Should Ireland's Sam Prendergast have been sent off? | Whistle Watch
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024
- In the final Whistle Watch of this season, Nigel Owens deliberates on the weekend's Autumn Nations Series fixtures.
Nigel gives his thoughts on if Ireland's Sam Prendergast should have received a red card against Fiji and he also looks at why France received a penalty try and a yellow card for Argentina's deliberate knock into touch at the Stade de France.
Nigel also answers some of your Emirates fan questions and hands out his very own awards for the Autumn Nations Series.
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I am Irish and that was deliberate by Prendergast, red all day long, poor officiating.
Being deliberate or not doesnt make it a red card, learn the laws!
@cathalsheehan9596 clouded opinion,. It was direct contact shoulder to the head, no mitigation plus it was deliberate, fully versed on the laws obviously you are clearly only up to yellow and haven't reached the chapter that covers red
@@michaelbyrne2381 It was direct head contact...you are forgetting about the part called force, the level of force was very low which impacts the level of danger in the hit. The direct head contact meant the hit reached the yellow card threshold but the low level of force meant the hit never reach the high degree of danger threshold which is required for the hit to be a red card. Mitigation doesn't matter in regards to a red card because due to the mid/low level of danger the hit isnt a red card anyway, the mitigation section will determine weather its a yellow card or just a penalty though.
Yeah this opinion of yours just tells me you dont know the laws very well...let me guess, you think its a red card because Brian O'Driscol said it was
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@@cathalsheehan9596 might want to spell his name correctly before making a comment. Prendergast can count himself very lucky and even more so as he's starting Saturday.
I just learnt something today from Nigel’s interpretation of the laws. “How the officials think”. So the laws are subjective to the officials emotions. Interesting take here
I loved the respect the Fiji players showed to Michael D Higgins too. A nice contrast to Martin Johnson's behaviour a few years back.... 🙊
A few years, more like 20 something years back.
You can bet your last dollar that if the roles were reversed and it was a Fiji shoulder into the face of Prendergast it would have been red card all day long.
It was very unsportsmanlike and while the danger was maybe low hence only yellow overall Pendergast was lucky. As an Irishman, I’m hoping he’ll never do that again.
Why don't you do this program for the URC competion as well?
Nigel, would you ever consider going back as a TMO.. would love to see you involved in some way.. or even as a pundit?? From one of your many Irish fans..
He does pundit for the BBC at times, alongside the commentators during the match, rather than the on-screen ex-player pundits.
PLEASE PLEASE can World Rugby enforce the ruck law 13:
"Players must endeavour to remain on their feet throughout the ruck."
All this pontificating about 'croc rolls' etc - they are against this law that's been there for years! Players are off their feet!
Same goes for players off feet when they hit the ruck. They need to be in control at the hit - the fall can come after contact..
Both issues happen in every game - it's all well and good talking about the top level with medics, insurances etc. but what about ALL levels?
If players and refs allow this at junior and amateur level we end up with horrific ACL injuries that result in players leaving the game and worse, without private medical, a long wait for treatment to just live normally.
If you're digesting that, also consider the ruck offside.
Refs have to watch the ruck and players behind hindmost foot (again, never consistently reffed).
Consider a 1m gap behind the ruck - clear space for the touch judge to call on.
Players are fitter now, less space - force the 1m - adds fatigue to defence and gives more space in attack.
We may get a ball passed beyond the 12 on a phase then...
We miss you as a ref.
While the All Blacks were deserved winners against Italy, the officiating left a lot to be desired. I agree with Scott Barrett's yellow card for the croc roll, but where’s the consistency? Scott Cummings saw red for the same offence just two weeks ago. Similarly, the second All Blacks try should never have happened-it was clear even from the second tier that Page-Relo's kick bounced infield and then off Telea's knee, meaning it should have been Italy's line-out. Nika Amashukeli’s involvement here raises eyebrows too, given his track record (the Faiva fiasco in Dublin).
And in the second half, Brousset’s handling of Tuipulotu's head-on-head tackle on Negri was baffling. Overruling Trainini to avoid even a yellow card is questionable, especially with today's standards. Meanwhile, the no-arms tackle by Aumua on Brex was somehow deemed a "good tackle," but Cannone was punished under the same offence for much less earlier-again, no consistency.
To top it off, the penultimate ABs try came after Brousset appeared ready to penalise the All Blacks for not driving straight but instead let play continue, leading to the score.
This isn’t about bias; the All Blacks were worthy winners. But the lack of consistency and the low standard of officiating and TMOing in general is becoming a real concern for World Rugby.
What was the "Faiva fiasco" in Dublin?
He was technically applying the letter of the law, but because Italy couldn’t contest the scrum as the starting hooker had gone off injured, they were forced to play an hour in 13 men (1 for the red and 1 for the uncontested scrums as a result of the red)
@tdubs9726tw ahh, I remember that one. Even the Irish team thought it was ridiculous and asked if there was anyway to sort it out, so that it wouldn't ruin the game.
@tdubs9726tw to be fair though, he can't be blamed for applying the laws of the game. If he hadn't, people would have bitched and moaned about that too. No win situation
when i saw the croc roll that scott barrett got a yellow for, I immediately wondered how he only got a yellow, when scott cummings got a red for almost the exact same action. in fact, I thought scott barretts was worse
Nigel was the best ref
Nigel will always be the best ref
As an Irish supporter, as much as it was his first cap, he should have seen red. It was intentional, high risk and unsportsmanlike conduct.
That's all considered in step 2 of the protocol, its step 3 that determines if its a red card or not which is degree of danger...which Nigel points out wasnt high.
No it wasnt shoulder brush no real.intent😅😅
@@cathalsheehan9596 I disagree and I think Owens, is usually right. I loved him as a red and now on his reviews
@@cathalsheehan9596he agrees though, after watching it again that those believing it should be red would have been right. He could have broken the players jaw, so how is that not a high degree of danger?
@@ocodeskamcdbsm "Could have broken the players jaw"...come off it now, the Fiji player barely felt it bar the period he spent play acting trying to get the referee to review the hit...
Gonzalez's action wasn't intentional to knock the ball out. If you scrutinize the video you will se his arm behind his back hoping to catch the ball. TMO and referee got it wrong.
Agree, I thought it was pretty obvious.
Is Perendergast a Farrell understudy...
Straight red all day long
Not according to the protocols.
@@cathalsheehan9596 entirely dependent on the subjective decision of force as discussed in the video.
@ The hit was about as low a force as it could be, it was never a red card.
2:40 Why then the ref didn't call for a penalty in the very last ball of the game? A French player striped away the ball from the Argentine carrier, and the ball ended out of the field.
So World Rugby can’t use video of the sport they run?
Love your segment...but no defence on this one....should have been a red all day...I would love if you to disagree with refs sometimes if warranted.
There is defence, the protocol clearly shows why it wasnt a red card.
Amazing video
An Irish supporter, first cap but should have been red...sorry.
Red card all the time for any southern hemisphere team!!
I agree re the red that was not a red that was a red
red
the problem with the Prendergast "tackle" is that it was deliberate foul play. so I can't understand how the level of danger comes into it? to me its a case for a full red card, not even a 20 minute red
Because that is the protocol, also saying its "deliberate" or not its just allow subjectivity to come into it. According to the protocols its NOT a red card.
@@cathalsheehan9596 he shoulders the fijian in the face way after the ball has left the fijian foot. it was clearly deliberate. the protocols are grey you know. we have laws and not rules in rugby, so subjectivity is inherently in the way the game is refereed
@@perthshirewildfoods8760 Plenty of others have said different...no, people's opinion are grey, the protocols are clear as day. I think you are calling it grey because you know deep down based on the protocol the referee and her team got the decision right.
@@cathalsheehan9596 the laws are applied differently depending on the opinion of the referee on the day!
@@cathalsheehan9596 clearly with a name like cathal sheehan, you are irish and cannot have an unbias view on the matter. I am neither irish, nor fijian, i am a neutral and looking at the situation as a neutral
Ireland 10 must be sanctioned for unsportsmanlike behaviour
He was, he got a yellow card.
Yes and with a 10 week ban. Not even a 20 minute red was justified. Full red down to 14 all game
10 week ban? Where is the precedent for that?