3D Mouse Review | 3D Connexion SpaceMouse Overview
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2019
- A 3D Connexion SpaceMouse 3D mouse can provide more control over your camera while 3D modeling. While it's not something I use actively while modeling, I love using it to explore my model and find perspectives not easily obtained using a traditional mouse.
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Thanks Matt. Very comprehensive walk-thru with nuances I would not have even thought to ask. My middle scroll finger thanks you as well, I'm heading over to purchase it now!
This works great in Google Earth. You can fly around like you are in an airplane. Mt. Everest looks great up close. Go into view, options, navigation, enable controller to get the mouse to work.
Great review. Big thanks for the honest and details covering of downsides and positive sides of using one.
Best review I've come across so far. Useful tips. I ordered one just yesterday :)
Finally! A RUclips tutorial even I can follow! I'm a highly functional (retired lawyer) autistic who needs very clear explanations. If you leave out a single detail or step, I get lost imagining all the possible details or steps that might fit in there. I find most RUclips tutorials impossible to follow. This tutorial walked me right through all the baby-steps I need to make sense of my new 3D mouse. Thank you so-much Matt.
Just bought one, very helpful video, thanks!
This is definitely the best 3d mouse review I've watched! I've only been using one for about 5 months and I really like it. I use a logitech G602 gaming mouse and have the 8 buttons on that set up for my main keyboard commands. Still a lot of switching between 3d mouse and keyboard though as I do use it as my primary camera controls while modeling. The enterprise is probably in my future.
Great Review, Matt. I cannot imagine modeling without my SpaceMouse. To address the keyboard shortcut issue I use Dragon Naturally Speaking for around eighty percent of SketchUp commands.
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis. It was really helpful!
FINALLY, a decent thorough review os the space navigator. Matt, next up...setting custom features using the setup/preferences control panel for using it in other software programs. More details than the quick PDF navigation example you showed here.
Really comprehensive and useful summary. Thanks so much!
Glad you liked it
I was tempted for years. Finally bought one. Found I didn't need it for modeling purposes, but I agree it's neat when exploring 3d models. I gave mine away too...
I've used one of these for years and find it indispensable. I first tried it because I was getting such bad mouse elbow pain while modeling my right arm. This helped divide up the load and I've never gone back.
A couple of observations, though
With large models it can get erratic and exhibits a lag when first starting to orbit around. With the same model, this doesn't occur with the typical SU orbit or pan tool. I have found that holding down the middle mouse button (orbit) seems to help with the reaction of the space mouse, making it work a little smoother. Once I do get the SM orbiting fine, it works fine until the next time I pause to model.
Another issue I've noticed, and this all seems to be in the driver software, is that occasionally it will simply stop behaving predictably. One moment it's working fine - orbiting, panning, zooming - and the next I just can't seem to get it to orbit or move the camera as I intend. Generally, I'll unplug then plug back in the SM (I use a cordless one but keep it plugged in to the USB port) and it returns to expected behavior. I do have the latest driver, so not sure how or why this occurs.
Still, a quality made product that is an integral part of my workflow.
You have basically sold me on a 3d mouse, seems like a great help for 3d navigation
To get past the keyboard shortcut problems with the Spacemouse Pro is using a Logitech G600 12 button programmable mouse. It actually allows you to set up your number pad with operators on the first 12, then use the pinky shift key to have 12 more shortcuts available on the same keys. Plus the mouse has 3 storage settings to allow you to program 24 shortcuts and switch between them with a different key near the scroll wheel, and they are color coded on the top and side buttons to show you which preset you're in. It works wonders in this setup.
I got one a decade ago and I always use it when modeling. I don't mind moving my hand from the space mouse (or the regular mouse) to the keyboard for shortcuts. Personally I think this is a must have for 3D modeling. Just play with the settings to find something that feels intuitive and then use it for a week to get used to it and you will not want to go back to the old ways.
Are there any alternatives?
Thanks for the tips! Great analogy on inverting the look on video games. I have to do the same thing!
We are a rare breed, us joystick inverters :)
Thank you for showing this. I really need to catchup...
very helpful honest review thank you very much
I set the buttons to spacebar and ESC to limit the back and forth movement, also I purchased a mouse with 4 thumb buttons and programmed them to hide rest of model and modifier keys, it took a while but it is a natural part of my modeling now.
I was a Structural designer that used SolidWorks and all the designers & engineers got the enterprise ( mac daddy ) version puck. Almost nobody used theirs except me because i thought 3d spatial or whatever 3D in my head. I'd make people dizzy watching my monitor zooming in and out, flipping, rotating etc.. If you do anything 3D related you need one of these. The mac daddy one has a ton of programmable shortcut buttons so you barely need to move your hands. I worked 10/12 hour days for weeks and if not for this type of 3D puck mouse and a ergonomic keypad id have massive carpal tunnel. I doubt anyone read this far.. this mouse is worth every penny i hope you get one you will never regret it.
There is also the option of getting a gaming mouse with 12 or so programmable buttons. Having the buttons on the mouse (where we are changing the tools actually) leaves the 3D mouse just for the flyin cam.
Good review!
Close up shots especially nice touch.
Hi MasterSketchUp I have one since 2015 but since the last Mac upgrade (Catalina) It doesn´t work I already download the latest drives but I can´t use. Do you have any recommendation? Thank you for your video and for your help!
were I was these years.. why people not know about this amazing piece of tech
Excellent analysis - including your personal preference for keyboard shortcuts, which I use extensively. I would appreciate a followup video using the "enterprise" when you get more comfortable. Thank you Matt!
Great Review! Thanks so much. I'm going to purchase one of these and maybe the Logitech's M705. As I have been working in Sketchup with the Apple Magic Mouse for about 2 years now.
Glad you explained all navigation possibilities. IMHO Object camera mode is the best fit for SketchUp where you orbit around the point at the model but fly around the model like a drone/helicopter.
This is a great product for reviewing work, if you need to split your self between the puck and the keyboard the enterprise device helps (though it has its own issues).
If you are two people at a workstation, this is a great tool as well.
Very good overview, five stars of five possible...
Hey Matt, didn’t realize you had a channel; I’m now subscribed. Love your book with Nick...bought 2! Now to use that system for my next project. Question: I have a new Spacemouse with my iMac and SketchUp Pro. I’m starting to love it. I can’t get it to pan and zoom inside Layout. Any settings suggestions?
I also just realized, there is a checkbox in the 3D Connexion properties to uncheck "Lock Horizon". That will let you tilt the camera and override the default SketchUp behavior, in certain navigation modes.
tried that and quickly changed it back...my tiny brain couldn't handle it, haha
Yeah, I guess I should've also said "I don't recommend it", lol. Just didn't want to make the impression that the 3D connexion was limited in that respect.
This thing is awesome for Spaceship simulators.
Really good video
Good video and review. Do you know or have you used this mouse and its features on Revit? 3D Max? Corona Render? Thanks
@MasterSketchUp Are there any skidding differences between the SpaceMouse Compact and the Wireless? The Wireless looks slightly larger, maybe that makes a difference in terms of staying still?
Great review Matt. This is the review I wanted to see a couple years ago when I was close to purchasing one of these. Still... now having seen it, I feel I would've stuck with my decision to forego the 3D mouse. Although the Enterprise 3D mouse you last got could be a workable solution, I think the ultimate solution lies in a right hand 3D mouse that with a button click switching you between 3D and working like a trackball mouse, where you move the cursor via the puck.
So like a 3D mouse and 2D mouse built into one? That would be cool.
@@Mastersketchup imagine it being an actual 2d mouse that has that puck mounted on top :D
great review, I just bought one and I cant use it on sketchup go, what version of sketch up do you have?
Good material - thank you! - Todays the compact version costs around 180$ :)
How can I leave the blue light always on in the Wireless version? Is this posible?
I just found out about these while looking at the Logitech Cyberman 2 which was a 6DOF puck game controller that was developed in association with NASA for the robot arms on the space shuttles. The home versions came with one of the "Decent" games, a 6DOF combat sim. Could you demonstrate how well it works in 6DOF games like the Descent Series, Orverload, or Everspace? Most 6DOF games are space combat flight sims.
Does it work with the free sketchup in the browser?
I look for that for years !
I even bought a 4D joystick to make one myself with on an Arduino platform but... Too lazy to do it finally.
Does it work with a DAW like Cubase, Logic Pro, Pro tools, Studio ONE, etc. ?
actually thinking about using this in games like star citizen, to fine control spaceship movement at landing and such, it would basically erase tonns of keybinds (no i might also use it to 3d model come down, im not just a gamer, got work to do aswell)
Great review!. I'm a SketchUp user I own a space mouse and I rearly use it when modeling. I do however when presenting the model to a client because of the smooth navigation. I've considered purchasing a SpaceMouse Enterprise, however I think it has a major flaw. If the whole purpose of the device is to avoid having to go back an forth between the navigator and a keyboard to activate commands via shortcuts, how do you input a dimension or angle of rotation or anything that requires typing numbers from the device? Or put it in another way, what is the point of having one device to trigger a command by pressing a button and having to move your hand to another device (the keyboard) to type the numbers require for the specific command. So unless I'm missing something this is not really useful.
I might have to get one
I've always felt like I'm fighting the camera in my cad programs
Is it possible to use this in combination with a regular mouse?
Hello! Good Morning, this mouse can to work only sketch up or others 3d software?
you could still use the 3d mouse and a set the shortcuts on a streamdeck for 3d modeling
Can you please let me know if I can use it instead of a normal mouse too? Like click and move it and well, scroll up and down and left and right.
Nice, can I rotate a object in 3DS max ?
Looking to implement this type of controller in a digital audio software. Is it fully programmable as a controller in 3rd party software?
I disregarded 3D mice for years.
I didn't even really understand what they did. Subconsciously I put them in the same category as tilted ergo-mice and trackball-mice. But then I got to try a real 3D mouse at a professional office and it was amazing. The freedom I had at my fingertips felt next-fucking-level, and it took me almost no time at all to get it (probably because I'm already very used to doing weird shit in 3D and VR), I spent a solid first half hour playing with it, much of that being at the most sensitive settings flinging the model around barely in control.
I settled on about 60-70% sensitivity and it's so damn fast and smooth now.
I can look at whatever part of the model I want with a minute little suggestion. I sometimes move it a little wrong and have to readjust, but it's not a problem. I wouldn't wanna go down in sensitivity and when I have to use a mouse for CAD on another setup, I really dislike it. Feels like such a downgrade.
I do think 3D Connexion needs competition though, I wish patents didn't last so long. Maybe granting licensing should not be voluntary, and any product utilizing a patent should pay some fixed rate around 10-5% to the patent holders, divided if among multiple patent holders.
Anyways, if anyone wants to check out the patent I think I found it here: patents.google.com/patent/USD728571S1/en
Anticipated expiration is 2029-05-05
I recommend using Logitech's M705 for the normal pointing device while modelling. The wheel lets you hyper zoom with a flick of the finger. You can also press a button to return to click-wheel action for non-modelling applications.
omg I love the M705! I've got two of them. The only reason I switched to the CadMouse is because of the dedicated middle mouse button. But other than that, I prefer the M705.
Every single logitech mouse I've bought developed double (or tripple or worse) click issue within first 5 months. I'm never buying their overpriced products again.
Awesome video! at 10:52 you are showing a preference window with an advanced settings button. I am on a MacBook Pro and don't see that option. I wanted to try the camera control options as I find the stock set up a bit wonky. any help is appreciated
Still no luck with advanced settings on MacOS? I plan to purchase one and from what I've searched MacOS support seems limited...
Hi Mastersketchout and everyone, may I know the currently Firmware of SpaceMouse wireless? I don't is mine is up to date
do we need to install driver for sketch up 2019 or 2020??
Navigation modes is missing from my advanced settings
I'm getting one.
I hardly ever use the keyboard, tho. I only use it for esc., ctrl. & shift, to type in measurements and use the arrow keys.
So. Do you think I can get by with just the Pro?
I'm fine with wires.
Well the regular spacemouse has some buttons on the side too that you can assign or use to bring up a custom menu. So that might just fine for what you need.
I want to try this as an input to a 4D game
Can you use the 3D mouse for FPS?
for CAD usage it realy depend of your workflow, for a digital scultpting and painting in Zbrush or even texture artist in Susbstance Painter it's realy usefull, because i need constantly to change the point of view for adding and substracting detail on my object, and using a regular mouse even with my screen tablette it's realy a pain in the ass, so i realy need something like that.
Where can I find help to install new driver 10.7.4 and unistall 10.5.13 driver? The product is great but their support is horrible.
I guess you can use it for browsing and clicking on buttons? No? like a regular mouse?
I can't help but wonder how well the little space mouse would work in the middle of a split keyboard. Full disclosure: I own neither, although I'd like to try out both! Further disclosure: it's my understanding that split keyboards take some getting used to, too.
just placed 3 bids on ebay for the space mouse pro :D
Remember the Space Orb! I have a NIB one still but how to get to work with Win10
Update on the new mouse?!
@ 4:05 finally got my answer ONLY CONTROLS CAMERA ..GOT IT THANK YOU!!! all you need to know.. moving on!!
Can you use this as a normal mouse on Samsung Tablet?
I am using space mouse impact. but this Mouse is not working Citrix workspace can anyone help on this
Why Sketchup and not Solidworks or Fusion 360 ?
I regularly have difficulty zooming in on a particular point in my models. The mouse scroll will go past the point and when I scroll back it will take me far away from my model. Very aggravating, will this device help me be more precise scrolling to a particular point and help me fix this problem?
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. They actually improved on that behavior in a recent version of SketchUp. But yeah, the 3D mouse definitely helps with that sort of thing.
Why can they make it a regular mouse too?
Hi Matt... excuse me... do you know why I can't orbit on sketch up with my 3D conexion spacemouse? ... it only zoom in and zoom out...I hope you can help me
Hi Mario, when you have SketchUp open, bring up the 3D Connexion properties and click the advanced settings button. From there you can configure the mouse to the program.
You need to install the driver. Hope you solved the problem.
something to program those buttons would be maybe:; extrude an object and may be to size a object.? At least that is what I would do. possibilities are endless.
Pity it's so expensive. I'd love to try one or two of them as a gaming mouse in a space sim, but the niche use doesn't justify the price for me.
Can you use the knob to actually transform an object in Maya or Max?
Yeah, the 3D mouse is compatible with all sorts of 3D software
@@Mastersketchup yes i know it works for camera navigation but i mean actually transforming geometry like (Scale, Transform, Rotate)
Thank you very much!
Do you know what are the differences between the "3D Connexion SpaceMouse" and the "3D Connexion SpaceNavigator"?
The SpaceNavigator is the old version of the USB wired 3D mouse. The name "SpaceMouse" refers to their entire 3D mouse product line. The SpaceNavigator was replaced by the SpaceMouse Compact.
@@Mastersketchup Thank you for your answer.
And what does the SpaceMouse Compact better than the SpaceNavigator?
e.g. better accuracy, ...?
@@photelegy buttons have been improved. No difference in precision.
sweet mouse but I'm sweatin that house!!!
Será que já está funcionando no windows 11?
Can this not fully replace a normal mouse please
Hi ! Please could you tell me how you get to settings ? The only thing I see is property ...!
The 3D connexion properties lies in the task bar. (I think it's actually called Properties, not settings. I apologize if I used the wrong terminology). You want to open SketchUp first, because the properties will change depending upon which window is active. From there, open the 3D Connexion properties from the task bar, and click on Advanced Settings.
@@Mastersketchup HI again ! It looks like I do not have the advance settings. I did like you said. Opens ketchup first, then open the 3D connexion wheel, and when to 3D connexion home, the properties. There I, Device, axes, buttons, radial menu, macros, tools. And nowhere it says advance settings... And it says that I have the latest version... Help, because I also do not like the way it''s reacting.
imagine a trackball in the top of the mouse. That would be interesting
So it does a bit like like ctrl+` very intresting.
BUGS: very often the center of rotation does not appear on the desired part of the model, it can be located outside the screen. Latest drivers installed
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might be worth holding onto one in case genetics/bionics gets advanced enough for humans to have a second pair of arms and hands
Just picked one up from the Dell website for £15
I think one of the best ways to use it - keyframing camera motion as if it was steadycam or drone. It looks and sounds like an extremely cool thing, but you can't get away from typing numbers or using shortcuts so yeah. Altho you probably could get used to it. It could give a totally different perspective on your model if you just rotate and move around it like that.
However blender does have a walk/fly mode for the camera so it makes this mouse almost useless imho. That mode feels literally like playing a game. WASD to move and mouse to rotate and zoom. The only downside is wheel spinning in steps meaning no smooth zooming in. But you can keyframe it on top of the "recorded" camera motion...
I'd love to check it in games tho. Just to see what kind of experience would that be :D
where are these "advanced settings" for sketchup ("helicopter mode" ect...) I don't have an "advanced" in my 3DConnexion ?
In your taskbar tray, open up the 3D Connexion properties. The properties will change depending on which window you last had active. So make sure you bring SketchUp into focus, then go back to the properties panel. From there, you should see a button for Advanced Settings.
can we use it for revit?
Yeah! And a lot more programs too
Seems like a cool concept, but at $120, it seems unnecessary, especially if you are already accustomed to the keyboard commands. If they made more of a starter one ($30-$50) i would be more likely to try it.
It saves a lot of time when working in SketchUp. It improves the ergonomics too.
Space mouse no longer works with SketchUp on iMac Big Sur
need to create a spacemouse you can control with your mouth.... or the tilt of the head..
Be it long hours with CATIA, Alias or Rhino...having a 3D mouse is indispensable to me.
I mess with rhino just about Daily. Is it really that great? Sorry for the late response
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If possible; try it before buying one. Takes time to get comfortable with and it's not for everyone.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 hey man thank you so much for the response. I'll try and see if some of my studio mates or working connections have one already!
não consigo trabalhar sem nouse 3D space navigator,
alguém sabe informar se é possível trabalhar no windows 10 pro, com scketchup 8? já fui em todas configurações e o mouse space, não funciona no 8, preciso de ajuda.
observação - nos testes do mouse funciona perfeitamente. no scketchup 15.
Boa noite amigo, estou querendo comprar um, eu uso 3ds max, sabe me dizer se consigo rotacionar objetos tb ?
@@vanfeitosa bom dia, uso ele a 05 anos no scketchup, roda todos os objetos por aqui, 3ds max, não posso lhe afirmar, se o fabricante falar que é compatível, é tranquilo. Trabalho no setor de rochas ornamentais, meus desenhos de corte faço tudo com ajuda dele, e apresentação ao cliente, é muito simples e ajuda muito, vale cada centavo, só consigo fazer 3d com ele, só no mouse não rola mais. (32) 3741 1045
@@ricardorocha4468 Que massa Ricardo, o seu é o wireless ? Sou arquiteto, uso muito o autoCAD e o 3ds max, sempre preciso rotacionar algum objeto na cena, se ele fizer isso vai ser uma mao na roda pra mim tb, o workflow melhora bastante, o problema é o valor dele aqui no Brasil, ( custa mais de 2 mil), ja nos USA ele custa 140 dolares, vou comprar um tb, realmente ouço muita gente falar muito bem dele, mas quero ver como ele funciona dentro do 3dds max, pois é onde passo muito tempo modelando meus projetos !
Abs e obrigado pelo help ai !
@@vanfeitosa então, na época fiquei com receio de ficar falhando, comprei com fio, achei mais garantido, e não me arrependo, porque fica estacionado na minha mesa, e me atende muito bem, além de ficar sempre conectado, ele fica quase 14 horas ligado direto, nunca me deu problema, além de uma conexão uma vez só, mas era windows, mas resolvi, ele é bem pesado, é só deixar em cima da mesa e tchau, depois que vc acostumar em torno de uns 15 dias, nunca mais vai querer desenhar sem ele. (ops. como subiu hein, paguei 600,00 no meu trazendo de fora) mas também dólar disparou né.) vc comprando preserva a caixa dele, vai precisar para transporta lo.
@@vanfeitosa veja bem, no sket, ele roda a cena inteira, posso te relatar o seguinte, se vc tiver somente 01 objeto sozinho, vai rodar aquele objeto, se tiver 20 objetos na cena, rodarão os 20 todos juntos, no sket.
To bad they take forever to update drivers. Mac OS Catalina now it’s just a paperweight.
Puts calipers on it to measure the exact diameter... "Yeah it's about three inches"
What about having the 3D mouse besides your 2D mouse. That way you can navigate with the 3D and model with the 2D. Try it.
I have tried that. The problem is the 3D mouse can't control the cursor, therefore it can't control any of your tools. So you really need to have a hand on the 2D mouse in order to do anything in SketchUp. That's why I use the 3D mouse with the left hand, so I can still use the 2D mouse for the right hand.
@@Mastersketchup you would have to keep switching mouses if you were to use both of them and have them besides eachother, if inly there was a 3D mouse with a touchpad attached to it.
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This is so intersting..but the price is so expensive for me student architecture 🙏😩😭😭😭😢🤣
Bought it and tried it for 2 weeks - not useful when working with big models