as a 5th gen baby its pretty cool that i get to learn a bit more about these older monsters from just listening in also i genuinely didnt know you can subside lunastras flames with water weapons lol
I think that the reasons why Lunastra is so annoying in World is because of her wind pressure combined with the way in which her fire attacks function. So many of her attacks have wind pressure that just locks you into that animation for so long and your health will just go down constantly without any flinching. Oh, and god forbid if you just so happen to walking the wrong way when she does her supernova and a flame pit just randomly spawns right behind you. With wind pressure resistance the fight is ok, not good, because then it just feels like it’s missing something and the issues with the random fire pits still persist regardless.
The queen vespoid gets my attention for her being the boss of the literal paralysis demon, could've been better if she'd shown her control over the vespoid
You should check out Bulldrome's Hardcore version from Frontier. They basically just gave him a mohawk and made him huge while adding some decently dangerous new moves. He can now actually change direction mid-charge before flopping over and sliding across the zone like a bean bag.
The lavasioth take is so unbelievably vindicating for me lol. I fell in love with him when I played through GU the first time. I remember being a teen and feeling oddly insecure when I saw people ragging on World's lavasioth so much (I hadn't played through it yet myself and didn't know how different they were). So, thank you, for healing an insecurity that a young nerd had several years ago
I honestly like lava. It is just that, his map doesn’t do him justice. It is supposed to be his map but unlike jyura he can’t do much in his lair. He has a signature attack there but it is mainly just filler. They are good. I fought them a lot and prefer them over jyura and the like
Didn't talk about the Teo Luna bonding attack? Very surprising when it happens for the first time and devastating when it hits. I'd like to see something similar for the Raths.
I agree with everything you said for Rajang, in Rise they made him a lot easier but his theme for me just hits different. It’s mostly the vocals, I’m not gonna lie, that make me like his theme in Rise a little bit more. The instruments too give him this Balinese/Indonesian feel to him, especially since his name comes from the same river in Indonesia. I don’t know if they combine some of the heavy bombastic elements from Iceborne with some of the more traditional instruments and the vocals you got the perfect Rajang theme in my opinion.
I feel like tigrex does really need a tune up, I would like to see them do more mix ups on his triple charge so there isn't just a part of the fight where you run in a circle and wait for him to stop, like a charge with a half tail sweep to trick you up, or maybe his arm sweep into a sideways chimping lunge and then doing a big back hop to set up for his long range options
In my head i've always grouped first and second gen monsters together, probably because all of the og's had gotten carried oder to the second gen games. And then they were almost all scrapped for Tri and only returned partially in future games. But thinking about it now, there really were a lot of Solid monsters in Dos and it's portable Counterparts. Mostly solid, with some... "stinkers" in between but hey, really quite alright
I definitely group them together because Freedom Unite was my first major foray into the first two generations and that game had every monster ever made at the time in it
I knew I couldn't have been the only one with the lavasioth/agnaktor theory!!!! That and your ideas on Kushala are things I didn't think anybody else was thinking, and it's really cool to see someone else put it into words so well! 10/10 video, 10/10 channel honestly. You get it.
Rusted Kushala Daora is a unique monster in Dos as he was limited to the city siege but when he shows up he is accessible to fight in Low Rank with a rank requirement of HR1 (LR elders are restricted to HR20 to join and HR22 to post typically), and for High Rank he is limited to HR31 (the rank High Rank starts at HR elders are restricted to HR38 to join and HR41 post). He had unique material drops in Dos they weren't used for many things but he at least makes funny noises.
Ukanlos reminds me of the monster Shimo from the latest Godzilla movie, both being hulking white reptilian ice monsters with a lot of power behind them. I really hope Him and Akantor make a return in future games, since I only truly got into the series with world I've been dying to fight them in an updated format!
I was wondering if you could add an image of the monster on the popularity polls. The name alone isn't always enough to recall the monster, especially for those that haven't appeared recently.
I unfortunately cannot do 5 options and include images. Stupid thing about RUclips’s polls. Best thing I can do for ya is recommend that ya google the names. Sorry bout that
King Shakalaka is a very unique creature in Dos, he does not have a specific quest to fight him, you have to search for Shaka's in High Rank after killing 3 he has a chance to spawn based on the quest and season. He isn't hard to kill in Dos but is very unique as he has a special carve for the Song of Origins, when played in the Assembly it unlocks access to the Forest and Hills local in MH2 online.
The second generation of Monster Hunter is where I’d argue the series really started to find its identity and how it clicked. The classifications wouldn’t be finalized until much later, but the number of new skeletons added allowed for so many legends of Monster Hunter to be born and cement their legacies. And on the subject of difficulty, I don’t disagree with the notions of monsters like Tigrex, Nargacuga, and Rajang being toned down more in base Rise given that wirebug combat allows for keeping up with them far easier than ever, and they don’t really have tools to compensate. But I love how they were still introduced to me even in their more toned down iterations because I wouldn’t have known about them until I started in Rise, so I can forgive the easier fights. Music wise I can go both ways, it’s a subjective matter, and I love the mixes that people do with the themes in Iceborne and Sunbreak. All in all, second generation owns my heart as the peak of the old style of Monster Hunter, Jank and all, I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone curious what the PSP days were like. That or Portable 3rd, up to you.
11:59 I just found out that King Gajalaka was a mini-boss last month and I’ve been playing World since launch 😭 Really do hope King Shakas/Shakas in general come back someday 😥 (Also Hypnoc looks like it’s being assaulted by Copper in the list 😭)
I just remember when lunastra came to world i had the same problem as rurikhan trying to break her horns it was almost impossible even with the right build.
alright i guess im a bit too hard on lunastra, i have slowly/begrudgingly have started playing her game recently and youre right she is a much better fight when you actually sacrifice a bit and build for her. i started with the world beta (stayed up just repeating those few missions for hours and that nergi is one of the hardest nergi fights imo) so yeah, honestly, i wasnt very used to monsters like her and alatreon so i would literally avoid fighting them because of how annoying they seemed. i was still a young highschooler back then, now im graduating college and have a completely different mindset 😅
Chameleos was cooler in Dos imo when he had the unique mechanic of vocal chord paralysis which doesn't really work on the portable games due to a lack of text based communication.
1:11:31 Though you pointed in your Frontier video that Pariapuria's facial structure has some feline elements to it, and if i remember correctly Dyuragaua is based off those statues of lions with wings, which i believe are called "gargoyles"
@@Sing_LoveWRS Oh yeah, the lions with wings are Manticores. So Dyuragaua is indeed based on a gargoyle, and not on a manticore (lion), therefore not a feline
As someone who has Chameleos as their favorite monster and is massively rooting for further improvements for the fight, I have a few things I'd love to note regarding things I want them to tweak/keep etc. for future entries: - Firstly, I absolutely agree that the regular item steal should return. While they did change this to only being able to steal pollen in Rise, they did add that additional mechanic of being able to flinch him so he drops the pollen for you to be able to pick up again. They could potentially do something similar with the regular item steal, where if you play aggressively enough, you can make him drop the last item stolen and take it back. I think that could be pretty neat. - One of my favorite additions to his kit in Sunbreak is the one where he spews out poison gas while simultaneously backing up and turning 180 degrees. This is such a neat neutral reset option for him, while also having an additional option to deal with foes behind him on top of the tail slam he had since prior. It doesn't even do that much damage, but the damage from the poison it inflicts definitely makes it worth still be cautious of. - Lastly, I think it would be really cool if they gave him the ability to ambush you from walls like he does in the 4U cutscene. I feel like him being able to go invisible and latch on to a wall for a moment before lashing out at you could add a bit of tension, as the player would have to actively scout for him in time before getting jumped. They could also make it so Flash Bombs knock him down or that you could provoke him into attacking earlier by shooting ammo/arrows or firing stuff like slinger pods, instead of having you just sit and wait while he's latched onto the wall. I love the silly guy and will always be happy to see him pop up in any MH game.
Oh boy Shen all of the current Dos players have a love hate relationship with him as he is restricted to the Exam to enter High Rank (which you don't get carves), and can appear in the city and fortress siege but is not guaranteed to show up (we have had gaps of up to 99 days of not seeing him in the siege), which is annoying as you need his materials for some decent weapons and every single Fatalis set.
I've encountered *most* of these monsters and the Gen 1 monsters that got brought back for later entries, like 3U, 4U and GU, but some of these and the Gen 1 monsters I've only fought for the first time recently going back and playing Freedom and Freedom Unite. I never fought Fatalis in Iceborne so my first time fighting Fatalis was early 2024 in Freedom despite starting with Tri about 15 years ago. Playing Freedom Unite now and am having a blast!
I will say while second gen is overall really solid, I also feel it doesn't quite hit the highs of future gens. Even its best have become a bit dull with time, such as Narga, Rajang, Teostra and my favorite of the gen in Chameleos. Like they're cool, but only one of this entire group is in my top 20, 2 if we count Espinas.
I kinda agree, there's definitely some here that have evolved extremely well or are just so well crafted that they held up very well despite not reaching some of the same design and mechanical peaks of 3-5
I completely agree with Nargacuga. I keep saying to my friends that what that monster needs is his own map made FOR him so he can be using the environment against you. It's always his speed they emphasize instead of his STEALTH and Narga is never going to reach his true potential until they lean into both. I think a perfected Nargacuga is going to be a crafty monster who is actively hunting YOU. He should have a very wide aggro radius so he can see you before you see him and that, when he does, his AI actively tries to stay out of your sight. Nargacuga should be stalking you, hiding up in trees and/or in the cover of foliage around you waiting to pounce with lethality. Even when you DO see him and engage him in combat, he is still being avoidant and relying on his speed to get in and out of confrontation with you. Cue the Sonic Bomb. It should still flinch him and still enrage him. IN RAGE, he stops calculating and becomes very aggressive. My idea is that Narga should be in the same camp you described Kirin and Lunastra to be in but the name of the game is Spatial Awareness. I think this needs to be a very tactical hunt where your chief strat is to Sonic Bomb him so that you can lure him AWAY from areas with good cover and obstacles to force him to fight out in the open where you can keep track of his movements better and potentially create traps for HIM to fall into because, if you don't, you're always on the receiving end of his own tricks. I hope this is something Capcom will do for him. Focus on the Stealth aspect. Side note, this can be what would differentiate the Subspecies. That Green Narga could turn into a rush-down attacker who is a much more direct attacker that PREFERS the open space so maybe the trick with him would be to force him into tighter spaces where he can't execute his powerful attacks.
I feel like people have been sayin this about Nargacuga for years. I dunno why he’s gotten so little over so many years. He’s felt som complacent with just bein a pretty good fight for so long
Fun fact about Rajang for MH2 he was only playtested by 1 person and was a "little" overtuned. You can capture him for Grand Tourney(PvP) but they decided to make him hard to obtain in 2 different ways, not only is he a 5% rate to keep him on capture if you are quest host, but you also need to have 50 pvp wins before hand.
The only thing I remember about copper blangonga is that his long sword in mhfu is the strongest longsword in the game. I dont even remember how he fights anymore
Gotta say, I like your format for the vote way more than the official one. Also, Gen 2 is by far my favorite, so better have everyone in S (except Lavasioth)
I always wanted to fight king shakalaka since my first game was 3u and I love Cha-cha and Kayamba but then I saw a video of his hunt and said wow nevermind
There was a quest in fu where you fought king shakalaka in small arena, filled with regular shakalaka. Safe to say my psp almost thrown across the room for how frustrating it was
@@alderwield9636 I'm sure lavasioth could be great, but hypnoc already is great. I'm just sad that I either need to boot up freedom unite or frontier to fight hypnoc again.
Old Fatalis is referred to as White Fatalis in Japanese in MH2 viewable in your bookshelf after you get the title for slaying 30 White Fatalis. His armour also has a unique name being Miraroots which is a popular name Japanese players call him.
- For Rajang in Rise, I think im the only one that is fine cause as the hunter, I felt like I could finally go toe to toe with this speedy behemoth and can finally get all these years of payback! Same thing for any older gen early monsters, in my opinion - For Terra Ceanataur, idk how it would work but its Monster Hunter come on, it should have a dual beam attack! One water from its mouth and a fire beam coming from the Gravios skull - I have sadly never gotten to fight Akantor (if he was in 4th gen then I guess i missed him. also don't know his armor look like), only in 4th gen did I fight Ukanlos which is one of my fave cause when I think of Monster these guys fit all the bills cause of their sheer size! I want them always in the games! Especially now with current gen!
Honestly Bulldrome looks more like a regular boar than Vespoid queen looks like a mosquito. Even if their silouhettes look like wasps from afar If you zoom in on vespoid's features they don't look that much like any real life bugs. I don't think her design is the problem. The giant red abdomen, the rainbow wings and the golden crown like spikes on her back are enough. With a good moveset and graphics would be a good introductory neopteron on the level of velocidrome or bulldrome
I have mixed feelings on Nargacuga - on one hand I feel like I should love him based on his edgelord aesthetic (because I too like edgy things), but the first time I fought him kind of put me off. For context I was in late low rank 4U, easily going through tigrexes and gore magala etc, when I got Rise. Low rank Nargacuga in rise was painful, the jump from 4U to rise giving me a bit of misplaced confidence didn’t help, and that kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Later on I bought GU and I like him a lot better in that game - he’s easier to read, I like the blue highlights on his fur (in general I think his older designs look better than 5th gen narg, not a fan of how they beefed him up - he’s an ambush predator, he should be lithe and skinny), and his music is also better imo.
Chameleos has had some of his gimmicks weakened in Rise, stealing, and stamina depletion gas, I think the belly flop move makes him way too easy, and I think would really benefit from a world type game that let him do more passively to really explore the personality. So I think there's some stuff Rise did that I would absolutely reverse. Ukanlos I think could be argued could slot into top tier he really doesn't have many problems but I think you could push for more varied attacks with the chin and ice beam. The Congas are pretty great with some fun environment interactions, I think they pull off comedy in a monster move set very well without anthropomorphizing, they can be dangerous with their status variety, stench in of itself is a threatening debuff, and I think they're excellent at teaching you move prediction and waiting for opportunities to strike. And even without my personal opinion Teostra and Lunastra are incredibly well developed with a need to learn how they're fire mechanics work, the ability to counter, interrupt and, delay their novas, and they developed a considerable variety of physical and ranged attacks that elevates them far above their charge spamming second generation selves
@@cr-volcanic I don’t think chamy was weakened in rise at all it would not make sense for it to steel items at all in rise as we could just go restock so the real threat of that gimmick was gone and for the belly slam it’s danger comes from how easily he can combo into it and how much damage it does u are rewarded for dodging it with a big opening. I just don’t think congalala is good enough to be in that tier sure he’s funny but I just thinks he’s an ok monster. And teostra and lunastra are a personal thing for me I just think they don’t look cool and find there fights to be at there best ok and at their worst horrible. Tho I will admit I do like Risen teo he fixed a lot of problems I had with teostra the white fur and burning blue claws in contrast to the burnt red and orange body look so nice.
I can respect that. As I said, if there's really any issues with Akantor, its that he is very much big demon Tigrex. But only somewhat, there's enough to Akantor that breaks away, especially as of 4th genertion. And that's a really good foundation so there's not much to complain about. I have a personal love of Tigrex as well due to history with him and his inception as a sort of ultimate predator whilst being fairly grounded.
@@cr-volcanic alright, ill concede since you gave such a compelling and well thought out argument. also you praised lunastra, and i appreciate that because i love her
Tigrex is so overrated imo The design is mid, uneventful and not threatning at all for a monster of its caliber. Its theme is meh, its combat is boring, its armor and weapons are never anything of note, its entire thing is being a brute, nothing else, and its ecology is boring too. And therefore I will never understand the crazy amount of love it gets. Is it nostalgia? Am I missing something? I genuinely wonder. Edit: Tigrex above Nargacuga is heresy I say! 😂
I kinda like how simple it is, I like its forelimbs and the way it scrambles toward the hunter with abandon. It’s like a MH version of a T-Rex, as opposed to Anjanath which is like a direct translation of a T-Rex with some MH stank thrown on top.
as a 5th gen baby its pretty cool that i get to learn a bit more about these older monsters from just listening in
also i genuinely didnt know you can subside lunastras flames with water weapons lol
king shakalaka and queen vespoid are the only ones who could be called "fundemental phenomenon" and you know it
I think that the reasons why Lunastra is so annoying in World is because of her wind pressure combined with the way in which her fire attacks function. So many of her attacks have wind pressure that just locks you into that animation for so long and your health will just go down constantly without any flinching. Oh, and god forbid if you just so happen to walking the wrong way when she does her supernova and a flame pit just randomly spawns right behind you. With wind pressure resistance the fight is ok, not good, because then it just feels like it’s missing something and the issues with the random fire pits still persist regardless.
The queen vespoid gets my attention for her being the boss of the literal paralysis demon, could've been better if she'd shown her control over the vespoid
There's ways to make her work if someone wanted to put the effort in
Yeah! Pikmin 3 scornet maestro style
You should check out Bulldrome's Hardcore version from Frontier. They basically just gave him a mohawk and made him huge while adding some decently dangerous new moves. He can now actually change direction mid-charge before flopping over and sliding across the zone like a bean bag.
Oh this sounds hilarious, i cant wait
For a sec i thought this was another Austin featured video and I was like- "wait, hasn't Austin seen these already?" Now i'm caught up
The lavasioth take is so unbelievably vindicating for me lol. I fell in love with him when I played through GU the first time.
I remember being a teen and feeling oddly insecure when I saw people ragging on World's lavasioth so much (I hadn't played through it yet myself and didn't know how different they were). So, thank you, for healing an insecurity that a young nerd had several years ago
I honestly like lava. It is just that, his map doesn’t do him justice. It is supposed to be his map but unlike jyura he can’t do much in his lair. He has a signature attack there but it is mainly just filler. They are good. I fought them a lot and prefer them over jyura and the like
Didn't talk about the Teo Luna bonding attack? Very surprising when it happens for the first time and devastating when it hits.
I'd like to see something similar for the Raths.
Damn dawg you’re right. Lmao. I don’t script these so I’mi occasionally miss some shit
Man I thought you haven't uploaded for a while. Turns out yt just didn't tell me you uploaded for a whole month.
Dunno man. RUclips be like that sometimes
I agree with everything you said for Rajang, in Rise they made him a lot easier but his theme for me just hits different. It’s mostly the vocals, I’m not gonna lie, that make me like his theme in Rise a little bit more. The instruments too give him this Balinese/Indonesian feel to him, especially since his name comes from the same river in Indonesia. I don’t know if they combine some of the heavy bombastic elements from Iceborne with some of the more traditional instruments and the vocals you got the perfect Rajang theme in my opinion.
I feel like tigrex does really need a tune up, I would like to see them do more mix ups on his triple charge so there isn't just a part of the fight where you run in a circle and wait for him to stop, like a charge with a half tail sweep to trick you up, or maybe his arm sweep into a sideways chimping lunge and then doing a big back hop to set up for his long range options
Some great ideas, and I fully agree, Tigrex is a fantastic monster just waiting on that Rise Rathalos adrenaline shot
I love these rankings, impatiently waiting for Gen 3 and 4 because for me those are the best ones in terms of monster design.
Ha! Well gimme a little bit of time cuz I like to spread these out a tad. But you’ll most certainly get them
In my head i've always grouped first and second gen monsters together, probably because all of the og's had gotten carried oder to the second gen games. And then they were almost all scrapped for Tri and only returned partially in future games.
But thinking about it now, there really were a lot of Solid monsters in Dos and it's portable Counterparts. Mostly solid, with some... "stinkers" in between but hey, really quite alright
I definitely group them together because Freedom Unite was my first major foray into the first two generations and that game had every monster ever made at the time in it
I would love to see Akantor and Ukanlos in Wilds. I think as a title update duo would fit them well
I’d be over the moon seeing them back. I miss those two
I knew I couldn't have been the only one with the lavasioth/agnaktor theory!!!! That and your ideas on Kushala are things I didn't think anybody else was thinking, and it's really cool to see someone else put it into words so well! 10/10 video, 10/10 channel honestly. You get it.
Rusted Kushala Daora is a unique monster in Dos as he was limited to the city siege but when he shows up he is accessible to fight in Low Rank with a rank requirement of HR1 (LR elders are restricted to HR20 to join and HR22 to post typically), and for High Rank he is limited to HR31 (the rank High Rank starts at HR elders are restricted to HR38 to join and HR41 post). He had unique material drops in Dos they weren't used for many things but he at least makes funny noises.
Ukanlos reminds me of the monster Shimo from the latest Godzilla movie, both being hulking white reptilian ice monsters with a lot of power behind them. I really hope Him and Akantor make a return in future games, since I only truly got into the series with world I've been dying to fight them in an updated format!
Thank you for doing the poll project man I was pretty bummed about missing the capcom 20th anniversary poll
I'm glad people are enjoying it. It's gonna be a lot of fun
I was wondering if you could add an image of the monster on the popularity polls. The name alone isn't always enough to recall the monster, especially for those that haven't appeared recently.
I unfortunately cannot do 5 options and include images. Stupid thing about RUclips’s polls. Best thing I can do for ya is recommend that ya google the names. Sorry bout that
The Thunderbugs are a menace in the Dos version of Yama, he can spawn a LOT of them (cut in FU due to hardware limitations).
King Shakalaka is a very unique creature in Dos, he does not have a specific quest to fight him, you have to search for Shaka's in High Rank after killing 3 he has a chance to spawn based on the quest and season. He isn't hard to kill in Dos but is very unique as he has a special carve for the Song of Origins, when played in the Assembly it unlocks access to the Forest and Hills local in MH2 online.
The second generation of Monster Hunter is where I’d argue the series really started to find its identity and how it clicked. The classifications wouldn’t be finalized until much later, but the number of new skeletons added allowed for so many legends of Monster Hunter to be born and cement their legacies. And on the subject of difficulty, I don’t disagree with the notions of monsters like Tigrex, Nargacuga, and Rajang being toned down more in base Rise given that wirebug combat allows for keeping up with them far easier than ever, and they don’t really have tools to compensate. But I love how they were still introduced to me even in their more toned down iterations because I wouldn’t have known about them until I started in Rise, so I can forgive the easier fights. Music wise I can go both ways, it’s a subjective matter, and I love the mixes that people do with the themes in Iceborne and Sunbreak. All in all, second generation owns my heart as the peak of the old style of Monster Hunter, Jank and all, I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone curious what the PSP days were like. That or Portable 3rd, up to you.
I have the same scrapped Agnaktor theory
It fuckin makes sense man
11:59 I just found out that King Gajalaka was a mini-boss last month and I’ve been playing World since launch 😭
Really do hope King Shakas/Shakas in general come back someday 😥
(Also Hypnoc looks like it’s being assaulted by Copper in the list 😭)
I just remember when lunastra came to world i had the same problem as rurikhan trying to break her horns it was almost impossible even with the right build.
2:30 Seltas queen uses stench and it is probably the strongest monster with it both in lore and gameplay
Thirsty Pariapuria has stench
True true, I forgot she uses stench. Probably because its not a major offensive component of her kit
@@cr-volcanic though she spams it a lot as a "get off me" attack
alright i guess im a bit too hard on lunastra, i have slowly/begrudgingly have started playing her game recently and youre right she is a much better fight when you actually sacrifice a bit and build for her. i started with the world beta (stayed up just repeating those few missions for hours and that nergi is one of the hardest nergi fights imo) so yeah, honestly, i wasnt very used to monsters like her and alatreon so i would literally avoid fighting them because of how annoying they seemed. i was still a young highschooler back then, now im graduating college and have a completely different mindset 😅
Chameleos was cooler in Dos imo when he had the unique mechanic of vocal chord paralysis which doesn't really work on the portable games due to a lack of text based communication.
1:11:31 Though you pointed in your Frontier video that Pariapuria's facial structure has some feline elements to it, and if i remember correctly Dyuragaua is based off those statues of lions with wings, which i believe are called "gargoyles"
Yeah fair I think my brain affiliated Dyuragaua more with canines, especially the face
@@cr-volcanic and he kinda barks too
Lions with wings? Like... Manticore?
@@Sing_LoveWRS Oh yeah, the lions with wings are Manticores. So Dyuragaua is indeed based on a gargoyle, and not on a manticore (lion), therefore not a feline
As someone who has Chameleos as their favorite monster and is massively rooting for further improvements for the fight, I have a few things I'd love to note regarding things I want them to tweak/keep etc. for future entries:
- Firstly, I absolutely agree that the regular item steal should return. While they did change this to only being able to steal pollen in Rise, they did add that additional mechanic of being able to flinch him so he drops the pollen for you to be able to pick up again. They could potentially do something similar with the regular item steal, where if you play aggressively enough, you can make him drop the last item stolen and take it back. I think that could be pretty neat.
- One of my favorite additions to his kit in Sunbreak is the one where he spews out poison gas while simultaneously backing up and turning 180 degrees. This is such a neat neutral reset option for him, while also having an additional option to deal with foes behind him on top of the tail slam he had since prior. It doesn't even do that much damage, but the damage from the poison it inflicts definitely makes it worth still be cautious of.
- Lastly, I think it would be really cool if they gave him the ability to ambush you from walls like he does in the 4U cutscene. I feel like him being able to go invisible and latch on to a wall for a moment before lashing out at you could add a bit of tension, as the player would have to actively scout for him in time before getting jumped. They could also make it so Flash Bombs knock him down or that you could provoke him into attacking earlier by shooting ammo/arrows or firing stuff like slinger pods, instead of having you just sit and wait while he's latched onto the wall.
I love the silly guy and will always be happy to see him pop up in any MH game.
Oh boy Shen all of the current Dos players have a love hate relationship with him as he is restricted to the Exam to enter High Rank (which you don't get carves), and can appear in the city and fortress siege but is not guaranteed to show up (we have had gaps of up to 99 days of not seeing him in the siege), which is annoying as you need his materials for some decent weapons and every single Fatalis set.
If C R A B isnt up high we will riot.
Austin would disagree
Which C R A B ?
we got some high up crabs
@@cr-volcanic I won't riot then
I've encountered *most* of these monsters and the Gen 1 monsters that got brought back for later entries, like 3U, 4U and GU, but some of these and the Gen 1 monsters I've only fought for the first time recently going back and playing Freedom and Freedom Unite. I never fought Fatalis in Iceborne so my first time fighting Fatalis was early 2024 in Freedom despite starting with Tri about 15 years ago. Playing Freedom Unite now and am having a blast!
I will say while second gen is overall really solid, I also feel it doesn't quite hit the highs of future gens. Even its best have become a bit dull with time, such as Narga, Rajang, Teostra and my favorite of the gen in Chameleos. Like they're cool, but only one of this entire group is in my top 20, 2 if we count Espinas.
I kinda agree, there's definitely some here that have evolved extremely well or are just so well crafted that they held up very well despite not reaching some of the same design and mechanical peaks of 3-5
I completely agree with Nargacuga. I keep saying to my friends that what that monster needs is his own map made FOR him so he can be using the environment against you. It's always his speed they emphasize instead of his STEALTH and Narga is never going to reach his true potential until they lean into both.
I think a perfected Nargacuga is going to be a crafty monster who is actively hunting YOU. He should have a very wide aggro radius so he can see you before you see him and that, when he does, his AI actively tries to stay out of your sight. Nargacuga should be stalking you, hiding up in trees and/or in the cover of foliage around you waiting to pounce with lethality. Even when you DO see him and engage him in combat, he is still being avoidant and relying on his speed to get in and out of confrontation with you.
Cue the Sonic Bomb.
It should still flinch him and still enrage him. IN RAGE, he stops calculating and becomes very aggressive. My idea is that Narga should be in the same camp you described Kirin and Lunastra to be in but the name of the game is Spatial Awareness. I think this needs to be a very tactical hunt where your chief strat is to Sonic Bomb him so that you can lure him AWAY from areas with good cover and obstacles to force him to fight out in the open where you can keep track of his movements better and potentially create traps for HIM to fall into because, if you don't, you're always on the receiving end of his own tricks.
I hope this is something Capcom will do for him. Focus on the Stealth aspect.
Side note, this can be what would differentiate the Subspecies. That Green Narga could turn into a rush-down attacker who is a much more direct attacker that PREFERS the open space so maybe the trick with him would be to force him into tighter spaces where he can't execute his powerful attacks.
I feel like people have been sayin this about Nargacuga for years. I dunno why he’s gotten so little over so many years. He’s felt som complacent with just bein a pretty good fight for so long
Fun fact about Rajang for MH2 he was only playtested by 1 person and was a "little" overtuned. You can capture him for Grand Tourney(PvP) but they decided to make him hard to obtain in 2 different ways, not only is he a 5% rate to keep him on capture if you are quest host, but you also need to have 50 pvp wins before hand.
Vespoid Queen first appeared in Freedom 2 through an event quest.
I honestly did not see or remember Copper Blanggonga on the 20th anniv list
Bottom 10
@@cr-volcanic that;s the thing, I remember Steel uragaan, rust duramboros and desert seltas being there except for him
The only thing I remember about copper blangonga is that his long sword in mhfu is the strongest longsword in the game. I dont even remember how he fights anymore
Lunastra mah beloved, one of my favorites fights in World
Will 3rd Gen be its own tier video or will you do 3 and 4 at the same time?
One for each
Awesome. Cannot wait.@@cr-volcanic
Gotta say, I like your format for the vote way more than the official one. Also, Gen 2 is by far my favorite, so better have everyone in S (except Lavasioth)
I’m so far having a blast running this project. Gonna be a fun year
Yes love your videos!
Thank you!
I always wanted to fight king shakalaka since my first game was 3u and I love Cha-cha and Kayamba but then I saw a video of his hunt and said wow nevermind
Its a very odd fight with like three attacks. Cha Cha and Kayamba did a lot of good for the Shakalaka as a whole
There was a quest in fu where you fought king shakalaka in small arena, filled with regular shakalaka. Safe to say my psp almost thrown across the room for how frustrating it was
Oh man hopefully wilds brought back hypnocatrice, if you can have pukei as early status monster, then you can have hypnoc too
I would be very happy to see Hypnocatrice expanded on
I wish hypnoc was in gen instead of lavasioth
@@Officewaffle lavasioth was in world too. Idk why capcom love fish that 90% of the players seems to hate
@@alderwield9636 I'm sure lavasioth could be great, but hypnoc already is great. I'm just sad that I either need to boot up freedom unite or frontier to fight hypnoc again.
@@Officewaffle true true, wholeheartedly agree
Old Fatalis is referred to as White Fatalis in Japanese in MH2 viewable in your bookshelf after you get the title for slaying 30 White Fatalis. His armour also has a unique name being Miraroots which is a popular name Japanese players call him.
Aww man, already a second in and I already know there's some kinda sketchy stuff with a red manticore at the top
Legit, they keep making my favorite monster really fucking good, and that ain't my fault
@@cr-volcanic I call favoritism!!!
@@hawkevery probably not completely inaccurate but I absolutely made sure to explain my reasoning
I need 3rd generation ranking
In due time
Congalala.
- For Rajang in Rise, I think im the only one that is fine cause as the hunter, I felt like I could finally go toe to toe with this speedy behemoth and can finally get all these years of payback! Same thing for any older gen early monsters, in my opinion
- For Terra Ceanataur, idk how it would work but its Monster Hunter come on, it should have a dual beam attack! One water from its mouth and a fire beam coming from the Gravios skull
- I have sadly never gotten to fight Akantor (if he was in 4th gen then I guess i missed him. also don't know his armor look like), only in 4th gen did I fight Ukanlos which is one of my fave cause when I think of Monster these guys fit all the bills cause of their sheer size! I want them always in the games! Especially now with current gen!
Honestly Bulldrome looks more like a regular boar than Vespoid queen looks like a mosquito. Even if their silouhettes look like wasps from afar If you zoom in on vespoid's features they don't look that much like any real life bugs.
I don't think her design is the problem. The giant red abdomen, the rainbow wings and the golden crown like spikes on her back are enough.
With a good moveset and graphics would be a good introductory neopteron on the level of velocidrome or bulldrome
Another pretty good list. Though for I absolutely loaf Rajang and Kungalala so both would be pushed down a tier for me.
20:17 Also Seltas Queen uses it!
Seltas Queen can do the soiled effect and is way stronger of a monster than Conga or Uragaan
They should have multi headed monsters in a new game
I have mixed feelings on Nargacuga - on one hand I feel like I should love him based on his edgelord aesthetic (because I too like edgy things), but the first time I fought him kind of put me off. For context I was in late low rank 4U, easily going through tigrexes and gore magala etc, when I got Rise. Low rank Nargacuga in rise was painful, the jump from 4U to rise giving me a bit of misplaced confidence didn’t help, and that kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Later on I bought GU and I like him a lot better in that game - he’s easier to read, I like the blue highlights on his fur (in general I think his older designs look better than 5th gen narg, not a fan of how they beefed him up - he’s an ambush predator, he should be lithe and skinny), and his music is also better imo.
Put ukanlos and chamy at the top and move both teo, Luna and both congas into a bit weak and you got yourself a deal
Chameleos has had some of his gimmicks weakened in Rise, stealing, and stamina depletion gas, I think the belly flop move makes him way too easy, and I think would really benefit from a world type game that let him do more passively to really explore the personality. So I think there's some stuff Rise did that I would absolutely reverse. Ukanlos I think could be argued could slot into top tier he really doesn't have many problems but I think you could push for more varied attacks with the chin and ice beam. The Congas are pretty great with some fun environment interactions, I think they pull off comedy in a monster move set very well without anthropomorphizing, they can be dangerous with their status variety, stench in of itself is a threatening debuff, and I think they're excellent at teaching you move prediction and waiting for opportunities to strike. And even without my personal opinion Teostra and Lunastra are incredibly well developed with a need to learn how they're fire mechanics work, the ability to counter, interrupt and, delay their novas, and they developed a considerable variety of physical and ranged attacks that elevates them far above their charge spamming second generation selves
@@cr-volcanic I don’t think chamy was weakened in rise at all it would not make sense for it to steel items at all in rise as we could just go restock so the real threat of that gimmick was gone and for the belly slam it’s danger comes from how easily he can combo into it and how much damage it does u are rewarded for dodging it with a big opening. I just don’t think congalala is good enough to be in that tier sure he’s funny but I just thinks he’s an ok monster. And teostra and lunastra are a personal thing for me I just think they don’t look cool and find there fights to be at there best ok and at their worst horrible. Tho I will admit I do like Risen teo he fixed a lot of problems I had with teostra the white fur and burning blue claws in contrast to the burnt red and orange body look so nice.
Such a ripoff that the top three monsters in the popularity poll weren't Bulldrome, King Shakalaka, and Vespoid Queen. We were ROBBED I tell you.
Akantor is just better tigrex
I can respect that. As I said, if there's really any issues with Akantor, its that he is very much big demon Tigrex. But only somewhat, there's enough to Akantor that breaks away, especially as of 4th genertion. And that's a really good foundation so there's not much to complain about. I have a personal love of Tigrex as well due to history with him and his inception as a sort of ultimate predator whilst being fairly grounded.
crazy take
I like your vids a lot man, but for the love of God you don't have to say "in and of itself" every time you simply mean/need to say "itself" 😂
all I'm going to say is that Tigrex is a bit over rated
"lavasioth is a cool monster" im banning you from youtube
@@cynicalgold9992 nah
@@cr-volcanic alright, ill concede since you gave such a compelling and well thought out argument. also you praised lunastra, and i appreciate that because i love her
Tigrex is so overrated imo
The design is mid, uneventful and not threatning at all for a monster of its caliber. Its theme is meh, its combat is boring, its armor and weapons are never anything of note, its entire thing is being a brute, nothing else, and its ecology is boring too.
And therefore I will never understand the crazy amount of love it gets. Is it nostalgia? Am I missing something? I genuinely wonder.
Edit: Tigrex above Nargacuga is heresy I say! 😂
When did you first fight Tigrex? What game?
Also its fight was awful before gen 5 imo
Idk, the chase thing he does is pretty iconic
I kinda like how simple it is, I like its forelimbs and the way it scrambles toward the hunter with abandon. It’s like a MH version of a T-Rex, as opposed to Anjanath which is like a direct translation of a T-Rex with some MH stank thrown on top.
I like the design but the fight is absolutely awful, even if they just replaced its moveset with brute's you get a much better fight