English isn't my native language
People talk about the US abandoning Ukraine like they never would, US abandons allies they dont need anymore lets be honest here
Yeah.....every war is about economics...
@@veggyeater What does Economics have to do with anything?
@@makeitrain8812 i meant territory and resourses and all that jazz...whats the reason for anyone to need allies if not to become richer, thats what i meant
America has no friends, only interests. Their hegemony seems threated by Russia and China now. Thats why they care about Ukraine.
I'm sorry, but Tommy is starting to be like one of those middle class people who listen to the "politicians" and ignore the poor.
and they would call us pro russians
@@TheProjectVoid indeed
Short answer: Yes
tha aged like fine milk
Although the Americans say they are sending too much to Ukraine due to them sending more than anyone else compared to their gdp they do not send the most instead Poland and the baltics have sent far more if you compare their gdp to that of the USA
Yeah well honestly, we don’t care. That’s why. I don’t give a shit about Ukraine. Whether they win or lose it doesn’t affect me
Baltic people ar in dark blue... lovely too see that
Think that releasing this video after the west announced to deliver tanks is a bit inappropriate
man being a Ukranian Tommy fan feels good :) thank you for supporting us
Слава Україні!
Cringe
@@Dzeividz omg hitman 12 old kid omg rusian fan ahhhhh
So true
@@svemir14 i mean you literally have an anime pfp, even tho I like DBZ you mustn’t be older than 16
I make sure to get updates everyday
daily war support -1
Build the wall
What I care about is not only applying the belief of liberty to Ukraine. Western Sahara wants a democracy iirc, but is being taken over by a Monarchy. Artsakh wants to seemingly maintain independence of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Etc.
Easy for wealthy people to say that yes there’s a price to pay for supporting ukraine, and the brutality in ukraine is only because the west is helping them so much dragging it on longer and longer when the end is always bad for ukraine
For the western peoples to value integrity and sovereignty. When it comes to actually enforce and act upon these ideals and people like you crawl out of tour rocks and say: "yes, but actually no."
Additionally, the Russian occupation outcome is worse as it tells the whole world that the west and the free world will not do anything to genuinely help others when invaded by a legitimately imperial and authoritarian state.
No good comes from comfort, it only breeds complacency. Real change and real impact comes from struggle and effort.
If Russia wins the war, it will have all the resources of Ukraine (the biggest European country) and Belarus. It would be comparable to the power of the Soviet Union. And guess what would be next? "NATO, you should demilitarize this country, and this, and this". NATO will reject it, and then we have the start of WW3. And all the world can prevent it just by helping Ukraine now when it is not too late. So there are only 2 prices you can pay for each option. I guess it is better to help Ukraine.
@@petroyobka6305 or Russia takes ukraine intergrates the border region and stops there with Belarus and ukraine as buffer states or nato can carry on supporting ukraine which will lead to ww3
@Milan Skrbic as a Ukrainian, I tell you, feel free to give up your country to be "buffer state" of russia, it's your choice. You have no right to tell us to sieze to exist because you have high inflation or gas prices.
@@theslavbeing335 there’s 2 outcomes you give up the Russian regions and the war ends or you lose an insane amount of people and Russia never leaves the border region anyway so you choose
Should've, could've, would've.
Well according to surveys, most Germans aren't big fans of sending weapons (especially fighter jets) to Ukraine either. Do not know if that's a fatigue thing or if Germans just do not want to support the Ukrainian war effort in general.
Also, for me, as for Ukrainian with pro-Ukrainian position, Stoltenberg's argument just seems pretty weak. US and Europe often applied force to different smaller countries without sufficient justification (e.g. Vietnam, Iraq by US or some African countries by EU members like France).
In the same way it doesn't seem that Russia can be a real military threat to NATO. These military invasions only aim to target [presumably] weaker countries. Russia risked invading Ukraine, because it saw the possibility of easy gains, as in Georgia or how they did with Crimea. Openly attacking an alliance of countries that have nukes - totally different story.
Slava Russia 💪🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
Норвежский коммунист поддерживающий Россию.... Странное сочетание.
@@intro_carlequin9913 А с чего ты взял что он коммунист?)
@@vaer7561 Один из его комментариев: "Capitalism and fixing climate change doesn't go together. rich pigs only want money and don't care about planet."
20% yes, you have a lot of russians settled in Germany long time ago... there are a lot of them there
No it's not
what happened to Tommy room? did he get divorced?
@@nabbe7834 did he buy new apartment in leipzig or is it rental? i remember him talking about that he wanted to buy his first house
Who asked the Greeks?
You just know as soon as republicans saw themselves agreeing with democrats they had to change their views on the topic.
2014
No way tommy said because Russia couldnt capture Ukraine in a 1:5 ratio in 7 days, against an army trained and equipped by America and NATO for 8 years, that it cant even reverse engineer a tank.
" True totalatarianism, is when everyone in your society is ready to lie purposefully for the regieme" - DJP
This is the path of the west. Russia is authotarian, but the West will overpass Russia in its authotarianism. Theres a reason why in 1984, the Russians seem like heros compared to Ingsoc, which promoted "happiness , peace and freedom". I dont live in America or EU but its a disgusting path I see the nations going, where there is thousands of genders. I wish the best for all of you citizens, stand up against your governments.
How many contries did USA invaded? Hawai, Nicaragua, Chile, Peru, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Afeganistan... Yeah i bet all of them were "Just" wars
Clearly you never understood 1984 if you ever actually read it. All the nations of the world, Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia are shown to be in an eternal war, where the main purpose is the waste of resources and to keep the populous poor and obedient. In the book, it’s revealed that all the nations are the same, where they all use the same strategy of oppression to keep their citizens in line, and it’s even questionable if there are three countries or if it’s all just one world government using different countries as an excuse to fight itself forever. Those in Eurasia certainly aren’t the good guys, and are just as oppressive as the Ingsoc government we read about.
I rarely has seen an orc being so blantely being an orc as you lol. Congratulations you have earned your rubbels for today.
I love the democratic path my country has chosen. Why I don't agree with all the gender stuff, a large part of the population does agree with it. So that is democracy. Toleration is also a thing you know. Life and let life seems a concept not many Russians seem to grasp.
🤡 bro thinks 1984 can actually be unironically used in an actual political debate. no one likes a homophobe, maybe you'd find your place in the middle east rather than the uk :)
West is 1984 because gay people!!!!!
Cope, NATO brought this on themselves. Ironic that he's saying dissenters are propagandized as if he's not parroting the same message every mainstream media outlet is pushing
These libs don’t get it. They believe whatever the government and media(same thing) tell them they should believe.
@@kis4659 and America is a Jewish hedge fund
I don’t think you seem to get that NATO isn’t coping. Russia is the one that is bleeding a generation dry again and their demographic collapse has only been accelerated.
Rot in hell, genocidal piece of shit.
Feel free to go to russia and enlist to become fertilizer for our beautiful Ukrainian land :)
love how italy in order to support ukrain went back to fascism, we can never do two good things simultaneously
Those are two good things but okay
@@Orthane openly facist. You're braver than most.
@@Orthane bro you just posted cringe
@@dylanvogler2165 Well yeah. Fascist =/= Nazi. I'm so tired of people confusing the two.
Ma che caz*ata stai dicendo
It only took well more than 100 billion in military aid from more than 50 countries and mercenaries/volunteers from western countries to keep Ukraine from collapsing immediately. You're right Tommy, Russia isn't that bad of a bear, more like a teddy bear.
War is expensive + he meant in comparison to western nations, against NATO russia wouldn’t have a chance.
The volunteers aren’t even a 6th of the Ukrainian army and Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe and had a third of Russias population. It should have been an easy win for Russia regardless.
@@tofu3789 Against NATO Russia would use nukes exactly because in a conventional war they wouldn't have a chance. NATO vs Russia is something that should never happen.
@@Proud2bGreek1 cope
@@dylanvogler2165 but he’s right
Supporting Ukraine means supporting the War and continuation of the conflict. As the result - more deaths, more destruction, and potentially more broader escalation. The propaganda of "supporting Ukraine" is generously paid for by the beneficiaries of new military contracts. Unfortunately, no one is thinking about the people. Unfortunately, all wars like this one, it is just a business..
"Supporing Britain in WW2 is supporting war and continuation of WW2, generously paid for by beneficiaries of new military contracts."
@@theslavbeing335 This is a hypocrisy by saying that. UK or NATO will never join the war in Ukraine for the full 100%. Because Putin is not a "Hitler", otherwise none of you would speak about further negotiations, right? And,
If you call a war, you have more to lose, don't you? Moreover, you know, that you will never win in a in a nuclear war, because there is only one option - to die. Therefore, this fake support is just the huge business working on fear and on the blood of innocent people from Ukraine. It's not about WW3. You don't give a shit about Ukrainian civilians. Therefore, you are confusing.. Probably due to military propaganda from the US/UK. And nothing more.
@@Arthur-jc2qm I AM UKRAINIAN CIVILIAN.
@@theslavbeing335 so what? So what? Do you really support this war until you or other civilians die, including children? How long are you willing to pay the cost?
@Arthur I support as least civilian death as possible, that's why I support my country and our army.
You didn't give a shit about it, of course, but our country was invaded in 2014, when russia occupied Crimea and started hybrid war in Donbass. It happened, even though in 1993 we gave up our nukes in exchange for security guarantees from russia, US, UK, France and Germany, it was Budapest Memorandum. Russia invaded, world did practically nothing.
We accepted It. We signed Minsk agreements in 2014, a deal with russia ensuring that the conflict will not escalate, putin himself said that "russia isn't seeking to annex or divide Ukraine". You know what happened next. Do you really believe that if we give up MORE of our lands now, allow russians to slaughter more Ukrainians living there and continue to destroy our culture on occupied lands, that they won't attack again in a few years? It's going to be THIRD time.
And they won't stop. In Georgia they also have 2 separatist regions, just like "lpr/dpr" in Ukraine. They started war there in 2008, with the same arguments of "genocide of ethnic russians by nationalist nazi gay government" or something like that.
Common big W Tommy
I am not surprised by Bulgaria, i breathe the same air with pro-russia looney tunes.
Shiban evrein
Chad Ukraine 💪🏻🇺🇦. Slava Ukraina 🇺🇦!!!
No bots or propagandist PLS
Cringe
Chad Russia
Well... If I consider the insane amount of money my government (Spain, if you wonder) spends in bullshit... I consider any cent dedicated to help these people extremely well spent. So I'm not tired at all. As long as the ukrainian people are willing to keep fighting, I won't complain any expense or restriction (I mean things like limiting energy usage, not freedom of speech of course) imposed here in the West.
But look at your own people first before sending foreign aid to some foreign government? My government decided not to intervene this
this video is so bias
womp womp
Those western tanks will help alot
Да, помогут продлить происходящее.
first homie
first. slava ukraine. russia last
Героям слава!
Yes, Putin is right.
Tommy supporting current thing for 16 minutes
Talking abour current events. Wow what a wild thing to do
Me when I'm 16 and think being contrarian is a personality trait