@@pindanetel And here we have exmple one of how differences are used to treat others as inferior. Please go ahead. Tell me some differences between the sexes that equate to one sex being inferior to the other and therefor worthy of being treated as lesser. Go ahead.
About monogamy, in cave sites that were occupied over a hundred thousand years in southern Africa and built of layers of occupation, archaeologists have been able to determine gender groupings and that most common was not straight one man/one woman combinations. But when there were such groupings they tended to last longer, be more stable. Conclusion: most people aren't monogamous but it is a more stable structure. Larger organized groups, kingdoms, religions would recognize this and promulgate (or legislate) monogamy for that reason. And it's a more likely way or keeping to the teachings, beliefs and traditions of a particular group as well as share and spread a common language. Monogamy helps build a dynasty.
@@Miner-dyne - what lasting institutions are based on Genghis Khan? They were mostly a roaming mob except where some of his descendants built on the local tradition. He proves the point.
Unfortunately the title of this video is bound to draw unwanted visitors to this channel. Hopefully they will listen to the content, and interact with each other civilly. Thanks for another thought provoking upload.
This is a big reason I decided to make this video. That and I wanted to honour women on International Womens Day, but I wasn't able to release it on time.
@@FortressofLugh Moran taing! the video is very well done as are all of your videos. the videos have filled in blanks that I didn't have from one side of the house of my ancestors.
Another woman in history overlooked, is Queen Rosemund Daughter of The Last Gepid King Cunimund. When Cunimund was defeated and his kingdom taken by a joint force of Avars, and Lombards under King Alboin, who would lead his people into Italy for fear of his once Allie’s ambitions. As the Avars had promised to aid the Lombards but sat back and let the Gepids bleed the monstrous forces. Cunimund was beheaded by The Lombards and his daughter Rosemund was taken by force as a wife to Alboin. A year after the Gepids defeat in 567, the Lombards moved West South-West into Italy. On the 1 year anniversary of the Gepids defeat however, the warriors presented a drinking cup made from the skull of King Cunimund to King Alboin at the feast. Who in his cruel and drunken state forced Rosemund to drink from her fathers skull. She vowed her revenge, and waited for her chance. She either seduced the foster brother of the king or he fell for her, either way Helmgis, and Rosemund plotted to steal the throne, with the aid of the Prefect Longinus of Ravenna, the Roman Capitol of Italy at the time. She then recruited the kings chambermaid Peredo, to set up King Alboin by leaving the door to his hall open, and removing the kings sword from its place. He then poisoned his food and Either he or Helmgis finished Alboin. Soon after Rosemund and Helmgis were forced to flee to Ravenna with a portion of the Lombard army, presumably that portion loyal to The Kings foster brother and shield bearer Helmgis, and the royal treasury. Some tales have them being caught and killed by the pursuing Lombards, others have them escaping to Ravenna, with Albion’s daughter Albsuinda in tow. And eventually falling out and killing each other in the city. Where Longinus sent the treasury and Albsuinda on to Constantinople by ship. Either end of the story, allows for Rosemund to have gotten her revenge. By corrupting, or giving an excuse to an already corrupted brother, Turing him against his king, splitting the army, stealing the treasury and or possibly ending the long and famous line of The Lombard Migration Era Kings. With power being split between 30 sewerage Dukes after Albion’s death. Moral is, don’t mess with woman’s family and expect no retribution.
It is true that women in ancient Europe north of the Alps had more freedom than women in the Mediterranean and the Middle East, but the difference was small and the freedom was matched by more duties for women , In Northern Europe women used to plow the land and do hard work like men, unlike in the Mediterranean and the Middle East
@kippkipper4126 yeah of course , they had some freedom to be able to play some masculine roles that women in the Middle East and the Mediterranean did not play but they were always under the authority of men as it was in the Mediterranean and the Middle East
Yet you are here because of it, so it didn't turn out all bad at least. Part of the reason behind arranged marriages is that others can often see what will work out better in the long run through age and an outside vantage. Romantic love is not something that tends to make a sustainable relationship because it is ultimately fleeting. I don't at all condone forcing two people to be married. Doing so can cause resentment and a terrible outcome. However, some cultures still do arrange marriages because they believe the results end up better.
Better than what? Honestly, women/daughters were traded as commodity (still are).. If you scored a man who actually didn’t beat you, or drag a child or 2 from out of one of his escapades/mistresses, you were deemed blessed…. What has changed now?
Hera always punished Zeus' "mistresses" though, even those who were r*ped by him. Besides that, patrilocal marriages (women living in her husband's family/household) simply meant that the women have no family who can give her social support. Thus, this means that they're basically sl*ves of their husbands and his family. The husbands also "legally managed" his wife's property, which means her family is paying the man to marry her. To be fair, Christianity did destroy any autonomy that women once had by incorporating the incredibly misogynistic desert religion into Europe.
Power is always held by those who already have it. Size and strength would have been power. These rules and laws you speak of were written by men . What rights you are granted are not always what you earn by force or strength.
I disagree. Pregnant and nauseous women will PREFER to send men out to take necessary risks, not themselves if it can be helped. These laws were not written by men as if society is a weekend mans club. Look at the harem for example. Women made that happen. Total protection, the best, food, best education, clothes, medical care. And after having one child, largely could retire. If an alien biologist came to earth and saw the harem system, he would be think women were quite intelligent in establishing such a great survival strategy . The reality is, survival of the species requires people function as a unit and nobody, not men or women , really get to choose our roles in life. Men have to doe for the family, men have to fight, men have to constantly take physical risks hunting. Maybe all men dont relish that as a crazed power experience.
@@deborahdean8867 no . Some of what you say is logical but size and strength beats clever words every time. And men never were under any obligation to support women. They never had to defend them because women were not required for the survival of the individual . They were a resource. A resource that was bought and sold and traded . A resource that was often wasted on a funeral pyre , or set adrift with the ship of the king. None of that is right , but it is factual . Women were traded for cattle and horses . Hence a bride's dowry . Women were a resource. Not the ruling class , or mystical guides of some secret wisdom. As for a pregnant woman sending a man out , lmao . Really ? He could just go buy another woman . But he cant just buy another life of his own. As to offspring , why do you think they had harems ? So that the guy could churn out as many offspring as he could. Then typically 1 would inherit and the rest ? Well not so much. Those that didnt win the dads favorite game , well theyd be better off else where. How many wives did Genghis Kahn have ? Or any Pharaoh ? Concubines ? Courtesans ? Its all the same. Pick an emperor from anywhere and tell me how many wives he had. Because having a commodity is a status symbol.
That's right I saw video on RUclips on women in boxing and military about fighting with men and wrestling some were big as the hulk as well but men still won over them that means in police and military even if men didn't work out but work though could still win over women cops etc in general women can't do it muscle and texture and muscle mass and tissue muscle mass are texturely still weaker than man's maybe less then one percent or just one percent to five percent could do it not not in general most lady cops today still get beaten up by men and others do police brutality on males cause not strong enough are toxic man haters misandry male phobia phobic and paranoid so most can't do it most are toxic feminist and most falsely accuse and most too independent not want to marry etc cause of careers yes exceptions can do it but these were not feminist few aren't today either the feminist in late 1800s to 1900s sufferagets bombed the police stations post offices etc to vote and work cause WW1 and 2 blaming Germans bombing the plants with Ammu military plants etc terrorism in 20th century they weren't good people so no i don't believe in feminism but equality of exceptions yes
The prevalence of abduction of women for marriage is interesting, in that it was also practiced by those other steppe dwelling horse people, the Turks and Mongols. While officially banned, it is still done occasionally is some central Asian countries .
In the early 90s, so just post Soviet communist 70 year era, I attended a wedding in Irkutsk Siberia and stayed with the bride's family half the week and in the groom's family's the other half... And we were grabbed up to participate in the traditional events, such as The groom came to the bride's home 3 nights before the wedding with his groomsmen, bearing a briefcase and talking of offering great wealth and status for their daughter in marriage- to which her father said you must convince HER not myself, offer to her mother though, and the mother scoffed and said prove you are man enough to deserve her first then we'll talk. Lots of laughter and playacting, the bride heard upstairs bewailing her fate of having such an idiot groom and demanding to choose herself... The next night the bride and groom disappear, and nobody says a word as frenetic wedding preparations and gatherings go on... Then the groomsmen came the night before the wedding TO THE GROOMS HOME with the best man carrying that same briefcase stuffed with cash and valuables- Why? Well, you see, their job was to retrieve the stolen bride for her family honor, convince the groom to do the honorable thing too and formally marry her first--- but then her parents then show up behind them and declare the groom proved her really wanted her gor herself, and the bride proved she really wanted HIM by not killing him already! Everyone shakes hands, and the bride is carried away in celebration to prepare for the wedding party while the groom is swept off by his men to drink him under the table for having won the day with her family. This has GOT TO have really old origins, but no one could really explain it to me then- it was just what was done by everybody, regardless of background.
This is why this channel is so worthy of 10 million subscribers. It's common on this channel that the video is not only well researched and edited, but it will also be about a subject that is uncommon and either completely overlooked or just touched on briefly by most others. The above is stated much more simply by my childhood favorite Monty Python and I quote; "And now for something completely different"
Made up it's debunked it's going to be debunked every thing always was even about WW2 it was mostly debunked of gmans starting every thing Russians did genocide on Germans so revenge came
European females whether blonde, brunette or redhead or whether Celt, Teuton, Latin or Slav include so many beautiful, wonderful women, right up to our own time.
TBH other women often look like masculine in comparison. Definitely not always and some groups more than others. Women resent other women that are better looking so it creates a lot of jealously in diverse settings.
This is respectful, comprehensive and insightful work and as a woman I am grateful for your point of view. We are on the cusp of a new historical refection of everything. God Bless.
I'm an Iraqi Mesopotamian Arab from an entirely different kind of a world and culture, however I've had the pleasure of traveling and I lived in Russia for 8 months of study. There I've seen different people and experienced the treatment of European Women, and I must say 90% of them were positive. From the first contact in airport, to the kind teachers who treated with respect and care, other encounters were very strange for my country standards, for example I was once lazy and took an elevator for one level and the Russian women said to me you're so young why are you even here? And she took to the highest floor and told get some sport. Other were more of a warm experience when I walked out of a bus in the winter and my hood was down, a woman approached me and covered my head and told you're not used to our Russian Winters, take care and warm yourself. I must say I returned home and I miss this social interaction because in my home these may be considered vulgar or impolite because of the difference yet they were gentle acts.
Yes we can all be enlightened by experiencing a foriegn culture first hand without the 'stained' view we get when viewed from our own cultural views. We are after all just one big family.
Our shared Pagan past reveals a deeper kindness to all. I miss a friend who has your name. His family was forced to leave the U.S. in 1980, age 11. I fear he might have died in the Iran-Iraq war a few years later. He was a sweet friend, who taught me to count to 10 in Persian. I didn't care about his religion and my family's being different. I care about him. Take the blessings I offer, and Be Well. Strong women make a strong culture. Weak men break their women, and harm us all.
As appealing as this is, there’s a time and place limitation to what you say. As France entered the high Middle Ages, for instance, aristocratic incentives had women traded as brides with very little concern for their wishes. The insistence of the Church upon consent in marriage served to undermine secular activities. Whatever political wishes clerics may have had, they were at least doctrinally consistent on that point. Whatever positive or powerful roles may have been played by women in Greco-Roman myth, the standardized treatment of women in that society was rather unpleasant. The Christianizing of Rome largely put an end to the forced marriage of prepubescent girls and the exposure of female infants, which was extremely common. The Romanizing of Christianity in turn likely led to many parts of the attitude the clerics took towards some customs by the time they got to Northern Europe. Celtic Christianity was, well, Celticized rather than Romanized and had many differences from Catholicism, not least in the roles taken by women. Even its eventual absorption by the Catholic Church did not immediately change the practices that prevailed in Ireland and some other places.
And in later times, Catholic diocese in many places are going bankrupt from sexual assault and indigenous murder lawsuits. I wouldn’t personally paint the Church as the savior.
Celtic Christianity still exists. Here in the Northeast of the U.S. there is at least one Orthodox Celtic Christian church. There may be many solitary practitioners.
Thank you. I think men too often choose to forget the value of women. So much goes into supporting a working husband, keeping house and raising children. Plus, for so many today, hold employment outside the home. Yet, what I hear is a lot of complaints about women as if our roles and responsibilities are not important.
@@KD400_ So our role is to spend our lives devalued, abused, our work no recognized, etc? Feminism can be pushed too far, but certainly the efforts of the feminist movement has shed the light on those things. From not even being considered a person to have some rights, is good for all society.
@@JudyBarrette agree, and just as all men are not hunters, not all women need to be domestic masters. There are many talents both sexes can bring to the world. The trouble are the systems that form from big Capital centralized powers, ever since we left small tribes and now the technology that allows further development of systems of centralized control
Something that is not well known is that biologically women are about half as likely as men to be colour blind and about twice as likely as men to have tetrachromatism, meaning that they can see literally thousands of colours that most people cannot. I think this may be one reason that so many women have excelled historically at visual-based arts and crafts.
I think you're taking it in the wrong way... a "colour blind" man can spot something that for normal people would be canouflaged, while tetrachromy is not helpful due to her election of colours would be alien to normal people. Women excel on red shades identification or else, risking to poison their families with a wrong fruit picking.
I mean I’m a neurodivergent artist female (non-binary but still) and a feminist, so not exactly representing the majority here, but I highly suspect I have Tetrachromacy (it’s incredibly difficult to find testing and apparently the tests I’ve taken online aren’t very accurate) but also I get damn near high on beauty and color. And while I do want to learn to be a badass sword fighter and literally have the opportunity to do so, I literally have to decide on a weekly basis “learn to sword fight this week or do medical painting or work on making good looking clothing” and it’s a *really* tough choice every time, but the art usually wins. I’m more interested in learning how to make a beautiful sword than fight with one. Just barely but still. I think it’s funny.
I’ve been saying these things to people for years!!! I studied archaeology and I did archaeology in Europe, so I can say from my experience these things are very true. It’s kind of infuriating that most of my discussions with people involve them refusing to accept women were EVER in power. I’ve told them that at many times, throughout history, women have very clearly been in actually power over all society. Matriarchy was NOT unusual in prehistory, and even for much of history, matriarchy was legitimately the rule in many parts of the planet. It was FAR from being male-dominated. Anyone who doesn’t believe this, just doesn’t know history. Sadly knowledge of history is more and more lacking in most people I know these days.
Gimbutas' theory regarding the existence of a European-wide, peaceful, Goddess-centered religion has been mostly proven false, as I understand it. And this has been done mostly by women archaeologists and historians. The only culture of that type that has been found was in ancient Sweden, and it was FAR from peaceful. Numerous ring forts throughout the country, and well over 200 sacrificial victims, too. At least half of these were of young girls of about 14 years of age. The use of ring forts was widespread throughout Europe. If things were so peaceful, why would they be needed?
And one guy said in video there were no women warriors in Sweden like Germany and Holland till 1930s hire non feminist women in army to keep feminist out yes non feminist would do that if pissed off of feminist and corrupt fake jooes that sudated Germans males and non feminist by all three Russia joose and feminist
I dont know why it is that hard to belive that there were warrior women, when we have warrior women today. There are Ukranian women currently fighting against invading Russians. There are warrior kurdish women in iran. There were Hungarian women who fought against the ruskis. We are not that different than ancient humans, it wold be silly to belive that women just evloved the need and courage to protect whats theirs a hundred years ago.
Vast majority of the war footage of those wars were men fighting men. When women do fight, both historically, and today, it's an exception to the rule. Are you fighting any wars? And I mean other than online flame wars with polemics against White men.
@@CuFhoirthe88 no cause my country isnt being attacked. But guess what, Hungarian women fought against the ruskis too. My great grandmother was a doctor and a volunteer medic during ww2. Slavic women do fight. Maybe its just the women from where you from that dont.
@@Sofia-kr9fb Again there are the exepction to the rulle. Most women will never be fighters like men are. Women get scared and are affected by warfare much more, and i don't mean it as something bad but it's just the truth. It thinks its alot better that men fight wars and women care for the children and the injured at home. Ofcourse there can be the odd ones out who do join the men in war but it will never be and should never be an equal amount to men because that means that we as men have failed.
Great video. Just one thing Queen Medb of Connacht is pronounced "May-ve" the db can be confusing for non Irish speakers. The modern spelling is Méabh often anglicised as Maeve
@@gildedpeahen876 The pronunciation of different words in Irish or Gealic will change depending on the dialect, Ulster, Connacht, Munster etc. Common names here like Siobhan or Niamh can be difficult for non Irish
It was actually pronounced Med-v, I know it sounds shocking because in modern Ireland its pronunciation changed but that's the way it was said back then. ) I was surprised to hear it myself from my Celtic Civ professor but it also makes perfect sense to me , knowing the etymology
Hearing such a grounded and nuanced analysis is such a breath of fresh air in a world where information is specially curated to fit one narrative or the other. Excellent work Lugh!
One task especially North European women was responsible for was food rationing during the harsh winter months. The sign of this was the key (to the outhouse were the food was stored). Mismanagement could lead to severe starvation, strife and dissolution of the entire settlement.
Can you talk about the changes for women in a pre Christian and post Christian Europe..especially UK? How did the idea of succession and inheritance change before and after Christianity? How were the rights of a womans kid held? Favor of their husband ?
The reason why women could be warriors is because the Indo-European homeland on the Steppes was suited to Horse Archery with Compound Bows that enabled women to have the ability to kill and escape without engaging with men in hand to hand combat.
Makes sense. If your tribe is under the threat of extinction, then it's best that all able hands are called on deck. An arrow can pierce a heart just like a spear.
are you sure about that?.. what's the draw weight on one of those bows? probably at least around 100-120 pounds. not to mention the physical prowess required of a horse archer to shoot while riding.
I took this anthropology class once, and we covered the exceptions to the rule of pair bonded marriages, obviously it is the global norm, but it appears that groups that live in harsher conditions where mortality rates are naturally higher (typically because of local climate) engage more often in polygamy as a norm. This needle can tip both ways, pre-christian Inuit, for example might be married to two or more brothers. It should come as no surprise that men that far north frequently died on the hunt. Some areas where food is more scarce, like various desert dweller groups before any modernization, a man might more frequently have more wives... I imagine this might be due to less resources, it would be preferred that only some men have families, probably at the expense of having less adult men to feed, or less children in the tribe in total. However, the most interesting to me is the Yanamamo of the Amazon basin where they still have a forager lifestyle.... They live in one of the most resource abundant places there is, and they frequently allow a young person to marry an elder first, as a teacher of sexuality and cohabitation, before they go on to have a second marriage with someone close in age.....odd, but interesting.
In desert many men die so it is very sensible for polygamy to exist. Dunno about the way with many husbands to one wife. Maybe if there is too many man ?
some polygamy ( polygyny) could also be due to lots of warfare and fewer men. polygamy in ancient times was a form of public welfare that was taken care of thru marriages.
Idk, I think yes, women definitely were revered and honored throughout time, for many MANY reasons. But I feel like some of this leans towards elitism or nepotism. If only a handful of women have or may have an opportunity of power, only because they’re related to or have a connection to an important man. That spells elitism or nepotism to me.
The same argument could be made about men, only a handful of men held all the power in most societies throughout history, and as such, they had privileges that most other men could only dream of having, both in their relationships with women and their duties towards their people. So the dynamic becomes more about the haves and the have nots of history which could be both male and female, rather than the black and white men vs women rhetoric that is so misguidedly famous today.
@@msg5879 No, all men have power over women under patriarchy, which we still sadly live under. We are not talking about capitalism, which oppresses all. But sex based oppression. They are different. Men do not experience sex based oppression.
I just came from your video about Welsh history and mythology. As a Welshman, I loved it. The thing that I find quite fascinating is my nan, whose surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin. My grandfather of Irish Gaelic origin, yet I am born in Wales, and have long considered myself Welsh. My nan was a hard woman, I lived with her for a time, and my grandfather a hard man, whom I spent a lot of time with. They taught me a lot, my Nan would teach me chess and if I ever misbehaved she’d call me “a little shit” and would close my pinky finger and squeeze it. My grandfather taught me to play rugby. They were great people and I hold it to them for making me the man I am today. Strong beliefs and to forge myself into the best I can possibly be and never letting misfortunes hold me back. I doubt people care about personal stories, but it’s nice to remember those who had a big influence on my life. Rest well.
We need more personal stories. Maybe then, the immature adults who are coddled into thinking they have problems, when they don't, will get some insight. I once knew a woman who thought it was doomsday when she broke a nail, got a flat tire, a bad haircut, etc. Until one day she suffered true hardship. Funny, but she never complained about insignificant things anymore.
My wife controls the money in our family, I make it, and she spends it well. I go off to work, and she raises our children, pays our bills, and makes sure that our home is filled with the things we need as a family... I am good at making money, and she is good at making the best of it for caring for our children and myself. She is a better wife than I have ever been a husband...
@@pacochawa2746 My father was a fantastic single dad in the 70's and 80's when it was almost unheard of, but he still taught me that a traditional family was the best way to go, so my wife and I chose that. She is a stay at home mom, and has been even before we had our children. She takes care of the home, and I provide for the home, we both have our parts to play, neither of us is "not pulling our weight."
My friend this is BBC grade documentary. The amount of work you put into this is tremendous. Also it is so informative, and puts so much perspective regarding the rich complexity of history when compared to the daft trends we can witness nowadays
This came up in my recommended, and judging by the comments, it sounds like it's going to advocate for extreme binaries in society and say that women didn't have it that bad. Can anyone chime in before I possibly waste time listening to this?
Yeah, apparently it's a men's rights terrorist take. 'women were never actually oppressed'.....oh, they can sod right off! Btw, women still ARE oppressed by men!
you missed washer women... washer women were tough and independent, and, along with spinner women, able to support themselves with no requirement of a man. they tended to have more freedom sexually, maritally and were not regarded as good targets for abuse, as washing clothes at the time required immense physical strength and stamina. as such she was fully capable of thrashing most would be assaulters.
Lol thanks! I’ve always thought that! As a physically fit woman working in physically demanding jobs a lot of my life, I’ve always cherished my strength and stamina. When I saw the Rueben’s cartoons (ink sketches) of female nudes that described the model as a washerwoman, I recognised the body 😂 muscular, not skinny, powerful and owned by someone who valued and liked her body😊 Rueben’s models had more body fat than is fashionable nowadays, but those ladies were fit and strong👍👍
This is.... not good. The fact that the female relatives of powerful men can also enjoy prestige does not make a society anti-patriarchal. That's just lazy.
That's right it's toxic feminism that's why there are Mrs and men going their own way they can't take it no more and live as monks and work avoiding women cause of false accusations
@@KD400_ Andrew Tare held women hostage against their will and made them prostitute and do porn while he collected the money. Not a shining example of wholesomeness
@@foodconnoisseur9321 Ah yes, the solution to the problem moderates created by doing nothing while the corpo-state brainwashed them is punishing the people that want to make a change Classic fence sitter
Such an honest and balanced perspective and so much to learn and revisit! So many questions I have had about history and mythology for decades were addressed or answered in this one video. Much like all of your videos, absolutely astounding!
Sure you would have. It's just most people fall in love and as also want to have sex. Marriage is only to protect the rights of women. But if you didnt want to marry you could always stay at home with your parents, hire yourself out as some kind of tutor or servant. You'd be expected to stay away from men. You could enter a religious order. Exactly what is it you think you couldnt do? Because as the urban environment grew, women could basically just get jobs ESPECIALLY IF they were single. And if you're talking times before urbanization, you could just stay home. A farm is a farm. You'd be doing the same work as everybody else , farm work or whatever. So just what choices do you think you missed out in? Being born into royalty? Having the opportunity to be a pirate or a soldier? You, nor any man from your village, would have been able to be senators or governors etc because you would both be equally ignorant, uneducated and unsophisticated , dirt poor country bumpkins, unsuitable for lofty power roles.
Concerning Marija Gimbutas, what about the Talheim death pit in Germany? Or the burial of an Early European Farmer elite from the Varna Necropolis dated to 5th millennium BCE? The grave was full of gold; he even wore a golden codpiece.
So well done, as always! 👏🏻 And just what our society needs to hear, and remember. ❤ polarity is a good thing. Thank you for your exquisite presentation, my good sir! 🥳🤩
Exactly we shouldn't strive to be the same. A women with her Strengths and weakneses and a man with his is the perfect union. They work together in such a magnificent way, i don't want us to ever be "equal" or what some people think equal means. We already are equal, we just are different.
That was such an interesting and inspirational video. I really appreciate all your hard work and research and especially the deep respect you show for both men and women during your talk. Thank you for such an fabulous subject. :)
Who, of any sense, said women were "hated" or unable to at times hold power or influence in antiquity. I appreciate the perspective here but let's get real, a womans ability to own her destiny was limited at best.
Everybody's ability to own their own destiny was limited at best. It's called survival. Guys had no more choice in their roles than women did. Why is it women are blind to this? Propaganda? Its been incredibly childish.
The more society is one where survival is the most important issue, the more traditional gender roles are important. This talk about owning your destiny is a byproduct of the progress we made, as to not have to focus on pure survival anymore. That's just the truth of the human condition. Still today it's mostly man who go to war and when large scale catastophies happen it's men who deal with it, because it's in mans nature. I think a society were man creates and builds the world, and women enjoys the fruits of mans labour while raising kids is a far much better world. Women shouldn't be the ones doing manual back breaking labour, it should be men doing it for them.
@@latviankhan2989 Thanks for sharing your perspective! I'm aware of the Maslows Hierarchy of Needs theory, so I agree to some extent. Gender isn't a factor in that but I see where your coming from in regards to once needs are met there is more flexibility for self and society. I feel like you contradict yourself though when you talk about progress influencing destiny. With progress comes options, flexibility, as you say. Well that should probably include a woman's ability to choose her role in society. Not all women have this innate desire to be mother's. What then? It seems progress would allow for more variance. I appreciate the importance of Masculine and Feminine energy constructs but don't think biological gender has as much to do with it. You paint an idealistic picture of men stepping up to provide safety and structure, this is often far from the case. And while you seem to have a respect for both roles that rigid ideology usually leads to a power differential where the woman gets the shirt end of the stick, their part is not seen as necessary and powerful in us own right. A lovely discussion my friend. Something we can benefit from in our beautiful human community. 🙂
@@deborahdean8867 I'm far more informed on what Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs are and the Social Science principles behind it than you might think my friend. Be well.
Erased, ignored, distracted, stole or made to seem out of date or too radical... Basically, anything but just accepted. As a guy I think that that is probably the last thing we want for our mother, sisters daughters.... But...
The word "history" has nothing to do with the possessive adjective "his". It did not develop from an Old English word, but Latin, a language in which there is no "his" Similarly, heretic and herpes don't come from "her".😂
The idea that a female warrior archetype in mythology is a reflection of a real life phenomenon is quite a big stretch. All human societies are patriarchal so describing some as patriarchal is kinda dumb.
The development of a matriarchal society is more suitable for forest peoples of north such as the Ugrians than for the steppe peoples of the plains, i.e. the Indo-Europeans. The main reason is the difference in the social structure where the hunters were away in the wilderness for long periods of time (in other words, were not present in the life of the community) and left the responsibility of the community, tribe, culture, spirituality and village to women alone. And when they came back they did the physical work, which is why the men played a servant and handyman role in the community outside of hunting seasons. This raised women to an important position and they had power over men in social and religious life as well as in the village and home.
it's usually mixed and we simply stupidly generalise men domain was outside house, women domain was in house that's how you see it in Philippines now men don't even stay inside house because it's downgrading their authority and makes it look as being as a woman and who was protecting women when they were hunting? Slavs were forest people and they burned the forest to farm land and they said there were different customs in different tribes some considered completely wild others more civilized probably because of being in closer ties with greeks and other folks around them but you are right these things do shape customs but no Slavs were matriarchal despite living typically in forests
This is always interesting to me that some people believe that women didn’t do physical labor. Foraging for food and perhaps killing it is hard labor. Working in gardens or in the fields growing food is hard labor. Throughout history, women have traditionally been the ones who carried water for their villages - hard labor. Birthing 2-10 children - hard labor. Cooking, cleaning, washing clothes on a rock, hard labor.
@@slytherinvampirebrony3647 Baltic Finns were farmers, although game hunting continued along with farming and livestock keeping. However, it is about a time around 4,000-2,500 years ago, which was relatively recently.
Why would the indo-iranian branch turn out to be so different? Honour killings if a woman just talks to a man, FGM (kurds for instance). Interesting difference 🤔
"Instigated by such suggestions, they unanimously rose in arms, led by Boadicea, a woman of royal descent - FOR THEY MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SEXES IN SUCCESSION TO THE THRONE - and attacking the soldiers dispersed through the garrisons, stormed the fortified posts, and invaded the colony itself, the seat of slavery." - Tacitus
By doing DNA Test with 23&me found out that woman Haplogroup H is predominantly in the Northern Europe. Most of my distant relatives have their mothers of Haplogroup H from H to H13 or higher. My mother is J1c2 enter Europe some 7000 years ago, and my father Haplogroup is I2a2 origin Scotland with Ancestral Home Doggerland. Proudly today Serbian, and of course knowing today about my origin looking over shoulder towards in distance to the land I came from 🇷🇸🏴👍
@andreamessiasgomes7118 If you don't trust one test, then do another one, compare them, and see what they have for you. Yes, they are pretty accurate. I had the same person in both tests and last names as well. Good luck
It's complicated. Some traits of Abrahamic religions like its treatment of women go back to before those religions arose, like the Arabs. Many societies in the past and even present practice arranged marriages even in non-Abrahamic societies (eg. India). It wasn't until the advent of the feminist movements of the 20th century when gender equality was established and enforced as a value. Granted, they weren't saints but it's something we should all be proud of in my opinion.
I agree. I don't like Abrahamism either or the jews destroying white countries. But, the freedom of modern women is out of control nowadays and is causing destruction.
The shift from an IE family to a nuclear christian family isn't as one-sided as you imply. The right of divorce gave women a counterweight but the christian marriage enforces men's loyalty at a theological/morale level, which highly benefits women in the end. In the end, the West, either indo-european or christian, remains an outlier when it comes to women's conditions.
Indo-European is an outdated term and a huge misnomer. It doesn't describe anyone in the Neolithic as the term refers to cultures that migrated for conquest, not happening in the Neolithic period. You're confusing cultures divided by centuries if not millennia. Women make life, men take it. That's still very true, in every major religion and most developed nations. We've learned little in a thousand years.
Mens role is to protect and provide for the women and children. Mens role as well as womens is to give life. If it werent for men, women wouldnt survive . If it werent for women, men wouldn't survive because they'd die of depression.
@@deborahdean8867 lol. Men have harmed women, not protected us. Terrorised us, and our children, and stolen our children. Women actually survive, and THRIVE without men. But men are the ones who literally cannot without women, which is again, part of why they chose to oppress us. Just look on any dating site, and it's full of whiny men who, due to not being legal now to force women, cannot get a date, and still think they are OWED one. Because they still view women as property. Women however, have no trouble getting a date, but do we want one, since they are all so misogynistic? Getting, and wanting are two totally different things. Most of the attention we get is unwanted. It's also proven in that most divorce is initiated by women, and single women are happy, where married women are not. But married men are happy (because they get whatever they want) while single men are not, because they are not being waited on. They don't seek love, or respect. They seek a servant.
Men "love and respect" their daughters and wives in was well... And still conspire to take away their right to decide things about their own body here in the USA so the fact ancient Sabine women were as well doesn't necessarily mean anything. In Ancient Greece the Oracle was a woman (most likely ill from exposure to volcanic gasses) but she did not have power, the male priests gave the official interpretation of whatever conundrum was on offer. Women as a whole occupy a different position with relation to the economy and property. There is more truth in that analysis than interpreting cultural iconography.
And just exactly who doesnt respect working class women? Or didnt used to? Working class men were no more 'respected' than women. Because it's about money. Poor means little power. As to respect, if anyone doesn't get respect its because either they have personal faults or they live around troubled people. I know this much, today women HAVE proven themselves equal with men , they are just as cruel and cold, actually moreso than men, just as power hungry, just as greedy, more controlling, than men are.
The winners write the history. If you look only at our entertainment (which is what myths are - stories), you would think that everything is peaches and cream for western women. Yet, I grew up at a time when I could not even get a credit card in my own name, nor own property or a business. At the same time, across the sea, our closest ally had a queen ruling them. (A Queen whose reign was the longest on record.) Without the actual writings of contemporaneous women, we really do not know what, if any, handicaps they suffered. Without written laws to examine, we don’t know what rights they may have had.
@kippkipper4126 I think most women would disagree with you. We have fought long and hard over the centuries to remove such primitive legal restrictions from our lives. That law comes from a time when men still waged warfare with arrows and swords; when evil spirits were blamed for illnesses and a comet in the sky was a harbinger of doom. No thanks.
As a AFAB feminist & history-lover, I want to thank you for the work & care you put into this video. I’m especially glad that you pointed out the importance of domestic work, especially in regards to textile work. A really good book that I recommend a the time is “Women’s Work: The First 20000 Years Women Cloth And Society In Early Times” by Elizabeth Wayland Barber, which also includes theories as to why certain tasks were assigned to women & some to men in those ancient periods.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Human dynamics are too complex to reduce them to stereotypes, and your narrative is a fresh reminder. I am female, but in my life have been able to practice some unconventional roles; that of pipeline blaster, and navy and commercial diver, but I have also been a potter and an artist. So there is no reason to not believe that other women have transcended their assigned roles in the past. History is fascinating, and your videos help bring it to life.
I should point out that Christianity at least the Catholic provided a rule that both spouse must have consented to the marriage. It was also they that prevented illegitimate children from inheriting.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school yes, illegitimate refers to a legal status and inheritance of goods. To do that you must have order and a way to know who is the real blood offspring. You can't be questioning who is 'the real' father, and if people run around screwing like chimps you'll never know.
4:30 what's interesting is that earlier, before modern techniques, a lot of archeologists just assumed a burial was male based on hrave goods it got. Only now we are starting to get the proper picture of just how much women there were, hypotheticaly, in the leading rolles among the military aristocracy, and how much males were "trophy husbands" by today's standards, buried with staff like mirrors and jewellery
Monogamy is also economical and promotes genetic diversity, since it makes it harder for let's say, a man to have like 50 biological offspring. Agknowledgement of both maternal and paternal bloodline also helps to keep track of inbreeding. It might not stop it, but it empowers individuals to make decisions about it.
Your opening statement... many forget these things...... Tacitus wrote about tribes, like Germanic. Even dead on the battlefield alongside the men. Women were also warriors. Different weapons etc but warriors. Good video. More women should watch this.
What an excellent presentation of a very important topic, especially in this age when society has become so deeply misled and embittered about the honourable roles women had in the past. I do have to make a point on the subject of shieldmaidens or warrior women. Norse Magic and Beliefs channel here on RUclips has a number of videos where he discusses women in the ancient Norse culture, and while it definitely did happen that women could fight in battle alongside men, he points out that it was REALLY BAD for a woman to be on the losing side of a battle and become a captive. The opposing army would severely r*pe and abuse warrior women for 'daring' to be equal to men. And yet, she who LARPs as a shieldmaiden chooses not to think about this, projecting the modern idea that anything 'defying the oppressive patriarchy' is always a good choice.
@kippkipper4126 what were the ancient clothing of German women and men before Christianisation of Europe because what they show the traditional clothes on wiki are from the Christian era ? Want to show these ignorant Europeans who think only western clothes are their clothes especially those who marry Indians and they get so happy thinking they have reached another dimension because they feel they have no culture.
Cossack women were trained to fight and the tradition still exists today. They would protect their homes when the men were away at war. Among southern Slavs, the word for widow is still "amuzhinka", "ka" being a suffix.
Polygamy wasn't always a choice, but a pre-modern welfare system. Wars were often, and men could be enslaved, and women added to the household to bare the next generation. Just a look at Islamic history, Ottomans more so, shows you the extent that the Harem system was also a product of war. Few Ottoman Sultans even had Turkish blood because their mothers were usually Europeans captured in wars. Same in the Caribbean. Carib men killed Arawak men, and kept the woman. So most of the Caribbean islands, before Columbus, had a mixed heritage people of 'Carib-Arawak' due to the outcome of wars. Wars were a fact of life, and that too must be factored in.
Wars were a choice that mainly men decided. They could have decided something else, but many people died and suffered uselessly for fragile egos, and useless battles over territory, resources and ideologies. War is not normal or a fact of life, it’s a choice, every single time.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school battles over territory and resources are certainly NOT useless or unnecessary or even vain. Its survival. Its life. The more territory the ricjer you are and dont pretend women didnt engage in that every chance they got. Women incite wars, not fight them. So they do what they can. Women LOVE more resources, far more than men do.
@@deborahdean8867 Oh do sod off. Women 'incite' wars? Where are you getting this garbage from? That has literally never been a thing. Nor are the things you mention 'honourable' or 'necessary', but cowardly, and barbaric. Only evil people seek power. Oh yes, women needing resources, because we are always the ones burdened with raising children, and all the domestic labour. What is your malfunction?? Men do not go to war for women! They do for their own selfish, evil purposes that women never asked for, and women, and children are the collateral damage, and literally property to be bought and sold! You act as if society did not thrive before patriarchy. We were able to meet our needs without violence, 'gender roles', or the rest of it. Just FINE. Men decided to oppress women, and conquer the world, because they are power hungry, and flawed.
The oldest version of Christianity still practiced today is Catholicism. The Catholic Church did grant women the right to chose their husbands by making marriage a sacrament, this made marriage a voluntary choice for women. Even to this day Catholic marriage lessons and vows emphasize the different but equally important roles men and women play in families and society. As a cradle Catholic who was raised in a Catholic village then moved into a mixed community as a child I can say with confidence that Catholic women are taught to speak their minds. The matriarch of a Catholic family is a deeply respected position to hold.
It is true that biblical teaching is patriarchal, but not to the detriment of women or some superiority complex (which I think is lost to people who don’t understand it he faith). It ultimately comes from genesis with Eve being the one who was deceived, while Adam just willingly sinned. Christian teaching would also say that women are the most beautiful of all of God’s creation, the wife is the crown of her husband and the woman the glory of all man. And men are to willingly lay down their lives for the sake of honoring and protecting women. To me that’s a beautiful picture of gender differences, but today people want men and women to be the exact equivalent of each other. Peace be with you brother
Great video, such a shame you excluded the battle these same women had to have to get a back some of the respect, status and power their ancient ancestors had.
I truly hate how this in our era has become a political football to toss and kick. Women of Europe were venerated as clan mothers and wielded high political power in such groups. Remember, Inana the Goddess of War became Athena for the Greeks over 5000 years later. Same Goddess, different name. We today are all being misled by political leaders in an attempt to create as much division as possible in order to create a caste system with them permanently on top so this division causes hate between sex, race, but- not the upper class?
Main mtd haplogroup of women of Europe, Middle East (indefenous population) is H. More likely West Asia, where Neolithic population appeared. Some indigenous populations like Armenians have intact lineages spanning for 8000 years, plus very rare haplogroups like K, T, W.
After reading some of the comments and comparing it to the mostly factual narration, I am completely convinced that people are intentionally kept ignorant by their religious inflicted beliefs and poor educations. Learn your history, read real books.
Think again then. Religion established womens rights from executing rapists to being spiritual leaders , business owners, etc. Women today are not oppressed, they are sexualized. And they arent sexualized by men as male against female because men and children as well as women are sexualized today. Judeaism, then christianity, and earlier zortostacism, established women's RIGHTS.
Excellent video. Difference does not denote inferiority. It is a pity that some do not realize this.
Well said!
The problem is not with differences, it's when those differences are treated as inferior.
Well said
@@Rune_Scholar differences actually mean inferiority in many cases
@@pindanetel And here we have exmple one of how differences are used to treat others as inferior. Please go ahead. Tell me some differences between the sexes that equate to one sex being inferior to the other and therefor worthy of being treated as lesser. Go ahead.
people think that 1950s America is what all of history looked like. it's insanity.
Or the Victorian Age.
It's stupidity also.
more insane is people read a few myths and generalise on whole ancient world 😅
It's presented that way on purpose. It's propaganda.
People think that 1950s America was like it's portrayed in modern culture.
About monogamy, in cave sites that were occupied over a hundred thousand years in southern Africa and built of layers of occupation, archaeologists have been able to determine gender groupings and that most common was not straight one man/one woman combinations. But when there were such groupings they tended to last longer, be more stable. Conclusion: most people aren't monogamous but it is a more stable structure. Larger organized groups, kingdoms, religions would recognize this and promulgate (or legislate) monogamy for that reason. And it's a more likely way or keeping to the teachings, beliefs and traditions of a particular group as well as share and spread a common language. Monogamy helps build a dynasty.
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I supposed Genghis Khan would have a different opinion, based upon his personal admixture to the human genome, and area ruled.
@@Miner-dyne - what lasting institutions are based on Genghis Khan? They were mostly a roaming mob except where some of his descendants built on the local tradition. He proves the point.
Unfortunately the title of this video is bound to draw unwanted visitors to this channel. Hopefully they will listen to the content, and interact with each other civilly. Thanks for another thought provoking upload.
This is a big reason I decided to make this video. That and I wanted to honour women on International Womens Day, but I wasn't able to release it on time.
@@FortressofLugh Moran taing! the video is very well done as are all of your videos. the videos have filled in blanks that I didn't have from one side of the house of my ancestors.
@@FortressofLugh what a simp
I'm very cautiously exploring this comments section. I know exactly what you mean.
Yeah fascists and white supremacists are unwanted scum. It’s unfortunate they are so prevalent in pagan spaces.
Finally! A measured perspective. Great work!
Another woman in history overlooked, is Queen Rosemund Daughter of The Last Gepid King Cunimund. When Cunimund was defeated and his kingdom taken by a joint force of Avars, and Lombards under King Alboin, who would lead his people into Italy for fear of his once Allie’s ambitions. As the Avars had promised to aid the Lombards but sat back and let the Gepids bleed the monstrous forces. Cunimund was beheaded by The Lombards and his daughter Rosemund was taken by force as a wife to Alboin. A year after the Gepids defeat in 567, the Lombards moved West South-West into Italy. On the 1 year anniversary of the Gepids defeat however, the warriors presented a drinking cup made from the skull of King Cunimund to King Alboin at the feast. Who in his cruel and drunken state forced Rosemund to drink from her fathers skull. She vowed her revenge, and waited for her chance. She either seduced the foster brother of the king or he fell for her, either way Helmgis, and Rosemund plotted to steal the throne, with the aid of the Prefect Longinus of Ravenna, the Roman Capitol of Italy at the time. She then recruited the kings chambermaid Peredo, to set up King Alboin by leaving the door to his hall open, and removing the kings sword from its place. He then poisoned his food and Either he or Helmgis finished Alboin. Soon after Rosemund and Helmgis were forced to flee to Ravenna with a portion of the Lombard army, presumably that portion loyal to The Kings foster brother and shield bearer Helmgis, and the royal treasury. Some tales have them being caught and killed by the pursuing Lombards, others have them escaping to Ravenna, with Albion’s daughter Albsuinda in tow. And eventually falling out and killing each other in the city. Where Longinus sent the treasury and Albsuinda on to Constantinople by ship. Either end of the story, allows for Rosemund to have gotten her revenge. By corrupting, or giving an excuse to an already corrupted brother, Turing him against his king, splitting the army, stealing the treasury and or possibly ending the long and famous line of The Lombard Migration Era Kings. With power being split between 30 sewerage Dukes after Albion’s death. Moral is, don’t mess with woman’s family and expect no retribution.
Hell hath no fury like a women scorned believe that's attributed to Benjamin Franklin
Great video 🙂
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It is true that women in ancient Europe north of the Alps had more freedom than women in the Mediterranean and the Middle East, but the difference was small and the freedom was matched by more duties for women , In Northern Europe women used to plow the land and do hard work like men, unlike in the Mediterranean and the Middle East
@kippkipper4126 yeah of course , they had some freedom to be able to play some masculine roles that women in the Middle East and the Mediterranean did not play but they were always under the authority of men as it was in the Mediterranean and the Middle East
@kippkipper4126 based on what?
This is a good compliment to Philosophy Tube's video on Witchcraft. Really enjoyed the listen!
Patriarchy is not Tyranny. There are rules of rulership and companionship in the Patriarchy.
Women need men to civilize them. Without men they degenerate.
Excellent! Really interesting 👌
Just remember, if she weighs the same as a duck that means she's made out of wood -- thus she's a witch!
My great-grandmother who was born in 1874 in Wisconsin was forced to marry a man she did not want to marry. She was in love with someone else.
We're talking about 4000 BCE - 400 CE not 1800 CE to 2000 CE
Yet you are here because of it, so it didn't turn out all bad at least.
Part of the reason behind arranged marriages is that others can often see what will work out better in the long run through age and an outside vantage. Romantic love is not something that tends to make a sustainable relationship because it is ultimately fleeting. I don't at all condone forcing two people to be married. Doing so can cause resentment and a terrible outcome. However, some cultures still do arrange marriages because they believe the results end up better.
Better than what? Honestly, women/daughters were traded as commodity (still are).. If you scored a man who actually didn’t beat you, or drag a child or 2 from out of one of his escapades/mistresses, you were deemed blessed…. What has changed now?
Women get to pick nowadays, some times yielding devastating consequences.
@@nordickat9248 Surely you can't be serious with that final question you pose?
Hera always punished Zeus' "mistresses" though, even those who were r*ped by him. Besides that, patrilocal marriages (women living in her husband's family/household) simply meant that the women have no family who can give her social support. Thus, this means that they're basically sl*ves of their husbands and his family. The husbands also "legally managed" his wife's property, which means her family is paying the man to marry her. To be fair, Christianity did destroy any autonomy that women once had by incorporating the incredibly misogynistic desert religion into Europe.
Power is always held by those who already have it. Size and strength would have been power. These rules and laws you speak of were written by men . What rights you are granted are not always what you earn by force or strength.
I disagree. Pregnant and nauseous women will PREFER to send men out to take necessary risks, not themselves if it can be helped. These laws were not written by men as if society is a weekend mans club. Look at the harem for example. Women made that happen. Total protection, the best, food, best education, clothes, medical care. And after having one child, largely could retire. If an alien biologist came to earth and saw the harem system, he would be think women were quite intelligent in establishing such a great survival strategy . The reality is, survival of the species requires people function as a unit and nobody, not men or women , really get to choose our roles in life. Men have to doe for the family, men have to fight, men have to constantly take physical risks hunting. Maybe all men dont relish that as a crazed power experience.
@@deborahdean8867 no . Some of what you say is logical but size and strength beats clever words every time. And men never were under any obligation to support women. They never had to defend them because women were not required for the survival of the individual . They were a resource. A resource that was bought and sold and traded . A resource that was often wasted on a funeral pyre , or set adrift with the ship of the king. None of that is right , but it is factual . Women were traded for cattle and horses . Hence a bride's dowry . Women were a resource. Not the ruling class , or mystical guides of some secret wisdom. As for a pregnant woman sending a man out , lmao . Really ? He could just go buy another woman . But he cant just buy another life of his own. As to offspring , why do you think they had harems ? So that the guy could churn out as many offspring as he could. Then typically 1 would inherit and the rest ? Well not so much. Those that didnt win the dads favorite game , well theyd be better off else where. How many wives did Genghis Kahn have ? Or any Pharaoh ? Concubines ? Courtesans ? Its all the same. Pick an emperor from anywhere and tell me how many wives he had. Because having a commodity is a status symbol.
I dunno, while Plato was pretty right about this topic, that seems to be an exception, not the rule!
That's right I saw video on RUclips on women in boxing and military about fighting with men and wrestling some were big as the hulk as well but men still won over them that means in police and military even if men didn't work out but work though could still win over women cops etc in general women can't do it muscle and texture and muscle mass and tissue muscle mass are texturely still weaker than man's maybe less then one percent or just one percent to five percent could do it not not in general most lady cops today still get beaten up by men and others do police brutality on males cause not strong enough are toxic man haters misandry male phobia phobic and paranoid so most can't do it most are toxic feminist and most falsely accuse and most too independent not want to marry etc cause of careers yes exceptions can do it but these were not feminist few aren't today either the feminist in late 1800s to 1900s sufferagets bombed the police stations post offices etc to vote and work cause WW1 and 2 blaming Germans bombing the plants with Ammu military plants etc terrorism in 20th century they weren't good people so no i don't believe in feminism but equality of exceptions yes
But the women from other ancient cultures?
The prevalence of abduction of women for marriage is interesting, in that it was also practiced by those other steppe dwelling horse people, the Turks and Mongols. While officially banned, it is still done occasionally is some central Asian countries .
Believe similar behaviors occurr in Thailand and Burma.
In the early 90s, so just post Soviet communist 70 year era, I attended a wedding in Irkutsk Siberia and stayed with the bride's family half the week and in the groom's family's the other half...
And we were grabbed up to participate in the traditional events,
such as
The groom came to the bride's home 3 nights before the wedding with his groomsmen, bearing a briefcase and talking of offering great wealth and status for their daughter in marriage- to which her father said you must convince HER not myself, offer to her mother though, and the mother scoffed and said prove you are man enough to deserve her first then we'll talk.
Lots of laughter and playacting, the bride heard upstairs bewailing her fate of having such an idiot groom and demanding to choose herself...
The next night the bride and groom disappear, and nobody says a word as frenetic wedding preparations and gatherings go on...
Then the groomsmen came the night before the wedding TO THE GROOMS HOME with the best man carrying that same briefcase stuffed with cash and valuables-
Why?
Well, you see, their job was to retrieve the stolen bride for her family honor, convince the groom to do the honorable thing too and formally marry her first--- but then her parents then show up behind them and declare the groom proved her really wanted her gor herself, and the bride proved she really wanted HIM by not killing him already!
Everyone shakes hands, and the bride is carried away in celebration to prepare for the wedding party while the groom is swept off by his men to drink him under the table for having won the day with her family.
This has GOT TO have really old origins, but no one could really explain it to me then- it was just what was done by everybody, regardless of background.
@@seaneendelong8065 had there been an 'abduction' element in the wedding rituals?
And it all went to hell with mass immigration from outsiders
This is why this channel is so worthy of 10 million subscribers.
It's common on this channel that the video is not only well researched and edited, but it will also be about a subject that is uncommon and either completely overlooked or just touched on briefly by most others.
The above is stated much more simply by my childhood favorite Monty Python and I quote;
"And now for something completely different"
Made up it's debunked it's going to be debunked every thing always was even about WW2 it was mostly debunked of gmans starting every thing Russians did genocide on Germans so revenge came
Love Monty Python
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European females whether blonde, brunette or redhead or whether Celt, Teuton, Latin or Slav include so many beautiful, wonderful women, right up to our own time.
The very concept of beauty is a White concept.
Women are worth far more than just their beauty. They are human beings.
No they aren't lol. All women are the same.
Fewer in ratio nowadays, mostly because of the great volume of sabotaging ideologies. But indeed that's very true.
TBH other women often look like masculine in comparison. Definitely not always and some groups more than others. Women resent other women that are better looking so it creates a lot of jealously in diverse settings.
This is respectful, comprehensive and insightful work and as a woman I am grateful for your point of view. We are on the cusp of a new historical refection of everything. God Bless.
I'm an Iraqi Mesopotamian Arab from an entirely different kind of a world and culture, however I've had the pleasure of traveling and I lived in Russia for 8 months of study.
There I've seen different people and experienced the treatment of European Women, and I must say 90% of them were positive.
From the first contact in airport, to the kind teachers who treated with respect and care, other encounters were very strange for my country standards, for example I was once lazy and took an elevator for one level and the Russian women said to me you're so young why are you even here? And she took to the highest floor and told get some sport.
Other were more of a warm experience when I walked out of a bus in the winter and my hood was down, a woman approached me and covered my head and told you're not used to our Russian Winters, take care and warm yourself.
I must say I returned home and I miss this social interaction because in my home these may be considered vulgar or impolite because of the difference yet they were gentle acts.
Yes we can all be enlightened by experiencing a foriegn culture first hand without the 'stained' view we get when viewed from our own cultural views. We are after all just one big family.
Be blessed. ❤
Our shared Pagan past reveals a deeper kindness to all. I miss a friend who has your name. His family was forced to leave the U.S. in 1980, age 11. I fear he might have died in the Iran-Iraq war a few years later. He was a sweet friend, who taught me to count to 10 in Persian. I didn't care about his religion and my family's being different. I care about him. Take the blessings I offer, and Be Well. Strong women make a strong culture. Weak men break their women, and harm us all.
Travelling and meeting other culture Berich us. Its in these meeting we learn and evolution happens . Its the reason humans has evolved
Ur lucky to interact with good women lol. Don't interact with western women lol they r a nightmare
What can I say, im a woman appreciator
I hate modern women. Not worth fighting for unlike ancient women.
However, modern men nowadays aren't much better.
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As appealing as this is, there’s a time and place limitation to what you say. As France entered the high Middle Ages, for instance, aristocratic incentives had women traded as brides with very little concern for their wishes. The insistence of the Church upon consent in marriage served to undermine secular activities. Whatever political wishes clerics may have had, they were at least doctrinally consistent on that point.
Whatever positive or powerful roles may have been played by women in Greco-Roman myth, the standardized treatment of women in that society was rather unpleasant. The Christianizing of Rome largely put an end to the forced marriage of prepubescent girls and the exposure of female infants, which was extremely common. The Romanizing of Christianity in turn likely led to many parts of the attitude the clerics took towards some customs by the time they got to Northern Europe. Celtic Christianity was, well, Celticized rather than Romanized and had many differences from Catholicism, not least in the roles taken by women. Even its eventual absorption by the Catholic Church did not immediately change the practices that prevailed in Ireland and some other places.
And in later times, Catholic diocese in many places are going bankrupt from sexual assault and indigenous murder lawsuits. I wouldn’t personally paint the Church as the savior.
Celtic Christianity still exists. Here in the Northeast of the U.S. there is at least one Orthodox Celtic Christian church. There may be many solitary practitioners.
Thank you. I think men too often choose to forget the value of women. So much goes into supporting a working husband, keeping house and raising children. Plus, for so many today, hold employment outside the home. Yet, what I hear is a lot of complaints about women as if our roles and responsibilities are not important.
behind every great man...
No we don't. Women have forgotten their roles in modern society. Just look at feminism
@@KD400_ So our role is to spend our lives devalued, abused, our work no recognized, etc? Feminism can be pushed too far, but certainly the efforts of the feminist movement has shed the light on those things. From not even being considered a person to have some rights, is good for all society.
@@JudyBarrette agree, and just as all men are not hunters, not all women need to be domestic masters. There are many talents both sexes can bring to the world. The trouble are the systems that form from big Capital centralized powers, ever since we left small tribes and now the technology that allows further development of systems of centralized control
I think the problem these days is women forgetting the value of men.
Something that is not well known is that biologically women are about half as likely as men to be colour blind and about twice as likely as men to have tetrachromatism, meaning that they can see literally thousands of colours that most people cannot. I think this may be one reason that so many women have excelled historically at visual-based arts and crafts.
I not necessarily agree with you but anyway keep yourself in a good mood and make only progress.
I think you're taking it in the wrong way... a "colour blind" man can spot something that for normal people would be canouflaged, while tetrachromy is not helpful due to her election of colours would be alien to normal people.
Women excel on red shades identification or else, risking to poison their families with a wrong fruit picking.
I mean I’m a neurodivergent artist female (non-binary but still) and a feminist, so not exactly representing the majority here, but I highly suspect I have Tetrachromacy (it’s incredibly difficult to find testing and apparently the tests I’ve taken online aren’t very accurate) but also I get damn near high on beauty and color. And while I do want to learn to be a badass sword fighter and literally have the opportunity to do so, I literally have to decide on a weekly basis “learn to sword fight this week or do medical painting or work on making good looking clothing” and it’s a *really* tough choice every time, but the art usually wins. I’m more interested in learning how to make a beautiful sword than fight with one. Just barely but still. I think it’s funny.
Yes, men in general have quite a few deficiencies.
That's an interesting observation. My husband always asks me about colors, so that might be the reason.
I’ve been saying these things to people for years!!! I studied archaeology and I did archaeology in Europe, so I can say from my experience these things are very true. It’s kind of infuriating that most of my discussions with people involve them refusing to accept women were EVER in power. I’ve told them that at many times, throughout history, women have very clearly been in actually power over all society. Matriarchy was NOT unusual in prehistory, and even for much of history, matriarchy was legitimately the rule in many parts of the planet. It was FAR from being male-dominated. Anyone who doesn’t believe this, just doesn’t know history. Sadly knowledge of history is more and more lacking in most people I know these days.
Gimbutas' theory regarding the existence of a European-wide, peaceful, Goddess-centered religion has been mostly proven false, as I understand it. And this has been done mostly by women archaeologists and historians. The only culture of that type that has been found was in ancient Sweden, and it was FAR from peaceful. Numerous ring forts throughout the country, and well over 200 sacrificial victims, too. At least half of these were of young girls of about 14 years of age. The use of ring forts was widespread throughout Europe. If things were so peaceful, why would they be needed?
And one guy said in video there were no women warriors in Sweden like Germany and Holland till 1930s hire non feminist women in army to keep feminist out yes non feminist would do that if pissed off of feminist and corrupt fake jooes that sudated Germans males and non feminist by all three Russia joose and feminist
I agree those were Gimbutas hippy exagerations, ancient Europe was a violent place proven by the large number of mass burials and murders ie Otzi
I dont know why it is that hard to belive that there were warrior women, when we have warrior women today. There are Ukranian women currently fighting against invading Russians. There are warrior kurdish women in iran. There were Hungarian women who fought against the ruskis. We are not that different than ancient humans, it wold be silly to belive that women just evloved the need and courage to protect whats theirs a hundred years ago.
Vast majority of the war footage of those wars were men fighting men. When women do fight, both historically, and today, it's an exception to the rule.
Are you fighting any wars? And I mean other than online flame wars with polemics against White men.
@@CuFhoirthe88 no cause my country isnt being attacked. But guess what, Hungarian women fought against the ruskis too. My great grandmother was a doctor and a volunteer medic during ww2. Slavic women do fight. Maybe its just the women from where you from that dont.
@@Sofia-kr9fb Again there are the exepction to the rulle. Most women will never be fighters like men are. Women get scared and are affected by warfare much more, and i don't mean it as something bad but it's just the truth. It thinks its alot better that men fight wars and women care for the children and the injured at home. Ofcourse there can be the odd ones out who do join the men in war but it will never be and should never be an equal amount to men because that means that we as men have failed.
@@latviankhan2989 "Strong women means men have failed." 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@CuFhoirthe88 awwww, is the pale man threatened by a comment?
Seems to have hit a tender nerve.😂
Maybe you could explore why that is.
Great video. Just one thing Queen Medb of Connacht is pronounced "May-ve" the db can be confusing for non Irish speakers. The modern spelling is Méabh often anglicised as Maeve
Cheers, I’m always curious about Gaelic and welsh pronunciation. There’s certain phonetics that just don’t exist in English.
@@gildedpeahen876 The pronunciation of different words in Irish or Gealic will change depending on the dialect, Ulster, Connacht, Munster etc. Common names here like Siobhan or Niamh can be difficult for non Irish
It was actually pronounced Med-v, I know it sounds shocking because in modern Ireland its pronunciation changed but that's the way it was said back then. ) I was surprised to hear it myself from my Celtic Civ professor but it also makes perfect sense to me , knowing the etymology
@@kathrinat9824 That's quite interesting. Thank you
@@kathrinat9824 What about other names with db like Sadhbh?
Hearing such a grounded and nuanced analysis is such a breath of fresh air in a world where information is specially curated to fit one narrative or the other. Excellent work Lugh!
Despite being a sandwich, you seem well learned!
No kidding!!
@@FaeMagic 😂😂😂😂😂😂
One task especially North European women was responsible for was food rationing during the harsh winter months. The sign of this was the key (to the outhouse were the food was stored). Mismanagement could lead to severe starvation, strife and dissolution of the entire settlement.
Can you talk about the changes for women in a pre Christian and post Christian Europe..especially UK? How did the idea of succession and inheritance change before and after Christianity?
How were the rights of a womans kid held? Favor of their husband ?
The reason why women could be warriors is because the Indo-European homeland on the Steppes was suited to Horse Archery with Compound Bows that enabled women to have the ability to kill and escape without engaging with men in hand to hand combat.
Makes sense. If your tribe is under the threat of extinction, then it's best that all able hands are called on deck. An arrow can pierce a heart just like a spear.
are you sure about that?.. what's the draw weight on one of those bows? probably at least around 100-120 pounds. not to mention the physical prowess required of a horse archer to shoot while riding.
I took this anthropology class once, and we covered the exceptions to the rule of pair bonded marriages, obviously it is the global norm, but it appears that groups that live in harsher conditions where mortality rates are naturally higher (typically because of local climate) engage more often in polygamy as a norm. This needle can tip both ways, pre-christian Inuit, for example might be married to two or more brothers. It should come as no surprise that men that far north frequently died on the hunt. Some areas where food is more scarce, like various desert dweller groups before any modernization, a man might more frequently have more wives... I imagine this might be due to less resources, it would be preferred that only some men have families, probably at the expense of having less adult men to feed, or less children in the tribe in total. However, the most interesting to me is the Yanamamo of the Amazon basin where they still have a forager lifestyle.... They live in one of the most resource abundant places there is, and they frequently allow a young person to marry an elder first, as a teacher of sexuality and cohabitation, before they go on to have a second marriage with someone close in age.....odd, but interesting.
In desert many men die so it is very sensible for polygamy to exist. Dunno about the way with many husbands to one wife. Maybe if there is too many man ?
some polygamy ( polygyny) could also be due to lots of warfare and fewer men. polygamy in ancient times was a form of public welfare that was taken care of thru marriages.
Verry good
Christianity is the european curse
you can corrupt any system
the course is modern anticulture
killl Christianity but you stay with the same or worse rot fixing nothing
Idk, I think yes, women definitely were revered and honored throughout time, for many MANY reasons. But I feel like some of this leans towards elitism or nepotism. If only a handful of women have or may have an opportunity of power, only because they’re related to or have a connection to an important man. That spells elitism or nepotism to me.
The same argument could be made about men, only a handful of men held all the power in most societies throughout history, and as such, they had privileges that most other men could only dream of having, both in their relationships with women and their duties towards their people. So the dynamic becomes more about the haves and the have nots of history which could be both male and female, rather than the black and white men vs women rhetoric that is so misguidedly famous today.
Nepotism always existed. European stock are far less nepotistic than others and therefore lean much more toward a meritocracy.
@@msg5879 No, all men have power over women under patriarchy, which we still sadly live under. We are not talking about capitalism, which oppresses all. But sex based oppression. They are different. Men do not experience sex based oppression.
I just came from your video about Welsh history and mythology. As a Welshman, I loved it.
The thing that I find quite fascinating is my nan, whose surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin. My grandfather of Irish Gaelic origin, yet I am born in Wales, and have long considered myself Welsh.
My nan was a hard woman, I lived with her for a time, and my grandfather a hard man, whom I spent a lot of time with. They taught me a lot, my Nan would teach me chess and if I ever misbehaved she’d call me “a little shit” and would close my pinky finger and squeeze it. My grandfather taught me to play rugby. They were great people and I hold it to them for making me the man I am today. Strong beliefs and to forge myself into the best I can possibly be and never letting misfortunes hold me back.
I doubt people care about personal stories, but it’s nice to remember those who had a big influence on my life. Rest well.
People care! Thanks for sharing.
It's a lovely story. Thank you.
sounds like a great woman, your nan
love the "you little shit"❤
hey just her calling it as it is
We need more personal stories. Maybe then, the immature adults who are coddled into thinking they have problems, when they don't, will get some insight. I once knew a woman who thought it was doomsday when she broke a nail, got a flat tire, a bad haircut, etc. Until one day she suffered true hardship. Funny, but she never complained about insignificant things anymore.
The pinkie finger thing is called milking a mouse where I come from.
My wife controls the money in our family, I make it, and she spends it well. I go off to work, and she raises our children, pays our bills, and makes sure that our home is filled with the things we need as a family... I am good at making money, and she is good at making the best of it for caring for our children and myself. She is a better wife than I have ever been a husband...
Just cause you dont pull your weight doesnt mean all men are lazy bastards. I know plenty of single fathers...
@@pacochawa2746 My father was a fantastic single dad in the 70's and 80's when it was almost unheard of, but he still taught me that a traditional family was the best way to go, so my wife and I chose that. She is a stay at home mom, and has been even before we had our children. She takes care of the home, and I provide for the home, we both have our parts to play, neither of us is "not pulling our weight."
I doubt your the first family in history to do things this way
@@kellysouter4381 Ya I know right, it's called a traditional family for a reason.
@@johngaltman
You’re a good husband 😊
My friend this is BBC grade documentary. The amount of work you put into this is tremendous. Also it is so informative, and puts so much perspective regarding the rich complexity of history when compared to the daft trends we can witness nowadays
Comparing it to bbc is an insult.
The most feared woman, should always be the protective mother.
This came up in my recommended, and judging by the comments, it sounds like it's going to advocate for extreme binaries in society and say that women didn't have it that bad. Can anyone chime in before I possibly waste time listening to this?
Yeah, apparently it's a men's rights terrorist take. 'women were never actually oppressed'.....oh, they can sod right off! Btw, women still ARE oppressed by men!
you missed washer women... washer women were tough and independent, and, along with spinner women, able to support themselves with no requirement of a man. they tended to have more freedom sexually, maritally and were not regarded as good targets for abuse, as washing clothes at the time required immense physical strength and stamina. as such she was fully capable of thrashing most would be assaulters.
Sounds a whole cloth being spun from a single short thread......smh
@@willbass2869 would you like references?
Lol thanks! I’ve always thought that! As a physically fit woman working in physically demanding jobs a lot of my life, I’ve always cherished my strength and stamina. When I saw the Rueben’s cartoons (ink sketches) of female nudes that described the model as a washerwoman, I recognised the body 😂 muscular, not skinny, powerful and owned by someone who valued and liked her body😊 Rueben’s models had more body fat than is fashionable nowadays, but those ladies were fit and strong👍👍
This is.... not good. The fact that the female relatives of powerful men can also enjoy prestige does not make a society anti-patriarchal. That's just lazy.
That's right it's toxic feminism that's why there are Mrs and men going their own way they can't take it no more and live as monks and work avoiding women cause of false accusations
It’s just nepotism, most women were not treated this way
All family members of the rich and powerful get a measure of prestige
@@deborahdean8867 Yes, which is why it is not a useful way of describing the whole society.
@@garethmartin6522 true.
Also, men usually start those wars
we've definiely fallen to a low point with regard to family relationships
By design. Corporate design. 🤬
@@foodconnoisseur9321 As I said. Corporate design. How is that being fooled?
Hey Andrew tate said the truth about the west and people started bombarding him with hate
@@KD400_ Andrew Tare held women hostage against their will and made them prostitute and do porn while he collected the money. Not a shining example of wholesomeness
@@foodconnoisseur9321 Ah yes, the solution to the problem moderates created by doing nothing while the corpo-state brainwashed them is punishing the people that want to make a change
Classic fence sitter
Such an honest and balanced perspective and so much to learn and revisit! So many questions I have had about history and mythology for decades were addressed or answered in this one video. Much like all of your videos, absolutely astounding!
Bruh I still prefer modern times when I can survive while also staying away from men for life, I wouldn't have that choice in ancient times.
Man hater
@Mabus Nero hahahahaha
Sure you would have. It's just most people fall in love and as also want to have sex. Marriage is only to protect the rights of women. But if you didnt want to marry you could always stay at home with your parents, hire yourself out as some kind of tutor or servant. You'd be expected to stay away from men. You could enter a religious order. Exactly what is it you think you couldnt do? Because as the urban environment grew, women could basically just get jobs ESPECIALLY IF they were single. And if you're talking times before urbanization, you could just stay home. A farm is a farm. You'd be doing the same work as everybody else , farm work or whatever. So just what choices do you think you missed out in? Being born into royalty? Having the opportunity to be a pirate or a soldier? You, nor any man from your village, would have been able to be senators or governors etc because you would both be equally ignorant, uneducated and unsophisticated , dirt poor country bumpkins, unsuitable for lofty power roles.
Concerning Marija Gimbutas, what about the Talheim death pit in Germany? Or the burial of an Early European Farmer elite from the Varna Necropolis dated to 5th millennium BCE? The grave was full of gold; he even wore a golden codpiece.
So well done, as always! 👏🏻
And just what our society needs to hear, and remember. ❤ polarity is a good thing.
Thank you for your exquisite presentation, my good sir! 🥳🤩
I've been wondering about that. Is there any evidence?
@@neilreynolds3858 evidence for what? 🧐
@@narcissusnarcosis614 Hell if I know. Sometimes comments end up in places where they don't belong.
Exactly we shouldn't strive to be the same. A women with her Strengths and weakneses and a man with his is the perfect union. They work together in such a magnificent way, i don't want us to ever be "equal" or what some people think equal means. We already are equal, we just are different.
Warrior women is likely what ancient people fantasized about rather than what was actually the norm, just like today.
It seems that the worst thing to have happened to women was the Catholic church.
I dont see anything in their teachings that does anything but make women privileged myself.
That was such an interesting and inspirational video. I really appreciate all your hard work and research and especially the deep respect you show for both men and women during your talk. Thank you for such an fabulous subject. :)
Who, of any sense, said women were "hated" or unable to at times hold power or influence in antiquity.
I appreciate the perspective here but let's get real, a womans ability to own her destiny was limited at best.
Everybody's ability to own their own destiny was limited at best. It's called survival. Guys had no more choice in their roles than women did. Why is it women are blind to this? Propaganda? Its been incredibly childish.
The more society is one where survival is the most important issue, the more traditional gender roles are important. This talk about owning your destiny is a byproduct of the progress we made, as to not have to focus on pure survival anymore. That's just the truth of the human condition. Still today it's mostly man who go to war and when large scale catastophies happen it's men who deal with it, because it's in mans nature. I think a society were man creates and builds the world, and women enjoys the fruits of mans labour while raising kids is a far much better world. Women shouldn't be the ones doing manual back breaking labour, it should be men doing it for them.
@@latviankhan2989 amen sister.
@@latviankhan2989 Thanks for sharing your perspective! I'm aware of the Maslows Hierarchy of Needs theory, so I agree to some extent. Gender isn't a factor in that but I see where your coming from in regards to once needs are met there is more flexibility for self and society. I feel like you contradict yourself though when you talk about progress influencing destiny. With progress comes options, flexibility, as you say. Well that should probably include a woman's ability to choose her role in society. Not all women have this innate desire to be mother's. What then? It seems progress would allow for more variance.
I appreciate the importance of Masculine and Feminine energy constructs but don't think biological gender has as much to do with it. You paint an idealistic picture of men stepping up to provide safety and structure, this is often far from the case. And while you seem to have a respect for both roles that rigid ideology usually leads to a power differential where the woman gets the shirt end of the stick, their part is not seen as necessary and powerful in us own right.
A lovely discussion my friend. Something we can benefit from in our beautiful human community. 🙂
@@deborahdean8867 I'm far more informed on what Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs are and the Social Science principles behind it than you might think my friend. Be well.
I love your channel. Discovered it a few weeks ago..Top notch.👍
Women have always done amazing things, but their herstory wickedly erased.
Modern women just destroy families and have bastards.
Erased, ignored, distracted, stole or made to seem out of date or too radical... Basically, anything but just accepted. As a guy I think that that is probably the last thing we want for our mother, sisters daughters.... But...
That's how life is.
Don't play with the language.
The word "history" has nothing to do with the possessive adjective "his".
It did not develop from an Old English word, but Latin, a language in which there is no "his"
Similarly, heretic and herpes don't come from "her".😂
Apparently, in Aztec mythology, men who died in combat and women who died during childbirth went to the same afterlife.
I have heard somewhere said that childbirth is the battlefield of women, and not so long ago it was completely true.
The idea that a female warrior archetype in mythology is a reflection of a real life phenomenon is quite a big stretch. All human societies are patriarchal so describing some as patriarchal is kinda dumb.
The development of a matriarchal society is more suitable for forest peoples of north such as the Ugrians than for the steppe peoples of the plains, i.e. the Indo-Europeans. The main reason is the difference in the social structure where the hunters were away in the wilderness for long periods of time (in other words, were not present in the life of the community) and left the responsibility of the community, tribe, culture, spirituality and village to women alone. And when they came back they did the physical work, which is why the men played a servant and handyman role in the community outside of hunting seasons. This raised women to an important position and they had power over men in social and religious life as well as in the village and home.
it's usually mixed and we simply stupidly generalise
men domain was outside house, women domain was in house
that's how you see it in Philippines now
men don't even stay inside house because it's downgrading their authority and makes it look as being as a woman
and who was protecting women when they were hunting?
Slavs were forest people
and they burned the forest to farm land
and they said there were different customs in different tribes some considered completely wild others more civilized probably because of being in closer ties with greeks and other folks around them
but you are right these things do shape customs but no Slavs were matriarchal despite living typically in forests
This is always interesting to me that some people believe that women didn’t do physical labor. Foraging for food and perhaps killing it is hard labor. Working in gardens or in the fields growing food is hard labor. Throughout history, women have traditionally been the ones who carried water for their villages - hard labor. Birthing 2-10 children - hard labor. Cooking, cleaning, washing clothes on a rock, hard labor.
Pretty sure they debunked the male hunter/female gatherer schema for prehistoric humans?
@@slytherinvampirebrony3647 Baltic Finns were farmers, although game hunting continued along with farming and livestock keeping. However, it is about a time around 4,000-2,500 years ago, which was relatively recently.
Read Germania and the Eddas. They were never matriarchal at any point.
Why would the indo-iranian branch turn out to be so different? Honour killings if a woman just talks to a man, FGM (kurds for instance). Interesting difference 🤔
"Instigated by such suggestions, they unanimously rose in arms, led by Boadicea, a woman of royal descent - FOR THEY MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SEXES IN SUCCESSION TO THE THRONE - and attacking the soldiers dispersed through the garrisons, stormed the fortified posts, and invaded the colony itself, the seat of slavery."
- Tacitus
By doing DNA Test with 23&me found out that woman Haplogroup H is predominantly in the Northern Europe. Most of my distant relatives have their mothers of Haplogroup H from H to H13 or higher. My mother is J1c2 enter Europe some 7000 years ago, and my father Haplogroup is I2a2 origin Scotland with Ancestral Home Doggerland. Proudly today Serbian, and of course knowing today about my origin looking over shoulder towards in distance to the land I came from 🇷🇸🏴👍
Are these even accurate I heard they were not.
@andreamessiasgomes7118 If you don't trust one test, then do another one, compare them, and see what they have for you. Yes, they are pretty accurate. I had the same person in both tests and last names as well. Good luck
Europe was named after Europa (mother of King Minos. Zeus's consort)
Women were free before Abrahamism, and they'll be free again after it. It's the Abrahamic faith which enslaves women.
It's complicated. Some traits of Abrahamic religions like its treatment of women go back to before those religions arose, like the Arabs. Many societies in the past and even present practice arranged marriages even in non-Abrahamic societies (eg. India). It wasn't until the advent of the feminist movements of the 20th century when gender equality was established and enforced as a value.
Granted, they weren't saints but it's something we should all be proud of in my opinion.
I agree. I don't like Abrahamism either or the jews destroying white countries. But, the freedom of modern women is out of control nowadays and is causing destruction.
@@PassionateSpirit88 you obviously didn't absorb a thing from this information
@@PassionateSpirit88 out of WHOSE control bro?
nobody ever was free and will be free
don't live dreams
The shift from an IE family to a nuclear christian family isn't as one-sided as you imply. The right of divorce gave women a counterweight but the christian marriage enforces men's loyalty at a theological/morale level, which highly benefits women in the end. In the end, the West, either indo-european or christian, remains an outlier when it comes to women's conditions.
Historically men died in war and women died in childbirth.
Many more women died than men.
only the weak men and the weak women
Children should not be raised by those who resent those who are doing what is required for survival of the family and the tribe.
Indo-European is an outdated term and a huge misnomer. It doesn't describe anyone in the Neolithic as the term refers to cultures that migrated for conquest, not happening in the Neolithic period. You're confusing cultures divided by centuries if not millennia. Women make life, men take it. That's still very true, in every major religion and most developed nations. We've learned little in a thousand years.
Mens role is to protect and provide for the women and children. Mens role as well as womens is to give life. If it werent for men, women wouldnt survive . If it werent for women, men wouldn't survive because they'd die of depression.
@@deborahdean8867 lol. Men have harmed women, not protected us. Terrorised us, and our children, and stolen our children. Women actually survive, and THRIVE without men. But men are the ones who literally cannot without women, which is again, part of why they chose to oppress us. Just look on any dating site, and it's full of whiny men who, due to not being legal now to force women, cannot get a date, and still think they are OWED one. Because they still view women as property. Women however, have no trouble getting a date, but do we want one, since they are all so misogynistic? Getting, and wanting are two totally different things. Most of the attention we get is unwanted. It's also proven in that most divorce is initiated by women, and single women are happy, where married women are not. But married men are happy (because they get whatever they want) while single men are not, because they are not being waited on. They don't seek love, or respect. They seek a servant.
Men "love and respect" their daughters and wives in was well... And still conspire to take away their right to decide things about their own body here in the USA so the fact ancient Sabine women were as well doesn't necessarily mean anything. In Ancient Greece the Oracle was a woman (most likely ill from exposure to volcanic gasses) but she did not have power, the male priests gave the official interpretation of whatever conundrum was on offer. Women as a whole occupy a different position with relation to the economy and property. There is more truth in that analysis than interpreting cultural iconography.
I agree with you on some of your contents, but I also think about all the "working class women" and I don't think they always what that respected
In a good family or community they would be.
Or literal slaves...
@@chrissiek8706 only to the manufacturing industry
And just exactly who doesnt respect working class women? Or didnt used to? Working class men were no more 'respected' than women. Because it's about money. Poor means little power. As to respect, if anyone doesn't get respect its because either they have personal faults or they live around troubled people. I know this much, today women HAVE proven themselves equal with men , they are just as cruel and cold, actually moreso than men, just as power hungry, just as greedy, more controlling, than men are.
The winners write the history. If you look only at our entertainment (which is what myths are - stories), you would think that everything is peaches and cream for western women.
Yet, I grew up at a time when I could not even get a credit card in my own name, nor own property or a business. At the same time, across the sea, our closest ally had a queen ruling them. (A Queen whose reign was the longest on record.)
Without the actual writings of contemporaneous women, we really do not know what, if any, handicaps they suffered. Without written laws to examine, we don’t know what rights they may have had.
@kippkipper4126 I think most women would disagree with you. We have fought long and hard over the centuries to remove such primitive legal restrictions from our lives.
That law comes from a time when men still waged warfare with arrows and swords; when evil spirits were blamed for illnesses and a comet in the sky was a harbinger of doom. No thanks.
As a AFAB feminist & history-lover, I want to thank you for the work & care you put into this video. I’m especially glad that you pointed out the importance of domestic work, especially in regards to textile work. A really good book that I recommend a the time is “Women’s Work: The First 20000 Years Women Cloth And Society In Early Times” by Elizabeth Wayland Barber, which also includes theories as to why certain tasks were assigned to women & some to men in those ancient periods.
I appreciate the mature and unbiased accuracy of your channel.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Human dynamics are too complex to reduce them to stereotypes, and your narrative is a fresh reminder. I am female, but in my life have been able to practice some unconventional roles; that of pipeline blaster, and navy and commercial diver, but I have also been a potter and an artist. So there is no reason to not believe that other women have transcended their assigned roles in the past. History is fascinating, and your videos help bring it to life.
I should point out that Christianity at least the Catholic provided a rule that both spouse must have consented to the marriage. It was also they that prevented illegitimate children from inheriting.
There is no such thing as an ‘illegitimate child’, all children are precious, according to the pro-life crowd?
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school yes that is true but “illegitimate” here refers to their legal status.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school yes, illegitimate refers to a legal status and inheritance of goods. To do that you must have order and a way to know who is the real blood offspring. You can't be questioning who is 'the real' father, and if people run around screwing like chimps you'll never know.
4:30 what's interesting is that earlier, before modern techniques, a lot of archeologists just assumed a burial was male based on hrave goods it got. Only now we are starting to get the proper picture of just how much women there were, hypotheticaly, in the leading rolles among the military aristocracy, and how much males were "trophy husbands" by today's standards, buried with staff like mirrors and jewellery
Fantastic video as always.
Monogamy is also economical and promotes genetic diversity, since it makes it harder for let's say, a man to have like 50 biological offspring.
Agknowledgement of both maternal and paternal bloodline also helps to keep track of inbreeding. It might not stop it, but it empowers individuals to make decisions about it.
Great stuff, thanks for clarifying modern Abrahamic misconceptions
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Your opening statement... many forget these things......
Tacitus wrote about tribes, like Germanic. Even dead on the battlefield alongside the men. Women were also warriors. Different weapons etc but warriors.
Good video. More women should watch this.
Exceptions dont disprove the norms
@@KD400_ they don’t disprove the norms, but they do add nuance to the norms
@@echothenardier8053 exceptions do not count. In general women were not warriors
@kippkipper4126 lol!
What an excellent presentation of a very important topic, especially in this age when society has become so deeply misled and embittered about the honourable roles women had in the past.
I do have to make a point on the subject of shieldmaidens or warrior women. Norse Magic and Beliefs channel here on RUclips has a number of videos where he discusses women in the ancient Norse culture, and while it definitely did happen that women could fight in battle alongside men, he points out that it was REALLY BAD for a woman to be on the losing side of a battle and become a captive. The opposing army would severely r*pe and abuse warrior women for 'daring' to be equal to men. And yet, she who LARPs as a shieldmaiden chooses not to think about this, projecting the modern idea that anything 'defying the oppressive patriarchy' is always a good choice.
Good video but there are a lot of hesitation to completely challenge the patriarchal idea of history
I share DNA with a Birken Shield maiden who was buried with the honors of a man
@kippkipper4126 what were the ancient clothing of German women and men before Christianisation of Europe because what they show the traditional clothes on wiki are from the Christian era ? Want to show these ignorant Europeans who think only western clothes are their clothes especially those who marry Indians and they get so happy thinking they have reached another dimension because they feel they have no culture.
Cossack women were trained to fight and the tradition still exists today. They would protect their homes when the men were away at war. Among southern Slavs, the word for widow is still "amuzhinka", "ka" being a suffix.
It was extremely fascinating
The ultimate price to pay can be worse then death....
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Any assertion that ancient Europe was matriarchal is biased conjecture.
Polygamy wasn't always a choice, but a pre-modern welfare system. Wars were often, and men could be enslaved, and women added to the household to bare the next generation. Just a look at Islamic history, Ottomans more so, shows you the extent that the Harem system was also a product of war. Few Ottoman Sultans even had Turkish blood because their mothers were usually Europeans captured in wars. Same in the Caribbean. Carib men killed Arawak men, and kept the woman. So most of the Caribbean islands, before Columbus, had a mixed heritage people of 'Carib-Arawak' due to the outcome of wars. Wars were a fact of life, and that too must be factored in.
Wars were a choice that mainly men decided. They could have decided something else, but many people died and suffered uselessly for fragile egos, and useless battles over territory, resources and ideologies. War is not normal or a fact of life, it’s a choice, every single time.
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school battles over territory and resources are certainly NOT useless or unnecessary or even vain. Its survival. Its life. The more territory the ricjer you are and dont pretend women didnt engage in that every chance they got. Women incite wars, not fight them. So they do what they can. Women LOVE more resources, far more than men do.
@@deborahdean8867 Oh do sod off. Women 'incite' wars? Where are you getting this garbage from? That has literally never been a thing. Nor are the things you mention 'honourable' or 'necessary', but cowardly, and barbaric. Only evil people seek power. Oh yes, women needing resources, because we are always the ones burdened with raising children, and all the domestic labour. What is your malfunction?? Men do not go to war for women! They do for their own selfish, evil purposes that women never asked for, and women, and children are the collateral damage, and literally property to be bought and sold! You act as if society did not thrive before patriarchy. We were able to meet our needs without violence, 'gender roles', or the rest of it. Just FINE. Men decided to oppress women, and conquer the world, because they are power hungry, and flawed.
@@deborahdean8867 'pick meeeee!'......rolls eyes
@@deborahdean8867 Women create. Men destroy.
The oldest version of Christianity still practiced today is Catholicism. The Catholic Church did grant women the right to chose their husbands by making marriage a sacrament, this made marriage a voluntary choice for women. Even to this day Catholic marriage lessons and vows emphasize the different but equally important roles men and women play in families and society. As a cradle Catholic who was raised in a Catholic village then moved into a mixed community as a child I can say with confidence that Catholic women are taught to speak their minds. The matriarch of a Catholic family is a deeply respected position to hold.
It is true that biblical teaching is patriarchal, but not to the detriment of women or some superiority complex (which I think is lost to people who don’t understand it he faith). It ultimately comes from genesis with Eve being the one who was deceived, while Adam just willingly sinned. Christian teaching would also say that women are the most beautiful of all of God’s creation, the wife is the crown of her husband and the woman the glory of all man. And men are to willingly lay down their lives for the sake of honoring and protecting women. To me that’s a beautiful picture of gender differences, but today people want men and women to be the exact equivalent of each other. Peace be with you brother
Great video, such a shame you excluded the battle these same women had to have to get a back some of the respect, status and power their ancient ancestors had.
I truly hate how this in our era has become a political football to toss and kick. Women of Europe were venerated as clan mothers and wielded high political power in such groups. Remember, Inana the Goddess of War became Athena for the Greeks over 5000 years later. Same Goddess, different name. We today are all being misled by political leaders in an attempt to create as much division as possible in order to create a caste system with them permanently on top so this division causes hate between sex, race, but- not the upper class?
This was excellent. Thanks.
Just out of curiosity: Where in Canada are you? Cheers from Toronto!
Main mtd haplogroup of women of Europe, Middle East (indefenous population) is H. More likely West Asia, where Neolithic population appeared. Some indigenous populations like Armenians have intact lineages spanning for 8000 years, plus very rare haplogroups like K, T, W.
Great vids and narration!
The farmers were brutal warriors in their own right
After reading some of the comments and comparing it to the mostly factual narration, I am completely convinced that people are intentionally kept ignorant by their religious inflicted beliefs and poor educations.
Learn your history, read real books.
Think again then. Religion established womens rights from executing rapists to being spiritual leaders , business owners, etc. Women today are not oppressed, they are sexualized. And they arent sexualized by men as male against female because men and children as well as women are sexualized today. Judeaism, then christianity, and earlier zortostacism, established women's RIGHTS.
You say factual, but he provides no bibliography. In addition, you call it ‘factual’ but that is opinioned because you cannot verify his sources.
So they were honoured in death only? What a honour.