Hand Pump Vs. Co2 - Which One Should You Ride With
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I've read that Co2 is not recommended for use with latex. I use Vittoria latex tubes and they state that. I have also been left walking because Co2 has let me down several times. So now I have a Silca frame pump. Yeah is weighs about a half a pound and it is long, that's what she said, but it gets me up to 100psi quickly and never leaves me stranded and I can help others if I run into someone needing help. Every time I was left walking I saw many cyclists ride right by me probably because they were unable to help because they only had enough C02 for themselves. I carry one spare tube for me but I also carry patches that I could use to help another cyclist. We need to quit being such weight wennies that we can't help out other people in need.
CO2 is perfectly fine, as it is rather inert
the only problem with it really is that it leaks past rubber quite a bit faster than say nitrogen (which is 78% of the air approximately), which means the tires will deflate faster, so it's only useful for emergency situations
my guess is that the tubes say not to use CO2 for that reason
also bringing double the amount of co2 cartridges in case one half of them are faulty (or for other cyclists) doesn't really seem like a problem to me, since they are so light and small
thanks for the input, appreciate it man
lol.. true.. but just use a small hip pack.. its so easy and convenient not to get one..i keep tons of stuff in mine.. from chain, chain tool, chain breaker, co2, pathces, iphone etc etc.. and it doesnt bother me while riding once ur use to it.. its the way to go if u wanna be prepared for yourself and others.. to me there is a diff between having the extra weight on bike compared to having it on me.. idk maybe its just me but its def less noticeable if the extra weight is just attached to me somewhere as opposed to hangin on the bike or inside the stem/crank wholes
No matter how short the trip, I always carry 2 Co2's and a Topeak mini morph. 99% of the time I'll break out the mini morph but it all depends where I am and how fast I need to be back on the road. If im in a particular rough area. I'd want to be back on the road as fast as possible.
But then again my saddlebag is packed for redundancy so I almost have two of everything within reason... 2x chain links - one 10sp and one 11sp , 2x inner tubes, 2x tyre levers, 2x Co2 cartridges, 1x multi-tool. It ends up weighing in at almost 1kg which I totally agree is dumb but I have had two punctures within 45mins of each other and I had to call for a ride home. Im basically the A-10 Warthog of bike riders... Not particularly fast or efficient but I'll take a hit and still be able to carry out the mission and make it home.... Unless both innertubes got shredded.
I should really drop an inner tube and a Co2 canister to save some weight as I have vastly better tyres than the night I got two punctures on the same trip.
::EDIT::
The mini morph is also great in the respect that it turns into a mini track pump, so its slightly less of a pain to use compared to most mini pumps.
Great cycling topic and comparison. Thank you.
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Lol to givin’ it to the tire with the hand motion!!! 😂😂😂
Good review of both options. I use the mini pump. Hadn’t thought about CO2 inflators until now so may need to try playing with that. I have a Elite Super Byasi Storage Bottle on the bike. In it I have the mini pump, multi tool including chain breaker, tyre levers, puncture repair kit,inner tube, spare chain links, replacement mech hanger and a Topeak chain hook and wear indicator. No saddle bag needed. It fits a lot of hopefully unnecessary to use goodies.
Thanks!!
TBH, I carry both. I have the Topeak Ninja fitted inside my seat tube. It's neatly out of the way. I've not used it yet as co2 is more convenient, easier and has been enough on the few flats I've had. It's there for backup which is reassuring on 10 hour + rides.
Nice, thanks for sharing!
I‘ve got a very small pump in my saddle bag. I changed from co2 to a pump because I run tubeless and I don’t want to get the sealent to harden if I’ve lost some pressure. Also mostly with tubeless I just loose some psi when I hit something on the road and it would not be necessary to use a whole co2. It’s enough to pump a bit and then ride back home. Today pumps and tubes are so small and they don‘t really need space, everything fits perfectly into the smallest saddle bag you can find.
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I carry both, CO2 and valve in a small saddle bag with other tools and pump in my jersey pocket. Specialized do a really small pump with an inner tube holder so I've put a Tubolito tube on it for emergency purposes (tubeless failure), the whole assembly fits in a pocket inside a Velopac pouch with room to spare and the whole assembly is probably just as compact as one butyl rubber inner tube.
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Good review, I carry both just out of habit as I like to be able to assist anyone stuck with a flat and has no pump or a CO2 failure which I’ve had to do wayyy to many times, but I can’t just ride by someone in distress
thanks man
totally the same.. im actually excited when i get to use my stuff to help others.. lol idk its just fun fixing stuff for me
Very good review. I've been cycling for years and still haven't totally decided which is really best. For local rides I usually just carry 2 CO2s then for longer rides further afield or where I will be out of cell phone range I'll take a mini pump just in case. It also depends whether I'm riding alone or with friends. If with friends we can each just take enough for 1 to 2 flats then if there's more we can help each other out.
thanks for sharing!!
Great video; I have the same micro-pump and was also wondering how that compares with CO2. Personally, the pump reduces my anxiety about running out of CO2, as I have had more than one incident where, in the course of repairing a flat, something else gets bungled-up and requires me to re-inflate.
Also, a side note... I presume your use of the floor pump pressure gauge was for comparative purposes only, as the pressure shown on that gauge will be much lower than the actual pressure the tyre had prior to connecting it with the pump. This is due to the tyre air having to pressurize the volume of air in the pump (including its hose), increasing pump volume's pressure while reducing the tyre volume's pressure, until they reach equilibrium. (One could measure that pressure drop by pumping up a tyre to a certain pressure, disconnecting the pump, then reattaching it and seeing what pressure the pump goes back up to.)
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I carry both and tubeless sealant. For mtb especially, if you lose a bead you can reset it with c02.
Co2 without a doubt on the road. Each cartridge fully emptied gives a fully pumped tire, with 2 cartridges more than enough if you run good tires, which means you rarely puncture. When you get home empty the air from the tire and use your home pump
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exactly.. everyone thats worried about the no co2 with latex thing just do this.. its what i do... just use a lil common sense it goes a long way people... unfortunately not everyone is like us LOL
Good demo Jon. I use a pump that does both. screw on the co2 and fill then top it off with the pump. or just use the pump.
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BEWARE. When using the Lezyne pump. I have had the valve stem come out when unscrewing it from the inner tube. No fun when you are miles away from anywhere.
You’ve never had the experience of unscrewing the connection to the valve and having it remove the valve core and having to start all over?
You'd probably not be surprised by how the significantly this test would differ when you're dealing with a 26" fat tire bike, which you probably wouldn't be caught dead on. We're talking much less pressure, more like 20 psi. But the volume difference really changes the situation. Storage isn't an issue on my fat tire bike and I carry CO2 and a mini foot pump. I've used a mini hand pump. But with that much volume, just to get it to good'nuff takes an almost insurmountable amount of pumping. For my 29" MTB, I just use a mini hand pump. It's work, but not insurmountable.
I'm new to biking and going down the gravel road. It seems like most pressures are around 60-70 for gravel tires so a pump should be just fine for me. Thanks.
ALERT: IF you use Silca Ultimate Sealant with Carbon fibers AND need to use a CO2 Cartridge due to air loss, the C02 causes a chemical reaction and will solidify all of your sealant in your tire...........Just experienced this.
thanks for sharing and flagging!
I have a minipump attatched to the bottle cage on my gravel bike, co2 and a spare tube on my MTB running tubeless, but my road bike pump is the Topeak Hybrid Rocket RX. This is co2 AND a minipump. The best of both worlds !!
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I got my pump attached to my bottle cage... never notice it, but came in handy for a mate who has been style-shaming me for my "not-aero" pump...
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My younger days of parties with Nitrus Oxide at parties from cartridges for coffee creamers and seeing the empties pile up, ha put me off ever ever wastefully using a cartridge again. If I was racing however, that's different. But I'm a mountain biker, and the number of times I've had multiple punctures (or failed repairs, means the weight and space of carrying spares, means the pump wins over. One ride I rode over something that put multiple holes in the tube, and had to take it off several times. I carry a spare, but it took a couple of fixes to realize it was time to give up on the tube. I'm tubleless now, but still carry a spare tube just in case.
great vid.. def a sub from me.. just wanted to say the pump is prolly best as long as its just to fill tire.. co2 only way to go for seating tires.. at least in MTB it is... i think if u just use a hip pack u can carry any one of them ..or put pump on bike and throw some co2 in pocket..
Carry both
Co2 only if your racing other than that stick with the pump. If using tubes co2 leaks through the rube and if tubeless there are other issues that need to be avoided and they are only a one shot deal.
"Long story short, there was this dude on the side of the road just giving it to his tire...."
Lol
I have a dependable hand pump zip tied to my frame and a CO2 in my pocket to cover all bases. I mean are people weighed down by 10 oz. ? If that's heavy maybe you should try lifting some weights and eating meat occasionally.
U gave it good.
Both. All hand pumps kind of stink but you need one to initially inflate a tube, find a leak if patching, or as a backup for your C02. I carry one Co2 cartridge for road, and its very satisfying vs inflating a tire to with a mini pump. For tubeless off road, I would bring an extra C02 cartridge, and probably still bring a hand pump so you don't get stuck hiking your bike back to the trail head.
I also carry both. First hand pump to go up to ~4bar and then the rest with the co2.
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Both. Reach for the CO2 when I'm rolling with other people. Pump when I'm by myself.
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IMO I reasoned like this.
1) CO2 = 60psi. Thats FLAT in my book, so I haven't fixed the flat tyre at all, it is still going to be a partial repair and I will need more air. I ride at 90-100psi in my tyres depending on what am doing, so 60psi is a fail. I use the pump because I know I can get 90psi back into the tyre and continue on my ride.
2) how many CO2 does it take to inflate a tyre? sometimes 1 other times I have seen people waste 3, through faffing around and making errors while rushing for those 'seconds' they want to save.
3) I will always get 90spi with the pump, and time is not an issue. If I am racing then the flat ruins the race, its all over. If I am riding with friends, they are happy to wait and chat or give me shit about my technique or life decisions as I make the tube change. you know how it goes.
4) less waste. How many CO2 cylinders are dumped on the road side? single use items like this are bad for us in the long term.
thank you for the thoughtful insight!! appreciate it
the Nano, it is supposed to work with a schrader as well without an adapter. But I don’t see how as there is no pin to depress the value. I had both the nano and a CO2 hybrid hand pump when I got a flat and did not want to waste the 20g cartridge with the nano. How does this fill a schrader tube?
I used to carry a handpump, but my short or group rides I tend to carry a CO2.
Especially in the heat it takes forever to pump up your tyre with a handpump.
If I’m going on a long ride (or bike trip) I still tend to take my handpump
Nice! thanks for sharing
Co2 for me. Smaller also to carry.
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LOL
I carry an electric pump, unlimited air and don’t need to jack off the bike. Runs off the accessory battery that always stays topped up charging from the drive battery.
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both
Co2 is wasteful.
I've never got the CO2 to work. Everytime, just seems to start foaming from the nozzle head - tried on 2 occasions, with no luck. Any thoughts on this are welcome.
Carry a Lezyne pocket drive. Goes in my saddlebag, so no need to carry in the jersey pocket. Used a couple of times...yes, it's a bit harder than what CO2 promises to be, but dependable and got me home.
Sounds like the valve or something else, I would take it to your bike shop and they can show you
I'm new to mtb but just bought the co2 muc off one but also buying one of these just to keep attached to the bike I read co2 dissipates fast and needs to be replaced with a pump when you get home anyway not sure how true this is but if its a nitrogen one then I can see that but there now banned here in UK to many been dying snegging it of late!
The co2 I find doesn’t hold pressure for long, if I use them once home I empty all of the air and redo
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Both
Uhmmmmm just gone tubeless on my lapierre with maxis was recommended co2 but think I need a pump ???
I bought a nice little pump that does S and P and after second time using it S stopped working. A guy with a Co2 saved my a$$. I'm getting both
I carry a Fumpa mini pump….best thing ever. Just have to make sure it is charged up.
Careful not to cross thread that pump. Aluminum thread mated to plastic thread. I had to replace mine.
thanks for the heads up!
Your forearm veins are bussin’!
60psi? Nice, so it's safe for hookless wheels then? I just got a set of Zipp 404 and was worried if I made the right choice. Fyi they were 20% off on sale at the time 🤭
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pressure, its pressure, pressure is the word you need to add to your vocabulary
I carry 25gram cartridge. Good for 2 tires
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I carry Co2..and was told after fixing a puncture, after using the cylinder ;when you get home , deflate the tyre and re-inflate with normal floor pump. Is this correct ?
Yes that is good practice.
Yepp
yes the CO2 is going to deflate overnight because its less dense than air . It's a very good idea to refill with air instead.
I have never heard of deflating the tire, but yes, when you get home hit it from a floor pump
Personally, I carry the portable hand pump just because its more cost effective.
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@@jonmaloneycycling7593 what do you think about the new shimano 105 Di2 coming out as soon as they demanded hammer head remove the Di2 compatibility?
The number of times I see folks screw up the gas and then sad face when the tire is flat and they are out of gas. And even more sad face when the shitty mini pump they borrowed doesn't work either.
Then the bunch passes around pumps and they all discover their pumps don't work. So the correct answer is Pirelli Cinturato for the road bike to keep the air in for a start, and Silca Tattico when you find a forlorn cyclist out of gas or with a terrible pump at the side of the road. A Gravelero works just as well if you are out in the dirt. I have gas too, just never had a need to use it.
You're welcome. 👌👍
what model of cinturato and tattico is overweighted
neither . i carry a cycplus mini air compressor .
You can easily get 100psi with a hand pump wearing gloves. I’ve done 5 flats in a ride before on a Labor Day weekend century due to glass. You won’t love it, but you’ll get home.
Is that a 12 gram or 16 gram Co2? I use 16 grams I think they add about 30 PSIG more. I also carry 2 cartridge of Co2.
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@@jonmaloneycycling7593 He ask You a question dude
If you ride tubeless - CO2 is no option (at least not with 99 percent of the sealants) as it freezes the sealant. If you don't ride tubeless - well, you don't know what your missing.
You must set up valve at top and give some pressure carefully/slow then sealant will be fine
both, a co2 inside a pump
What pump are you using on the video.
I am not sure of the model I have had it for 7 years
it's Microflate Nano from Genuine Innovations. I like this system as it cannot remove the valve core.
Framepump
Simple I ride with both 🥴
You need a pump.
Watching that tire go right back down after pumping it up with your CO2 sucks.
Did not mention that the CO2 is only to get you home or finish your ride. You must refill your tire with air as CO 2 will leak out by the next day
pumps reliability? 😂
I had pumps fail on me.
CO2 all the way.
thanks for sharing