Believe it or not, there is still more that I haven't talked about or covered completely in this video. I could have gone over a few other details with Rhinedottir but I will save those for a different time. At any rate, in Part 2 we will be talking about "Dreams" a lot which is why that video involves Kaeya, Layla, and Paimon. It will be interesting, to say the least. *I will leave notes and additional information below as I find them* - Siegfried (the third cycle of The Ring of Nibelung) is also the name of Kiana's father, Siegfried Kaslana. - Fischl's Domain in the Golden Apple Archipelago limited-time event has a crack in the sky akin to the ones from Neuvillette's teaser and the Dream Realm of Jakob Ingold. Also similar to the one which the All-Devouring Narwhal (which is a Star Beast) makes. - The protagonist of the Legend of Saha, known as Misei Nana Tsuki, became the archetypal model for some of Hoyoverse’s biggest characters including but not limited to Aether, Kiana Kaslana, Kallen Kaslana, Qiqi, March 7th, Durandal, Theresa, Raiden Mei, Himeko Murata, Kevin Kaslana, Nahida, Rukkhadevata, Lumine, Paimon, Makoto, Robin, Beelzebul, Marius von Hagen, Cecilia Schariac, Siegfried Kaslana and the list goes on and on. - Weiyang mentions how during her time with her father, the Celestial Emperor, she was in charge of conducting trials and sentencing at the end. This runs in tandem with how Ereshkigal and Ishtar’s brother, Utu, also known as Shamash by the Akkadians, was the God of the Sun that could see everything that happened in the world every day and was therefore responsible for justice and protection of travellers and was thusly dubbed as the Divine Judge. - The "Judgement of Shamash" happens to be a God Key used by the Kaslana Family in Honkai. - Laevatain, the Sword of Mir and Khan the Asura, is said to have been the sword that burnt the world asunder during the war of the Gods. This is convenient because the sword in the context of Fontaine refers to the Traveler. The Traveler is said to be a monster and a calamity by the Black Serpent Knights and the Melusine Canotila calls him a Beast that will devour the world in a single bite. This description should be consistent with Nibelung and his sword (Third Descender). - Otto could be Dain rather than Irmin, but that's a different topic.
@@thependragone The Legend of the Shattered Halberd mentions two supreme divinities: the "God King" and the "Celestial Emperor" but the story does not state whether they are the same or different. In this video, I assumed that they are the same. However, you could make a different argument and say that they are different which changes things a lot actually. In that situation, Khan the Asura (who was a good friend of the Celestial Emperor) would be Irmin and the God King would be Nibelung while the Emperor would be the Primordial One.
Thanks for the awesome video. The cooking took a while but the result was delicious. Just wanted to add some info here about Gods/Deva, Humans & Asuras you mentioned about with an important detail you possibly missed. Hinduism & Zoroastrianism do the switcheroo with the concept of Deva & Asura. So you are correct on "who is evil" & "who is good" depends on which religion you follow probably. Zoroastrianism calls good god "Ahura Mazda" which has same indo-iranian source for the sanskrit word "Asura" aka "Daitya" mentioned in Hindu scriptures but they are the bad demigods in the hindu mythologies. Buddhism have similar concept around them being the evil creating chaos. In Hinduism, Celestial Gods are called "Deva". This includes the main Trinity gods Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva as well as the good gods & demigods who reside in heavens. God "Indra" being the king of the heavenly gods has various similaries to the gods of War, Rain & Thunder of other cultures. Zeus from Greek myths is a good example. Both Deva/Suras & Daitya/Asuras are basically cousin clans who are descendents of Brahma's son "Kashyapa" & his 2 wives. There are 3 realms "Loka" in hinduism, Devas reside in Heaven aka "Swarg loka", Humans live on Earth aka "Prithvi loka" usually linked with the female goddess Pritvi/Bhumi like greek goddess Gaia & Hell aka "Paataal loka" where Asuras reside. The whole ordeal between devas & asuras is about who gets to rule all the three realms/ lokas. Also, there is a legend where a powerful asura defeated all the devas & takes over heavens & could only be killed by a woman due to some boon. So, to defeat him, the devas gather a part of their powers to create a new female god to fight him. Now what you missed was that in sumeru, Aranaras call the Hillichurls "Deva/Devas". So, whether we go by Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, the theory of Khaenriahns being humans who became Gods of Celestia or they are related to Dragons actually has some validity.
Quick question- though im not sure how to word this, so my apologies! Would Dain rather be equated to Durandal rather than Otto? If we’re sticking with the idea of the third descender is Dain and he came to save his sister “Kiana”(aka the sustainer). Durandal would be a better fit for him no? i do see what you mean by he could be otto! Amazing video, keep up the good work! Have a great day :D!
@bandagesquanderingmachine679 Bruh...the literal first nation in the world is based on Germany, something being in made in China doesn't mean it's only going to have Chinese stuff in the story
If I remember correctly the Chasm was created when the Solar Chariot crashed and the ancient people there repaired it and flew to Celestia. That could explain there being Khaenri'ahns in Celestia. Also there has been a certain symbol that has slowly been popping up more and more that nobody has really mentioned much about. It's the big jade structure that they use in Chenyu Vale to perform the ritual, it's also at the top of the digital Irminsul tree in the Wanderer story quest, and is the same shape as the docks around Fontaine. That's just a few of the places it's been making it's subtle appearance. But in regards to it being on the top of the Irminsul tree, I do know that the Irminsul pillars typically had a nail driven into their tops to represent the seat of the family/clan head who was responsible for "Sustaining" the Family/Clan's "Principles". Sometimes this would be replaced with a carved figurehead which would make the Irminsul pillar look a lot like a statue of the seven.
42 minutes in: you might find it interesting - Narfidort is probably a misspelling. I noticed in Jp that they said it as "Nafidotto", which sounded similar to Rhinedottir (both are pronounced as "dotto" at the end and someone confirmed for me that this holds in Chinese too) - it's extremely likely that Narfidort is supposed to be Narfidottir, daughter of Narfi. Narfi was the father of Nott, the personification of the night. So Fischl's full title translates to "Fischl, Princess of Judgement, of the Castle in the Sky, Daughter of Narfi the Personified Night"
The people of Khaenri'ah are not based on ancient scandinavian/germanic people. They are based on the Holy Roman Empire, a germanic conglomerate of states, that had several extentions throughout the centuries till it became Prussia/Austria and then Germany and Austria. I say this because we know for sure that the order of knights, the Schwanenrittern, was an order of HRE knights AND the fact that the poem of the Black Serpents Knights we find in the Chasm is written in latin, thus making the Germanic people we met thus far from Khaenri'ah, somewhat istitutionally tied to Latin reigns (Remuria, since they were close to Fontaine?). Also, some names and titles of the guards we find in the notes on the giant ruin guards are real titles of HRE guards. Now, considering some historical points that both Liyue and Inazuma give us (the Sakoku decree, Liyue Piracy etc...) Genshin is probably set somewhere around 1600 AD, which would make the end of Khaenri'ah happen around 1100 AD, AROUND THE TIME THE REAL HRE STARTED TO BE CALLED "HOLY". It makes sense for a nation with no gods, to end when the gods wanted to make the empire Holy, right?
I really love your videos. You taught me so much about the logic behind Genshin's story. For example, I always knew that Fischl looked like Ereshkigal from Fate, but I just scoffed to "Oh haha, someone at Hoyoverse really like Ereshkigal"... However, now I know that Fischl looking like her runs so much deeper than what I thought (with the Night Mother). Thank you so much, really.
I don’t know if you mentioned it but it occurred to me as a bit of a haha funny thought when you were talking about Neuvillette’s “forgiveness”- the conversion of the PS water to real blood might be some sort of water to wine analogy, which sounds farfetched
Not farfetched at all! Focalors, Furina and Neuvillette all form a Jesus analogy. Furina as "the perfect human" born without sin and created just to suffer for the sake of humans, Focalors as the martyr on the cross, and Neuvillette as divine resurrection and the forgiveness of original sin.
I love listening to you. Thank you for providing us with these amazing theories, the amount of info and lore you're telling us is incredible. Its people like you who spark my curiosity and inspire me to keep continueing playing the game
This man has basically created a movie about a theory... I've already seen it twice and I'm here for a third because Wow. Something that I would like to add to the topic of the mother of the night and the primordial is something that is mentioned in a book called veras melancholy. The first is that in the story, the protagonist ends up meeting a knight from a space empire, who goes through the universe hunting space beings, throwing one of them through a portal through which the universe could be observed, similar to how Skirk did with the narwhal. The second thing is that eventually the protagonist meets the princess of the stellar empire, there it is mentioned that her father, the emperor, owns many worlds, one of them being a world where he left his servants in charge, and then went to sleep. leaving the princess watching over the empire. The third thing is that the book mentions the Oracle of Delphos (the one in our world) as well as a place found in Enkanomiya as the home of the protagonist. Finally, it is mentioned that the author of the book, who is anonymous, has not released the last chapter. That book, along with those mentioned in the video, have been there since day one of the game, which seemed to make no sense at that point, but seeing how the story of the game itself has progressed, each day they seem to have more relevance.
Ok, first of all, thank you so much for spelling out Flowers for Princess Fischl's lore and Legend of Shattered Halberds' lore, it helped so much with the details that I haven't wrap my head around it 🙏 I have some comments but I guess I'll save it for the second part of this video... but I'll say some anyway: for 16:34 & 19:14 I always go back to Byakuyakoku vol. 5 no. 6 riddle, where Istaroth is both primordial child of her own descendants (pale and dark) and the mother of 14 billion years (when I searched for this, apparently it's an approximate age of the universe?) so I guess Ereshkigal being the night mother also makes sense, like in Focalors-Furina/Ei/Nahida situation? (I think the distinction is not that necessary) Also, someone said that Istaroth might be the portmantaeu of Isthar + Thoth? If I had to put it in Sumeru math and force it: Phanes = Deshret Istaroth = GoF (Nabu in Nabu Malikata = scribe = Thoth) (somewhere they split into Sumeru playables?) Deshret = Al-Haitham (Thoth) + Kaveh (Ishtar, because red ~ dawn?) GoF = Nilou (Ishtar?) + Dori (Thoth = hermes = merchant) (Dori because she introduced Nilou and Kaveh made Palace of Alcazarzaray for her, and pink and have jinn) And to think that Barbeloth added 'Trismegistus' for her name (?) *Edit: -Sorry, forgot to add why is it Dori's pink hair; Vourukasha wearer in TCG wear Nilou's wardrobe (minus the horns?) but with pink hair (might be just a pilgrim but still, the queen/heir in BP trailer has pink hair) -I didn't give enough information about Dori introduced Nilou 🤦♀, there's a reason but that's just my speculation ... I know you're cooking Kaeya/Layla content (ever since you mentioned Kaeya, I really look forward to it) but I just wondering... if you would consider Diluc into this? Like you know, he is, glaringly red? (...might a good add for the sword thing, along with Dainsleif/Surtalogi?) Also, I don't know if you think what I think, but... consider Candace too? (especially about Fischl and eyes)
When you put it THAT way.... Phanes... is Deshret... is Irmin?! Will we find out that he was also REMUS?! We already know that he has "unsurpassed authority" and shared governance of Remuria with four humans of great capability known as the Four Harmosts. And this would fit in perfectly with the theory of there being four samsaras. Every major civilization was just Phanes rebuilding all over again?! ...This would ALSO imply that Phanes is NOT the current ruler of Celestia, since Deshret opposed Celestia. ....Could this mean that Phanes is also Nibelung and NOT the Heavenly Principles? Are the Primordial One and the Dragon King THE SAME BEING?! We know that Nibelung sought forbidden knowledge to oppose "the Usurper" just as Deshret sought forbidden knowledge to oppose Celestia, just as Irmin used forbidden knowledge to oppose Celestia... UNLESS Unless each of those incarnations were one of the four shining shades? Phanes, Remus, Deshret, AND Irmin? And Nibelung was the original bearer of the "crown of reason" or Logos? But then... could that make Istaroth something else entirely? Perhaps she's the USURPER?!
Please never stop making these hour long lore theories I love them so much and they are always so interesting. Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into these!!
Amy's father is definitely king Irmin. Her story suggests that he just got...imagined into the story along with or same as her forgetful mother (irminsul). And that while he initially was her greatest support, he eventually turned against her. He kept saying that it's time to grow up, something like Kevin Kaslana in his boss fight against the three valkyries.
20:31 For those who are unaware, Cai Haoyu was recently the subject of an enormous amount of backlash and criticism (primarily from the CN player base) due to the Dr. Ration/Genshin rewards drama. Unfortunately, most of the backlash he got was from people who don't understand game design (or business in general) and think that due to his position as Genshin's Lead Producer, he is responsible for EVERY decision in the company. People were insulting him and comparing him to Honkai: Star Rail's Producer and saying that he should resign from the company. Look, I ain't tynna defend a multi-millionaire but at the same time, whether you like him or not, without Cai Haoyu, Genshin (and Honkai in general) would never have existed. That guy legit eats and breathes Genshin. He is responsible for so much in the story.
I read somewhere that he left HYV Shanghai HQ a while ago since ppl found his registry in Singapore. And some said that he is directing the North America branch. Because the last time we see him is in the GDC talk video. So he could just be not the producer anymore. But he is a very important guy who pushes the game, he is technically very smart and is probably directly involved on how Genshin was coded in the first place
Is he who makes part of the lore? That doesn't make much sense, isnt he just the guy who manages the money part of genshin as a whole? And the story/lore is relegated to another team?
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 Producers are the main guys handling management, yes. But it's a good thing to keep in mind that game development is not so rigid that a producer can't have a hand in other fields of the project, though perhaps on a smaller scale. It's probably impossible to know how involved he is in the project without insider knowledge. But yes, there's also another team that handles the writing and keeping a tab on all of the story beats throughout. Whether or not Cai Haoyu works with said team beyond just management (though less involved I imagine since that is not his main job), I have no idea tbh, I'm not the most familiar with the development team for Genshin.
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 The Leader producer oversees everything. And knowing that Cai Haoyu made The Legend of Saha, there is a reason Genshin's story is so similar to that one. He likely played a huge role in the world-building of Genshin.
You, Ashikai and Wei are honestly the reason why i like genshin so much, i cant really think of any other game (other than like FNAF with matpat) where the lore just opens up so many discussions to be had and theories to be made. Its actually amazing, and even if i dont play the game that much I'm still dedicated to keeping up with the lore. And its thanks to you that im so involved!!
Each time when someone talking about dragon making real blood from primordial see water. I have only one thing on my mind, what if it was some form of chemical marriage... idk dragon+God/ descender
Iraq is a part of so many things. That country has a vibrant history and the civilizations that lived in it played major roles throughout time. Genshin is just one of thousands of media inspired by Mesopotamian/Persian history.
Otto being Irmin would be great and if he is then i can see irmin giving task to dainslief to save someone irmin cherished(probably the spirit of the world tree) and dainslief taking the ring of nibelung with him to surface and trying to find the one who can use it and save the one irmin wanted to but i personally believe king irmin would be alive but corrupted by abyssal knowledge losing even what was left of him and us fighting irmin alongside dainslief might prove we are worthy to save that one person and irmin finally sacrificing himself to fix the ruined system of the world and we ascending to godhood and knowing paimon is the fate that has took the task to guide us And i get the chills thinking all of this was planned by phanes the father of gods of teyvat Also I don't think irmin has become primordial one but it is possible someone has tried to become one Why I don't is mainly because of the line "the keeper is fading away, the creator has yet to arrive, but world shall burn no more for you shall ascend" and the name card saying the stars path shall intertwine once again might say teyvat has been keeping eye on twins close proximity and knee they have been traveling to worlds far in stars Also I don't believe genshin lore would be as you said cuz they tend to mix mythos events with tales and legends it will it would most likely change alot
@@nayayam i don't think his task is to save nahida his task seems to be something else if he had that task he could've destroyed sages long ago It feels like whoever needs the saving is either in abyss or outside the firmament And in this text by spirit of the world tree i think someone else not nahida exactly
@@nayayam i mean nahida is just an avatar of the irminsul more like an entity created to fix it when it needs to be and considering how much genshin's story team likes fairy tales and myths it wouldn't be surprising to have an actual incarnation of irminsul
No words. I don't even know why I'm leaving this comment. Just, great video and an epic retelling of The Legend of Saha's story (your voice & energy made it sound so hype). I feel like you just put my brain in the oven and guess what, IT'S COOKED!
This... This is too confusing. I am also one of those who ends up _"opening parentheses inside of parentheses inside of square brackets"_ while explaining complex stuff, but this video takes it to another level - introducing concepts upon concepts while not developing ANYTHING in order to *"save it for later",* while going at it at a neck-breaking pace. *Please consider redoing this one as a series or something, where you introduce each aspect or important point of interest to it's full scope before introducing something new in another video and finally building upon everything on your conclusions.*
I would like to point out that if there is a possibility Otto is Irmin and Fischl is Irmin's daughter, the visual similarity between the two characters is way too close to be a coincidence (same hair, same eyes). I know playable Fischl isn't the real one, BUT I feel like this could have been done on purpose just like with the name Amy.
We know otto was no stranger to messing with the imaginary tree so wouldn't it be funny if either him or void archives(as him) somehow ended up in Teyvat, becoming the first decender. It seems like they reserved the void archives thing for star rail lore though so i don't think its likely at all but i do wonder if they are going to add any direct honkai impact references at some point.
Also adding onto the point about seelies being tied to dragons, all the confirmed dragons we've seen so far have also been based on varieties of sea slug! Dvalin is inspired by the Glaucus atlanticus, Azdaha (yes he's a gray area but shhh) is inspired by the Sea Hare, Apep was inspired by the Melibe viridis, etc- neuv and the melusines have sea slug inspirations too but I don't feel like putting effort into remembering which ones LOL
Woah, this was amazing. I just caught up after a +2 yr break and now I almost feel like I've been spoiled lol! Well done, really, can't wait for part 2.
This entire video was just me going wait what!!!! You cooked so much and I’m in awe. Now I’m just thinking about the next vid having Kaeya and Layla in it since I guess based on this theory, Kaeya is at least partially a dragon(?) and another one of your theories did link the “elves” in Genshin to dragons
i always thought amy looked a lot like otto apocalypse and fischl looked a lot like ereshkigal. my brain is imploding from the sheer amount of connections being made from this theory holy shit also if the fatui harbingers are representations of the 12 apostles and tartaglia is representing john, does that mean he saw the night mother, fischl, in the abyss or somewhere else? (i just want an interaction between these two so bad they are my top 2 favorite characters) edit: also, why does amy(fischl) have so many fatui leimotifs in ALL of her themesongs?
Note by a German: To translate Gesamtkunstwerk as "the complete work of art" is literally correct but that's not what it means. Wagner's works were considered "Gesamtkunstwerke" because he planned and created everything that went into the production (music, lyrics, stage directions etc.) to fit together in his idea of the story. So, it's a collection of all the arts coming together in one project through the hands of one person. Yup, it's a bit more complicated than "the complete work of art".
@@amouramarie It could! But you could also refer to a weapon as Gesamtkunstwerk, if lots of different techniques and arts went into it. I have no idea how they used the word... it is usually specifically reserved for Wagner's works (which a lot if people really like but it's like really pompous and very Wagner in the way that he was an awful Nazi)
It'd be wild if istaroth told dain to kill king irmin, and had a piece of the king soul of body placed inside the abyss twin while the gnosis were other pieces of irmins soul or body....irmin dodged his fate by using the abyss twin as a vessel to obscure his existence or fate. he's corrupted and needed to have his purest part put into something while the rest of his body was given to the archons....? something like that...
So the King of the Seelies which are khaenrians went full Otto Apocalypse mode "Naw i want all the power" pulled out his Polymerization card fused with some random Alien beast to body his own god to then make Teyvat into his domain. Then some other aliens (2nd descender) invaded cuz he fused with one the star beasts and both after their fight were too exausted to fight off the 3rd Alien invasion alone so Irmin and the 2nd bodied the 3rd together after which he cooked up the the gnosis, celestia and archon system to keep the world in check while he goes to sleep. L;ikely using the ascenders which were granted visions by the system as fuel or soldiers to claim what was once his again?
I always thought that Irmin was the gardener of the Phanes in the "Before Sun & Moon" book. Irmin, referenced as the Irminsul and the King Irmin, is associated with one-eyed Odin. Yes, the Gnostic Chorus Kingdom is Khaenriah, not Celestia. The symbol on the carpet is the same as the one on the door of Khaenriah. Finally, someone mentioned the Star of Ishtar in Genshin Impact. There are so many Star of Ishtar symbols, like on the door of Khaenriah and the symbol of Snezhnaya. Yes, Irmin has a relationship with Ishtar because Ishtar gave him the forbidden knowledge, regrowing the destroyed tree with the same knowledge. I thought that the Primordial One, the creator, could not be Phanes, but Istaroth could be Phanes, the demiurge, the serpent. Phanes is born with a serpent on his body, but the demiurge Lucifer is the serpent itself, and I have evidence that the serpent is Phanes. When the snake in the gnostic chorus pours out its venom, its purple power also goes away, and only red remains. I attribute this to the fact that Phanes brought the forbidden knowledge to Teyvat and drowned the realm of light, which was the true heaven, into nothingness, turning it into the abyss. So, I think Irmin is the Monad Nibelung, the lord of the abyss who has the ring (Der Ring des Nibelungen), the Ring of Solomon. We also saw many knots of Solomon in Genshin Impact, and the knot of Solomon represents the four shades in Babylonian mythology. There was a story about the usurpation of Ashmedai, who stole the seal of Solomon and acted like him, and Genshin uses the name of Asmoday, not Asmodeus from Ars Goetia. So, the Ring of Solomon is the red power, and in the War of Khaenriah, Asmoday has the red power, but actually, she has a golden power (Geo or something associated with light). So, I think Irmin, the heroic king of Khaenriah, is Nibelung. Also, Nibelung is the primordial one, the light dragon born from an egg, the name of which was Aether, created by Chronos and Ananke (mother of Fate Sisters Moirais, and there is a Moira reference in Genshin). To receive a Vision is to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world - to Heimarmene, and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path. Heimarmene is the Moirais themselves, so the three gods of Celestia we saw in the manga are the Fate Sisters. The triquetra represents them, the ruler of past, the ruler of future, and the ruler of present. But that story does not actually fit the canon lore, but what if the real history was rewritten because Istaroth has full authority over Irminsul, and we actually know that in the "Before Sun & Moon" book, she betrayed the Primordial One. She made the continuity of the forbidden knowledge. Sorry about my bad English. I'm so excited right now. You are the best theory creator on RUclips. Before you, nobody talked about Ananke Moirais and the Star of Ishtar. The true antagonist is Ishtar, and Paimon is Lucifer's most loyal servant, and probably Paimon is the servant of Istaroth, so Istaroth is Lucifer, the fallen angel.
"Abyss mages use the Enochian language, which is the language of angels. Prophet Enoch learned that knowledge from angels, so the abyss is the heaven itself, the real heaven. I also think that the forbidden knowledge is the Void, maybe the Void Archive or just a creature /organysm who needs a host body. This creature stole the bodies and powers of Irmin and Istaroth (he can't affect time; he saw us in the memories). The Nibelung and Irmin say the same thing: the void that devours all things. There's also one point in the Celestia model where we saw that star, maybe the Star of Ishtar, on the tower at the center (so Istaroth is the ruler of Celestia)."
This video was great, its amazing how you can make all these connections. I love how Genshin depicts cosmology from around the world and connects so many regions that way
I was too focused on "In a distant causality, if the philosopher 'Zarathustra' was not chosen, then the 'opera writer' would have gained victory in the contest over the will of the world" Nietzsche was Wagner's Bestfriend until they wasn't. the will of the world, I mean Nietzsche always talks about will. The will of Power. the Ubermesch, the Transcendence of human. Also what it needs to be a 'Descender'? yes the WILL. also remember Nietzsche most quoted quote? "God is dead, we kill him blablabla", i ll stop editing my comment and let it be like this. I'm sorry I just enjoying the easter egg. also there are soo many nietzsche and wagner influence in this game just like how jung and freud in any eastern pop culture media.
Love the amount of effort and research that goes into your videos. I can not for the life of me make these kind of connections, so it's always fascinating listening to others ideas. I would dearly love a collab with you and Ashikai as you both have touched on similar things (specifically in this video, the time travel stuff where she put out a vid on Istaroth and the concept of Eternalism/Block Time). Looking forward to part 2 and the Layla vids! :)
Yea, many people brought up this topic before. It is not necessarily inconsistent... It is just very sussy as if events that happened shouldn't have happened, or they already took place before.
Beyond everything else this intricate and intriguing video portrays, your equivalence with the Fatui as the 12 Disciples, Dainslief as Jesus, and the dragon sovereigns as archangels and the archons as demon lords certainly stood out to me, especially in showcasing Neuvillette's disdain and eventual judgement of the archons and Heavenly Principles he, by nature and celestial history, opposes as divine retribution Ah, to think we are betrayed into believing we are fighting against evil when in reality we are fighting for demons against Love What a reversal the journeys end and Revelation will be! Always so fascinating and what profound production quality and theory crafting
Let's see 😶🌫️ *Edit* Well...I've had the same theory for a year now. Regarding your quote comparing Deins to Jesus, for Gnosticism Sophia (wisdom) would be the other party. Particularly, I have a theory of my own that I have already considered. We cannot forget that in the tale of the "spirit tree", the gardener is in love with the spirit of the tree. And the one who advises him is the priest (Istaroth). Could Rukadevata be the spirit of Irminsul? Yes. But we cannot forget that Istaroth was a symbol of fertility, as was the dendro archon. She may have been the holder of knowledge about Irminsul, being the shadow of life (one of the three moons). But, we have a strong candidate for the 4th sister of the moon. "Seelie" Seelie it also means soul (spirit of Irminsul), and by coincidence, she was the love of the traveler who came from far away, and whom she married in the lunar palace, in the presence of the sisters of the moon. This marriage would it be possible for her to be part of the lunar palace, being one of the 4 shadows, with a specific job: to be the soul of Irminsul (true kaleen and not just a clone), like Theresa who replaced Kaleen ( Ruka replaced Seelie). Remember that Kaleen did not share love with Otto, but rather had a relationship with Yae (by coincidence, the sacred Sakura grew up in Inazuma, where Yae lives). The royal gardener was advised to cut a branch and plant it again and it would take 500 years for it to grow. We have reference to Ruka and Nahida, but what happened in Kaenriah was 500 years ago (Nahida's lifetime). Considering this, for the king to need to cut down the tree with the greatest celestial power, he could be sacrificing one of his shadows for a possible war that "wounded" him or to the "kingdom", to restore the power, which came through the tree. The gardener (Deins?) was against this idea and asked the shadow (Istaroth) for help, who promptly helped him. Which brings us to Deins be a possible traitor to the kingdom. Now let's consider...What if the tree spirit is a Seelie, who was married in the lunar palace, and who married the gardener responsible for protecting the branch? And if this act made the king (Otto) get angry and take one of his shadows (Asmodeus, to become mother of the night?) According to the theory, there was the Babylonian goddess sister of iStar, who would be associated with the mother of the night. This fixes perfect, two sisters and one of them holding a chalice on the beast (couldn't the chalice be one of the artifacts that symbolize Pahnes' shadows?) Being in your unnatural state, There was a war between the 3 moons (Istaroth, Paymon and Asmodeus), because the first two did not agree with Asmodeus in going against the other "sister" shadow, punishing her and her love. In this I stick to the myth of the 3 goddesses and their specific role in men's lives. Perhaps the reign that did not pass from one to another has a bearing on the thread of the destiny of human beings, starting with Dainsleif and Seelie. So we have: Kaleen/ Seelie, Ruka/ Thereza, Unknown Goddess/Kiana, Paymon(?) , all shades of Pahnes: (clones and original)
I used to be under the impression that King Irmin made some sort of deal with Nibelung in the dragon's final moments and that was maybe part of the reason why Irmin was lowkey worshipped by the Khaenri'ahns, because he merged with Nibelung?? so in that sense Nibelung & Irmin would both be the Monad---- but watching this vid definitely made me doubt that! I;m not entirely convinced et though. Irmin being the Primordial One= Celestia= Demiurge was not on my list 😆. this was a fascinating video!! so much to digest and mull over, i will be rewatching everyday until part 2 is released! I still have so many questions about Kaeya, Dainsleif and the ring--- if Dain had the ring right after the events of the Cataclysm, where is it now?? Did a certain eyepatch wearing thief/pirate steal it? 🧐
quick correction on aeneas: he’s a roman character- he was a minor character in the iliad, but that was about it before that. he was written as the first hero of rome and an ancestor of romulus and remus below is a random ramble about vergil and the aeneid because i’m a nerd vergil was a prominent poet in rome, and the aeneid was inspired by the iliad and odyssey. it was commissioned by the emperor at the time (augustus i think) to make rome look really cool basically. this is not to downplay the talent vergil had because he was an incredible writer but basically it was a commissioned fanfic that was like. really good i recommend it, vergil has amazing imagery and despite him writing it as an epic poem it’s very much a narrative. i’m studying ancient history and cultures as one of my minors in college and i find vergil’s writing to be some of the best. and catullus and caesar’s writings are really entertaining like i was laughing so hard but i’m getting off track tldr aeneas is roman
This was super interesting but also suuuuper confusing withh all the different names and themes and gosh. The speed? English isn't my first language, so keeping up here is quite the challenge that I failed at. Still, great mind, great video. Love the real excitement one is able to hear :D
When you mention an alien star beast CHOOSING King Irmin and turning him into the Magnum Opus... Which is colored red to signify Rubedo... King Deshret is often referred to as the Scarlet King or the Red-Crowned King... And the word "Deshret" is specifically an Egyptian word for "red one" referring to the red crown of lower Egypt. ....Now I'm wondering if King Deshret was also King Irmin. I've been thinking for a LONG TIME that King Deshret must have been the Third Descender and the Sinner both, and I still like that theory best, but it's an interesting idea to consider.
@@amouramarie - It was slightly mentioned once, but I'm not sold on it yet. I just figure he's the most likely option for who could be the Third Descender, whose remains were used to create the Gnoses, because it was said that he had mastered all the elements. Which is not something that's said about normal humans, nor King Irmin. I don't think it was ever said about Deshret that he had only one eye, but that IS said about Irmin.
@AndrewsMobs - it's actually becoming less likely that Nibelung is a Descender at all. King Deshret was most certainly an outlander, but prooobably isn't a full Descender. One of the best theories I've seen so far is that humans stole Nibelung's wish-granting dragon pearl (the genesis pearl) and used it to take over Teyvat and make it their own - plus gaining immortality and other powers in the process. Such that all the "gods" of Teyvat, and all of the people of Khaen'riah, are actually just humans from other worlds. Dainslef is the human remains of the Third Descender.
So idk if anyone has made this connection as of yet, but... If the traveler is called the morning star, i.e. lucifer in Christianity, would that make the fatui harbingers; director; and the tsariesta all Jesus and his apostles? Just thought of this at 5 mins into the video.
You know whats absolutely funny, I put this video on before going to bed so that I can fall asleep after studying. I've "watched" it for like 4 times 😹
Ya know, looking back on this video after Perinheri, I had a thought. You suggest that all the gods of Celestia are actually all humans from Khaen'riah. Perinheri... might confirm this. I've been trying to figure out WHY the pure-blooded people of Khaen'riah would be different from people from other nations in Teyvat, and then it hit me... Khaen'riah isn't in Teyvat. It's on the outside of it. Or on the edge of it. The people of Khaen'riah are 100% people from OUTSIDE of Teyvat, from other worlds. Refugees escaping destruction by the Abyss. They are humans who do not belong in Teyvat and are not subject to its laws! And I think all the non-humans we've been encountering and hearing about are the same. King Deshret claimed to be a son of the sky and knew nothing of the seelie. He was from outside Teyvat to begin with! Maybe ALL the gods were, including Zhongli and Guizhong, who are said to have "descended" onto Teyvat long ago.
Yea. Some Gods were made by other Gods (God of Life --> Egeria --> Focalor). But the really ancient ones could have started out as humans (Amun, Morax, Haagentus).
What if Misei is the second who came and defeated celestia and sits on the throne? And she endgame boss actually? Also I wonder if Kate Kaslana is gonna be a thing cause her design reminds me a lot of Misei
HOLY SHIT. Why the fuck did I never make the connection with the unified civilization of the Bible with _Genshin's_ unified civilization?! Well, probably because I'm not much of a biblical scholar. DAMN. That MUST be deliberate. That feels like a "hit the nail on the head" connection. The OG language everyone spoke could be the basic magic of the world (perhaps alchemy/khemia?)... while the languages split up so no one could understand each other could be that magic pieced out into the seven separated elements. Oooh, the Spiral Abyss as the Tower of Babylon is awesome. It also gives great importance to the Spiral Abyss, rather than the kind of inexplicable, random place it is now. I wonder if Amy is the actual reincarnation of Princess Fischl. There could be relevance to the fact that Oz is an actual sentient being; we just accept it because magic, even though it is absolutely weird. Or, I guess he could be a manifestation of Fischl herself? Like an electro puppet that Fischl is unconsciously controlling, but. I dunno, nothing would surprise me, honestly. Oh, so the Primordial One is the Magnum Opus, the Philosopher's Stone? And he wanted to save some of the seelie-dragons of the original world, so turned them into Khaenri'ahns? >.> I think I'm losing the plot.
'Alberich, the servant of the Celestial emperor who stole the national treasure from the Moon sisters' 47:45. Did anyone recalled the story of the dagger bandit? Who was played by Kaeya, and Alberich. (and who had a red eye on the side Kaeya's is hidden)
John being Childe could make sense. Childe was taken out of the world, just like how John was taken out of the world during revelations. If Childe is also the reincarnated 3rd descender, he may become a 'traveller' of sorts and join us in the end
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Believe it or not, there is still more that I haven't talked about or covered completely in this video. I could have gone over a few other details with Rhinedottir but I will save those for a different time. At any rate, in Part 2 we will be talking about "Dreams" a lot which is why that video involves Kaeya, Layla, and Paimon. It will be interesting, to say the least.
*I will leave notes and additional information below as I find them*
- Siegfried (the third cycle of The Ring of Nibelung) is also the name of Kiana's father, Siegfried Kaslana.
- Fischl's Domain in the Golden Apple Archipelago limited-time event has a crack in the sky akin to the ones from Neuvillette's teaser and the Dream Realm of Jakob Ingold. Also similar to the one which the All-Devouring Narwhal (which is a Star Beast) makes.
- The protagonist of the Legend of Saha, known as Misei Nana Tsuki, became the archetypal model for some of Hoyoverse’s biggest characters including but not limited to Aether, Kiana Kaslana, Kallen Kaslana, Qiqi, March 7th, Durandal, Theresa, Raiden Mei, Himeko Murata, Kevin Kaslana, Nahida, Rukkhadevata, Lumine, Paimon, Makoto, Robin, Beelzebul, Marius von Hagen, Cecilia Schariac, Siegfried Kaslana and the list goes on and on.
- Weiyang mentions how during her time with her father, the Celestial Emperor, she was in charge of conducting trials and sentencing at the end. This runs in tandem with how Ereshkigal and Ishtar’s brother, Utu, also known as Shamash by the Akkadians, was the God of the Sun that could see everything that happened in the world every day and was therefore responsible for justice and protection of travellers and was thusly dubbed as the Divine Judge.
- The "Judgement of Shamash" happens to be a God Key used by the Kaslana Family in Honkai.
- Laevatain, the Sword of Mir and Khan the Asura, is said to have been the sword that burnt the world asunder during the war of the Gods. This is convenient because the sword in the context of Fontaine refers to the Traveler. The Traveler is said to be a monster and a calamity by the Black Serpent Knights and the Melusine Canotila calls him a Beast that will devour the world in a single bite. This description should be consistent with Nibelung and his sword (Third Descender).
- Otto could be Dain rather than Irmin, but that's a different topic.
misei nana tsuki is the real primordial one cuz damn
@@thependragone The Legend of the Shattered Halberd mentions two supreme divinities: the "God King" and the "Celestial Emperor" but the story does not state whether they are the same or different.
In this video, I assumed that they are the same. However, you could make a different argument and say that they are different which changes things a lot actually.
In that situation, Khan the Asura (who was a good friend of the Celestial Emperor) would be Irmin and the God King would be Nibelung while the Emperor would be the Primordial One.
Thanks for the awesome video. The cooking took a while but the result was delicious.
Just wanted to add some info here about Gods/Deva, Humans & Asuras you mentioned about with an important detail you possibly missed.
Hinduism & Zoroastrianism do the switcheroo with the concept of Deva & Asura. So you are correct on "who is evil" & "who is good" depends on which religion you follow probably.
Zoroastrianism calls good god "Ahura Mazda" which has same indo-iranian source for the sanskrit word "Asura" aka "Daitya" mentioned in Hindu scriptures but they are the bad demigods in the hindu mythologies.
Buddhism have similar concept around them being the evil creating chaos.
In Hinduism, Celestial Gods are called "Deva". This includes the main Trinity gods Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva as well as the good gods & demigods who reside in heavens. God "Indra" being the king of the heavenly gods has various similaries to the gods of War, Rain & Thunder of other cultures. Zeus from Greek myths is a good example.
Both Deva/Suras & Daitya/Asuras are basically cousin clans who are descendents of Brahma's son "Kashyapa" & his 2 wives.
There are 3 realms "Loka" in hinduism, Devas reside in Heaven aka "Swarg loka", Humans live on Earth aka "Prithvi loka" usually linked with the female goddess Pritvi/Bhumi like greek goddess Gaia & Hell aka "Paataal loka" where Asuras reside.
The whole ordeal between devas & asuras is about who gets to rule all the three realms/ lokas.
Also, there is a legend where a powerful asura defeated all the devas & takes over heavens & could only be killed by a woman due to some boon. So, to defeat him, the devas gather a part of their powers to create a new female god to fight him.
Now what you missed was that in sumeru, Aranaras call the Hillichurls "Deva/Devas".
So, whether we go by Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, the theory of Khaenriahns being humans who became Gods of Celestia or they are related to Dragons actually has some validity.
Zhongli vid when
Quick question- though im not sure how to word this, so my apologies!
Would Dain rather be equated to Durandal rather than Otto? If we’re sticking with the idea of the third descender is Dain and he came to save his sister “Kiana”(aka the sustainer). Durandal would be a better fit for him no? i do see what you mean by he could be otto!
Amazing video, keep up the good work! Have a great day :D!
"WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE-" King Irmin. Irminsul. Irmin's Soul. That's why.
Hoyoverse's lifeline is puns that's why.
The game is in chine-
@@bandagesquanderingmachine679where is Chine? 😉😂
BRO
@bandagesquanderingmachine679 Bruh...the literal first nation in the world is based on Germany, something being in made in China doesn't mean it's only going to have Chinese stuff in the story
This man lives in a room surrounded by pin-boards covered in pictures and documents that are interconnected with red string. Respect.
i'd like nothing more than an hour long conversation between this guy and ashikai .. 2 of the most cracked people on earth .. and let all hells loose
Yes please
I second this. Make it happen!
Please, please 🙏
Ashiloth and Surtanamefornow lol
yes omg that would be so good
So the Khaenri'ahns basically messed up really badly and brought a bunch of alien star beasts that took over Teyvat?
Yup, pretty much.
@@DragonMJE bloodborne theme intensifies!!
Yep. That’s exactly how it was presented even back in 2.0- aliens!
It is said that rhinedottir unleashed abyss monsters into teyvat so it might be it
Why it looks like us lol??? Our science is tryna find aliens which might have power to rule us sooo
Ayo I didn't fatten up Paimon just for someone else to eat her.
I swear i would have pinned your comment if I didn't have one where I post additional information about the vid
Lmao
The longer the video goes on, the more unhinged the narration sounds and I love it XD
This is what Honkaiverse lore does to a person
Not for the faint of hearth
1 hour video of a theory that sounds completely bat shit insane? COUNT ME IN
If I remember correctly the Chasm was created when the Solar Chariot crashed and the ancient people there repaired it and flew to Celestia. That could explain there being Khaenri'ahns in Celestia.
Also there has been a certain symbol that has slowly been popping up more and more that nobody has really mentioned much about. It's the big jade structure that they use in Chenyu Vale to perform the ritual, it's also at the top of the digital Irminsul tree in the Wanderer story quest, and is the same shape as the docks around Fontaine. That's just a few of the places it's been making it's subtle appearance. But in regards to it being on the top of the Irminsul tree, I do know that the Irminsul pillars typically had a nail driven into their tops to represent the seat of the family/clan head who was responsible for "Sustaining" the Family/Clan's "Principles". Sometimes this would be replaced with a carved figurehead which would make the Irminsul pillar look a lot like a statue of the seven.
Dude I'm literally watching older videos waiting for this one 😂
I'm only 27 minutes in and my brain's already cooked 🤣
42 minutes in: you might find it interesting - Narfidort is probably a misspelling. I noticed in Jp that they said it as "Nafidotto", which sounded similar to Rhinedottir (both are pronounced as "dotto" at the end and someone confirmed for me that this holds in Chinese too) - it's extremely likely that Narfidort is supposed to be Narfidottir, daughter of Narfi. Narfi was the father of Nott, the personification of the night. So Fischl's full title translates to "Fischl, Princess of Judgement, of the Castle in the Sky, Daughter of Narfi the Personified Night"
I agree with this. I was wondering what is Narfi connection to Fischl in her name. Him being her father and her being Nott makes sense for that
The people of Khaenri'ah are not based on ancient scandinavian/germanic people. They are based on the Holy Roman Empire, a germanic conglomerate of states, that had several extentions throughout the centuries till it became Prussia/Austria and then Germany and Austria. I say this because we know for sure that the order of knights, the Schwanenrittern, was an order of HRE knights AND the fact that the poem of the Black Serpents Knights we find in the Chasm is written in latin, thus making the Germanic people we met thus far from Khaenri'ah, somewhat istitutionally tied to Latin reigns (Remuria, since they were close to Fontaine?). Also, some names and titles of the guards we find in the notes on the giant ruin guards are real titles of HRE guards. Now, considering some historical points that both Liyue and Inazuma give us (the Sakoku decree, Liyue Piracy etc...) Genshin is probably set somewhere around 1600 AD, which would make the end of Khaenri'ah happen around 1100 AD, AROUND THE TIME THE REAL HRE STARTED TO BE CALLED "HOLY". It makes sense for a nation with no gods, to end when the gods wanted to make the empire Holy, right?
I really like your reasoning and where you're going with it.
I really love your videos. You taught me so much about the logic behind Genshin's story. For example, I always knew that Fischl looked like Ereshkigal from Fate, but I just scoffed to "Oh haha, someone at Hoyoverse really like Ereshkigal"... However, now I know that Fischl looking like her runs so much deeper than what I thought (with the Night Mother).
Thank you so much, really.
I don’t know if you mentioned it but it occurred to me as a bit of a haha funny thought when you were talking about Neuvillette’s “forgiveness”- the conversion of the PS water to real blood might be some sort of water to wine analogy, which sounds farfetched
Not farfetched at all! Focalors, Furina and Neuvillette all form a Jesus analogy. Furina as "the perfect human" born without sin and created just to suffer for the sake of humans, Focalors as the martyr on the cross, and Neuvillette as divine resurrection and the forgiveness of original sin.
@@amouramarie Phenomenal symbolism and depiction!
This guy is something else bro.
His theory crafting is on a different level
I love listening to you. Thank you for providing us with these amazing theories, the amount of info and lore you're telling us is incredible. Its people like you who spark my curiosity and inspire me to keep continueing playing the game
This man has basically created a movie about a theory... I've already seen it twice and I'm here for a third because Wow.
Something that I would like to add to the topic of the mother of the night and the primordial is something that is mentioned in a book called veras melancholy.
The first is that in the story, the protagonist ends up meeting a knight from a space empire, who goes through the universe hunting space beings, throwing one of them through a portal through which the universe could be observed, similar to how Skirk did with the narwhal.
The second thing is that eventually the protagonist meets the princess of the stellar empire, there it is mentioned that her father, the emperor, owns many worlds, one of them being a world where he left his servants in charge, and then went to sleep. leaving the princess watching over the empire.
The third thing is that the book mentions the Oracle of Delphos (the one in our world) as well as a place found in Enkanomiya as the home of the protagonist.
Finally, it is mentioned that the author of the book, who is anonymous, has not released the last chapter.
That book, along with those mentioned in the video, have been there since day one of the game, which seemed to make no sense at that point, but seeing how the story of the game itself has progressed, each day they seem to have more relevance.
Let the cooking begin
idk why but everytime I see someone talking about Mr. Nine my brain immediately pictures the image on the eon Nine writing a book somewhere lol
The doctors of chaos made them start writing as therapy
Ok, first of all, thank you so much for spelling out Flowers for Princess Fischl's lore and Legend of Shattered Halberds' lore, it helped so much with the details that I haven't wrap my head around it 🙏
I have some comments but I guess I'll save it for the second part of this video... but I'll say some anyway:
for 16:34 & 19:14 I always go back to Byakuyakoku vol. 5 no. 6 riddle, where Istaroth is both primordial child of her own descendants (pale and dark) and the mother of 14 billion years (when I searched for this, apparently it's an approximate age of the universe?) so I guess Ereshkigal being the night mother also makes sense, like in Focalors-Furina/Ei/Nahida situation? (I think the distinction is not that necessary)
Also, someone said that Istaroth might be the portmantaeu of Isthar + Thoth?
If I had to put it in Sumeru math and force it:
Phanes = Deshret
Istaroth = GoF (Nabu in Nabu Malikata = scribe = Thoth)
(somewhere they split into Sumeru playables?)
Deshret = Al-Haitham (Thoth) + Kaveh (Ishtar, because red ~ dawn?)
GoF = Nilou (Ishtar?) + Dori (Thoth = hermes = merchant)
(Dori because she introduced Nilou and Kaveh made Palace of Alcazarzaray for her, and pink and have jinn)
And to think that Barbeloth added 'Trismegistus' for her name (?)
*Edit:
-Sorry, forgot to add why is it Dori's pink hair; Vourukasha wearer in TCG wear Nilou's wardrobe (minus the horns?) but with pink hair (might be just a pilgrim but still, the queen/heir in BP trailer has pink hair)
-I didn't give enough information about Dori introduced Nilou 🤦♀, there's a reason but that's just my speculation
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I know you're cooking Kaeya/Layla content (ever since you mentioned Kaeya, I really look forward to it) but I just wondering... if you would consider Diluc into this? Like you know, he is, glaringly red? (...might a good add for the sword thing, along with Dainsleif/Surtalogi?)
Also, I don't know if you think what I think, but... consider Candace too? (especially about Fischl and eyes)
The video is going to be about Dreams and Gods of creation so I would have to really force Diluc into it.
I will see tho
what does gof stand for
@@louloudaki_ Goddess of Flowers I believe.
@@TheGeekyRedMage thank you
When you put it THAT way....
Phanes... is Deshret... is Irmin?!
Will we find out that he was also REMUS?!
We already know that he has "unsurpassed authority" and shared governance of Remuria with four humans of great capability known as the Four Harmosts.
And this would fit in perfectly with the theory of there being four samsaras. Every major civilization was just Phanes rebuilding all over again?!
...This would ALSO imply that Phanes is NOT the current ruler of Celestia, since Deshret opposed Celestia.
....Could this mean that Phanes is also Nibelung and NOT the Heavenly Principles? Are the Primordial One and the Dragon King THE SAME BEING?!
We know that Nibelung sought forbidden knowledge to oppose "the Usurper" just as Deshret sought forbidden knowledge to oppose Celestia, just as Irmin used forbidden knowledge to oppose Celestia...
UNLESS
Unless each of those incarnations were one of the four shining shades? Phanes, Remus, Deshret, AND Irmin?
And Nibelung was the original bearer of the "crown of reason" or Logos?
But then... could that make Istaroth something else entirely? Perhaps she's the USURPER?!
Please never stop making these hour long lore theories I love them so much and they are always so interesting. Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into these!!
Amy's father is definitely king Irmin. Her story suggests that he just got...imagined into the story along with or same as her forgetful mother (irminsul).
And that while he initially was her greatest support, he eventually turned against her. He kept saying that it's time to grow up, something like Kevin Kaslana in his boss fight against the three valkyries.
I adore your pronunciation of foreign words. Simply amazing.
20:31 For those who are unaware, Cai Haoyu was recently the subject of an enormous amount of backlash and criticism (primarily from the CN player base) due to the Dr. Ration/Genshin rewards drama. Unfortunately, most of the backlash he got was from people who don't understand game design (or business in general) and think that due to his position as Genshin's Lead Producer, he is responsible for EVERY decision in the company. People were insulting him and comparing him to Honkai: Star Rail's Producer and saying that he should resign from the company.
Look, I ain't tynna defend a multi-millionaire but at the same time, whether you like him or not, without Cai Haoyu, Genshin (and Honkai in general) would never have existed. That guy legit eats and breathes Genshin. He is responsible for so much in the story.
I read somewhere that he left HYV Shanghai HQ a while ago since ppl found his registry in Singapore. And some said that he is directing the North America branch. Because the last time we see him is in the GDC talk video. So he could just be not the producer anymore. But he is a very important guy who pushes the game, he is technically very smart and is probably directly involved on how Genshin was coded in the first place
Is he who makes part of the lore? That doesn't make much sense, isnt he just the guy who manages the money part of genshin as a whole? And the story/lore is relegated to another team?
He's literally the creator, and the Celestia lore is heavily derived from a game he made as a school project in college.@@victorpedrosoceolin3919
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 Producers are the main guys handling management, yes. But it's a good thing to keep in mind that game development is not so rigid that a producer can't have a hand in other fields of the project, though perhaps on a smaller scale. It's probably impossible to know how involved he is in the project without insider knowledge.
But yes, there's also another team that handles the writing and keeping a tab on all of the story beats throughout. Whether or not Cai Haoyu works with said team beyond just management (though less involved I imagine since that is not his main job), I have no idea tbh, I'm not the most familiar with the development team for Genshin.
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 The Leader producer oversees everything. And knowing that Cai Haoyu made The Legend of Saha, there is a reason Genshin's story is so similar to that one. He likely played a huge role in the world-building of Genshin.
Freaking wow my mind is blown. It sounds crazy but completely makes sense. Looking forward to part two!!
You, Ashikai and Wei are honestly the reason why i like genshin so much, i cant really think of any other game (other than like FNAF with matpat) where the lore just opens up so many discussions to be had and theories to be made. Its actually amazing, and even if i dont play the game that much I'm still dedicated to keeping up with the lore. And its thanks to you that im so involved!!
Each time when someone talking about dragon making real blood from primordial see water. I have only one thing on my mind, what if it was some form of chemical marriage... idk dragon+God/ descender
this video was sooo crazy yet somehow it made sense. damn man great job
best genshin lore theorist creator
This is madness.......and i love it!
As an Iraqi I never thought my country would be apart of genshin stuff
Iraq is a part of so many things. That country has a vibrant history and the civilizations that lived in it played major roles throughout time.
Genshin is just one of thousands of media inspired by Mesopotamian/Persian history.
amazing video man. the points brought up are so well thought i never would have made these connections
LAYLA VIDEO SOON YAYYYYYY im so excited do the 4 star slugs that appear in her shield represent the 4 shades or the 4 descenders HMMM
coming back to this video after playing 4.7 archon quest... i might be going crazy
Otto being Irmin would be great and if he is then i can see irmin giving task to dainslief to save someone irmin cherished(probably the spirit of the world tree) and dainslief taking the ring of nibelung with him to surface and trying to find the one who can use it and save the one irmin wanted to but i personally believe king irmin would be alive but corrupted by abyssal knowledge losing even what was left of him and us fighting irmin alongside dainslief might prove we are worthy to save that one person and irmin finally sacrificing himself to fix the ruined system of the world and we ascending to godhood and knowing paimon is the fate that has took the task to guide us
And i get the chills thinking all of this was planned by phanes the father of gods of teyvat
Also I don't think irmin has become primordial one but it is possible someone has tried to become one
Why I don't is mainly because of the line "the keeper is fading away, the creator has yet to arrive, but world shall burn no more for you shall ascend" and the name card saying the stars path shall intertwine once again might say teyvat has been keeping eye on twins close proximity and knee they have been traveling to worlds far in stars
Also I don't believe genshin lore would be as you said cuz they tend to mix mythos events with tales and legends it will it would most likely change alot
@@nayayam i don't think his task is to save nahida his task seems to be something else if he had that task he could've destroyed sages long ago
It feels like whoever needs the saving is either in abyss or outside the firmament
And in this text by spirit of the world tree i think someone else not nahida exactly
@@nayayam i mean nahida is just an avatar of the irminsul more like an entity created to fix it when it needs to be and considering how much genshin's story team likes fairy tales and myths it wouldn't be surprising to have an actual incarnation of irminsul
No words. I don't even know why I'm leaving this comment. Just, great video and an epic retelling of The Legend of Saha's story (your voice & energy made it sound so hype). I feel like you just put my brain in the oven and guess what, IT'S COOKED!
This... This is too confusing.
I am also one of those who ends up _"opening parentheses inside of parentheses inside of square brackets"_ while explaining complex stuff, but this video takes it to another level - introducing concepts upon concepts while not developing ANYTHING in order to *"save it for later",* while going at it at a neck-breaking pace. *Please consider redoing this one as a series or something, where you introduce each aspect or important point of interest to it's full scope before introducing something new in another video and finally building upon everything on your conclusions.*
Bro is making full movies now!
Yep, he's wasting your time for that sweet sweet ad rev 😊
I would like to point out that if there is a possibility Otto is Irmin and Fischl is Irmin's daughter, the visual similarity between the two characters is way too close to be a coincidence (same hair, same eyes). I know playable Fischl isn't the real one, BUT I feel like this could have been done on purpose just like with the name Amy.
bro cooked so much im fed for the next 10 years
We know otto was no stranger to messing with the imaginary tree so wouldn't it be funny if either him or void archives(as him) somehow ended up in Teyvat, becoming the first decender. It seems like they reserved the void archives thing for star rail lore though so i don't think its likely at all but i do wonder if they are going to add any direct honkai impact references at some point.
Also adding onto the point about seelies being tied to dragons, all the confirmed dragons we've seen so far have also been based on varieties of sea slug! Dvalin is inspired by the Glaucus atlanticus, Azdaha (yes he's a gray area but shhh) is inspired by the Sea Hare, Apep was inspired by the Melibe viridis, etc- neuv and the melusines have sea slug inspirations too but I don't feel like putting effort into remembering which ones LOL
Woah, this was amazing. I just caught up after a +2 yr break and now I almost feel like I've been spoiled lol! Well done, really, can't wait for part 2.
This entire video was just me going wait what!!!! You cooked so much and I’m in awe. Now I’m just thinking about the next vid having Kaeya and Layla in it since I guess based on this theory, Kaeya is at least partially a dragon(?) and another one of your theories did link the “elves” in Genshin to dragons
i always thought amy looked a lot like otto apocalypse and fischl looked a lot like ereshkigal. my brain is imploding from the sheer amount of connections being made from this theory holy shit
also if the fatui harbingers are representations of the 12 apostles and tartaglia is representing john, does that mean he saw the night mother, fischl, in the abyss or somewhere else? (i just want an interaction between these two so bad they are my top 2 favorite characters)
edit: also, why does amy(fischl) have so many fatui leimotifs in ALL of her themesongs?
Actually… Fischls theme came before the fatui. So theyre copying her
My head is still spinning and I've watched this video several times by now
honestly, now i want a 2 hours long Paimon video from you because all of this is insanely good
Note by a German:
To translate Gesamtkunstwerk as "the complete work of art" is literally correct but that's not what it means.
Wagner's works were considered "Gesamtkunstwerke" because he planned and created everything that went into the production (music, lyrics, stage directions etc.) to fit together in his idea of the story. So, it's a collection of all the arts coming together in one project through the hands of one person.
Yup, it's a bit more complicated than "the complete work of art".
HM! So, then, could the reformed Teyvat as a whole by the Primordial One be considered the Gesamtkunstwerke?
@@amouramarie It could! But you could also refer to a weapon as Gesamtkunstwerk, if lots of different techniques and arts went into it.
I have no idea how they used the word... it is usually specifically reserved for Wagner's works (which a lot if people really like but it's like really pompous and very Wagner in the way that he was an awful Nazi)
@@mendelynn Ah, cool. Thanks :D
Touhou counts as this then, theres very few creators who do every aspect of their art but it is truely amazing when they do.
It'd be wild if istaroth told dain to kill king irmin, and had a piece of the king soul of body placed inside the abyss twin while the gnosis were other pieces of irmins soul or body....irmin dodged his fate by using the abyss twin as a vessel to obscure his existence or fate. he's corrupted and needed to have his purest part put into something while the rest of his body was given to the archons....? something like that...
This entails a Judas, a rogue fatui that betrays the fatui just for the sake of fate.
well... if we argue from the point of commedia dell arte, it would probably be Arleccino.
As a german your pronunciation of german words is very entertaining ❤
So the King of the Seelies which are khaenrians went full Otto Apocalypse mode "Naw i want all the power" pulled out his Polymerization card fused with some random Alien beast to body his own god to then make Teyvat into his domain. Then some other aliens (2nd descender) invaded cuz he fused with one the star beasts and both after their fight were too exausted to fight off the 3rd Alien invasion alone so Irmin and the 2nd bodied the 3rd together after which he cooked up the the gnosis, celestia and archon system to keep the world in check while he goes to sleep. L;ikely using the ascenders which were granted visions by the system as fuel or soldiers to claim what was once his again?
I always thought that Irmin was the gardener of the Phanes in the "Before Sun & Moon" book. Irmin, referenced as the Irminsul and the King Irmin, is associated with one-eyed Odin. Yes, the Gnostic Chorus Kingdom is Khaenriah, not Celestia. The symbol on the carpet is the same as the one on the door of Khaenriah. Finally, someone mentioned the Star of Ishtar in Genshin Impact. There are so many Star of Ishtar symbols, like on the door of Khaenriah and the symbol of Snezhnaya. Yes, Irmin has a relationship with Ishtar because Ishtar gave him the forbidden knowledge, regrowing the destroyed tree with the same knowledge. I thought that the Primordial One, the creator, could not be Phanes, but Istaroth could be Phanes, the demiurge, the serpent. Phanes is born with a serpent on his body, but the demiurge Lucifer is the serpent itself, and I have evidence that the serpent is Phanes.
When the snake in the gnostic chorus pours out its venom, its purple power also goes away, and only red remains. I attribute this to the fact that Phanes brought the forbidden knowledge to Teyvat and drowned the realm of light, which was the true heaven, into nothingness, turning it into the abyss. So, I think Irmin is the Monad Nibelung, the lord of the abyss who has the ring (Der Ring des Nibelungen), the Ring of Solomon. We also saw many knots of Solomon in Genshin Impact, and the knot of Solomon represents the four shades in Babylonian mythology. There was a story about the usurpation of Ashmedai, who stole the seal of Solomon and acted like him, and Genshin uses the name of Asmoday, not Asmodeus from Ars Goetia. So, the Ring of Solomon is the red power, and in the War of Khaenriah, Asmoday has the red power, but actually, she has a golden power (Geo or something associated with light).
So, I think Irmin, the heroic king of Khaenriah, is Nibelung. Also, Nibelung is the primordial one, the light dragon born from an egg, the name of which was Aether, created by Chronos and Ananke (mother of Fate Sisters Moirais, and there is a Moira reference in Genshin). To receive a Vision is to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world - to Heimarmene, and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path. Heimarmene is the Moirais themselves, so the three gods of Celestia we saw in the manga are the Fate Sisters. The triquetra represents them, the ruler of past, the ruler of future, and the ruler of present. But that story does not actually fit the canon lore, but what if the real history was rewritten because Istaroth has full authority over Irminsul, and we actually know that in the "Before Sun & Moon" book, she betrayed the Primordial One. She made the continuity of the forbidden knowledge. Sorry about my bad English. I'm so excited right now. You are the best theory creator on RUclips. Before you, nobody talked about Ananke Moirais and the Star of Ishtar. The true antagonist is Ishtar, and Paimon is Lucifer's most loyal servant, and probably Paimon is the servant of Istaroth, so Istaroth is Lucifer, the fallen angel.
"Abyss mages use the Enochian language, which is the language of angels. Prophet Enoch learned that knowledge from angels, so the abyss is the heaven itself, the real heaven. I also think that the forbidden knowledge is the Void, maybe the Void Archive or just a creature /organysm who needs a host body. This creature stole the bodies and powers of Irmin and Istaroth (he can't affect time; he saw us in the memories). The Nibelung and Irmin say the same thing: the void that devours all things. There's also one point in the Celestia model where we saw that star, maybe the Star of Ishtar, on the tower at the center (so Istaroth is the ruler of Celestia)."
Excellent cooking.
This video was great, its amazing how you can make all these connections. I love how Genshin depicts cosmology from around the world and connects so many regions that way
I was too focused on "In a distant causality, if the philosopher 'Zarathustra' was not chosen, then the 'opera writer' would have gained victory in the contest over the will of the world"
Nietzsche was Wagner's Bestfriend until they wasn't.
the will of the world, I mean Nietzsche always talks about will. The will of Power. the Ubermesch, the Transcendence of human. Also what it needs to be a 'Descender'? yes the WILL.
also remember Nietzsche most quoted quote? "God is dead, we kill him blablabla", i
ll stop editing my comment and let it be like this.
I'm sorry I just enjoying the easter egg.
also there are soo many nietzsche and wagner influence in this game just like how jung and freud in any eastern pop culture media.
If the night mother is Paimon, and the night mother gets eaten, then Paimon really is emergency food.
Thrilled! Over 70 mins / (>) 1 hour and 10 minutes! I always love and enjoy this video, man!
Thank you, dude! 😊 👏
I need what this man smokes.
I didn't believe watching an hour video for genshin 😂. Great analysis bro!
Love the amount of effort and research that goes into your videos. I can not for the life of me make these kind of connections, so it's always fascinating listening to others ideas. I would dearly love a collab with you and Ashikai as you both have touched on similar things (specifically in this video, the time travel stuff where she put out a vid on Istaroth and the concept of Eternalism/Block Time). Looking forward to part 2 and the Layla vids! :)
Im glad that I'm not the only one noticed that Teyvat timeline is flawed and messy
Yea, many people brought up this topic before. It is not necessarily inconsistent... It is just very sussy as if events that happened shouldn't have happened, or they already took place before.
Glad to see a new video. The gordan ramsay of genshin. Keep cookin. o7
Beyond everything else this intricate and intriguing video portrays, your equivalence with the Fatui as the 12 Disciples, Dainslief as Jesus, and the dragon sovereigns as archangels and the archons as demon lords certainly stood out to me, especially in showcasing Neuvillette's disdain and eventual judgement of the archons and Heavenly Principles he, by nature and celestial history, opposes as divine retribution
Ah, to think we are betrayed into believing we are fighting against evil when in reality we are fighting for demons against Love
What a reversal the journeys end and Revelation will be!
Always so fascinating and what profound production quality and theory crafting
Oh my god I just found ur channel and I'm obesses with all of these genshin theories
Let's see 😶🌫️
*Edit*
Well...I've had the same theory for a year now. Regarding your quote comparing Deins to Jesus, for Gnosticism Sophia (wisdom) would be the other party.
Particularly, I have a theory of my own that I have already considered. We cannot forget that in the tale of the "spirit tree", the gardener is in love with the spirit of the tree. And the one who advises him is the priest (Istaroth).
Could Rukadevata be the spirit of Irminsul? Yes. But we cannot forget that Istaroth was a symbol of fertility, as was the dendro archon. She may have been the holder of knowledge about Irminsul, being the shadow of life (one of the three moons). But, we have a strong candidate for the 4th sister of the moon. "Seelie"
Seelie it also means soul (spirit of Irminsul), and by coincidence, she was the love of the traveler who came from far away, and whom she married in the lunar palace, in the presence of the sisters of the moon. This marriage would it be possible for her to be part of the lunar palace, being one of the 4 shadows, with a specific job: to be the soul of Irminsul (true kaleen and not just a clone), like Theresa who replaced Kaleen ( Ruka replaced Seelie).
Remember that Kaleen did not share love with Otto, but rather had a relationship with Yae (by coincidence, the sacred Sakura grew up in Inazuma, where Yae lives).
The royal gardener was advised to cut a branch and plant it again and it would take 500 years for it to grow.
We have reference to Ruka and Nahida, but what happened in Kaenriah was 500 years ago (Nahida's lifetime). Considering this, for the king to need to cut down the tree with the greatest celestial power, he could be sacrificing one of his shadows for a possible war that "wounded" him or to the "kingdom", to restore the power, which came through the tree. The gardener (Deins?) was against this idea and asked the shadow (Istaroth) for help, who promptly helped him. Which brings us to Deins be a possible traitor to the kingdom.
Now let's consider...What if the tree spirit is a Seelie, who was married in the lunar palace, and who married the gardener responsible for protecting the branch? And if this act made the king (Otto) get angry and take one of his shadows (Asmodeus, to become mother of the night?) According to the theory, there was the Babylonian goddess sister of iStar, who would be associated with the mother of the night. This fixes perfect, two sisters and one of them holding a chalice on the beast (couldn't the chalice be one of the artifacts that symbolize Pahnes' shadows?)
Being in your unnatural state, There was a war between the 3 moons (Istaroth, Paymon and Asmodeus), because the first two did not agree with Asmodeus in going against the other "sister" shadow, punishing her and her love. In this I stick to the myth of the 3 goddesses and their specific role in men's lives. Perhaps the reign that did not pass from one to another has a bearing on the thread of the destiny of human beings, starting with Dainsleif and Seelie.
So we have: Kaleen/ Seelie, Ruka/ Thereza, Unknown Goddess/Kiana, Paymon(?) , all shades of Pahnes: (clones and original)
damn... let this man cook
I used to be under the impression that King Irmin made some sort of deal with Nibelung in the dragon's final moments and that was maybe part of the reason why Irmin was lowkey worshipped by the Khaenri'ahns, because he merged with Nibelung?? so in that sense Nibelung & Irmin would both be the Monad---- but watching this vid definitely made me doubt that! I;m not entirely convinced et though. Irmin being the Primordial One= Celestia= Demiurge was not on my list 😆. this was a fascinating video!! so much to digest and mull over, i will be rewatching everyday until part 2 is released! I still have so many questions about Kaeya, Dainsleif and the ring--- if Dain had the ring right after the events of the Cataclysm, where is it now?? Did a certain eyepatch wearing thief/pirate steal it? 🧐
This was completely unhinged and insane and I loved every second of it
Dawit is tracking your location as we speak just for that opening statement.
quick correction on aeneas: he’s a roman character- he was a minor character in the iliad, but that was about it before that. he was written as the first hero of rome and an ancestor of romulus and remus
below is a random ramble about vergil and the aeneid because i’m a nerd
vergil was a prominent poet in rome, and the aeneid was inspired by the iliad and odyssey. it was commissioned by the emperor at the time (augustus i think) to make rome look really cool basically. this is not to downplay the talent vergil had because he was an incredible writer but basically it was a commissioned fanfic that was like. really good
i recommend it, vergil has amazing imagery and despite him writing it as an epic poem it’s very much a narrative. i’m studying ancient history and cultures as one of my minors in college and i find vergil’s writing to be some of the best. and catullus and caesar’s writings are really entertaining like i was laughing so hard
but i’m getting off track
tldr aeneas is roman
This was super interesting but also suuuuper confusing withh all the different names and themes and gosh. The speed? English isn't my first language, so keeping up here is quite the challenge that I failed at. Still, great mind, great video. Love the real excitement one is able to hear :D
17:51 holy shit, the eyes! I never noticed that!
i love your lore videos it's like learning history lessons but make it video game
My man was cooking a WHOLE TWO months, and I'm here for it👌
1 hour? We eating good tonigh
You had me at thumbnail and I knew you were cooking something good again
I love these long videos, so please keep making them
When you mention an alien star beast CHOOSING King Irmin and turning him into the Magnum Opus...
Which is colored red to signify Rubedo...
King Deshret is often referred to as the Scarlet King or the Red-Crowned King... And the word "Deshret" is specifically an Egyptian word for "red one" referring to the red crown of lower Egypt.
....Now I'm wondering if King Deshret was also King Irmin.
I've been thinking for a LONG TIME that King Deshret must have been the Third Descender and the Sinner both, and I still like that theory best, but it's an interesting idea to consider.
I'm pretty sure there's an Ashikai video theorizing that King Deshret was also King Irmin.
@@amouramarie - It was slightly mentioned once, but I'm not sold on it yet. I just figure he's the most likely option for who could be the Third Descender, whose remains were used to create the Gnoses, because it was said that he had mastered all the elements.
Which is not something that's said about normal humans, nor King Irmin. I don't think it was ever said about Deshret that he had only one eye, but that IS said about Irmin.
@@DrakeWurrum Nibelung is most likely the 3rd descender
@AndrewsMobs - it's actually becoming less likely that Nibelung is a Descender at all.
King Deshret was most certainly an outlander, but prooobably isn't a full Descender.
One of the best theories I've seen so far is that humans stole Nibelung's wish-granting dragon pearl (the genesis pearl) and used it to take over Teyvat and make it their own - plus gaining immortality and other powers in the process. Such that all the "gods" of Teyvat, and all of the people of Khaen'riah, are actually just humans from other worlds.
Dainslef is the human remains of the Third Descender.
@@DrakeWurrum There is no proof that Deshret is an outlander, he may be a Celestial god but that is a big may be.
I'll be honest. I was doing my physics homework while listening to this and the experience was amazing
The minute he said something about the legend of Saha, I just felt shit get REAL
in the end, it was Paimon all along...
I SCREAMED when I saw this was up
I love your videos and style. Keep it up, man!
So idk if anyone has made this connection as of yet, but...
If the traveler is called the morning star, i.e. lucifer in Christianity, would that make the fatui harbingers; director; and the tsariesta all Jesus and his apostles? Just thought of this at 5 mins into the video.
Thst and Khaenriah is located under Sumeru, a nation inspired by the Middle East, North Africa and India in different ways. …
You know whats absolutely funny, I put this video on before going to bed so that I can fall asleep after studying. I've "watched" it for like 4 times 😹
And if the High King's beast returns and eats Paimon....we will have no emergency FOOD!!!
So it's baisicly just khaenri'ah vs khaenri'ah in an eternal cycal
Watching you blow your own mind was priceless thank you.
Ya know, looking back on this video after Perinheri, I had a thought.
You suggest that all the gods of Celestia are actually all humans from Khaen'riah.
Perinheri... might confirm this. I've been trying to figure out WHY the pure-blooded people of Khaen'riah would be different from people from other nations in Teyvat, and then it hit me...
Khaen'riah isn't in Teyvat. It's on the outside of it. Or on the edge of it.
The people of Khaen'riah are 100% people from OUTSIDE of Teyvat, from other worlds. Refugees escaping destruction by the Abyss.
They are humans who do not belong in Teyvat and are not subject to its laws!
And I think all the non-humans we've been encountering and hearing about are the same. King Deshret claimed to be a son of the sky and knew nothing of the seelie. He was from outside Teyvat to begin with!
Maybe ALL the gods were, including Zhongli and Guizhong, who are said to have "descended" onto Teyvat long ago.
Yea. Some Gods were made by other Gods (God of Life --> Egeria --> Focalor). But the really ancient ones could have started out as humans (Amun, Morax, Haagentus).
What if Misei is the second who came and defeated celestia and sits on the throne? And she endgame boss actually?
Also I wonder if Kate Kaslana is gonna be a thing cause her design reminds me a lot of Misei
Kate's design is primarily inspired by Nanatsuki so you might be onto something.
54:05 BRO YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW
HOLY SHIT. Why the fuck did I never make the connection with the unified civilization of the Bible with _Genshin's_ unified civilization?! Well, probably because I'm not much of a biblical scholar. DAMN. That MUST be deliberate. That feels like a "hit the nail on the head" connection. The OG language everyone spoke could be the basic magic of the world (perhaps alchemy/khemia?)... while the languages split up so no one could understand each other could be that magic pieced out into the seven separated elements.
Oooh, the Spiral Abyss as the Tower of Babylon is awesome. It also gives great importance to the Spiral Abyss, rather than the kind of inexplicable, random place it is now.
I wonder if Amy is the actual reincarnation of Princess Fischl. There could be relevance to the fact that Oz is an actual sentient being; we just accept it because magic, even though it is absolutely weird. Or, I guess he could be a manifestation of Fischl herself? Like an electro puppet that Fischl is unconsciously controlling, but. I dunno, nothing would surprise me, honestly.
Oh, so the Primordial One is the Magnum Opus, the Philosopher's Stone? And he wanted to save some of the seelie-dragons of the original world, so turned them into Khaenri'ahns? >.> I think I'm losing the plot.
listening to this while drawing made me high
my smol brain was exploding
'Alberich, the servant of the Celestial emperor who stole the national treasure from the Moon sisters' 47:45. Did anyone recalled the story of the dagger bandit? Who was played by Kaeya, and Alberich. (and who had a red eye on the side Kaeya's is hidden)
Yeah
John being Childe could make sense. Childe was taken out of the world, just like how John was taken out of the world during revelations. If Childe is also the reincarnated 3rd descender, he may become a 'traveller' of sorts and join us in the end
this video is a masterpiece, congratulations 🫶🏻
Holy shet, nice take, those golden crumbs sprinkled at the end about Jesus and the apostles, were like sweet cherries on top. All Nicely done.
"There is a part 2, it will only be 20 minutes." Forgot to add an hour.