Senna was all about the mental game and pushing his limits, mentally. He was basically the king of getting into the "flow state" or "the zone". Scientifically, the flow state allows the brain to learn things almost at double the efficiency of just being in a normal state of mind. I believe that he was able to master it from using the flow state's super learning capabilities because this mental state allows the brain to naturally "feel" the best way, without the limiting factor of rationalization or using logic. There are certain things ways to drive that are not always comprehendible to us simple humans. Its all based on what felt good to him. Speaking physically, this blipping technique essentially keeps the car in limbo and stops the weight from fully transferring(more weight transfer = less grip).
You know your shit kid. In another video I saw his old mechanics said they used to put a stiffer spring on his throttle so the return would be more direct.
Huge Senna fan and I was always curious if anyone else noticed Senn'a throttle control technique. Turns out a lot of people did. I have watched A LOT of videos of him onboard and really like the V12 Honda onboards of him as you can really hear him work the throttle. However, when the MP4/8 came out, I stopped hear the blipping of the throttle from him. For that matter I don't think he drove the Williams that way either. I guess traction control was just that good. Really enjoyed your videos on this subject. Thank you for them!
@@r1oot They are trash for sure. I can remember watching senna, and hearing a ferrari motor. You would here a flat out running ferrari, but what you were watching was senna going through a chicane.. Its like come on....REALLY?
He did it a little, but it seems like it suited the Honda engine more since it had more torque at the bottom. He did it with the Williams at Brazil. I don't think It would of worked well with the Ferrari since all the power was at the top end.
The mid corner element you are talking about, you are thinking to much into it. It is a simple balancing Move. The suspension will be loaded under brakes. As for the throttle I can't see the throttle position graphs but I would think an f1 car would have a 2 way limited slip and if it was possible to get the throttle to the float position it would gain traction
I use this technique using a controller on sims. X button is throttle so its full on and full off. It really is the only way to manage the car in that situation and it serves me well.
I understood that Senna blipped the throttle to find the limits of grip and the blipping probably also helped rotate the car. Those minute inputs at that frequency and also feeling the limits would have huge mental demands
I think it’s just people over analyze things looking for a deeper meaning to something. Know what I think? Ok I’ll say it anyway... senna ran almost his entire career in racing before t/c or abs were really a thing. What do they teach you in the winter when driving a car with no abs in a skid? Pump the brakes! What does t/c do pulsates the brakes and/or cuts throttle percentage to the drive tires. What was the only way to simulate t/c then? Pulsate the throttle pedal. Instead of a oh crap the tires lost traction now I’ll try to save it... he just always did the human version every time. Furthermore, when you trail brake while turning in or come off the brakes to soon.. what does the car want to? Oversteer.... what’s the only real way to get the car restabilize? Feed it small amounts of throttle. He’s merely balancing or smoothing the cars weight distribution versus the constant front to rear and rear to front weight load being thrown around. Hence you don’t see it much these days because of traction control and abs. It was a different time then it is jumping in a modern F1 car or car period. The kids these days could have sloppy inputs and still run just as fast due to the technology. Senna raced in a time frame where tech was somewhat non existent at a competitive level.
A kart engine won’t flood if peak rpm’s are maintained (i.e. remaining within the powerband) through proper gear choice, assuming we’re discussing a shifter kart.
The link to the podcast with the sim racer you interview does not work anymore. Can you please upload it again, would be extremely appreciatative of it :)
I've been using his technique in real life for a few years (albeit it on amateur karts and oval racing) and I've found it still very effective. It's unorthodox, but it stands out in performance. People are taught the traditional linear smooth inputs (which work) but when you are doing something a bit different it changes relative performance completely.
You look like the kind of guy that would be interested in actual 80's and 90's driving techniques. Not only heel and toe but also double declutch. Search you tube for the two Katayama Suzuka wheel well videos (Rain and Dry) and search google for the info from Mr. Weyland on how to use the gearbox in the 80's and 90's F1 cars (lift on upshift, clutch on downshift)
It's all questionable. Progressive, vs Pumping. I think it's good to switch styles. It does make you turn a little more in the corner, You end up with higher RPM, so you come out quicker out of corners. I think gives you more grip, when you don't have much of it. Might explain his wet driving ability. But if it's not done correct, progressive would of been the better choice.
I started sim racing (yes I know it’s not real) and liked driving the group b rally cars. After a while I found myself doing it . It wasn’t conscious I was just doing it while driving these cars. It was only pointed out to me by my mate when we were doing some stages on his sim.
BTW: How do you know he used it in 93 (e.g.) Adelaide? There are no throttle traces available of that year and hearing on video's it would be difficult considering the engine cutting due to the traction control.
I don't think that the argument the technique is invalid holds up either. I fully remember Ayrton using the stabbing technique during his test drive and development of the NA1 NSX (note the heel toe in loafers xD) ruclips.net/video/8By2AEsGAhU/видео.html. He clearly stabs the throttle here as well.
Your enthousiasm is commendable but IMO real driving died when the clutch/H-pattern shifter was removed and people started braking with their left foot. Google Walter Rohrl pedals driving to see what I mean.
Senna was all about the mental game and pushing his limits, mentally. He was basically the king of getting into the "flow state" or "the zone". Scientifically, the flow state allows the brain to learn things almost at double the efficiency of just being in a normal state of mind. I believe that he was able to master it from using the flow state's super learning capabilities because this mental state allows the brain to naturally "feel" the best way, without the limiting factor of rationalization or using logic. There are certain things ways to drive that are not always comprehendible to us simple humans. Its all based on what felt good to him. Speaking physically, this blipping technique essentially keeps the car in limbo and stops the weight from fully transferring(more weight transfer = less grip).
Senna: The Maestro
You know your shit kid. In another video I saw his old mechanics said they used to put a stiffer spring on his throttle so the return would be more direct.
Huge Senna fan and I was always curious if anyone else noticed Senn'a throttle control technique. Turns out a lot of people did. I have watched A LOT of videos of him onboard and really like the V12 Honda onboards of him as you can really hear him work the throttle. However, when the MP4/8 came out, I stopped hear the blipping of the throttle from him. For that matter I don't think he drove the Williams that way either. I guess traction control was just that good. Really enjoyed your videos on this subject. Thank you for them!
@@r1oot They are trash for sure. I can remember watching senna, and hearing a ferrari motor. You would here a flat out running ferrari, but what you were watching was senna going through a chicane.. Its like come on....REALLY?
He did it a little, but it seems like it suited the Honda engine more since it had more torque at the bottom. He did it with the Williams at Brazil. I don't think It would of worked well with the Ferrari since all the power was at the top end.
@@testdrive7772 totally agree. 100%
The mid corner element you are talking about, you are thinking to much into it. It is a simple balancing Move. The suspension will be loaded under brakes. As for the throttle I can't see the throttle position graphs but I would think an f1 car would have a 2 way limited slip and if it was possible to get the throttle to the float position it would gain traction
I use this technique using a controller on sims. X button is throttle so its full on and full off. It really is the only way to manage the car in that situation and it serves me well.
I understood that Senna blipped the throttle to find the limits of grip and the blipping probably also helped rotate the car. Those minute inputs at that frequency and also feeling the limits would have huge mental demands
I’ve never seen this video!!
I think it’s just people over analyze things looking for a deeper meaning to something.
Know what I think? Ok I’ll say it anyway... senna ran almost his entire career in racing before t/c or abs were really a thing. What do they teach you in the winter when driving a car with no abs in a skid? Pump the brakes!
What does t/c do pulsates the brakes and/or cuts throttle percentage to the drive tires. What was the only way to simulate t/c then? Pulsate the throttle pedal. Instead of a oh crap the tires lost traction now I’ll try to save it... he just always did the human version every time.
Furthermore, when you trail brake while turning in or come off the brakes to soon.. what does the car want to? Oversteer.... what’s the only real way to get the car restabilize? Feed it small amounts of throttle.
He’s merely balancing or smoothing the cars weight distribution versus the constant front to rear and rear to front weight load being thrown around. Hence you don’t see it much these days because of traction control and abs.
It was a different time then it is jumping in a modern F1 car or car period. The kids these days could have sloppy inputs and still run just as fast due to the technology. Senna raced in a time frame where tech was somewhat non existent at a competitive level.
@RR....that was a very good explanation and a clear one...Thanks...
Very good, but since 2007 the cars doesn't have TC or ABS (F1, i know road cars are a little "boring" to drive whith all the asistance 😒)🙂
A kart engine won’t flood if peak rpm’s are maintained (i.e. remaining within the powerband) through proper gear choice, assuming we’re discussing a shifter kart.
The link to the podcast with the sim racer you interview does not work anymore. Can you please upload it again, would be extremely appreciatative of it :)
this was a technique that he developed naturaly with the experience he gain along all his life. senna is a legend "F"
I think he developed this technique in karting to combine high revs with high torque and this was very efficient in F1.
I've been using his technique in real life for a few years (albeit it on amateur karts and oval racing) and I've found it still very effective. It's unorthodox, but it stands out in performance. People are taught the traditional linear smooth inputs (which work) but when you are doing something a bit different it changes relative performance completely.
You look like the kind of guy that would be interested in actual 80's and 90's driving techniques. Not only heel and toe but also double declutch. Search you tube for the two Katayama Suzuka wheel well videos (Rain and Dry) and search google for the info from Mr. Weyland on how to use the gearbox in the 80's and 90's F1 cars (lift on upshift, clutch on downshift)
It's all questionable. Progressive, vs Pumping. I think it's good to switch styles. It does make you turn a little more in the corner, You end up with higher RPM, so you come out quicker out of corners. I think gives you more grip, when you don't have much of it. Might explain his wet driving ability. But if it's not done correct, progressive would of been the better choice.
I started sim racing (yes I know it’s not real) and liked driving the group b rally cars. After a while I found myself doing it . It wasn’t conscious I was just doing it while driving these cars. It was only pointed out to me by my mate when we were doing some stages on his sim.
no one:
literally no one:
japanese guy: HUM....
BTW: How do you know he used it in 93 (e.g.) Adelaide? There are no throttle traces available of that year and hearing on video's it would be difficult considering the engine cutting due to the traction control.
It's still very pronounced in the audio.
is it me or did Colin McRae do the same'ish thing? both floored it completely very rapidly. Saw it on a video on Colin's foot cam.
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I don't think that the argument the technique is invalid holds up either. I fully remember Ayrton using the stabbing technique during his test drive and development of the NA1 NSX (note the heel toe in loafers xD) ruclips.net/video/8By2AEsGAhU/видео.html.
He clearly stabs the throttle here as well.
nobody:
guy in the background: HMNNN HMMMNN HMMNNN HMMMMNNN
Your enthousiasm is commendable but IMO real driving died when the clutch/H-pattern shifter was removed and people started braking with their left foot. Google Walter Rohrl pedals driving to see what I mean.
I wish he had played jazz.
Thanks for murdering my fucking ears.
Good video though.
Too loud?
@@Gtsrssim too quiet at the beginning, so i turn it up, THEN TOO LOUD!