@@CruiseadersOfChristwhy does it matter? When people do podcasts especially involving political or religious topics they tend to want their content to get out to more viewers. If said person genuinely believes what they are saying to be the truth then why wouldn’t that matter?
@@CrowdJusticeUS Parasites cannot be offspring or the same species, so you're just wrong. Quoting scripture at me is the actual loony bin shit, considering I actually know if the contents of the Bible and understand the Catholic faith quite well. Adam's creation is not how the overwhelming majority of Humans are created. Even if we are to use the Bible and the teachings of God to find the beginning of human life, you still cannot refer to a baby in the womb as a parasite. The "breath of life" does not refer to air. It refers to a supernatural force that god has bestowed upon humanity. As for quoting scriptures. 1. Psalm 139:13-16- "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." 2. Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." 3. Luke 1:41, 44 - "When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy." Cherry Picking the Bible during an argument of basic biology is really foolish, especially when, in actuality, conception is when even Catholics consider human life to begin. I'd say nice try, but you're a dumbfuck.
@@CrowdJusticeUS 1. Psalm 139:13-16- "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." 2. Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." 3. Luke 1:41, 44 - "When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy." Nice try, I think? Biology aside, God disagrees with your cherry picked nonsense. Also, Adam's creation was wholly unique from every other human, given he would be the first human.
Wow. To equate an unborn child to a tumor is not only sickening but also illogical. Yes, they are both comprised of cells, but one has the potential to develop into an independent life. Calling the child a "disease"? That's beyond comprehension.
All they have is poor rationalizations and coping mechanisms to alleviate their guilty conscience. They know abortions are horrible and evil, but they want them anyway, so they feign ignorance.
Agreed! sickening and illogical. I'd like to point out that the meaning of independent that I think you're implying (ie. not needing other people to live) isn't even something the vast majority of people in the world today are or could be. Most of us would die without the support of society.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt the fetus is a mutualistic symbiont, not a parasite. Fetal cells pass from the fetus to the mother during pregnancy to repair damaged cells in the mother. This is a symbiotic relationship, not a parasitic relationship.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6ttdude just stop you sound ridiculous. A human fetus isn’t a parasite. Parasites are never the same specie as the host to begin with. You’re dehumanizing the hell out of human infants in the womb to justify that abortion isn’t killing a human being. Hitler dehumanized Jews, white Americans in power dehumanized black people and it justified doing atrocious acts to them.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt the fetus has FULL SET of HUMAN DNA distinct from both biological father and mother, and alive...a corpse is NOT alive anymore...I know you have a tiny brain, but surely you can understand the difference...
My late dad was the same way, ish. Wouldn't really get mad, but he wouldn't want to be interrupted while saying something, yet had no problem with interrupting others. There were a few times I'd have to say "let me finish" beforehand, so he'd hear the entirety of what I had to say. He did the same thing with Robert Breaker's video sermons. As soon as he heard one thing that he didn't agree with, he'd have me pause it right then so he could comment on it.
I would bet, based on the level of ignorance and indefensible, insufferable nastiness, that her mother is the same. Divorced, man-hating mothering created this vile and callous angry woman.
@@corvanna44381000 women were brave enough to risk their own lives for their children. Bravo to them. That used to be looked at as good mothers. Sacrificial love used to be the highest form of love. Now we call mothers that kill their children intentionally smart women and self love is the best love. And these same people claim everyone is greedy while being the most greedy.
I think A good point to keep in mind when a proAbortion person says “abortion should be legal if a woman doesn’t want to give birth”, is to remind them that once a woman is pregnant, the baby has to come out anyway.. all abortion does is ensure the baby comes out dead. Birth is inescapable once conception happens- it’s just a matter of whether it’ll be 9mo birth, C-section, premature birth, or miscarriage, etc.
Huh, I never thought of it that way, but it is a valid point. In a way, it reminds me of what Chief Hekarroh said in Horizon Forbidden West. He says he counts the bodies of Marshals slain at the Embassy, he counts thousands more that hang in the balance, the he will fight for them. And so will Aloy if she wants access to the chamber below. Then she asks by that logic, what's to stop her from just killing him and taking what she needs? And in response to that, Hekarroh says "you can try. You may even succeed. Either way, you must fight. My way will hold off Regallah, and the slaughter she craves."
What “comes out” at two weeks vs. what “comes out” at seven months (much less nine) do not have the same moral significance to most people. I realize that some religious people claim it’s all the same, and that’s where they lose people.
@@bhz8947 sure, I can agree that people’s view of the unborn’s moral significance will vary based on their level of development (2weeks v 7months). However, my point is that some people say “I don’t want to give birth”, or claim the “forced-birth” argument, yet they miss the fact that once a woman is pregnant, birth is inescapable; The baby will HAVE to come out, in some form or fashion, eventually. It’s like some people see Abortion almost like a Thanos snap that just makes the baby fade away thus avoiding birth, but that’s just not accurate.
@@bhz8947I would bet that deep down, it has moral significance, they just bury it. I know three young women who struggle to this day with their past abortions. And these were in the first trimester. They know it’s life and they know it’s their offspring. For some people, because the unborn human doesn’t *look* like a baby, they can try to block it from their mind, but I wonder how many lifelong emotional traumas lie hidden.
@@Michael-yl2iq THANK you. People just don’t want to face their realities and instead look for ways around it. We don’t talk enough about what happens AFTER an abortion for most women. Might change some minds around here too. Just sayin’.
@@1cheyanimal Thanks, that is a strong vocal position my wife takes. She says these people have no idea the mental damage they are causing women with abortion.
@@rynor2691 Parasites are always in unnatural environments. They are predators that feed off of their host with no beneficial qualities. They are not in their "natural habitat." They're invaders. By definition they are an invasive predator that latches onto victims to deprive them of resources. A baby in the womb is literally housed in the part of the mother that is biologically designed to house her offspring. Your continued attempt at trying to re-define offspring into parasites is very concerning. The last time I ever heard of such gross dehumanization, a funny mustached man was involved.
This culture is sick. You got people out here calling childbirth inherently traumatic and calling babies parasites. What kind of sick anti-life culture do we have? Once we win the election we're going to build on that momentum and crush this evil. There is no compromise with this sort of insanity.
Great debate skills. You almost had her convinced it is murder and I think you had a chance to persuade her to some common ground if you slowed down a bit and let her unravel. Your doing gods work
@@Art_thecl0wnAnd the other ones just keep giving birth like it's a hobby. Abolishonists don't agree with women taking the pill either as that apparantly kills the fetus. So how about men doing their bit and having a vasectomy. We don't need huge families like they had to suffer in the old days. .
I was flabbergasted when she said birth is trauma. I unplugged from the hospital practices and had my birth with a midwife at a birth center and it was the most empowering thing I’ve ever done! I look at what birth has done to my body and just think “wow! My body is truly amazing!”. ♥️ it’s all about education and mindset 🙌🏻
I'm pregnant with my 3rd child. I can't wait to give birth! It is hard, yes, i've had some trauma because of helthcare system. But still, in my opinion, giving birth is the most empowering and beautiful thing a woman can experiance.
Thank you. My wife talks about the birth of our 3 all the time and misses being pregnant. This girl has been brainwashed like so many by the medical industry to fear perfectly natural things.
“I think childbirth is a trauma.” Says the person who has likely never given birth. Also, do we really think that something women have successfully done for thousands and thousands of years is a trauma?? I’ve given birth twice and both were incredibly empowering. I understand things can go wrong and be traumatic, but not by default.
At the rate people are having abortions, there wouldn't be enough people to take care of all the unwanted children. We can't have a society where half of its members take no responsibility for their actions. Sex is a choice in 99% of these abortion cases. If you choose to have sex with someone else and you or they get pregnant, the both of you should be required to care for the child. It's absolutely crazy that we expect people to be more responsible when breeding puppies than actual human children.
@@jacksheridan5916 ooh does your tribe have a name? How might your tribe impose this responsibility since civil discussion doesn't seem to be cutting it for you?
@@thehobbyisttries Nearly 1 million abortions happen in the US every year. Pregnancy only lasts 9 months while actually raising a child takes 18+ years. While I do agree that there would be significantly more sexual responsibility after the criminalization of abortion, I still think the, "don't get an abortion, just put it up for adoption" pro-life argument is extremely weak. First, although unlikely, more children being put up for adoption than parents willing to take them is a possible outcome. Second, adoption is only mitigating the problem. There's shouldn't be an expectation that someone is going to clean up your mistakes either by killing the child or by taking them. Finally, adoption is a beautiful thing, but it's saddening that so many children grow up not knowing their heritage and already knowing they have 2 people who didn't want them.
@@isaacg4395 You say that like civil discussion is the solution to problems. It isn't. Civil discussion is how we come to agree on a problem and the solution to it. Action is how problems are solved. Also, you say 'impose this responsibility' as if there are people out there imposing parenthood on two other people my making them have sex. Parenthood is the natural outcome to sex the same as any other action has its outcomes. Somehow you managed to say two stupid things in one sentence.
@@thehobbyisttries Yes, I gave you three big reasons that you conveniently ignored. I'm saying that we shouldn't have to give reasons why people shouldn't kill innocent babies. You shouldn't kill babies because killing babies is evil. Not because someone else will take the baby. If nobody was willing to take the baby, then do you think it would be okay to oppress and dehumanize innocent human beings? If the answer's no, then the argument is weak.
Yikes is all I have to say. Hayden, thank you for all the work you do!! I wouldn’t be able to stay nearly as calm as you do when people are saying things like, “someone’s value is based on whether they’re wanted or not.”
when people who are losing arguments go "well thats were we disagree!" like its some sort of gotcha, its like yeah, thats why were talking. That's why we talk, because we have opposing view points and are seeking truth.
Subscribe! I love seeing another person my age doing stuff like this - _actively_ trying to convince people of morally weighty issues like this. I’m a 24-yr-old woman, and I’m an abolitionist too. This girl is absolutely indefensible and frankly horrifying. I PRAY she finds Truth.
2:48 - The moment she understood that her position is wrong and unjustifiable. Her attempt at having a real argument stopped there and her justification after this point was "because it's what I think."
To "act" as a parasite, that definition is just subjective. There are people in the world that I think act like a d-bag but does that actually make them a literal one? The emphasis on this is the word "I" it's personal. It would be a very dangerous and hostile world if each individual's personal emotional reaction is what justifies another persons life and death.
It's so sad. Often pro-life people are accused of not being sympathetic towards the mother, but it's the opposite. It's pro choice people calling the unborn not human, parasites, tumors etc.
It's easy for him to talk he can't get pregnant. He should talk about men not sleeping around.or using protection rather than preaching to young women..
@@Amarylis185 I completely agree men shouldn't sleep around. But it is absolutely more important that Babies should be saved versus promoting contraception and/or chastity. Our neighbors are being slaughtered, that is priority number 1. And by that same logic, easy for abolitionists of slavery to talk, they didn't own slaves. You see where that just doesn't follow? We have an objective standard of morality that understands every human being is valuable and should be protected, therefore we should stand against injustice that violates that.
@@Amarylis185 By no means. They would be equal. Both protected under the law. I don't even understand how that would even be the case. We can't slaughter women at will according to the law, but we can with pre born children. If abolitionists had their way they would have the same rights to life.
I find it hilarious that people who say “pregnancy causes harm and trauma to the mother” have usually NEVER had a child or carried a full term pregnancy. I’m pregnant with my first son and I thank god every day for what a blessing it is. These people that say birth and pregnancy are traumatic have usually never experienced it… so sad. I pray her heart can be softened and her mind renewed.
Listening to this girl comparing a baby to a tumor and parasite is more painful and traumatic than the 4 births I’ve experienced. The insanity and evil that this girl is spewing is disgusting.
"I agree with your definition of murder, I just think there should be an acception for unborn children, and I have no justifiable reason for why that could be considered moral."
I can’t believe this doesn’t have way more views! I thought this was a great conversation. We need more like this. I’m glad that she was willing to sit and have this conversation.
Honestly I used to be much more pro choice... what changed my mind was hearing the insane depravity of the pro choice side. They start with "I want the convenience to escape any unwanted reprecussions of sex and don't care whether it's murder." Then they reverse-engineer their arguments to fit that. That's why there's never any internal consistency in their arguments... b/c if there was then they would have to admit that their real argument is that they want what's most convenient for them regardless of if it kills another person.
Brother, you are doing amazing work! I really wish I had your talent for this. She may be defiant right now, but she’ll be thinking on it for a while. Hopefully she does the research into it so that she learns it for herself. Great job!
You can avoid the "trauma" 🙄 of pregnancy, by not having sex. You can also avoid it with consistent birth control. There is also a morning after pill in the case of rape that prevents fertilization. Abortion should be illegal.
Child birth is not a trauma. It's hard, I wouldn't deny that, but it's not a trauma. This is a very immature view on what trauma actually is, which is something our entire society suffers from. Medically, it's anything that is a wound, shock or injury. A natural physical thing your body is made to do cannot be described as any of these things. Psychologically, it's an emotional response to a terrible event, such as an accident, rape, or natural disaster. All of these things have a common factor in that they are surprises and things you cannot anticipate or see coming. If you do a thing that can result in something, and that something happens 9 months later and you know it's coming for the last 7 months, that cannot be a trauma.
“A natural physical thing your body is made to do cannot be described as trauma.” What about women who die or nearly die during childbirth? Just because we’re made to do this, doesn’t mean it goes perfectly smooth every time. Then you have mental trauma from your physical ordeal. I know, “it’s just a scar on your stomach. A small price to pay for a life.” But is a woman not allowed to make her own decisions to what happens to her body?
@@gabriellemolinaro6750 Ah yes, the minority of situations is really what we should look at it. We should look ONLY at things that don't work the way they are supposed to, ONLY at the anomalies and not at what happens the vast majority of the time 🤣🤣🤣 For real though, I did say I know it's hard, and I didn't say it but I understand there is a risk of injury or death. But calling it "trauma" when it works exactly the way it's supposed to is like following the logic: rape is traumatic, rape is sex, therefore sex is traumatic. That's nonsense. As as society we make distinct differentiation between what is rape and what it just sex. Just like there is definitions for both physical and psychological trauma, none of which your standard, run of the mill birth fits. Calling it a trauma is an extension where people think words don't actually mean anything, so they user the most ridiculous word at their disposal to make an emotional point and not a real actual argument. Nowhere did I say that a woman doesn't have a right over her body, did I? No. You inferred that on your own because you can't actually make an argument against what I said, so you are arguing about something I never said or indicated in any way. I only took issue with this one point she really emphasized, which was completely BS.
@@gabriellemolinaro6750No even you believe a woman should have the right to do whatever it is with her body. I'm sure if you saw a woman about to jump off a bridge, you would get help and try to talk her down. Sure you would have a problem with another woman using her body to slap you upside the head. Murdering someone else's body is always wrong. You truly have no fear of God. Open ypur eyes, you will not get away with such evil thoughts and deed, one day you will stand in from of God your creator and give an account for supporting the murder of people made in his image.
"Trauma" especially mental is vastly over used now a days. People act as if any bad thing no matter how minor it was caused "mental trauma". Being traumatized is supposed to be used for people who experienced war or extreme violence/ accidents. No you don't have PTSD or "trauma " just because you where bullied in school (unless your bully actually tried to violently murder you that is). No you're not traumatized because your parents weren't the best (again unless they violently beat you or try to murder you). Yes life might not be good or pleasant all the time or even very often doesn't mean you're "traumatized" live your life and MOVE ON.
As a woman and a mom who HAS birthed 2x completely unmedicated and the second was unassisted birth. BIRTH IS NOT A TRAUMA! BIRTH IS BEAUTIFUL AND WOMEN ARE BEING LIED TO ABOUT HOW AMAZING IT IS TO BE WITH CHILD, AND TO BE A MOM! IS IT EASY, NO. BUT IT IS WORTH IT. IT BRINGS SO MUCH JOY AND PURPOSE TO A WOMAN!
"Birth is traumatic" 🤨 Well, no matter what, there will be trauma/difficulty. Once you're pregnant it will end with miscarriage, abortion, or birth. 🤔 Only one of those is consciously selfless and allows life to flourish. 🤗
I appreciate her arrogance because her attitude makes me more inclined to be pro life. Her arguments also pushed me in that direction because they werent good at all. As someone who has held both positions at different times
You made her think!!! Love how you always come back and say “still can’t murder the child”. Perfect retort to all the misguided slogans like “my body, my choice”
It's quite astonishing how ALL of the sympathies lie with the mother before the baby is delivered, and then a second after it goes through the vaginal canal, the pro-abortionist does an about-face and directs all of their sympathies towards the child. It's arbitrary and just flat out non-sensical.
Like most arguments from progressives, the more you examine it, it eventually falls apart. That’s what has led me to abandon most of my progressive views, very sadly and regretfully, only after having gone through an abortion.
Very sorry to hear about your experience. In case you don't already know, fortunately God is not only just but also merciful. When Jesus died for the world's sins, He won forgiveness and salvation for all, so those who believe in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God still loves you and will support you if you allow him. May God bless you and keep you through the rest of your life.
Geez “they” have convinced young women that childbirth is trauma. Such a sad world we live in. I have 4 kids never thought “trauma” being pregnant and 2 pregnancies were tough.
Her hand goes up as if he's cutting her off from saying something intelligent, then...nothing. Better to say silent then to reveal your darkness---although it's important to see how damaged our country has become.
Very interesting debate, I'm surprised this video doesn't have more views. Considering the number of comments, I would speculate its being supressed. My two pennies - and I would to mention that I am against most abortions, a majority of the time they are not an ethical option, and there is a better way to manage the situation. Something like 95%+ of terminations are for social reasons. But I do have a lot of knowledge about this area of healthcare and I would like to point out some things: - California has a very low maternal mortality rate. There are other US states with rates over 8X this, which is shockingly high for a developed country. The actual death rate figure is also the tip of the iceberg - underneath that will be a whole load of ITU admissions, permanent injuries, blood clots, near deaths, 4th degree tears ect ect and there will be quite a lot more of these than there are deaths. This is something that I often find quite frustrating with these sort of debates, kind of like the 'clump of cells/tumor' argument on the other side. The risks of birth for the mother can vary from being fairly low to having a high risk of death depending on her health, access to healthcare, quality of that healthcare, if any issues develop in the pregnany ect. - There are some situations, outside of ectopic pregnancies where the pregnancy does significantly threaten the life of the mother. Often these are when the mother is in very poor health herself. For example, serious cardio-vascular problems could mean the mother's system cannot cope with both her and a baby. Breast cancer or other reproductive cancers - pregnancy hormones cause these tumors to grow very rapidly. These woman are usually advised to terminate, due to the effect chemo will have on foetal development - some actually refuse and their survival chances could be very low as a result. I could list a few more if you like or go into further detail. With regards to these pregnancies, which make up a small proportion, this is not a black and white issue.
That's only ectopics, not any other circumstances. I would argue that the treatment for an ectopic is abortion - the definition of abortion is the deliberate ending of a human pregnancy. If you have ectopic pregnancy, you take a drug that ends the pregnancy which works most of the time. You're pregnant before you take the drug, you're not pregnant after - how is it not abortion? If not there are surgical methods to treat. If you don't treat it, the baby (at embryo stage) will 100% die when the tube ruptures and so will the mother. It's the most clear cut case where abortion is obviously moral, but the assertion it is not abortion is not correct. @@LJoseph-zs9bu
@@thesavagekitti5668 Actually the assertion that it is not abortion is absolutely correct. The medical definition of abortion is "Deliberate termination of human pregnancy...". The general definition of pregnancy for humans is "The state between conception and birth, during which the fertilized egg develops in the uterus", with emphasis on developing in the uterus. Ectopic pregnancy results in the child being developed outside of the uterus - therefore its not actually a pregnancy - therefore not abortion.
No, I disagree. RCOG (royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists), define abortion as: Ending a pregnancy using either medicines (medical abortion) or an operation (surgical abortion). RCOG is the UK equivalent of ACOG (American college of obstetricians and gynaecologists), so this is the most knowledgeable organisation regarding pregnancy, childbirth, gynae issues ect. They write guidelines for obstetricians and gynaecologists to follow. Additionally, at the implantation stage, it can implant somewhere that is still technically uterine, but is still dangerous, such as very close to the cervix. If this is left untreated can also result in massive hemorrhage needing serious interventions, such as hysterectomy to prevent death of the woman. Different organisations will define a term slightly differently. As different dictionaries will.
At two points in this conversation, she says a child is only valuable if it is wanted and a child is a disease. This is the logical conclusion of secular, humanist worldviews. Absolutely deplorable.
How does Hayden not lose his cool. This is an example where the pro choice person isn’t intellectually impaired, they’re not brainwashed, they’re just a person who is okay with murdering a baby. You’re excellent at this Hayden awesome watch
A recommendation for women who don't want to give birth: don't have sex. There is a causal relationship. It astounds me how many of these girls parrot what I assume some professor preached to them, that pregnancy and childbirth is some kind of unnatural trauma inflicted upon their bodies (as opposed to an amazing and very natural consequence of their actions). I don't suppose these instructors mention the ways pregnancy and childbirth can benefit a woman: easier periods, lower risk of cancers, MS, strokes, etc. And that's not even mentioning the incredible privilege of bringing a new life into the world to love along with your husband. Don't think it's a privilege? Don't have a husband? Refer back to the beginning of this comment.
I can’t believe how long I bought into the propaganda constantly presented by pro-choicers; your videos made me realize that they regurgitate the same arguments over and over with no logical basis whatsoever. AND it took me way too long to realize you also make those amazing SAT videos! I knew that I know you from somewhere else 😂 Your SAT videos carried me through my Dec DSAT. God bless you 🤍
This girl never even had the tiniest inkling of a valid argument. Just throwing out wild claims and when that doesn’t work, throwing out something else. She’s never thought it through before.
There are literally no pro-abortion arguments. As someone who once was pro-abortion, it was devastating to discover. It took time for me really accept it.
I keep finding so many individuals that have well thought out and articulated opinions against abortion. Can’t really find many that have thought through, researched, and can articulate for abortion. The word extrapolation comes to mind.
She is insufferable!!
Completely!! She's going to be one of those lonely cat women when she's 40. Just her attitude is ugly af!!
Like most American women.
@@lesseirgpapers9245something is in the water
they all are
@@KCDCishYeah, it's feminism 😂
Yooo i was watching this and realised this doesn't have thousands of likes and views. This is crazy underrated
Thank you!!!
💯 agree! This guy is solid.
Why does it matter?
bcuz the algorithm is keeping this from the public view
@@CruiseadersOfChristwhy does it matter? When people do podcasts especially involving political or religious topics they tend to want their content to get out to more viewers. If said person genuinely believes what they are saying to be the truth then why wouldn’t that matter?
Calling a baby a parasite automatically disqualifies you from any moral discussion on literally anything and everything.
Scientific discussion as well.
@@CrowdJusticeUS science doesn't support your supremacist philosophical beliefs.
Seek mental help.
@@CrowdJusticeUS Parasites cannot be offspring or the same species, so you're just wrong.
Quoting scripture at me is the actual loony bin shit, considering I actually know if the contents of the Bible and understand the Catholic faith quite well. Adam's creation is not how the overwhelming majority of Humans are created. Even if we are to use the Bible and the teachings of God to find the beginning of human life, you still cannot refer to a baby in the womb as a parasite. The "breath of life" does not refer to air. It refers to a supernatural force that god has bestowed upon humanity.
As for quoting scriptures.
1. Psalm 139:13-16- "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."
2. Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
3. Luke 1:41, 44 - "When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy."
Cherry Picking the Bible during an argument of basic biology is really foolish, especially when, in actuality, conception is when even Catholics consider human life to begin.
I'd say nice try, but you're a dumbfuck.
@@CrowdJusticeUS 1. Psalm 139:13-16- "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."
2. Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
3. Luke 1:41, 44 - "When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. "As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy."
Nice try, I think? Biology aside, God disagrees with your cherry picked nonsense. Also, Adam's creation was wholly unique from every other human, given he would be the first human.
Even Venom didn't like to be called parasite 😂
She’s in WAY over her head.
Does not have a head.
@@lesseirgpapers9245she just gives head.
The patience with this woman is amazing. Your calm way of stating your views despite her arrogant condescension is great. Keep up the fight!
Wow. To equate an unborn child to a tumor is not only sickening but also illogical. Yes, they are both comprised of cells, but one has the potential to develop into an independent life. Calling the child a "disease"? That's beyond comprehension.
All they have is poor rationalizations and coping mechanisms to alleviate their guilty conscience. They know abortions are horrible and evil, but they want them anyway, so they feign ignorance.
Agreed! sickening and illogical.
I'd like to point out that the meaning of independent that I think you're implying (ie. not needing other people to live) isn't even something the vast majority of people in the world today are or could be. Most of us would die without the support of society.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6ttquite literally a stage in human development, such as infancy and toddlerhood. Try again.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt the fetus is a mutualistic symbiont, not a parasite. Fetal cells pass from the fetus to the mother during pregnancy to repair damaged cells in the mother.
This is a symbiotic relationship, not a parasitic relationship.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6ttdude just stop you sound ridiculous. A human fetus isn’t a parasite. Parasites are never the same specie as the host to begin with.
You’re dehumanizing the hell out of human infants in the womb to justify that abortion isn’t killing a human being. Hitler dehumanized Jews, white Americans in power dehumanized black people and it justified doing atrocious acts to them.
It boggles my mind that so many people think murdering an unborn child is ok.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6ttare you okay?
There needs to come a moment when we accept it’s brainwashing. I only realised at 36 years old. Like how is that possible 😭
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt the fetus has FULL SET of HUMAN DNA distinct from both biological father and mother, and alive...a corpse is NOT alive anymore...I know you have a tiny brain, but surely you can understand the difference...
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6ttI’m not religious and still think people shouldn’t murder babies.
@PoliticalTheaterTV
another brainwashed fool
She gets mad when he "interrupts" her yet does the same to him.
My late dad was the same way, ish.
Wouldn't really get mad, but he wouldn't want to be interrupted while saying something, yet had no problem with interrupting others.
There were a few times I'd have to say "let me finish" beforehand, so he'd hear the entirety of what I had to say.
He did the same thing with Robert Breaker's video sermons.
As soon as he heard one thing that he didn't agree with, he'd have me pause it right then so he could comment on it.
This girl is a perfect example of what is wrong with our society.
And a prime example of what is wrong with higher education
Well good job she doesn't want to have a child until she is ready or maybe never.
How can someone be so cold and callous? Good thing for her that her mother apparently didn't feel the same way.
I would bet, based on the level of ignorance and indefensible, insufferable nastiness, that her mother is the same. Divorced, man-hating mothering created this vile and callous angry woman.
Modern day feminism and indoctrination
Why are we not talking about what causes the baby in the first place, a conversation about abortions that start with abstinence.
This woman can barely defend her own point. Trying to escape responsibility and accountability so hard lmao.
It doesn't help that he is lying. Around 1000 women die in childbirth in the US yearly.
That fits the statistics he said. More women than that die falling the shower in the US yearly. Is taking a shower trauma?@@corvanna4438
And that makes it ok to murder 500-900,000 unborn innocent babies?
A year so at least 62 million murdered babies
@@corvanna44381000 women were brave enough to risk their own lives for their children. Bravo to them. That used to be looked at as good mothers. Sacrificial love used to be the highest form of love. Now we call mothers that kill their children intentionally smart women and self love is the best love. And these same people claim everyone is greedy while being the most greedy.
I think A good point to keep in mind when a proAbortion person says “abortion should be legal if a woman doesn’t want to give birth”, is to remind them that once a woman is pregnant, the baby has to come out anyway.. all abortion does is ensure the baby comes out dead. Birth is inescapable once conception happens- it’s just a matter of whether it’ll be 9mo birth, C-section, premature birth, or miscarriage, etc.
Huh, I never thought of it that way, but it is a valid point.
In a way, it reminds me of what Chief Hekarroh said in Horizon Forbidden West.
He says he counts the bodies of Marshals slain at the Embassy, he counts thousands more that hang in the balance, the he will fight for them. And so will Aloy if she wants access to the chamber below.
Then she asks by that logic, what's to stop her from just killing him and taking what she needs?
And in response to that, Hekarroh says "you can try. You may even succeed. Either way, you must fight. My way will hold off Regallah, and the slaughter she craves."
What “comes out” at two weeks vs. what “comes out” at seven months (much less nine) do not have the same moral significance to most people. I realize that some religious people claim it’s all the same, and that’s where they lose people.
@@bhz8947 sure, I can agree that people’s view of the unborn’s moral significance will vary based on their level of development (2weeks v 7months).
However, my point is that some people say “I don’t want to give birth”, or claim the “forced-birth” argument, yet they miss the fact that once a woman is pregnant, birth is inescapable; The baby will HAVE to come out, in some form or fashion, eventually.
It’s like some people see Abortion almost like a Thanos snap that just makes the baby fade away thus avoiding birth, but that’s just not accurate.
@@bhz8947I would bet that deep down, it has moral significance, they just bury it. I know three young women who struggle to this day with their past abortions. And these were in the first trimester. They know it’s life and they know it’s their offspring. For some people, because the unborn human doesn’t *look* like a baby, they can try to block it from their mind, but I wonder how many lifelong emotional traumas lie hidden.
it’s a shame that the pro choice view is the popular trendy opinion among the youth… so many people are so morally lost
what is it really?@@thehobbyisttries
ohhhhhh, I thought you said they as in pro lifers don't know
but I completely agree with you@@thehobbyisttries
They just regurgitate whatever they hear from the pro choice media
God, this woman sounds so entitled. Good for giving her a reality check.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt This is exactly how abolitionist fought against slavery, something they would never face.
@@PoliticalTheatreTV-eu6tt He is trying to abolish murder. Murder is not a freedom.
@@Michael-yl2iq THANK you. People just don’t want to face their realities and instead look for ways around it. We don’t talk enough about what happens AFTER an abortion for most women. Might change some minds around here too. Just sayin’.
It’s ownership on both sides. Which is why you need to know where you’re aiming so you don’t have to go through this..face the facts here.
@@1cheyanimal Thanks, that is a strong vocal position my wife takes. She says these people have no idea the mental damage they are causing women with abortion.
I’m sorry but she lost any respect the second she went “uh uh uh, don’t interrupt me” after she had just interrupted him. Absolutely stuck up
She keeps saying childbirth is a trauma but so is abortion to the mother, both physically and mentally. Just ask anyone who has ever had an abortion.
Good point
Also it’s a temporary trauma with an outcome that outweighs the pain. I’d rather my whole body scarred than kill my baby.
I think it is perfectly acceptable to shame people who are ok with un-aliving “unwanted” babies
All liberal women say how dare you interrupt me but feels obligated to interrupt others
100% smugness, 0% intellect.
Babies are in their natural habitat, parasites are not.
They both are 🤡
@@rynor2691 Parasites are always in unnatural environments. They are predators that feed off of their host with no beneficial qualities. They are not in their "natural habitat." They're invaders. By definition they are an invasive predator that latches onto victims to deprive them of resources.
A baby in the womb is literally housed in the part of the mother that is biologically designed to house her offspring. Your continued attempt at trying to re-define offspring into parasites is very concerning.
The last time I ever heard of such gross dehumanization, a funny mustached man was involved.
Exactly!
This culture is sick. You got people out here calling childbirth inherently traumatic and calling babies parasites. What kind of sick anti-life culture do we have? Once we win the election we're going to build on that momentum and crush this evil. There is no compromise with this sort of insanity.
Great debate skills. You almost had her convinced it is murder and I think you had a chance to persuade her to some common ground if you slowed down a bit and let her unravel. Your doing gods work
People who call a baby in the womb a “parasite” or “disease” always seem to think they’re speaking on behalf of all pregnant women/mothers.
It’s always the ones without children too 😂
@@Art_thecl0wnAnd the other ones just keep giving birth like it's a hobby. Abolishonists don't agree with women taking the pill either as that apparantly kills the fetus. So how about men doing their bit and having a vasectomy. We don't need huge families like they had to suffer in the old days.
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I was flabbergasted when she said birth is trauma. I unplugged from the hospital practices and had my birth with a midwife at a birth center and it was the most empowering thing I’ve ever done! I look at what birth has done to my body and just think “wow! My body is truly amazing!”. ♥️ it’s all about education and mindset 🙌🏻
I had five hospital births, and two with midwifes, and all of them, especially the last two, we're the most amazing experiences of my life. ❤️
She's emotional, and was using her emotions to form her arguments. I feel bad for the person who's going to date her.
She’ll be drinking wine with her cats for decades to come
That’s 100% of these discussions.
who would date her though?
So if it’s a trauma…can this girl’s mother charge her daughter for a crime for enacting a trauma?
Great rebuttal!
I'm pregnant with my 3rd child. I can't wait to give birth! It is hard, yes, i've had some trauma because of helthcare system. But still, in my opinion, giving birth is the most empowering and beautiful thing a woman can experiance.
Thank you. My wife talks about the birth of our 3 all the time and misses being pregnant. This girl has been brainwashed like so many by the medical industry to fear perfectly natural things.
Congratulations!
She has her deflectors up. It is sad to see how insufferable, smug, supercilious, and downright foolish some people are.
The way she commanded him to not interrupt after she interrupted constantly. WTF
Deceitful people like this feed off of the faith of this good man.
It’s a liberal woman’s talent to demand respect undeserved
I don't know how you don't start laughing. Man, I need this level of patience.
Two generations have grown up in the lies of RvW. It’s going to take at least 2 generations to reverse the damage. You’re doing God’s work Hayden.
I genuinely cannot comprehend lacking humanity to such an extent as to have this level of argument for *killing* a human being.
Hardened hearts are impossible for us to break. Hopefully that seed will aid in a future softening & repentance.
Logic: 0
Bad Attitude: 1000
That was not fair. Perfekt logic and intellect.
If a woman doesn't want through a pregnancy, she shouldn't have gotten pregnant. Where's the babies' choice to not go through an abortion?
“I think childbirth is a trauma.” Says the person who has likely never given birth. Also, do we really think that something women have successfully done for thousands and thousands of years is a trauma?? I’ve given birth twice and both were incredibly empowering. I understand things can go wrong and be traumatic, but not by default.
At the rate people are having abortions, there wouldn't be enough people to take care of all the unwanted children. We can't have a society where half of its members take no responsibility for their actions.
Sex is a choice in 99% of these abortion cases. If you choose to have sex with someone else and you or they get pregnant, the both of you should be required to care for the child. It's absolutely crazy that we expect people to be more responsible when breeding puppies than actual human children.
@@jacksheridan5916 ooh does your tribe have a name? How might your tribe impose this responsibility since civil discussion doesn't seem to be cutting it for you?
The waiting list to adopt a baby is twice the amount of abortions done in America in a year.
@@thehobbyisttries Nearly 1 million abortions happen in the US every year. Pregnancy only lasts 9 months while actually raising a child takes 18+ years.
While I do agree that there would be significantly more sexual responsibility after the criminalization of abortion, I still think the, "don't get an abortion, just put it up for adoption" pro-life argument is extremely weak.
First, although unlikely, more children being put up for adoption than parents willing to take them is a possible outcome.
Second, adoption is only mitigating the problem. There's shouldn't be an expectation that someone is going to clean up your mistakes either by killing the child or by taking them.
Finally, adoption is a beautiful thing, but it's saddening that so many children grow up not knowing their heritage and already knowing they have 2 people who didn't want them.
@@isaacg4395 You say that like civil discussion is the solution to problems. It isn't. Civil discussion is how we come to agree on a problem and the solution to it. Action is how problems are solved.
Also, you say 'impose this responsibility' as if there are people out there imposing parenthood on two other people my making them have sex. Parenthood is the natural outcome to sex the same as any other action has its outcomes.
Somehow you managed to say two stupid things in one sentence.
@@thehobbyisttries Yes, I gave you three big reasons that you conveniently ignored. I'm saying that we shouldn't have to give reasons why people shouldn't kill innocent babies. You shouldn't kill babies because killing babies is evil. Not because someone else will take the baby.
If nobody was willing to take the baby, then do you think it would be okay to oppress and dehumanize innocent human beings? If the answer's no, then the argument is weak.
Yikes is all I have to say. Hayden, thank you for all the work you do!! I wouldn’t be able to stay nearly as calm as you do when people are saying things like, “someone’s value is based on whether they’re wanted or not.”
when people who are losing arguments go "well thats were we disagree!" like its some sort of gotcha, its like yeah, thats why were talking. That's why we talk, because we have opposing view points and are seeking truth.
Please Lord don’t let this person be a mother.
Subscribe! I love seeing another person my age doing stuff like this - _actively_ trying to convince people of morally weighty issues like this.
I’m a 24-yr-old woman, and I’m an abolitionist too. This girl is absolutely indefensible and frankly horrifying. I PRAY she finds Truth.
and you like Milo Thatch thats a double win for you
2:48 - The moment she understood that her position is wrong and unjustifiable. Her attempt at having a real argument stopped there and her justification after this point was "because it's what I think."
To "act" as a parasite, that definition is just subjective. There are people in the world that I think act like a d-bag but does that actually make them a literal one? The emphasis on this is the word "I" it's personal. It would be a very dangerous and hostile world if each individual's personal emotional reaction is what justifies another persons life and death.
Commenting for the algorithm. Thank you for all your good work!
It's so sad. Often pro-life people are accused of not being sympathetic towards the mother, but it's the opposite. It's pro choice people calling the unborn not human, parasites, tumors etc.
Childbirth is not traumatizing. Hospitals can be.
Breastfeeding and childbirth lowers cancer rates too
Gosh, she was hard to watch. And she conveniently left out that abortions calls bodily and psychological trauma too.
Man you're good! No emotional aspect to it. Sharp and powerful, as it should. Good freakin stuff
It's easy for him to talk he can't get pregnant. He should talk about men not sleeping around.or using protection rather than preaching to young women..
@@Amarylis185 I completely agree men shouldn't sleep around. But it is absolutely more important that Babies should be saved versus promoting contraception and/or chastity. Our neighbors are being slaughtered, that is priority number 1. And by that same logic, easy for abolitionists of slavery to talk, they didn't own slaves. You see where that just doesn't follow? We have an objective standard of morality that understands every human being is valuable and should be protected, therefore we should stand against injustice that violates that.
@@Amarylis185 By no means. They would be equal. Both protected under the law. I don't even understand how that would even be the case. We can't slaughter women at will according to the law, but we can with pre born children. If abolitionists had their way they would have the same rights to life.
I find it hilarious that people who say “pregnancy causes harm and trauma to the mother” have usually NEVER had a child or carried a full term pregnancy. I’m pregnant with my first son and I thank god every day for what a blessing it is. These people that say birth and pregnancy are traumatic have usually never experienced it… so sad. I pray her heart can be softened and her mind renewed.
Listening to this girl comparing a baby to a tumor and parasite is more painful and traumatic than the 4 births I’ve experienced. The insanity and evil that this girl is spewing is disgusting.
"I agree with your definition of murder, I just think there should be an acception for unborn children, and I have no justifiable reason for why that could be considered moral."
Girl: it’s not murder because that would inconvenience me.
THE GUM CHEWING!! I CANNOT
How in the world did this young person get to this point of utter disgusting feelings about children.
I can’t believe this doesn’t have way more views! I thought this was a great conversation. We need more like this. I’m glad that she was willing to sit and have this conversation.
Honestly I used to be much more pro choice... what changed my mind was hearing the insane depravity of the pro choice side. They start with "I want the convenience to escape any unwanted reprecussions of sex and don't care whether it's murder." Then they reverse-engineer their arguments to fit that.
That's why there's never any internal consistency in their arguments... b/c if there was then they would have to admit that their real argument is that they want what's most convenient for them regardless of if it kills another person.
Glad to see younger people having logic.
Brother, you are doing amazing work! I really wish I had your talent for this. She may be defiant right now, but she’ll be thinking on it for a while. Hopefully she does the research into it so that she learns it for herself. Great job!
Oh she is insufferable. Bless you for being so patient.
Talk about not wanting to take responsibility .
Appreciate your bravery to discuss this as a young man, Hayden. The argument is the same coming from me, a mother, but easier to talk about.
You can avoid the "trauma" 🙄 of pregnancy, by not having sex. You can also avoid it with consistent birth control. There is also a morning after pill in the case of rape that prevents fertilization. Abortion should be illegal.
“I disagree with you there. You’re right.”
Critical thinking is all about feelings.
Her belligerence was exhausting to listen to. You were so patient with her!
Child birth is not a trauma. It's hard, I wouldn't deny that, but it's not a trauma. This is a very immature view on what trauma actually is, which is something our entire society suffers from. Medically, it's anything that is a wound, shock or injury. A natural physical thing your body is made to do cannot be described as any of these things. Psychologically, it's an emotional response to a terrible event, such as an accident, rape, or natural disaster. All of these things have a common factor in that they are surprises and things you cannot anticipate or see coming. If you do a thing that can result in something, and that something happens 9 months later and you know it's coming for the last 7 months, that cannot be a trauma.
Based.
“A natural physical thing your body is made to do cannot be described as trauma.” What about women who die or nearly die during childbirth? Just because we’re made to do this, doesn’t mean it goes perfectly smooth every time. Then you have mental trauma from your physical ordeal. I know, “it’s just a scar on your stomach. A small price to pay for a life.” But is a woman not allowed to make her own decisions to what happens to her body?
@@gabriellemolinaro6750 Ah yes, the minority of situations is really what we should look at it. We should look ONLY at things that don't work the way they are supposed to, ONLY at the anomalies and not at what happens the vast majority of the time 🤣🤣🤣
For real though, I did say I know it's hard, and I didn't say it but I understand there is a risk of injury or death. But calling it "trauma" when it works exactly the way it's supposed to is like following the logic: rape is traumatic, rape is sex, therefore sex is traumatic. That's nonsense. As as society we make distinct differentiation between what is rape and what it just sex. Just like there is definitions for both physical and psychological trauma, none of which your standard, run of the mill birth fits. Calling it a trauma is an extension where people think words don't actually mean anything, so they user the most ridiculous word at their disposal to make an emotional point and not a real actual argument.
Nowhere did I say that a woman doesn't have a right over her body, did I? No. You inferred that on your own because you can't actually make an argument against what I said, so you are arguing about something I never said or indicated in any way. I only took issue with this one point she really emphasized, which was completely BS.
@@gabriellemolinaro6750No even you believe a woman should have the right to do whatever it is with her body. I'm sure if you saw a woman about to jump off a bridge, you would get help and try to talk her down. Sure you would have a problem with another woman using her body to slap you upside the head. Murdering someone else's body is always wrong. You truly have no fear of God. Open ypur eyes, you will not get away with such evil thoughts and deed, one day you will stand in from of God your creator and give an account for supporting the murder of people made in his image.
"Trauma" especially mental is vastly over used now a days. People act as if any bad thing no matter how minor it was caused "mental trauma". Being traumatized is supposed to be used for people who experienced war or extreme violence/ accidents. No you don't have PTSD or "trauma " just because you where bullied in school (unless your bully actually tried to violently murder you that is). No you're not traumatized because your parents weren't the best (again unless they violently beat you or try to murder you). Yes life might not be good or pleasant all the time or even very often doesn't mean you're "traumatized" live your life and MOVE ON.
Again how does this not sound like something a deadbeat father would say ? If a man said this society would not praise or encourage him .
Pray for these women.
As a woman and a mom who HAS birthed 2x completely unmedicated and the second was unassisted birth. BIRTH IS NOT A TRAUMA! BIRTH IS BEAUTIFUL AND WOMEN ARE BEING LIED TO ABOUT HOW AMAZING IT IS TO BE WITH CHILD, AND TO BE A MOM! IS IT EASY, NO. BUT IT IS WORTH IT. IT BRINGS SO MUCH JOY AND PURPOSE TO A WOMAN!
"Birth is traumatic" 🤨
Well, no matter what, there will be trauma/difficulty. Once you're pregnant it will end with miscarriage, abortion, or birth. 🤔 Only one of those is consciously selfless and allows life to flourish. 🤗
She may not be evil at the core, but her reasoning definitely is.
This person just threw every garbage talking point at the wall and nothing stuck because no one has ever challenged her with logic/reason
Likening the forming of human life to a parasite is disgusting and infuriating
I appreciate her arrogance because her attitude makes me more inclined to be pro life. Her arguments also pushed me in that direction because they werent good at all. As someone who has held both positions at different times
Good job. You shut everything she said down very quickly. She won’t forget it. ❤
It's always the people who interrupt that get all upset when they think you're interrupting
You made her think!!!
Love how you always come back and say “still can’t murder the child”.
Perfect retort to all the misguided slogans like “my body, my choice”
It's quite astonishing how ALL of the sympathies lie with the mother before the baby is delivered, and then a second after it goes through the vaginal canal, the pro-abortionist does an about-face and directs all of their sympathies towards the child. It's arbitrary and just flat out non-sensical.
Like most arguments from progressives, the more you examine it, it eventually falls apart. That’s what has led me to abandon most of my progressive views, very sadly and regretfully, only after having gone through an abortion.
Very sorry to hear about your experience. In case you don't already know, fortunately God is not only just but also merciful. When Jesus died for the world's sins, He won forgiveness and salvation for all, so those who believe in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God still loves you and will support you if you allow him. May God bless you and keep you through the rest of your life.
Geez “they” have convinced young women that childbirth is trauma. Such a sad world we live in. I have 4 kids never thought “trauma” being pregnant and 2 pregnancies were tough.
Her hand goes up as if he's cutting her off from saying something intelligent, then...nothing. Better to say silent then to reveal your darkness---although it's important to see how damaged our country has become.
It’s wild to hear these comparisons lol
Very interesting debate, I'm surprised this video doesn't have more views. Considering the number of comments, I would speculate its being supressed.
My two pennies - and I would to mention that I am against most abortions, a majority of the time they are not an ethical option, and there is a better way to manage the situation. Something like 95%+ of terminations are for social reasons.
But I do have a lot of knowledge about this area of healthcare and I would like to point out some things:
- California has a very low maternal mortality rate. There are other US states with rates over 8X this, which is shockingly high for a developed country. The actual death rate figure is also the tip of the iceberg - underneath that will be a whole load of ITU admissions, permanent injuries, blood clots, near deaths, 4th degree tears ect ect and there will be quite a lot more of these than there are deaths. This is something that I often find quite frustrating with these sort of debates, kind of like the 'clump of cells/tumor' argument on the other side. The risks of birth for the mother can vary from being fairly low to having a high risk of death depending on her health, access to healthcare, quality of that healthcare, if any issues develop in the pregnany ect.
- There are some situations, outside of ectopic pregnancies where the pregnancy does significantly threaten the life of the mother. Often these are when the mother is in very poor health herself. For example, serious cardio-vascular problems could mean the mother's system cannot cope with both her and a baby. Breast cancer or other reproductive cancers - pregnancy hormones cause these tumors to grow very rapidly. These woman are usually advised to terminate, due to the effect chemo will have on foetal development - some actually refuse and their survival chances could be very low as a result. I could list a few more if you like or go into further detail. With regards to these pregnancies, which make up a small proportion, this is not a black and white issue.
I thought those kinds were not classified as abortion? 2:59
That's only ectopics, not any other circumstances.
I would argue that the treatment for an ectopic is abortion - the definition of abortion is the deliberate ending of a human pregnancy. If you have ectopic pregnancy, you take a drug that ends the pregnancy which works most of the time. You're pregnant before you take the drug, you're not pregnant after - how is it not abortion? If not there are surgical methods to treat.
If you don't treat it, the baby (at embryo stage) will 100% die when the tube ruptures and so will the mother. It's the most clear cut case where abortion is obviously moral, but the assertion it is not abortion is not correct. @@LJoseph-zs9bu
@@thesavagekitti5668 Actually the assertion that it is not abortion is absolutely correct. The medical definition of abortion is "Deliberate termination of human pregnancy...". The general definition of pregnancy for humans is "The state between conception and birth, during which the fertilized egg develops in the uterus", with emphasis on developing in the uterus. Ectopic pregnancy results in the child being developed outside of the uterus - therefore its not actually a pregnancy - therefore not abortion.
No, I disagree.
RCOG (royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists), define abortion as:
Ending a pregnancy using either medicines (medical abortion) or an operation (surgical abortion).
RCOG is the UK equivalent of ACOG (American college of obstetricians and gynaecologists), so this is the most knowledgeable organisation regarding pregnancy, childbirth, gynae issues ect. They write guidelines for obstetricians and gynaecologists to follow.
Additionally, at the implantation stage, it can implant somewhere that is still technically uterine, but is still dangerous, such as very close to the cervix. If this is left untreated can also result in massive hemorrhage needing serious interventions, such as hysterectomy to prevent death of the woman.
Different organisations will define a term slightly differently. As different dictionaries will.
@@thesavagekitti5668 Britbong opinions are generally discarded though.
At two points in this conversation, she says a child is only valuable if it is wanted and a child is a disease. This is the logical conclusion of secular, humanist worldviews. Absolutely deplorable.
Our society needs to reform the college enrollment qualifications.
How does Hayden not lose his cool. This is an example where the pro choice person isn’t intellectually impaired, they’re not brainwashed, they’re just a person who is okay with murdering a baby. You’re excellent at this Hayden awesome watch
You have the patience of a saint. This girl acted so obnoxious.
I appreciate she didnt have a meltdown..... but omg she is clueless.
Am amazed at how this young lady thinks she is heartless
"Self defense "!? People these days will cry victimhood out of literally anything.
A recommendation for women who don't want to give birth: don't have sex. There is a causal relationship. It astounds me how many of these girls parrot what I assume some professor preached to them, that pregnancy and childbirth is some kind of unnatural trauma inflicted upon their bodies (as opposed to an amazing and very natural consequence of their actions). I don't suppose these instructors mention the ways pregnancy and childbirth can benefit a woman: easier periods, lower risk of cancers, MS, strokes, etc. And that's not even mentioning the incredible privilege of bringing a new life into the world to love along with your husband. Don't think it's a privilege? Don't have a husband? Refer back to the beginning of this comment.
How wicked and debased our society has become that so many woman abhor the uniqueness and beauty of being the bearers of human life. 😢
You could also argue that abortion also would cause trama to the mother. Both physically is mentally.
This is very sad. It's terrible to see young women this misguided
You guys don't disagree. She just suppresses her conscience and you don't. That's the only difference.
I'm inclined to agree. They know the truth themselves, they just choose to ignore it.
@@ReligiousGIts apparent, warping the definitions to make it rest easier in the soul
I think I've left earth.
I can’t believe how long I bought into the propaganda constantly presented by pro-choicers; your videos made me realize that they regurgitate the same arguments over and over with no logical basis whatsoever. AND it took me way too long to realize you also make those amazing SAT videos! I knew that I know you from somewhere else 😂 Your SAT videos carried me through my Dec DSAT. God bless you 🤍
This girl never even had the tiniest inkling of a valid argument. Just throwing out wild claims and when that doesn’t work, throwing out something else. She’s never thought it through before.
God help us…
There are literally no pro-abortion arguments. As someone who once was pro-abortion, it was devastating to discover. It took time for me really accept it.
I keep finding so many individuals that have well thought out and articulated opinions against abortion.
Can’t really find many that have thought through, researched, and can articulate for abortion.
The word extrapolation comes to mind.