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*I mean if a species that has been around before humanity even knew what space was, that have become immortal and almost immovable machines fears what ever in the 9 hells is in there? I’m pretty sure we all should be*
My issue with this is if the necrons are so afraid of them, that those beings are even more powerful than the gods they already faced eons ago, then how in the heck did they manage to "confine them" in that labyrinth ?!? To me, a being that is supposed to be beyond godlike but is still subject to being trapped in a "prison" means it's not that powerful after all.
@arlond5 It's a similar effect to falling into a pit trap as a human. Normally, under the majority of circumstances, a person could figure out a way to climb out of a hole. But the surprise completely ruins the chance. Necrons have shown to be some of the most deceptive creatures in existence. They tricked a "God" known as The Deciever😂. It also may be those entities were contained by the C'Tan working together to prevent them from eliminating or stopping them and the Necrons came into control of it by chance after defeating them.
The Disapperance of Fornax Aleph feels like something straight out of a Lovecraft tale. Freaking love this one. Leaves just enough to make your mind and imagination wonder but still gives you enough to really dive into the story. These are the kind of stories in just Sci Fi in general that I love.
I’m not sure exactly why but I think Fornox Aleph is just absolutely terrifying. In a Universe so full of conflict, having a sudden derelict and empty place is a horrific thought. That and the realization that something cleared out an entire planet’s civilization with no warning, conflict, or trace, and is most likely still out there
@SomeguynamedJosh I actually thought that he was the one who did it. Like one day out of sheer boredom hes like I want to have my own hive city. In the same sense that a human child would want an ant farm
Yea, I don't know why but stories like Fornax Aleph always give me the biggest chills. The dead world, the disappearing population of, not just one, but a whole PLANET of hive cities, the unexplained blood-curdling SCREAMING in the middle of the night!? Wtf!? Then the investigators (space marines in this case) dissappear without a trace too!? No explanation, no giant evil monster, no horrible disaster, just *poof*...gone. uggggggh
My personal pet theory is that the halo devices are actually medical devices for an alien race that had transcended aging. Humans are just similar ENOUGH to activate them, but the device immediately freaks out as it registers the human using it as "dying" and fixes the problem... but then goes much too far, trying to "fix" the human to the template it knows. And the few that just give immortality without the other problems are faulty, underpowered or slightly broken.
What if it attempts to put the user back to the original form it was "keyed" during its first activation. Hence those who use it after are getting the problems. Those rare ones which don't bring on changes were never keyed.
The devices might also be faulty, maybe in their pursuit of immortality they fucked up, creating devices that were used by the entire population and changed them to abominations resulting in massive infighting and the destruction of their civilization. There might be some that still remain somewhere in the galaxy with minds bent and destroyed beyond belief. Hell maybe the thing that caused The Howling was part of this specie.
I wonder what would happen if a person at any stage of the halo device had children. Would they be normal or enchanced because it is Said that the device changes them at a molecular level so would they be able to have kids And if so what would they look Like.
The worst part about the Halo devices is that a very small number (~5%) have no terrible drawbacks, they truly turn their host into an immortal, beautiful, god-like being. But those are very few and far between as most are of the twisted variety. But extremely wealthy citizens will often believe it's worth the gamble.
Sometimes the Inquisition seem like complete morons. They will cover up any knowledge of the Halo devices and what happens to people who use them, even though the rumour it gives immortality is already prevalent. Pretty sure if the Inquisition let out that it doesn't grant immortality, just a couple of years, then turns you into meat-puppet zombie who will eat his closest friends and family, a lot fewer people would be willing to try it.
Can do! It's my favorite stuff to cover! Only problem is that a lot of times. There's not a lot of information on some of this stuff so it has to be done in like a top five kind of video. But as long as everybody's okay with that, I'll keep on making them :)
Bro, you can find all this stuff and a lot more by reading. Mind you the only cannon information is in the codexes but what Wes says is more accurate than most RUclipsrs but the most accurate is Oculus Imperia.... don't listen to Luetin he is an idiot
As someone who recently got into the lore of 40K within the last couple years, mainly thanks to you and your shorts, this is only way I'll ever find out about this stuff. Keep it Wes, love the content.
So it's my theory that the Halo devices weren't supposed to offer humans immortality, but rather offer their makers immortality. I figure that the end result is not an insane human but rather a transformation into the original Xenos race. The memories are of the original owner of the devices.
What about having backup of previous users inside that gets chimericaly merged with current one mind and body, with result being insane chimera getting worse with each user.
Thats what I was thinking, although I get the feeling they aren’t working properly and instead of fully restoring the original alien they find up creating a deformed fusion of them and the host in mind and body who is utterly insane due to the incompatibility between the alien mind within and a human one
Although, the fact that each of them has unique design leads me to believe that they are not actually designed with intent, rather that they’re just parts of their creators, and this functionality is just their nature. You know, like massive dead stars leave behind deadly cores that shoot deadly space lasers? Same thing but they turn the unlucky prey into a new body.
One creepy mystery I'd love to hear more about is this; Why the hell does everybody stay away from The Ghoul Stars? I know the supersitious Imperium believes them to be haunted and it's a region full of dead worlds but,I get the feeling that something lives out there. Could it be an unknown Xeno species? Daemons? Or something even more sinister?
Based on snippets of lore, it seems to be the gateway to a nightmare dimension not related to chaos. It’s the location of the Flayed Ones Dynasty and a hive fleet that went near it went insane.
in some old lore the stars themselves are a third strange power outside of chaos and the normal universe, one of the eldar even speculated that they are what is left or what will be of another power on par with chaos, although not sure if this was retconned as it was old lore and many things have changed since then.
i'd say it's something from the dark age of technology gone wrong. the humans in those days had explored every part of the known galaxy and traded with or fought most things that could pose a threat to the current imperium with barely any opposition. so they're either responsible for it or at least know what it is.
Most of what i get from the lore on the ghoul stars is its one of those distant locations that the astronomicon doesnt really reach all that well. Because of that exploration and crusade fleets find it hard to operate there. That means all manners of nasty xenos and chaos aligned factions are able to hang out there without much resistance.
I still find it really creepy that the Titans of the current setting are mere pale imitations of the real AI controlled Titans from The Dark Age of Technology.... If a Titan is devastating now,just think of the unrestrained devastation a true Titan could unleash!
There's a bit of lore where Grey knights found a true titan and I believe even its fully intact STC and even had a conversation with it, and in said conversation it called the most powerful titan that's in the imperiums arsenal a mere child compared to itself... now from what I remember cause I came across this lore a while ago, the titan had willingly let itself and its STC be corrupted by chaos so the Grey Knights had to destroy both, not to mention it was a Complete A.I. which is a big no no, I think there are a couple of RUclips videos about it if you dig deep enough
There is a titanique legion called the warp runners that were know to deploy on the battleground by teleportation when needed so I guess titans during the dark age would have been more nimble and faster than eldars titans... Wich is insane enough now imagine this kind of machines teleporting mid-fight to backstab the opponent!? X)
I’m curious, would you be willing to do a video on the ghoul stars? A sector that even the space bugs of death are acres of of, a necron dynasty full of flayers, and a mysterious space marine chapter that patrols the sector
@@zepaduse97Trazyn probably yeeted a marble of eternal horrifying screams while collecting his hive world humans. That's why they can't find the source, it's as small as a marble in a hive world. If he did it with a bell to the Eldars, he's not indifferent to inconveniencing humans.
@@PandaGin "Lord Trazyn, we have captured and catalogued the city's inhabitants." "Excellent! Did you let the screamer scarabs loose like I wanted?" "Yes, Lord Trazyn. And we're currently tractor beaming that Leman Russ onto the roof of that skyscraper like you wanted. Uh... why are we doing this again?" "I thought it would be funny. Can you imagine the looks on their stupid meatsack faces when they find it?"
That Labyrinth would make a GREAT Sci Fi Horror book or movie. Imagine some Rogue Traders trying to make a name for themselves coming across it and the shard of the Nightbringer is stalking them and attacking them psychologically. The mass disappearance one as well! Love your videos Wes! Keep it up!
Personally I love the mystery surrounding whatever thing the Death Watch managed to catch on a planet that is perfectly invisible and unnoticable, which just seems to be trolling them by giving them just enough evidence that it is there while still not doing anything else.
The disappearances of Fornax Aleph sound like some Drukhari bet taken to the extreme: abduct an entire Hive World's population with no trace left behind...then, abduct the relief force in the same way after (got sloppy with the Leman Russ). They have done things similar to this feat in the past and even abducted an entire Exodite World (planet and all).
I think the Halo devices are some kind of last effort to achieve immortality by overriding the DNA of the host but that's not the terrifying part... The Xenos that created the halo devices are either extinct or they are no longer in the Milky way as if they ran away or were killed by something far more superior. I think is very clear Games Workshop are setting the foundations for new entities far more dangerous and darker than the Immaterium creatures and the chaos gods
@@RifterDask to be honest would be a great relief if Lovecraftian entities start to appear in the halo system, Eldritch horrors could be more grimdark than the chaos gods themselves
Great video as always. I must admit though, that my favorite part was the 0,5 second pause before "Raid: Shadow Legends". It looked like you went through all five stages of grief in the blink of an eye, with seven other emotions sprinkled on top. Perfect.
0:48 one of the very, VERY rare occasions where a youtuber admits they are plugging in ads for money. That was a breath of fresh air. You earned my respect for honesty. We all have bills to pay. Don't blame you for ads if you admit it.
The halo devices cause nightmares of strange dead cities beneath dark stars. Could the halo devices be linked to Komus, the tyrant star, and/or the disappearance of Fornax Aleph?
I know right, I considered it myself, the dark star is linked with the prophesy of eternal darkness coming over the universe. My theory is that the alien species that created them made them for the purpose of creating a device that could adapt a being to the "dark universe" I don't think they disappeared but rather turned into something different. If you recall there was a time travelling species during the great crusade that was said to be running migrating away from something, could this be the dark future.
@@muda1312 the Hrud. There is a whole crazy theory floating around regarding them that essentially posits exactly this but goes even further by speculating that the Hrud are humans from the far flung future. Their God also has some similarities with the black sun and the aging effects of the temporal field the species emitted aged things and eventually petrified them sort of like the hand in the leman russ tank.
I think the most exciting one of these to me is Fornax Aleph. An entire world devoid of life, as if deleted from the planet in one quick press of a button. The mood set up here is pretty spooky too, a breed of superhuman warrior monks known for their lust for battle glory, their grandiose proclamations and contemptful maledictions, suddenly without words at the strangeness of it all.
Yeah It’s the best on the list for me too. When you’ve read a lot of the Sabbat worlds storyline, and you’ve seen all the other crazy rituals and magic the Archonate can call upon, it makes this so much more real and it hits closer to home
This dude is my favorite when it comes to 40k lore specially his videos on orcs.The way you describe orcs always crack me up specially the one where the orc tusk i think it is who decided to fly into the eye of terror to fight chaos wich basically is the best vacation orcs could take.and survived all the realms until khorn took notice and decided to let them fight forever.That is the funniest video
I like to think the tyrant star is related to Malal/Malice, who else would be for a chaos campaign centered either around Malal & Vashtorr either competing for a spot as the 5th major chaos god or teaming up to screw over the big 4.
Just like we listened to your horror stories without skipping, I never skip your ads. We really appreciate your work! Thank you! But we are still waiting for another story :) Perdition's Flame and The Watcher were amazing in your voice!
I like the non-warp Lovecraftian horrors from the Ghoul Stars and Halo Stars. More demons of the material realm. A reminder that even the "mundane" reality of 40K is grim and horrifying.
My theory on Komus the Tyrant Star is that it is the result of a last ditch effort by a xenos race of uknown origin with psychic powers, attempting to escape certain extinction that wh40k is well known for. A construct or entity attempting to break free from the warp at random intervals, nearly succeeding, always failing. But should it succeed, all who came under its influence will change and mutate. Ever more resembling the dead species that created such a terrifying object.
Really cool stuff! The only one I was familiar with was Komus. Fornax Aleph has me absolutely intrigued, but the scariest one to me is The Labyrinth Of Thanotep. If it freaks out the Necrons, I want no part of it lol
I love how you brought up not just one, but TWO Calixian mysteries. Being someone who has obsessively studied the source material for that sector for nearly ten years now and still occasionally find cross-references and implications that have eluded me for the longest of times, I am always happy to see others bring the topic up to bring their thoughts on the subject matter into light, giving me new perspectives to work with in my attempts to understand the secrets of that cursed space.
I love the creepy and horrifying parts of the 40k setting! I especially love when the baroque is mixed with the Lovecraftian. Like the mechanical body of Pontius Glaw, and the description of the Psycharus Worm, one of the horrifically dangerous yet highly sought after Halo Devices. "Appearing like a tarnished brass maggot some six inches in length, the worm is cold and greasy to the touch and on first inspection appears to be nothing more than a macabre curio." Brass maggot that's simultaneously cold and greasy to the touch, has a connection to the Warp, and bonds with a host, eventually twisting them into a humanoid abomination controlled by an ancient and utterly alien intelligence? Fascinating!
When i hear stories like the one of the empty hive city i wonder what is worse between a "standard 40k" frontal conflict or slowly descending into madness before disappearing without any trace. Truly a terrifying universe. Great video!
The Disappearance of Fornax Aleph would make for a neat suspense/thriller, and the Halo Devices would make for a good plot device for a body horror movie.
I love the coverage of all things 40k horror and creepy. 40k is such a good setting for it I hope GW keep leaning into it with novels and short stories.
So some minor fun bits of lore I’d like to get into: The fate of the Disciples of Flames- a really weird mix of Salamanders, Raven Guard, and oddly enough, Iron Warriors active in the HH era. The roughly 15,000 year old “immortal” that… is a random businesswoman on the hive world of Alecto (yes this is actually a thing). (Speculation): The doom weapon that seems to be the goal of the next Sabbat Worlds books.
With Owlcat making the CRPG Rogue Trader, maybe a Rogue Trader deep dive or interesting rogue trader character story video would be in order? Unless you've already done that. Love the lore vids, man! Been forever since I've been able to keep up on Warhammer and these are fun to listen to. 😎🍻😎
I love your stuff dude, legitimately. I haven't been into Warhammer for very long (maybe only a couple of years) but your videos have been essentially a really good introduction as I've slowly gotten to know the hobby better and better. Now, even though I feel like I have a really good grasp on the lore of the universe, I never cease to learn something new about the universe through your videos. Thanks for all you do and keep up the good work. Your channel is definitely my go-to for listening to while I'm painting and assembling models, especially your deep-dives.
Hey, thanks a ton, I appreciate it and I'm really glad you love the content! I'll tell you that that's the best thing about Warhammer to me. They produce more lore faster than any sane person can keep up with , and there's like three decades worth of amazing stuff in the backlog! No matter how much you know about the universe, there's always something new to learn 😃 I've read about 150 of the novels and I still learn new stuff everyday!
For your next deep dive could you go over some pretty neat weapons from those damned xenos. Such as the tyranid bioweapons or Eldar D-weapons. As always awesome video.
If anyone bugs you about the sponsorship adverts, to hell with them. They ought to just be happy to get the weekly video 😊 we appreciate you and the videos you do my guy. Everytime I get the notification you got a new one I'm on it like sonic 😅
Honestly Wess, I love your vids so much because you talk about things I don't think anyone else has, the stuff that's so obscure it's unknown to newer 40k fans like myself
Its a theory to the Tyrant Star is what had remaind from the chaos god Malal who was destroyd by other chaos gods because he wanted to destroy everything in existence and was too powerful to be left alive.
dude you seriously do an amazing job on your videos. I never though I cared about warhammer Lore until I started watching your stuff and its keeping me really interested in the game. Thanks!
Questions for Wes: 11) What will the Tyranids do with all the biomass if they get it? Give the hive mind a body or something? Do we have any glimpses into what their end game is? 2) What exactly is the Black Rage? 3) Ravenguard compared to Nightlords? Differences and Similarities? (I know you've mentioned a fair bit about Conrad, but haven't said much about Corvus Corax. Is he some warp-based daemon prince of the Emperor's new 5th chaos faction by now or what?) 4) Theories on how Lucius the Eternal could be killed by a Necron, who would feel no pride in killing Lucius since the Necrons look down on humans sort of like a human stepping on a roach, but then return anyway? Also, how would Lucius come back from a Necron, who has no soul or warp connection if Lucius' resurrection ability is almost certainly warp based? How does that work? 5) Astartes: What is the big half completed gold statue/machine? What is the orb that sucks the marines in? Who is the being they see for a flash when they get sucked in, and what is it about? Any idea where they are when they get sucked in? Who are the two psycher guys with the spines, and do you have any idea what their deal is? Any idea on who was talking to the adeptus mechanicus guy just before he gets possessed?
Great video! As much as i love 40k one of my biggest lore pet peeves is when GW does weird things with the numbers for things. The Howling creature killed A BILLION Astropaths in a system with around 1500 worlds? Come on GW, that's insane. How could so many be in that system? Aren't they supposed to be rare? Like not Pariah rare, but rare. They also do this with numbers for battles, making the seem dead too low for certain events. Maybe nobody else thinks this way
I love how some writes in the wh40k lore try to put elements of lovecraftian horror in the game lore, but cannot go there because it would F up the games power-play…
You are by far my favorite Warhammer RUclipsr, if I see every other video notification I inore them and come straight to you, I'll even leave videos unfinished and I'll pause my games just to watch your new video and I listen to your videos when I'm doing stuff like working, playing games, and other stuff where I can listen to your videos, keep up the work my man
10:00 disappeared city was the night Lords they tortured everyone and massacred many of the Iron snakes I know it's because I heard of short story of how they tortured this planetary governor
What if it's a xeno that consumes machines that the necrons have down their? Or like some kind of technomenetic phycer xeno with the ability to spread or control the necrons using its phyck abilities?
The disappearing populace on that hive world and the other one about the Black Sun were highly disturbing. But the Halo stars and immortality devices take the cake.
omfg bro that ad segment intro was hilarious and I'm letting it play in the background as I write this comment because you deserve that $$ for that top tier forth wall break of an ad transition love you bro you are the reason I follow the lore of 40k I had no idea how dark it really is until I watched one of your videos. You are the reason I know how dark the grim dark is
I've said it before and I'll say it again, thank you again for introducing me to the grimm dark universe! If it wasn't for your shorts I would have never gotten into Warhammer
At least it isn't "established titles" or "kamikoto knives" raid is a scam sure, in the same sense that call of duty or fortnight or any other example of massively popular gaming franchises that employ microtransactions; but at least you get the product that you pay for and it can hold some sort of value to the individual.
Why, seeing a whole shit load of sponsors on channels end up being scams I’m glad there is an honest company sponsoring some of my fave creators. Plus I heard they pay pretty well. Annoying as fuck though not gonna lie
I’ve been watching your videos for a while - or listening to them while cooking - and just want to leave you that I like them a lot. Yes, it may be a bit strange to relax to stories of the most ancient horrors of the darkest of the larger universes, but that’s how it is. Thank you.
What if the Halo device is the alien's way of taking over the host? The way we see stage 3 is the host becomes more twisted to the alien's original form. The host “lives forever” but becomes trapped in their own body as the alien progressively takes more control over the host's body, mind, and soul.
For me it is definitely the mysteries of the warlord sinister psi-titans, these monstrosities are to regular titans what a grey knight is to a space marine and their mechanism are a complete mystery. Only the emerpor know how the sinistrumanus tanaebrae (aka psi canon) and the ciracrux anima work.
40k artwork is so good. I love the asymmetry of the ships. Looks like they were assembled with whatever the manufacturers had rather than some predetermined mold like most space operas.
I think Komus the tyrant star's prophecy is related to the Dark King, as in the Dark King's prophecy it says something along the lines of humanity accepting the Dark King and his ascension while the Komus prophecy depicts something STRIKINGLY similar with the same premise of humanity accepting darkness and their eventual end.
I feel that the black planet very well may have something to do with what is driving the Tyranids into our galaxy. I would also guess the next big threat to the galaxy will come from the Halo stars, once the threat of Chaos is turned back again.
I'd love to hear a breif blurb on what Wes thinks the most likely (or fun) answer is to these mysteries. There are some really good head cannons out there that deserve to be known.
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I would play raid if it didn't feel like. Such a grind.
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So are the halo devices and the black sun retaled as you said they have dreams of alien cities under black stars
The fact that the necrons are afraid of what is being held there says so much. That is a horrible thought.
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*I mean if a species that has been around before humanity even knew what space was, that have become immortal and almost immovable machines fears what ever in the 9 hells is in there? I’m pretty sure we all should be*
My issue with this is if the necrons are so afraid of them, that those beings are even more powerful than the gods they already faced eons ago, then how in the heck did they manage to "confine them" in that labyrinth ?!? To me, a being that is supposed to be beyond godlike but is still subject to being trapped in a "prison" means it's not that powerful after all.
@arlond5 It's a similar effect to falling into a pit trap as a human.
Normally, under the majority of circumstances, a person could figure out a way to climb out of a hole. But the surprise completely ruins the chance. Necrons have shown to be some of the most deceptive creatures in existence. They tricked a "God" known as The Deciever😂. It also may be those entities were contained by the C'Tan working together to prevent them from eliminating or stopping them and the Necrons came into control of it by chance after defeating them.
The Disapperance of Fornax Aleph feels like something straight out of a Lovecraft tale. Freaking love this one. Leaves just enough to make your mind and imagination wonder but still gives you enough to really dive into the story. These are the kind of stories in just Sci Fi in general that I love.
I’m not sure exactly why but I think Fornox Aleph is just absolutely terrifying. In a Universe so full of conflict, having a sudden derelict and empty place is a horrific thought. That and the realization that something cleared out an entire planet’s civilization with no warning, conflict, or trace, and is most likely still out there
Trayzn got a rival out there
@SomeguynamedJosh I actually thought that he was the one who did it. Like one day out of sheer boredom hes like I want to have my own hive city. In the same sense that a human child would want an ant farm
@@lornbaker1083 but then he would've taken the whole city not just the people
Yea, I don't know why but stories like Fornax Aleph always give me the biggest chills. The dead world, the disappearing population of, not just one, but a whole PLANET of hive cities, the unexplained blood-curdling SCREAMING in the middle of the night!? Wtf!? Then the investigators (space marines in this case) dissappear without a trace too!? No explanation, no giant evil monster, no horrible disaster, just *poof*...gone. uggggggh
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My personal pet theory is that the halo devices are actually medical devices for an alien race that had transcended aging. Humans are just similar ENOUGH to activate them, but the device immediately freaks out as it registers the human using it as "dying" and fixes the problem... but then goes much too far, trying to "fix" the human to the template it knows. And the few that just give immortality without the other problems are faulty, underpowered or slightly broken.
What if it attempts to put the user back to the original form it was "keyed" during its first activation. Hence those who use it after are getting the problems. Those rare ones which don't bring on changes were never keyed.
The devices might also be faulty, maybe in their pursuit of immortality they fucked up, creating devices that were used by the entire population and changed them to abominations resulting in massive infighting and the destruction of their civilization.
There might be some that still remain somewhere in the galaxy with minds bent and destroyed beyond belief. Hell maybe the thing that caused The Howling was part of this specie.
I like this
Cool theory and even if not true i totally wanna steal for a future plot
I wonder what would happen if a person at any stage of the halo device had children.
Would they be normal or enchanced because it is Said that the device changes them at a molecular level so would they be able to have kids And if so what would they look Like.
The worst part about the Halo devices is that a very small number (~5%) have no terrible drawbacks, they truly turn their host into an immortal, beautiful, god-like being. But those are very few and far between as most are of the twisted variety. But extremely wealthy citizens will often believe it's worth the gamble.
Sometimes the Inquisition seem like complete morons. They will cover up any knowledge of the Halo devices and what happens to people who use them, even though the rumour it gives immortality is already prevalent.
Pretty sure if the Inquisition let out that it doesn't grant immortality, just a couple of years, then turns you into meat-puppet zombie who will eat his closest friends and family, a lot fewer people would be willing to try it.
Any lore about this 5%? I can’t seem to find any info about it
Ant lore about it?
@@ironman3090 It was in Leutin's video about the Halo stars.
@@Just_Pele HOW ABOUT A PRIMARY SOURCE?
Keep doing all the weird and obscure stuff for as long as you can. Its so amazing and I cant find this anywhere else. thanks so much.
Can do! It's my favorite stuff to cover! Only problem is that a lot of times. There's not a lot of information on some of this stuff so it has to be done in like a top five kind of video. But as long as everybody's okay with that, I'll keep on making them :)
Bro, you can find all this stuff and a lot more by reading. Mind you the only cannon information is in the codexes but what Wes says is more accurate than most RUclipsrs but the most accurate is Oculus Imperia.... don't listen to Luetin he is an idiot
As someone who recently got into the lore of 40K within the last couple years, mainly thanks to you and your shorts, this is only way I'll ever find out about this stuff. Keep it Wes, love the content.
@@weshammer Whats the song you used for Halo Devices? I love creepy songs and gotta know what it is called.
Just want to second this. It's so cool to find out about these little mysteries that only get mentioned once or twice. Keep it up!
So it's my theory that the Halo devices weren't supposed to offer humans immortality, but rather offer their makers immortality. I figure that the end result is not an insane human but rather a transformation into the original Xenos race. The memories are of the original owner of the devices.
What about having backup of previous users inside that gets chimericaly merged with current one mind and body, with result being insane chimera getting worse with each user.
Thats what I was thinking, although I get the feeling they aren’t working properly and instead of fully restoring the original alien they find up creating a deformed fusion of them and the host in mind and body who is utterly insane due to the incompatibility between the alien mind within and a human one
Very good theory
Makes sense. The fact that they are essentially indestructible and are found in a specific region of the galaxy adds credibility to this theory.
Although, the fact that each of them has unique design leads me to believe that they are not actually designed with intent, rather that they’re just parts of their creators, and this functionality is just their nature.
You know, like massive dead stars leave behind deadly cores that shoot deadly space lasers?
Same thing but they turn the unlucky prey into a new body.
I love how Wes says, "I have bills to pay." Total Chad
Someday he will make it to Gigachad status and have an accountant that takes care of that for him.
And immediately start ad for raid shadow legends
The set up was pretty funny "it's ya boy.. .."
Let us be honest. It isn't Bill. It is more WH40K Minis lol
Honestly, the second he said he got bills to pay. All I think about is raid shadow legends
One creepy mystery I'd love to hear more about is this; Why the hell does everybody stay away from The Ghoul Stars? I know the supersitious Imperium believes them to be haunted and it's a region full of dead worlds but,I get the feeling that something lives out there. Could it be an unknown Xeno species? Daemons? Or something even more sinister?
Based on snippets of lore, it seems to be the gateway to a nightmare dimension not related to chaos. It’s the location of the Flayed Ones Dynasty and a hive fleet that went near it went insane.
I agree I want to learn more of them
in some old lore the stars themselves are a third strange power outside of chaos and the normal universe, one of the eldar even speculated that they are what is left or what will be of another power on par with chaos, although not sure if this was retconned as it was old lore and many things have changed since then.
i'd say it's something from the dark age of technology gone wrong. the humans in those days had explored every part of the known galaxy and traded with or fought most things that could pose a threat to the current imperium with barely any opposition. so they're either responsible for it or at least know what it is.
Most of what i get from the lore on the ghoul stars is its one of those distant locations that the astronomicon doesnt really reach all that well. Because of that exploration and crusade fleets find it hard to operate there. That means all manners of nasty xenos and chaos aligned factions are able to hang out there without much resistance.
I still find it really creepy that the Titans of the current setting are mere pale imitations of the real AI controlled Titans from The Dark Age of Technology....
If a Titan is devastating now,just think of the unrestrained devastation a true Titan could unleash!
Recall there was a true AI Titan discovered, and the pattern to build it. However, it voluntarily gave itself to chaos.
There's a bit of lore where Grey knights found a true titan and I believe even its fully intact STC and even had a conversation with it, and in said conversation it called the most powerful titan that's in the imperiums arsenal a mere child compared to itself... now from what I remember cause I came across this lore a while ago, the titan had willingly let itself and its STC be corrupted by chaos so the Grey Knights had to destroy both, not to mention it was a Complete A.I. which is a big no no, I think there are a couple of RUclips videos about it if you dig deep enough
@CinnamonMeister and here we are creating AI.
There is a titanique legion called the warp runners that were know to deploy on the battleground by teleportation when needed so I guess titans during the dark age would have been more nimble and faster than eldars titans... Wich is insane enough now imagine this kind of machines teleporting mid-fight to backstab the opponent!? X)
Knights from Golden age would wreck the biggest titan and the nanotechnology could render you into component parts
I’m curious, would you be willing to do a video on the ghoul stars? A sector that even the space bugs of death are acres of of, a necron dynasty full of flayers, and a mysterious space marine chapter that patrols the sector
Yes please! There isn’t enough videos about it currently as well.
There is also that Necromunda lore with howling ruins and Imperial Fists dissapearing. They made it an no access zone. Pretty creepy.
Oh I will have to look into this one! I've never heard of this
@@weshammer the location is called the skull cluster
Honestly, I’m convinced that The Disappearance of Fornax Aleph was just Trayzn using a Master Ball.
That’s what I’m thinking that is the only explanation except for the continuous screaming… that isn’t his thing so huh
@@zepaduse97Trazyn probably yeeted a marble of eternal horrifying screams while collecting his hive world humans. That's why they can't find the source, it's as small as a marble in a hive world. If he did it with a bell to the Eldars, he's not indifferent to inconveniencing humans.
@@PandaGin "Lord Trazyn, we have captured and catalogued the city's inhabitants."
"Excellent! Did you let the screamer scarabs loose like I wanted?"
"Yes, Lord Trazyn. And we're currently tractor beaming that Leman Russ onto the roof of that skyscraper like you wanted. Uh... why are we doing this again?"
"I thought it would be funny. Can you imagine the looks on their stupid meatsack faces when they find it?"
He would.
@@MoonLitChildi did
That Labyrinth would make a GREAT Sci Fi Horror book or movie. Imagine some Rogue Traders trying to make a name for themselves coming across it and the shard of the Nightbringer is stalking them and attacking them psychologically. The mass disappearance one as well! Love your videos Wes! Keep it up!
Personally I love the mystery surrounding whatever thing the Death Watch managed to catch on a planet that is perfectly invisible and unnoticable, which just seems to be trolling them by giving them just enough evidence that it is there while still not doing anything else.
Probably a really big ork painted purple
We do a little trolling.
wasn't its said to be something involving the tyranids?
@@Brandon-ff1yo it was theorized to be a tyranid, but there is not much proof for it being a nid
@@Brandon-ff1yo that’s the most popular theory.
The disappearances of Fornax Aleph sound like some Drukhari bet taken to the extreme: abduct an entire Hive World's population with no trace left behind...then, abduct the relief force in the same way after (got sloppy with the Leman Russ).
They have done things similar to this feat in the past and even abducted an entire Exodite World (planet and all).
Thank you wes for keeping up with the weekly videos! The Warhammer community appreciates you !!
Working overtime to make up for the time off I took this month 😄 I missed you guys
@@weshammer time off is fine, don't overdo it. We'll be here so take your time
Yeah Wes, this is your job, u need to have days off 🤷♂️
@@weshammer take as many breaks as you need so you can keep up the awesome content
I think the Halo devices are some kind of last effort to achieve immortality by overriding the DNA of the host but that's not the terrifying part... The Xenos that created the halo devices are either extinct or they are no longer in the Milky way as if they ran away or were killed by something far more superior. I think is very clear Games Workshop are setting the foundations for new entities far more dangerous and darker than the Immaterium creatures and the chaos gods
I would be all for that. I just don't find chaos terribly interesting as an antagonistic force.
@@RifterDask to be honest would be a great relief if Lovecraftian entities start to appear in the halo system, Eldritch horrors could be more grimdark than the chaos gods themselves
This universe they've built is just getting more and more intriguing to me. Thanks so much for putting your time into these videos!
Great video as always. I must admit though, that my favorite part was the 0,5 second pause before "Raid: Shadow Legends". It looked like you went through all five stages of grief in the blink of an eye, with seven other emotions sprinkled on top. Perfect.
0:48 one of the very, VERY rare occasions where a youtuber admits they are plugging in ads for money. That was a breath of fresh air. You earned my respect for honesty. We all have bills to pay. Don't blame you for ads if you admit it.
The halo devices cause nightmares of strange dead cities beneath dark stars. Could the halo devices be linked to Komus, the tyrant star, and/or the disappearance of Fornax Aleph?
I know right, I considered it myself, the dark star is linked with the prophesy of eternal darkness coming over the universe. My theory is that the alien species that created them made them for the purpose of creating a device that could adapt a being to the "dark universe" I don't think they disappeared but rather turned into something different. If you recall there was a time travelling species during the great crusade that was said to be running migrating away from something, could this be the dark future.
To me, the halo devices sound like something Slaanesh would think up.
@@muda1312 the Hrud. There is a whole crazy theory floating around regarding them that essentially posits exactly this but goes even further by speculating that the Hrud are humans from the far flung future.
Their God also has some similarities with the black sun and the aging effects of the temporal field the species emitted aged things and eventually petrified them sort of like the hand in the leman russ tank.
Kinda reminds me of Carcossa and the King in Yellow.
I think the most exciting one of these to me is Fornax Aleph. An entire world devoid of life, as if deleted from the planet in one quick press of a button. The mood set up here is pretty spooky too, a breed of superhuman warrior monks known for their lust for battle glory, their grandiose proclamations and contemptful maledictions, suddenly without words at the strangeness of it all.
Yeah It’s the best on the list for me too. When you’ve read a lot of the Sabbat worlds storyline, and you’ve seen all the other crazy rituals and magic the Archonate can call upon, it makes this so much more real and it hits closer to home
This dude is my favorite when it comes to 40k lore specially his videos on orcs.The way you describe orcs always crack me up specially the one where the orc tusk i think it is who decided to fly into the eye of terror to fight chaos wich basically is the best vacation orcs could take.and survived all the realms until khorn took notice and decided to let them fight forever.That is the funniest video
I like to think the tyrant star is related to Malal/Malice, who else would be for a chaos campaign centered either around Malal & Vashtorr either competing for a spot as the 5th major chaos god or teaming up to screw over the big 4.
Just like we listened to your horror stories without skipping, I never skip your ads. We really appreciate your work! Thank you!
But we are still waiting for another story :) Perdition's Flame and The Watcher were amazing in your voice!
I like the non-warp Lovecraftian horrors from the Ghoul Stars and Halo Stars. More demons of the material realm. A reminder that even the "mundane" reality of 40K is grim and horrifying.
My theory on Komus the Tyrant Star is that it is the result of a last ditch effort by a xenos race of uknown origin with psychic powers, attempting to escape certain extinction that wh40k is well known for. A construct or entity attempting to break free from the warp at random intervals, nearly succeeding, always failing. But should it succeed, all who came under its influence will change and mutate. Ever more resembling the dead species that created such a terrifying object.
Or maybe it’s their planet or even worse, a construct that they live on and then they enter our reality, it’s not good for us
Really cool stuff! The only one I was familiar with was Komus. Fornax Aleph has me absolutely intrigued, but the scariest one to me is The Labyrinth Of Thanotep. If it freaks out the Necrons, I want no part of it lol
I love how you brought up not just one, but TWO Calixian mysteries. Being someone who has obsessively studied the source material for that sector for nearly ten years now and still occasionally find cross-references and implications that have eluded me for the longest of times, I am always happy to see others bring the topic up to bring their thoughts on the subject matter into light, giving me new perspectives to work with in my attempts to understand the secrets of that cursed space.
I love the creepy and horrifying parts of the 40k setting! I especially love when the baroque is mixed with the Lovecraftian. Like the mechanical body of Pontius Glaw, and the description of the Psycharus Worm, one of the horrifically dangerous yet highly sought after Halo Devices. "Appearing like a tarnished brass maggot some six inches in length, the worm is cold and greasy to the touch and on first inspection appears to be nothing more than a macabre curio." Brass maggot that's simultaneously cold and greasy to the touch, has a connection to the Warp, and bonds with a host, eventually twisting them into a humanoid abomination controlled by an ancient and utterly alien intelligence? Fascinating!
When i hear stories like the one of the empty hive city i wonder what is worse between a "standard 40k" frontal conflict or slowly descending into madness before disappearing without any trace. Truly a terrifying universe. Great video!
The Disappearance of Fornax Aleph would make for a neat suspense/thriller, and the Halo Devices would make for a good plot device for a body horror movie.
I love the coverage of all things 40k horror and creepy. 40k is such a good setting for it I hope GW keep leaning into it with novels and short stories.
So some minor fun bits of lore I’d like to get into:
The fate of the Disciples of Flames- a really weird mix of Salamanders, Raven Guard, and oddly enough, Iron Warriors active in the HH era.
The roughly 15,000 year old “immortal” that… is a random businesswoman on the hive world of Alecto (yes this is actually a thing).
(Speculation): The doom weapon that seems to be the goal of the next Sabbat Worlds books.
I gotta say you had one of the fastest growing “Warhammer” lore channels that I’m glad to a part of
...for decades I always thought it was called, "The Tyrant Star". Never knew it was called, "Komus". Learned something new... thank you Wes!!!
With Owlcat making the CRPG Rogue Trader, maybe a Rogue Trader deep dive or interesting rogue trader character story video would be in order? Unless you've already done that.
Love the lore vids, man! Been forever since I've been able to keep up on Warhammer and these are fun to listen to.
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I love your stuff dude, legitimately. I haven't been into Warhammer for very long (maybe only a couple of years) but your videos have been essentially a really good introduction as I've slowly gotten to know the hobby better and better. Now, even though I feel like I have a really good grasp on the lore of the universe, I never cease to learn something new about the universe through your videos. Thanks for all you do and keep up the good work. Your channel is definitely my go-to for listening to while I'm painting and assembling models, especially your deep-dives.
Hey, thanks a ton, I appreciate it and I'm really glad you love the content! I'll tell you that that's the best thing about Warhammer to me. They produce more lore faster than any sane person can keep up with , and there's like three decades worth of amazing stuff in the backlog! No matter how much you know about the universe, there's always something new to learn 😃 I've read about 150 of the novels and I still learn new stuff everyday!
For your next deep dive could you go over some pretty neat weapons from those damned xenos.
Such as the tyranid bioweapons or Eldar D-weapons.
As always awesome video.
Eldar weapons deserve some attention for sure
Thank you, Wes! Appreciate you highlighting some of the mysteries in the grimdark!
Feel like the disappearing planet, etc. has got to be that collector Necron.
I live for this. This channel telling the weird stories of the 40k universe is what I want to hear
If anyone bugs you about the sponsorship adverts, to hell with them. They ought to just be happy to get the weekly video 😊 we appreciate you and the videos you do my guy. Everytime I get the notification you got a new one I'm on it like sonic 😅
Honestly Wess, I love your vids so much because you talk about things I don't think anyone else has, the stuff that's so obscure it's unknown to newer 40k fans like myself
Its a theory to the Tyrant Star is what had remaind from the chaos god Malal who was destroyd by other chaos gods because he wanted to destroy everything in existence and was too powerful to be left alive.
dude you seriously do an amazing job on your videos. I never though I cared about warhammer Lore until I started watching your stuff and its keeping me really interested in the game. Thanks!
Questions for Wes: 11) What will the Tyranids do with all the biomass if they get it? Give the hive mind a body or something? Do we have any glimpses into what their end game is? 2) What exactly is the Black Rage? 3) Ravenguard compared to Nightlords? Differences and Similarities? (I know you've mentioned a fair bit about Conrad, but haven't said much about Corvus Corax. Is he some warp-based daemon prince of the Emperor's new 5th chaos faction by now or what?) 4) Theories on how Lucius the Eternal could be killed by a Necron, who would feel no pride in killing Lucius since the Necrons look down on humans sort of like a human stepping on a roach, but then return anyway? Also, how would Lucius come back from a Necron, who has no soul or warp connection if Lucius' resurrection ability is almost certainly warp based? How does that work? 5) Astartes: What is the big half completed gold statue/machine? What is the orb that sucks the marines in? Who is the being they see for a flash when they get sucked in, and what is it about? Any idea where they are when they get sucked in? Who are the two psycher guys with the spines, and do you have any idea what their deal is? Any idea on who was talking to the adeptus mechanicus guy just before he gets possessed?
4) Answer, poor writing.
I gotta say I love your segway into the ad part pf the video please keep doing that lol it really makes the viewer want to watch the ad❤
The empty hive world sure sounds a lot like Dark Eldar shenanigans.
I'm a magic the gathering player through and through,but each of your lore videos hook me more and more to Warhammer 40k! Greate work
I could swear I once saw a 40k mtg crossover deck
In the grim darkness of the far future there is only Raid Shadow Legends!
Great video! As much as i love 40k one of my biggest lore pet peeves is when GW does weird things with the numbers for things. The Howling creature killed A BILLION Astropaths in a system with around 1500 worlds? Come on GW, that's insane. How could so many be in that system? Aren't they supposed to be rare? Like not Pariah rare, but rare. They also do this with numbers for battles, making the seem dead too low for certain events. Maybe nobody else thinks this way
I love how some writes in the wh40k lore try to put elements of lovecraftian horror in the game lore, but cannot go there because it would F up the games power-play…
Great video! This channel is the best 40k blend of editing/information and entertainment.
Will you discuss the Farsight and Lion Arks of Omen books soon?
Yes, I plan on it! I just have to get my hands on them first
Good luck
You are by far my favorite Warhammer RUclipsr, if I see every other video notification I inore them and come straight to you, I'll even leave videos unfinished and I'll pause my games just to watch your new video and I listen to your videos when I'm doing stuff like working, playing games, and other stuff where I can listen to your videos, keep up the work my man
At this point Raid sponsors are understandable. They pay so well so it kinda makes sense to take their sponsorship.
Am I the only one that would see a fucking amazing video game of just being someone tasked with investigating all of these things? Oh man.
I'm just here to say how excited I am the return of Lion El Johnson just got announced. Waiting on the story now that the model has been released.
3 minutes ago,
Cant wait to see all the mysteries you will talk about!
Love ur vids, You got me into Warhammer and i love it!
10:00 disappeared city was the night Lords they tortured everyone and massacred many of the Iron snakes I know it's because I heard of short story of how they tortured this planetary governor
Dude you’re killing it! Can’t believe how many vids you’re making and they’re all amazing
What if it's a xeno that consumes machines that the necrons have down their? Or like some kind of technomenetic phycer xeno with the ability to spread or control the necrons using its phyck abilities?
The Pale Wasting is a fascinating mystery in 40k that I’d love to hear more about
The real evil of this video is raid
The disappearing populace on that hive world and the other one about the Black Sun were highly disturbing. But the Halo stars and immortality devices take the cake.
would you ever make a gigantic video?
omfg bro that ad segment intro was hilarious and I'm letting it play in the background as I write this comment because you deserve that $$ for that top tier forth wall break of an ad transition love you bro you are the reason I follow the lore of 40k I had no idea how dark it really is until I watched one of your videos. You are the reason I know how dark the grim dark is
Not heresy. Nothing heretical here.
I hope you make more of these! I love unsolved mysteries!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, thank you again for introducing me to the grimm dark universe! If it wasn't for your shorts I would have never gotten into Warhammer
Raid shadow legends is waaayyy worse then any other possible sponsorship
Same with raycon.
And it seems hellofresh is also a jerk if you don't get the numbers.
He gots bills to pay
At least it isn't "established titles" or "kamikoto knives" raid is a scam sure, in the same sense that call of duty or fortnight or any other example of massively popular gaming franchises that employ microtransactions; but at least you get the product that you pay for and it can hold some sort of value to the individual.
Raid shadow legend is the fifth chaos god
Why, seeing a whole shit load of sponsors on channels end up being scams I’m glad there is an honest company sponsoring some of my fave creators. Plus I heard they pay pretty well. Annoying as fuck though not gonna lie
The Halo Device has a glint of bio-transference(like the necron), the minds of the long dead alien race that made them, fused into the devices.
The halo devices remind me of the Relic from Cyberpunk 2077.
It was this alien races shot at immortality by overtaking a new host every time.
That was the best Raid: Shadow Legends ad I have ever seen.
Any movie or series based on 40k should be a mix between Aliens and Event Horizon, it lends itself so well to horror.
I’ve been watching your videos for a while - or listening to them while cooking - and just want to leave you that I like them a lot.
Yes, it may be a bit strange to relax to stories of the most ancient horrors of the darkest of the larger universes, but that’s how it is. Thank you.
just want to say tq for introducing warhammer 40k to me and keep up the gd work man i always look foward for ur vids
It's these little creepy side stories that I love the most.
You are the one that made me get into war hammer 1 year ago. Keep up your amazing work!
2 videos in 2 days? Oh Wes, you spoil us so much.
Love from 🇧🇷
What if the Halo device is the alien's way of taking over the host? The way we see stage 3 is the host becomes more twisted to the alien's original form. The host “lives forever” but becomes trapped in their own body as the alien progressively takes more control over the host's body, mind, and soul.
That last one had serious Lovecraft vibes. And more contemporary SCP.
i love this channel and would love to see you talk about malal/malice in a full video rather than a short
This is a great vid, but don't let it distract you from the fact that THE LION IS AWAKE!🦁
For me it is definitely the mysteries of the warlord sinister psi-titans, these monstrosities are to regular titans what a grey knight is to a space marine and their mechanism are a complete mystery. Only the emerpor know how the sinistrumanus tanaebrae (aka psi canon) and the ciracrux anima work.
40k artwork is so good. I love the asymmetry of the ships. Looks like they were assembled with whatever the manufacturers had rather than some predetermined mold like most space operas.
First time I caught a vid of yours within the hour of uploading, pretty cool actually!
In the last week I have watched this video pretty much everyday. Absolutely love this content!
The Halo devices, is truly my favorite here, simply for the Lovecraftian vibes they give. Vision of madness like the mad prince. Great video!
bruv your contents prove that 40k is more than just galactic war. keep up the good work!
Hey! Welcome back! 🎉. Now hand over that sweet sweet 40K lore
When i last played Warhammer 40k we had no Necrons or Weeb Tau
I have been binging these for the past while and enjoying the heck out of it! Very much awesome!
I think Komus the tyrant star's prophecy is related to the Dark King, as in the Dark King's prophecy it says something along the lines of humanity accepting the Dark King and his ascension while the Komus prophecy depicts something STRIKINGLY similar with the same premise of humanity accepting darkness and their eventual end.
That occurred to me too.
I think it's an accident because the Komus lore was written LONG BEFORE the dark king plotline
I feel that the black planet very well may have something to do with what is driving the Tyranids into our galaxy. I would also guess the next big threat to the galaxy will come from the Halo stars, once the threat of Chaos is turned back again.
I'd love to hear a breif blurb on what Wes thinks the most likely (or fun) answer is to these mysteries. There are some really good head cannons out there that deserve to be known.
I love your ad intro, very honest. Knew it was raid. Good show, sport. Keep up the amazing work.