Easter kind of threw my schedule off. I really wanted to get this one out though, so I was up till 3am last night making this one. If I had more time I would rerecorded some scenes so the background music and such wouldn't interfere with the music I laid underneath this video. I hope it isn't too distracting. It was very clever how Kreia covered all her bases to make sure that the Exile travels to Malachor. She's wise, but it shows how intelligent she is as well.
Your video was a good one. Also, I believe that Kreia did not reassume the mantle of Darth Traya. She merely posed as a Dark Jedi Master with a double-bladed purple lightsaber so that she could lie to Darth Sion. She was still Light Side or Neutral, but only with a layer of deception. She then got rid of her layer, while Darth Sion fought Surik, so that she could later test Surik. That way, (s)he will be complete.
"And there must always be a Darth Traya. The galaxy needs its betrayers, especially in the times to come" This quote said by Kreia at the final encounter in Malachor 5 now makes much more sense, when you see her true meaning with another of her quotes: "To believe in an ideal is to be willing to betray it. It is something no true Jedi or Sith has ever truly done." It is important to note that when Kreia means betrayal, she means not treachery, but rather a self critical examination of one's beliefs and truths we take as absolute. Or that is what think, at least. Once again, thank you for these Kreia videos. She still never ceases to suprise us.
Alex Gámez i wonder exactly what ideal kreia was willing to sacrifice for, willing to turn to the dark side in a planned way. we know her philosphy, so what's the ideal?
Now I kinda understand that Second Quote. I construed "betrayal" in the treacherous way and always found that statement odd. Your remark makes so much more sense to me now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
That's the same thing I was wondering -- what's her ideal? I think this post explains it well: boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5615528&postcount=3
Bakunin her quote can be said for the Jedi and Sith; that’s why she’s critical towards both religious orders of the Force. The ideal she was willing to sacrifice herself for was free will in the hopes that people will stop listening to the Force and make decisions for themselves or die holding onto it. Her motivation is similar and epitomized through the Nietzsche quote “God is dead,” which is often misinterpreted by its literal phrasing, when in reality it means the belief in Him is dead. Nothing can truly have meaning or value anymore without the people to believe in it.
That’s a good point. Considering that she views opposition as an avenue to make one stronger, her willingness to betray something she believes in makes more sense if it is to make it stronger after her betrayal
Human beings are indeed social animals and because of that it's very easy to fall into the tribal mindset. I'm not sure how we would go about doing it, but when it comes to politics, people really need to look towards policy and be unafraid of persuasion. Politicians on the other hand need to also need to focus on what they actually believe instead of what they think they need to be.
Such a conviction bears with it a caveat. No group of people with similar convictions might feel at home because you fear losing your individuality. Humans are a social species which survives and thrives on being communal. Separate from that, and you may start feeling like you belong nowhere at all. Key is to strike a balance between individuality and your convictions, lest you become either a pawn of the biggest player, or self-exiled.
Even then, a title is a label. For instance, when people hear my views on religion, I get a mixed response of “Are you atheist?” “Are you [name of religion]?” My answer is neither; I acknowledge the impact religion has on the human experience (the way I do with mythology, philosophy, art, history and psychology) but I’m not a believer. I used to be a Christian in my teens, but I eventually walked from the faith because at the time, something about it felt lacking. But lately I find myself returning to those Christian leanings and incorporated my life views with that, Buddhism, etc. It’s difficult to explain, but I feel all these beliefs all stem from the fundamental human experience and can be utilized in varying ways.
Naw that would’ve contradicted Kreia’s character and her true nature as a person. She will contradict people for neutral non-categorical reasons and pretty much criticizes everything.
I found an infinite LS glitch that takes Kreia to Light Side, and that doubles as an infinite XP glitch. Kill Loppak Slusk, then activate his computer, and free the Ithorian. Then, you keep going to the cells camera over and over again.
Kreia or traya is not a true jedi or sith lord she is a self professed exile of the force in its pure incarnate entirety as a whole. Sith and Jedi. A contradiction. A true idealist. A mother, or a father in a sense.
At the beginning of quarantine, I began to have an existential crisis specifically about morality, but instead of delving into evil, I delved more into good as well as a difference in culture. Morality itself is a construct of culture and how people interact. While it can be as simple as slurping noodles being rude in America and being a compliment to the chef in Japan are a good example of this. Of course, we can go deeper and make shit up like if there was a culture where killing was the exact same as if we were to propose to someone. Or if it was a way to propose to someone. At that point, while in one society, that would be undeniably evil, because of obvious reasons. I do admit that Kreia did assist me in finding answers, and also leading me into more questions of morality as a whole. That and also, morals tend to change slightly from person to person. Everyone has a line that they're willing to cross in order to take a life. You just need to know what that line is for yourself so that you don't have to cross it for yourself at some point. There are also lines of how much one is willing to give up ones self for someone else. Though instead of finding that line, sometimes you need to draw it. Because at that point there's a personal conflict between morality and self reliance. We all have a limit on how much we will give. Of course it's easily swayed by bonds we share.
Morality comes from God, as does the universe. Nothing exists for no reason. If we exist then something caused us. If the universe exists, then something caused the universe. This is a scientific law, as well as a lot of logic. Nothing can happen without a cost. What you say about morality and culture is not true, because all cultures across the world universally have essentially the same moral standard of honesty courage integrity truthfulness, abstaining from murder and adultery and greed. This comes from the human conscience, and the human conscience comes from God. We were created by God to be good, this is evident in that we have a sense of spirituality. There would be no sense of spirituality in an unspiritual universe. God is out there, and his name is Jesus Christ, and he’s not found through any organization through any group through any church, he’s found in the Bible the word of God. These Star Wars videos affect me deeply. I used to think like a Jedi. I used to be a Jedi in my heart. Until I realized how deeply destructive the Jedi philosophy is and that the whole thing is wrong from beginning to end. God is not altruistic God is benevolent, and he wants us to come out from our mistake and philosophies that hurt us, because he loves us. Because he wants to love us. It’s not what he has to do, it’s who He is and it’s what he wants.
@@banthablasterprime1111 While I do agree that human consciousness is a large factor and that something had to create the universe and everything. I have to disagree about everyone having the same moral standards. For example, let's look at Columbus and his travels to the americas. He had killed thousands of natives in cold blood, and also for what he had considered God, or at the very least he had done it for gold and monetary gain. While I agree that we all are born with very similar values. They are easily shifted and warped by the society we live in. Such things create slavery or perhaps sacrifice of another human being in hopes for better crops. While today most societies morals seem to have some similarities, there are still large differences between many civilizations. We are all born with the same morals, but the culture we bring ourselves up with change our morality greatly. The bible itself has many uses as well, as it's a tool for control as well as liberation. It all just depends on who's reading it and why they spread it. For example, slave owners would read passages from it that would justify the use of other people as property. Though slaves such as Nat Turner would use different passages of the bible to justify their freedom. While it could be the word of God. It's easy to twist these words for personal gain. Whether that's what he wants or not is up to personal interpretation.
Fun fact: In my canon, Vrook Lamar turned to the Dark Side (not in every way, but when his true nature revealed itself), and his benevolence was actually a trap for Meetra Surik. In my canon, he actually threatened Surik by saying *“It Is You And All Those Allied With You That Hide And Must Be Found!”* There is more. He somehow managed to crush all of Kavar’s love and romantic relationships for Meetra Surik, and ZKE’s thoughtfulness and understanding of the failures, along with Vrook blaming Revan (along with every Keanu Reeves-like meatbag that looks like him), Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun, Malak, Kreia (or any old woman with missing left hands or double-bladed lightsabers), Arren Kae (or any old woman who fought with Revan, only to get squashed by the gravity of Malachor V, with her robes somehow ending up in Brianna’s hands), Zhar Lestin, Dorak, and any meatbag who got seduced, killed, or failed their students for everything. It is merely a speculation.
"the exile acted like a jedi, though like a jedi" Me: 1. all i want is money! 2.oh noe, dis poor lady, "go give urself to slavery" >:( 3.*intense use of rifle blaster* 4. Hates using the force. 5. follower has a red saber
Really glad this question got made into a video! Its nice seeing it all thought out and put into a video, it really explains better what you sent to me in the email! These videos are great, I'll look forwards to whatever comes next.
Great series, thank you for sharing, and please keep them coming! KOTOR 2 is easily the best game in the SW universe, and is actually what led me to re-watch the movies and explore other material in the franchise. I was surprised it could be so deep and nuanced about the conflicting philosophies, but that's Avellone for you! Thank you for uploading!
Could you put the music used on the description? I always thought Kreia reclaimed the title of Darth Traya because the game was rushed. Even with the restored content, Malachor V leaves a bad taste in the mouth. There are so many questions, so few answers. I bet if the developers had more time, we would have more answers. Maybe even Kreia could've been redeemed, just like Atris could be redeemed. Loved the video. I would love to see video on Fallout New Vegas, how there were no good choice for the battle of Hoover Dam, and that's what made the game so amazing.
Sure thing. It actually isn't the ingame music. I used footage from videos I uploaded in the past. I record with just the voice and add the music myself. I wanted to rerecord the parts I needed but I also wanted to release this video today. Read the pinned post to find out more.
armandoalcb it's not a matter of being redeemed, she made a conscious decision to turn dark at exactly the time she did, her own ideals were always higher than light / dark. unlike jedi she wouldn't spurn the idea of turning dark to achieve her goals, and unlike sith, she wouldn't turn dark in the pursuit of power. she originally became sith and became darth traya in order to, as she said, find the contrast to the jedi code she originally started with. she was not serving a lust for power but her philosophical goals.
Sure, she was always serving her philosophical goals and working to a better universe. Whether if the universe would be better without the Force or not, that's what the game discusses. But did Kreia had to die? Was she really a threat? Or she just died because the game was rushed and they didn't have time to give her and the game a proper ending?
That’s a fair point; given what Kreia said about Atris, they are essentially dark mirrors of one another. I feel either way, if Atris was redeemed or killed by the Exile, Kreia took on the role and function. She does say at Malachor V that the galaxy needs its betrayers.
yo you're going to make these sort of philosophical free-thinking videos about deus ex? that game is a treasure trove for stuff like this, looking forward to it man. love your videos!
Do you have a typed script you would care to share regarding this video? I have hearing issues, and there is no captioning available. So, I'm sadly missing out on some in this video. If not, that's fine. I'll just do my best. :)
I'm very sorry to hear that. It's funny because I did have a text/article version of all of these on a blog. But the blog site has since been taken offline. I tried using the wayback machine just now to find it for you but it wasn't archived. I'll see what I can do about adding captions to these. It's something I should do anyway.
@@PapitoQinn Well, first. Thank you for getting back to me. You're awesome. That was a much quicker response than expected. :) And secondly. Whether you can or can't, regardless, thank you. Again, awesome! :)
the amount of detail and craftsmanship in kotor 2's writing can be just upsetting sometime. Its only bothers me because i recently went through and did a lot of the story bits of swtor. It has hints of these kinds of concepts and even has a certain pursuable functionality in how parts of the plot unfold later down the line with many of these affect having to do with your...Title. it even changes depending on your moral scale and people will remember your actions when they show up down the line. the games also manages to recall when you spare or kill certain individuals and will play musical enemies accordingly. While nowhere near the complexity i hoped for (im one of those who like fewer but more impactful fights as opposed to endless waves of goons...i know wth was i thinking even going near this game?) but its still growth (if limited) in the direction i was hoping to see. The titles and your character still suffer from the general faceless-genre place holder, but the voice acting was still generally good enough that i still felt a sense of gusto to my actions taken (the sith line is, naturally, well nailed down, altho the jedi line perhaps a little to overly cringey at times? im terrible at judging "good" guy story lines, i fall asleep). But there wasnt that impending feel of Echo from your actions. Even the first kotor built off this idea as you are essentially spending most of the game observing the effects of your own actions (if unknowingly). But swtor doesn't really have this. You dont start out neutral but as one side or another, Light or Dark. It does offer the ability to blur and then switch sides, but Kreia's philosophy is almost absent, at least to my eyes which were far from thorough, mostly cursory. This absence leaves this horrendous vacuum when it comes to a more realistic and true moral complexity. Again hints with your companions can follow the thread for a few conversation but nothing with Kreia's actual depth, complexity or her sense of investment. Its just maddening. Threads are all that have really held, at least when it comes to proving with pudding. But then i watch these videos and my hopes re-inflate, a little. Someone sees what was being attempted and remembers. ...Or that is to say, the Echo still travels.
Thank you, man. I've never played SWTOR, and probably never will. My MMO days are behind me. But it's nice to hear what people have to say about it. The echo this game produced is still traveling, and it's effects have reached other games. But I'm hoping to make it bigger. Hopefully then I can make it travel further.
I'm going to make a series to combat the idea that gaming is a waste of time; and I'd like to link to your work if you don't mind. These philosophical dilemmas are playing themselves out in real time right now in Europe and the US. This is valuable content.
I don't mind at all. I think many people make the mistake of associating the term "art" as being a measure of quality instead of a classification. Art is the manifestation of creativity. That includes video games. I absolutely agree with you that the world is undergoing a challenge right now concerning the differences between titles and function. Ever since I made this video, it's kept coming up and I notice it more. If a hitman is walking around, calling himself a pacifist, that wouldn't make much sense.
Gaming is a waste of time if you play most of the modern online games though :/. Can't really call Kotor gaming because it's literally as good as a smart book. I struggle with addiction atm and I really recommend Cam Adairs take on the subject as well as Stefan Molyneux's.
What I dislike are extremists. I think Revan was right to try and revolutionize the Jedi into something more balanced. Like the Je'daii order. Despite their failures, their idea was still superior. I also don't think that the Jedi, as a religious organisation, should become an arm of any political administration. Nor do I think that force users should live reclusively. I might have to think about this some more, but I think they can practice force using and balance while being integrated with society. If any threats arise, they can choose to help just like any other citizen.
Malachor V was too short for all the hype it had leading up to it in that game to what basically was raiding a sith academy and staring out the window to see a completely different earlier version of malachor that was an oversight cause you cant look down in that game series. malachor was a lot more brown with lighting firing faster than a minigun than the green/black borg cube theme we got in the end
I'm gonna assume that this is actually a reference to Deus Ex, and as such, my reply is: "Number one, in 1945 corporations paid 50% of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5%. Number 2, in 1900, 90% of Americans were self employed. Now it's about 2%." ruclips.net/video/GH0bRjDzaM0/видео.html
This game taught me many things, I think it's not a game at all, it is more like a wide wision of life in a cloak, and the cloak itself the game. What if every game would be so deep like the KOTOR2
It is a game, just like a movie, song, painting, any art form. And art is used by an artist to communicate ideas, impart wisdom, or simply to share thoughts and unique perspectives. Remember that "art" is a classification, and not a subjective measure of quality.
Papito Qinn I'm only studying english but I think I understand, it is not art cause it's good, it is art because it's meant to be by giving a meaning to it, right?
Almost but not quite. I best definition of art that I've ever gotten was: "The manifestation of creativity." So your creativity is shaped into something tangible.
1:54 This is barely even a drop in the (extremely large) bucket but only one U.S. president has ever fulfilled all of his campaign promises and he is still considered a liar by most (James K. Polk). 6:34 He predicted Russia's invasion of Ukraine four years early.
In the real world we have Leads, Supervisors, Managers, and HR who may serve a similar purpose. Some let it go to their heads and their positions become about exercising power for the sake of power. A very dirty example from this game itself is the Jedi Council. It can be argued that their spiritual red tape and obsession with the "Jedi Way," was the prime mover for Revan's actions in the Mandolarian Wars. Master Vrook's excuses that the Jedi "did not participate" in the war is very upsetting. Rather than stand for something the Jedi hid behind their titles and reputations to excuse themselves from serving the Republic in a critical time.
"Canon", "non-canon", "film-canon", "expanded universe", "Legends". It is funny how much we care about titles and labels and rubber stamps from companies and people on the internet we don't know. And of the titles could have been applied to the KOTOR games from a variety of different people since creation, but at no point have any of those titles changed a single thing about the gameplay, story, depth or quality of the game itself.
Some people really do care quite a bit about titles. To some a certain title can signal quality, superiority, and some people can just build attachments.
Concerning what you said about politicians. i have come to the conclusion that they are little more then actors. like brightly colored or vocal puppets they keep the audience's attentions upon them and their words, their promises. until it is time to collect. then silence falls upon them and their administration. their party and their efforts. losing both interests and attentions deliberately. then they simply wait to begin again and in the backrooms the real negotiations and deals are made.
I used to think like a Jedi. I finally I think I am set free from that. I’m free now. That Herculean task, we did it. At first I thought like a hard-core old-fashioned Jedi. Then I was able to get a little bit more free and think more like Luke, like Luke Skywalker in the expanded universe, not Disney. Leading a reformed Jedi order, a protestant Jedi, where you can have love and happiness and humanity, and instead of a silly Jedi code you just try to do what’s good. Then I got the content about what is in Knights of the old republic one and two. Then I finally learned about Ayn Rand and the difference between benevolence and altruism. And I think I’m free now. The only thing that remains of the Jedi code with Luke, is what he got on Dagobah. Not attacking, not having aggression. And I don’t think that’s correct (you should fight evil and you can attack) but I think he’s the better, with letting people marry and be happy and live human lives of self pursuit and fun as well as doing good. Along with Jolee. These people are not gray Jedi. A gray Jedi is not someone who leaves the order, or even leaves behind the Jedi code. You may not follow the Jedi code but you might still be seeking good for yourself, others, and the universe. You might still be inside the Jedi order, and follow the Jedi code, but you might be a gray Jedi because you do things that are immoral or you don’t care about doing things that are moral. Or you might not care about the galaxy. Whether you are dark or light or gray depends on whether you do what is good or bad or you just don’t do any of that. And not caring about the suffering of others is an evil act so you might even say that there’s only light and dark. If you don’t care about slaves suffering, then that’s evil. Truth is mathematical it reduces itself down to simplicity once you get through all the layers of people try to use to keep you from understanding what they’re really doing. I would say that the Jedi order at large is gray, r dark, and the individual Jedi who defied the order and the code to do what is right, are the ones who are on the light side. Such as Qui Gon Jinn. I realized that as a young child I was thinking and living completely like a Jedi, like a hard-core old-school Jedi not even like a new Jedi order such as Luke. I realized that I was believing in all this philosophy but that it doesn’t match with Jesus or with the Bible or Christianity and it’s not really true, it’s a fictional story it’s not the truth, and because it’s the opposite of what the Bible says then it’s actually incorrect. Even obviously people who don’t believe in Jesus or what the Bible says is true, still can see that the Jedi order and the Jedi code are extremely messed up or even completely faults. We can test and see if the Bible is correct by looking at the morals and philosophies it gives us. We can test and see about the Jedi order to. We can see that Jedism is wrong. I realized that I was altruistic and that that’s not good. God wants us to be benevolent because he is benevolent. He doesn’t have to do everything for everybody, he chooses to because he wants to, because he loves them, he loves them personally, and he loves them completely. He wants to help. It really is hard to change,to remove Star Wars philosophy from yourself. t’s hard to realize that you need to change, it’s hard to realize what it was that was wrong, it’s hard to wake up one day and realize that this was it, this was the problem. This was the philosophy that you needed to identify. What was the specific single idea in your mind that was trapping you to Jedism. But now that I’ve watched the interview of Ayn Rand, and I’ve watched these videos from you, and played the game, I realize that I was a Jedi myself, even though I just mostly watched the original two trilogies and some of the expanded universe books, somehow I became this way. Even though all we’ve got is Yoda on dagobah, that small teaching was enough to create the whole philosophy in a person. Like a seed that grows a tree. And then I played the games and it just became deeper and I understood it. I was 12 to 15 when I realized that I was believing and thinking like a Jedi and if that wasn’t right, that that’s not Christian that’s not what God says, that’s not what’s true. That the religion and philosophy are incorrect, that the Jedi religion-philosophy hurts people, that they are different from what God says is morally true. Also It’s just a story and you shouldn’t give such weight to something that is fictional compared to something that is historical. That these ideas are actually incorrect and false and even immoral. Before then I had that doubt and struggle with what I saw in the Jedi that it was wrong and they were not savibg the slaves or helping or doingn what is good, that their lifestyle was hurting them.. I had to make that mental decision at 15 or so that the force religion, the Jedi religion was not true philosophy of life and somehow I was living and thinking that way. It took me more years to play Knights of the old republic and finally gain New material in the philosophy and understood it. I didn’t fully understand the story until I had thought about it for years. Then it clicked. And then I saw your videos which really filled it out more. Then I watched finally the interview with Ayn Rand and I went free. Now I know that altruism is not from God and that the Jedi code is not from God. I would say there’s nothing in the Jedi code that’s from God except for the ideals such as peace and harmony and knowledge, but the Jedi code is not from God it has a bad way of trying to attain those goals. Using a temptation that comes from God (peace), that makes it a strong deception that attracts people strongly because peace is something we’re supposed to have and it comes from God. So when you tie something true like peace just something so completely evil and messed up like Jediism, then you use a Satanic method to try and get there. And that’s the trap. Altruism is the opposite of what Jesus Christ did, I watched Ayn Rand and I realized that benevolence just matches so perfectly with everything that’s in the Bible. God is benevolent not altruistic. God does what’s good and helps people because he genuinely wants to help them not because he must. God cares and loves, And he helps people out of an abundance bounty that he has for himself, he’s not needy and he’s not poor, he doesn’t have to worry about weakening or losing anything of him self, The only thing he can do is suffer and he chose to do that because he wanted to, he chose it despite not wanting to. He had to weigh his wants. and he wants you to help others out of your abundant bounty, not throwing it away not throwing your life in the fire. So many times God has had to just tell me to just live my life. Just live life. Just go live your life. Just live and be happy. I was too busy focusing on the goal. I have to thank you for making these videos because you really woke me up and helped me. I commented because I’m like the disciple, for all intents and purposes I was a Jedi, and I thought like that, and I had been thinking like that and hopefully I’m not anymore. but maybe somehow I still am, but I think it’s really done after understanding the difference between altruism and benevolence. And it is a Herculean task. It’s a Samsonite task. It’s not easy to have this internal change of heart and mind in philosophy. But God is able to do it and he has done it with me. I am set free from being a Jedi. And I’m not going back. And I am on the light side of the force. God is the light side. The Darkside is merely the absence of God.
PAPITO!!!! i JUST REALIZED SOMETHING. ARREN KAE = KY (LOW) REN they're re-using the name in an attempt to build a grey Jedi storyline.... but have the name only. Their story writing is disastrous.
Perhaps the added "low" is to bring men low. The goal of the feminazi politicians is to destroy men, after all. This is harder than trying to destroy the Force, tbh. Imagine trying to eliminate an entire sex. The 21st century is weird.
What is evil is not subjective. Almighty God has declared what is good and what is evil. God has already given specific answers to specific questions, and principles to answer any situation. If you were arguing and disagreeing and wrestling with God about the issue and resisting him and wrestling him forever, you are sinning against God. Apart from any other content of ideas, if you are disagreeing with God, that is already a sin. If you’re saying that God is wrong, you’re already sinning.. you gave an example. Here’s the answer of God: Murder is wrong, self-defense is right. You say that all violence and all killing is wrong or bad or even evil, that it merely achieves a purpose that might be good. You are coming out of a Japanese perspective (wherever you got it from, that nevertheless is the Japanese perspective) that violence is always bad, that if Jedi or a military fight or kill in the defense of themselves or others or of some good cause, then you’re doing the wrong thing, something bad, for a possibly right reason. You’re saying that you have to make a moral compromise and that it is of course a moral compromise. And that’s not true. You’re mistaken. God says the opposite. You disagree with God. God engages in fights, he even attacks first, for example when God destroyed the Egyptian army that was chasing Moses and the Israelites through the desert, or when God commanded the invasion and destruction of the Philistines because they were committing human sacrifice of children, like the Aztecs did later. You are morally mistaken when you analyze warfare or Jedi self-defense as inherently bad or wrong and only useful for a purpose. You might say that fighting is undesirable, you wish it would not need to happen. that does not make it bad. It does not make it wrong. It does not make it Evil. I am coming to you from God’a Biblical perspective, and you are arguing with God’s perspective. I’m not coming to you from altruism, because I “have to” come from God’s perspective, but because of I willingly want to take God’s perspective because I have analyzed it and I have decided that I believe and personally think that it is correct. If you are saying that good and evil are subjective, then you are disagreeing with and arguing with God. Which itself without any other details, it’s already a sin. It is evil to disagree with God. God is not arrogant. God proclaims the stark and complete truth. Someone who speaks and repeats the word of God that God has already spoken, it’s not arrogant, this person is simply being honest and willing enough to go and speak the truth to you. If you repeat someone else’s words then it’s not really you who is speaking. If you disagree with God you’re already mistaken. Don’t presume too much. You may choose to eternally debate against someone who stands up for objective morality. You may choose to wrestle with them forever and forever and forever, and maybe that means that you are headed to hell where you will wrestle forever and ever and ever and suffer for it. You might try to argue with God forever, but eventually God will just determine that you are unrepentant and make it a decision on you finally. You don’t get as long as you think you do. You don’t get forever to argue God. The Jedi code is a perversion of God’s morals, and we can debate and talk deeply about what it all means and how this mistaken philosophy works in the end, but in the end it is a made up fictional story that has a seriously messed up philosophy that’s really unrighteous, perverted, and deeply harmful to humans at its core. When you have subjective morality you’re also just deeply harming yourself. And we just think of ways to make it (jediism) just slightly better to fix it, but it’s still a bad philosophy. It’s not possible to tweak an inherently false and hurtful philosophy, and evil philosophy, to make it modified just enough to be good. Jediism is evil. It’s sinning against yourself, and humanity, and against God. I mean you can argue me now but you would simply be arguing against the utter and final truth, and it would simply be a sign pointing to your eternal lost sinful hopeless depraved state that you’re wrestling with God and rejecting His truth forever and that leads a person to Hell. I’m not speaking my own opinion here, I’m repeating what God has already spoken in very plain terms. Wake up and smell the roses. Maybe you’re not as close to the kingdom of God as you think. God has one criterion for getting into heaven, that you repent and believe in Jesus Christ. Not that you ever did any good deeds, not that you went to some ritual, or did you attend church, or spoke to some people, or paid any money, or had family that lbelieved” and so you were born to them, or did you have a certain culture, did you believe that Jesus or God existed or were vaguely “true,” or if you intellectually knew something, or went inside some water. But that you believed in the son of God Almighty, that you consented to His morals and His intellectual spiritual truth about everything and anything in the whole universe and world and all ideas, that you agreed with him that you are guilty of sin and deserving of hell and punishment but you want forgiveness and that you accept God’s own willing benevolent sacrifice towards you that he chose to willingly die because he wanted to for you. To save you from your sins and cleanse you of all unrighteousness. And you believe in that, you believe He’a God he’s God the Son, That he’s in human flesh, and that he rose again to life three days later. That he ascended and he’s coming back. That he promises resurrection to those who believe. Do you believe that? It is that belief alone, that choice to believe, to want to gift and to choose to go on that path into the future into eternity with God, to choose that relationship, to repent and consent and believe that saves you, that lets you be born again. And that depends on the idea of God’s own absolute non-subjective morality without addition or subtraction, the complete stark revelation of what is true, What is right, and what is wrong. God reveals this in his Word the Bible. If you are wrestling in rebelling against God disagreeing with him and arguing with him about whether or not morality is subjective, then you have nothing to do with any of this gospel and you’re not saved and you’re not going to heaven. But you could, if you believe in God‘s absolute morality and just recognize that you are a sinner by that standard and that you need a Savior Jesus Christ the Lord. That he came in human flesh, that he’s the son of God and God, but he died for you and Rose again. If you believe that if you except it if you want it, if you open your mouth and embrace it, if you ask God to forgive and Save you, then you’re in.
Hi, (i like your videos on Kotor, but i find this one simplistic) First i have to say that i love Star wars but it's view on life is "Manichean" and over-simplistic with it's light-side and dark-side.(though it's how Star wars universe works and it can never be changed) Our Universe isn't like this. *There is no such thing as good and evil* this precept comes from the weak minded. This is the slave mentality/morality and alot of religions cling on it like a "leech". Struggle and Evolution is what drives the animal kingdom., aswell as humans to do better and to seek some kind of harmony over and on Nature. The forces of Nature are harsh and are there to foreshadow that if you deny or permit the weak to survive they will pass their traits to there descendant and bring decadence on the collective intellectually and/or genetically. to the extreme, Civilizations can collapse aswell as new sickness can occur because of it. The World is about : the "O bjectivity" of *right and wrong* (for Humanity, or the whole of Nature/Life) *True* and *False* are related to those two. And the "Subjectivity of" *better and worse* (for an individual or the care of a group)
To say that evil things must exist because they complement good things(or vice-versa) is like saying "There are democratic countries, so there must also be authoritarian countries in which people have no choice or freedom." No, there really shouldn't. Evil IS subjective and entirely based on your point of view. If you think you are good and your enemy is evil, you yourself are ultimately no better then Atris or Darth Traya. That said, I believe in the strength of the many. That is what I consider to be objectively 'good', while it really is subjective. I also believe that whoever or whatever it is that is causing pain and suffering, must be made to see our way, or destroyed. Because it is ultimately far better for humanity to be happy, than to be suffering because people think it is right, or 'supposed to happen'.
You're right that good and evil is subjective. But how can you determine your own way as being good without defining another as evil? They don't complement each other, the opposite is just necessary, in the philosophical sense. You're example isn't exactly equivalent. The authoritarians in those countries also truly believe that they are doing the right thing, and that they are the good guys. The only way people invented democracy is through experiencing other models of government and decided to try and find a better way. Democracy itself isn't perfect either and people are still trying to figure out way to improve it. It's just the best we can do at the moment. Coincidentally, both its power and its flaw come from the strength of the many that you mentioned.
Hahaha omg I love this shit. ur definitely a tru fan of starwars.......I just hope u don't waste your time with the Disney garbage tho. it's not real starwars
Easter kind of threw my schedule off. I really wanted to get this one out though, so I was up till 3am last night making this one. If I had more time I would rerecorded some scenes so the background music and such wouldn't interfere with the music I laid underneath this video. I hope it isn't too distracting. It was very clever how Kreia covered all her bases to make sure that the Exile travels to Malachor. She's wise, but it shows how intelligent she is as well.
Your video was a good one. Also, I believe that Kreia did not reassume the mantle of Darth Traya. She merely posed as a Dark Jedi Master with a double-bladed purple lightsaber so that she could lie to Darth Sion. She was still Light Side or Neutral, but only with a layer of deception. She then got rid of her layer, while Darth Sion fought Surik, so that she could later test Surik. That way, (s)he will be complete.
"And there must always be a Darth Traya. The galaxy needs its betrayers, especially in the times to come"
This quote said by Kreia at the final encounter in Malachor 5 now makes much more sense, when you see her true meaning with another of her quotes: "To believe in an ideal is to be willing to betray it. It is something no true Jedi or Sith has ever truly done."
It is important to note that when Kreia means betrayal, she means not treachery, but rather a self critical examination of one's beliefs and truths we take as absolute. Or that is what think, at least.
Once again, thank you for these Kreia videos. She still never ceases to suprise us.
Alex Gámez i wonder exactly what ideal kreia was willing to sacrifice for, willing to turn to the dark side in a planned way.
we know her philosphy, so what's the ideal?
Now I kinda understand that Second Quote. I construed "betrayal" in the treacherous way and always found that statement odd. Your remark makes so much more sense to me now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
That's the same thing I was wondering -- what's her ideal? I think this post explains it well: boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5615528&postcount=3
Bakunin her quote can be said for the Jedi and Sith; that’s why she’s critical towards both religious orders of the Force. The ideal she was willing to sacrifice herself for was free will in the hopes that people will stop listening to the Force and make decisions for themselves or die holding onto it.
Her motivation is similar and epitomized through the Nietzsche quote “God is dead,” which is often misinterpreted by its literal phrasing, when in reality it means the belief in Him is dead. Nothing can truly have meaning or value anymore without the people to believe in it.
That’s a good point. Considering that she views opposition as an avenue to make one stronger, her willingness to betray something she believes in makes more sense if it is to make it stronger after her betrayal
"Even Jedi can commit atrocities." (shows Lucien Draay and his group)
I loved that one. :)
Ahh yes the Padawan massacre in the name of “preventing a prophecy” lol
Statement: ahhh again rewatching this series, One of my favorite series.
Its thanks to kreia I stopped taking titles with politics and rather than saying im this or that I say I AM ME. THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE
Human beings are indeed social animals and because of that it's very easy to fall into the tribal mindset. I'm not sure how we would go about doing it, but when it comes to politics, people really need to look towards policy and be unafraid of persuasion. Politicians on the other hand need to also need to focus on what they actually believe instead of what they think they need to be.
Such a conviction bears with it a caveat. No group of people with similar convictions might feel at home because you fear losing your individuality. Humans are a social species which survives and thrives on being communal. Separate from that, and you may start feeling like you belong nowhere at all. Key is to strike a balance between individuality and your convictions, lest you become either a pawn of the biggest player, or self-exiled.
Even then, a title is a label. For instance, when people hear my views on religion, I get a mixed response of “Are you atheist?” “Are you [name of religion]?” My answer is neither; I acknowledge the impact religion has on the human experience (the way I do with mythology, philosophy, art, history and psychology) but I’m not a believer. I used to be a Christian in my teens, but I eventually walked from the faith because at the time, something about it felt lacking. But lately I find myself returning to those Christian leanings and incorporated my life views with that, Buddhism, etc. It’s difficult to explain, but I feel all these beliefs all stem from the fundamental human experience and can be utilized in varying ways.
Ngl i thought it was funny at first when i was talking with Mical and then Kreia interrupts:
J E D I
I would've loved to see Kriea embrace the light side if the Exile turned dark.
Naw that would’ve contradicted Kreia’s character and her true nature as a person. She will contradict people for neutral non-categorical reasons and pretty much criticizes everything.
I found an infinite LS glitch that takes Kreia to Light Side, and that doubles as an infinite XP glitch. Kill Loppak Slusk, then activate his computer, and free the Ithorian. Then, you keep going to the cells camera over and over again.
If you want the glitch, however, get the kill Ithorian mod.
Kreia or traya is not a true jedi or sith lord she is a self professed exile of the force in its pure incarnate entirety as a whole. Sith and Jedi. A contradiction. A true idealist. A mother, or a father in a sense.
At the beginning of quarantine, I began to have an existential crisis specifically about morality, but instead of delving into evil, I delved more into good as well as a difference in culture. Morality itself is a construct of culture and how people interact. While it can be as simple as slurping noodles being rude in America and being a compliment to the chef in Japan are a good example of this. Of course, we can go deeper and make shit up like if there was a culture where killing was the exact same as if we were to propose to someone. Or if it was a way to propose to someone. At that point, while in one society, that would be undeniably evil, because of obvious reasons. I do admit that Kreia did assist me in finding answers, and also leading me into more questions of morality as a whole. That and also, morals tend to change slightly from person to person. Everyone has a line that they're willing to cross in order to take a life. You just need to know what that line is for yourself so that you don't have to cross it for yourself at some point. There are also lines of how much one is willing to give up ones self for someone else. Though instead of finding that line, sometimes you need to draw it. Because at that point there's a personal conflict between morality and self reliance. We all have a limit on how much we will give. Of course it's easily swayed by bonds we share.
Morality comes from God, as does the universe. Nothing exists for no reason. If we exist then something caused us. If the universe exists, then something caused the universe. This is a scientific law, as well as a lot of logic. Nothing can happen without a cost. What you say about morality and culture is not true, because all cultures across the world universally have essentially the same moral standard of honesty courage integrity truthfulness, abstaining from murder and adultery and greed. This comes from the human conscience, and the human conscience comes from God. We were created by God to be good, this is evident in that we have a sense of spirituality. There would be no sense of spirituality in an unspiritual universe. God is out there, and his name is Jesus Christ, and he’s not found through any organization through any group through any church, he’s found in the Bible the word of God. These Star Wars videos affect me deeply. I used to think like a Jedi. I used to be a Jedi in my heart. Until I realized how deeply destructive the Jedi philosophy is and that the whole thing is wrong from beginning to end. God is not altruistic God is benevolent, and he wants us to come out from our mistake and philosophies that hurt us, because he loves us. Because he wants to love us. It’s not what he has to do, it’s who He is and it’s what he wants.
@@banthablasterprime1111 While I do agree that human consciousness is a large factor and that something had to create the universe and everything. I have to disagree about everyone having the same moral standards. For example, let's look at Columbus and his travels to the americas. He had killed thousands of natives in cold blood, and also for what he had considered God, or at the very least he had done it for gold and monetary gain. While I agree that we all are born with very similar values. They are easily shifted and warped by the society we live in. Such things create slavery or perhaps sacrifice of another human being in hopes for better crops. While today most societies morals seem to have some similarities, there are still large differences between many civilizations. We are all born with the same morals, but the culture we bring ourselves up with change our morality greatly. The bible itself has many uses as well, as it's a tool for control as well as liberation. It all just depends on who's reading it and why they spread it. For example, slave owners would read passages from it that would justify the use of other people as property. Though slaves such as Nat Turner would use different passages of the bible to justify their freedom. While it could be the word of God. It's easy to twist these words for personal gain. Whether that's what he wants or not is up to personal interpretation.
Fun fact: In my canon, Vrook Lamar turned to the Dark Side (not in every way, but when his true nature revealed itself), and his benevolence was actually a trap for Meetra Surik. In my canon, he actually threatened Surik by saying *“It Is You And All Those Allied With You That Hide And Must Be Found!”* There is more. He somehow managed to crush all of Kavar’s love and romantic relationships for Meetra Surik, and ZKE’s thoughtfulness and understanding of the failures, along with Vrook blaming Revan (along with every Keanu Reeves-like meatbag that looks like him), Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun, Malak, Kreia (or any old woman with missing left hands or double-bladed lightsabers), Arren Kae (or any old woman who fought with Revan, only to get squashed by the gravity of Malachor V, with her robes somehow ending up in Brianna’s hands), Zhar Lestin, Dorak, and any meatbag who got seduced, killed, or failed their students for everything. It is merely a speculation.
Much like a Boma Beast Vrook held on to only two traits, Stubborness and Anger.
and he was as prone to action as a couch potato.
Favorite video out of the whole series. Got the shop o work in to watch this video. As it makes the most since for those that aren’t into KOTOR
Groovin on the fallout music.
"the exile acted like a jedi, though like a jedi"
Me:
1. all i want is money!
2.oh noe, dis poor lady, "go give urself to slavery" >:(
3.*intense use of rifle blaster*
4. Hates using the force.
5. follower has a red saber
Really glad this question got made into a video! Its nice seeing it all thought out and put into a video, it really explains better what you sent to me in the email! These videos are great, I'll look forwards to whatever comes next.
Great series, thank you for sharing, and please keep them coming!
KOTOR 2 is easily the best game in the SW universe, and is actually what led me to re-watch the movies and explore other material in the franchise. I was surprised it could be so deep and nuanced about the conflicting philosophies, but that's Avellone for you! Thank you for uploading!
I keep coming back to these videos to remember her teachings, and sometimes wonder how her voice actress is doing, I hope shes healthy and well.
Sara Kestelman. Yes, last I checked she was doing fine. Although she is getting up there in age. She's 77.
@@PapitoQinn hopefully we can hear her return to a new project with kreia and get to execute order 77 lol
Watched clone wars season 7 and was reminded of this video
Which episodes and which scenes reminded you of this video regarding titles and function?
@@EricGraham94 honestly I have to go back and watch now it has been a while since I watched that season
Keep these coming man, these are great.
Thanks, I will. Still got some more ideas in my back pocket.
Chad using Fallout 3 music; understands how good it does its job of some very specific themes of "preventable losses" and similar eeriness.
Could you put the music used on the description?
I always thought Kreia reclaimed the title of Darth Traya because the game was rushed. Even with the restored content, Malachor V leaves a bad taste in the mouth. There are so many questions, so few answers. I bet if the developers had more time, we would have more answers. Maybe even Kreia could've been redeemed, just like Atris could be redeemed.
Loved the video. I would love to see video on Fallout New Vegas, how there were no good choice for the battle of Hoover Dam, and that's what made the game so amazing.
Sure thing.
It actually isn't the ingame music. I used footage from videos I uploaded in the past. I record with just the voice and add the music myself. I wanted to rerecord the parts I needed but I also wanted to release this video today. Read the pinned post to find out more.
armandoalcb it's not a matter of being redeemed, she made a conscious decision to turn dark at exactly the time she did, her own ideals were always higher than light / dark. unlike jedi she wouldn't spurn the idea of turning dark to achieve her goals, and unlike sith, she wouldn't turn dark in the pursuit of power.
she originally became sith and became darth traya in order to, as she said, find the contrast to the jedi code she originally started with. she was not serving a lust for power but her philosophical goals.
Sure, she was always serving her philosophical goals and working to a better universe. Whether if the universe would be better without the Force or not, that's what the game discusses.
But did Kreia had to die? Was she really a threat? Or she just died because the game was rushed and they didn't have time to give her and the game a proper ending?
That’s a fair point; given what Kreia said about Atris, they are essentially dark mirrors of one another. I feel either way, if Atris was redeemed or killed by the Exile, Kreia took on the role and function. She does say at Malachor V that the galaxy needs its betrayers.
"I like to think humans are past wars of conquest" - came from 2022 to report that sadly, that is not the case :(
Yeah... I know.
yo you're going to make these sort of philosophical free-thinking videos about deus ex? that game is a treasure trove for stuff like this, looking forward to it man.
love your videos!
2:22 - 3:48 (I’m saving this for later thank you)
Hmm, You're welcome.
Do you have a typed script you would care to share regarding this video?
I have hearing issues, and there is no captioning available. So, I'm sadly missing out on some in this video.
If not, that's fine. I'll just do my best. :)
I'm very sorry to hear that. It's funny because I did have a text/article version of all of these on a blog. But the blog site has since been taken offline. I tried using the wayback machine just now to find it for you but it wasn't archived. I'll see what I can do about adding captions to these. It's something I should do anyway.
@@PapitoQinn Well, first. Thank you for getting back to me. You're awesome.
That was a much quicker response than expected. :)
And secondly. Whether you can or can't, regardless, thank you. Again, awesome! :)
the amount of detail and craftsmanship in kotor 2's writing can be just upsetting sometime. Its only bothers me because i recently went through and did a lot of the story bits of swtor. It has hints of these kinds of concepts and even has a certain pursuable functionality in how parts of the plot unfold later down the line with many of these affect having to do with your...Title. it even changes depending on your moral scale and people will remember your actions when they show up down the line. the games also manages to recall when you spare or kill certain individuals and will play musical enemies accordingly. While nowhere near the complexity i hoped for (im one of those who like fewer but more impactful fights as opposed to endless waves of goons...i know wth was i thinking even going near this game?) but its still growth (if limited) in the direction i was hoping to see. The titles and your character still suffer from the general faceless-genre place holder, but the voice acting was still generally good enough that i still felt a sense of gusto to my actions taken (the sith line is, naturally, well nailed down, altho the jedi line perhaps a little to overly cringey at times? im terrible at judging "good" guy story lines, i fall asleep). But there wasnt that impending feel of Echo from your actions. Even the first kotor built off this idea as you are essentially spending most of the game observing the effects of your own actions (if unknowingly). But swtor doesn't really have this. You dont start out neutral but as one side or another, Light or Dark. It does offer the ability to blur and then switch sides, but Kreia's philosophy is almost absent, at least to my eyes which were far from thorough, mostly cursory. This absence leaves this horrendous vacuum when it comes to a more realistic and true moral complexity. Again hints with your companions can follow the thread for a few conversation but nothing with Kreia's actual depth, complexity or her sense of investment. Its just maddening. Threads are all that have really held, at least when it comes to proving with pudding. But then i watch these videos and my hopes re-inflate, a little. Someone sees what was being attempted and remembers.
...Or that is to say, the Echo still travels.
Thank you, man. I've never played SWTOR, and probably never will. My MMO days are behind me. But it's nice to hear what people have to say about it. The echo this game produced is still traveling, and it's effects have reached other games. But I'm hoping to make it bigger. Hopefully then I can make it travel further.
I'm going to make a series to combat the idea that gaming is a waste of time; and I'd like to link to your work if you don't mind. These philosophical dilemmas are playing themselves out in real time right now in Europe and the US. This is valuable content.
I don't mind at all. I think many people make the mistake of associating the term "art" as being a measure of quality instead of a classification. Art is the manifestation of creativity. That includes video games. I absolutely agree with you that the world is undergoing a challenge right now concerning the differences between titles and function. Ever since I made this video, it's kept coming up and I notice it more. If a hitman is walking around, calling himself a pacifist, that wouldn't make much sense.
Gaming is a waste of time if you play most of the modern online games though :/. Can't really call Kotor gaming because it's literally as good as a smart book. I struggle with addiction atm and I really recommend Cam Adairs take on the subject as well as Stefan Molyneux's.
These are awesome
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy them.
Papito Qinn A good format for your channel could be made out of examining frictional characters philosophys
That is indeed what I want to get to. But I also don't want to stop the cutscene content. I need the source of ideas and the footage.
Papito Qinn do you dislike the Jedi or do you think the Jedi is just a little mis-understood?
What I dislike are extremists. I think Revan was right to try and revolutionize the Jedi into something more balanced. Like the Je'daii order. Despite their failures, their idea was still superior. I also don't think that the Jedi, as a religious organisation, should become an arm of any political administration. Nor do I think that force users should live reclusively. I might have to think about this some more, but I think they can practice force using and balance while being integrated with society. If any threats arise, they can choose to help just like any other citizen.
3:23 I define "evil" as unnecessary selfishness.
About evil: Also Yuthura talks about evil in the cantina of Korriban.
without the actions of evil. good wouldn't know what to destroy
Also without the actions of evil, evil wouldn’t be destroyed, whether by good or by itself.
intent vs impact
I absolutely love the music you selected for this video. Could you tell me where I can find them?
Sure. Check the description.
Malachor V was too short for all the hype it had leading up to it in that game to what basically was raiding a sith academy and staring out the window to see a completely different earlier version of malachor that was an oversight cause you cant look down in that game series.
malachor was a lot more brown with lighting firing faster than a minigun than the green/black borg cube theme we got in the end
A video on Deus Ex...do you have a single piece of evidence to back that up?
I'm gonna assume that this is actually a reference to Deus Ex, and as such, my reply is: "Number one, in 1945 corporations paid 50% of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5%. Number 2, in 1900, 90% of Americans were self employed. Now it's about 2%." ruclips.net/video/GH0bRjDzaM0/видео.html
Papito Qinn I couldn't resist.
But we both know the most meaningful and thought provoking line in the whole game: "A bomb!"
+Noah Fessenden
Yeah, number one: that's te----
This game taught me many things, I think it's not a game at all, it is more like a wide wision of life in a cloak, and the cloak itself the game. What if every game would be so deep like the KOTOR2
It is a game, just like a movie, song, painting, any art form. And art is used by an artist to communicate ideas, impart wisdom, or simply to share thoughts and unique perspectives. Remember that "art" is a classification, and not a subjective measure of quality.
Papito Qinn I'm only studying english but I think I understand, it is not art cause it's good, it is art because it's meant to be by giving a meaning to it, right?
Almost but not quite. I best definition of art that I've ever gotten was: "The manifestation of creativity." So your creativity is shaped into something tangible.
Ohh thank you very much :) I see now
By the way, what do you think about LOTR and the Hobbit movies and the two shadow games ? I always loved Tolkien's world :)
1:54 This is barely even a drop in the (extremely large) bucket but only one U.S. president has ever fulfilled all of his campaign promises and he is still considered a liar by most (James K. Polk).
6:34 He predicted Russia's invasion of Ukraine four years early.
In the real world we have Leads, Supervisors, Managers, and HR who may serve a similar purpose. Some let it go to their heads and their positions become about exercising power for the sake of power.
A very dirty example from this game itself is the Jedi Council. It can be argued that their spiritual red tape and obsession with the "Jedi Way," was the prime mover for Revan's actions in the Mandolarian Wars.
Master Vrook's excuses that the Jedi "did not participate" in the war is very upsetting. Rather than stand for something the Jedi hid behind their titles and reputations to excuse themselves from serving the Republic in a critical time.
6:38 Narrator Voice: The world has not, in fact, progressed past the wars of conquest
You know how humans are.
This is incentive point with evil the actions compared to the outcome purpose verse cuase of the reaction
What music is this? It’s beautiful
All of the music used is listed in the description box. But I'm going to guess that you're referring to "Dreams of Venice."
Assassin Creed II, in Venitia
This shit is bomb
I'll take that as a compliment.
You r videos on Kreia is similar to the Philosophy of Kreia made by a different RUclipsr. I unfortunately forgot his name though :/
He has no name. He watches my videos though.
"Canon", "non-canon", "film-canon", "expanded universe", "Legends". It is funny how much we care about titles and labels and rubber stamps from companies and people on the internet we don't know. And of the titles could have been applied to the KOTOR games from a variety of different people since creation, but at no point have any of those titles changed a single thing about the gameplay, story, depth or quality of the game itself.
Some people really do care quite a bit about titles. To some a certain title can signal quality, superiority, and some people can just build attachments.
Concerning what you said about politicians. i have come to the conclusion that they are little more then actors. like brightly colored or vocal puppets they keep the audience's attentions upon them and their words, their promises. until it is time to collect. then silence falls upon them and their administration. their party and their efforts. losing both interests and attentions deliberately.
then they simply wait to begin again and in the backrooms the real negotiations and deals are made.
There's always a level of theater in politics.
I used to think like a Jedi. I finally I think I am set free from that. I’m free now. That Herculean task, we did it. At first I thought like a hard-core old-fashioned Jedi. Then I was able to get a little bit more free and think more like Luke, like Luke Skywalker in the expanded universe, not Disney. Leading a reformed Jedi order, a protestant Jedi, where you can have love and happiness and humanity, and instead of a silly Jedi code you just try to do what’s good. Then I got the content about what is in Knights of the old republic one and two. Then I finally learned about Ayn Rand and the difference between benevolence and altruism. And I think I’m free now. The only thing that remains of the Jedi code with Luke, is what he got on Dagobah. Not attacking, not having aggression. And I don’t think that’s correct (you should fight evil and you can attack) but I think he’s the better, with letting people marry and be happy and live human lives of self pursuit and fun as well as doing good. Along with Jolee. These people are not gray Jedi. A gray Jedi is not someone who leaves the order, or even leaves behind the Jedi code. You may not follow the Jedi code but you might still be seeking good for yourself, others, and the universe. You might still be inside the Jedi order, and follow the Jedi code, but you might be a gray Jedi because you do things that are immoral or you don’t care about doing things that are moral. Or you might not care about the galaxy. Whether you are dark or light or gray depends on whether you do what is good or bad or you just don’t do any of that. And not caring about the suffering of others is an evil act so you might even say that there’s only light and dark. If you don’t care about slaves suffering, then that’s evil. Truth is mathematical it reduces itself down to simplicity once you get through all the layers of people try to use to keep you from understanding what they’re really doing. I would say that the Jedi order at large is gray, r dark, and the individual Jedi who defied the order and the code to do what is right, are the ones who are on the light side. Such as Qui Gon Jinn. I realized that as a young child I was thinking and living completely like a Jedi, like a hard-core old-school Jedi not even like a new Jedi order such as Luke. I realized that I was believing in all this philosophy but that it doesn’t match with Jesus or with the Bible or Christianity and it’s not really true, it’s a fictional story it’s not the truth, and because it’s the opposite of what the Bible says then it’s actually incorrect. Even obviously people who don’t believe in Jesus or what the Bible says is true, still can see that the Jedi order and the Jedi code are extremely messed up or even completely faults. We can test and see if the Bible is correct by looking at the morals and philosophies it gives us. We can test and see about the Jedi order to. We can see that Jedism is wrong. I realized that I was altruistic and that that’s not good. God wants us to be benevolent because he is benevolent. He doesn’t have to do everything for everybody, he chooses to because he wants to, because he loves them, he loves them personally, and he loves them completely. He wants to help. It really is hard to change,to remove Star Wars philosophy from yourself. t’s hard to realize that you need to change, it’s hard to realize what it was that was wrong, it’s hard to wake up one day and realize that this was it, this was the problem. This was the philosophy that you needed to identify. What was the specific single idea in your mind that was trapping you to Jedism. But now that I’ve watched the interview of Ayn Rand, and I’ve watched these videos from you, and played the game, I realize that I was a Jedi myself, even though I just mostly watched the original two trilogies and some of the expanded universe books, somehow I became this way. Even though all we’ve got is Yoda on dagobah, that small teaching was enough to create the whole philosophy in a person. Like a seed that grows a tree. And then I played the games and it just became deeper and I understood it. I was 12 to 15 when I realized that I was believing and thinking like a Jedi and if that wasn’t right, that that’s not Christian that’s not what God says, that’s not what’s true. That the religion and philosophy are incorrect, that the Jedi religion-philosophy hurts people, that they are different from what God says is morally true. Also It’s just a story and you shouldn’t give such weight to something that is fictional compared to something that is historical. That these ideas are actually incorrect and false and even immoral. Before then I had that doubt and struggle with what I saw in the Jedi that it was wrong and they were not savibg the slaves or helping or doingn what is good, that their lifestyle was hurting them.. I had to make that mental decision at 15 or so that the force religion, the Jedi religion was not true philosophy of life and somehow I was living and thinking that way. It took me more years to play Knights of the old republic and finally gain New material in the philosophy and understood it. I didn’t fully understand the story until I had thought about it for years. Then it clicked. And then I saw your videos which really filled it out more. Then I watched finally the interview with Ayn Rand and I went free. Now I know that altruism is not from God and that the Jedi code is not from God. I would say there’s nothing in the Jedi code that’s from God except for the ideals such as peace and harmony and knowledge, but the Jedi code is not from God it has a bad way of trying to attain those goals. Using a temptation that comes from God (peace), that makes it a strong deception that attracts people strongly because peace is something we’re supposed to have and it comes from God. So when you tie something true like peace just something so completely evil and messed up like Jediism, then you use a Satanic method to try and get there. And that’s the trap. Altruism is the opposite of what Jesus Christ did, I watched Ayn Rand and I realized that benevolence just matches so perfectly with everything that’s in the Bible. God is benevolent not altruistic. God does what’s good and helps people because he genuinely wants to help them not because he must. God cares and loves, And he helps people out of an abundance bounty that he has for himself, he’s not needy and he’s not poor, he doesn’t have to worry about weakening or losing anything of him self, The only thing he can do is suffer and he chose to do that because he wanted to, he chose it despite not wanting to. He had to weigh his wants. and he wants you to help others out of your abundant bounty, not throwing it away not throwing your life in the fire. So many times God has had to just tell me to just live my life. Just live life. Just go live your life. Just live and be happy. I was too busy focusing on the goal. I have to thank you for making these videos because you really woke me up and helped me. I commented because I’m like the disciple, for all intents and purposes I was a Jedi, and I thought like that, and I had been thinking like that and hopefully I’m not anymore. but maybe somehow I still am, but I think it’s really done after understanding the difference between altruism and benevolence. And it is a Herculean task. It’s a Samsonite task. It’s not easy to have this internal change of heart and mind in philosophy. But God is able to do it and he has done it with me. I am set free from being a Jedi. And I’m not going back. And I am on the light side of the force. God is the light side. The Darkside is merely the absence of God.
PAPITO!!!!
i JUST REALIZED SOMETHING.
ARREN KAE = KY (LOW) REN
they're re-using the name in an attempt to build a grey Jedi storyline.... but have the name only. Their story writing is disastrous.
Perhaps the added "low" is to bring men low. The goal of the feminazi politicians is to destroy men, after all. This is harder than trying to destroy the Force, tbh.
Imagine trying to eliminate an entire sex. The 21st century is weird.
Actually it's a reference to this character starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gir_Kybo_Ren-Cha
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 it's all connected ;)
@@sennewam Doubtful. The simplest answer is usually the correct one.
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 Ojalá
Going back to the Jesus Christ example, in gnosticism Judas is the good guy
What is evil is not subjective. Almighty God has declared what is good and what is evil. God has already given specific answers to specific questions, and principles to answer any situation. If you were arguing and disagreeing and wrestling with God about the issue and resisting him and wrestling him forever, you are sinning against God. Apart from any other content of ideas, if you are disagreeing with God, that is already a sin. If you’re saying that God is wrong, you’re already sinning.. you gave an example. Here’s the answer of God: Murder is wrong, self-defense is right. You say that all violence and all killing is wrong or bad or even evil, that it merely achieves a purpose that might be good. You are coming out of a Japanese perspective (wherever you got it from, that nevertheless is the Japanese perspective) that violence is always bad, that if Jedi or a military fight or kill in the defense of themselves or others or of some good cause, then you’re doing the wrong thing, something bad, for a possibly right reason. You’re saying that you have to make a moral compromise and that it is of course a moral compromise. And that’s not true. You’re mistaken. God says the opposite. You disagree with God. God engages in fights, he even attacks first, for example when God destroyed the Egyptian army that was chasing Moses and the Israelites through the desert, or when God commanded the invasion and destruction of the Philistines because they were committing human sacrifice of children, like the Aztecs did later. You are morally mistaken when you analyze warfare or Jedi self-defense as inherently bad or wrong and only useful for a purpose. You might say that fighting is undesirable, you wish it would not need to happen. that does not make it bad. It does not make it wrong. It does not make it Evil. I am coming to you from God’a Biblical perspective, and you are arguing with God’s perspective. I’m not coming to you from altruism, because I “have to” come from God’s perspective, but because of I willingly want to take God’s perspective because I have analyzed it and I have decided that I believe and personally think that it is correct. If you are saying that good and evil are subjective, then you are disagreeing with and arguing with God. Which itself without any other details, it’s already a sin. It is evil to disagree with God. God is not arrogant. God proclaims the stark and complete truth. Someone who speaks and repeats the word of God that God has already spoken, it’s not arrogant, this person is simply being honest and willing enough to go and speak the truth to you. If you repeat someone else’s words then it’s not really you who is speaking. If you disagree with God you’re already mistaken. Don’t presume too much. You may choose to eternally debate against someone who stands up for objective morality. You may choose to wrestle with them forever and forever and forever, and maybe that means that you are headed to hell where you will wrestle forever and ever and ever and suffer for it. You might try to argue with God forever, but eventually God will just determine that you are unrepentant and make it a decision on you finally. You don’t get as long as you think you do. You don’t get forever to argue God. The Jedi code is a perversion of God’s morals, and we can debate and talk deeply about what it all means and how this mistaken philosophy works in the end, but in the end it is a made up fictional story that has a seriously messed up philosophy that’s really unrighteous, perverted, and deeply harmful to humans at its core. When you have subjective morality you’re also just deeply harming yourself. And we just think of ways to make it (jediism) just slightly better to fix it, but it’s still a bad philosophy. It’s not possible to tweak an inherently false and hurtful philosophy, and evil philosophy, to make it modified just enough to be good. Jediism is evil. It’s sinning against yourself, and humanity, and against God. I mean you can argue me now but you would simply be arguing against the utter and final truth, and it would simply be a sign pointing to your eternal lost sinful hopeless depraved state that you’re wrestling with God and rejecting His truth forever and that leads a person to Hell. I’m not speaking my own opinion here, I’m repeating what God has already spoken in very plain terms. Wake up and smell the roses. Maybe you’re not as close to the kingdom of God as you think. God has one criterion for getting into heaven, that you repent and believe in Jesus Christ. Not that you ever did any good deeds, not that you went to some ritual, or did you attend church, or spoke to some people, or paid any money, or had family that lbelieved” and so you were born to them, or did you have a certain culture, did you believe that Jesus or God existed or were vaguely “true,” or if you intellectually knew something, or went inside some water. But that you believed in the son of God Almighty, that you consented to His morals and His intellectual spiritual truth about everything and anything in the whole universe and world and all ideas, that you agreed with him that you are guilty of sin and deserving of hell and punishment but you want forgiveness and that you accept God’s own willing benevolent sacrifice towards you that he chose to willingly die because he wanted to for you. To save you from your sins and cleanse you of all unrighteousness. And you believe in that, you believe He’a God he’s God the Son, That he’s in human flesh, and that he rose again to life three days later. That he ascended and he’s coming back. That he promises resurrection to those who believe. Do you believe that? It is that belief alone, that choice to believe, to want to gift and to choose to go on that path into the future into eternity with God, to choose that relationship, to repent and consent and believe that saves you, that lets you be born again. And that depends on the idea of God’s own absolute non-subjective morality without addition or subtraction, the complete stark revelation of what is true, What is right, and what is wrong. God reveals this in his Word the Bible. If you are wrestling in rebelling against God disagreeing with him and arguing with him about whether or not morality is subjective, then you have nothing to do with any of this gospel and you’re not saved and you’re not going to heaven. But you could, if you believe in God‘s absolute morality and just recognize that you are a sinner by that standard and that you need a Savior Jesus Christ the Lord. That he came in human flesh, that he’s the son of God and God, but he died for you and Rose again. If you believe that if you except it if you want it, if you open your mouth and embrace it, if you ask God to forgive and Save you, then you’re in.
What the fuck does the US military do for the right reasons
Hi, (i like your videos on Kotor, but i find this one simplistic)
First i have to say that i love Star wars but it's view on life is "Manichean" and over-simplistic with it's light-side and dark-side.(though it's how Star wars universe works and it can never be changed)
Our Universe isn't like this.
*There is no such thing as good and evil* this precept comes from the weak minded.
This is the slave mentality/morality and alot of religions cling on it like a "leech".
Struggle and Evolution is what drives the animal kingdom., aswell as humans to do better and to seek some kind of harmony over and on Nature.
The forces of Nature are harsh and are there to foreshadow that if you deny or permit the weak to survive they will pass their traits to there descendant and bring decadence on the collective intellectually and/or genetically. to the extreme, Civilizations can collapse aswell as new sickness can occur because of it.
The World is about :
the "O
bjectivity" of *right and wrong* (for Humanity, or the whole of Nature/Life) *True* and *False* are related to those two.
And the "Subjectivity of" *better and worse*
(for an individual or the care of a group)
To say that evil things must exist because they complement good things(or vice-versa) is like saying "There are democratic countries, so there must also be authoritarian countries in which people have no choice or freedom."
No, there really shouldn't. Evil IS subjective and entirely based on your point of view. If you think you are good and your enemy is evil, you yourself are ultimately no better then Atris or Darth Traya. That said, I believe in the strength of the many. That is what I consider to be objectively 'good', while it really is subjective. I also believe that whoever or whatever it is that is causing pain and suffering, must be made to see our way, or destroyed. Because it is ultimately far better for humanity to be happy, than to be suffering because people think it is right, or 'supposed to happen'.
You're right that good and evil is subjective. But how can you determine your own way as being good without defining another as evil? They don't complement each other, the opposite is just necessary, in the philosophical sense. You're example isn't exactly equivalent. The authoritarians in those countries also truly believe that they are doing the right thing, and that they are the good guys. The only way people invented democracy is through experiencing other models of government and decided to try and find a better way. Democracy itself isn't perfect either and people are still trying to figure out way to improve it. It's just the best we can do at the moment. Coincidentally, both its power and its flaw come from the strength of the many that you mentioned.
Hahaha omg I love this shit. ur definitely a tru fan of starwars.......I just hope u don't waste your time with the Disney garbage tho. it's not real starwars