Agreed, we’ve had this conversation on discord a handful of times. Gotland is what I think would be an initial strike point in a move outwards through the Baltic.
I was on the south scania 72nd as a conscript for a year. It is arguably very important for swedens defence as a air landing would most likely be done in that area (big open fields everywhere, perfect for that kind of attack)
An interesting fact about the Swedish Leopard 2 "Improved" A5 SE (stridsvagn 122). It's the only Leopard in the world with additional armor added to the turret.
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Some variants of the 2A7 I believe also uses its armour package for protection in urban warfare. Also it's not a 2A5. It was developed concurrently with the 2A5 from the same vehicle, the Leopard 2 Improved, essentially an upgraded 2A4. The 2A5 didn't exist yet when the 122 was being made.
We did add 3 tons of armor to our Leo2s when we modified them. The Germans thought it was such a good idea they copied it. So no... The Strv122 is not the only Leo2 with lots of armor on the turret
@@scruffy7760 Yes and no. For the regular version I believe they only added the armour to the hull. I think only some lesser used versions have the actual roof armour.
I saw that you got pretty impressed by the BV410. You should check out Matsimus video on the BVS10 (one version of this vehicle), it's a great video. I recommended this video before and you said you would do it, but maybe you forgot or had a bunch of other videos to go through. But please do that one Rayce! You will be impressed of this vehicle, it's insane when it comes to mobility! We have also exported a lot of these tracked vehicels around the world. A lot of fire departments, police, military, mountain rescuers, etc. use them.
I definitely will. I have a oh, 200(ish) video recommended list but I try to fit them in next to each other so I’m not jumping subjects every day so I’ll try to fit in here with this stuff.
I prefer the KSP58 over the ksp90 mainly couse a KSP58 with the gas regulator turned down low is amongst the most manly things there is to shot. When i did my conscription i dreaded the GRG, couse not only did you have to hump around the bush with a solid metal tube wighing a literal ton strapped to your back, you had to hump your main rifle and ammo as well. So my preferance as an old Pioner is AK5 with At4 at my back.
The downside is cannons and ammunition takes space. That means less space for crew and command equipment most likely. That's probably part of the reason they weren't armed with one earlier. The other reason is probably cost.
Yeah, the decision to reinforce the entirety of our armed forces was a direct response to 2014 Crimea and the overall deteriorated state of security in the region that followed.
Mounted combat was a big part of the doctrine even during the Cold War. If you look at the KP car and PBV301 and PBV302, fighting from the vehicle was always part of the equation. There have since the 60s been two main ways to attack with Armored Infantry in Swedish doctrine. Dismounted, with vehicles providing support. This could include tanks being right next to the troops. Or, mounted, driving up to and even into the enemy position, with the option to keep fighting mounted to remain highly mobile, or, to dismount and push into point blank range.
@@petter5721 As they say: Location, location, location. There is very little room to move about in the Baltic sea for an actual aircraft carrier anyway. Too constricted.
11:10 Pretty much. They're there as command units to organize other forces and aren't really supposed to be direct combat units. The machine gun is primarily for self-defence. Adding a cannon is an extra force multiplier though and means you can do more with less when the available manpower is limited. 12:00 That and the terrain. Northern Sweden has a lot more rough terrain. It's heavily forested and infrastructure and roads are more sparse and so there's a greater need to go off-road where wheeled vehicles and trucks won't do as well. Rivers aren't exactly uncommon either and not all bridges will be able to support the weight of heavy vehicles. 19:44 I can't actually speak from personal experience, but I'd imagine the 90 would be preferred for general carry because of the lighter weight and the greater ease with which you can quickly respond to a threat with it. The 58 would probably be preferred for longer and more static engagements where the greater effective range and larger volume of fire it allows for is more important. The MAG is a heavy, heavy gun, but it's also incredibly reliable and just keeps going and going. Not so fun to carry, but very effective once shit hits the fan. 24:15 The fighting mounted is probably mostly for putting down defensive suppressive fire. As he mentions the accuracy of fire when done this way is questionable, however fire doesn't necessarily need to be accurate for suppression. It still accomplishes its goal of encouraging infantry to keep their head down instead of returning fire and in that way successfully helps protect the mounted vehicle. They would probably dismount later on to actually neutralize the threat more properly. EDIT: Probably doesn't hurt the situational awareness of the vehicle to have a couple more sets of eyes and ears keeping watch in the back of the vehicle either. Hard to see much when you're buttoned up inside an armoured compartment.
Mounted combat was a big part of the doctrine even during the Cold War. If you look at the KP car (Kp-bil) and PBV301 and PBV302, fighting from the vehicle was always part of the equation. There have since the 60s been two main ways to attack with Armored Infantry in Swedish doctrine. Dismounted, with vehicles providing support. This could include tanks being right next to the troops. Or, mounted, driving up to and even into the enemy position, with the option to keep fighting mounted to remain highly mobile, or, to dismount and push into point blank range. The idea is you hit the enemy with mortars, possibly even HE from tanks, while the IFV or APC charges. The shell-shocked enemy realizes armored vehicles are crashing into them and angry riflemen are shooting at them. Some armored infantry might dismount to clear out trenches or secure a ridge etc, while those mounted can still maneuver and be protected from rifles and machineguns, quickly repositioning as needed to counter threats or exploit a situation.
Like mention earlier the hovercraft in the beginning is a Russian Zubr-class LCAC….. Gives me flashbacks was in the north at 191./192. Mechanized Bns. At Norrbotten Armoured Battalion P 5 in the 90´s when its was Norrbotten Regiment with Norrbotten Armoured Battalion I19/P5 and had the strv(Stridsvagn) 103C aka S-tank at 1:11 and Pbv(Pansarbandvagn) 302 (Armored track vehicle 302, infantry fighting vehicle) at 22:01.
Yep as others have said,landing was a large amphibious assault hovercraft. The US has some enormous ones,European navies to a lesser degree, and the benefit is speed and ability to hover from water into land and unload multiple tanks/vehicles alongside troops,mobile artillery really anything you can think of. 😀
Even in ww2 so was there not only the main medium tanks we hear about, but there was also a lot more light tanks around then medium ones making things not that different to today with IFV filling the role of Light Tanks.
U.S. Marines ride in Swedish Navy Hovercraft 8100, Berga Naval Base, Sweden ruclips.net/video/7BPuTL2GF8M/видео.html Important distinction: This is an UK hovercraft, not a Swedish made one.
I know u joked about denmark being frisky, was long time ago we had any real fights with them though we have been at war with Denmark more than 22 times. This is not included viking and earliar this is afterthe country became Sweden. But Gotland island have always been incredible strategic in the baltic sea. When i did my military service in the navy we did a week long Excercise around Gotland, during really bad weather. The storm was up to 40 meters per second. horrible condition but im sure was what the command wanted, makes the drills more warlike.
one thing they got wrong is that the AK4c is atm mostly used by the homeguard the "regular" military is using the AK5c and d but they are doing joint testing with finland to get a new joint weapon system that they have said they "plan" to put in the the field around 2025 and that system will replace the AK4 and 5 in theory.
Yes! Putin has always been interested in Gotland. Beautiful island with a lot of history and where it’s placed… perfect for him. Well in his opinion. 😳
Depending on what the objective is I think it’s one of the most strategically important spots that would have to be taken early on. A move towards Sweden couldn’t let Gotland stand, it either has to be taken or removed for all intents and purposes.
@@rayceofhistory Russia really doesn't have the amphibious capability to land a major force under fire tbh. Unless they've completely wiped out our air force ahead of time it would be a massacre. Even if they have done that the Gotlands, naval mines and Gungnirs would take a toll on any naval assets. Whatever survives that gets to play with the tanks, IFVs, ATGMs, ect.
Asout the CV 90 hatches. do you think the anemy that will be shoot at from thouse hatches will laugh and stand up be cause you can aim more bad from a moving vehicle? I think after my 27 years in Swedich army that if some one shot at me i will crawl down in the trench as deep i can, i dosent matter if it is a soldier on the ground or in the vehicle that shoot on you, it is led in the air either.
I would guess, Sweden don't build bridges in general, larger rivers in the North is to wide and to fast flowing for pontoon bridges to be effective. If not, swim over is better. So probably don't have any spare bridge equipment for Ukraine, because we don't use them a lot.
[EIDT: WRONG guess!] Doing the landing in the beginning must be a "Griffon Hoverwork 2000TD" which Sweden apparently have three(?) News to me however...
@@assarstromblad3280 I'm totally wrong. The Griffton (Swedish designation "Svävare 2000") can take one armored vehicle but it is a tiny two engine thing compared to the one in the intro. That is some USSR/Russia or maybe US piece? 🙂
Maybe it was that I just caught a glimpse of it, but it looked way bigger than any hovercraft I’d ever seen. It looked like a hovercraft, just a massive one.
It wasnt so smart to give the leadership CV90 without a bofors , they stand out from everyone else , which makes it easier for any opponent to focus fire on the leadership itself.
Mission dictates, MOUT= Military Operation in Urban terrain then I would go with a light machine gun like the KSP90 (the FN Minimi) instead of the KSP58 (the FN MAG) meanwhile in open terrain like Forrest, mountains etc.. then the FN Mag would be preferred for the range and covering fire and so on.
@@scruffy7760 nothing you do as a professional soldier, if you have the option of take out the KSP90 then you obviously would do that when your going from room to room clearing. The 58 is nice in defence but nothing you wanna haul around in an attacking formation.
Where did my response go? Anyway. Short version. The 58 has been used by professional officers, conscripts, career troops and the Homeguard for room clearing... Since 1958. Don't know what to tell you 😅
Hey All ! At first so called "Libaralism", has A BIG Difference in Europe contra The US !! WHY !? So called "Liberaism" in Europe , is "tracked" to the "Middle-man" in the whole of Europe. In the US, "Liberaism", often is called "Communism", but is SOOO FAAR away from that !!! SO, in that Case, GIVE the "Right perspective" if the US for the coomon people, that we in Sweden ARE NOT "Communist"-people, but we care for eachother for example in common healthcare. You can Still Be, the The Most "Wealthy Man/Woman", if you can in Sweden (or in the World), but, in Sweden, We "Don´t forgot our own", but in a Social System compared with a Military System !! Is that the Difference in the US of being a "Democrat" or a "Republican", I don´t know !?!?
The original video did a really great job in making this video. It's the most in depth video about the Swedish military I've seen.
I thought it was well done too, although it’s hard for me to tell sometimes from an outsiders perspective.
All swedish weapons are made for fighting in our back yard, maybe some times others can use it. :)
Germany has been supplying recovery tanks and bridge laying tanks based on the Leo 2.
4:51 Haha. Love the your comment about the Danes :D Danskjävlar!
Haha! Always keep an watchful eye on the danes...and Snapphanarna in the south. ;)
@@runthehills7858 Ooooh yes! :)
22.47 the man in officersuniform standing in the tank is the swedish king Carl XVI Gustaf.
That tiny Island is Gotland. Control Gotland and you basically control the entire region. It is the most important spot.
Agreed, we’ve had this conversation on discord a handful of times. Gotland is what I think would be an initial strike point in a move outwards through the Baltic.
@@rayceofhistory indeed. But we will stack Russian corpses sky high there If they try. And sink every vessel.
I was on the south scania 72nd as a conscript for a year. It is arguably very important for swedens defence as a air landing would most likely be done in that area (big open fields everywhere, perfect for that kind of attack)
just admit it, it's because you know we will come to take Skåne back sooner or later 😉
@@thegreatdane3627In your dreams.
@@thegreatdane3627 You can have it for free
@@FadeStrategy Gladly, tell me when to show up and let's dig a trench at hallandsåsen.
@@thegreatdane3627 nah, you would be kinda welcome, we are tired of the stupidity in stockholm anyways
An interesting fact about the Swedish Leopard 2 "Improved" A5 SE (stridsvagn 122). It's the only Leopard in the world with additional armor added to the turret.
I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Some variants of the 2A7 I believe also uses its armour package for protection in urban warfare. Also it's not a 2A5. It was developed concurrently with the 2A5 from the same vehicle, the Leopard 2 Improved, essentially an upgraded 2A4. The 2A5 didn't exist yet when the 122 was being made.
We did add 3 tons of armor to our Leo2s when we modified them. The Germans thought it was such a good idea they copied it. So no... The Strv122 is not the only Leo2 with lots of armor on the turret
@@scruffy7760 Yes and no. For the regular version I believe they only added the armour to the hull. I think only some lesser used versions have the actual roof armour.
@@scruffy7760 Polish version seems to be beefed up on armor on the turret.
Only Leopard 2 with the French GALIX smoke grenade launchers.
Good thing we have our evil enemy back now, isn't it...
Makes everything much easier.
I saw that you got pretty impressed by the BV410. You should check out Matsimus video on the BVS10 (one version of this vehicle), it's a great video. I recommended this video before and you said you would do it, but maybe you forgot or had a bunch of other videos to go through. But please do that one Rayce! You will be impressed of this vehicle, it's insane when it comes to mobility!
We have also exported a lot of these tracked vehicels around the world. A lot of fire departments, police, military, mountain rescuers, etc. use them.
The British army also use them apparently. Probably a fair few other militaries too.
@@Ragedaonenlonely Yeah. It's called the Viking by the Britts. Good name :)
I definitely will. I have a oh, 200(ish) video recommended list but I try to fit them in next to each other so I’m not jumping subjects every day so I’ll try to fit in here with this stuff.
@@rayceofhistory Great! .. :D
@@rayceofhistory
Sweden currently operates five variants of the Bv410:
APC, C3, Ambulans, Logistics and AA (RBS98 IrisT) variants.
I prefer the KSP58 over the ksp90 mainly couse a KSP58 with the gas regulator turned down low is amongst the most manly things there is to shot. When i did my conscription i dreaded the GRG, couse not only did you have to hump around the bush with a solid metal tube wighing a literal ton strapped to your back, you had to hump your main rifle and ammo as well. So my preferance as an old Pioner is AK5 with At4 at my back.
“Literal” literally means the opposite of how you use it here.
I like the idea of all the CV90s having the 40mm auto cannon. Means even the support and command vehicles could look and shoot down drones.
The downside is cannons and ammunition takes space. That means less space for crew and command equipment most likely. That's probably part of the reason they weren't armed with one earlier. The other reason is probably cost.
@@Ragedaonenlonely Yeah. But having eyes in the sky is more important today some that kinda makes up for the less space.
Yeah, the decision to reinforce the entirety of our armed forces was a direct response to 2014 Crimea and the overall deteriorated state of security in the region that followed.
Mounted combat was a big part of the doctrine even during the Cold War. If you look at the KP car and PBV301 and PBV302, fighting from the vehicle was always part of the equation.
There have since the 60s been two main ways to attack with Armored Infantry in Swedish doctrine. Dismounted, with vehicles providing support. This could include tanks being right next to the troops. Or, mounted, driving up to and even into the enemy position, with the option to keep fighting mounted to remain highly mobile, or, to dismount and push into point blank range.
Gotland is like the worlds biggest aircraft carrier that you can't sink!!!!
It can not move either 😂
@@petter5721 As they say: Location, location, location. There is very little room to move about in the Baltic sea for an actual aircraft carrier anyway. Too constricted.
11:10 Pretty much. They're there as command units to organize other forces and aren't really supposed to be direct combat units. The machine gun is primarily for self-defence. Adding a cannon is an extra force multiplier though and means you can do more with less when the available manpower is limited.
12:00 That and the terrain. Northern Sweden has a lot more rough terrain. It's heavily forested and infrastructure and roads are more sparse and so there's a greater need to go off-road where wheeled vehicles and trucks won't do as well. Rivers aren't exactly uncommon either and not all bridges will be able to support the weight of heavy vehicles.
19:44 I can't actually speak from personal experience, but I'd imagine the 90 would be preferred for general carry because of the lighter weight and the greater ease with which you can quickly respond to a threat with it. The 58 would probably be preferred for longer and more static engagements where the greater effective range and larger volume of fire it allows for is more important. The MAG is a heavy, heavy gun, but it's also incredibly reliable and just keeps going and going. Not so fun to carry, but very effective once shit hits the fan.
24:15 The fighting mounted is probably mostly for putting down defensive suppressive fire. As he mentions the accuracy of fire when done this way is questionable, however fire doesn't necessarily need to be accurate for suppression. It still accomplishes its goal of encouraging infantry to keep their head down instead of returning fire and in that way successfully helps protect the mounted vehicle. They would probably dismount later on to actually neutralize the threat more properly. EDIT: Probably doesn't hurt the situational awareness of the vehicle to have a couple more sets of eyes and ears keeping watch in the back of the vehicle either. Hard to see much when you're buttoned up inside an armoured compartment.
Mounted combat was a big part of the doctrine even during the Cold War. If you look at the KP car (Kp-bil) and PBV301 and PBV302, fighting from the vehicle was always part of the equation. There have since the 60s been two main ways to attack with Armored Infantry in Swedish doctrine. Dismounted, with vehicles providing support. This could include tanks being right next to the troops. Or, mounted, driving up to and even into the enemy position, with the option to keep fighting mounted to remain highly mobile, or, to dismount and push into point blank range.
The idea is you hit the enemy with mortars, possibly even HE from tanks, while the IFV or APC charges. The shell-shocked enemy realizes armored vehicles are crashing into them and angry riflemen are shooting at them. Some armored infantry might dismount to clear out trenches or secure a ridge etc, while those mounted can still maneuver and be protected from rifles and machineguns, quickly repositioning as needed to counter threats or exploit a situation.
Like mention earlier the hovercraft in the beginning is a Russian Zubr-class LCAC…..
Gives me flashbacks was in the north at 191./192. Mechanized Bns. At Norrbotten Armoured Battalion P 5 in the 90´s when its was Norrbotten Regiment with Norrbotten Armoured Battalion I19/P5 and had the strv(Stridsvagn) 103C aka S-tank at 1:11 and Pbv(Pansarbandvagn) 302 (Armored track vehicle 302, infantry fighting vehicle) at 22:01.
Yep as others have said,landing was a large amphibious assault hovercraft. The US has some enormous ones,European navies to a lesser degree, and the benefit is speed and ability to hover from water into land and unload multiple tanks/vehicles alongside troops,mobile artillery really anything you can think of. 😀
It was a USSR made assault hovercraft in the video
Even in ww2 so was there not only the main medium tanks we hear about, but there was also a lot more light tanks around then medium ones making things not that different to today with IFV filling the role of Light Tanks.
U.S. Marines ride in Swedish Navy Hovercraft 8100, Berga Naval Base, Sweden
ruclips.net/video/7BPuTL2GF8M/видео.html
Important distinction: This is an UK hovercraft, not a Swedish made one.
The landing in the beginning is russian ships and vehichles
I know u joked about denmark being frisky, was long time ago we had any real fights with them though we have been at war with Denmark more than 22 times. This is not included viking and earliar this is afterthe country became Sweden. But Gotland island have always been incredible strategic in the baltic sea. When i did my military service in the navy we did a week long Excercise around Gotland, during really bad weather. The storm was up to 40 meters per second. horrible condition but im sure was what the command wanted, makes the drills more warlike.
It looks like it's a BMP-1 driving off the hovercraft in the beginning of the video. Correct me if I'm wrong. So it can't be a Swedish hovercraft.
you are right, it is not Swedish!!!
@@peretandersson3366 :P
About the vehicle off-loading a tank on the beach: a Russian military hover craft.
The hovercraft in the beginning you were asking about was a russian Zubr Class hovercraft, not a swedish hovercraft.
one thing they got wrong is that the AK4c is atm mostly used by the homeguard the "regular" military is using the AK5c and d but they are doing joint testing with finland to get a new joint weapon system that they have said they "plan" to put in the the field around 2025 and that system will replace the AK4 and 5 in theory.
22:47 our King Carl Gustav XVI :)
Also called Knugen.
Yes! Putin has always been interested in Gotland. Beautiful island with a lot of history and where it’s placed… perfect for him. Well in his opinion. 😳
Depending on what the objective is I think it’s one of the most strategically important spots that would have to be taken early on. A move towards Sweden couldn’t let Gotland stand, it either has to be taken or removed for all intents and purposes.
@@rayceofhistory Russia really doesn't have the amphibious capability to land a major force under fire tbh. Unless they've completely wiped out our air force ahead of time it would be a massacre. Even if they have done that the Gotlands, naval mines and Gungnirs would take a toll on any naval assets. Whatever survives that gets to play with the tanks, IFVs, ATGMs, ect.
An old respons to your question at around 11.30 : People without a sword can still die upon them.
Asout the CV 90 hatches. do you think the anemy that will be shoot at from thouse hatches will laugh and stand up be cause you can aim more bad from a moving vehicle? I think after my 27 years in Swedich army that if some one shot at me i will crawl down in the trench as deep i can, i dosent matter if it is a soldier on the ground or in the vehicle that shoot on you, it is led in the air either.
I think it's a big hovercraft.
Thanks!
I appreciate it!!
I would guess, Sweden don't build bridges in general, larger rivers in the North is to wide and to fast flowing for pontoon bridges to be effective. If not, swim over is better. So probably don't have any spare bridge equipment for Ukraine, because we don't use them a lot.
I heard in another video that thy will send beige equipment. But haven’t checked the source so take it with a grain of salt
[EIDT: WRONG guess!] Doing the landing in the beginning must be a "Griffon Hoverwork 2000TD" which Sweden apparently have three(?) News to me however...
New to me aswell but yes, seems legit
I’m going to have to look that one up, I haven’t seen it.
News to me too but doesn't look like that can carry armor?
@@assarstromblad3280 I'm totally wrong. The Griffton (Swedish designation "Svävare 2000") can take one armored vehicle but it is a tiny two engine thing compared to the one in the intro. That is some USSR/Russia or maybe US piece? 🙂
Think it's an American LCAC Hovercraft during a Swedish-US exercise
Maybe it was that I just caught a glimpse of it, but it looked way bigger than any hovercraft I’d ever seen. It looked like a hovercraft, just a massive one.
I think it's a russian Zubr since they are showing other Soviet/Russian equipment at the start. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr-class_LCAC
@@toedtoed I was thinking it might be too just based on how massive it was, but I didn’t know if that would fit the video.
@@rayceofhistory look up the LCAC it's pretty cool..
To my knowledge we (Sweden) don't have a landing craft like that
Yeah that wasn't a piece of Swedish equipment. We have heli's, but they're mostly on the smaller and lighter side.
No. 265505 Is my AK5 waiting for me untill there is a war.
Ksp 58 any time of the day!
Hype!
It wasnt so smart to give the leadership CV90 without a bofors , they stand out from everyone else , which makes it easier for any opponent to focus fire on the leadership itself.
They've been upgraded since.
Mission dictates, MOUT= Military Operation in Urban terrain then I would go with a light machine gun like the KSP90 (the FN Minimi) instead of the KSP58 (the FN MAG) meanwhile in open terrain like Forrest, mountains etc.. then the FN Mag would be preferred for the range and covering fire and so on.
Ksp58 in urban setting. You want the 7.62 to punch through bricks and concrete
@@scruffy7760 not walking around with it.
Worked well enough when I did conscription 😅
@@scruffy7760 nothing you do as a professional soldier, if you have the option of take out the KSP90 then you obviously would do that when your going from room to room clearing. The 58 is nice in defence but nothing you wanna haul around in an attacking formation.
Where did my response go?
Anyway. Short version. The 58 has been used by professional officers, conscripts, career troops and the Homeguard for room clearing... Since 1958. Don't know what to tell you 😅
I dont think the first hovercraft was from the swedish army. Most likely either from joint excersise or completely unrelated.
I thought it might actually be Russian, they have a massive one.
Hmmm I don't think so. Looks like a BMP-1 is driving of it.
@@rayceofhistory I agree. The markings certainly didn't look Swedish.
Zubr-Class
Hey All ! At first so called "Libaralism", has A BIG Difference in Europe contra The US !! WHY !? So called "Liberaism" in Europe , is "tracked" to the "Middle-man" in the whole of Europe. In the US, "Liberaism", often is called "Communism", but is SOOO FAAR away from that !!! SO, in that Case, GIVE the "Right perspective" if the US for the coomon people, that we in Sweden ARE NOT "Communist"-people, but we care for eachother for example in common healthcare. You can Still Be, the The Most "Wealthy Man/Woman", if you can in Sweden (or in the World), but, in Sweden, We "Don´t forgot our own", but in a Social System compared with a Military System !! Is that the Difference in the US of being a "Democrat" or a "Republican", I don´t know !?!?
Well my PSG 90😎
IKV91 video here; ruclips.net/video/DLAz37FAcbo/видео.html
Russian landing craft
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