Eh I'm regards to 5.56 it loses way too much velocity over distance to be considered effective at hard barrier penetration even on steel targets. At 100 meters it's pretty much shed 25% of it's energy.
@@nemisous83it doesn't even lose 25% at 200 yards. That being said, 5.56 was never meant to deliver the same energy as 308. It was always a compromise of better capacity and a lighter weight weapon at the expense of energy on target, compared to previous infantry cartridges.
So glad to see 300 blk get another win. He needed it. Last couple of comparisons really shook his confidence, but he put his head down and powered through. Heart of a champion.
I was looking at the specs of 3BO, and found that it's also 7.62, but reduced to 35 instead of 39. Is there any real advantage to this over regular 7.62 x 39? I know it's got subsonic potential, but can't you load a 230 grain bullet in an AK casing, and reduce P to keep it from exploding? Thanks man. @@jason200912
Yeah the 150gr fmj ain't the same as a subsonic 230gr. Kinda wacky that you can run both out of the same gun and have it operate right. The single biggest selling point of 300blk
Where's the metal penetrating round for the 300 BLK? That's the one thing holding me back is I don't want to lose my chance to try to wreck an engine though the side of a car.
@@chrisbusch1970 300blk ammo is a minimu,m of about 60 cents per round for supersonic which isnt needed. Subsonic ranges from 75 cents per round to over a dollar per round, and is the entire purpose of 300blk. On the other hand, 223 can be found for 53 cents per round.
5.56x45/.223 REM and 300 blk out/whisper are meant for two entirely different applications. 300 was never meant to compete with 5.56 and vice versa. It was meant to replace the 9mm in a small sub sized package and have great subsonic capabilities. 5.56 will always have its applications and 300 will be the king of short barrels, subsonic knock down power at close to medium range.
Yeah, I have reloaded 300 blackout with 110gn FMJ bullets all the way up to 230gn FMJ bullets. Then you got boat tail, soft points, hollow points... the list goes on and on... With .223, you have 40gn - 90gn and numerous variations as well. When using 40gn bullets, you need a different barrel twist than a 90gn bullet as the 90gn will be about 2 1/2 times longer than the shortest .223 bullets... Basically, you can make the stats say what ever you want them to say if you compare the wrong bullets in the wrong guns. Personally, I prefer the 300 blackout primarily due to powder availability, ease of reloading and the ability to convert .223 casings into 300 blackout casings. Both are great rounds when properly used.
@@capt5656 This line of thinking won't be common, I have been reloading since I was a teenager and have also done muzzle loading extensively. It takes years of effort, trial and error, blood, sweat and tears to gain this type of thinking. Most shooters won't get past going to the range with their buddies and or hunting with Walmart ammo. Nothing wrong with that, but that is the common level of understanding within the gun community.
I'm honestly so impressed with your little homemade target rig. So many gun youtubers just slap whatever thing they're shooting onto a walmart table and call it good. You actually put in some effort. .300 black is my favorite round right now. It's what I have set up for my home defense and I love to shoot it. I just wish rounds weren't so expensive.
It can be a lot cheaper with some elbow grease and a new hobby. Get some once fired .223/5.56 brass, a reloading press, dies, mini chop saw, brass prep tools, etc. And you can have your own .300 BO for pretty cheap. Not an endeavor for the impatient types, though.
As Kevin said , invest a little money into reloading equipment and it is a lot cheaper. I use an angle grinder with a cut off disk for cutting the 5.56 brass. I didn't want to spend the money on the mini chop saw.
@@louiscapasso4452 as .300 is my goto HD, night ops and truck systems, I am thinking about the case trimming "die grinder" attachment for my team blue press. i know its alot of money but it seems it would be way less time involved.
Thank you for making me feel better for buying a 300 BO. The price difference in ammo has made me feel like I purchased a painted pig round, I’m glad it at least has some noticeable advantages
Its a close-range soft target monster. Itll put down what you need it to within about 250 yards. If you're not defending a ton of acreage, its just fine.
@@CrashRacknShoot which is perfect for home defense, I’ll grab the old 556 my father passed down to me if I need to reach out and touch. But yea. Seeing this gives me hope that it’s not a gimmick.
@@CrashRacknShootA 16" 5.56 running standard ammo won't destroy a soft target at 250 yards?!?! Dead is dead, what's the benefit to 300 BLK unless you're shooting at an elephant? My problem is zombies not elephants.
@@pcalna3202 when did I say that? When did *aaaaaaannyyyoooone* say that? Take a second and read what was said. Dude bought a 300 BO. We're talking about 300 BO. But not you! Oh no. Of course not you. You dont want to talk about 300 BO. *You* have to come in and make sure that everyone knows the obvious about a round that was not discussed *right here.* A round that's been proven for *60 years.* What do you feel was accomplished by making sure that little tidbit of info was shoved into this very conversation?
I think a better representation of comparing the two would be to use say a Lehigh defense 110 TME or a Barnes 110 Tac Tx and whatever similar qualities of a bullet into a 556 62gr or so. The big subs in 300 blk weren't designed to beat out the 556 AR but to replace the MP5SD for a number of reasons. Which many would agree is a no contest especially with 1:5 twist sub 9" barrels. But a 12.5" or so 300 Blk with Supers versus a 12.5" 556 AR (keep in mind most run a 10.3 or 11.5" when SBR'n a 556 AR) then we have a better comparison to go off of. Thanks for the video though I know its a lot of work to make these for us viewers.
Son and I each grabbed 2 deer last night. He used the 300 Blk 110 Vmax and I used the 223(556) 55sp. The 300 smashed them the 223 didn't. Simples. Australia
It's literally the point of this cartridge and it still gets brought up. Its like when guys ask "What's the accuracy like at 500yards for 300blk derrrrr?"😂 Use .308 if you want a 30cal hammer at 800yds. Ffs
@@jrowinski82that’s not fully true. Full performance is around 16-18in barrels. It loses less velocity than .556 out of shorter barrels because the cartridge design allows the powder to burn faster. It is designed to be as close as possible out of a short barrel and to be extremely quiet with subsonic rounds which aren’t good for range anyways. So it performs best in a full size AR, but what makes it special is that it retains more velocity than the vast majority of rounds when shortening the barrel.
@@elementdemon38 AAC the company that created the 300 black out would disagree with you. How aren't subsonic rounds good for the range? You sound ridiculous, I almost only shoot subsonic rounds at the range out of my MCX Rattler.
@@jrowinski82the “max performance from 9 inch barrel” thing is a total myth. It probably comes from subsonic performance, because a cartridge can be loaded for subsonic in a short barrel. Supers keep gaining velocity as the barrel gets longer, just like any other firearm.
Dude, I'm only 20 seconds in, incredible speaking voice. You missed your calling.... politician, sport caster or preacher. It's not too late, you will have success.
Well the 5.56 standard M193 FMJ/Ball was designed as an anti-personnel round, not an anti-material round. But with advanced bullet tech like the MK 262 Mod 1 that has changed to include material.
M855a1 or Mk318 would be more of what you're thinking of. Mk262 is more anti personnel as it is an OTM and is not good at penetration of most barriers.
@@michaelfleming5793 M855a1 wears out barrels and Mk318 is the USMC equivalent of US Army M855 green tip. Mk262 mod 1 is suppose to be the USMC equivalent of the US Army M855a1 without the barrel wear.
@rbm6184 the m855a1 doesn't wear barrels so much as was wearing feed ramps initially due to steel tip for the penetrator. That was solved for the most part with proper feed angles from newer magazines or using magpul mags. The mk318 was developed to be superior to m855 that was having difficulty penetrating windshields at certain angles and also wasn't really living up to expectations on personnel. The mk318 is essentially an OTM with a bonded core that provides great performance on personnel and barrier penetration.
Always love seeing your comparisons! You mention reinforced concrete...would be interesting to see how fiberglass reinforced concrete compares to what you are using.
That'd probably be a virtual tie. Same parent case, with just a 2.8% difference in case capacity, same pressures, both slingin' pills relatively close in diameter in the .245-.255 range of sectional density. Unless you want to compare some varmint load for the 6mm ARC but if they're slingin' 58 grain V-Maxes that's just reinventing the .223 Remington wheel.
For sand penetration, momentum (mass x velocity) seems to be the deciding factor. There's some other folks on RUclips who have tested arrows on sandbags (in general, they penetrate sand far better than bullets), and their results seemed to follow the momentum computation.
Momentum yes, but more importantly the mass component of it as it is constant even at rest. As the projectile enters a medium like gel it slows very quickly and therefore its momentum collapses. A projectile with similar momentum but with much more mass will retain more momentum as it penetrates. This is why heavy for caliber rounds typically go deeper and big game hunters favor heavy solids for deep penetration.
Considering that the rounds are not really created for the same thing, the fact that the 5.56 penetrates steel better isn't really a win. It actually proves that 300BLK is best at what it does, a suppressor friendly round that doesn't overpenetrate as much which is excellent for a home defence weapon.
I’ve seen quite a few of your videos and I’ve never seen anything make it through the sand other than this 300blk. Crazy that not even 7.62x39 or .308 could match that.
300 blk out "subsonic" was designed for "shooting suppressed" at humans. As the person stated before, more mass for more knock down power shooting "suppressed."
Back in the 80s and 90s there was a similar round known as the 7mm TCU used in Metallic Silhouette shooting...that might be an interesting test. It also is based on the .223 but uses a full size case.
Thanks for sharing. I just learned of the 6mmx45mm the other day Basically a .243 loaded into a 223 brass. Took advantage of the heavier 243 projectiles. Kinda neat.
@@moshkid16it's had a few commercial loadings for it, but it's just obscure enough that no one really knows about it. Who wouldn't want an extra 100fps for the same bullet weight and better BC?
@@Whiskey11Gaming i didn't know that, neat. Now that the 6 ARC is out i think most people who don't have an interest in handloading will run that instead. I think 6arc/6.5grendel/300BO is the final say for micro/short action ar15 style cartridges for now.
This is why I appreciate the .300blk cartridge for engagement at short-to-medium ranges. Would love to see steel core .300blk round. If constructed well, even with lower initial velocity, I suspect it would/could give steel core .223 a run for its money. Perhaps it could have a copper jacket that is a bit thicker than normal which would then allow for a penetrator portion that is slimmer (say .25 or .275?) while allowing for larger mass profile (than .223), but also saving some weight allowing for no loss in IV (or perhaps even an slight increase) 🤔
Seems the last test was compromised considering the .300 BLK round hit the wood before the target. I still enjoyed the video because it validates something I have been preaching for years.
5.56 isn't for shooting through barriers. It was designed to be an anti-personnel round. It does really well at penetrating human beings and making a nice unrecoverable wound channel.
Which is why, especially inside of 100 yards, I will always use the 5.56. As a matter of fact, that it doesn't penetrate barriers like the heavier rounds is actually another good reason why it is my personal defense rifle round of choice. But like every tool, I am aware of its limitations, which is why I have other rifles meant for other purposes. I am about to begin development of a .338 Lapua Magnum for my bolt action reach out and fuck something up rifle.
@@stonefox9124correct me if I’m wrong but don’t soldiers use fmj because using hallow points are considered a war crime? Fmj wounds can be treated easier. Again I could be wrong.
@@mr.e1026 5.56 went through 3/8th mild steel, so I don't understand your logic. Anything less than solid concrete or an engine block is going to get penetrated. It is certainly going through vinyl siding, sheathing, studs, insulation and drywall.
Depends on Range and Mission. Period. 300 Blackout does not have the same trajectory to reach out and touch a fool. But can be ultra lethal in sub 200M and under light discipline (night op, etc)
The other thing to consider is that most rain will have trees hills buildings, and rarely will you be able to shoot out to 200 m and with the 556 you have to worry about that bullet continuing on where is the 300 blackout is less likely to penetrate anything past your desired target.
Great ballistic content........ can you chronograph some different 9mm ammo out of a 3.5" vs 16" barreled guns(glock26 - keltec sub2000), specifically the 50 grain super fast liberty civil defense ammo and maybe show the difference in effectiveness of each round on different mediums from the two different barrel lengths, that would be an awesome video
L comment.. 5.56 is wicked lethal. In most cases more lethal than 7.62. At close range, 308 will likely go through and through with minimal exit damage because of weight and velo. It will knock you down, sure but 5.56 is more likely to tumble. And if it does go through, it will leave a massive, irreparable exit wound.
Just a side note for anyone that cares; 300 blackout factory ammo is pretty good. But if you want to see the true versatility get a reloading press and start cranking out some rounds. You have at your disposal the entire catalogue of 308 tips to choose from. Not only that but 1680/H110/N110 are cheap powders that absolutely shine in this caliber. You can cut down 5.56 to make 300 brass or do what many of us do and praise the god of starline for 30cpc. My entire life I’ve been a 5.56/.308 fanboy until I stumbled across reloading and realized the real Swiss Army knife of ballistics is among us. And its name is 300blk
I'd really like to see this comparison re-done, using M855A1 green tip ball ammo (62 grain) for the 5.56 mm ammo. Pretty sure the 5.56 mm would produce more impressive results all the way around.
I feel like within 300 meters, the .300 blkout in supersonic with some type of ballistic tip is the move. If you need raw power cheaply, 5.56 is a great option. 300 is soo... specialized. But it's your custom round for a few more applications.
No, green tips are going slower. You need speed to get through steel. 55g will go through 3+ but green tips do not. Green tips were designed for barrier penetration aka glass, thin metal, concrete etc. but not steel plates or body armor that requires speed for penetration
We've been taking .300 Blackout brass and necking it down to .224. I found this crappy old Colt rifle that was made almost 60 years ago, and this wildcat cartridge shoots just fine in it. You have to use ball powder and clean the rifle often, but it'll make an OK truck gun, I suppose.
I watched the 300 blackout on the thicker steel a couple of times and it's hard to tell if it hit the steel in the front of your rig first. There was what I am assuming was spall so the slow motion might have made it look like it just winged the rig.
When considering 5.56 remember that the velocity creates a massive shock wave inside of soft targets. This isn’t even close because 5.56 is an all around cartridge.
Blackout was designed to do SBR and subsonic better than 5.56 ever could because 5.56 was never designed for either of those purposes. It's really all about putting either round into an appropriate setup. Seeing 5.56 without penetrator ammo being compared 300BLK in a 16" barrel does a nice job of comparing them, but when you take those two factors away and use both calibers appropriately, you really see them fulfill their roles. What I love about 300BLK though is the versatility it can have when you match appropriate ammo to barrel lengths. There's such a range in ammo choice with 300BLK that I have several shorties (6"-8.5") I shoot with heavy rounds and subs, a mid length (10.5") with 150gr and subs and long a (14") with 110s-123s for hunting. Using 5.56 casings and .308 bullets allows for a nice range of ammo choices and setups to match. I'd love to see this guy do a video comparing these matchups, maybe I should do one myself since I have the guns.
I cast my own 210 grain bullets and powder coat them. I don't consider a 300 BO bullet a heavy subsonic unless it's at least 200 grain but you may be talking bolt and I'm referring to the AR platform. To achieve consistent ejecting and round stripping in full auto I use 11.6 gr. of CFE BLK and a 210 gr. bullet which gives me an average 1050 fps.
Yeah, Banana is terrible at picking 300blk . I think he has zero idea that with 30pblk your picking from dozens of ultra specific bullet characteristics vs a general purpose worldwide round.
Any medium has the potential of messing with trajectory... Even tall grass .. More-so with long pointed projectiles... Large heavy slugs like 45-70 will keep to the intended path like a freight train....
Dude your music in your videos are refreshing. It may sound corny but I’m sick of gun videos with hip hop techno music that you can barely hear the video. I’m a fan already.
I shoot 110 grain vmax at 2300fps out of my 300. It's no slouch. Great for hunting in overcrowded woods of Florida. And definitely capable taking 100 to 200 pound targets
1 thing no one addresses in this type test is the larger caliber must move more metal to pass threw the same thickness, so if the penitration is the same the larger caliber wins
FFS penetration depends as much on the bullet construction as on the caliber, weight and velocity. You got to compare similarly-constructed projectiles. Otherwise one can use basic and LIGHT FMJ 300blk and compare it to M855A1. The result would be predictable and a foregone conclusion.
I’ve been telling this to my friends and other 300 blackout just cause it’s a big round doesn’t mean it’s gonna be well it’s made for blinking shooting bullet shorter shell, less gunpowder higher grain on the bullet less velocity is from someone that did a lot of shooting that where the creator 300 blackout came from not for deli or military but now it is depending on the and the location it is a good CQB gun reliable as for shotgun and pistons for up closer quarters
Its ~9" for approximately a full powder burn (which is fantastic), but longer barrels will absolutely yield higher velocities Moving from ~8~9" to 16" gives ~15% more fps in general
300 blackout was never made to be shot from a 16in barrel, it actually loses alot of performance from doing so. It was made to be a sub 200 yard round shot from a 8-12in barrel.
You should talk about bullet load or post on your description bullet type, powder, grain etc... be interesting extra data. Plus barrel length and twist. Thanks for the video! Cool to see.
Speed beats hard targets, mass beats soft barriers. Everything has tradeoffs.
Eh I'm regards to 5.56 it loses way too much velocity over distance to be considered effective at hard barrier penetration even on steel targets. At 100 meters it's pretty much shed 25% of it's energy.
@@nemisous83it doesn't even lose 25% at 200 yards. That being said, 5.56 was never meant to deliver the same energy as 308. It was always a compromise of better capacity and a lighter weight weapon at the expense of energy on target, compared to previous infantry cartridges.
M855 would've easily won this.. The material used and it's density is a factor as well.. not just velocity, mass, or volume alone
Exactly. So many people seem to not know this.
@@gus808 that's a horse of another color. Why not 30-06? It beats 308 hands down. Or .338 lapua?
So glad to see 300 blk get another win. He needed it. Last couple of comparisons really shook his confidence, but he put his head down and powered through. Heart of a champion.
Now watch it get its ass kicked to 7.62 39 lol
I was looking at the specs of 3BO, and found that it's also 7.62, but reduced to 35 instead of 39. Is there any real advantage to this over regular 7.62 x 39? I know it's got subsonic potential, but can't you load a 230 grain bullet in an AK casing, and reduce P to keep it from exploding? Thanks man. @@jason200912
M855 outperforms both 300blk and 7.62 with soft and hard barrier penetration lol..
@@TTime685 No argument there. However, you're not throwing rocks at people. No matter which you chose, it will work against soft targets.
What’s the weight of the bullets?
There’s a huge range of 300 BLK rounds for different applications. They deserve their own episode…
Yeah the 150gr fmj ain't the same as a subsonic 230gr. Kinda wacky that you can run both out of the same gun and have it operate right. The single biggest selling point of 300blk
Where's the metal penetrating round for the 300 BLK? That's the one thing holding me back is I don't want to lose my chance to try to wreck an engine though the side of a car.
@@pcalna3202 Plus there is many MANY different rounds for 223./556. Also it has more kinetic energy than BO 100-400yd range.
@@kalidilerious300 blackout has more kinetic energy than a 5.56 up to 300 yrds
Yeah we don't even know what he's using for these tests. What's the rounds, Banana Man? Guess these really are for entertainment only.
IMO 300 blackout is the most versatile intermediate cartridge out. I wish it would get more popular and the price goes down.
less expensive than 5.56
@@chrisbusch1970 300blk ammo is a minimu,m of about 60 cents per round for supersonic which isnt needed. Subsonic ranges from 75 cents per round to over a dollar per round, and is the entire purpose of 300blk. On the other hand, 223 can be found for 53 cents per round.
@@chrisbusch1970 also if you really want to be pedantic that "223 iSnT 5.56" then there's 5.56 ammo for sale for 57 cents per round
Price is Very important. I looked at some 300 blackout at scheels the other day and it wasn't hard to decide which calabre I would pick.
@@MiniDevilDFsubsonic is not the entire purpose of 300 BO. Did you even watch the video?
5.56x45/.223 REM and 300 blk out/whisper are meant for two entirely different applications. 300 was never meant to compete with 5.56 and vice versa. It was meant to replace the 9mm in a small sub sized package and have great subsonic capabilities. 5.56 will always have its applications and 300 will be the king of short barrels, subsonic knock down power at close to medium range.
Love this channel the testing, humor, satire, keep up the good work!
Please start putting water jugs behind the wood block tests. It's a great way to see what energy is left and maybe catch the round 👍
Killer idea 💡
Im only here for the jugs...
Great idea. Hopefully other people read this and post the same idea and if finally gets to this channel, or one of the other good channels.
I think anytime 300bo is being tested, subs and supers need to be considered
Yeah, I have reloaded 300 blackout with 110gn FMJ bullets all the way up to 230gn FMJ bullets. Then you got boat tail, soft points, hollow points... the list goes on and on...
With .223, you have 40gn - 90gn and numerous variations as well. When using 40gn bullets, you need a different barrel twist than a 90gn bullet as the 90gn will be about 2 1/2 times longer than the shortest .223 bullets...
Basically, you can make the stats say what ever you want them to say if you compare the wrong bullets in the wrong guns.
Personally, I prefer the 300 blackout primarily due to powder availability, ease of reloading and the ability to convert .223 casings into 300 blackout casings.
Both are great rounds when properly used.
@@woodlanditguy2951 I wish this line of thinking was more common, this stuff is not black and white.
@@capt5656 This line of thinking won't be common, I have been reloading since I was a teenager and have also done muzzle loading extensively. It takes years of effort, trial and error, blood, sweat and tears to gain this type of thinking. Most shooters won't get past going to the range with their buddies and or hunting with Walmart ammo. Nothing wrong with that, but that is the common level of understanding within the gun community.
It really is like having two guns in one, and all you have to do is change magazines. For best results 300bo shooters really should handload.
@@SuperUncleRyan if you don't handload, I can't see a practical use for the 300bo, fortunately, I reload / handload most of my rounds.
I'm honestly so impressed with your little homemade target rig. So many gun youtubers just slap whatever thing they're shooting onto a walmart table and call it good. You actually put in some effort.
.300 black is my favorite round right now. It's what I have set up for my home defense and I love to shoot it. I just wish rounds weren't so expensive.
It can be a lot cheaper with some elbow grease and a new hobby. Get some once fired .223/5.56 brass, a reloading press, dies, mini chop saw, brass prep tools, etc. And you can have your own .300 BO for pretty cheap. Not an endeavor for the impatient types, though.
As Kevin said , invest a little money into reloading equipment and it is a lot cheaper. I use an angle grinder with a cut off disk for cutting the 5.56 brass. I didn't want to spend the money on the mini chop saw.
If only he would get and use a tripod
@@louiscapasso4452 as .300 is my goto HD, night ops and truck systems, I am thinking about the case trimming "die grinder" attachment for my team blue press. i know its alot of money but it seems it would be way less time involved.
Thank you for actually shooting the ammo you are talking about! ❤ so many people just sit there in a room and t” talk “ about them😊
I already loved my 300 blackouts, but your last few videos made me feel far more comfortable about its capabilities in general purpose carry.
He doesn't even tell us the grain and bullet type
its great inside of 200 yards
but don't ask it go much farther
@@ethandye8764 Some loads are feasible out to 400 in a pinch but I am certainly not carrying a .300 pistol as a replacement for DMR.
@@jbrown6030 Guess you skipped the beginning of the video lol
@@ethandye8764mines is for 300yards max using supers and subs only 80yards
Thank you for making me feel better for buying a 300 BO. The price difference in ammo has made me feel like I purchased a painted pig round, I’m glad it at least has some noticeable advantages
Its a close-range soft target monster. Itll put down what you need it to within about 250 yards. If you're not defending a ton of acreage, its just fine.
@@CrashRacknShoot which is perfect for home defense, I’ll grab the old 556 my father passed down to me if I need to reach out and touch. But yea. Seeing this gives me hope that it’s not a gimmick.
@@CrashRacknShootA 16" 5.56 running standard ammo won't destroy a soft target at 250 yards?!?! Dead is dead, what's the benefit to 300 BLK unless you're shooting at an elephant? My problem is zombies not elephants.
@@pcalna3202 when did I say that? When did *aaaaaaannyyyoooone* say that? Take a second and read what was said. Dude bought a 300 BO. We're talking about 300 BO.
But not you! Oh no. Of course not you. You dont want to talk about 300 BO. *You* have to come in and make sure that everyone knows the obvious about a round that was not discussed *right here.* A round that's been proven for *60 years.* What do you feel was accomplished by making sure that little tidbit of info was shoved into this very conversation?
I think a better representation of comparing the two would be to use say a Lehigh defense 110 TME or a Barnes 110 Tac Tx and whatever similar qualities of a bullet into a 556 62gr or so. The big subs in 300 blk weren't designed to beat out the 556 AR but to replace the MP5SD for a number of reasons. Which many would agree is a no contest especially with 1:5 twist sub 9" barrels. But a 12.5" or so 300 Blk with Supers versus a 12.5" 556 AR (keep in mind most run a 10.3 or 11.5" when SBR'n a 556 AR) then we have a better comparison to go off of. Thanks for the video though I know its a lot of work to make these for us viewers.
Son and I each grabbed 2 deer last night. He used the 300 Blk 110 Vmax and I used the 223(556) 55sp.
The 300 smashed them the 223 didn't. Simples.
Australia
If this guy is using 300 blk subs for this test.. it’s a totally botched test. The difference in muzzle energy between the supers and subs is huge
Awesome! Always look forward to your video, man!
Thanks for all your time and effort!
300 blackout is usually nerfed by undersized barrels. Treat it like a 7.62x39mm and it won't disappoint when shooting supersonics imo.
What are you talking about? 300 blackout gets full ballistic performance out of a 9 inch barrel.
It's literally the point of this cartridge and it still gets brought up. Its like when guys ask "What's the accuracy like at 500yards for 300blk derrrrr?"😂 Use .308 if you want a 30cal hammer at 800yds. Ffs
@@jrowinski82that’s not fully true. Full performance is around 16-18in barrels. It loses less velocity than .556 out of shorter barrels because the cartridge design allows the powder to burn faster. It is designed to be as close as possible out of a short barrel and to be extremely quiet with subsonic rounds which aren’t good for range anyways. So it performs best in a full size AR, but what makes it special is that it retains more velocity than the vast majority of rounds when shortening the barrel.
@@elementdemon38 AAC the company that created the 300 black out would disagree with you. How aren't subsonic rounds good for the range? You sound ridiculous, I almost only shoot subsonic rounds at the range out of my MCX Rattler.
@@jrowinski82the “max performance from 9 inch barrel” thing is a total myth. It probably comes from subsonic performance, because a cartridge can be loaded for subsonic in a short barrel. Supers keep gaining velocity as the barrel gets longer, just like any other firearm.
Dude, I'm only 20 seconds in, incredible speaking voice. You missed your calling.... politician, sport caster or preacher. It's not too late, you will have success.
A great "Come here!" voice for children too!
Well the 5.56 standard M193 FMJ/Ball was designed as an anti-personnel round, not an anti-material round. But with advanced bullet tech like the MK 262 Mod 1 that has changed to include material.
No
M855a1 or Mk318 would be more of what you're thinking of. Mk262 is more anti personnel as it is an OTM and is not good at penetration of most barriers.
@@michaelfleming5793 M855a1 wears out barrels and Mk318 is the USMC equivalent of US Army M855 green tip. Mk262 mod 1 is suppose to be the USMC equivalent of the US Army M855a1 without the barrel wear.
@@rbm6184 the mk262 load was developed as a match grade anti personnel round to go with the Mk12.
@rbm6184 the m855a1 doesn't wear barrels so much as was wearing feed ramps initially due to steel tip for the penetrator. That was solved for the most part with proper feed angles from newer magazines or using magpul mags. The mk318 was developed to be superior to m855 that was having difficulty penetrating windshields at certain angles and also wasn't really living up to expectations on personnel. The mk318 is essentially an OTM with a bonded core that provides great performance on personnel and barrier penetration.
300blk shines even more out of short barrels. Would be interested in a comparison of 9" 300blk vs 10.3" 5.56
300blk 110gr vmax, 2500fps, same ballistic coefficient as 124gr 7.62x39, 500m effective range
And good luxk past 300 with both
im not taking my chances on 300 aac at 300 yards. that is like a foot of drop. and 200 gr subs drop like 8 ft at 300 @@45.Slanging
5.56 at 300 is an easy shot though@@45.Slanging
TBF, the 300 wasn’t designed for 300m engagements much less 500m.
More like 2 feet of drop. Still useable if you know your drop.
Always love seeing your comparisons! You mention reinforced concrete...would be interesting to see how fiberglass reinforced concrete compares to what you are using.
It looks like he is just using low-grade concrete masonry unit blocks (in other form factors, known as "cinderblocks").
Reinforced usually means steel rebar or remesh
That type of reinforcement would introduce too much inconsistency for bullet strike comparisons
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Excellent video Double B. ❤ Thank you for all your hard work! 😎
Would love to see you put the 6mm arc against the 6.5 grendel
That'd probably be a virtual tie. Same parent case, with just a 2.8% difference in case capacity, same pressures, both slingin' pills relatively close in diameter in the .245-.255 range of sectional density.
Unless you want to compare some varmint load for the 6mm ARC but if they're slingin' 58 grain V-Maxes that's just reinventing the .223 Remington wheel.
For sand penetration, momentum (mass x velocity) seems to be the deciding factor. There's some other folks on RUclips who have tested arrows on sandbags (in general, they penetrate sand far better than bullets), and their results seemed to follow the momentum computation.
Momentum yes, but more importantly the mass component of it as it is constant even at rest. As the projectile enters a medium like gel it slows very quickly and therefore its momentum collapses. A projectile with similar momentum but with much more mass will retain more momentum as it penetrates. This is why heavy for caliber rounds typically go deeper and big game hunters favor heavy solids for deep penetration.
You hit the sled with that last
.300 blackout round!
Huh?
Yeah the wood slat was hit by the 300 blackout and lost energy. It could have gone through if it wasn’t obstructed
Considering that the rounds are not really created for the same thing, the fact that the 5.56 penetrates steel better isn't really a win. It actually proves that 300BLK is best at what it does, a suppressor friendly round that doesn't overpenetrate as much which is excellent for a home defence weapon.
Would love too see the 8.6 blk. Ive seen ballistic tests that show it smoking through 40 inches of jel no issue due too the super high spin rate
I'm waiting for a chamber finishing reamer and a thread adaptor to finish my build. LR 308 lower with a side charging upper and 8" Faxon barrel.
I’ve seen quite a few of your videos and I’ve never seen anything make it through the sand other than this 300blk. Crazy that not even 7.62x39 or .308 could match that.
I think if you had used M885 62gr 5.56 or even a 77gr without the steel core and you would have much different result.
Right he never said what grain 556 round he was using
Yup the green tips
300 blk out "subsonic" was designed for "shooting suppressed" at humans. As the person stated before, more mass for more knock down power shooting "suppressed."
Back in the 80s and 90s there was a similar round known as the 7mm TCU used in Metallic Silhouette shooting...that might be an interesting test. It also is based on the .223 but uses a full size case.
Thanks for sharing. I just learned of the 6mmx45mm the other day
Basically a .243 loaded into a 223 brass.
Took advantage of the heavier 243 projectiles. Kinda neat.
@moshkid16 likely a good choice. Just a barrel change.
@@mikefranklin1253 it looks promising. It never made it out of wildcat territory. A lot of neat videos on here about it.
@@moshkid16it's had a few commercial loadings for it, but it's just obscure enough that no one really knows about it. Who wouldn't want an extra 100fps for the same bullet weight and better BC?
@@Whiskey11Gaming i didn't know that, neat.
Now that the 6 ARC is out i think most people who don't have an interest in handloading will run that instead. I think 6arc/6.5grendel/300BO is the final say for micro/short action ar15 style cartridges for now.
My friend, you could make lots of money doing voice overs and commercials. Incredible voice, though I am sure you've been told that before.
This is why I appreciate the .300blk cartridge for engagement at short-to-medium ranges.
Would love to see steel core .300blk round.
If constructed well, even with lower initial velocity, I suspect it would/could give steel core .223 a run for its money. Perhaps it could have a copper jacket that is a bit thicker than normal which would then allow for a penetrator portion that is slimmer (say .25 or .275?) while allowing for larger mass profile (than .223), but also saving some weight allowing for no loss in IV (or perhaps even an slight increase) 🤔
Seems the last test was compromised considering the .300 BLK round hit the wood before the target.
I still enjoyed the video because it validates something I have been preaching for years.
You were this many years old when you realized why grunts are always filling sandbags.
Like the video's, but please tell us what round you are using. 62 green tip, 55, 77 SMK???
5.56 isn't for shooting through barriers. It was designed to be an anti-personnel round. It does really well at penetrating human beings and making a nice unrecoverable wound channel.
Which is why, especially inside of 100 yards, I will always use the 5.56. As a matter of fact, that it doesn't penetrate barriers like the heavier rounds is actually another good reason why it is my personal defense rifle round of choice. But like every tool, I am aware of its limitations, which is why I have other rifles meant for other purposes. I am about to begin development of a .338 Lapua Magnum for my bolt action reach out and fuck something up rifle.
@@mr.e1026 Search RUclips for a 500 yard water jug test of 556 vs 308. Serious energy even at 500 yards.
Actually it's pretty recoverable... Soldiers were actually complaining about how enemies could still fight after being hit...
@@stonefox9124correct me if I’m wrong but don’t soldiers use fmj because using hallow points are considered a war crime? Fmj wounds can be treated easier. Again I could be wrong.
@@mr.e1026 5.56 went through 3/8th mild steel, so I don't understand your logic. Anything less than solid concrete or an engine block is going to get penetrated. It is certainly going through vinyl siding, sheathing, studs, insulation and drywall.
Haven't ventured into the 300 blackout, mostly due to ammo costs. My compromise was to purchase an AR in 7.62x39.
Palmetto state armory. You can buy boxes for like $12
i went ahead and built one of each so i can use both at the same time, the coroner can hit me up with the stats on each if and when it ever comes up
Depends on Range and Mission. Period. 300 Blackout does not have the same trajectory to reach out and touch a fool. But can be ultra lethal in sub 200M and under light discipline (night op, etc)
The other thing to consider is that most rain will have trees hills buildings, and rarely will you be able to shoot out to 200 m and with the 556 you have to worry about that bullet continuing on where is the 300 blackout is less likely to penetrate anything past your desired target.
I think 300blk is supreme for urban environments
love the channel, love the testing, but .223 is designed to scream from a longer barrel.
Great ballistic content........ can you chronograph some different 9mm ammo out of a 3.5" vs 16" barreled guns(glock26 - keltec sub2000), specifically the 50 grain super fast liberty civil defense ammo and maybe show the difference in effectiveness of each round on different mediums from the two different barrel lengths, that would be an awesome video
That 300 blackout surface impact is freaking terrifying. That's like a cannon shot.
Great job with these vids! Both entertaining and informative.
The 556 was "by design" specifically to wound not kill.
L comment.. 5.56 is wicked lethal. In most cases more lethal than 7.62. At close range, 308 will likely go through and through with minimal exit damage because of weight and velo. It will knock you down, sure but 5.56 is more likely to tumble. And if it does go through, it will leave a massive, irreparable exit wound.
Last 300 shot should've been redone. Looked like it hit the wood first. This is driving me crazy 😭
Same
nah no way, it's the ricochet that hit it.
I thought so too but when you slow it down to .25x you can see a mark on the steel then the splintering of the wood.
@@JDs_RandomHandle nope if you skip with , and . you see it first hits the wood then it went up and hit the steel. That shot should had been redone.
Just a side note for anyone that cares; 300 blackout factory ammo is pretty good. But if you want to see the true versatility get a reloading press and start cranking out some rounds.
You have at your disposal the entire catalogue of 308 tips to choose from. Not only that but 1680/H110/N110 are cheap powders that absolutely shine in this caliber.
You can cut down 5.56 to make 300 brass or do what many of us do and praise the god of starline for 30cpc.
My entire life I’ve been a 5.56/.308 fanboy until I stumbled across reloading and realized the real Swiss Army knife of ballistics is among us. And its name is 300blk
I really wanna see 6.8 spc ii mild steel testing and barrier targets i got a feeling it would be good
300 blackout and 6.8 SPC will be a better comparison but 6.8 SPC got more velocity.
I'd really like to see this comparison re-done, using M855A1 green tip ball ammo (62 grain) for the 5.56 mm ammo. Pretty sure the 5.56 mm would produce more impressive results all the way around.
9:58 Hitting the wood with the 300 no doubt made the last round unfair.
What’s crazy is if you look close, that wood damage seems to be conical as if it’s purely from the backsplash of the bullet not penetrating through
I’ve changed all my 5.56 to 300 Blackout year ago. Cost more to shoot but way more fun.
Around the same cost these days!
I think the 300 got shafted on the last round. It definitely made contact with the wood in the vise before hitting the steel.
I was gonna say the same thing. Perhaps just enough to keep it from going thru the 3/8 steel.
That was from the fragmentation of the round after impact, not before.
I feel like within 300 meters, the .300 blkout in supersonic with some type of ballistic tip is the move. If you need raw power cheaply, 5.56 is a great option. 300 is soo... specialized. But it's your custom round for a few more applications.
The last test you should've done again, seeing it hit the wood before the steel. I'd imagine the results would be different.
Yeah I agree! Lots of energy was wasted on the wood before the steel
I think the wood was damaged from spalling, not impact before the steel.....
I think you need a 5/16" mild steel plate also, it might save you some 3/8" plates!!
@bananaballistics Why aren't you using 110 grain projectiles for the blackout?
.300 Blackout is much better for hunting than its 5.56 counterpart!
Green Tips would make quick work of that 1/4" plate
No, green tips are going slower. You need speed to get through steel. 55g will go through 3+ but green tips do not. Green tips were designed for barrier penetration aka glass, thin metal, concrete etc. but not steel plates or body armor that requires speed for penetration
Yeah, but so did the M193.
@@HatsuneM1ku01 Well, they go through 1/4" plate for me. Don't know what to tell you.
We've been taking .300 Blackout brass and necking it down to .224. I found this crappy old Colt rifle that was made almost 60 years ago, and this wildcat cartridge shoots just fine in it. You have to use ball powder and clean the rifle often, but it'll make an OK truck gun, I suppose.
I watched the 300 blackout on the thicker steel a couple of times and it's hard to tell if it hit the steel in the front of your rig first. There was what I am assuming was spall so the slow motion might have made it look like it just winged the rig.
I think we need a rematch and with a different camera.
I was not expecting that voice to come from that face. Great video! Even better voice. You should be announcing fights and movies!
When considering 5.56 remember that the velocity creates a massive shock wave inside of soft targets. This isn’t even close because 5.56 is an all around cartridge.
🤣 ur a joke
Time to go back to ur mom's basement skippy. The .300 will ALWAYS carry more energy to the target than the wee little 5.56.
Blackout was designed to do SBR and subsonic better than 5.56 ever could because 5.56 was never designed for either of those purposes. It's really all about putting either round into an appropriate setup. Seeing 5.56 without penetrator ammo being compared 300BLK in a 16" barrel does a nice job of comparing them, but when you take those two factors away and use both calibers appropriately, you really see them fulfill their roles. What I love about 300BLK though is the versatility it can have when you match appropriate ammo to barrel lengths. There's such a range in ammo choice with 300BLK that I have several shorties (6"-8.5") I shoot with heavy rounds and subs, a mid length (10.5") with 150gr and subs and long a (14") with 110s-123s for hunting. Using 5.56 casings and .308 bullets allows for a nice range of ammo choices and setups to match. I'd love to see this guy do a video comparing these matchups, maybe I should do one myself since I have the guns.
I cast my own 210 grain bullets and powder coat them. I don't consider a 300 BO bullet a heavy subsonic unless it's at least 200 grain but you may be talking bolt and I'm referring to the AR platform. To achieve consistent ejecting and round stripping in full auto I use 11.6 gr. of CFE BLK and a 210 gr. bullet which gives me an average 1050 fps.
@dacoelec yeah when I mentioned subsonic and heavy rounds I'm talking 200+ and and all my blackouts are in ARs
Concrete? Hmmm ... I didn't see any rocks in that block. Me thinks that was just Cement. 🤔
Great vids. Need more variety in projectiles used. Fort Scott Munitions 300 BO 115 grain solid copper would blow through more steel I would wager.
Yeah, Banana is terrible at picking 300blk . I think he has zero idea that with 30pblk your picking from dozens of ultra specific bullet characteristics vs a general purpose worldwide round.
556 vs 300blk in 11” barrel would be interesting
and fair, Thank you sir for an intelligent comment, they are rare
Results are if they hit something vital, get religious. Anything else, you have an extra hole, plug it and heal up.
Any medium has the potential of messing with trajectory...
Even tall grass .. More-so with long pointed projectiles...
Large heavy slugs like 45-70 will keep to the intended path like a freight train....
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Awesome video! Now do it at 400 Yards.
Going to go out on a limb here and say the 5.56 is the winner...
That limb just broke.
@@mortem-tyrannisperfect response 😂
@@khriskali1321 thank you sir. lol
At least the ground was soft...
@@surfstarcc1 you ok? It was to hard a fall?
Hoping you do another one of these with 77gr 5.56 and 110gr 300blk.
Dude your music in your videos are refreshing. It may sound corny but I’m sick of gun videos with hip hop techno music that you can barely hear the video. I’m a fan already.
Come on! The 5.56 is the over-hyped, underperforming rifle round in common use. It's a varmint round.
What bullet weights are you using? I'm sure us nerds would like to know brand of ammo as well. Thank you sir, great video. 👍🏻
Great video, its likely been said before but you remind me physically of a young Ray Romano with the voice of Brad Garrett
The 300 Whisper lives on... 🤠
This channel should have over a million subs. Keep it up 👍 ty!
That's why .300 blk is good for self defense... can be loaded at subsonic speeds and retains the mass for soft (body) targets.
I shoot 110 grain vmax at 2300fps out of my 300. It's no slouch. Great for hunting in overcrowded woods of Florida. And definitely capable taking 100 to 200 pound targets
i'll bet my life with Fat & Heavy, fast not always required to make a superior. absolutely, best review and awesome deep voice!
Like that steel stand made to order for most any test.
Great side by side comparison.
1 thing no one addresses in this type test is the larger caliber must move more metal to pass threw the same thickness, so if the penitration is the same the larger caliber wins
COMPLETELY different uses. Hey! Her's one for you, let's compare 4 acp to 22lr! Super scientific.
The better comparo would be 300 blackout vs 9mm! Since that was the intention of the cartridge.
Never in a million years would have thought that voice was coming out of this kid lol.
Great video. I'm learning stuff and my head doesn't hurt 😮
FFS penetration depends as much on the bullet construction as on the caliber, weight and velocity. You got to compare similarly-constructed projectiles. Otherwise one can use basic and LIGHT FMJ 300blk and compare it to M855A1. The result would be predictable and a foregone conclusion.
Great job as always!!!
Its all about carrying enough ammo, you can carry three times as much 5.56 just like 9mm virses 45.
I’ve been telling this to my friends and other 300 blackout just cause it’s a big round doesn’t mean it’s gonna be well it’s made for blinking shooting bullet shorter shell, less gunpowder higher grain on the bullet less velocity is from someone that did a lot of shooting that where the creator 300 blackout came from not for deli or military but now it is depending on the and the location it is a good CQB gun reliable as for shotgun and pistons for up closer quarters
never been a fan of 5.56, never will. give me 30 06 any day. velocity combined with mass. winner every time.
Could you tell us more about the cartridge used?
The shooters at the range I work at love the 300 blackout. Don't know much about it but they all love it.
Just recently discovered this channel. Dub'd immediately. It is niw my favorite firearms related channel! Great work!
300blk only needs 8" of barrel to reach max velocity, 5.56 18" thats the real reason why its better.
Its ~9" for approximately a full powder burn (which is fantastic), but longer barrels will absolutely yield higher velocities
Moving from ~8~9" to 16" gives ~15% more fps in general
300 blackout was never made to be shot from a 16in barrel, it actually loses alot of performance from doing so. It was made to be a sub 200 yard round shot from a 8-12in barrel.
You should talk about bullet load or post on your description bullet type, powder, grain etc... be interesting extra data. Plus barrel length and twist. Thanks for the video! Cool to see.
I like this test, but the optimal barrel length is different for both caliber’s. 11.5 is great for 300, but neuters 5.56
First timer in this channel, and I gotta say… there’s no way that you laugh in that same voice hahaha
You have so much fun with this i swear. Also, seems like 300 is a great and versatile round.
300BO for my CQB set up, 556 for med and 308 for long is my set up.