At the Taylor Factory, our guide was asked about the best value in their guitars . He said ,without hesitation, the Ovangkol 414 CE. I demoed one there against some other RW models and concurred. That was before the two recent upgrade efforts ( revised X and V bracing). From the video, maybe RW has a slight edge on the bass side.
I have a takamine tf430ss, cedar with ovangkol :) i think it's similar sounding to this one, but price was only 900$ (back then) including cooltube, and no cutaway will help too (the sound).
I'm a big fan of the deeper sounds of rosewood. I have this guitar with the rosewood and really enjoyed it from the moment I picked it up in the store.
Ovangkol sounds a bit brighter and more old school 'folk' to me. Great for old James Taylor, Jim Croce e.d. Rosewood sounds more common and modern. Just bought myself and Eastman E3D-E with Ovangkol back and sides and looking forward to see how the bass will develop the coming years en how the highs will sweeten up. I think it will be great.
In this video rosewood does sound fuller to me. It may be the size, and manufacturer. I've heard comparisons on both woods before and ovangkol comes out on top for me every time. Except for this one.
Ovangkol gains warmth and bass as it ages. I think after a few years of aging, it is one of the best sounding tone woods available. Koa is very similar in gaining bass and depth as it ages. I don’t buy guitars for how they sound new, but how they will sound as the wood ages.
I have a 07 414 Ovangkol. I keep getting severe cases of GAS and get another guitar. Got a D-35. Sold it. Got a J-45. Sold it. The 414 is amazing. Ovangkol ages like you nothing else. I have had several old Rosewood guitars also. They don’t hold a candle to my 414. Also, Mr. Pibb is the greatest soft drink of all time. Come at me!
Jonathan Tipton There is a reason rosewood guitars and cocobolo guitars are so expensive. Because they age the absolute best due to their grain density. Period. And you fucked up selling a D-35
What I love about 414CE in Ovangkol is that is, at the same time, warm and clear and my "best" guitar is, precisely, my 414CE. Having said that, East Indian Rosewood is still so great of a tonewood. Having different guitars with different woods is always welcome in my yard.
I bought the rosewood version of the 414. I din't try the ovangkol. The guy in the shop gave me another 414 -R to try and there was a subtle difference so I bought the first one I played. Also tried an 814. Wonderful guitar. Well worth the money.
You think? That's what rosewood always does. Ovangkol will bring the midrange that rosewood lacks. If you like more bass, go with rosewood. Either way, anyone's a winner with either 414
Ovangkol is SO much better - What’s funny is I just tried both in a guitar store and I did not understand why I liked the cheaper one because the 414 was also there in a limited vision Rosewood and I just said it sounded more like wood and what do you know. Needless to say I bought the Ovangkol and didn’t know.
In some sections I hear a difference, in others I don't. Makes me wonder if his picking/strumming is just slightly inconsistent in those sections since the tone in the other sections sounds the same. And yes, too much useless talk and not enough demonstration!
like them both... you can hear those high overtones in the Rosewood.. the O has a bit more punch mids.. it's scooped (R) vs a flatter more even response (O)
I mainly judge a guitar as to its purpose. I prefer smaller bodies in general and i like Rosewood in general for its depth and lush highs. However, if i plug in i like a focus on a narrower eq band. Too many lows and highs just get in the way. So, Ovankol or mahogany are preferred in that setting (and i can change the eq in board). But then again, i love my RW Sigma 000R28. W smaller bodies the rosewood spectrum factor is less of an issue..
I agree about the mellowness of the ovangkol compared to Rosewood. I actually preferred the v-braced 314ce sapiele over the v-braced 414ce R at a local music store. To me, the “R” was just a bit too bright. However, because of the gloss finish, I think the 414 is a far better looking guitar...
First of all, they're GA body shapes. They won't have the dreadnought bass. Second, they're Taylor and that's their tone. Go for a Martin if you want bass.
Yeah, really... they do these repeated and excessive attempts at being witty before every single video, to the point where its not even remotely funny.
About Paul's Martin shirt... Did you know that in the office area at Taylor guitars you will find guitars from various guitar makers? They have them because they are different guitars and good guitars..At Taylor! This was mentioned by Andy Powers himself on one of his interview videos.
I have a 414ce ovangkol. I played a lot of acoustics before buying it including basically every guitar that was in its class that guitar center had in stock that day. There was no question that the ovangkol 414 was the one for me. Tone is subjective but the intonation if the guitar is so good. The tone is very balanced but has a caramel like sweetness to it in the mids and upper mids. Definition is great and very dynamic. It is a wonderful guitar that I got lucky to find.
I was fortunate to pick up an Ovankol, maybe the first one in Canada. It sounds fantastic, the Bass is wonderful, sounds better when you're in the room than on a video. You really can't make an accurate comparison off of a video. Go to your Taylor Dealer and play them with your own hands, listening with your ears.
@@TheAcousticLetter So many guitars come strung with light gauge strings these days (and coated light gauge strings to boot, unfortunately). You have to wonder if the structure of the guitars will not support medium gauge strings - which always sound better to me.
ok that's weird or, at least, counter-intuitive: I expected the rosewood to sound fuller and deeper and just more lush. In this demo, those descriptors better fit the Ovangol, to my ears.
East Indian Rosewood is not supposed to sound balanced. BTW, neither is Ovangkol, but because Ovangkol is midrange heavy, it's perceived to be more balanced than RW. Rosewood will be more boomy and produce more overtones, while Ovangkol will be punchier and more articulated because of its stronger fundamental tone.
I was hearing more bass notes from the ovangkol and less response in the mid range. The rosewood seemed more balanced throughout ranges of bass, mid, treble... I did like the lower more mellow bassy ovangkol tones.. I think the nod goes to rosewood.
Ovangkol sounds a bit like cabbage... Joking aside, the Ovangkol guitar sounded like it was several sizes smaller than the Rosewood version, but with improved clarity, like having a walnut back
3-1/2 minute video . And 2-1/2 minutes of blabbering. Lest than 3/4 of a minute of playing to compare.... REALLY? No time to flatpick.. so we could actually hear what the individual notes sounded like when you really get on them ...
Taylor is the Church Lady guitar. Ironic, because Taylor Guitar is a member of WISE, and as such is a business run by the principles of the "Church" of Scientology. They keep selling "innovations" at Taylor, usually just increasing profit on guitars. They are very expensive, and there will never be anything cool about a Taylor. Ever. Few serious acoustic guitar players play Taylors. They have no history, they only find ways to cheaply produce expensive guitars and force their dealers to take many more than they can sell, threatening them with cancelling their dealerships if they don't. They are greedy assholes. Don't be a douche, get a Martin or Gibson or Guild...new or old, and PLAY it, don't just sit there like a lame-ass lawyer or doctor who just polishes his shiny new Taylors, and chats online about this recycled cello "V-bracing" nonsense.
I'm a Martin owner. Never heard any of what you're saying before as I know very little about Taylor. Most of them (Taylors) sound tinny and sorta cheap to me, but they play and look nice. I played the K14, I think it was, recently and was disappointed. I'm trying to determine which guitar to buy next. Santa Cruz or another Martin it looks like. I'm not a brand snob, but I think Yamaha makes a better sounding guitar than Taylor. Just doesn't carry the same prestige I suppose. Or maybe I'll just stick with my D-16GT and buy an Ernie Ball music man electric. I played a D-18 recently and it didn't sound or play any different than my D-16. The only guitar that really sounds distinctively different in the standard series Martin line up is the D-41 imo.
Thanks for doing these videos. They've been a big help in my learning about guitars.
At the Taylor Factory, our guide was asked about the best value in their guitars . He said ,without hesitation, the Ovangkol 414 CE. I demoed one there against some other RW models and concurred. That was before the two recent upgrade efforts ( revised X and V bracing). From the video, maybe RW has a slight edge on the bass side.
I have a takamine tf430ss, cedar with ovangkol :) i think it's similar sounding to this one, but price was only 900$ (back then) including cooltube, and no cutaway will help too (the sound).
I'm a big fan of the deeper sounds of rosewood. I have this guitar with the rosewood and really enjoyed it from the moment I picked it up in the store.
I totally hear a James Taylor sound coming from the Ovangkol at 3:00 whereas I hear a Paul Simon sound coming from the Rosewood at 3:19
Ovangkol sounds a bit brighter and more old school 'folk' to me. Great for old James Taylor, Jim Croce e.d. Rosewood sounds more common and modern. Just bought myself and Eastman E3D-E with Ovangkol back and sides and looking forward to see how the bass will develop the coming years en how the highs will sweeten up. I think it will be great.
In this video rosewood does sound fuller to me. It may be the size, and manufacturer. I've heard comparisons on both woods before and ovangkol comes out on top for me every time. Except for this one.
Ovangkol gains warmth and bass as it ages. I think after a few years of aging, it is one of the best sounding tone woods available. Koa is very similar in gaining bass and depth as it ages. I don’t buy guitars for how they sound new, but how they will sound as the wood ages.
I agree I have a 2004 Taylor 414 it sounds AMAZING
Rosewood is the best aging tonewood there is. Period
I have a 07 414 Ovangkol. I keep getting severe cases of GAS and get another guitar. Got a D-35. Sold it. Got a J-45. Sold it. The 414 is amazing. Ovangkol ages like you nothing else. I have had several old Rosewood guitars also. They don’t hold a candle to my 414. Also, Mr. Pibb is the greatest soft drink of all time. Come at me!
Jonathan Tipton There is a reason rosewood guitars and cocobolo guitars are so expensive. Because they age the absolute best due to their grain density. Period. And you fucked up selling a D-35
I have a 414 in Ovangkol, it’s about 15 years old, it just keeps getting better.
What I love about 414CE in Ovangkol is that is, at the same time, warm and clear and my "best" guitar is, precisely, my 414CE. Having said that, East Indian Rosewood is still so great of a tonewood. Having different guitars with different woods is always welcome in my yard.
Boy! These were very close. The ovangkol was slightly more defined. Does ovangkol have a wider frequecy range?
I bought the rosewood version of the 414. I din't try the ovangkol. The guy in the shop gave me another 414 -R to try and there was a subtle difference so I bought the first one I played. Also tried an 814. Wonderful guitar. Well worth the money.
I think Ovangkol added some mid response and a lot of clarity and the rosewood added some bass and 3-D esque overtones. Both sound great.
three quarters of this "demonstration" is bloody talking; about shirts....
One of the more dramatic differences I've heard between two very similiar guitars.
Wow O over R bigtime- especially strummed. It's just so much more rich and ALIVE.
I can honestly say I hear the difference, and I like the Ovangkol more. Much better mids. It to me sounds like a more balanced guitar.
In 2009 I bought a 414ce ovangkol because I thought it was literally the best sounding guitar in the entire store.
Ovangkol is a GREAT wood
I think the rosewood adds some needed bass.
You think? That's what rosewood always does. Ovangkol will bring the midrange that rosewood lacks. If you like more bass, go with rosewood. Either way, anyone's a winner with either 414
@@maraviyoso8473 I love ovangkol, I think every tonewood fits certain guitars better than others :)
I own the ovangkol (not the V-bracing, though) version of the 414. I love its midrange and thickness of its highs.
Ovangkol is SO much better - What’s funny is I just tried both in a guitar store and I did not understand why I liked the cheaper one because the 414 was also there in a limited vision Rosewood and I just said it sounded more like wood and what do you know. Needless to say I bought the Ovangkol and didn’t know.
Can you do a Martin guitar review but with a Taylor T-Shirt? thanks
They covering the bases, right? In Gibson country strumming a Taylor wearing a Martin. Where's the love for Guild, guys? XD
There is very little difference. In a blind test I would not be able to tell which was ovangkol or rosewood.
I would. Rosewood's bassier and wet while ovangkol is punchier and dry.
Actual comparison starts at 2:26
Comparison starts at 2:22 🙃
In some sections I hear a difference, in others I don't. Makes me wonder if his picking/strumming is just slightly inconsistent in those sections since the tone in the other sections sounds the same. And yes, too much useless talk and not enough demonstration!
When you were strumming, I think the ovangkol sounded better. When finger picking, the rosewood sounded better. I guess that why they offer both.
Rosewood sounds brittle compared to the Ovangkol. Things get serious at 2:23.
Silly question time: what was the chord progression that he was playing in the last two demos (with the capo on the 4th fret).
Basic chords with capo applied (you can follow his voicings): G Gsus G Gsus D2/F# Em C Dsus C G/B Am G .
like them both... you can hear those high overtones in the Rosewood.. the O has a bit more punch mids.. it's scooped (R) vs a flatter more even response (O)
I’ve never liked the overtones of Indian rosewood, always too mushy. Ovankol is a bit better imo
Are they fitted with elixirs nanoweb 0.12?
I mainly judge a guitar as to its purpose. I prefer smaller bodies in general and i like Rosewood in general for its depth and lush highs. However, if i plug in i like a focus on a narrower eq band. Too many lows and highs just get in the way. So, Ovankol or mahogany are preferred in that setting (and i can change the eq in board). But then again, i love my RW Sigma 000R28. W smaller bodies the rosewood spectrum factor is less of an issue..
Ovangkol is the mellower and more balanced tone to my ears. Rosewood was a bit too bright.
I agree about the mellowness of the ovangkol compared to Rosewood. I actually preferred the v-braced 314ce sapiele over the v-braced 414ce R at a local music store. To me, the “R” was just a bit too bright. However, because of the gloss finish, I think the 414 is a far better looking guitar...
@hansegg08 I Agree with you. I wish 314 v-class degree gloss finished..
Hardly heard any bass in either guitar. I’m not big into a lot of bass, but there out to be some...
First of all, they're GA body shapes. They won't have the dreadnought bass. Second, they're Taylor and that's their tone. Go for a Martin if you want bass.
Maravi Yoso I’m well familiar with Taylor’s tone, and that’s why I prefer and own Martins.
For goodness sake, get on with the comparison!!!!!!
scrolling is your friend, imbecile!!!
Yeah, really... they do these repeated and excessive attempts at being witty before every single video, to the point where its not even remotely funny.
Absolutely!
Agreed
@@maraviyoso8473 shut up
I wish they would make a 414 that sounded like the 814 but without the decorations
What’s with these hard strummers - soften your feel. The fingerpicking was lovely though
Playing starts at 2:23
Amazing you can hear a slight difference. I was always told these were impossible to hear difference.
I hear much more depth in the rosewood. I pick out rosewoods without knowing they are every time.... Because its my preference :-)
About Paul's Martin shirt... Did you know that in the office area at Taylor guitars you will find guitars from various guitar makers? They have them because they are different guitars and good guitars..At Taylor! This was mentioned by Andy Powers himself on one of his interview videos.
very cool. good guitars are good guitars, no reason to limit oneself
Finger picking seemed better with rosewood. It would have been different with a plectrum/pick. Ovangkol sounds nicer with picks.
I like the look of Ovangkol but the tone of Rosewood is undeniable.
Please compare to the Yamaha all solid rosewood cutaway A series models.
I have a 414ce ovangkol. I played a lot of acoustics before buying it including basically every guitar that was in its class that guitar center had in stock that day. There was no question that the ovangkol 414 was the one for me. Tone is subjective but the intonation if the guitar is so good. The tone is very balanced but has a caramel like sweetness to it in the mids and upper mids. Definition is great and very dynamic. It is a wonderful guitar that I got lucky to find.
Just did the same and played ever guitar my local store had.
Definitely the Rosewood is deeper and more pleasing to the ear.
Agree.
Don Littlejones give it 5 years the ovangkol ages better
Put a gun to my head --- the rosewood. Also, enjoy you guyz UN-scripted. Just random stuff/fun back-n-forths works best for me.
I definitely preferred the rosewood.
2:15 into 4 min video and no strumming yet!
I was fortunate to pick up an Ovankol, maybe the first one in Canada. It sounds fantastic, the Bass is wonderful, sounds better when you're in the room than on a video. You really can't make an accurate comparison off of a video. Go to your Taylor Dealer and play them with your own hands, listening with your ears.
I have the Ovangkol. I love the guitar, but the battery compartment is stuck!
Over 2 minutes in of mindless waffle and chit chat and they still haven't started the review . . . GET ON WITH IT!!!!!!
Can you guys do a review on a Martin and a Taylor t-shirts? 😀
What strings do you guys recommend using?
Elixir Phosphor Bronze Light are recommended by Taylor. Those are the same strings used in this video and sound great!
@@TheAcousticLetter So many guitars come strung with light gauge strings these days (and coated light gauge strings to boot, unfortunately).
You have to wonder if the structure of the guitars will not support medium gauge strings - which always sound better to me.
Most new guitars will handle Lights or Mediums.
Do you people know how to use a cursor?
Whats the tune he finger picks?
Rosewood is too bright; ovankol is not enough bass! Also, time doesn't exist!
ok that's weird or, at least, counter-intuitive: I expected the rosewood to sound fuller and deeper and just more lush. In this demo, those descriptors better fit the Ovangol, to my ears.
I thought the Ovangkol was clearly more balanced with the first strumming lick. I thought the the second lick was about even
East Indian Rosewood is not supposed to sound balanced. BTW, neither is Ovangkol, but because Ovangkol is midrange heavy, it's perceived to be more balanced than RW. Rosewood will be more boomy and produce more overtones, while Ovangkol will be punchier and more articulated because of its stronger fundamental tone.
"Time doesnt really exists" somebody here has been watching george carlin videos...
Time sure did catch up with him... unless it was the deep state that caught up with him, annoyed by his unauthorized revelations...
The rosewood seemed to have a brighter sound. The ovangkol was mellower, more like a mahogany guitar. Both nice.
Skip to 2:22 for the actual comparison. Then you don't have to sit through the cheesy banter about his shirt.
maybe the RW is brighter?
I was hearing more bass notes from the ovangkol and less response in the mid range. The rosewood seemed more balanced throughout ranges of bass, mid, treble... I did like the lower more mellow bassy ovangkol tones.. I think the nod goes to rosewood.
Ovangkol sounds a bit like cabbage...
Joking aside, the Ovangkol guitar sounded like it was several sizes smaller than the Rosewood version, but with improved clarity, like having a walnut back
The rosewood sound better to me
that martin t-shirt though
Seems to me that O is a strummers guitar, R is a picker's.
those first chords sound like strongs weppsss! in the 2 guitars.😝😝
I thought the ovangkol sounded better. Plain and simple
2:23
both okay level just diffrent tastes
Skip to 2:22 to avoid all their shit-talk.
3-1/2 minute video . And 2-1/2 minutes of blabbering. Lest than 3/4 of a minute of playing to compare.... REALLY?
No time to flatpick.. so we could actually hear what the individual notes sounded like when you really get on them ...
Taylor is the Church Lady guitar. Ironic, because Taylor Guitar is a member of WISE, and as such is a business run by the principles of the "Church" of Scientology.
They keep selling "innovations" at Taylor, usually just increasing profit on guitars.
They are very expensive, and there will never be anything cool about a Taylor. Ever.
Few serious acoustic guitar players play Taylors. They have no history, they only find ways to cheaply produce expensive guitars and force their dealers to take many more than they can sell, threatening them with cancelling their dealerships if they don't. They are greedy assholes.
Don't be a douche, get a Martin or Gibson or Guild...new or old, and PLAY it, don't just sit there like a lame-ass lawyer or doctor who just polishes his shiny new Taylors, and chats online about this recycled
cello "V-bracing" nonsense.
I'm a Martin owner. Never heard any of what you're saying before as I know very little about Taylor. Most of them (Taylors) sound tinny and sorta cheap to me, but they play and look nice. I played the K14, I think it was, recently and was disappointed. I'm trying to determine which guitar to buy next. Santa Cruz or another Martin it looks like. I'm not a brand snob, but I think Yamaha makes a better sounding guitar than Taylor. Just doesn't carry the same prestige I suppose. Or maybe I'll just stick with my D-16GT and buy an Ernie Ball music man electric. I played a D-18 recently and it didn't sound or play any different than my D-16. The only guitar that really sounds distinctively different in the standard series Martin line up is the D-41 imo.
Way too much speaking.
TAKE OFF THE DAMN SHIRT!!!
Seriously! Who wears a rafting shirt to review a guitar! haha
3 Card Monty a guy who lives in Bozeman lol