What Rings of Power Does Right...and Wrong!
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Amazon Prime Video's Lord of the Rings show - the most expensive show ever - is finally here! It's been review-bombed, it's been accused of being overly woke, and now it's going to be mercilessly reviewed by a trio of pseudo nerds. Gandalf help us all. (also, at the end of the episode we talk about the unreleased episode we recorded last week)
The next episode will be: Galaxy Quest (1999)!
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Welcome to TJM, the show where reviewing a movie Riley likes just never ever happens
In terms of timeline, as far as I can tell the main storyline is condensing at around ~1700 years or more to be happening at once. From the perspective of Celebrimbor and the Rings, the elves/dwarves/men rings were made ~SA 1500 and the One around ~SA 1600. In the show they've not even begun the tower where they're going to forge them. Then in Numenor Isildur was born ~SA 3200. So that's at least 1700 years right there. Finally, if the Stranger is Gandalf, and that's a very big if, he arrives in Middle Earth around TA 1000. So that would bring it up to events from 2700 years apart happening at the same time potentially.
I just want to see mr. seduce everyone pretty boy Sauron
It _has_ been a while since I saw annihilation, but I don't remember _any_ of this. Was Galadriel the screaming lady bear?
Thank the algorithm for recommending this channel. Had no idea this podcast with these dues from LTT existed. Going through the backlog during my commutes is going to be a treat.
The bad dialogue from Galadriel and Elrond felt weird cause it basically the same line from dune when Ledo told Paul he would still be his son. Also the synced head turn in 26:43 is spot on LOL
Also Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law lol
Galadriel is a super powerful elf because she is an incredible mage not some rambo with a sword. This is one of the biggest differences with her character between the books/movies and the show, it's also probably the root of a lot of the other differences you guys noticed in her character (lack of mystic etc).
There isn't really a concept of an elven mage in LoTR though, her mystical forest/river powers came from her ring Nenya, which hasn't been created yet.
40:00 I will say there is actually something quite clever done here that justifies it somewhat.
This being the swarm of fleeing rats, since rats WILL dive into submerged bodies of water like that however they only tend to do so when they know that its a swimmable distance or if there are air pockets.
A note on the 'Prequel issue'. Better Call Saul just ended as a prequel to one of the most beloved TV shows ever, with largely the same issue of stakes in that you know what happens to most of the main characters by the time of Breaking Bad, although not always the details. But it was fantastic surpassing even BB for some, including myself. So prequels to beloved stories can be done very well, but it's a high degree of difficulty, with the main difference being that RoP has an established cannon for its own story even if they can't actually follow all of it due to rights
I like when chaotic linus (the guy in the center) is in the podcast. He usually has good ideas but his chaotic vibes make you look the other way.
1:05:20 I love the swears that just come out of no where 😂
1:04:25 Now in fairness, its more that "All the ones we see are aligned with the bad guy" for all intents and purposes they seem more just like a mercenary group that happens to be from the east that is working for the bad guy, Akin to the village of human in this Rings of Power series.
It doesn't by extension mean (nor does Tolkien seem to EVER assert) that all the peoples of those lands are evil.
Agreed, anyone saying the Tolkien's works were some kind of made up form of racism (we literally have new forms every other day) has clearly not read any of his books.
I wanted to say something like this! But we moved on fast
Will you guys announce if you decide to release the audio for annihilation on floatplane? Was really looking forward to it (and c'mon, we gotta see the o.g. take of james' slogan, pure gold)
There is no audio! IT NEVER RECORDED IT SUCKS
The Galadriel problem is that she's already thousands of years old (even have an initial scene with her), married, had a daughter, spend years ruling different parts of middle earth
So she's like not at all young
You have Elrond half flirting with her, while he's going to marry her daughter eventually
Speaking off, Elrond literally loses her to Orcs and of course all the wars of the 2nd era and Isuldur not destroying the ring which then again I think indirectly leads to his wife dying so yeah plenty of reason to be darker
Celeborn is completely missing also, while he's been Galadriels husband for forever so eehh
Celebrimbor made the 7 and the 9 kinda together with Anatar/Sauron and Sauron made the 1 alone and that means the 1 introduces 7 and 9, Celebrimbor later completely seperate of Sauron made the 3 elven rings
I think they cant use any of that because they dont have the rights to.
I guess there’s now three unreleased episodes in the TJM canon:
1. American Psycho
2. Joker
3. Annihilation
Unless I’m forgetting any?
The Joker episode is on Floatplane, but not the rest. Though they mentioned Annhilation might make it there.
@@stefaandutil5920 Annhilation is GONE because it never recorded in the first place :(
1:35:20 if lighting hits a tree or something, it explodes. Had bits of fiberglass from a water tower hit my car once after it got struck by lighting right in front of me. Was nuts
The prologue was really cool, because they managed to speak about the first age, for example, the kids with red hair, melkor and the trees, etc.
33:40 To offer a counter argument a character CAN fail and still be a "Mary Sue" rather it is that CAUSE of said failure that matters.
Often in fact a "Mary Sue" character WILL fail, however its always NOT because the "Mary Sue" wasn't correct but rather because EVERYONE ELSE fails to see the same issue and thus doesn't support the Mary Sue, and so her failing is not truly her own but rather that of all those who held her back. However in the end the "Mary sue" always ends up justified.
it totally has disney star wars vibes I'm so glad someone else finally said it!
I LOVE ANNIHILATION AND HAVE BEEN HOPING FOR IT FOR THIS ENTIRE TIME, BIG SADGE
1:37:50 I'd subscribe to Floatplane once and for all to get to see that episode, shitty audio or not!! Was really looking forward to your conversations, as I'd heard Riley be pumped for it!
Yall doing the rest as well? Would love to hear your thoughts!
RIP annihilation, real shame that turned out the way it did, but what can you do
Nitpick, you guys confuse Sauron vs Saruman a lot especially in the beginning.
As someone who's seem the movies a few times and read LotR and Hobbit, but not the appendices, I didn't really have a prequel problem, there's just too many things I don't know that there's enough unknown. (Of course there's some stuff that I already know, but there's a few 1000 years in between I don't know)
Very subtle screw driver plug there. Like it
What if the hobbits and Sauron story just happened before all other arcs? What if the show is not exactly linear?
First time watching TJM! That was fun!
I'm here for it.
Also now that I listened to this all the way through..I enjoyed the chat on the show AND I really enjoyed the takes about diversity in this show and similar shows and works. Great podcast!
Maybe revisit the series once more episodes are out, the depiction of Numenor is sick !
I loved this ep but you guys have goooot to actually do Annihilation at some point. That's one of a few genuine 10/10 movies for me
My fiancé and I actually watched it in preparation for the podcast. I’m sad it didn’t come out but stoked to listen to this one.
@@rchipman94 guys it's so sad. We did the whole ep without realizing it wasn't recording. One of my favorite movies and episodes :(
We give our mini reviews at the end of this one
I took at that the rats going in the water is signalling that the pool will go somewhere
If Halbrand and Galadriel so get involved, it'd be quite odd seeing she and Celeborn have been married for thousands of years at this point. Seems he's been written out though.
Ok after 3 comments I think I need to be done
Halbrand is apparently described as “Galadriel’s love interest”. 🤢
It's already been confirmed by the Halbrand actor that it's a love intrest and it's fucking a vile disgrace to tolkien external-preview.redd.it/5d88_M8r7i_m4557XAqchzq0sXRNLsxaKIeXeld2IsU.png?auto=webp&s=55e2253134bc668f4061ab7d5dbd7e3fd1df5874
Totally agree I don't understand why it's like this she is not young at this point in the second age and has lived for thousands of years she's already married and has a daughter at this point. Her daughter gets married with elrond... Yeah so many problems
Very pretty show. I’m a little bit iffed that they don’t show none of the first age epic battles or any of the cool silmarillion parts. Not a bad watch
I think Morfydd Clark is pretty awesome. Your points about the "my friend" dialogue and the fight against the troll are totally fair though. That's bad writing/directing. I don't need to see her flip off a sword to sell me.
Looking forward to Galaxy Quest podcast!
1:01:22 J. R. R. Tolkien was a Christian and wrote this to give an epic fantasy histroy for where he came from.. The Shire, for instance, is Tolkien's home of England. The idyllic gardens, plentiful taverns and farming lifestyle denote the stereotypical picture of rural England, particularly in the 1930s
I know that we are in the generation of fast content, but reviewing a show with two episodes is next level
Yeah I haven't watched the video yet but I don't get it
Because it's garbage
It's not. You can clearly tell signs that this show is going to be average at best. The writing and the storytelling for these 3 episodes are embarrasing, borring and dull. We are almost halfway through the serie and the story haven't moved forward a single bit.
Over at the Discworld fandom, we were very disappointed that female dwarfs don't rock a beard in this show. Terry Pratchett started his Discworld dwarfs as a parody of Tolkien's (that is, everyone is bearded), and in later books he developed this idea by having some female dwarfs wanting to "come out" and fighting for the rights to be recognised as women, and the cultural revolution this started in the largely conservative dwarf society.
We were quite ready to cheer for the depiction of Tolkien's bearded female dwarfs, but alas...
Another thing is, in a world where ents, elves, humans, wizards, dwarfs, and orcs live together in imperfect harmony, why should there be racism? Speciesism would be more rampant, no? Black and white unite against blue, that kind of stuff.
I'm a very casual LotR fan but even I know Celembribor made the rings
Yall make a lot of comparisons to Galadriel in the trilogy, but I will say that is some 6000 years later, much of which is spent concealing her ring of power from Sauron and keeping what remains of her people safe. It's the same for Elrond. This does change people. I know Thranduil in Mirkwood is deeply affected by the war of the last alliance and the destruction it brought his people.
Loved the episode. Please review the rest of the episodes/complete season as well. We need more LOTR lore lessons from Riley. Maybe a review for the next 3 episodes and then the final 3ish? Sounds good. Thanks y'all.
It's like see a dog, hear a dog. See a cat, hear a cat. You'd be hard pressed to get sound out of either of those every single time you look at them.... thank god.
please please please do a recap video at the end of the season
I dont care about the color of the skin of the actors but in every single case they did a big pause for 5-10 seconds (I didnt actually count) with a zoom-in on the actor's face. essentially going:" Look we have representation, we are such good people am i right??" It took me out of the first episode but after that I didnt mind.
1:09:39 acknowledgement of why this was written and this is why it should not be changed, it isn't the us or canada
1:10:18 exactly
I talked about this in my video but it felt like they didn’t want to show more than 30 seconds of action at a time. Could’ve given us 2-3 min of that sick looking opening battle. Too much exposition and story to set up I guess. I’m not feeling the fallen man story at all
The have been tricking Linus to just watch movies on work hours
This is not lotr, this is not Tolkien....All that glitters is not gold
I would be surprised if the stranger is Gandalf. I think it's well established that Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast came in the Third Age, however the 2 Blue Wizards are less well known. I think we know they were the first to come to Middle Earth, so I would expect him to be one of the Blue Wizards. Id be upset if it was Gandalf, because it's completely unnecessary since they have free reign to create a story for the Blue Wizards.
I don't think it's Saurom because why would he be so pathetic? What purpose would he have to take on such an old form and meteor to the ground in the middle of nowhere. Surely Sauron is already on Middle Earth, and surely he prefers the form of an elf. Lastly, we know he influences Celebrimbor, surely he is already spreading that influence as Anatar. Im down for a plot twist, but he feels like a Wizard, and the Blue Wizards seems like the perfect opportunity to create their own story using cannon, but undeveloped characters
just shy of 27 mins for Riley to mention Star Wars
I understand that you want to ride the hype-wave but wouldn't it make more sense to review after the first season? These were the first episodes of the first season (of 5). So it is no surprise that there's a lot of stage-setting and story-building. Episode 3 was already a lot more active and moving forward. Hopefully you'll give it a fair review at the end of the season, too! Up to now I'll give it 8 and I'm eager to keep watching, despite its flaws.
Hm, no Asian dwarfs and elves? Guess they don't want that very profitable Chinese market...
sweet galaxy quest next!
Why not on Floatplane ?!
isnt the shape of the constellation that F type symbol that represents gandalf
Yeah, if The Witcher had left out the dead baby stuff it would have been better.
the hobbits bit is bad IMO,from the rule to leave behind everyone who cant move its stupid af, the civizilation wont survive like that.ffs he was hurt because he was helping them. he will heal in no time..
The only character I like in this is Sauron. Stupid, sexy Sauron...
Amazon took the established theatre approach to race. Our society looks a certain way and it reflects in the cast. Yes, I really think that if they added new lore and different skin color groups come from this and that, that would be actually stupid. We don't care that the characters have full sets of snow white teath, because that's how the actors look. The same thing goes for skin color. We have actors that have different skin colors so they're in the show.
You can't RANK IT. Amazon have banned all reviews and also banned IMDB reviews if they're below a 6 :D
Plus they are calling everyone a racist for disliking the show
@@jAmzye Even if people are racist it doesn't make the show good :P
i like it for what it is
I had the same thought as David about Galadriel! She does the stoic acting well but it's kinda over done and 1 dimensional.
Speaking of Wheel of Time, it had a tiny tiny budget compared to Rings of Power. Roughly 80m compared to the estimated 1b for RoP. Unfortunate, but likely won't be picked up for a second season because of this. It was also way darker than the books indicate.
Filming for season 2 has already finished
House of dragon when??
Maybe a little violent for these Canadian puppers
Dude Hot D is pretty sick so far.
I knew how I was going to feel about the show from the prologue, the Fellowship prologue was amazing and this one was just meh...and that's exactly how I feel about the show lol
I even went back to watch the OG prologue after finishing the first episode and it just cemented how much better it is. That original prologue is so good that I don't even mind that no action happens for the next like 30minutes
Stranger is totally gandalf, Riley, you know a crapload about those Lord of the rings. I learned a lot. Thanks.
If the stranger turns out to be Gandalf that's not correct at all. Gandalf only came about at the beginning of the third age.
…and he arrived by ship (in a fairly quotable scene with Círdan, who gives him the Ring Narya on his arrival). But they clearly _want_ you to think he might be Gandalf (with the talking to fireflies, which is clearly intended to remind you of the moth business in Jackson). So obviously, that it is almost certainly misdirection.
But of course, _any_ explanation for Meteor Man will be painful.
Riley's discussion on the race issue was atrocious and showed a complete failure to understand what representation means to people, verbatim reducing their motivations to capitalism and an appeal to woke-culture. As a biracial person, let me tell you that you know shit-all about the experience of being non-white. Not even a shred of it. Not even an intellectual understanding of it. Not even a hunch. In light of your ignorance, it would be appreciated if you tempered your urge to share your unfounded opinions. If that is intolerable to you, maybe consider qualifying your opinions with some modesty.
Even better, invite a Black LTT employee to the discussion.
No issues with James or David
This was a great episode, but man is what Riley is saying at 1:09:20 just so completely wrong. The Arthurian legends are literally the basis of modern storytelling and there is no "European mythology". Every European country has a tonne of unique folklore drawing from Germanic, Celtic, Gallaecian, (...) mythologies. You could also count Nordic and Greek mythologies as European.
I also think he broke the guys feet, someone validate me
1:10:48 what opinion on race? Go eat some avocado toast
I agree with Riley on the diversity thing. The thing is that some people like Riley (and myself) care more about artistic integrity and artistic/lore consistency than about maximum profit. This whole diversity thing is a marketing talking point being reframed as a benevolent progressive thing. It basically boils down to marketing knowing that Black people, Asian people, Gay people, etc all have money and the companies want that money. They think they can only get that money by having "representation" which results in a token Black foot to get in the Black door, etc, so to speak. It's not about art or lore. These people will happily kill the artist and butcher the art to profit off of it.
Like David said, "I don't think we should listen to the views of old dead British guy...BUT let's exploit his work for our profit anyway, THAT'S FINE!"
I think its more that there is a large "progressive" group in Hollywood that makes a lot of noice and bad publicity if you do not meet their diversity quota. What they do not understand is, it is inherently racist to define a person by their race.
1:37:13 Annihilation
the one instance they can do something pc which also adheres to canon (all dwarves have beards) and they don't do it
The dullness of the characters is what bothers me the most. Some (or most) of them are flat as a pancake. Also, why do the male elves' hair look like they're from the 60s?
If this wasn't LoTR people would be fine with it. Maybe it's time to check in your baggage before going on the flight.
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Please do release the shitty audio version for Anihilation on Floatplane 🙃
What happened to Annihilation?
They said none of it got recorded.
The perfect example of the mis-casting is the fact that the villages that are being tunnelled under by orcs, in which the majority of the population is white as a ghost are SOUTH of Mordor.
North African or Mediterranean people would be exactly who you would expect to see in these places!
I've always loved the Lord of the Rings trilogy, amazing movies and definitely is a big part for my love of the fantasy genre. Now with the Rings of Power series out, I've never been more invested in the whole universe. Listening to various lore and theory videos, and now listening to the Silmarils. While there's alot of complaining about various things regarding the show, I still really enjoy it. There might be inconsistencies with the movies, books and silmariils but because of the rights they do and don't have that makes sense. Very much enjoying it :D
IT'S BORRRRRRINGGGG!
I respect the idea that this may have been a new take on LoTRs, RoP was nothing more than political propaganda. The fact that none of you would be honest about it or that you honestly enjoyed it, makes me more concerned. RoP was a terrible series, and was evident in the reviews from honest reviewers.
Just here to say it's not fucking Gandalf. Maybe I'm just optimistic but I think the writers have more sense than to do that. Otherwise really enjoying the show especially after the third episode
How do you feel about Halbrand being Galadriel’s love interest?
@@tiestofalljays I'm not sure, I understand why they would fall for each other but it's also very obvious and cliche. But it would be interesting to see them together only for him to eventually be corrupted
Read the books, watched the films, and starts to watch this but it isn't right
If you're doing star trek like things - do Orville
For the first time in all of history I completely agree with everything Riley has said in the podcast.
a billion dollar laundering scheme is was this show is. house of the dragons has half budget but has actual characters, and doesnt waste my time.
another tv show episode, another reason why you guys shouldn't have changed the name from carpool critics.
One thing I haven't seen discussed about the racial stuff in the show is: how is it all these races have transcended racism internally on skin colour, but still hate every human / dwarf / elf they see. Ignoring real racism (i.e. skin colour) in a story that heavily revolves around fantasy races (elves, dwarves, men) is a missed opportunity to hold a mirror up to racism in all its forms, and develop arks around that where characters see the errors of their societies and how racism is holding them back in both skin colour and fantasy race contexts
This is the most confusing part. Lord of the rings and other fantasy series are literally all about races hating each other. They are so xenophobic but turn a blind eye to skin colour? Doesn't make sense.
I am absolutely fine with them showing more colours in LOTR, but there is zero context or explanation as to why they are there, which is what this show is doing. There wouldn't just be a random POC in a village of all white people. Like the Dothraki or Dornish in GOT, it's clear they're not from Westeros, but they actually have background as to where they're from.
They missed a truly Golden opportunity in their depiction of Numenor at this stage with Miriel, Pharazon and Elendil being present. I mean Numenor had really lost the plot by this time in 32nd century Second Age. Elves they left alone both fearing them and the Valar just enough. But the men of Middle Earth they had by this period conquered, colonized, enslaved and plundered. especially along the Southern Coastal regions.
Its a little tough though they are missing about 16 centuries between making the Rings in the first couple Episodes to the this time frame in Numenor. They have skipped over the War of the Ring and have entered into the Downfall and War of the Last Alliance time frame.
where is annihilation? It’s one of my favorite movies and that episode hasn’t come out yet. :(
They said none of it got recorded. So it doesn't exist, unfortunately.
I found it funny how Riley clearly knows a lot about LOTR lore and cares for it, but never read Silmarillion.
He knows the little details of how the word was created and it's different mystical beings and his Numenoreans stuff was on point, but then doesn't know about Feanor, who's arguably most well known character outside of the triology 😂 And the suggestion that dwarves could have Silmarils in the box was also hilarious (it's Mithril btw, in case anyone wonders).
Not trying to diss him or anything, his input on the podcast was great, just found the juxtaposition between his deep knowledge and then completely missing on one of the most well known storylines a bit funny.
Go read the book goddamit, if you enjoy Tolkien lore that much, you will like it 😁
1:10:24 you hit the nail on the head. Having random white people out of context wouldn't work. I'm all for representation of different races, but I'm just tired of decisions made purely for diversity, ignoring the story. You can literally see the diversity department ticking boxes and it takes you out of the story completely
That one Rings of Power subreddit is laughable (I think it’s called Lotr_on_prime). You’d think the show runners are literally Jesus returned based on the comments there haha. Mods deleting things left and right. Kinda nuts. A real echo chamber.
That subreddit is where all the shills and amazon fans are gathered. It's laughable at best
Wonder if in those rights they are allowed to make a video game or two... Amazon's game studios are ramping up and the LOTR games killed.
Why would they when games have already been created that cover much of the second and third age?
@@passionatetechnology8306 Money haha, but also because, could you imagine an MMO around the second age?
The show just looks so American, the elves talk in bad modern Shakespeare & Morfydd Clark is welsh and in the show not using a welsh accent.
Elvish is based on welsh, this was a real chance for the welsh accent to get a shown to the world & amazon made her do bad modern Shakespeare.
It just feels like a show pandering to an American audience & scared to take a risk with any of the accents that may be hard for Americans to understand.
Lenny Henry has a good middle England accent yet he's doing a bad Irish one, he has a good range of middle English accent's he can do well.
The hobbits are based on the culture not to far from where Lenny Henry was born.
PS Game of Thrones was a new IP that did fairly well, the idea that new IP cant get views is wrong. Look at most romance films as a simple example.
As many reasons to like it? Well this should be interesting
What happened to covering Annihilation this week?
"Don't you want more people in the world like LOTR?"
You mean black people can't like movies where there are only white people? LOL
I am convinced we’ve gotten to the point where people are trying so hard not to be racist that they themselves are perpetuating racism.