New gun theft ordinance in Pima County angers gun owners

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  • Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
  • The ordinance will require gun owners to report missing or stolen guns within 48 hours or face a fine.

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  • @A-PatrioT
    @A-PatrioT 23 дня назад +11

    Arizona, don’t let your state become California.

  • @rogerstoney2203
    @rogerstoney2203 24 дня назад +25

    How does this protect the victims of gun theft?

    • @lynnmarble8456
      @lynnmarble8456 22 дня назад +1

      It protects the entirety of the public by curbing criminals from gaining access to guns. Securing guns keeps everyone safer.

    • @rogerstoney2203
      @rogerstoney2203 22 дня назад

      @lynnmarble8456 B.S. if the elected officials actually gave a crap about public safety, then they would be pushing for the arrest and incarceration of criminals. But since the criminals are not punished for their crimes, someone has to be punished, and that is the law-abiding citizen. The age-old problem no demonrat ever understand.

    • @jacka55six60
      @jacka55six60 22 дня назад +1

      @@lynnmarble8456 Reporting a stolen gun means the criminal ALREADY has it. If you have one for defense, you are defenseless you if you can't access it in time. If securing guns keeps everyone safer, the police wouldn't carry theirs on them.

    • @drakecarter1780
      @drakecarter1780 20 дней назад

      ​@jacka55six60 so you aren't going to report a stolen firearm? That's why you should also be held liable if that firearm is used to hurt someone.

    • @jacka55six60
      @jacka55six60 20 дней назад +1

      @@drakecarter1780 That's not what I said. Your reading comprehension is lacking.

  • @QuietAZdesert
    @QuietAZdesert 24 дня назад +41

    How does a $1000 fine, to the victim, help stop the crime?

    • @lynnmarble8456
      @lynnmarble8456 22 дня назад

      It protects the entirety of the general public by curbing criminals from gaining access to guns. Securing guns keeps everyone safer.

    • @QuietAZdesert
      @QuietAZdesert 22 дня назад +1

      @@lynnmarble8456
      They are not talking about "securing" guns. They are talking about Theft of guns. If a crook brakes into your home & steals your "secured" gun is (case/lock & all) - but you fail to report it within their proposed timeframe, then you become the criminal (though you were the victim of the theft). Criminalizing the victim is unlikely to stop there - once that train starts...

    • @lynnmarble8456
      @lynnmarble8456 22 дня назад

      ​@@QuietAZdeserta large percentage of guns stolen by criminals are stolen from vehicles. They're unsecured and left readily available in glove boxes and under seats. Additionally, in regards to unsecured guns being an issue, the vast majority of school shooters obtained the guns used from home or from the home of an extended family member or friend. They're not buying them off the street. They're taking guns that are left unsecured and readily accessible. If the gun owners knew where their guns were, knew they were secured, then those school shootings wouldn't have happened. Since their guns weren't secured and they didn't know where they were, innocent people died. Gun owners bear the responsibility of knowing where their guns are. If you can say that they're secure, you don't really need to worry much. If they're not secured, you'd especially damn well better know where they are and report it immediately if they go missing. Gun ownership is a great responsibility. The gun problem in the U.S. stems from too many people who don't respect the seriousness of that responsibility.

    • @QuietAZdesert
      @QuietAZdesert 21 день назад +1

      @@lynnmarble8456
      This wasn't about "securing" guns - and I am not arguing that gun shouldn't be secured. This article addresses the stealing of guns (even locked guns). When a thief steals from you - victimizes you. If you don't act & timely - you become the criminal (all because of someone else's crime). If a gun is locked is a car - the criminal is the thief, not the gun owner.

    • @lynnmarble8456
      @lynnmarble8456 21 день назад

      @@QuietAZdesert know where your guns are, especially if they're unsecured. You are endangering the public if you don't. Guns are incredibly dangerous, but the 2A and the loosening of gun laws since the SCOTUS decision in Heller in 2008 has led to people having little to no regard for how dangerous they are. If you can't take gun ownership seriously, then you shouldn't own a gun.

  • @timthompson2578
    @timthompson2578 24 дня назад +29

    Its a money grab. This wont help anyone.

    • @DarthVader1977
      @DarthVader1977 22 дня назад

      What is wrong with you?
      I'm against this law, but this is hardly a "money grab".

    • @randybernhard8437
      @randybernhard8437 20 дней назад

      @@DarthVader1977 That just shows how ignorant you are. Did you even watch the video, read the description, or do a basic google search on the law? It literally says you will be fined if you don't magically know your gun has been stolen within 48 hours. Have hundreds of guns and someone at your house party happens to steal a compact gun you keep in a drawer, and you don't figure it out within 48 hours? FINE. You are out on vacation and someone breaks into your house and drags out the safe? FINE. It's clearly a cash grab, literally by definition. What's wrong with YOU?

  • @justlucky13
    @justlucky13 24 дня назад +10

    Straw buyer idea is laughable pathetic shameful law against the victim

  • @deadlyta
    @deadlyta 23 дня назад +8

    So dont register your guns
    And dont report them at all
    Got it

  • @repentandknowjesus8674
    @repentandknowjesus8674 24 дня назад +13

    Ordinances are NEVER LAWS!

    • @randybernhard8437
      @randybernhard8437 20 дней назад

      Especially since Nevada has preemption laws, as well as preemption laws specifically prohibiting local gun laws from being more restrictive than state law. (Not to mention constitutional preemption and the second amendment)

  • @moosenukem8391
    @moosenukem8391 24 дня назад +18

    Trust me, I'm from the government. This law will never be used against you. What, do you have something to hide?

    • @adrianwilson7193
      @adrianwilson7193 23 дня назад

      It's the government who hide or keep things hidden.

  • @stanleymiller9977
    @stanleymiller9977 24 дня назад +14

    This dont make sense,,,what if it really is lost or stolen and you dont find out until a later time,,,I dont do inventory on my guns ever day ??? Why dont they go after real criminals instead of the law abiding people...

    • @danayen4806
      @danayen4806 24 дня назад +3

      It easier to fine the law abiding then a criminal who's hiding everything he is doing and may be broke because he spent the money on drugs if they arrest him it take money to take care of him, fining you they get an easy $1000.

  • @SandCrabNews
    @SandCrabNews 24 дня назад +7

    Not funny how a law maker assumes how enforcement of the law will go through the courts.

  • @jameskittrell6486
    @jameskittrell6486 24 дня назад +12

    Let's say you go away for a weekend, get back late Sun, go to bed, discover Mon night you've been burglarized. Meantime the police have proven that the burglary was committed Friday night. You are now over 60 hours since the crime was committed.
    What if you don't discover the gun stolen until the police recover it? I don't inventory my guns every time I come home.
    1) You're a victim of a crime.
    2) You're a victim of court, because you can't get the gun back.*
    3) You're a victim of local govt because you disobeyed their law.
    *Most property is returned when the court is finished with it. Guns are destroyed because they committed a crime.

    • @lynnmarble8456
      @lynnmarble8456 21 день назад

      Know where your guns are. If you go away for a weekend, secure your guns so they're not a temptation to a burglar. Guns are incredibly dangerous and way too many gun owners have lost sight of that. Gun ownership is a huge responsibility. If you can't be responsible, you shouldn't own.

  • @Malfatta
    @Malfatta 24 дня назад +10

    *❝The gun-control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts-or even the lives of other people.❞*
    _〜 Dr. Thomas Sowell_

  • @user-zs1fr7im6l
    @user-zs1fr7im6l 24 дня назад +9

    ARIZONA State Preemption LAW
    Except as provided in subsection G of this section, a political subdivision of this state shall not enact any ordinance, rule or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer, purchase, acquisition, gift, devise, storage, licensing, registration, discharge or use of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components or related accessories in this state.
    . A political subdivision of this state shall not require the licensing or registration of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components or related accessories or prohibit the ownership, purchase, sale or transfer of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components, or related accessories.

  • @LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD
    @LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD 24 дня назад +4

    *We don't even have this nonsense here in California... ignore it and sue them. Period*

  • @willcall9431
    @willcall9431 24 дня назад +15

    It could be interpreted as 48 hours after the discovery of the theft can it not? So you go on vacation for several weeks someone breaks into your house a day after you leave unbolts and steals your gun safe and you can go to jail because you discover the theft 3 weeks weren't it happened ? Which is well beyond 48 hours.

    • @Robert-ty3qi
      @Robert-ty3qi 24 дня назад +2

      Good point

    • @mb9662
      @mb9662 24 дня назад

      It will be worded to allow people to be charged even if they report it … it’s meant to discourage gun ownership

    • @S1D3W1ND3R015
      @S1D3W1ND3R015 21 день назад

      It doesn't prevent crime. The crime of the gun being stolen has already taken place. This just penalizes you, the victim of the crime of a crime. It's insane.

    • @willcall9431
      @willcall9431 19 дней назад

      That all well and good but doesn’t answer the question. Is it 48 after discovery or when the actual crime was committed. Because gun grabbing leftist prosecutors will interpret this as they choose.

  • @AMXSShirt
    @AMXSShirt 23 дня назад +2

    I lived in AZ when it was free. Tucson is a poop show now.

  • @donpierce7405
    @donpierce7405 23 дня назад +1

    What other crime is there where the victim of a crime is blamed ? Do we blame a bank for being robbed ? Do we blame a rape victim for being raped?

  • @GrouchoTM
    @GrouchoTM 24 дня назад +7

    Nothing to fear if your law-abiding gun owner! Kind of sounds hypocritical to me if your gonna find people who are law-abiding!

  • @PhokenKuul
    @PhokenKuul 24 дня назад +2

    It's about trying to put a stop to the drug cartels from having Americans buy them guns then reporting them stolen. This is a rampant issue in southern Arizona.

    • @ij2750
      @ij2750 23 дня назад +1

      I don't see how reporting something sooner than later helps anything if I sell someone a gun and then report it stolen, I'm certainly not give police info that can help them locate who I sold the gun to. The only way to impact the drug cartels is keep them in jail for a long time when you find them.

    • @Silent_Ears
      @Silent_Ears 22 дня назад

      Cartels will always get their guns no matter what. Money talks.

    • @PhokenKuul
      @PhokenKuul 22 дня назад

      @@ij2750 Take it slow. You'll get there. See, people buying guns for cartels often report them stolen. That way they can claim some insurance money and if it looks like they are amassing an arsenal they can just say they were replacing what was stolen. But if there is a monetary necessity to report within a time frame they will be forced to come forward or face a fine. It becomes pretty obvious, pretty quickly when someone is reporting 5 missing AR15s every other month that they are reselling them. It's about stopping the ones selling to the cartels not the cartels themselves, but that too if it is feasible. They already put the cartel in jail when they catch them. Problem is that the cartel likes to pay/ coerce some poor schlub to do their bidding instead of doing it themselves. So the ones we catch are often just these poor schlubs. And there are a lot of poor schlubs out there.

    • @PhokenKuul
      @PhokenKuul 22 дня назад

      @@Silent_Ears It's this kind of defeatist attitude that would've allowed Nazi Germany to control the whole world. Just give up cause there's nothing to be done about.

    • @S1D3W1ND3R015
      @S1D3W1ND3R015 21 день назад

      Buying guns for someone else is already a federal felony. It's already on the books.

  • @Terry-bw7qk
    @Terry-bw7qk 24 дня назад +7

    Yeah, I'd rather not report a stolen firearm as soon as I knew and then find out it was used in a crime with my fingerprints all over it. Sure, that makes sense...

  • @paul7754
    @paul7754 23 дня назад

    Funny how local authorities think the US or State Constitution and current law doesn't apply to them! Absolutely hilarious! Now they get to go to court and hear that from a judge - since they can't read! 🙈🙉🙊

  • @RedHuntsman
    @RedHuntsman 23 дня назад

    You have nothing to worry about because of "prosecutorial discretion" . . . sure . . .

  • @brianklamer3328
    @brianklamer3328 23 дня назад

    What if you are on vacation for an extended period of time when your gun is stolen? And then used in a crime when you are still away from home? Another useless gun law.

  • @chadmcginney1600
    @chadmcginney1600 23 дня назад

    😂😂😂😂 The politicians answer to everything: pass a new law that won’t be enforced, raise taxes and if you can’t prosecute crooks, go after the victim!!! Fake it til you can make it!!!

  • @Yelo_54
    @Yelo_54 20 дней назад

    All y’all Arizonans with you’re ocean front property better be real careful not to loose an entire arsenal conveniently right before this infringement goes into place.. it’d be a shame if you hand no more firearms to be legally required lost or stolen if this does end up passing.. salute from you’re neighbors in the lone star state🫡

  • @daisho47
    @daisho47 23 дня назад

    He says it is to help gun owners, and that the gov won't use it against you.....wait for it.

  • @richardkev3077
    @richardkev3077 23 дня назад

    It’s all about control. While they say it’s not about going after legal gun owners, it will be used against them.

  • @oaka7616
    @oaka7616 23 дня назад

    As the economy worsens governments will do anything possible to create more revenue.

  • @tucsonjack3991
    @tucsonjack3991 24 дня назад

    Do what now ?

  • @patriot9455
    @patriot9455 23 дня назад

    Besides the fact it is a money grab, the presumption is that "safety" is more important than freedom under law. Virtually every tyrant or dictator used some definition of "safety" as a cover for gun laws that do not protect owners of firearms or other "dangerous" tools of self protection. This law lets the camel put his foot under the wall of the tent. Does anyone remember the rest of the story?

  • @yoellopez82
    @yoellopez82 9 дней назад

    Regressive. Slippery slope for infringing on 2A.

  • @FarmerRiddick
    @FarmerRiddick 24 дня назад

    I can go a month or more without looking at my weapons. This law is just stupid.
    It would be better to somehow reward someone who reports a legitimate theft.
    Hey! There's an idea!
    Put the onus on government to cash reward people for reporting! I'd bet there would be better cooperation from law abiding citizens.

  • @adrianwilson7193
    @adrianwilson7193 23 дня назад

    " 1791 "

  • @prepstersurvive8240
    @prepstersurvive8240 22 дня назад

    I would report my guns being stolen right away. My insurance pays me I get more. I don’t see anything wrong with this is only a fine if you don’t report it. If you are a law abiding citizen then you would want to report a stolen gun.

    • @kenofken9458
      @kenofken9458 22 дня назад

      Anyone who has a problem with this is shady AF.
      The only reason anyone would not report a gun theft is if they sold it illegally

  • @jrortega5062
    @jrortega5062 25 дней назад +6

    Protect our rights and lives if Arizona is victimizing our relationship with governments

    • @jamesellis2784
      @jamesellis2784 24 дня назад

      Utah. Favoritism’s . And maybe AZ. Government . Solutions for AZ residents . Mormon favoritism . Development fraud .

    • @drakecarter1780
      @drakecarter1780 24 дня назад

      Arizona voted for the Dems.

  • @Thr3atlvlmidnight
    @Thr3atlvlmidnight 23 дня назад

    Sounds good to me. If it's really lost or stolen it should be reported. Y'all are so scared the govments guna stert terkin yer gunz😂

  • @bsworld2
    @bsworld2 25 дней назад +15

    I'm sorry.....why wouldn't you WANT to report a stolen weapon ?! Unless, you're hiding a crime 🤔🧐

    • @Mitch_Conner75926
      @Mitch_Conner75926 24 дня назад +10

      Cause reporting them stolen doesn’t actually do anything or help anyone. The gun is still gone and if it’s used in a crime and retrieved by the police you’re still not going to get it back. So why fine people for not hassling themselves with paperwork that doesn’t serve any purpose other than to give them documentation for their illegally kept gun registration?

    • @veganconservative1109
      @veganconservative1109 24 дня назад +12

      Adding to the below... what if you aren't aware the gun was missing until even just seconds after it is "48 hours" past? Now you owe a hefty fine as well as the loss of your property.
      In addition: remember when the Feds made their national Home Security a thing and any protests against that were met with "But if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? Look where that attitude about the state of our rights got us.

    • @danmarcell3167
      @danmarcell3167 24 дня назад +4

      Why would you let those out of prison who will commit these kind of crimes

    • @WazowskiPHX
      @WazowskiPHX 24 дня назад +4

      It's not the government's business to tell us what we need to report when it comes to OUR PROPERTY, especially when it deals with constitutional rights.

    • @StopWars420
      @StopWars420 24 дня назад +2

      Some people have a lot of guns and might not notice one missing for a while

  • @mikejohnson-dl7vt
    @mikejohnson-dl7vt 24 дня назад +4

    Booo!💪🤬👎