Previous diesel mechanic here! I went with a 21 F250 7.3 and couldn’t be happier! I tow 10k-12k on the regular and it does what I need it to do and does it well. A lot of 6.7’s hardly pull anything anyway, it’s more of a status symbol to have a diesel. Lot of folks have to show off the fact they financed an $80k truck for 8 years. I stick to what I can pay cash for.
If you can keep increasing your income, you stop worrying so much about financing. Financing is a superpower, as long as you’re always progressing and never get complacent.
@@myrusEW if used correctly. most dudes in these trucks think 'progressing' is a couple dollars raise every 2-3 years and are willing to pay 10+% interest for 6+ year.
I’m sticking with gas. Getting there first is not what it’s about. Pulling over the pass faster is not (or sure as hell shouldn’t be) what it’s about. First up to speed is not what it’s about. Cost of repairs is everything about what it’s about. The short guys always want the diesels. Makes them feel bigger I guess.
Bought a ‘03 F250 new, with the new 6.0. Engine was great when it ran. Had it bulletproofed, spent tens of thousands and it kept breaking down, finally fixed it by throwing the engine out and having a Cummins dropped in. 5.9 12v ran perfectly until I got rid of the truck in ‘18 and downsized to a F150. Used to call the 6.0 the Power on Strike.
I have a 17 f250 Screw longbed with the 6.2. I absolutely love my truck. Would I go trade it in on an identical 7.3 Godzilla?, no. Because current truck prices are ridiculous. I paid 37k for my 2017 truck as a new leftover when the 2019s were hitting the lot. No way I’m paying twice that these days. I get 11-13 mpg whether towing my overloaded 26” enclosed car-hauler or commuting to work. I know a rural fencing & steel building contractor that has the 7.3 as his personal truck and just yesterday he told me he will eventually start swapping out his fleet of 5 powerstroke chassis cabs for the 7.3s as they start dying. He said the maintenance isn’t worth the few MPG in savings especially with diesel prices & excessive maintenance requirements for 5 of them. I personally don’t think I’ll ever need a diesel for what I will ever tow. The 6.2 will suffice. As far as longevity there is a well known contributor to the ford trucks forum that has well over a million miles towing on his 6.2, original engine & transmission. He’s a hotshot out of Texas I believe.
The biggest benefit of diesel to me isn't so much trucks it's always been equipment you can park a dozer or tractor for a year or more. Throw a fresh battery on and fire up a diesel. Gas not so much
Traded a f450 in after 16 thousand dollars fixing it in 2020 for a f350 7.3 4.30 gears. Tow a 2020 413 raptor toy hauler. With side by side and everything else it with the truck scales 28k. The 7.3 in manual mode slowed better down hill than the diesel and I keep it in 8th towing at 65-70 mph.
I prefer the simplicity of a gas engine. I don’t have to worry about DEF, regen cycles, the dpf system, not working the engine enough and the cost of repairs when it is out of warranty.
Hard argument these days, a lot of these trucks have pretty fast 10 speeds, so shifting down isn't much of an issue than the 6 speed days. The hardest sell for Diesel is the emissions control, they're slowly killing the engine and fail all the time. Unless you tow near max tow most of the time, it's almost not worth getting a diesel for more money upfront AND later (fuel and maintenance)
I'd say diesel all the way! The performance envelope of the diesel is just much greater than the gas motor. In the same vein, when I'm buying a new Lamborghini Huracan, I'm not going to be too concerned about the poor mileage, high maintenance costs, more complex engine, less luggage capacity, more expensive tires compared to a new Toyota Camery!
I sold my Ram last month. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another diesel. The new ones have been incredibly unreliable and expensive (in my experience). I like that 7.3L Godzilla engine. If I needed a new fullsize truck, that engine with the Tremor package or a Power Wagon would be a tough call.
I’ve always been underwhelmed with the performance when driving Power Wagons. I love the Hemi in a Ram 1500 (particularly with an 8 speed auto) but it feels underwhelming to me in the 2500.
Interesting video. As a 6.7 Tremor owner I can say I've considered trading for a 7.3 Tremor... but ultimately I think I fall into a similar mindset as Chris that I'd rather be ready for almost anything, which in my mind is eventually a slide in pop up camper and towing the crawler. Or towing two crawlers. Or driving 5-600 miles straight shot. But I hate the complexity of the 6.7 Powerstroke. I'm considering changing over to a 6.7 Cummins. I feel like there are so many caveats to this discussion, not just diesel vs gas but which diesel vs which gas?
100% this. the only reason I didn't buy a Cummins is because of the 6spd, having 4 extra gears when towing to keep rpms low is huge. but now after being on my 2nd F350 Tremor I'm very tempted to switch to RAM with the simplicity of the platform and ease to delete the truck. now there are even rumors Cummins is developing a hydrogen/ diesel engine which will be a game changer.
@@c.h.9827 the 10 speed is definitely a big advantage. Going from my 6spd 2015 Powerstroke to a 10spd 2021 was a pretty big change. Since the 2023 Ram update isn’t coming with a 10 speed I feel like by the time it does get one there will be so much technology baked into the the truck that I won’t be as interested. I want my cake, and I want to eat it too!
I’ll take a 6.7 over a ram all day. I’ve had both and not a huge fan of ram trucks. I have 250k on my 6.7 will zero issues except a def heater go out. 22 mpg. Can’t beat it. Gas engine will have a hard time going past 250k
My ‘21 Tremor with the 7.3 is overall better than my ‘20 Cummins. MPG is worse and power is slightly worse but there is no stress of emissions failure, DEF running low, or the expensive maintenance. Also at only 6’2 my head was 1” from the roof in the Ram. I have plenty of room in the Ford and an extra few inches of room in the back seat and bed. Ram was good to me but I’m much happier in the Ford. Would go with Powerstroke if I had the money but the 7.3 is impressive especially with a tune
They did not. In my experience it is easier to get more power out of a forced induction engine since all you have to do it turn up the boost a little bit.
I think he meant 600000. No fuckin way he's got a six million Mike engine and tranny and no leaks from anywhere and the same break pads. I smell BULLSHIT
I have a diesel and the shop just quoted me 12k to fix the fuel system, I want reliability but not at that cost, with 12k I can fix a gas truck for the rest of its life of about 20 years if taken care of if not more
People hate everything it's like democrats and Republicans lol. But seriously I've had lots of trucks and the most expensive engine and most broke down was a diesel. It stranded me more than all others combined. My brothers 6.0 powerstroke cost him over 20,000 not including all the work he missed. Both of us went back to gas and been trouble free since. It's true nothing pulls like a diesel but modern gas is good enough for us and neither of us has been stranded since. I agree though get what you prefer it's the good thing about America we got choices.
I would venture to say that you would not necessarily want large mud tires when towing. Seems like it would effect the fuel economy and handling when under a load....especially if it is lifted very much. But hey...
If I could afford a new gas truck I’d get rid of my 6.0 powerstroke I have the title. I can’t justify a 55k-63k and that’s a base model with very few options and that’s my employee price being a ford technician. I pull about 12k with my rv and quad
Look at it this way, with a diesel, you have more options of towing in the future than with gas, in addition, the effortless the diesel pulls is worth it!
So my 96 with 346k gets better mpg than a 6.7? Can you say gov. overreach? Todays cars and pickups should be getting way better mileage than the old ones, my 67 Fairlane would get 26mpg on the hwy with the windows down going 70 and that is a V8 with a holly 600. Makes zero sense! Good video!
I like the 7.3 Godzilla but the 10 speed autos are horrible, they should have used a zF6 My 21 7.3 all it does is shift and clunks all the time , not a fan I’m looking for a old 6.8 v10 zF6 truck to replace my 21 with
Try the new transmission they put in the 23 models. Same as diesel but programmed different. My 23 acted confused and weird for first 2500 miles or so then smoothed out. Drives great now
So out of touch up in the stratosphere. Can you feature something us mere mortals can even dream of looking at? Could you bring it back down to earth...to reality plz?
Diesel by miles kids # 1 resale value #2 oil change #3 towing capacity #4 diesel will go 300k miles with eas but gas after 100k miles get ready for lemon
It’s federally illegal so they can’t advertise deleted diesels or their benefits…I own a deleted 14’ Ford 6.7 so I get the benefits. It’s also probably my last diesel. Going back to a gasser for the next truck.
@@roadglide1142 Same. 26k miles and zero issues even with a performance tune. Even if I get the lifter issue it’s under warranty for another 10k and if it happens outside the warranty term, I’ll swap in a performance cam kit while they’ve got her opened up to make it worth my money
Previous diesel mechanic here! I went with a 21 F250 7.3 and couldn’t be happier! I tow 10k-12k on the regular and it does what I need it to do and does it well. A lot of 6.7’s hardly pull anything anyway, it’s more of a status symbol to have a diesel. Lot of folks have to show off the fact they financed an $80k truck for 8 years. I stick to what I can pay cash for.
If you can keep increasing your income, you stop worrying so much about financing. Financing is a superpower, as long as you’re always progressing and never get complacent.
@@myrusEW if used correctly. most dudes in these trucks think 'progressing' is a couple dollars raise every 2-3 years and are willing to pay 10+% interest for 6+ year.
I’m sticking with gas. Getting there first is not what it’s about. Pulling over the pass faster is not (or sure as hell shouldn’t be) what it’s about. First up to speed is not what it’s about. Cost of repairs is everything about what it’s about. The short guys always want the diesels. Makes them feel bigger I guess.
06 Dodge 5.9 Cummins 35 inch tires,200,000 miles no leaks 6spd. 22 mpg. Sad that the standards have dropped and been lost in smog regulations.
Early 80s Chevy luv diesel 40mpg🤔🤔🤔
I had an 05. I miss it and wish I still had it..
Bought a ‘03 F250 new, with the new 6.0. Engine was great when it ran.
Had it bulletproofed, spent tens of thousands and it kept breaking down, finally fixed it by throwing the engine out and having a Cummins dropped in.
5.9 12v ran perfectly until I got rid of the truck in ‘18 and downsized to a F150.
Used to call the 6.0 the Power on Strike.
Wow, what a story
I have a 17 f250 Screw longbed with the 6.2. I absolutely love my truck. Would I go trade it in on an identical 7.3 Godzilla?, no. Because current truck prices are ridiculous. I paid 37k for my 2017 truck as a new leftover when the 2019s were hitting the lot. No way I’m paying twice that these days. I get 11-13 mpg whether towing my overloaded 26” enclosed car-hauler or commuting to work.
I know a rural fencing & steel building contractor that has the 7.3 as his personal truck and just yesterday he told me he will eventually start swapping out his fleet of 5 powerstroke chassis cabs for the 7.3s as they start dying. He said the maintenance isn’t worth the few MPG in savings especially with diesel prices & excessive maintenance requirements for 5 of them.
I personally don’t think I’ll ever need a diesel for what I will ever tow. The 6.2 will suffice.
As far as longevity there is a well known contributor to the ford trucks forum that has well over a million miles towing on his 6.2, original engine & transmission. He’s a hotshot out of Texas I believe.
The biggest benefit of diesel to me isn't so much trucks it's always been equipment you can park a dozer or tractor for a year or more. Throw a fresh battery on and fire up a diesel. Gas not so much
ok? this video isn't about equipment though, apples to oranges
Traded a f450 in after 16 thousand dollars fixing it in 2020 for a f350 7.3 4.30 gears. Tow a 2020 413 raptor toy hauler. With side by side and everything else it with the truck scales 28k. The 7.3 in manual mode slowed better down hill than the diesel and I keep it in 8th towing at 65-70 mph.
I prefer the simplicity of a gas engine. I don’t have to worry about DEF, regen cycles, the dpf system, not working the engine enough and the cost of repairs when it is out of warranty.
Gas trucks and diesel tractors for me
Diesel is king. I don't want my truck to even think about shifting down while towing uphill.
I'll take the one with a cummins in it though.
Hard argument these days, a lot of these trucks have pretty fast 10 speeds, so shifting down isn't much of an issue than the 6 speed days. The hardest sell for Diesel is the emissions control, they're slowly killing the engine and fail all the time. Unless you tow near max tow most of the time, it's almost not worth getting a diesel for more money upfront AND later (fuel and maintenance)
@@gwot You are spot on about the emissions. I bought new a 2020 chevrolet 2500hd diesel... it has been a lemon. 49 codes since new and I only have
I'd say diesel all the way! The performance envelope of the diesel is just much greater than the gas motor.
In the same vein, when I'm buying a new Lamborghini Huracan, I'm not going to be too concerned about the poor mileage, high maintenance costs, more complex engine, less luggage capacity, more expensive tires compared to a new Toyota Camery!
I sold my Ram last month. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another diesel. The new ones have been incredibly unreliable and expensive (in my experience). I like that 7.3L Godzilla engine. If I needed a new fullsize truck, that engine with the Tremor package or a Power Wagon would be a tough call.
I’ve always been underwhelmed with the performance when driving Power Wagons. I love the Hemi in a Ram 1500 (particularly with an 8 speed auto) but it feels underwhelming to me in the 2500.
Did exactly this. Traded my ‘20 Ram Cummins in for a ‘21 Tremor 7.3 and love it
Interesting video. As a 6.7 Tremor owner I can say I've considered trading for a 7.3 Tremor... but ultimately I think I fall into a similar mindset as Chris that I'd rather be ready for almost anything, which in my mind is eventually a slide in pop up camper and towing the crawler. Or towing two crawlers. Or driving 5-600 miles straight shot. But I hate the complexity of the 6.7 Powerstroke. I'm considering changing over to a 6.7 Cummins. I feel like there are so many caveats to this discussion, not just diesel vs gas but which diesel vs which gas?
100% this. the only reason I didn't buy a Cummins is because of the 6spd, having 4 extra gears when towing to keep rpms low is huge. but now after being on my 2nd F350 Tremor I'm very tempted to switch to RAM with the simplicity of the platform and ease to delete the truck. now there are even rumors Cummins is developing a hydrogen/ diesel engine which will be a game changer.
@@c.h.9827 the 10 speed is definitely a big advantage. Going from my 6spd 2015 Powerstroke to a 10spd 2021 was a pretty big change. Since the 2023 Ram update isn’t coming with a 10 speed I feel like by the time it does get one there will be so much technology baked into the the truck that I won’t be as interested. I want my cake, and I want to eat it too!
I’ll take a 6.7 over a ram all day. I’ve had both and not a huge fan of ram trucks. I have 250k on my 6.7 will zero issues except a def heater go out. 22 mpg. Can’t beat it. Gas engine will have a hard time going past 250k
@@coreym5072 what year Ram and what didn’t you like?
My ‘21 Tremor with the 7.3 is overall better than my ‘20 Cummins. MPG is worse and power is slightly worse but there is no stress of emissions failure, DEF running low, or the expensive maintenance. Also at only 6’2 my head was 1” from the roof in the Ram. I have plenty of room in the Ford and an extra few inches of room in the back seat and bed. Ram was good to me but I’m much happier in the Ford. Would go with Powerstroke if I had the money but the 7.3 is impressive especially with a tune
Not sure where you live, but diesel is consistently almost $1.00/ gal higher than gas in CO
I’m currently looking for a Deisel f250 crew cab 8ft bed, never thought it would be so hard to locate one
Diesel near me in CT is a $1.20-1.40 more vs Regular. Hard to do it at this point.
It is a big difference in fuel prices. Florida has a minimum 50 cent difference
Did either truck ever get a dyno tune or a simple computer tune installed? Not sure that would make a bit of difference in the decision.
They did not. In my experience it is easier to get more power out of a forced induction engine since all you have to do it turn up the boost a little bit.
1996 F250 diesel 6,000,000+ miles, no leaks, same brake pads, original engine and tranny and no repairs to either.
You have six million miles on your brake pads?! 🤯
@@HarrySituations I like to see those break pads.
6 million miles???? 😵😵😵😵😵
I think he meant 600000. No fuckin way he's got a six million Mike engine and tranny and no leaks from anywhere and the same break pads. I smell BULLSHIT
Seriously 😂
You're comparing diesel versus premium fuel in price. In reality it's really about $1.00 difference diesel versus 87 gas as the 7.3 runs great on 87.
It’s funny the ones that can’t afford diesels hate them. I own both I prefer the Deisel over the gas
I have a diesel and the shop just quoted me 12k to fix the fuel system, I want reliability but not at that cost, with 12k I can fix a gas truck for the rest of its life of about 20 years if taken care of if not more
People hate everything it's like democrats and Republicans lol. But seriously I've had lots of trucks and the most expensive engine and most broke down was a diesel. It stranded me more than all others combined. My brothers 6.0 powerstroke cost him over 20,000 not including all the work he missed. Both of us went back to gas and been trouble free since. It's true nothing pulls like a diesel but modern gas is good enough for us and neither of us has been stranded since. I agree though get what you prefer it's the good thing about America we got choices.
I would venture to say that you would not necessarily want large mud tires when towing. Seems like it would effect the fuel economy and handling when under a load....especially if it is lifted very much. But hey...
Terrific info, thanks!
If I could afford a new gas truck I’d get rid of my 6.0 powerstroke I have the title. I can’t justify a 55k-63k and that’s a base model with very few options and that’s my employee price being a ford technician. I pull about 12k with my rv and quad
I’m kinda thinking both will pop the motors
Good video. Should’ve had them tow with each others trucks.
That is a great idea! Maybe we need Part 2…
2023 super duty increased gas power, older big gasser don't cab off blow out savings account high mileage repairs
6.7 superduty is the king of the road.
Diesel is better, but too expensive.
The 6.7 exhaust break sucks ! Anyone who tows heavy will tell you that also ! Aka workplay channel who tows extremely heavy with his F-450!
The engine brake has 2 settings. A auto & manual control. Manual is much stouter than the automatic setting. Just an FYI.
50 cents minimum difference between gas and oil
11:55 what if I’m not hauling anything but I want one just to have. Which should I get?
In that case I would get the gas engine.
Look at it this way, with a diesel, you have more options of towing in the future than with gas, in addition, the effortless the diesel pulls is worth it!
So my 96 with 346k gets better mpg than a 6.7? Can you say gov. overreach? Todays cars and pickups should be getting way better mileage than the old ones, my 67 Fairlane would get 26mpg on the hwy with the windows down going 70 and that is a V8 with a holly 600. Makes zero sense! Good video!
prove it or it didnt happen
@@justinfannon8159 It had a 289, c4 and 279 gears. It was stock except the carb and intake. take it or leave it putz.
@@andjp7382 so an outdated 3 speed auto?? like I said prove it or it didn’t happen. Putz
Your 96 doesn’t make 1000 ft-lbs of torque though. 😅 Manufacturers seem to more concerned with power and tow ratings than fuel economy.
@@HarrySituations Nope it does not, but it still gets the job done. The new ones are nice but the price is crazy.
I like the 7.3 Godzilla but the 10 speed autos are horrible, they should have used a zF6 My 21 7.3 all it does is shift and clunks all the time , not a fan I’m looking for a old 6.8 v10 zF6 truck to replace my 21 with
Try the new transmission they put in the 23 models. Same as diesel but programmed different. My 23 acted confused and weird for first 2500 miles or so then smoothed out. Drives great now
At the end of this video anyone can see this video is absolutely slanted against the diesel with two comparison charts this guy puts up.
So out of touch up in the stratosphere. Can you feature something us mere mortals can even dream of looking at? Could you bring it back down to earth...to reality plz?
Gasoline was invented for the peasants to spend more on fuel
Diesel by miles kids
# 1 resale value
#2 oil change
#3 towing capacity
#4 diesel will go 300k miles with eas but gas after 100k miles get ready for lemon
Yall need to start talking about diesel in the deleted sense.
It’s federally illegal so they can’t advertise deleted diesels or their benefits…I own a deleted 14’ Ford 6.7 so I get the benefits. It’s also probably my last diesel. Going back to a gasser for the next truck.
Tire ad, I’m out
The 7.3 gas engines are having big time problems!!!!!
They’re blown out of proportion because you know, internet
My 2021 7.3 has been perfect!
@@roadglide1142 Same. 26k miles and zero issues even with a performance tune. Even if I get the lifter issue it’s under warranty for another 10k and if it happens outside the warranty term, I’ll swap in a performance cam kit while they’ve got her opened up to make it worth my money
45k on my 20 and it's been great
Diesel stinks
Delete it god damn it
So does love, but people still opt for it!!!
Very poor test not very objective
Thanks for the feedback. What would you like to see in a diesel versus gas comparison?