I’ve never run across a Co2 head that didn’t allow for controlled flow. On the simplest ones you screw the canister on completely and slowly unscrew it to release the Co2. The nice thing about the simple ones is they don’t freeze in the release position!
have a mini pump as a last resort, makes no fun to inflate a tire with, but i have 6 co2 cartridges with me and a little valve thing with a lever. but most important, double down or even better dh casing tires, run them tubeless. if you ride super aggressive, use cushcore. since i am using dh rear and dd tires front ive never experienced any serious puncture.
Another great vid Chris and like you, I carry both. Pump most days, but on a filthy wet, windy and cold days, a quick blast from Co2 wins hands down! Mind you, I run tubeless, so I'd only really use the Co2 if I split a tire and had to run with an inner tube, otherwise there is always the danger of the Co2 reacting with the tyre sealant causing it to harden and beed. 🙂
I have and use both. Depends on the ride which one I use. 90% of the time the pump gets the job. BTW, I put the metal canisters in with the recycling 👍
mini pumps break ALL THE TIME C02 saved my ass on a 500 mile tour I bought two hand pumps along the way and they kept on breaking, real bike pumps bought at a bike shop then I picked up a C02 and that was it, converted for life : )
Co2 carts every time. On long adventure rides, maybe multi day trips etc. I carry both. The pump in my bags as a fail safe back up and the co2 accessible to get the job done, effortlessly and quickly.
I use the shock pump. I can't get those mini pumps to connect to the valve on the tube properly it's alway hit-and-miss. The shock pump takes a little while but it's guaranteed to work every tim, has a pressure gauge built in, and it's only for emergency situations. But won't work on a fat bike tire. But those things almost never get flats.
Lenzyme mini pumps are the best, pump up to 90 psi and have flexible hose which screws on to the valve. Clips on to a holder on to the bottle cage mounts.
@@xLeonardoxFerraro Regrettably, being several years old, the brand name has now rubbed off mine. However, I did a quick Google search for "mini pump with CO2 inflator" which brought up many similar devices including some by well known and reputable makers....
Rockbros flexible tube mini pump is pretty good. Had a carbon ultra light one, expensive garbage, trashed after 3 uses. Also, don't cross thread, or you can get a new one.
HELP PLEASE! Two months after my wife gifted me a beautiful Ghost Kato 3 CX adventure bike in lime green, for my birthday,(14years after a bad klimbing accident) I was told I'm disabled in shoulders, back and knees. (Shoulders are no longer in their sockets, knees are operated on and half of my kneecaps and cartalidge was removed. And spinal cord misfires and shorts out my legs and arms. This means I can ride my bike but no longer on trails and such. One more fall and that would be it. Now my muscles are getting weaker and knees are getting crunchyer. No I won't sell the bike and I will ride untill I'm wheelchair bound. I would like to upgrade to electric with an add-on kit of some sort. Just as a backup to extend my range or for my legs give in during riding. What affordable (lost my business, so no benefits) solutions could you suggest? Range and torque is more important to me than speed. I really hope someone is able to help. Greetings from the Netherlands. David Bakker-Wester. P.s computer conked out, hence this long story here.
Unattached is going to be better for longevity. It's safer too, you don't want this thing to go off accidentally in your bag. It can get dangerously cold.
We run tubeless and carry the Co2 with a few extra cartridges. So far have not needed it and believe me right after we went tubeless I TRIED to get a puncture and failed.
@Strong man Exactly! I carry both, the pump being a last resort in case I screw up using the CO2. Or to top off the pressure because I find that 1 16g canister is not enough in a 29 x 2.6
Why would you need to dump CO2 from your tire? If it is some reaction with sealant, would be nice to see some tests/reports on such..?CO2 is in normal temperatures/pressures in gas form and should behave similar way as oxygen and nitrogen that normal air mostly is, hence don't see why it would not work for longer periods...
everytime I have needed a mini pump...mine or someone I stop to borrow one....they don't work!! Rubber seals maybe not used for weeks...don't work when you finally come to use it. I rarely get a puncture cos I run tubeless but if I do I use a co2 cannister plus adapter that enables you to control the flow. So they are useful to just add a few psi if required....i.e. not single use at all unless you use all its contents in one shot. I carry the adapter and 4 cannisters all as part of a mini took kit in a tiny under saddle bag.
I feel like you should have led with the whole "CO2 is for emergency use only and you need to replace with air" in the cons and also in general. Like I get the concept of pumping air into a tire but I searched this to figure out why you'd use CO2 in a bike tire only to find that you apparently shouldn't??
This video is missing the most important information, what average amount of time will it take to fill a certain tire size and how many cartridges will it take to fill the same tire and the time required.
Mini pumps dont run out a good one will last forever with proper maintenance. And if u travel c02 is out of the question. Although both are good like said co2 is good to seat tubless.
For MTB, you can buy 25gm or bigger cartridges - as for the environmental aspect, it is CO2 that is heating the planet... so it is actually a good thing to store it in your tyre... There is now a tubeless sealant that is compatible with CO2... a few cartridges are not that heavy, less than a snack bar or a spare tube...
There is something missing: Is one cannister enough to completely fill up a plus size mtb tire (29 x 2.8 inch) or do you need more? A live test would have been helpful...
1 would be enough yes. a 29x2.5 'regular' sort of MTB tyre can be seated and inflated way higher than you would usually run on the trail from a single cartridge. So a tyre with marginally higher volume should still. be on the firm side provided there's not much CO2 escaping before the bead pops on
Oh and: handpump. Might take longer but not limited by amount of cartridges. No under or over filling, not temperature sensitive. Lighter. Some valves tire start leaking because the co2 froze and damaged seals etc. Can also use for airshocks adjustment( depending on comparability). Co2 might need some practice to master and any mistake with co2 means loss off charge, hand pump is more forgiving in that sense. Plus lot higher psi's can be achieved. One handpump might save/ help allot more riders on a trip than a few cartidges.
Crankbros gem mini for the win. It’s switchable from high volume low pressure to high pressure low volume. It’s also a good workout. Pumps also don’t run out.
Why say (earlier in the video) it'll take days later hours to pump up with mini pump? People who don't know may be confused by this. More like five mins?
CO² used to be popular for making seltzer water. People don't do that anymore. Bicyclists would be better off with nitrogen. Why can't we get camnisters with nitrogen? I believe the demand would be instant.
My pump head works as an inflator if I’m in a hurry I’ll throw a co2 at it, if it’s someone on a trail that doesn’t carry anything to fix their own stuff they can pump it up the old fashioned way.
100% agree, in fact it works better than ones 10x the price. I've tried so many mini-pumps and they are universally junk. The Decathlon one is amazing value and works better than the expensive ones!
There is no way to get 45 -50 psi into my hybrid bike tyre with a portable hand pump. Max I have managed is 25.5 psi this includes around 6psi I am losing when disconnecting the screw-on adapter, so I get 31.5psi in and lose around 6psi taking the adapter off. I carry 10 kgs of camping kit on my rear rack as well, so 25.5 psi is just not good enough. I would not ever use co2. I need to get a mini floor pump to go long-distance cycling over days on end of camping excursions. I don't know of a better solution. My tyres should be run between 45 - 50 psi, after a few days, the the tyres naturally lose around 2 - 6 psi. A hand pump is useless for topping up. So, in summary, even portable hand pumps are jus for emergencies and are not efficient enough to get our tyre to the correct pressure. Buying the hand pump was a waste of money for me.
With everything going off in the world you are yet to mention anything about the virus. It would be a great opportunity to talk about the benefits of using your bike during this worrying time period. Keep up the great work!
Which do you carry on a ride? Let us know below 👇
Might morph mini for me if you go out in a group it's much better having say 2 pumps rather than every one carrying canisters
Combo all in one "pump + co2"
You make very good valid points to the pros & cons! Thank you!!!!
Good job. Watched it all to the end. Subscribed.
Mini pump for me. Had the same one for about 10 years so well worth the money.
I’ve never run across a Co2 head that didn’t allow for controlled flow. On the simplest ones you screw the canister on completely and slowly unscrew it to release the Co2. The nice thing about the simple ones is they don’t freeze in the release position!
C02 can react with certain tubeless tire sealants, basically "hardening" them, thereby reducing their efficacy
Pump and a prayer for me, thank you very much.
I carry both.
Always carry both!
The electric mini pump I use for my motorcycle is doing a great job on my mtb as it's very powerful and you can inflate the tire to the value you like
have a mini pump as a last resort, makes no fun to inflate a tire with, but i have 6 co2 cartridges with me and a little valve thing with a lever.
but most important, double down or even better dh casing tires, run them tubeless. if you ride super aggressive, use cushcore.
since i am using dh rear and dd tires front ive never experienced any serious puncture.
quick fix... Carry both 🙌🏽
I carry both!👏👏👏👍😀
Another great vid Chris and like you, I carry both. Pump most days, but on a filthy wet, windy and cold days, a quick blast from Co2 wins hands down! Mind you, I run tubeless, so I'd only really use the Co2 if I split a tire and had to run with an inner tube, otherwise there is always the danger of the Co2 reacting with the tyre sealant causing it to harden and beed. 🙂
I carry both. Will use canister but want the backup of the pump
I have and use both. Depends on the ride which one I use. 90% of the time the pump gets the job.
BTW, I put the metal canisters in with the recycling 👍
Name
mini pumps break ALL THE TIME
C02 saved my ass on a 500 mile tour
I bought two hand pumps along the way and they kept on breaking, real bike pumps bought at a bike shop
then I picked up a C02 and that was it, converted for life : )
Co2 carts every time. On long adventure rides, maybe multi day trips etc. I carry both. The pump in my bags as a fail safe back up and the co2 accessible to get the job done, effortlessly and quickly.
Pocket rocket for the win, have it for about 5 years, super light, can make to 8bar max what’s a lot for a mini pump. Can’t complain would buy again
I use the shock pump. I can't get those mini pumps to connect to the valve on the tube properly it's alway hit-and-miss. The shock pump takes a little while but it's guaranteed to work every tim, has a pressure gauge built in, and it's only for emergency situations. But won't work on a fat bike tire. But those things almost never get flats.
On epics I take a mini track pump, my hip pack has 3 co2 and a regulator for rides sub 3hrs where I can walk back to the car in less than 1 hour.
why not carry both of them with you? and it was perfect for longest ride then lol
Lenzyme mini pumps are the best, pump up to 90 psi and have flexible hose which screws on to the valve. Clips on to a holder on to the bottle cage mounts.
If I go for a long ride I carry both, but other times it is always C02, because everything is mounted on the bike and ready to go.
I have a great mini-pump which also allows you to screw in a CO2 cylinder. The advantages of both systems in one little unit!
This is what I use as well
name of the product?
@@xLeonardoxFerraro
XLab Tyre Mate CO2 Inflator & Mini Pump
@@xLeonardoxFerraro Regrettably, being several years old, the brand name has now rubbed off mine. However, I did a quick Google search for "mini pump with CO2 inflator" which brought up many similar devices including some by well known and reputable makers....
Rockbros flexible tube mini pump is pretty good. Had a carbon ultra light one, expensive garbage, trashed after 3 uses.
Also, don't cross thread, or you can get a new one.
Cross threading a valve or pump head is the worst! We find the push on heads easier to use with gloves on.
Maybe I overheard it, but what pressure is the CO2 canister producing in a tire?
HELP PLEASE! Two months after my wife gifted me a beautiful Ghost Kato 3 CX adventure bike in lime green, for my birthday,(14years after a bad klimbing accident) I was told I'm disabled in shoulders, back and knees. (Shoulders are no longer in their sockets, knees are operated on and half of my kneecaps and cartalidge was removed. And spinal cord misfires and shorts out my legs and arms. This means I can ride my bike but no longer on trails and such. One more fall and that would be it. Now my muscles are getting weaker and knees are getting crunchyer. No I won't sell the bike and I will ride untill I'm wheelchair bound. I would like to upgrade to electric with an add-on kit of some sort. Just as a backup to extend my range or for my legs give in during riding. What affordable (lost my business, so no benefits) solutions could you suggest? Range and torque is more important to me than speed. I really hope someone is able to help. Greetings from the Netherlands. David Bakker-Wester.
P.s computer conked out, hence this long story here.
Embn : your E-mountain bike might get a pancure . . .
Gmbn : your mountain bike might get a pancure . . .
How do you know what pressure your tyre now sits at once you have blasted it with the co2?!
I have always Mini Pump and co2 cartridge
Mini Pump all the way baby!! But not a cheap toy like that in this video 😎🚲🚲
Simple, I carry both
You can regulate C02 as well.
how much bar i can get with small and with big bottles into my 29x2.60 ?
Mini pump for the reason of not running out of air.
I’ve just started carrying C02. I’ve not had a puncture yet since carrying them.
They actually ward off punctures if you carry them in your pack. Guy named Murphy told me that...or something.
Can you store the canister and connector connected together? Or do they have to be stored unattached? Cheers
Unattached is going to be better for longevity. It's safer too, you don't want this thing to go off accidentally in your bag. It can get dangerously cold.
Both for me. Carry a pump and a CO2 cylinder.
1 is good twice is nice i carry both
We run tubeless and carry the Co2 with a few extra cartridges. So far have not needed it and believe me right after we went tubeless I TRIED to get a puncture and failed.
Tubeless is just the best! Always good to carry the spares though!
Hi how does the o2 affect tubeless sealant??
Some cheaper variants can freeze, all good sealant is absolutely fine though 👍
Good to hold both, lightweight emergency pack, 'Keep It Simple Stupid'. No wrong in double measures..
I was at least expecting a test on mini pump - how long does it take to pump 29x2.6 wheel. This would be really interesting to know 👍
@Strong man Exactly! I carry both, the pump being a last resort in case I screw up using the CO2. Or to top off the pressure because I find that 1 16g canister is not enough in a 29 x 2.6
Nothing is holding you to test yourself 😇
Why would you need to dump CO2 from your tire?
If it is some reaction with sealant, would be nice to see some tests/reports on such..?CO2 is in normal temperatures/pressures in gas form and should behave similar way as oxygen and nitrogen that normal air mostly is, hence don't see why it would not work for longer periods...
Co2 won't last long
everytime I have needed a mini pump...mine or someone I stop to borrow one....they don't work!! Rubber seals maybe not used for weeks...don't work when you finally come to use it. I rarely get a puncture cos I run tubeless but if I do I use a co2 cannister plus adapter that enables you to control the flow. So they are useful to just add a few psi if required....i.e. not single use at all unless you use all its contents in one shot. I carry the adapter and 4 cannisters all as part of a mini took kit in a tiny under saddle bag.
I feel like you should have led with the whole "CO2 is for emergency use only and you need to replace with air" in the cons and also in general. Like I get the concept of pumping air into a tire but I searched this to figure out why you'd use CO2 in a bike tire only to find that you apparently shouldn't??
This video is missing the most important information, what average amount of time will it take to fill a certain tire size and how many cartridges will it take to fill the same tire and the time required.
Both
Mini pumps dont run out a good one will last forever with proper maintenance. And if u travel c02 is out of the question. Although both are good like said co2 is good to seat tubless.
For MTB, you can buy 25gm or bigger cartridges - as for the environmental aspect, it is CO2 that is heating the planet... so it is actually a good thing to store it in your tyre... There is now a tubeless sealant that is compatible with CO2... a few cartridges are not that heavy, less than a snack bar or a spare tube...
Producing and storing that portion of CO2 in the cartrige is producing way more CO2 in the process so this is not the best argument :)
C02
Always the mini pump always
Why can't the co2 stay in the tire? 🤔
Or an electric mini pump
There is something missing: Is one cannister enough to completely fill up a plus size mtb tire (29 x 2.8 inch) or do you need more? A live test would have been helpful...
1 would be enough yes. a 29x2.5 'regular' sort of MTB tyre can be seated and inflated way higher than you would usually run on the trail from a single cartridge. So a tyre with marginally higher volume should still. be on the firm side provided there's not much CO2 escaping before the bead pops on
Oh and: handpump. Might take longer but not limited by amount of cartridges. No under or over filling, not temperature sensitive. Lighter. Some valves tire start leaking because the co2 froze and damaged seals etc. Can also use for airshocks adjustment( depending on comparability). Co2 might need some practice to master and any mistake with co2 means loss off charge, hand pump is more forgiving in that sense. Plus lot higher psi's can be achieved. One handpump might save/ help allot more riders on a trip than a few cartidges.
Very true David!
I rather buy a bigger pump instead of a mini pump
Or get a electric portable pump
Crankbros gem mini for the win. It’s switchable from high volume low pressure to high pressure low volume. It’s also a good workout. Pumps also don’t run out.
Why say (earlier in the video) it'll take days later hours to pump up with mini pump? People who don't know may be confused by this. More like five mins?
CO² used to be popular for making seltzer water. People don't do that anymore. Bicyclists would be better off with nitrogen. Why can't we get camnisters with nitrogen? I believe the demand would be instant.
My pump head works as an inflator if I’m in a hurry I’ll throw a co2 at it, if it’s someone on a trail that doesn’t carry anything to fix their own stuff they can pump it up the old fashioned way.
Just buy the cheap mini pump from Decathlon for £2.99. Works perfectly well.
100% agree, in fact it works better than ones 10x the price. I've tried so many mini-pumps and they are universally junk. The Decathlon one is amazing value and works better than the expensive ones!
5$ mini pump for all my needs, 3rd year and counting. Days to inflate? On which planet?
Same here. Cheap ini pump and takes a couple of minutes. Crap advice in the vid tbh
Hmmm.
You pump it in and out.
Ive been doing it out and in, no wonder my tyres are on upside down
There is no way to get 45 -50 psi into my hybrid bike tyre with a portable hand pump. Max I have managed is 25.5 psi this includes around 6psi I am losing when disconnecting the screw-on adapter, so I get 31.5psi in and lose around 6psi taking the adapter off.
I carry 10 kgs of camping kit on my rear rack as well, so 25.5 psi is just not good enough. I would not ever use co2. I need to get a mini floor pump to go long-distance cycling over days on end of camping excursions. I don't know of a better solution. My tyres should be run between 45 - 50 psi, after a few days, the the tyres naturally lose around 2 - 6 psi. A hand pump is useless for topping up. So, in summary, even portable hand pumps are jus for emergencies and are not efficient enough to get our tyre to the correct pressure. Buying the hand pump was a waste of money for me.
With everything going off in the world you are yet to mention anything about the virus. It would be a great opportunity to talk about the benefits of using your bike during this worrying time period. Keep up the great work!
"Days to inflate" ????
CO2 is not air , and it expands and contracts way more with heat changes messing up your tyre pressure. So many reasons not to like CO2 .
Dude, you've got an electric motor on your $8k moped! Does anyone else see the answer? Stupid simple if you think it over.
Why carry a compressor with you all day when a cheaper hand pump is lighter and has endless uses even if the battery is flat
Er... there is no air in CO2 cartridge. Thus the name CO2....
half a pump, quarter pump. really
I found it useless. Can't fix it tightly to presta valve. I relly on tow service
Argh want to just avoid this video due to e bike. I'll watch but don't condone
I love when e-bikers talk about environment 😂
Well, just use a muscular bike then, just be a real man, unless you have a handicap of course 😉
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