Still blows my mind that you even need a Class B w/ passenger endorsement to drive a 10+ passenger van in California (commercially). But you can go out and buy a 40 foot Motorhome and tow a boat behind it with no prior experience needed...
At one time this was a free country now your only free to comply with whatever some badge wearing gun toting individual makes claim to . They all claim the other cop in the other state doesn't know what he's talking about.
It is about road taxes and protecting the general motorist from ill kept equipment. I've seen some junk taken out of service at weigh stations over the year. In my area we had a problem with half broken down dump trucks for years. It took someone getting T boned and killed at a light by a busted up piece of junk dump truck who had bad brakes to things cleaned up around here.
Call D.O.T. and tell them you have a F450 dually and it's only ever used for personal use but you want a DOT # anyway. They will refuse to issue you one. I know. I tried.
Thanks for making great videos! I’ve been stopped at the AG station on the 15 towing my RV trailer back from Vegas. I keep a not for hire on the truck now to keep the DOT mosquitos away.
Love all your setups, Sam... learned a lot from your videos and I think you're an asset to people who use RUclips for tutorials, product reviews, and just general entertainment..
I'm a DOT Officer. You are correct Sir. You are subject to the Federal Regulations if you are in commerce (making money, furthering the business (any business)), and registered over 17,000 lbs intrastate or registered over 10,000 lbs interstate. People use "personal use" a lot and we have to determine if they are telling the truth. "Not For Hire" means nothing to me. If I can't 100% determine if you are in commerce I give you the benefit of the doubt. I would definitely stop you with that setup and see if it's personal use. I would question why such a big trailer for personal use but you explained it and are free to go. I would think it is a big setup for personal use but not unheard of. A recent example..... I saw a F-550 towing a large trailer with a large excavator on it. No DOT numbers on the truck. He was interstate and registered over 10,000 lbs. total. I checked the registrations and they came back to an out of state construction company. I spoke to the driver and he owned the company but said he was taking the excavator to his daughters to help her do work at her house. I asked what her address was and he didn't know but said she was about 10 minutes away. I asked him what her name was and he gave me her maiden name not married name. I wanted to cross reference her name in our computer to see if I could find an address for her. Nothing came up and everything was sounding suspicious. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he had his family in the truck and wasn't wearing traditional work clothes. An opposite example.... I stopped a guy in his own personal pickup with a large personal trailer and some kind of machinery/generator on the trailer. Everything combined was registered over 17'000 lbs (intrastate). No DOT numbers or name on the truck. The truck and trailer were registered to him. He said he was taking the generator to be tested for his company and they needed it there quick so he volunteered to use his truck and trailer. He is on the clock for the company and also this would be "in commerce" because he is furthering the company and he needs the company's DOT name and number on the truck and is subject to ALL the Federal Regulations. Some are clear cut and some are not. At least 90% of the citations I write go to the company and not the driver.
Peter Bilt - I have a question for you. I will be pulling a 11,500lb skid steer with a few forestry attachments from Dallas to Magalia California to help my mother in law with clearing fire breaks around her property. This setup will surely be a tad over 26000lbs, however everything I’m hauling is my person equipment and i will not be advancing any type of company or profiting on this trip. Would this constitute not needing any of the DOT / FMCSA requirements, or will I need any certifications ? Thanks in advance
Austin V you are NOT subject to the Federal Regulations (DOT numbers/FMCSA, etc) since you are not making any money even though you are registered over 10000 pounds traveling interstate (crossing state lines). However you will most likely need a higher class license for your state. I am in PA and you would need a non-commercial CDL based on weight. I am not familiar with Texas to California state law requirements but I’m guessing you need the higher class non-commercial CDL. We get this a lot with personal RV type vehicles and trailers with drivers not realizing they need a non-commercial CDL based on weight.
Peter Bilt, I am an owner of a company that from time to time might need to transport small forklifts or electric pallet jacks between our warehouse locations. If I'm using a company pickup truck pulling a personal flatbed trailer with a 9,500 lb. GVWR, would this be subject to Federal Regs? The trailer has brakes on all four wheels with breakaway, etc.
Greg Read this will depend on the registered weight of your pickup truck. By what you have said I would determine you are “in commerce”. If you are intrastate (not crossing state lines) I would add the registered weight of the truck to the registered weight of the trailer. If it is over 17,000 pounds total, then YES you are subject to the federal regulations. The trailer registered to you and not the company does not matter because you are in commerce for the business (furthering the business by moving equipment where it needs to be). Let’s say your truck is a half ton which would register around 7000 pounds. 7000 (truck registered weight) plus 9500 (trailer registered weight) is under 17000 so that configuration is under 17000 pounds and NOT subject to federal regulations. I have seen registration weights at exactly 17,000 pounds which is NOT subject to the regulations. Add 1 pound and they would be. AND........ when I get a vehicle or trailer that the weight is under-registered to save money, I pull out the portable scales for overweight violations. Then we go by what the door VIN tag says for weight which is the vehicle weight rating by the manufacturer. I see that every once in a while. Remember if you cross state lines (interstate) the weight drops to 10,000 pounds for the federal regulations.
As far as it goes around here, you're perfectly legal in your personal vehicle. That's how people get away with hauling a 17,000 lb camper without having any special license.
Or boats. The difference here is the trailer is pulling is normally used for commercial work. He said he does have a class A license all the way to and including airbrakes. Like you said he should have no problems.
Whihc is absurd. Government logic. Someone can be in a 16 foot box truck or a cargo van with dual rear wheels that has a GVWR of 12k lbs....If those are being used for interstate commerce, or intrastate beyond a 150 air mile radius, these owner/operators must have a USDOT /MC number or lease to a company and operate under their Authority. Meanwhile, the states and federal government allows a septuagenarian with so-so eyesight and the reflexes of a three toed sloth be able to operate a 45 foot long 30k lb Motorcoach RV towing a 5,000lb full sized SUV and the guy in the box truck or cargo van is a menace to society.
I was up in New Hampshire in 2016 with my Lance truck camper on the back of my 2012 3500 Dually crew cab 4x4 but have the truck registered commercial through my business and have a class A CDL and medical card.... pulled into a rest stop and right into a D.O.T and State police inspection....so I'm like okay.... waiting my turn and two troopers come up to me and say.... what are you doing in this line ?... I'm like sign says DOT truck inspection.... They said you are exempt because you're carrying a camper and recreational vehicles are exempt...I said but It's a commercially registered company truck which I also use for camping... and I have a class A license and medical card....he says..as long as you have a camper whether it's truck mounted or towing it..you don't need to stop for any scales or inspections.... I'm like okay.. but is that only in New Hampshire ? He says nope that's a federal law so you're good anywhere you go.... He also says. We already ran your plates and license and your all good.... and have a great trip !
@@hey_youtubeim_back2159 ... that's the rule for most cases, but as soon as you have camper or RV plates you are basically exempt from everything, including air brake endorsements. They treat a 40k lb Prevost RV the same as an E-350 camper conversion.
Full support of you and the channel. You dot your I's and cross your T's always very calculated and within your capability. Hell even if you were an outlaw trucker I'd still be proud to roll with you
Great job. I noticed some scales in California have signs that say “No Pick Ups” so you can modify a bed to fit the 5500. The furniture you got from your sister can never ever be sold or it becomes a commercial load. No getting rid of it at a yard sale. Ha! Keep the great videos coming.
I came to this so late lol. If the GVWR of the truck is over 11500 no matter what use its for you are no longer a pickup and need special stickers and have to stop at weigh stations.
Idk about comifornia but most states if it’s not being used or owned by a commercial entity there is absolutely no need for any dot numbers or pulling into weight stations
@@DieselRamcharger Sadly, I wanted to get myself a flatbed for personal use as it'd be cheaper then replacing my clapped out bed. This has me hesitating to do that, I don't live in CA but I do want to take trips there in that truck as it's my only mode of transportation.
@@92powerdiesel61 I'm fairly certain that if your truck has a flatbed on it and it is registered out of the state of California then I don't think that they can do anything about it.
I was owner/operator of big trucks. Hauled sand rock ect. I was NOT FOR HIRE. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PRODUCT\/ YOU BY PRODUCT N HAUL ""YOUR"" PRODUCT. IT DOES NOT BECOME OTHER PERSONS PROPERTY TILL I DUMP LOAD ON THEIR PROPERTY THEN U COLLECT YOUR MONEY BACK PROPERTY!!! IF U R NOT FOR HIRE N OPERATE WITHIN 200 MILE RADIOUS OF YOUR HOME BASE U """"DO NOT"""" HAVE TO HAVE YOUR NAME ON DOOR!!!!! OPERATE IN YOUR STATE ONLY, DO NOT HAUL OTJER PEOPLES PROPERTY U DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE USDOT # EITHER!!! USDOT IS FOR FORHIRE IN STATE N APPORTIONED TAGS TO RUN INTERSTATE!!!!! AS LONG AS U BUY ENOUGH WEIGHT TAGS IE= 30,000 # TAGS TO COVER EMPTY WT + LOAD WT WITH SOME EXTRA POUNDAGE TO SPARE GROSS VEHICLE WT TAG INSIDE DOOR JAMB DOSE NOT APPLY TO WHAT YOUR GROSS WT IS WHEN LOADED! DONT FORGET EVEN THOUGH U NOT FOR HIRE U STILL NEED CDL LICENCE IF U OPERATE VEHICLE LICENED (OVER)-26,000#, PERIOD!!!! EVEN UNDER 26,000# U STILL NEED CDL IF YOUR TRUCK HAS AIR BRAKES!!!!! IE:: AIR OVER HYDROLIC, OR STRAIGHT AIR!!!!!! THANK U FOR READING THIS. I HOPE IT HELPS. I WAS OWN/OP FER30 YRS... JUS LETTIN YALL KNOW WHAT IVE LEARNRD DEALING WITH THOSE SHIT FER BRAINS DOT/DMV ASSWIPES HERE IN GPOD OLE NAWTH KACKALACKY!!!!---aka -NORTH CAROLINA. YALL KEEP DA BUGS OFFN YER GLASS N DA BEARS OFFN YER ASS!!! IM GONE!!!!! HIPPIE
In California last I understood all pickups are registered as commercial vehicles and are charged dmv fees based on "toneage" weight ...1/2 ton being cheapest and going up from there. If you put a tonue cover or shell on it you can register as passenger vehicle, but can get in trouble hauling items in it. California loves their fees
The more your channel grows the more critics you will hear from. You will have people determined to ruin and do as much damage as possible. The true followers who appreciate your work and your efforts to share your life will continue to follow and as always the thumbs up. From your fan in Italia.
I have a Place in Michigan and Farm in Kentucky Farm plated F250 and same trailer. No stickers nothing F Kalifornia I ride through Ohio weekly never bothered.
Love your style, and in CA too lol. I've struggled with getting a CDL but decided not to. My CVWR is 44,000 lbs (F550 with 20+5 dual tandem), I haul heavy loads, from bulldozers, loaders, even yesterday I hauled a 20' container BUT everything I haul is MINE, I own it and it is NEVER used in a commercial enterprise to make money. Every CDL manual for the states I've had to drive in or through has the exemption for the personal and or recreational vehicles, this is what makes me comfortable with my decision. Thanks for the video Sam!
@@renzorenzo9736 I've been pulled over by a few state troopers and they all want to know why I blew through their weigh station. I simply tell them I am non-commercial and show proof of ownership of truck, trailer, and goods on the trailer and they all give me a stink eye smirk and let me go on about my business.
hopeandbranden 🤦🏻♂️ its just funny guy no need to get pussy hurt, i don’t care what you drive. I have a 3500 dually thats a flatbed that I use to daily drive too... I bought a gas saver because a dually isn’t practical for doing 150+ miles a day.
@@blacksheep9734 ask what your point was. You act like your better then anyone else. News flash nobody cares. Some folks will only drive fullsize diesel trucks as a daily and some drive mini vans.
All good information. Your not the only one with an out of the box disappointment. A few months back, I bought a PJ dump trailer, got a deal🙄. Brakes out of adjustment, two of four wheels loose and missing 4 lug nuts, hydraulic reservoir over filled and blew all over the place, back doors were out of alignment and needed to be worked. Happy now though😃. Enjoy your new set up and thanks for sharing👍👍👍🇺🇸
When it comes to crossing or passing scales, the dot can treat you however they want. Legal or not. They can always find something to mess with you over. Im glad that you are doing well.
Nice video. I dont run DOT just CA number. Go into oregon all the time no problem. Also says trucks with 20k gvw must enter good thing were at 19.5 lol
I know I took my set up (3500 srw diesel with a 40 ft 20k lb trailer) with pictures to the dmv office here in Florida and explained it was to haul my mudding toys to events and they called the state office in Tallahassee and said I did not need a cdl or dot numbers of any kind. Same scenario as a 45 ft class A diesel pusher motorhome with a 30 ft enclosed trailer behind it. No special licensing needed.
73cjproject ... you can thank the RV industry for that. You can drive a 40k pound Prevost RV with a big trailer without a CDL as long as it's privately owned.... and no age limit (retired people) or medical card needed.
Used my C60 and a friends 40 foot shipping container trailer to pick up and bring home 10 40 foot High cubes. I bought them to use for building my home.
In the Drone world, if you make a RUclips video with the drone and get money from it, that flight is commercial. So if the FAA was running the DOT, you might technically get a lengthy warning letter lol. But my Cummins has passenger plates too so I feel ya! Fun video.
Love the channel!!! Honestly I think it is a California thing. I have the same truck and 5 different trailers that our all personal use. I live in Oklahoma and travel all surrounding states and farther for personal use and never have had a problem. You can always come to Oklahoma and get away from those taxes we definitely would welcome you
I appreciated the narration of this. There’s a huge amount of misinformation out there regarding personal trucks and licensing. I wish TN didn’t require a CDL and had a restricted class A for personal use. But I’ll end up getting a CDL just because of the weights and trailers involved. I’m non commercial as well, but I’ll have to have the CDL the way I interpret the laws, rules, and regulations.
Different states have different requirements. Difference between your enclosed trailer and your open trailer as far as the bug station, they can see what you're hauling on the trailer. DOT regulations are for commerce. You can drive a semi as personal use. You need "Not for hire" signs visible and you're not under DOT regulations.
Man I love the content, been watching your channel for years. Just don’t pay the super truckers no mind. It doesn’t matter if you are over loaded all the damn time or not. It’s non of anyone’s business. I feel sure they don’t abide by the laws all the time. You have to get the job done either way. Regardless you have covered everything just fine man. Keep it up!
Whoa there buddy calm down..there is a difference between over loaded by 10lbs vs 10,000. just like with anything in life you have to use common sense.
The back of my tilt car trailer hangs out past the rear axles like that. Makes turning at intersections a little hairy if you are squeezed into lanes with other people next to you
I got the William Painter sunglasses ad before the video. It’s the same pitch man as the Dr Squatch soap ad. I ask you, is he the new Billy Mays? Here’s hoping.
There are videos floating around that to pull a personal fifth wheel camper with a 3500 dully you need a certain class CDL. ( I can not remember what class was talked about in the video)Or for that matter any trailer. I haul my New Holland TC33d compact tractor in my 12,000 lb dump trailer with my 03 Dodge 2500 a lot of the summer. I have never been stopped by the DOT. Your video is great information! Thank you
Excellent video, I don't know the laws in the states cause I live in Newfoundland,Canada and I don't know all the details in towing trailers here, but if it's a commercial vehicle you have to enter into the scale area.
its absolutely legal. I'm from Texas and I'm working in Minnesota currently. Pulled my 40' gooseneck all the way here and will be pulling it back next month. I always drive 5mph or more over the speed limit. I never stop at scales, no DOT #'s and have never had any problems. I have Class A CDL with all endorsements and DOT #'s on my SEMI. I haul anything i want on my gooseneck because everything i do is personal use.
U would b all good in TX as far as I know and have experienced. I have been pulled over in my personal rig numerous times with a trailer and never been told I needed my DOT # on the truck. I just hauled a 15k tractor on a dual tandem trailer from SE Missouri back to Dallas, TX. Passed numerous scales and all sorts of different law enforcement, including DOT. Who knows... maybe they just had bigger fish to fry. Keep up the great work and content Sam!
I've gone by scales heavy and had no problems I'm following the sign it says no pick ups so they don't want me me in there. One time a few years ago I was coming back from Washington on the i5 and I was up above Redding and I lost all truck brakes and power steering and exhaust brake and blew by the scales going down hill doing like 65 and no problems I eventually got it stopped safely tho live you videos Sam
Imagine how mind blown the haters would get when they find out you can buy a tractor and full size trailer and still not need a CDL while not for hire.
This is not true. You need a CDL at 26,001 lbs and over on the GCVWR. It doesn't matter if it's personal or not. The question is if officers are going to enforce it or not. Generally, they leave people alone on personal vehicles, but you are definitely subject to the law, whether you are for hire or not.
I live in SW Wisconsin and only a 15 minute drive from both Iowa and Illinois. I have talk to all three states DOT about this same thing and they have all told me as long as I'm not making money that I don't have to worry about DOT number. And just because your buddy is paying you 20 bucks to take his lawnmower across town that doesn't count as making money.
New subber on this channel, Love what you are doing. Have gone been looking on the last 15 clips an love it. Going to the beginning and see them ALL. Love from Sweden at 3:20 AM
I make short runs with my personal dually and 35ft goose neck. I cross state lines and the loads belong to a commercial company but I have no numbers or any of that crap. California is screwed up!
I run Not for hire and personal use only stickers on all my trailers in Washington. But my truck is licensed for 32000 witch makes it so I need my CDL. In Washington it states any trailer gvw over 10000 lbs is required to have a CDL. But they are just now starting to in force the laws. Love your videos. Im a retired trucker 2 million miles on the road . Now I just play with my tractor's
Just because its a gooseneck trailer does NOT mean that it is used for COMMERCE. Lots of people own gooseneck trailers and use them personally to haul atv's/utv's like he said. I've used mine to haul tractor/brush hog to land I owned at the time while when we were building our home. I haul firewood to family members. I use it for lots of things. The part people don't/can't seem to understand is that if your not using it in a way that generates revenue/income then it's considered PERSONAL USE. PERIOD, END OF STORY!
@@markrugman1435 Wrong! Being a gooseneck has nothing to do with the way a trailer is being used. If its not being used in a manner that supports/generates revenue/income then its considered personal use. Hauling furniture, automobiles, motorcycles/atv's, gravel, brush, dirt, or anything else possible. If it's being used for COMMERCE (either intrastate or interstate) only then is it required to have DOT #'s, Gross weight rating, etc. etc.
I was just pulled over twice in the last 6 months. I was hauling my little tractor not for hire as well. They both told me one cop a dot and one cop chp. They both told me the same thing 26k with a single vehicle if u add a trailer anything over 10k for personal not for hire needs a none commercial cdl no dot numbers needed. If making money with it need cdl mc and dot . I still have the tickets if interested in what they wrote me up for.
I took a Chevy 3500 dually with a 30’ gooseneck, put a 3500 duramax on the gooseneck hauled it from Minnesota to South Carolina for personal use. Never hit a scale never was stopped. Talked to a state trooper when I was filling up the truck. It’s a non issue.
It is an issue, you just havent been caught yet. I guess it's not illegal until you get caught. Commercial DOT cops are different than regular cops. Regular cops are clueless in commercial FMCSA rules, because they hand out parking tickets and know nothing else.
@@VBELTandSON How does the title read for it? Is it in your personal name and your personal insurance or is your business paying for the tags and insurance? That is what defines the difference between commercial and personal. As you will be using that trailer for work at times. It a gray area. Be safe, great videos
@@VBELTandSON Just going from past experience . I guy from work borrowed the big trailer from work. He got in to a bad accident while towing it. The D.O.T took the trailer to go over the load and check the chains, brakes the whole 9 yards.The lawyers ended up taking the company to court and won as the had bigger pockets to drain. I'm sure legal wise your fine to tow it as you did but liability wise it goes off who's name is on the trailer.
It's private not personal. The people are not persons. Persons are employed. People have no duties. Using the legal name and date of birth incorporated you into the corporation as a citizen. Never call yourself citizen or resident unless you fully comprehend and you want to. This is not a joke.
Great info. Appreciate it. I’m not even a trucker. Iam 66 yrs. old And I plan on getting my class B license to help out my son with his wild fire fighting water 6 wheel drive truck in Northern California. Have safe travels.
Did you know that emergency vehicles do not require a CDL license to drive them? Fire departments or hot shot crews driving water trucks. As long as you are on the job of firefighting, you dont need a CDL. I believe when I found that, FEMA website had that information. But DO NOT TAKE NY WORD FOR IT, do your own research on Government websites Not personal opinions from want a be drivers.
@19:53 you can see what it is if you look closely at the logo. LoL but ya I'm a gear jammer and I don't run anything that small. So you do you and i do me. Don't know why everyone hate to hate on everyone else.
I have been a tractor trailer driver since 1996. I have a class A cdl. As long as you're using your pickup and trailer totally for personal use you are not a commercial vehicle and you are not required to have all the markings on your pickup. With that said you can also use your work truck that does have all the MC numbers and use it as a personal vehicle and be legal to use it as a personal vehicle as well. As long as you're not engaging in any for hire commerce
I used to drive an f350 wrecker with no name, numbers and no “not for hire” sticker as my personal vehicle. DOT pulled me over once and once I told him it was my daily driver and I didn’t use it for making money, he said have a nice day.
If you keep the stock style bed you won't get hassled as much. If you got an aftermarket bed such as the CM truck bed CA dot automatically assumes your a commercial truck, at least the one's in the tulare ca to fresno ca area.
Your personal vehicle doesn’t need to be registered period. If you decide to put it in service then you register it. I have an F250 it’s been a grocery getter. Eventually it’ll go into service and I’ll get my DOT and MC numbers at that time. Great video man
Okay to begin with you said your trucks up forwards going to make you money you do your own homework and double-check it just to cover your butt and stay within your legal limits don't worry or be concerned about what all these other wannabes say out here I was a driver for 31 years and I drove on and off military bases doing high-security loads and otherwise I was considered just a common carrier to the public I made some very sweet money and I don't care who said what I did all of that with a college education I made more money driving a truck grew up around the business and just stay with your legal limits on what you need to do it doesn't matter what the other guy thinks they're just a bunch of bucket mouse anyway that's all so just wish double-check do your homework and it's a money make you a money maker keep it plain and simple stick with the basics in life and I do mean the basics and you will go far you take care of Ella and have a good time Trucking out there there's nothing wrong with it I made a good living with it for many years
We operate in the South, headquartered out of Mississippi, we run 550s and 36' goosenecks, and we don't worry about any numbers in our commercial pickups, we only run DOT numbers on our tractor trailers and have no issues
it depends on how much the truck it self weights. like where I am from DOT do mess with 1ton dually because they are 10000 lbs or more. empty and DOT are not needed but are supposed to be annually inspected
The way I see it, if your GCWR is above 21,000 pounds or if the vehicle has air brakes, you should need a CDL. The only time you'd need a DOT/MC number is if you are engaged in inter/intrastate commerce, otherwise a "not-for-hire" sign should be posted.
Hey there Sam truly enjoy your videos thanks for taking time out of your day 2 film for us. Do you not need commercial license plate for commercial use? So if you're driving with personal plates on your vehicle what makes these guys think that you have to conform 2 hauling for hire. Some of their reasoning does not make sense maybe they want you to hire your equipment moved only so they have a job , yes they've never been in your position before they trying to get equipment home when and where you need it by trying to hire it done it just doesn't work out. If they would have stopped you all you would have had to tell him that you bought this trailer in Nevada and you're towing it home and will get the necessary paperwork when you get home which is California. I will never forget here in Oregon when they went to a commercial driver's license they had special Department of Motor Vehicle offices set up all over the state to do the written test or whatever you call it. And guys that had been driven for 1520 years we're failing the test and all they did was trying argue with the people at the DMV if they've been driving for 20 years and that's wrong and it's that the other thing. None of them figured out that what was in the book is what they wanted for an answer not necessarily what was right what was wrong they wanted their answer. I think truckers are hassled way too much and they believe you do too LOL thanks ldr
I asked my dad from Oregon about my personal California 5th wheel trailer project and re-registering because I am moving out of state and flat bedding it. He said well don’t worry about it, once I hit the border I won’t need registration where I am going 😂
Im in so cal and I work at a feed store and I can’t tell you how many people have dually pick up trucks. They all have them for personal use. Never seen dot #. And some are up there in Weight. But seem to do just fine. I think you are ok with the grocery getter.
I haven't studied this for awhile, but I believe there are two entities that we are capable of engaging others as: 1. We conduct commerce as a public citizen, with other public entities, and 2. We can contract as private entities with any other private entity, and that our right to contract without restriction is protected by constitution. So, as far as I know, that means that you can even "earn" in some situations in whatever vehicle you choose. Or as you say, "personal use", because, for example, earning a wage to eat and survive is a right protected by the 9th amendment, etc.
Thanks for the video. You are 100% fine. Not being paid? Don't need DOT or MC number. You own the cargo? Same Your neighbors cargo? Same, not necessary unless you are being paid to haul your neighbors stuff. CDL class A might be needed though (I know you have yours) if your combined GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds (and at the same time hooked to a trailer with a GVWR that exceeds 10,000 pounds) or hazmat or hauling around 16 people. There are one or two states that are screwy and say if "you have a GVWR combined over 26,000 pounds OR hooked to a trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds"!! Here's the other 48 states/FMCSA definition: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater. That's straight from FMCSA website. No CDL needed when my 9,000 GVWR truck is pulling my 14,000 GVWR trailer because they don't exceed 26,000 pounds combined.
tractor time with tim has a good video that goes into all the details with a state trooper on commercial verse non commercial use and when you have to use weigh stations, etc.
In Ca all of our personal pick ups are registered commercial. the give away is the one letter on the plate in lieu of 3 for a personal non commercial truck or car(truck with a shell) can be registered non commercial
I agree with with you about the speed limit and I agree with with about your personal truck and trailer if I understand correctly there is non commercial CDL license to cover the combined weight of the truck and trailer i think california is the main state that some what enforce it
I roll in Atlantic Canada. Run an F800 with 2 trailers I own, all 3 registered in my name. Have a CDL, and paid the registration fees for the DMV's weight-rated haulers. Even paid a new additional fee to become an NSC operator. I haul my own items only. Not commercially plated either, as such is not required... but paying for weight is O.K. The mandatory-minimum of $2M insurance is hefty / annually. Every time I'm close to a weigh scale, I pull into the right lane. If my trailer is empty, the lights after the camera's say "Truck pass scale". If anything is loaded on my trailer... "Truck report to scale". No issues yet, but given the times of today, safely guess it won't be long until the needless hassle begins. In Canada, "NOT FOR HIRE" decals are like an automatic target. I also do not have decals that state :Fire extinguisher inside", nor "First Aid Kit on board". Respects to you. Love your videos. Tom.
My DOT buddy in Ohio told me to never put a "not for hire" on the truck he said those are the first he targets because so many people try and use that to hide behind. He also said around these parts if I was pulled over in my 5500 dump w 2 ton of stone and I am going to my house then I am personal, however if I say I am taking one ton to my house and one ton to my buddies that I could be subject to fines since it's not all for my personal use. Worst part of any of this is you can get pulled over by 5 different officers and I'll get at least 4 different interpretation, and same when I called the federal DOT office . I am all for safety, I know of an accident a friend was in where lives were lost, so now I try and go over kill on trucks and trailers, but man this has sure caused me a bunch of grief with DOT stuff, I've had a CDL for 25 years but always seems like I am missing something when pulled over, and I know of several guys hauling skid steer a on over loaded 10k trailers w pick up trucks because of all this, which works for them, until it doesn't...... My .02 is we force people to do dumb stuff because there is no middle ground, not everyone needs a CDL just to tow a skid steer, there should be something in the middle.
There are lots, and lots, and lots of grey areas in the California Vehicle Code. You're 100% in the right. If you had the Primetech on that trailer, behind your other truck, that's a different story. But as loaded in this video.....You're all good. well done, sir.
The first mistake is being in California!
You remind me of JB from Louisiana Cajun Recipes, check out his channel if you want to learn some BBQ techniques.
YUP!!!!!! Born and raised there, great state but falling to shit literally
Amen brother. California: The Land of Fruits and Nuts
Spell it right.
CRAPifornia! Or
COMMIfornia!
If you can start a private business in California and survive you are doing something right and will survive in any state except maybe New York
Still blows my mind that you even need a Class B w/ passenger endorsement to drive a 10+ passenger van in California (commercially). But you can go out and buy a 40 foot Motorhome and tow a boat behind it with no prior experience needed...
Holy crap that is stupid
@@lmsendit9531 wait till your stuck behind a bunch if them towing side by sides stacked on the 10fwy doing 35mph across all 5 lanes
As long as it’s under 26001
That would be confusing if you thought a cdl-b was some sort of actual qualification. Hint: it's not, it's just to tax your business
NY now requires to get a endorsement on your class d license now if you drive RV or motorhome
At one time this was a free country now your only free to comply with whatever some badge wearing gun toting individual makes claim to . They all claim the other cop in the other state doesn't know what he's talking about.
It is about road taxes and protecting the general motorist from ill kept equipment. I've seen some junk taken out of service at weigh stations over the year. In my area we had a problem with half broken down dump trucks for years. It took someone getting T boned and killed at a light by a busted up piece of junk dump truck who had bad brakes to things cleaned up around here.
@@thomasritter3159 they don't protect shit stop lying
@@Mvp-AngelOfGod save your breathe, they can burn the world in the name of safety..
Slowly but surely, this gets worse with every day that goes by. We are slaves ...and stuff :-(
Lot of sad little boys, your fathers should have spanked your ass so you would act like a man when you were older.
Call D.O.T. and tell them you have a F450 dually and it's only ever used for personal use but you want a DOT # anyway. They will refuse to issue you one. I know. I tried.
Thanks for making great videos! I’ve been stopped at the AG station on the 15 towing my RV trailer back from Vegas. I keep a not for hire on the truck now to keep the DOT mosquitos away.
Love all your setups, Sam... learned a lot from your videos and I think you're an asset to people who use RUclips for tutorials, product reviews, and just general entertainment..
I'm a DOT Officer. You are correct Sir. You are subject to the Federal Regulations if you are in commerce (making money, furthering the business (any business)), and registered over 17,000 lbs intrastate or registered over 10,000 lbs interstate. People use "personal use" a lot and we have to determine if they are telling the truth. "Not For Hire" means nothing to me. If I can't 100% determine if you are in commerce I give you the benefit of the doubt. I would definitely stop you with that setup and see if it's personal use. I would question why such a big trailer for personal use but you explained it and are free to go. I would think it is a big setup for personal use but not unheard of. A recent example..... I saw a F-550 towing a large trailer with a large excavator on it. No DOT numbers on the truck. He was interstate and registered over 10,000 lbs. total. I checked the registrations and they came back to an out of state construction company. I spoke to the driver and he owned the company but said he was taking the excavator to his daughters to help her do work at her house. I asked what her address was and he didn't know but said she was about 10 minutes away. I asked him what her name was and he gave me her maiden name not married name. I wanted to cross reference her name in our computer to see if I could find an address for her. Nothing came up and everything was sounding suspicious. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he had his family in the truck and wasn't wearing traditional work clothes. An opposite example.... I stopped a guy in his own personal pickup with a large personal trailer and some kind of machinery/generator on the trailer. Everything combined was registered over 17'000 lbs (intrastate). No DOT numbers or name on the truck. The truck and trailer were registered to him. He said he was taking the generator to be tested for his company and they needed it there quick so he volunteered to use his truck and trailer. He is on the clock for the company and also this would be "in commerce" because he is furthering the company and he needs the company's DOT name and number on the truck and is subject to ALL the Federal Regulations. Some are clear cut and some are not. At least 90% of the citations I write go to the company and not the driver.
Peter Bilt - I have a question for you. I will be pulling a 11,500lb skid steer with a few forestry attachments from Dallas to Magalia California to help my mother in law with clearing fire breaks around her property. This setup will surely be a tad over 26000lbs, however everything I’m hauling is my person equipment and i will not be advancing any type of company or profiting on this trip. Would this constitute not needing any of the DOT / FMCSA requirements, or will I need any certifications ? Thanks in advance
Austin V you are NOT subject to the Federal Regulations (DOT numbers/FMCSA, etc) since you are not making any money even though you are registered over 10000 pounds traveling interstate (crossing state lines). However you will most likely need a higher class license for your state. I am in PA and you would need a non-commercial CDL based on weight. I am not familiar with Texas to California state law requirements but I’m guessing you need the higher class non-commercial CDL. We get this a lot with personal RV type vehicles and trailers with drivers not realizing they need a non-commercial CDL based on weight.
Peter Bilt, I am an owner of a company that from time to time might need to transport small forklifts or electric pallet jacks between our warehouse locations. If I'm using a company pickup truck pulling a personal flatbed trailer with a 9,500 lb. GVWR, would this be subject to Federal Regs? The trailer has brakes on all four wheels with breakaway, etc.
Greg Read this will depend on the registered weight of your pickup truck. By what you have said I would determine you are “in commerce”. If you are intrastate (not crossing state lines) I would add the registered weight of the truck to the registered weight of the trailer. If it is over 17,000 pounds total, then YES you are subject to the federal regulations. The trailer registered to you and not the company does not matter because you are in commerce for the business (furthering the business by moving equipment where it needs to be).
Let’s say your truck is a half ton which would register around 7000 pounds. 7000 (truck registered weight) plus 9500 (trailer registered weight) is under 17000 so that configuration is under 17000 pounds and NOT subject to federal regulations.
I have seen registration weights at exactly 17,000 pounds which is NOT subject to the regulations. Add 1 pound and they would be.
AND........ when I get a vehicle or trailer that the weight is under-registered to save money, I pull out the portable scales for overweight violations. Then we go by what the door VIN tag says for weight which is the vehicle weight rating by the manufacturer. I see that every once in a while. Remember if you cross state lines (interstate) the weight drops to 10,000 pounds for the federal regulations.
Peter Bilt thank you for all the great information !
As far as it goes around here, you're perfectly legal in your personal vehicle. That's how people get away with hauling a 17,000 lb camper without having any special license.
Or boats. The difference here is the trailer is pulling is normally used for commercial work. He said he does have a class A license all the way to and including airbrakes. Like you said he should have no problems.
Whihc is absurd.
Government logic. Someone can be in a 16 foot box truck or a cargo van with dual rear wheels that has a GVWR of 12k lbs....If those are being used for interstate commerce, or intrastate beyond a 150 air mile radius, these owner/operators must have a USDOT /MC number or lease to a company and operate under their Authority.
Meanwhile, the states and federal government allows a septuagenarian with so-so eyesight and the reflexes of a three toed sloth be able to operate a 45 foot long 30k lb Motorcoach RV towing a 5,000lb full sized SUV and the guy in the box truck or cargo van is a menace to society.
I was up in New Hampshire in 2016 with my Lance truck camper on the back of my 2012 3500 Dually crew cab 4x4 but have the truck registered commercial through my business and have a class A CDL and medical card.... pulled into a rest stop and right into a D.O.T and State police inspection....so I'm like okay.... waiting my turn and two troopers come up to me and say.... what are you doing in this line ?... I'm like sign says DOT truck inspection.... They said you are exempt because you're carrying a camper and recreational vehicles are exempt...I said but It's a commercially registered company truck which I also use for camping... and I have a class A license and medical card....he says..as long as you have a camper whether it's truck mounted or towing it..you don't need to stop for any scales or inspections.... I'm like okay.. but is that only in New Hampshire ? He says nope that's a federal law so you're good anywhere you go.... He also says. We already ran your plates and license and your all good.... and have a great trip !
RV's are exempt from needing the same endorsement unitl a certain Weight threshold. Zcant remember that number but I believe it is 26k
@@hey_youtubeim_back2159 ... that's the rule for most cases, but as soon as you have camper or RV plates you are basically exempt from everything, including air brake endorsements. They treat a 40k lb Prevost RV the same as an E-350 camper conversion.
Full support of you and the channel. You dot your I's and cross your T's always very calculated and within your capability. Hell even if you were an outlaw trucker I'd still be proud to roll with you
I really liked how you explain everything about DOT NOT FOR HIRED
Great job. I noticed some scales in California have signs that say “No Pick Ups” so you can modify a bed to fit the 5500. The furniture you got from your sister can never ever be sold or it becomes a commercial load. No getting rid of it at a yard sale. Ha! Keep the great videos coming.
I came to this so late lol. If the GVWR of the truck is over 11500 no matter what use its for you are no longer a pickup and need special stickers and have to stop at weigh stations.
Idk about comifornia but most states if it’s not being used or owned by a commercial entity there is absolutely no need for any dot numbers or pulling into weight stations
"I just bought this and here is the paper work" solves just about any trouble on the way home
@@DieselRamcharger Sadly, I wanted to get myself a flatbed for personal use as it'd be cheaper then replacing my clapped out bed. This has me hesitating to do that, I don't live in CA but I do want to take trips there in that truck as it's my only mode of transportation.
@@92powerdiesel61 I'm fairly certain that if your truck has a flatbed on it and it is registered out of the state of California then I don't think that they can do anything about it.
@@92powerdiesel61 CALI isnt the only state that does this - NY wouldnt register my vintage flatbed with regular plates. I had to get historic plates.
I was owner/operator of big trucks. Hauled sand rock ect. I was NOT FOR HIRE. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PRODUCT\/ YOU BY PRODUCT N HAUL ""YOUR"" PRODUCT. IT DOES NOT BECOME OTHER PERSONS PROPERTY TILL I DUMP LOAD ON THEIR PROPERTY THEN U COLLECT YOUR MONEY BACK PROPERTY!!! IF U R NOT FOR HIRE N OPERATE WITHIN 200 MILE RADIOUS OF YOUR HOME BASE U """"DO NOT"""" HAVE TO HAVE YOUR NAME ON DOOR!!!!! OPERATE IN YOUR STATE ONLY, DO NOT HAUL OTJER PEOPLES PROPERTY U DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE USDOT # EITHER!!! USDOT IS FOR FORHIRE IN STATE N APPORTIONED TAGS TO RUN INTERSTATE!!!!! AS LONG AS U BUY ENOUGH WEIGHT TAGS IE= 30,000 # TAGS TO COVER EMPTY WT + LOAD WT WITH SOME EXTRA POUNDAGE TO SPARE GROSS VEHICLE WT TAG INSIDE DOOR JAMB DOSE NOT APPLY TO WHAT YOUR GROSS WT IS WHEN LOADED! DONT FORGET EVEN THOUGH U NOT FOR HIRE U STILL NEED CDL LICENCE IF U OPERATE VEHICLE LICENED (OVER)-26,000#, PERIOD!!!! EVEN UNDER 26,000# U STILL NEED CDL IF YOUR TRUCK HAS AIR BRAKES!!!!! IE:: AIR OVER HYDROLIC, OR STRAIGHT AIR!!!!!! THANK U FOR READING THIS. I HOPE IT HELPS. I WAS OWN/OP FER30 YRS... JUS LETTIN YALL KNOW WHAT IVE LEARNRD DEALING WITH THOSE SHIT FER BRAINS DOT/DMV ASSWIPES HERE IN GPOD OLE NAWTH KACKALACKY!!!!---aka -NORTH CAROLINA. YALL KEEP DA BUGS OFFN YER GLASS N DA BEARS OFFN YER ASS!!! IM GONE!!!!! HIPPIE
It's not a commercial vehicle/trailer as far as I understand. You don't need them!
Federal description of a Commercial Vehicle is “Any vehicle over 10k used in the furtherance of a business”
In California last I understood all pickups are registered as commercial vehicles and are charged dmv fees based on "toneage" weight ...1/2 ton being cheapest and going up from there. If you put a tonue cover or shell on it you can register as passenger vehicle, but can get in trouble hauling items in it. California loves their fees
The more your channel grows the more critics you will hear from. You will have people determined to ruin and do as much damage as possible. The true followers who appreciate your work and your efforts to share your life will continue to follow and as always the thumbs up.
From your fan in Italia.
Thank you!
I move my farm equipment back and forth Texas to Tennessee for our family farms no numbers or bs no issues
If youre a farmer its not against the law to do so. I think you have up to 75 miles radius from your home that its allowed (depends on your state)
@@mackwoodcock7484 I ignore that BS its a communist rule ... if I need equipment I have driven 1000 miles one way . I'll go
To hell with hiway nazis.
I have a Place in Michigan and Farm in Kentucky Farm plated F250 and same trailer. No stickers nothing F Kalifornia I ride through Ohio weekly never bothered.
If you move farm equipment and it’s over 26,001 lbs you better have a class A CDL, and if you go over 150 air miles you better be running a log book.
Love your style, and in CA too lol. I've struggled with getting a CDL but decided not to. My CVWR is 44,000 lbs (F550 with 20+5 dual tandem), I haul heavy loads, from bulldozers, loaders, even yesterday I hauled a 20' container BUT everything I haul is MINE, I own it and it is NEVER used in a commercial enterprise to make money. Every CDL manual for the states I've had to drive in or through has the exemption for the personal and or recreational vehicles, this is what makes me comfortable with my decision. Thanks for the video Sam!
If you are a California resident they have a non-commercial class A and B license that is required for anything over 26k GCVWR or a trailer over 10k.
So you haul all of your equipment with a regular driver’s license?
@@projectmayhembronco5457 So is this guy just driving with regular drivers license?
@@renzorenzo9736 Yes, and have never gotten a ticket.
@@renzorenzo9736 I've been pulled over by a few state troopers and they all want to know why I blew through their weigh station. I simply tell them I am non-commercial and show proof of ownership of truck, trailer, and goods on the trailer and they all give me a stink eye smirk and let me go on about my business.
I like the idea of two complete rigs,if you have a bunch of equipment to haul you could load both trailers the night before and save some time
“My grocery getter that happens to be a 3500” 😂😂😂 Lmfao
Mine is I use my f350 as my daily so what's your point?
hopeandbranden 🤦🏻♂️ its just funny guy no need to get pussy hurt, i don’t care what you drive. I have a 3500 dually thats a flatbed that I use to daily drive too... I bought a gas saver because a dually isn’t practical for doing 150+ miles a day.
@@blacksheep9734 ask what your point was. You act like your better then anyone else. News flash nobody cares. Some folks will only drive fullsize diesel trucks as a daily and some drive mini vans.
Chris Struble exactly 😂 i just thought him saying that was funny i dont get this guys problem.
Chris Struble i was thinking he was trying to sound like mr. Big dick bragging that he drives a f350, guess what nobody cares lol
All good information. Your not the only one with an out of the box disappointment. A few months back, I bought a PJ dump trailer, got a deal🙄. Brakes out of adjustment, two of four wheels loose and missing 4 lug nuts, hydraulic reservoir over filled and blew all over the place, back doors were out of alignment and needed to be worked. Happy now though😃. Enjoy your new set up and thanks for sharing👍👍👍🇺🇸
Your grocery getter is all good. I totally agree with you 😎👍 Great video as always 👌
When it comes to crossing or passing scales, the dot can treat you however they want. Legal or not. They can always find something to mess with you over.
Im glad that you are doing well.
Thanks for the info on your video. I think you are hitting the nail on the head.
Very nice trailer Sam thank you for dropping this knowledge on us always informative videos you put out keep it up man!!
Nice video. I dont run DOT just CA number. Go into oregon all the time no problem. Also says trucks with 20k gvw must enter good thing were at 19.5 lol
3:20 i hadn't watched the rest of the video and, yep, ur right, totally legally. Done writing the comment at...4:23 now enjoying rest of video!
I know I took my set up (3500 srw diesel with a 40 ft 20k lb trailer) with pictures to the dmv office here in Florida and explained it was to haul my mudding toys to events and they called the state office in Tallahassee and said I did not need a cdl or dot numbers of any kind. Same scenario as a 45 ft class A diesel pusher motorhome with a 30 ft enclosed trailer behind it. No special licensing needed.
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... you can thank the RV industry for that. You can drive a 40k pound Prevost RV with a big trailer without a CDL as long as it's privately owned.... and no age limit (retired people) or medical card needed.
Used my C60 and a friends 40 foot shipping container trailer to pick up and bring home 10 40 foot High cubes. I bought them to use for building my home.
Stepping up in the world. V Belt and Son trailers. Congratulations on the big jump in a new industry lol
All legal, before I watched the video! Keep rolling Sam.
In the Drone world, if you make a RUclips video with the drone and get money from it, that flight is commercial. So if the FAA was running the DOT, you might technically get a lengthy warning letter lol. But my Cummins has passenger plates too so I feel ya! Fun video.
Love the channel!!! Honestly I think it is a California thing. I have the same truck and 5 different trailers that our all personal use. I live in Oklahoma and travel all surrounding states and farther for personal use and never have had a problem. You can always come to Oklahoma and get away from those taxes we definitely would welcome you
I appreciated the narration of this. There’s a huge amount of misinformation out there regarding personal trucks and licensing. I wish TN didn’t require a CDL and had a restricted class A for personal use. But I’ll end up getting a CDL just because of the weights and trailers involved. I’m non commercial as well, but I’ll have to have the CDL the way I interpret the laws, rules, and regulations.
Different states have different requirements. Difference between your enclosed trailer and your open trailer as far as the bug station, they can see what you're hauling on the trailer. DOT regulations are for commerce. You can drive a semi as personal use. You need "Not for hire" signs visible and you're not under DOT regulations.
Man I love the content, been watching your channel for years. Just don’t pay the super truckers no mind. It doesn’t matter if you are over loaded all the damn time or not. It’s non of anyone’s business. I feel sure they don’t abide by the laws all the time. You have to get the job done either way. Regardless you have covered everything just fine man. Keep it up!
yeah till its your people killed on the hi-way then its all a different story. or your new cars totaled and you lose thousands , in claims.
Whoa there buddy calm down..there is a difference between over loaded by 10lbs vs 10,000. just like with anything in life you have to use common sense.
Awesome video man just to set things straight!!! So many Pre-Madonna’s on RUclips. Love it!!!
Appreciate it thank you
The back of my tilt car trailer hangs out past the rear axles like that. Makes turning at intersections a little hairy if you are squeezed into lanes with other people next to you
I got the William Painter sunglasses ad before the video. It’s the same pitch man as the Dr Squatch soap ad. I ask you, is he the new Billy Mays? Here’s hoping.
" Everyone needs a little inspiration from time to time " Thanks Sam #V-BELTandSON
There are videos floating around that to pull a personal fifth wheel camper with a 3500 dully you need a certain class CDL. ( I can not remember what class was talked about in the video)Or for that matter any trailer. I haul my New Holland TC33d compact tractor in my 12,000 lb dump trailer with my 03 Dodge 2500 a lot of the summer. I have never been stopped by the DOT. Your video is great information! Thank you
Excellent video, I don't know the laws in the states cause I live in Newfoundland,Canada and I don't know all the details in towing trailers here, but if it's a commercial vehicle you have to enter into the scale area.
Good to go here in Texas, we do the exact same thing basically.
Love learning about thingd i never knew
its absolutely legal. I'm from Texas and I'm working in Minnesota currently. Pulled my 40' gooseneck all the way here and will be pulling it back next month. I always drive 5mph or more over the speed limit. I never stop at scales, no DOT #'s and have never had any problems. I have Class A CDL with all endorsements and DOT #'s on my SEMI. I haul anything i want on my gooseneck because everything i do is personal use.
U would b all good in TX as far as I know and have experienced. I have been pulled over in my personal rig numerous times with a trailer and never been told I needed my DOT # on the truck. I just hauled a 15k tractor on a dual tandem trailer from SE Missouri back to Dallas, TX. Passed numerous scales and all sorts of different law enforcement, including DOT. Who knows... maybe they just had bigger fish to fry. Keep up the great work and content Sam!
Tractor time with Tim did a RUclips video with a dot officer explaining everything
Dirt Perfect did as well except without all the hand and arm movements! Officer Hoover was the guy in both videos.
No wonder it's such a PIA the move freight in an out of CA. So much so, I try to never sell anything to anyone in CA.
Agree 100%. Great video sir. I have a 3500 that backs up my 5500 as well. No numbers on the 3500
I've gone by scales heavy and had no problems I'm following the sign it says no pick ups so they don't want me me in there. One time a few years ago I was coming back from Washington on the i5 and I was up above Redding and I lost all truck brakes and power steering and exhaust brake and blew by the scales going down hill doing like 65 and no problems I eventually got it stopped safely tho live you videos Sam
Jesus people, he DOES NOT NEED DOT OR MC Authority! A CDL is all that is needed for personal use vehicles over 26k gvwr.
Gene Fugatt haha thank you! Had fun making this video never the less
Thanks for watching
@@VBELTandSON no worries. Keep the great content coming.
As far as I understand. You can run anything even a Semi (80k) without USDOT#s as long as it's not a Commercial load. (Not For Hire")
J Claydon, thats the way I understand it also, hence these gigantic motor homes that don’t require CDL...
@@jclaydon3454 Correct. I haul a 40' 5th wheel RV with a Pete 330. I have a Class A, but not DOT, CA, or any other numbers required on that rig.
Imagine how mind blown the haters would get when they find out you can buy a tractor and full size trailer and still not need a CDL while not for hire.
This is not true. You need a CDL at 26,001 lbs and over on the GCVWR. It doesn't matter if it's personal or not. The question is if officers are going to enforce it or not. Generally, they leave people alone on personal vehicles, but you are definitely subject to the law, whether you are for hire or not.
@@karlmurphy290 farm here up to 80k non cdl
You got me there. Each state has a whole different set of rules under the farm classification.
@@tico9861 well there are exemptions Jesus h... lets split hairs.. ok 90 percent are not farners....
I live in SW Wisconsin and only a 15 minute drive from both Iowa and Illinois. I have talk to all three states DOT about this same thing and they have all told me as long as I'm not making money that I don't have to worry about DOT number. And just because your buddy is paying you 20 bucks to take his lawnmower across town that doesn't count as making money.
New subber on this channel, Love what you are doing. Have gone been looking on the last 15 clips an love it. Going to the beginning and see them ALL. Love from Sweden at 3:20 AM
Emil Dahl haha glad to have you on board! Thanks for watching🙌🏻
I make short runs with my personal dually and 35ft goose neck. I cross state lines and the loads belong to a commercial company but I have no numbers or any of that crap. California is screwed up!
Very informative. Valid points you made. I think if it's titled in your name and not a company your considered private.
Valid points made from opinion, are not facts, just uneducated opinions and rationalizing.
I run Not for hire and personal use only stickers on all my trailers in Washington. But my truck is licensed for 32000 witch makes it so I need my CDL. In Washington it states any trailer gvw over 10000 lbs is required to have a CDL. But they are just now starting to in force the laws. Love your videos. Im a retired trucker 2 million miles on the road . Now I just play with my tractor's
Keep on rolling. Great looking truck and trailer.
Here's a boot for the Bob Barker's
🥾...lol and a button 🖲️ to push ,cause there fun to push....Have a great weekend ya'll..!
V-BELT and SON - now you see why I recommended that Brand of trailer. Can't wait to upgrade to them as well 👍👍👍
Yes it does if you are polling Gooseneck trailers because they are work trailers not personal use trailers. Your breaking the law end of story
@@markrugman1435 What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with my comment
Just because its a gooseneck trailer does NOT mean that it is used for COMMERCE. Lots of people own gooseneck trailers and use them personally to haul atv's/utv's like he said. I've used mine to haul tractor/brush hog to land I owned at the time while when we were building our home. I haul firewood to family members. I use it for lots of things. The part people don't/can't seem to understand is that if your not using it in a way that generates revenue/income then it's considered PERSONAL USE.
PERIOD, END OF STORY!
@@markrugman1435 Wrong! Being a gooseneck has nothing to do with the way a trailer is being used. If its not being used in a manner that supports/generates revenue/income then its considered personal use. Hauling furniture, automobiles, motorcycles/atv's, gravel, brush, dirt, or anything else possible. If it's being used for COMMERCE (either intrastate or interstate) only then is it required to have DOT #'s, Gross weight rating, etc. etc.
Always enjoy your videos!
I was just pulled over twice in the last 6 months. I was hauling my little tractor not for hire as well. They both told me one cop a dot and one cop chp. They both told me the same thing 26k with a single vehicle if u add a trailer anything over 10k for personal not for hire needs a none commercial cdl no dot numbers needed. If making money with it need cdl mc and dot . I still have the tickets if interested in what they wrote me up for.
I took a Chevy 3500 dually with a 30’ gooseneck, put a 3500 duramax on the gooseneck hauled it from Minnesota to South Carolina for personal use. Never hit a scale never was stopped. Talked to a state trooper when I was filling up the truck. It’s a non issue.
It is an issue, you just havent been caught yet. I guess it's not illegal until you get caught. Commercial DOT cops are different than regular cops. Regular cops are clueless in commercial FMCSA rules, because they hand out parking tickets and know nothing else.
It makes a difference on who paid for it and how it will be registered. If the business is tied to it in any way now it is commercial now.
Dan what business? No business here
Dan not in Texas USA I have no idea about crazy California
@@VBELTandSON How does the title read for it? Is it in your personal name and your personal insurance or is your business paying for the tags and insurance? That is what defines the difference between commercial and personal. As you will be using that trailer for work at times. It a gray area. Be safe, great videos
@@VBELTandSON Just going from past experience . I guy from work borrowed the big trailer from work. He got in to a bad accident while towing it. The D.O.T took the trailer to go over the load and check the chains, brakes the whole 9 yards.The lawyers ended up taking the company to court and won as the had bigger pockets to drain. I'm sure legal wise your fine to tow it as you did but liability wise it goes off who's name is on the trailer.
Dan it will be paid for with my personal money. No business money paying for it. Personal name on title
I hauled a 30 foot travel trailer with my 1 ton dually. I never stopped at truck weigh stations. If I had a skid steer then I could understand.
Great information!
Next week I’m buying me a gooseneck trailer🙏👍
Don’t need if not hauling for hire . Can run personal with a cdl
It's private not personal. The people are not persons. Persons are employed. People have no duties. Using the legal name and date of birth incorporated you into the corporation as a citizen. Never call yourself citizen or resident unless you fully comprehend and you want to. This is not a joke.
@@Youhaverights6 thanks
@@Youhaverights6 be a little more clear?
When I spent the winter in Cali, I observed the 55 speed limit. Lost 1 mpg because my truck is happiest at 62 mph
Gerald Koth right?! 100% believe that.
Great info. Appreciate it. I’m not even a trucker. Iam 66 yrs. old And I plan on getting my class B license to help out my son with his wild fire fighting water 6 wheel drive truck in Northern California. Have safe travels.
Did you know that emergency vehicles do not require a CDL license to drive them? Fire departments or hot shot crews driving water trucks. As long as you are on the job of firefighting, you dont need a CDL. I believe when I found that, FEMA website had that information. But DO NOT TAKE NY WORD FOR IT, do your own research on Government websites Not personal opinions from want a be drivers.
@m.weston7114 lies. You can’t drive a fire truck with a normal class c license.
Just ordered a Navy Hat and pretty excited about it. Can't wait to get it in
Paul Smith thank you!
@19:53 you can see what it is if you look closely at the logo. LoL but ya I'm a gear jammer and I don't run anything that small. So you do you and i do me. Don't know why everyone hate to hate on everyone else.
cash5150 I was going to say the same thing haha
That's a Diamond C trailer, great trailer 👍🏻.
I have been a tractor trailer driver since 1996. I have a class A cdl. As long as you're using your pickup and trailer totally for personal use you are not a commercial vehicle and you are not required to have all the markings on your pickup. With that said you can also use your work truck that does have all the MC numbers and use it as a personal vehicle and be legal to use it as a personal vehicle as well. As long as you're not engaging in any for hire commerce
I used to drive an f350 wrecker with no name, numbers and no “not for hire” sticker as my personal vehicle. DOT pulled me over once and once I told him it was my daily driver and I didn’t use it for making money, he said have a nice day.
That's what california wants you to think, they want your money as soon as possible because it's a taxable item
So what do I need for a personal flatbed tow truck.
Cummins Chevy
No of your business!
@@noworriesmate8287 dam troll
@@dixiemae5042 yeah he has some nice ones.
Dixie Mae hahaha...
Cummins Chevy thank you 😉
If you keep the stock style bed you won't get hassled as much. If you got an aftermarket bed such as the CM truck bed CA dot automatically assumes your a commercial truck, at least the one's in the tulare ca to fresno ca area.
Your personal vehicle doesn’t need to be registered period. If you decide to put it in service then you register it. I have an F250 it’s been a grocery getter. Eventually it’ll go into service and I’ll get my DOT and MC numbers at that time. Great video man
Okay to begin with you said your trucks up forwards going to make you money you do your own homework and double-check it just to cover your butt and stay within your legal limits don't worry or be concerned about what all these other wannabes say out here I was a driver for 31 years and I drove on and off military bases doing high-security loads and otherwise I was considered just a common carrier to the public I made some very sweet money and I don't care who said what I did all of that with a college education I made more money driving a truck grew up around the business and just stay with your legal limits on what you need to do it doesn't matter what the other guy thinks they're just a bunch of bucket mouse anyway that's all so just wish double-check do your homework and it's a money make you a money maker keep it plain and simple stick with the basics in life and I do mean the basics and you will go far you take care of Ella and have a good time Trucking out there there's nothing wrong with it I made a good living with it for many years
I can't remember the last time I read so many words without a single period, comma, or semi-colon.
Wow.
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We operate in the South, headquartered out of Mississippi, we run 550s and 36' goosenecks, and we don't worry about any numbers in our commercial pickups, we only run DOT numbers on our tractor trailers and have no issues
it depends on how much the truck it self weights. like where I am from DOT do mess with 1ton dually because they are 10000 lbs or more. empty and DOT are not needed but are supposed to be annually inspected
The way I see it, if your GCWR is above 21,000 pounds or if the vehicle has air brakes, you should need a CDL.
The only time you'd need a DOT/MC number is if you are engaged in inter/intrastate commerce, otherwise a "not-for-hire" sign should be posted.
Badass setup Sam 😬🙌🏻
mikestruck thanks mike! Can’t compete with your first gen tho hahah
V-BELT and SON hahaha...😆
Just a question but is there a reason your keeping the manufacturer of the trailer hidden? Anyway great vid!
Love your channel bro!
Hey there Sam truly enjoy your videos thanks for taking time out of your day 2 film for us. Do you not need commercial license plate for commercial use? So if you're driving with personal plates on your vehicle what makes these guys think that you have to conform 2 hauling for hire. Some of their reasoning does not make sense maybe they want you to hire your equipment moved only so they have a job , yes they've never been in your position before they trying to get equipment home when and where you need it by trying to hire it done it just doesn't work out. If they would have stopped you all you would have had to tell him that you bought this trailer in Nevada and you're towing it home and will get the necessary paperwork when you get home which is California. I will never forget here in Oregon when they went to a commercial driver's license they had special Department of Motor Vehicle offices set up all over the state to do the written test or whatever you call it. And guys that had been driven for 1520 years we're failing the test and all they did was trying argue with the people at the DMV if they've been driving for 20 years and that's wrong and it's that the other thing. None of them figured out that what was in the book is what they wanted for an answer not necessarily what was right what was wrong they wanted their answer. I think truckers are hassled way too much and they believe you do too LOL thanks ldr
I asked my dad from Oregon about my personal California 5th wheel trailer project and re-registering because I am moving out of state and flat bedding it. He said well don’t worry about it, once I hit the border I won’t need registration where I am going 😂
Im in so cal and I work at a feed store and I can’t tell you how many people have dually pick up trucks. They all have them for personal use. Never seen dot #. And some are up there in Weight. But seem to do just fine. I think you are ok with the grocery getter.
Lots of people speed, but doesn't make it legal
Great video thanks for sharing have a great day and stay safe out there
I haven't studied this for awhile, but I believe there are two entities that we are capable of engaging others as: 1. We conduct commerce as a public citizen, with other public entities, and 2. We can contract as private entities with any other private entity, and that our right to contract without restriction is protected by constitution.
So, as far as I know, that means that you can even "earn" in some situations in whatever vehicle you choose. Or as you say, "personal use", because, for example, earning a wage to eat and survive is a right protected by the 9th amendment, etc.
Thanks for the video. You are 100% fine. Not being paid? Don't need DOT or MC number. You own the cargo? Same Your neighbors cargo? Same, not necessary unless you are being paid to haul your neighbors stuff. CDL class A might be needed though (I know you have yours) if your combined GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds (and at the same time hooked to a trailer with a GVWR that exceeds 10,000 pounds) or hazmat or hauling around 16 people. There are one or two states that are screwy and say if "you have a GVWR combined over 26,000 pounds OR hooked to a trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds"!! Here's the other 48 states/FMCSA definition: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater. That's straight from FMCSA website. No CDL needed when my 9,000 GVWR truck is pulling my 14,000 GVWR trailer because they don't exceed 26,000 pounds combined.
tractor time with tim has a good video that goes into all the details with a state trooper on commercial verse non commercial use and when you have to use weigh stations, etc.
In Ca all of our personal pick ups are registered commercial. the give away is the one letter on the plate in lieu of 3 for a personal non commercial truck or car(truck with a shell) can be registered non commercial
I agree with with you about the speed limit and I agree with with about your personal truck and trailer if I understand correctly there is non commercial CDL license to cover the combined weight of the truck and trailer i think california is the main state that some what enforce it
I roll in Atlantic Canada. Run an F800 with 2 trailers I own, all 3 registered in my name. Have a CDL, and paid the registration fees for the DMV's weight-rated haulers. Even paid a new additional fee to become an NSC operator. I haul my own items only. Not commercially plated either, as such is not required... but paying for weight is O.K. The mandatory-minimum of $2M insurance is hefty / annually. Every time I'm close to a weigh scale, I pull into the right lane. If my trailer is empty, the lights after the camera's say "Truck pass scale". If anything is loaded on my trailer... "Truck report to scale". No issues yet, but given the times of today, safely guess it won't be long until the needless hassle begins. In Canada, "NOT FOR HIRE" decals are like an automatic target. I also do not have decals that state :Fire extinguisher inside", nor "First Aid Kit on board". Respects to you. Love your videos. Tom.
haters gonna hate! just keep on doing what your doing. I don't see any issues with the personal use delima! full send
Your fine. Personal use=NO need to add all the money and BS to that truck and trailer. People are just gonna hate. Keep the videos coming!
My DOT buddy in Ohio told me to never put a "not for hire" on the truck he said those are the first he targets because so many people try and use that to hide behind. He also said around these parts if I was pulled over in my 5500 dump w 2 ton of stone and I am going to my house then I am personal, however if I say I am taking one ton to my house and one ton to my buddies that I could be subject to fines since it's not all for my personal use.
Worst part of any of this is you can get pulled over by 5 different officers and I'll get at least 4 different interpretation, and same when I called the federal DOT office .
I am all for safety, I know of an accident a friend was in where lives were lost, so now I try and go over kill on trucks and trailers, but man this has sure caused me a bunch of grief with DOT stuff, I've had a CDL for 25 years but always seems like I am missing something when pulled over, and I know of several guys hauling skid steer a on over loaded 10k trailers w pick up trucks because of all this, which works for them, until it doesn't......
My .02 is we force people to do dumb stuff because there is no middle ground, not everyone needs a CDL just to tow a skid steer, there should be something in the middle.
We always come back from Nevada on hwy 88, no stops.
Sam i allways enjoy watching the video stay safe buddy
John Hager thank you! You too!
There are lots, and lots, and lots of grey areas in the California Vehicle Code. You're 100% in the right. If you had the Primetech on that trailer, behind your other truck, that's a different story. But as loaded in this video.....You're all good. well done, sir.