Nope, not really. The bench mark is players like os ox durandt who nche would never touch sides with. Just cos the chubby chaps black doesn't mean he's due anything.
@@SteveWarlee Os was a great player, and perhaps the bigger picture here is that he wasn't nominated either, illustrating that props are not given enough credit. Ox has dominated every opponent in the scrums this year. He's also been good in the loose- that second test against Ireland was a prime example. Not sure why you felt the need to bring race into it?
Ox Nche should have been nominated for world player of the year. It's frankly a disgrace that no prop has ever been nominated for this reward. Rugby union is a game for all shapes and sizes. Let's give some recognition for the props for once.
Disagree with the welsh player being hit and possibly being knocked out and laying on the ball. If he is out and motionless he needs to be taken for a HIA off the field. Or the penalty needs to reinstated as he was slowing down the play. Effects of knockouts can be delayed up to days. The referee was also confused he was still on the field when they packed the scrum and is going well I should have just left it as a penalty.
There is no initial HIA for a player who is out etc. It's an auto fail and off you go. If the ref said the player was out, it's a brave medical team to say well he is fine. I must assume the doc on review saw he was ok but it's still a bad look. On the decision I fully agree with you. It's either scum and off he goes as he couldn't move after a head hit or it's a pen for not rolling. Don't really blame the ref. It's a tough situation but also don't think we should be saying that the way it went down was correct.
@@SteveWarleename one tighthead who can handle Ox? Actually don't. If you're deluded enough to not see his effectiveness then you probably think there are props in his league. Let's not waste bandwidth.
@ the ball carrier dipped at the last minute. Had he not no head contact would have been made. At the speed that collision happened what more can a player do? If you are carrying and fall into contact, some responsibility is on you.
@@Aesyrbane yeah mate, I just went and rewatched it and the ball carriers knees are almost on the ground and he is bent at the hips. The referee states he is upright, but he is no where near upright. I can swallow a yellow, because kerevi gets his head on the wrong side, but as far as height it’s absolute bollocks. And a 3 match ban? If he played for one of the privileged few teams it wouldn’t even make it to judiciary.
Kerevi braces himself, and the welsh player drops at contact. A split second that he has to get lower. It's actual time, not slow motion. The laws are blaming humans as if they are robots. By that ruling, running at an individual at a distance means a defensive player puts himself at risk of injury by putting his head so low to cop a knee???
No bias. Kerevi came in too high for a start (reckless) and doubled down with poor technique. Dangerous tackles have to be eliminated, and they will be eliminated, so making an example of one player is essential, the end.
@@peterclark6290 as long as it’s a player in another team being made an example of…🙄 The guy copped a red card and was out of the game, this is just taking it too far.
@@yogafyr303 Play silly games, win silly prizes. There's a reason why on-paper Rugby super powers like Fiji don't win consistently. They're playing something other than 80 minute, clinically accurate, flat out concentration Rugby. Where staying on the paddock is a fundamental requirement. Rugby sets the bar very high. In an attempt to refine sport to the difference between a brawl and 'a contest'.
@@yogafyr303 Your job as a tackler is to (a) tackle and (b) in a way that the referee on the field approves. The image presented is key. 2. Some refs have different interpretations and they are studied by the teams prior to the match and explained to the players. If they are consistent then all goes well. Having an upper arm locked onto the chest kinda breaks all of those. Plus, players develop reputations as to how closely they adhere to the laws. I'd suggest you accept the ref's decision and move on.
Our beautiful game is in a very poor state when fans of over 50 years experience need every refereeing decision during matches explained, its become ridiculous. You have TMO who can't keep count past 2 or alternatively don't understand the rules of the game as they apply to themselves, and if we can't trust the TMO why do we even bother with having them?
Kerevi is clearly bent at the hips; the Welsh player does dip significantly both at the knees and the hips. I think yellow was fine but it feels like genuine rugby incidents are seeing red more and more often.
@mark130471 My man, I am as far from an Australia supporter as you'll find. I would be equally as annoyed if the roles were reversed. No, I am just aware that ambiguous laws that are applied without clear reasoning are bad for the sport.
@@bobo707007 I don’t think he was calling you biased, I think he was pointing to the apparent bias in the outcomes of these decision for players from different teams
@@vkeen_observer Was definitely forward according to the Laws imo. Ref was slightly unsighted as the ballplayer was facing away from him. Needs to master the Willie le Roux trick of rolling the hands backwards but passing forwards lol.
What about the Welsh clearout on Nic White that was a head on head? Clear view of the play there as well as White wasn't moving. Still smacked him in the head.
Nicely edited shot of the Kerevi tackle to show only the high contact and not the ball carrier LITERALLY ON HIS KNEES. No mitigation though because ball carriers are not responsible at all if they suddenly drop body height to contribute to high contact. Referees and in particular TMOs are absolutely destroying the game.
Ball carriers are expected to dip in to contact, Kerevi had time to see and adjust but didn't. The ball carrier did not suddenly dip either, and the picture shown was obviously post-contact. Ball carrier was not LITERALLY ON HIS KNEES when he went in to the tackle.
All the 4 women nominated deserve to be in the running. Great players. Interesting to see that the Boks managed to get 3 players into the nominations. As always Nigel, another great episode.
I love this show. I am thinking that Nigel must be watching games on the weekends with dread as he is going to try explain some of the decisions that have everyone head scratching 😂
Love your show! Why do you think a prop has never been nominated for WPOTY? Ox Nche is obviously deserving, there are a few games that couldn’t have been won without him. Props do all the hard work needed for the other players to perform. Shouldn’t they be recognised?
I was hoping Nigel would comment on the disallowed Springbok try. That pass was not forward (Disclaimer: I am a passionate Springbok supporter so it is probably a biased opinion)
Not suprised he didn't talk more about the Moroni yellow card and the last play in Ireland Argentina, World Rugby don't want to highlight their mistakes...
Pieter-Steph du Toit has been very consistent this year and has stood out in virtually every match. They are all very close contenders for the award and it will be a difficult choice eventually.
With the kerevi decision, the opposition player dipped his head just before they hit. Kerevi could not have anticipated the other player would dip. So this seems biased to me IMO. In addition Wales had exactly the same head contact and they got nothing .. Nothing at all. Kerevi got an additional two weeks suspension.
To me player of the year has got to be Eben. He leaves everything on the field everytime, but my hometown lad Kolbe has got to be very close behind. Fantastic player and will set all kinds of records going forward I am sure
The crocodile roll officiating is still a bit inconsistent… Doris and Ryan double croc rolled Marx and got a yellow, that was more dangerous than the Scottish player’s foul.
Omg, look, putting it plain a simple for you, it was head on head tackle. Yes it was a penalty but in my view not a yellow but these things happen in a game. And yes Crowley milked it but still a penalty. Ref's are afraid to call these penalty's nowdays so they leave it up to the tmo's which should not happen. WR need to wake up and help out the ref's a bit more
@@colmancooney9213 Excellent answer! If the Ref is afraid of any decision, he should not be Ref, and he should have the balls to disregard the TMO as well. He has overall authority.
@@colmancooney9213 Three minutes, a turnover, and lots of phases from both teams had passed before the incident was called out. Try should not have been disallowed. Apparently however much time and play passes is irrelevant now, as a TMO can go back as long as they like and waste everyone's time. Also, touch judges were right there and deemed it acceptable. A TMO has no say on the pitch, if a ref said play on it's play on. Refs need to grow some balls and tell the TMO to stuff it.
Nigel you have coped out....Kerevi in your opinion red or not???? I suspect the majority of watchers (and I'm a kiwi so don't give a hoot about the final score) feel a yellow only as both players where bent kneed.
And your not the brightest bulb in the house babes. Final RWC NZ v SA. Ball knocked on. Ref couldn't see it, on other side. NZ score try. Tmo calls them out and try cancelled, rightly so. Don't be a right chongololo tech works.
The quality of refereeing in Rugby is a direct result of the effort put in by all involved. Long may it continue. Recently TV coverage has omitted giving us the names of the assistant referees which I think is in poor taste. They are an important and dare I say it, a valuable part of the game because week after week (I also get NH games and follow them) their combined capacity to manage 30 rampant males, under varying degrees and sources of pressure, put out a great (or not so much occasionally) spectacle. Something needs to be said in the right ears to rectify this.
Not taking off a player after being hit and then lying motionless for a HIA is reprehensible. All the medial staff should all resign. They know how potentially this can go terribly wrong.
The explanation of the Kerevi incident is flawed. First, the claim of a “clear line of sight” is subjective and imposes an assumption about where Kerevi was looking and what he was focusing on in a fast-paced, multifaceted game. Second, the images displayed are misleading. From other angles not shown, the Welsh player’s knees are about 2 inches from the ground, likely omitted to suit their needs. The turf is also cut out in the image presented, further skewing the context.
Something I was very confused about during that Wales game (I was in the crowd) the ref shows his arm out for an advantage the Welsh player chooses to then kick into the 22 because its a free play but then no penalty was given, I asked my friend (who had the commentary in his ear) my question is why would the Welsh player kick if they didn't have advantage (the refs arm was Clearly up) but nothing happened
I was hoping you´d address the Moroni event, considering that the game went on for a full minute, until the TMO intervened giving Williams no alternative. At least the very respected Eggchasers, Tim, is very critical of the TMO intreventions, considering the TMO is not as qualified as the Ref. Thanks for you insights!
@@ricardofox1497 this bs call cost Argentina the game and should never have been the case. Same scenario with nz v FRA and the non existent neckroll. I thought the officiating at the rwc 23 couldn't get worse. I was wrong
Nigel is the GOAT of Refs, and yet with his human share of mistakes. His analysis should be reviewed by WR since nobody has better quality experience than a Ref.
Utterly hilarious that referees have been saying they're open to taking questions at a press conference post-game, but WR would rather bury their head in the sand and pretend a referee can do no wrong.
Something is really bothering me about last weekend's crock rol by the 2 Scottish players on springbok player. I fail to see how that was a croc roll. The bok player was lifted straight up and pushed back, there was no twisting as bok player was not moved sideways. I feel Scottish player was hard hard done by. What am I missing? Bok supporter .
3 out of 4 World player nominees from South Africa, then it'll almost certainly go to the only non-South African. Congratulations Doris. Because, World Rugby. Politics. Corruption. Northern Hemisphere Bias. Bill Beaumont.
I call BS on the Kerevi red card. Ain’t no clear line of sight when 2 bodies are travelling at that speed! That’s why his head is caught on the wrong side.
Getting a yellow card for an accidental head clash was already waaaay waaaay over the top. Getting a red and now a 3 game suspension is just beyond comprehension. I just can’t believe how badly this has been handled. And now his appeal has been rejected as well it’s a disgrace and an embarrassment. It deserved an In game penalty at the absolute maximum
It's a shame we don't have the proper video for these. Come on world rugby, let people analyse the game online, it doesn't make any difference to the broadcasters
Crowley's soccer dive costing Argentina a win and the phantom neckroll from Tu'ungafasi costing New Zealand a win are obviously two scenarios world rugby doesn't want highlighted on these videos
@@Cpchurch87 nah it really isn't. And if you want to split hairs then it's still four phases after a non foul play transgression that didn't directly lead to Argentina's try meaning the try should've stood. This is play on everyday based on how low both players were...and to be fair diving like this should be a penalty against the acting player and a yellow card. We don't need this in the game
@jlm0175 respectfully, disagree. Nearly every pundit I've seen agrees it was a high shot and a penalty. I agree on the reaction, and yes if you want to revisit the number of phases allowed before you can return to an incident I'm fine with that, as long as it makes sense for the game. But the starting point for this whole thing is head contact to a player. Without that, none of the rest happens
Are rugby players stupid? They make the same mistakes repeatedly. Or is it the inconsistent application of all the nonsensical rules. Rugby is becoming too difficult to understand.
Wow, very tough comments this week! Nigel deserves credit for the generally very clear explanations he gives…..but I agree it would have been good to get his take on the card “incident” and belated TMO intervention that led to the disallowed Argentine try. The referee and assistant on the blindside had excellent position to assess that incident and let them play on….It does seem rather ridiculous that over a half dozen phases later - including a brief change of possession - that incident could be reviewed and the try chalked off. As for the world player of the year nominations, four deserving candidates, but Tim of the Eggchasers RUclips channel led a convincing campaign to raise awareness that no prop forward has ever been nominated and that Ox Nche of South Africa has played brilliantly this year and deserved a nomination, perhaps ahead of his three teammates that made the list. (Well, maybe not ahead of DuToit, but certainly he was worthy of consideration, and Tim’s campaign really drew attention to a longstanding omission of some of the game’s most important players.)
Just goes to prove the 20min red card rule should be supported. The fact so many of us disagree a red card was the correct decision in the first place. It is becoming very tiresome and looks as if nobody is prepared to admit the TMO got it wrong. I find myself waiting for the next head clash in all games I am watching. The disallowed Argentine try was a complete howler.
As much as it is in the right for the red card but not giving any chance of leyway either. I think these rules need to change to know what recklessness is over just and dangerous Head on head clash to me Kerivi view was not reckless or was it a high degree of danger it is contact sport to me that should is how you should be giving the red card on Reckless and High degree of danger. Samething happened in the world cup with Sam Kane again deserve Yellow card it was not reckless and high degree of danger this the where they need to sought it out.
Kerevi was a red, he had clear vision and time to prepare himself to tackle yet was too upright. Yes the Welsh player dipped but correct tackle technique is not headbutting the bloke in the sternum, and there is no obligation for the ball carrier to stay totally upright. The way the whingers carry on you'd think that both Kerevi and the Welsh guy were low enough to bind a scrum.
What a BS of a review Nigel of the past weekends decisions. Very selective & very 'supportive' of your Pay Masters, World Rugby. I am & I'm sure the fans (& players) are losing faith in the system & as a result in the game in general.
I can´t disagree more strongly. Nigel´s career is impecable and he does not need an "envelope" from WR. In fact he has been repeatedly critical of some of the new rules farted out by WR. Think before you smudge a reputation, you XXXXXXX FOOL.
@@altazuma world rugby basically exploiting Nigel Owens standing amongst fans of a fair game to attempt to crush any dissent people have towards the growing inconsistency in officiating. In other words if a decision cost a team a game (generally a SH team) it won't be talked about or will be swept under the rug (like the world cup final)
@@jlm0175 Agreed, They use the same key words the refs use at the time to justify decisions. Like "upright" and "could have been lower" to gaslight the public. I dont see how a moving player can get lower than fully bent at the waist. Its hard to run when your head is at your knees. Eggchaser commented on his channel about some of the comms too. The TMO advising the ref of a clear forward pass instead of alerting the ref to a possible forward pass and letting the ref make up his own mind. The TMO's are out of control ATM.
It's funny how a Moto GP rider doing 250 kph spills, bumps his everything and gets clobbered by his bike and passing bikes, gets up and rides on, if his steed still works. Rugby boys are becoming over paid Nancie's. They should sign an indemnity form and get on with it. Rugby is hypocritical coz there's more head banging going on in rucks and mauls than the occasional head kiss because players don't tackle below the hips. If they want to play in pink tutus and touch rugby, they should just get a real job.
Ox Nche should have been nominated for WPOTY
Nope, not really.
The bench mark is players like os ox durandt who nche would never touch sides with.
Just cos the chubby chaps black doesn't mean he's due anything.
@SteveWarlee he's a better scrummer. And great tackler. He has won many games for SA with his scrumming. He's certainly worth a nomination.
@@johnfrench4137 agree, deserves the nomination and award - travesty against the big guys that no-one has ever been nominated
@@SteveWarlee Os was a great player, and perhaps the bigger picture here is that he wasn't nominated either, illustrating that props are not given enough credit. Ox has dominated every opponent in the scrums this year. He's also been good in the loose- that second test against Ireland was a prime example. Not sure why you felt the need to bring race into it?
@@SteveWarlee "Just cos the chubby chaps black doesn't mean he's due anything." I'll bite, why mention his race?
Ox Nche should have been nominated for world player of the year.
It's frankly a disgrace that no prop has ever been nominated for this reward. Rugby union is a game for all shapes and sizes. Let's give some recognition for the props for once.
Disagree with the welsh player being hit and possibly being knocked out and laying on the ball. If he is out and motionless he needs to be taken for a HIA off the field. Or the penalty needs to reinstated as he was slowing down the play. Effects of knockouts can be delayed up to days. The referee was also confused he was still on the field when they packed the scrum and is going well I should have just left it as a penalty.
There is no initial HIA for a player who is out etc. It's an auto fail and off you go. If the ref said the player was out, it's a brave medical team to say well he is fine. I must assume the doc on review saw he was ok but it's still a bad look.
On the decision I fully agree with you. It's either scum and off he goes as he couldn't move after a head hit or it's a pen for not rolling. Don't really blame the ref. It's a tough situation but also don't think we should be saying that the way it went down was correct.
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100 percent, you just can't have it both ways.
He's either in the wrong or he goes for an HIA for being knocked out.
Very disappointing that there were no props up for ‘IRB Player of the Year’
(Ox Nche deserves to be nominated … as a minimum ! 🤔)
Not really
@@SteveWarleename one tighthead who can handle Ox? Actually don't. If you're deluded enough to not see his effectiveness then you probably think there are props in his league. Let's not waste bandwidth.
@@SteveWarlee Apartheid is over Steve ... where did you tuck tail and emigrate to?
The ball carrier did dip in the kerevi tackle. Quite clearly. 3 match ban? The IRB are a corrupt joke.
Kerevi was way too high to start and didn’t adjust at all. He also has prior form.
@ the ball carrier dipped at the last minute. Had he not no head contact would have been made. At the speed that collision happened what more can a player do? If you are carrying and fall into contact, some responsibility is on you.
And then Wales '9' took out Nick White at a ruck, clearly head on head with no mitigation, & not even a penalty. All we want is CONSISTENCY
The number on kerevis jersey was pointing up at the sky. What more can a tackler do. Should NEVER have been a red.
@@Aesyrbane yeah mate, I just went and rewatched it and the ball carriers knees are almost on the ground and he is bent at the hips. The referee states he is upright, but he is no where near upright. I can swallow a yellow, because kerevi gets his head on the wrong side, but as far as height it’s absolute bollocks. And a 3 match ban? If he played for one of the privileged few teams it wouldn’t even make it to judiciary.
Kerevi braces himself, and the welsh player drops at contact. A split second that he has to get lower. It's actual time, not slow motion. The laws are blaming humans as if they are robots. By that ruling, running at an individual at a distance means a defensive player puts himself at risk of injury by putting his head so low to cop a knee???
Didn't kerevi get a 3 match ban? Sounds like a very dodgey decision to me. Deep bias on display.
No bias. Kerevi came in too high for a start (reckless) and doubled down with poor technique.
Dangerous tackles have to be eliminated, and they will be eliminated, so making an example of one player is essential, the end.
@@peterclark6290 as long as it’s a player in another team being made an example of…🙄
The guy copped a red card and was out of the game, this is just taking it too far.
@@yogafyr303 Play silly games, win silly prizes.
There's a reason why on-paper Rugby super powers like Fiji don't win consistently. They're playing something other than 80 minute, clinically accurate, flat out concentration Rugby. Where staying on the paddock is a fundamental requirement.
Rugby sets the bar very high. In an attempt to refine sport to the difference between a brawl and 'a contest'.
@@peterclark6290 I’d say that’s the role of the red cards. This wasn’t a no arms tackle aiming for the head. So let’s not over blow it.
@@yogafyr303 Your job as a tackler is to (a) tackle and (b) in a way that the referee on the field approves. The image presented is key.
2. Some refs have different interpretations and they are studied by the teams prior to the match and explained to the players. If they are consistent then all goes well. Having an upper arm locked onto the chest kinda breaks all of those. Plus, players develop reputations as to how closely they adhere to the laws. I'd suggest you accept the ref's decision and move on.
Our beautiful game is in a very poor state when fans of over 50 years experience need every refereeing decision during matches explained, its become ridiculous.
You have TMO who can't keep count past 2 or alternatively don't understand the rules of the game as they apply to themselves, and if we can't trust the TMO why do we even bother with having them?
Kerevi is clearly bent at the hips; the Welsh player does dip significantly both at the knees and the hips. I think yellow was fine but it feels like genuine rugby incidents are seeing red more and more often.
Unless your clear and obvious bias comes into play.
@mark130471 My man, I am as far from an Australia supporter as you'll find. I would be equally as annoyed if the roles were reversed. No, I am just aware that ambiguous laws that are applied without clear reasoning are bad for the sport.
@@bobo707007 I don’t think he was calling you biased, I think he was pointing to the apparent bias in the outcomes of these decision for players from different teams
@@googlename5125 If that's the case, then that's my mistake. If this was a rugby game, guess I'd be looking at a red now with these laws.
No talk about the "forward pass" (ENG v RSA)
Because it wasn't... Nigel as great as he is is here to validate what he can argue in the decision favour
@@vkeen_observer Was definitely forward according to the Laws imo. Ref was slightly unsighted as the ballplayer was facing away from him. Needs to master the Willie le Roux trick of rolling the hands backwards but passing forwards lol.
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@@vkeen_observer It was forward by a mile.
What's the point?? Both were forward passes, even the blind fellahs dog barked.
What about the Welsh clearout on Nic White that was a head on head? Clear view of the play there as well as White wasn't moving. Still smacked him in the head.
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Nicely edited shot of the Kerevi tackle to show only the high contact and not the ball carrier LITERALLY ON HIS KNEES. No mitigation though because ball carriers are not responsible at all if they suddenly drop body height to contribute to high contact. Referees and in particular TMOs are absolutely destroying the game.
Ball carriers are expected to dip in to contact, Kerevi had time to see and adjust but didn't. The ball carrier did not suddenly dip either, and the picture shown was obviously post-contact. Ball carrier was not LITERALLY ON HIS KNEES when he went in to the tackle.
Ox needed be nominated for player of the year
All the 4 women nominated deserve to be in the running. Great players.
Interesting to see that the Boks managed to get 3 players into the nominations.
As always Nigel, another great episode.
I love this show. I am thinking that Nigel must be watching games on the weekends with dread as he is going to try explain some of the decisions that have everyone head scratching 😂
Love your show! Why do you think a prop has never been nominated for WPOTY? Ox Nche is obviously deserving, there are a few games that couldn’t have been won without him. Props do all the hard work needed for the other players to perform. Shouldn’t they be recognised?
I was hoping Nigel would comment on the disallowed Springbok try. That pass was not forward (Disclaimer: I am a passionate Springbok supporter so it is probably a biased opinion)
Not suprised he didn't talk more about the Moroni yellow card and the last play in Ireland Argentina, World Rugby don't want to highlight their mistakes...
Pieter-Steph du Toit has been very consistent this year and has stood out in virtually every match. They are all very close contenders for the award and it will be a difficult choice eventually.
PSDT is clearly the best player... he will be remembered as one of the greats of World Rugby.
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Most visibly involved, yes.
With the kerevi decision, the opposition player dipped his head just before they hit. Kerevi could not have anticipated the other player would dip. So this seems biased to me IMO. In addition Wales had exactly the same head contact and they got nothing .. Nothing at all. Kerevi got an additional two weeks suspension.
To me player of the year has got to be Eben. He leaves everything on the field everytime, but my hometown lad Kolbe has got to be very close behind. Fantastic player and will set all kinds of records going forward I am sure
Pieter was miles ahead
Why have props never been nominated?
Ox Nche definitely missed out the nomination for player of the year. Also Van der Flier of Ireland, Oviedo and Mallia of Argentina.
The crocodile roll officiating is still a bit inconsistent… Doris and Ryan double croc rolled Marx and got a yellow, that was more dangerous than the Scottish player’s foul.
The most controversial call in the weekend was the Pumas annulated try because of Moroni's card. Why didn't you talk about that one?
Omg, look, putting it plain a simple for you, it was head on head tackle. Yes it was a penalty but in my view not a yellow but these things happen in a game. And yes Crowley milked it but still a penalty. Ref's are afraid to call these penalty's nowdays so they leave it up to the tmo's which should not happen. WR need to wake up and help out the ref's a bit more
@@colmancooney9213 Excellent answer! If the Ref is afraid of any decision, he should not be Ref, and he should have the balls to disregard the TMO as well. He has overall authority.
@@colmancooney9213 Three minutes, a turnover, and lots of phases from both teams had passed before the incident was called out. Try should not have been disallowed. Apparently however much time and play passes is irrelevant now, as a TMO can go back as long as they like and waste everyone's time. Also, touch judges were right there and deemed it acceptable. A TMO has no say on the pitch, if a ref said play on it's play on. Refs need to grow some balls and tell the TMO to stuff it.
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Can U name a single incident where the ref did that???
Nigel you have coped out....Kerevi in your opinion red or not???? I suspect the majority of watchers (and I'm a kiwi so don't give a hoot about the final score) feel a yellow only as both players where bent kneed.
You haven't even touched on the most controversial card of the whole weekend, Crowley's soccer dive?
That was a shocking decision. Nigel Owens, you were the ref I respected the most. You didn't miss much. Why now, brown cow?
It's very hard to think World Rugby will give an SA player.....discrimination of SA in the world, Rugby amazing
TMO's are garbage, imagine sending off the wrong player number, with all this technology
And your not the brightest bulb in the house babes.
Final RWC NZ v SA. Ball knocked on. Ref couldn't see it, on other side. NZ score try. Tmo calls them out and try cancelled, rightly so. Don't be a right chongololo tech works.
WPOTY will prove World Rugby’s pure disdain for the South African rugby team when Doris will win.
If you'd fail the rugby law exam now then why are we listening to you for whistle watch?! Haha
That's one happy cow 2:24
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Nigel, I was waiting since Friday to get your opinion on Moroni's yellow card... not a word on it????
The quality of refereeing in Rugby is a direct result of the effort put in by all involved. Long may it continue. Recently TV coverage has omitted giving us the names of the assistant referees which I think is in poor taste. They are an important and dare I say it, a valuable part of the game because week after week (I also get NH games and follow them) their combined capacity to manage 30 rampant males, under varying degrees and sources of pressure, put out a great (or not so much occasionally) spectacle. Something needs to be said in the right ears to rectify this.
Not taking off a player after being hit and then lying motionless for a HIA is reprehensible. All the medial staff should all resign. They know how potentially this can go terribly wrong.
I hope for psdt that he wins again but also support cheslin and eben
The explanation of the Kerevi incident is flawed.
First, the claim of a “clear line of sight” is subjective and imposes an assumption about where Kerevi was looking and what he was focusing on in a fast-paced, multifaceted game.
Second, the images displayed are misleading. From other angles not shown, the Welsh player’s knees are about 2 inches from the ground, likely omitted to suit their needs. The turf is also cut out in the image presented, further skewing the context.
Does Nigel literally ever disgaree with the officials?
Not anymore. He’s become part of their PR strategy.
No, he is also bias AF
Something I was very confused about during that Wales game (I was in the crowd) the ref shows his arm out for an advantage the Welsh player chooses to then kick into the 22 because its a free play but then no penalty was given, I asked my friend (who had the commentary in his ear) my question is why would the Welsh player kick if they didn't have advantage (the refs arm was Clearly up) but nothing happened
No OX Nche is a disgrace!
Not even close
Not getting enough attention at home ?
I was hoping you´d address the Moroni event, considering that the game went on for a full minute, until the TMO intervened giving Williams no alternative. At least the very respected Eggchasers, Tim, is very critical of the TMO intreventions, considering the TMO is not as qualified as the Ref. Thanks for you insights!
@@ricardofox1497 this bs call cost Argentina the game and should never have been the case. Same scenario with nz v FRA and the non existent neckroll. I thought the officiating at the rwc 23 couldn't get worse. I was wrong
Eben, Steph or Kolbe deserves to win it. 🇿🇦 Ox should feel aggrieved that he wasn't nominated.
I love the concept of a former referee criticizing cherrypicked decisions by other referees. Way to promote the sport, WR!
Nigel is the GOAT of Refs, and yet with his human share of mistakes. His analysis should be reviewed by WR since nobody has better quality experience than a Ref.
Utterly hilarious that referees have been saying they're open to taking questions at a press conference post-game, but WR would rather bury their head in the sand and pretend a referee can do no wrong.
😂🇿🇦...what is bad..😢..if Rassie resign....Ackerman is the next couch.😂..another problem....😂😂...❤
Ox Nche should have been nominated for WRPOY SA number one. A propriety has never been included. Why not??
Something is really bothering me about last weekend's crock rol by the 2 Scottish players on springbok player. I fail to see how that was a croc roll. The bok player was lifted straight up and pushed back, there was no twisting as bok player was not moved sideways. I feel Scottish player was hard hard done by. What am I missing? Bok supporter .
They twisted him out of the ruck, with one of the players landing on the lower limb. Incredibly dangerous to a player’s career.
Next time Johann, put on your glasses. 🤓
@nicobr00 my name is John, not johan. Take your own advice and put some glasses on.
@johnwagenhauser9835 I wear glasses Johann. I can hook you up.
@nicobr00 no thanks they obviously don't work. Get a refund buddy
3 out of 4 World player nominees from South Africa, then it'll almost certainly go to the only non-South African. Congratulations Doris.
Because, World Rugby. Politics. Corruption. Northern Hemisphere Bias. Bill Beaumont.
Shows picture of Kerevi with his knees bent and head down, gaslights us over him not doing that.
Does World Rugby not have video rights for world rugby ? Be nice to see playback of these incidents .
I call BS on the Kerevi red card. Ain’t no clear line of sight when 2 bodies are travelling at that speed! That’s why his head is caught on the wrong side.
Getting a yellow card for an accidental head clash was already waaaay waaaay over the top. Getting a red and now a 3 game suspension is just beyond comprehension. I just can’t believe how badly this has been handled. And now his appeal has been rejected as well it’s a disgrace and an embarrassment. It deserved an In game penalty at the absolute maximum
Whistle Watch. One of my favourite parts of international rugby season 🙌
It's a shame we don't have the proper video for these. Come on world rugby, let people analyse the game online, it doesn't make any difference to the broadcasters
This must be the most Welsh show ever. Talking rugby with a cow in a barn!!
Crowley's soccer dive costing Argentina a win and the phantom neckroll from Tu'ungafasi costing New Zealand a win are obviously two scenarios world rugby doesn't want highlighted on these videos
His reaction aside, it’s still head contact and a penalty
@@Cpchurch87 nah it really isn't. And if you want to split hairs then it's still four phases after a non foul play transgression that didn't directly lead to Argentina's try meaning the try should've stood. This is play on everyday based on how low both players were...and to be fair diving like this should be a penalty against the acting player and a yellow card. We don't need this in the game
@jlm0175 respectfully, disagree. Nearly every pundit I've seen agrees it was a high shot and a penalty. I agree on the reaction, and yes if you want to revisit the number of phases allowed before you can return to an incident I'm fine with that, as long as it makes sense for the game. But the starting point for this whole thing is head contact to a player. Without that, none of the rest happens
All head contacts should result in HIAs, even fake ones. Perhaps it would encouurage the coaches not to promote them.
Are rugby players stupid? They make the same mistakes repeatedly. Or is it the inconsistent application of all the nonsensical rules. Rugby is becoming too difficult to understand.
Bit of both, but the inconsistency makes it impossible for players to get it right
Wow, very tough comments this week! Nigel deserves credit for the generally very clear explanations he gives…..but I agree it would have been good to get his take on the card “incident” and belated TMO intervention that led to the disallowed Argentine try. The referee and assistant on the blindside had excellent position to assess that incident and let them play on….It does seem rather ridiculous that over a half dozen phases later - including a brief change of possession - that incident could be reviewed and the try chalked off. As for the world player of the year nominations, four deserving candidates, but Tim of the Eggchasers RUclips channel led a convincing campaign to raise awareness that no prop forward has ever been nominated and that Ox Nche of South Africa has played brilliantly this year and deserved a nomination, perhaps ahead of his three teammates that made the list. (Well, maybe not ahead of DuToit, but certainly he was worthy of consideration, and Tim’s campaign really drew attention to a longstanding omission of some of the game’s most important players.)
@@joeritchie2 pretty sure the board nominating players must all have had numbers 9 and higher on their backs. Ox I think is everyone's poty
Was Boks vs England blacked out in Wales?
IRB’s lovechild England lost
Hi... Why are the scrumhalfs not required to feed the ball into the scrum under Hooker's feet anymore? Thanks Zaahir from Cape town South Africa
To protect teams from the Springbok scrum.
Love the grazing cows!!!!
Oooohh Jesus
Insane bias to Wales in todays critique. I will allow it tho, since it is coming from a farmer and not a current world rugby referee. Play on!
Just goes to prove the 20min red card rule should be supported. The fact so many of us disagree a red card was the correct decision in the first place. It is becoming very tiresome and looks as if nobody is prepared to admit the TMO got it wrong. I find myself waiting for the next head clash in all games I am watching. The disallowed Argentine try was a complete howler.
I feel u have become a sellout. A World rugby mouth peace.
As much as it is in the right for the red card but not giving any chance of leyway either. I think these rules need to change to know what recklessness is over just and dangerous Head on head clash to me Kerivi view was not reckless or was it a high degree of danger it is contact sport to me that should is how you should be giving the red card on Reckless and High degree of danger. Samething happened in the world cup with Sam Kane again deserve Yellow card it was not reckless and high degree of danger this the where they need to sought it out.
No.
Kerevi was a red, he had clear vision and time to prepare himself to tackle yet was too upright. Yes the Welsh player dipped but correct tackle technique is not headbutting the bloke in the sternum, and there is no obligation for the ball carrier to stay totally upright. The way the whingers carry on you'd think that both Kerevi and the Welsh guy were low enough to bind a scrum.
What a BS of a review Nigel of the past weekends decisions. Very selective & very 'supportive' of your Pay Masters, World Rugby. I am & I'm sure the fans (& players) are losing faith in the system & as a result in the game in general.
I can´t disagree more strongly. Nigel´s career is impecable and he does not need an "envelope" from WR. In fact he has been repeatedly critical of some of the new rules farted out by WR. Think before you smudge a reputation, you XXXXXXX FOOL.
You used to critique decisions. Now on this channel it sounds like world rugby talking points to justify decisions and deflect criticism.
@@altazuma world rugby basically exploiting Nigel Owens standing amongst fans of a fair game to attempt to crush any dissent people have towards the growing inconsistency in officiating. In other words if a decision cost a team a game (generally a SH team) it won't be talked about or will be swept under the rug (like the world cup final)
@@jlm0175 Agreed, They use the same key words the refs use at the time to justify decisions. Like "upright" and "could have been lower" to gaslight the public. I dont see how a moving player can get lower than fully bent at the waist. Its hard to run when your head is at your knees. Eggchaser commented on his channel about some of the comms too. The TMO advising the ref of a clear forward pass instead of alerting the ref to a possible forward pass and letting the ref make up his own mind. The TMO's are out of control ATM.
Law makers are a joke. I’ll never agree with a penalty & yellow card being given together. Either one or the other. Stupidity in their heads.
8:30 someone should show the other code that. Some laughable sitches down the years.
Ox Nche
Is an English translation available?
It's funny how a Moto GP rider doing 250 kph spills, bumps his everything and gets clobbered by his bike and passing bikes, gets up and rides on, if his steed still works.
Rugby boys are becoming over paid Nancie's.
They should sign an indemnity form and get on with it.
Rugby is hypocritical coz there's more head banging going on in rucks and mauls than the occasional head kiss because players don't tackle below the hips.
If they want to play in pink tutus and touch rugby, they should just get a real job.
Ox missed out