Here's an alternative interpretation of Tzeentch's yellow brick road: it was a normal human girl who solved it. No disguises, no tricks, just a particularly imaginative child, a dog, and a lot of luck. Tzeentch's essence is hope and change. He can't ever construct a maze that is genuinely impossible to solve, there always needs to be the faintest of hopes to pull through. He's also self-defeating, he can't ever succeed in a decisive way because if he ever reaches his goals, he'd stagnate (and that is worse than death for the god of change). Lastly, he's not necessarily happy with these properties: it is in his nature to sabotage himself while hating the fact that he can be sabotaged. It would be entirely on-brand for Tzeentch to create the harshest of possible riddles for sorcerers and his own daemons, only to overlook a massive security vulnerability that lets some harmless child to enter it by accident and genuinely earn her way out of it. Tzeentch saying "no, it was secretly the Emperor of Cegodeceiver" is, as the kids say nowadays, pure cope.
This is my favorite interpretation of this. That there is no greater mystery, it wasn't the emperor in disguise or some other deity. Just that a simple innocent child that hasn't yet been beaten down by the grim dark future like everyone else, was something that tzeentch couldn't comprehend 😂
All this reply made think was that dumb meme -Tzeench "how did you get past the security....the the traps and..." -Child "the door was unlocked" Tzeench "SON OF A BI..."
Genuinely think that little girl in Tzeentch's maze was just that... a little girl. It always reminded me of that scene in Star Wars, when Obi-Wan couldn't find Kamino and a toddler pointed out that someone had obviously fiddled with the archives, with Yoda chuckling in the background. Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is...
That would actually be badass if by some chain of events some random little girl ends up there and through sheer childish thinking she's able to beat the Architect of Fate at his own game. All while Nurgle chuckles in delight at his face when this happens.
I think the little girl is meant to respresent us... the readers/players... we know all the answers and the route to the middle because we have to... we have to know what happens at each gate, the answer to each riddle and what is in the middle of the maze... its sort of wall breaking... We are represented as a child because we dont realise what we are delving into... the horrors we are toying with just for fun... we are innocent of our own ignorance...
It was literally just a little girl being asked impossible questions like "how do you fit a whole giraffe into a refrigerator?" and the girl answered as only a child can: "You push it inside, dummy." The demon sat there and had to concede that the girl was technically not wrong. So the girl got access to the library. And the only thing she wanted to know was "what is mummy getting me for my Emperor's Day present?... Oh, okay. Yes, I'm ready to go home now. That's all I wanted to know." Hence why Tzeentch absolutely flipped out on the demon who let her through.
I was listening to the video when I heard "What are the cryptos running from" and all I could think was "The IRS" cause cryptobros have ruined the word for me.
I'm guessing some sort of element that could mix with their gases, make them heavier and to force them to condense, turning them from a mind controlling gas parasite to a few drops of liquid that would sink into soil and wouldn't even be enough to form a small puddle.
One theory about the girl in the maze I've heard is quite interesting. She wasn't a god or a deamon or anything. She was a completely normal human child. The reason she was able to succeed was because her child-like naivety and innocence allowed her to see past the illusions and get to the real truth and thus the answers.
The date: November 1st Wes: I don't know if you're aware or not, but spooky season is only 11 months and 30 days away. Which means it's the perfect opportunity to talk about another batch of creepy unsolved mysteries...
I'd love to think the girl and her dog going through the labyrinth was just big E and malcador on a bender amd being bored like "Hey Malcador you wanna piss off that massive cry baby and do trivia night?"
I think that's funny. But the idea of her being legit just a little girl, and the thing she asks for when she gets there is 'have you seen my mum?' To be so perfect and fitting. No god or demigod, just some girl, with no idea where she was. Just got through it by sheer chance, or by some oversight of Tzeentch And when confronted with infinite knowledge. Just wanted something simple and innocent. Like the only person who could ever get to that info. Is someone who doesn't want it, or can't understand it
The one who beat Tzeentch's crystal maze, I think, as it would insult him the most, that the little girl was just that, a little girl. Someone who got lost and found herself at the 1st golden arch. A light of innocence in a sea of rolling madness and a storm of writhing desire for knowledge. Someone pure enough without the desire for knowledge but still child like curiosity Adition: I think their is a chance that the Black Reef may end up bringing in Lizard Men to 40k (or 50k at this rate) as a potentially devolved sub race of "Old Ones" that would likely refer to the Slann from Age of Sigmar. That is, if the lizard people thing turns out to be true in canon
THat would be an excellent way to bring in a new race/faction... Especially if they have the tech to tie up the necrons while the imperium is busy with the great rift... Need everyone busy so the bugs can come in and eat them all...
@soliloquy8163 with Vashtor in on the Pariah Crusade which, if I am correct, is right next to the Black Reef. We'll I think he wants to do damage to every army involved so they have less to deal with when he uses his "Key" to open up the Reef
I want to think that the smarter you are the harder the imposible maze becomes. Something like the maze takes the form of the most gross and weird things you can imagine and the guardian asks questions that they know you don't have. Then the little girl who lived her entire life in a farm see two crows as she is walking a corn maze just to ask her "Tell us little one who created this maze" and the girls respond "Is probably its owner who planted everything", then the guardian being perplexed at the innocent but true answer give her access to infinite knowledge and the girl only asks, "What's for dinner?"
Damn Wes you digging deep into 40K lore aren't ya, bringing up the Dark Pattern and the little girl and her dog who trolled Tzeentch and literally walked through his prized labyrinth or better yet the Steel Confessors? That's why I like your channel. Oh and the Warhammer horror hour too
I am 99% sure that the writer of the tzeentch story has confirmed that it is a reference to Neil gaiman's sandman series, and that's delirium/delight visiting because she can.
Oh, wonderful mystery episode. Sinclair's ship and WHAT he encountered - that one I really would love to see continued. SOMETHING let him live but removed or blanked his memory. I also hope they come back to this story and continue it.
I think the biggest mystery is why we haven't had another infinite and the divine book about how orikan and trazyn are just like a really old couple that always fights but love each other deep in their hearts
Wild theory I feel like the little girl that bested the maze would have been the star child. The star child (I feel) is the human portion of the warp personified and the small dog could have been the Emperor's compassion he shed, as the Emperor has been with humanity for so long this could have been given form in the warp (like everything else) as the dog, as he guided and protected humanityfor so long. Just as people keep dogs around to help, comfort and protect us.
A lot of people have already said it better than me, so I am just sputtering whatever comes to mind, but to me, the girl that passed through the Crystal Labirynth was just a regular girl. She was very lucky, she was likely brave, imaginative and smart, but she was just a child. But Children seem to have certain special traits in many stories (and I think in folklore too?), they have their specific purity, which would be how she could stave off the corrupting nature of Chaos, she was just too pure. Another thing is the nature of the Labirynth itself, it is said to have an infinite amount of possible paths, but only one correct one. A Child at the beggining of their life conceptually has an infinite amount of ways in which they may develop. An adult who has a goal, has lived a life already has only one path that they follow. The adult may only follow the path they have already been set into, which always ends up not being the correct one to get through the Crystal Labirynth, while a Child has an infinite amount of paths to choose from, which includes the correct path through the Labirynth. Dunno if it made sense, but just smth that flashed through my brain.
I wonder if the little girl was actually the Changeling. It would be pretty on par of him to essentially troll Tzeentch by taking the most innocent and defenseless form he could: A little girl and her puppy. And then using that form, beat Tzeentch's maze. If it was the Changeling I bet he didn't even go into the library. He'd just beat all the challenges and then leave while laughing.
This actually would make a lot of sense. The changeling would be able to fool the guardian, and he'd definitely know the answer to the riddles. I love the idea that he did all of that just to screw with tzeentch and didn't actually care about getting in the library. Theres nobody in the library to mess with so why would he waste his time there?
My hypothesis: the Black Reef is the final refuge for the last intact C'tan, it having fled when the Necrons shattered and enslaved the other C'tan, and/or the last Old One. The reptilian guardians fearing the return of the Necrons.
Hi Wes, love when you do the creepy aspects of W40K! Because for me it really does highlight how incredibly dark and grim that W40K Universe actually is beyond Total War. As well, it really opens up the idea that the Universe is just hostile to begin with and even if Total War was to finish some how...there are all these dark things lurking in the dark, Warp, and of course the Deep Warp.
I suddenly got a sudden sense of nostalgia listening to you on this video, then it hit me. Between the supernatural subject matter and your speech cadence, it has a very similar feeling to the Lost Tapes Mockumentary series from Animal Planet
That reminds me of a game where some guys are lost in a darl forest full of cultists and monsters...I love the idea of a game where the players are monsters and have to hide from a single Space Marine hunting monsters
21:29 No idea if its Canon or not but I read somewhere that there was a small cabal of Slann like beings that tries to help the 40k world. Would love to more from wes or the community since I love everything related to the lizardmen!
I just really like the idea of in the crystal labyrinth of constantly changing possibilities and chance one little girl just got lucky and made it all the way through
I hope the Tau discover some ancient power in the black reef they alone wield to make themselves into a substantial force to be reckoned with in the story
One day Wes.... you will cover the Angel Redemptor story... where a chapter of Space Marines is hiding and protecting.... arguably... a piece of the Emperor.
It would be cool if the Dark Pattern and the Crypto's are somehow linked. It could be part of that unseen evil that the Crypto's are so scared of. Personally I don't know much about the lore, and I love your lore video's I'm mostly a fantasy guy, but hearing about the Sci-Fi from you brings me over to this side a bit, and it's fun!
You know, stuff like the steel confessors, I'm totally fine treating it like it's 100% real, and everyone rolls with it so we can get more official stuff about them 😆 As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't feel the same just doesn't like fun or doesn't want what's best for the franchise haha
I've always leaned toward the thought that the little girl was Malice, the unseen Chaos god and her dog represented the pure aspect of terror itself. It would make sense too how the God and aspect of anarchy was able to make it through a labyrinth of near infinite possibilities. When confronted by the guardian, even a daemon of Tzneetch grew fearful of the lost chaos God of Terror.
hey Wes here´s a fun idea what could happen if the Imperium actually went "fuck tradition, lets roll new shit" how fucked would the none human entities be and how far could the Imperium go?
If it summons a demon then fucked everyone up but in all honesty? That be one of the scairest things possible as if they go full steam ahead just randomly i feel like even the dark eldar would have the rugged pulled under from them
Honestly, I first believed that the little girl that conquered Tzeench's maze was the Emperor or at least one of his shards and the little dog was Leman Russ that was lost into the Warp so the Shard of the Emperor disguised itself and the Wolf Ling so they could sneak through the Labyrinth. But while I still believe the small dog could be Leman it could be that the little girl is what remain of the Primarch's mother, who was said to be the most powerful Eternal after the Emperor himself. Maybe in her own way she has been looking after her sons in whatever way she could after the filth of the Wordbearers killed her. It could be nice if she was the one who taugh Corvus to turn into a scary raven demon.
I seem to recall a throwaway reference in one of the Black Library Necron novels where a cryptek makes reference to a ridiculous OTT superweapon that fires planets across the galaxy several times faster than light, or something like that. My theory is that that weapon is what's in the Black Reef. It was left there at the end of the War in Heaven, and all the gravitational shenanigans are connected to fluctuations in its 60 million year old power core. As for the lizards, they were one of the Old Ones' last creations and have been following the order "Do not let the T-800 lookalikes into the quarantine zone and take back this ridiculous OP weapon under any circumstances."
What if the dark pattern were the homeworlds of ancient xenos species and empires destroyed by the Necrons under the orders of the C'tan. To feed off the souls of the inhabitants, sort of like an all you can eat buffet. Then gathered together into the dark pattern as a sort of grisly trophy/projection of power of the C'tan.
The dark pattern is indeed an icon of doom and herald of terror. The reason it is unknowable to any denizen of the 40k Universe is that the doom it spells is of no possible meaning for them. When observed from just the right position in space... Latin letters can be made out... Spelling the most horrifying curse known to man: Written by Matt Ward.
I love the idea of the Big E being like “im bored imma go piss off Tzeentch real quick by solving his stupid riddle maze but as a little girl and a puppy” 😂😂
I'm convinced that the planets of the Dark Pattern and the Hadex Anomaly are connected, but I think the Pattern will do more than just trigger an expansion of the Anomaly. I think the Dark Pattern created and controls the Hadex Anomaly. Let's consider what we know about the Hadex Anomaly. We don't know how it was created, but we know the leading theories that it was created by a blasphemous cosmic alignment, or by blood rites performed on a planet that there are no records of. Who's to say it wasn't an alignment of the planets that make up the Dark Pattern that created the Anomaly? We also know the Anomaly periodically expands and contracts. We also know the Hadex Anomaly wanders around Jericho's Reach. This has led to the theory that the Hadex Anomaly itself might be a sentient Warp-entity. Instead, I believe the Anomaly's expansions, contractions, and movements are not the result of any sentient force, but instead are the result of the planets that make up the Dark Pattern moving into different alignments. Of course, I realize there are some problems with my theory, but I think it's a pretty good one. We know the Dark Pattern was already there when Mankind first reached the Jericho Sector. The Hadex Anomaly wasn't.
My theories on the girl and black dog: -the authors will never tell us because that would decrease fan involvement. -the girl is Erda Mother of the Primarchs working outside the light to save humanity. -the little girl is Tzeentch's library become a self aware being that could navigated the maze itself because it had so much knowledge. It took the form of Dorothy because "The Wizard of Oz" is a book in the library, and she is a classic literary protagonists that the library resonated with.
Do you wanna know what happens when a biomancer indulges in psychic cannibalism? Well, the souls merge, but the consumed soul learns regeneration as well. And that is where the fun beginns.
As someone who loves admec and iron hands and think their dislike of eachother is boring i confess i shoulve always trusted the strength and certainty of steel over iron
I think the little girl was just a normal human and all the riddles/questions are actually just incredibly simple. Tzeentch just hypes them up so everyone things they are super complex.
Wes is the only reason I like spooky season. I use to be a ride or die Christmas lover, but Christmas doesn't give me grim, or for that matter dark. Spooky season, however, brings this glorious bandana clad man and his stories of horrible terror
i like to think that tzeench and his guardian just back and forth for a minute of how a lil girl answer tham correctly and just started accused you cheated i don't know but that lil girl is gratitude thjat tzeench accused her cheating tzeench :you cheated lil girl :why thank you
How much you wanna bet that the "Dark Pattern" in the Jericho Reach is just some chaos gods nephew collecting his cool rocks from all over the universe?
The little girl who bested tzeentch probably was just a little girl. That said, during one of the last Horus Heresy books I think it's Malcador narrating about the Emperor and the many different disguises he's taken on over the centuries, one of which was a little girl. Food for thought.
Pretty sure that Erda and all the perpetual stuff didn't exist in lore at the time the story of the little girl and the dog was written. It's a possibility, sure, but it's almost certainly not what the original writer was thinking of.
The reason for the encounter in the dark pattern closes out the theory that it is there due to the old once, either some of them are there, or eldars that still worship them
Or his labyrinth is a testing ground, and it was just a little girl who got through. He gets mad because that means a type of soul that isn't supposed to exist, does, or worse. It means he was wrong about the outcome of something. What he'd hste more than anything. The one to pull one over on tzeentch without knowing it or intending too.
There is always two correct answers to any question or riddle. “ I don’t know.” is also correct. The little girl might’ve just went “ I don’t know” all guardians
1: They flee from a part-Chaos entity, that tracks them in real space. 2: The Girl was Tzeentch, messing with his Guardian. 3: The Dark Pattern is a part of a lost civilization, not yet revealed. 4: Intriguing. 5: Another lost, ancient, civilisation, fleeing the Enslavers.
Wouldn't even Tzneetch not know the true path out of his own labyrinth? All daemons are an extension of their respective God. Even if Tzeentch went through mind twisting lengths to prevent his own from knowing the true path through, a greater daemon of Tzneetch through potentially equal mind game fuckery could become aware of the knowledge by ways of accessing the knowledge unknowingly through Tzneetch and their connection. Or the way out could just be a trap door and this entire thought process played entirely into Tzeentch's plan
It says, in "the guise of a little girl"...so, it was most likely not truly one. The question would be: who craves Tzeentch's knowledge the most? Cegorach (or an agent of his) would be likely candidates to me. An aspect of the Emperor could be another...
We all know the Black Reef is the C'Tan that escaped (I believe it's the Outsider) being crazy. He didn't have his snickers and is being an Intergalactic Diva. Someone get that thing something to eat or a Snickers STAT!🤣 Also, great video Wes!
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Here's an alternative interpretation of Tzeentch's yellow brick road: it was a normal human girl who solved it. No disguises, no tricks, just a particularly imaginative child, a dog, and a lot of luck.
Tzeentch's essence is hope and change. He can't ever construct a maze that is genuinely impossible to solve, there always needs to be the faintest of hopes to pull through. He's also self-defeating, he can't ever succeed in a decisive way because if he ever reaches his goals, he'd stagnate (and that is worse than death for the god of change). Lastly, he's not necessarily happy with these properties: it is in his nature to sabotage himself while hating the fact that he can be sabotaged.
It would be entirely on-brand for Tzeentch to create the harshest of possible riddles for sorcerers and his own daemons, only to overlook a massive security vulnerability that lets some harmless child to enter it by accident and genuinely earn her way out of it. Tzeentch saying "no, it was secretly the Emperor of Cegodeceiver" is, as the kids say nowadays, pure cope.
This is my favorite interpretation of this. That there is no greater mystery, it wasn't the emperor in disguise or some other deity. Just that a simple innocent child that hasn't yet been beaten down by the grim dark future like everyone else, was something that tzeentch couldn't comprehend 😂
@@weshammer Typical humans, always focusing on the human character. It's the puppy, don't you see! Scooby wants the location of all his snacks!
This is the answer that I'd vote for. Failing that, I'd say it's 100% on-brand for Kegerac (sp?)
All this reply made think was that dumb meme
-Tzeench "how did you get past the security....the the traps and..."
-Child "the door was unlocked"
Tzeench "SON OF A BI..."
This feels like the foundation of a solid Ghibli movie!
The little girl was mork, who was cunnin' but brutal. The dog was gork who was brutal but cunnin'.
You's is doing too much thinkin', and not enough fightin'!
@@Archangelm127You're not that guy
@@Night-Rider101 More 'that guy' than you, ya git.
Haha. Yo Mork what should we do to day? Gork let's troll some chaos gods.
My dong is long, powerful and devastating
Genuinely think that little girl in Tzeentch's maze was just that... a little girl.
It always reminded me of that scene in Star Wars, when Obi-Wan couldn't find Kamino and a toddler pointed out that someone had obviously fiddled with the archives, with Yoda chuckling in the background.
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is...
That would actually be badass if by some chain of events some random little girl ends up there and through sheer childish thinking she's able to beat the Architect of Fate at his own game. All while Nurgle chuckles in delight at his face when this happens.
I think the little girl is meant to respresent us... the readers/players... we know all the answers and the route to the middle because we have to... we have to know what happens at each gate, the answer to each riddle and what is in the middle of the maze... its sort of wall breaking...
We are represented as a child because we dont realise what we are delving into... the horrors we are toying with just for fun... we are innocent of our own ignorance...
sort of proof that anyone or anything is possible
Yes, but the star wars universe is quite a bit more wholesome than 'this' universe in the year 40k?
@@chrisborman2506You don't know much about the Star wars universe LOL
It was literally just a little girl being asked impossible questions like "how do you fit a whole giraffe into a refrigerator?" and the girl answered as only a child can: "You push it inside, dummy."
The demon sat there and had to concede that the girl was technically not wrong. So the girl got access to the library. And the only thing she wanted to know was "what is mummy getting me for my Emperor's Day present?... Oh, okay. Yes, I'm ready to go home now. That's all I wanted to know."
Hence why Tzeentch absolutely flipped out on the demon who let her through.
That poor demon...
The interesting thing to note here is that the demon did not say what size the refridgerator was.
either that or she just replied "I don't know" to every question, which was also technically correct
I was listening to the video when I heard "What are the cryptos running from" and all I could think was "The IRS" cause cryptobros have ruined the word for me.
To me it's cryptozoology lol so now im picturing bigfoot hiding from the irs. Just dudes in suits out in the woods looking for a giant hairy manthing
In the 40th Millenium.....Irwin R Shyster became the ultimate god of the uttermost dark spaces of the universe...
it ain't safe for the god
the irs always coming
I'm guessing some sort of element that could mix with their gases, make them heavier and to force them to condense, turning them from a mind controlling gas parasite to a few drops of liquid that would sink into soil and wouldn't even be enough to form a small puddle.
One theory about the girl in the maze I've heard is quite interesting. She wasn't a god or a deamon or anything. She was a completely normal human child. The reason she was able to succeed was because her child-like naivety and innocence allowed her to see past the illusions and get to the real truth and thus the answers.
I love this answer
@@MaDmanex100 Ikr!
It would make sense that everyone else in the 40K universe would overthink everything
@@iantaran2843 Honestly yeah
Literally what I thought the answer was gonna be. Instead of it being shrouded in a veil of bullshit mystery lol
Wes: let me tell you of an unspeakable evil.......
Me:.....yes what is it called? Tell me about it
Wes: I can't it's Unspeakable
Why i always feel same 😂
Better Help is an unspeakable evil and he speaks on it quite often.
Also brings a picture up when speaking of the 'unseen evil'😅
To Wes, every season is spooky season
same lol🎃
Everyday is spooky day if you are scared enough!
One time I had to eat dinosaurs chicken nuggies without ketchup
"It's only 365 days until Halloween, that means it's spooky season." - Wes after Halloween, probably
As The Whitest Kids U Know once wisely stated: "Nothin' wrong with that! Nothin' wrong with that."
The date: November 1st
Wes: I don't know if you're aware or not, but spooky season is only 11 months and 30 days away. Which means it's the perfect opportunity to talk about another batch of creepy unsolved mysteries...
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Taxes. The Crypto’s are running from taxes.
Bruh...
I knew this comment would happen
.....preach.
Well yes. And no but yes.
The IRS is definetly a enemy that would hunt the entire universe for even a single cent of unpaid taxes
Not even august and already Wes is talking about Halloween, amazing.
29:33 *planet rapidly approaching ship*
“Hello, we’ve been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty”
Lmao
I'd love to think the girl and her dog going through the labyrinth was just big E and malcador on a bender amd being bored like "Hey Malcador you wanna piss off that massive cry baby and do trivia night?"
I think that's funny.
But the idea of her being legit just a little girl, and the thing she asks for when she gets there is 'have you seen my mum?'
To be so perfect and fitting.
No god or demigod, just some girl, with no idea where she was. Just got through it by sheer chance, or by some oversight of Tzeentch
And when confronted with infinite knowledge. Just wanted something simple and innocent.
Like the only person who could ever get to that info. Is someone who doesn't want it, or can't understand it
Sounds like a Rick and Morty crossover
The one who beat Tzeentch's crystal maze, I think, as it would insult him the most, that the little girl was just that, a little girl. Someone who got lost and found herself at the 1st golden arch. A light of innocence in a sea of rolling madness and a storm of writhing desire for knowledge. Someone pure enough without the desire for knowledge but still child like curiosity
Adition: I think their is a chance that the Black Reef may end up bringing in Lizard Men to 40k (or 50k at this rate) as a potentially devolved sub race of "Old Ones" that would likely refer to the Slann from Age of Sigmar. That is, if the lizard people thing turns out to be true in canon
THat would be an excellent way to bring in a new race/faction...
Especially if they have the tech to tie up the necrons while the imperium is busy with the great rift...
Need everyone busy so the bugs can come in and eat them all...
Or perhaps they’d be a race of devolved and mutated humans/abhumans?
@@ironxcrosss It has been confirmed by the authors to be a reference to Neil gaiman's character Delirium.
It's her with Barnaba the dog.
@soliloquy8163 with Vashtor in on the Pariah Crusade which, if I am correct, is right next to the Black Reef. We'll I think he wants to do damage to every army involved so they have less to deal with when he uses his "Key" to open up the Reef
I want to think that the smarter you are the harder the imposible maze becomes. Something like the maze takes the form of the most gross and weird things you can imagine and the guardian asks questions that they know you don't have. Then the little girl who lived her entire life in a farm see two crows as she is walking a corn maze just to ask her "Tell us little one who created this maze" and the girls respond "Is probably its owner who planted everything", then the guardian being perplexed at the innocent but true answer give her access to infinite knowledge and the girl only asks, "What's for dinner?"
"the crazier the better"
Good, because i believe that the little girl is one of the lost primarchs
That would explain why they were expunged . . . _Cooties._
Impossible the Emperor would never allow a girl Primarch to exist.
He knew older sisters would torment his sons forever if they ever became a thing.
Damn Wes you digging deep into 40K lore aren't ya, bringing up the Dark Pattern and the little girl and her dog who trolled Tzeentch and literally walked through his prized labyrinth or better yet the Steel Confessors? That's why I like your channel. Oh and the Warhammer horror hour too
I am 99% sure that the writer of the tzeentch story has confirmed that it is a reference to Neil gaiman's sandman series, and that's delirium/delight visiting because she can.
Oh, wonderful mystery episode. Sinclair's ship and WHAT he encountered - that one I really would love to see continued. SOMETHING let him live but removed or blanked his memory. I also hope they come back to this story and continue it.
Yeah. Who was the lady? An angel of The Emperor? An agent of whatever-it-is fucking with the Inquisition?
It’s possible that the Dark Pattern are a remnant of an extremely powerful civilization, one annihilated by an unidentified force.
I think the biggest mystery is why we haven't had another infinite and the divine book about how orikan and trazyn are just like a really old couple that always fights but love each other deep in their hearts
The girl's name is lost to history, but she is the true heir of James H. Workshop himself
Jane Workshop
that little girl had the entire Legion of the Dammed with her, in the form of a puppy, and the Guardian was too scared to try and hurt her
Toto... Why are your eyes glowing with flames... And where did you get a bolter?
Wild theory
I feel like the little girl that bested the maze would have been the star child.
The star child (I feel) is the human portion of the warp personified and the small dog could have been the Emperor's compassion he shed, as the Emperor has been with humanity for so long this could have been given form in the warp (like everything else) as the dog, as he guided and protected humanityfor so long. Just as people keep dogs around to help, comfort and protect us.
I don't understand how the spoopiest 40K terror isn't ever talked about.
That terror, of course, is a set of dice that don't like you.
That would be too terrifying.
SPOOKY 40K, LETS GO
A lot of people have already said it better than me, so I am just sputtering whatever comes to mind, but to me, the girl that passed through the Crystal Labirynth was just a regular girl.
She was very lucky, she was likely brave, imaginative and smart, but she was just a child.
But Children seem to have certain special traits in many stories (and I think in folklore too?), they have their specific purity, which would be how she could stave off the corrupting nature of Chaos, she was just too pure.
Another thing is the nature of the Labirynth itself, it is said to have an infinite amount of possible paths, but only one correct one.
A Child at the beggining of their life conceptually has an infinite amount of ways in which they may develop.
An adult who has a goal, has lived a life already has only one path that they follow.
The adult may only follow the path they have already been set into, which always ends up not being the correct one to get through the Crystal Labirynth, while a Child has an infinite amount of paths to choose from, which includes the correct path through the Labirynth.
Dunno if it made sense, but just smth that flashed through my brain.
It was definetly Sly Marbo who beat the maze of Tzeentch.
Nah, Sly would literally beat it, not solving riddles
I wonder if the little girl was actually the Changeling. It would be pretty on par of him to essentially troll Tzeentch by taking the most innocent and defenseless form he could: A little girl and her puppy. And then using that form, beat Tzeentch's maze. If it was the Changeling I bet he didn't even go into the library. He'd just beat all the challenges and then leave while laughing.
This actually would make a lot of sense. The changeling would be able to fool the guardian, and he'd definitely know the answer to the riddles. I love the idea that he did all of that just to screw with tzeentch and didn't actually care about getting in the library. Theres nobody in the library to mess with so why would he waste his time there?
My hypothesis: the Black Reef is the final refuge for the last intact C'tan, it having fled when the Necrons shattered and enslaved the other C'tan, and/or the last Old One. The reptilian guardians fearing the return of the Necrons.
Man, these dark mystery videos are becoming some of my favorite content on RUclips. Thank you, Wes.
Hi Wes, love when you do the creepy aspects of W40K! Because for me it really does highlight how incredibly dark and grim that W40K Universe actually is beyond Total War. As well, it really opens up the idea that the Universe is just hostile to begin with and even if Total War was to finish some how...there are all these dark things lurking in the dark, Warp, and of course the Deep Warp.
I suddenly got a sudden sense of nostalgia listening to you on this video, then it hit me. Between the supernatural subject matter and your speech cadence, it has a very similar feeling to the Lost Tapes Mockumentary series from Animal Planet
Chaos marines and normal space marines looking at those monsters: looks like meat is back on the menu boys
That reminds me of a game where some guys are lost in a darl forest full of cultists and monsters...I love the idea of a game where the players are monsters and have to hide from a single Space Marine hunting monsters
I freaking love the creepy stories of the 40K universe. I’m a relatively new fan and I’m inhaling EVERY piece of lore I can find.
21:29 No idea if its Canon or not but I read somewhere that there was a small cabal of Slann like beings that tries to help the 40k world. Would love to more from wes or the community since I love everything related to the lizardmen!
I just really like the idea of in the crystal labyrinth of constantly changing possibilities and chance one little girl just got lucky and made it all the way through
Ah yes! Bless the God Emperor! Wess uploaded a spooky Warhammer 40k mystery video! I love them.
Oh, I LOVE these, the weirder, the better! Can't wait till more! 🥰
I hope the Tau discover some ancient power in the black reef they alone wield to make themselves into a substantial force to be reckoned with in the story
One day Wes.... you will cover the Angel Redemptor story... where a chapter of Space Marines is hiding and protecting.... arguably... a piece of the Emperor.
I am absolutely loving these Horror Stories Wes.
This is going to make me go down a deep rabbit-hole haha.
Fantastic video as always my dude!
It would be cool if the Dark Pattern and the Crypto's are somehow linked. It could be part of that unseen evil that the Crypto's are so scared of. Personally I don't know much about the lore, and I love your lore video's I'm mostly a fantasy guy, but hearing about the Sci-Fi from you brings me over to this side a bit, and it's fun!
It's ALWAYS the perfect opportunity to talk about unsolved mysteries from the 40k universe....there's so many!
You know, stuff like the steel confessors, I'm totally fine treating it like it's 100% real, and everyone rolls with it so we can get more official stuff about them 😆 As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't feel the same just doesn't like fun or doesn't want what's best for the franchise haha
I've always leaned toward the thought that the little girl was Malice, the unseen Chaos god and her dog represented the pure aspect of terror itself. It would make sense too how the God and aspect of anarchy was able to make it through a labyrinth of near infinite possibilities. When confronted by the guardian, even a daemon of Tzneetch grew fearful of the lost chaos God of Terror.
Im more of a D&D guy, but LOVE this content so much!!! the lore of the grim dark future is so fascinating❤
The cryptos and steel confessors were the most interesting imo. But the cryptos one is def the best. Very spooky indeed
man, I think 40k should focus one of its edition into one of those space mysteries where we get to see each faction digging into it.
hey Wes here´s a fun idea what could happen if the Imperium actually went "fuck tradition, lets roll new shit" how fucked would the none human entities be and how far could the Imperium go?
If it summons a demon then fucked everyone up but in all honesty? That be one of the scairest things possible as if they go full steam ahead just randomly i feel like even the dark eldar would have the rugged pulled under from them
Honestly, I first believed that the little girl that conquered Tzeench's maze was the Emperor or at least one of his shards and the little dog was Leman Russ that was lost into the Warp so the Shard of the Emperor disguised itself and the Wolf Ling so they could sneak through the Labyrinth.
But while I still believe the small dog could be Leman it could be that the little girl is what remain of the Primarch's mother, who was said to be the most powerful Eternal after the Emperor himself.
Maybe in her own way she has been looking after her sons in whatever way she could after the filth of the Wordbearers killed her.
It could be nice if she was the one who taugh Corvus to turn into a scary raven demon.
I love how all of these videos open with " I don't know if you know this but spooky month is only x months away"
I seem to recall a throwaway reference in one of the Black Library Necron novels where a cryptek makes reference to a ridiculous OTT superweapon that fires planets across the galaxy several times faster than light, or something like that. My theory is that that weapon is what's in the Black Reef. It was left there at the end of the War in Heaven, and all the gravitational shenanigans are connected to fluctuations in its 60 million year old power core. As for the lizards, they were one of the Old Ones' last creations and have been following the order "Do not let the T-800 lookalikes into the quarantine zone and take back this ridiculous OP weapon under any circumstances."
I’ve been binging your content back to back since I’ve started the Horus Heresy and now I’m itching to play the Tabletop
What if the dark pattern were the homeworlds of ancient xenos species and empires destroyed by the Necrons under the orders of the C'tan. To feed off the souls of the inhabitants, sort of like an all you can eat buffet. Then gathered together into the dark pattern as a sort of grisly trophy/projection of power of the C'tan.
The dark pattern is indeed an icon of doom and herald of terror. The reason it is unknowable to any denizen of the 40k Universe is that the doom it spells is of no possible meaning for them.
When observed from just the right position in space... Latin letters can be made out... Spelling the most horrifying curse known to man:
Written by Matt Ward.
Nooo not Matt Ward!!
😨😭
@@Ponkan45 I forgot about this one. And ended up giving myself a chuckle :D
I cant wait for spooky season WesHammer content. I live for this stuff. If I was rich, Id pay you to make it full time.
I love the idea of the Big E being like “im bored imma go piss off Tzeentch real quick by solving his stupid riddle maze but as a little girl and a puppy” 😂😂
I'm convinced that the planets of the Dark Pattern and the Hadex Anomaly are connected, but I think the Pattern will do more than just trigger an expansion of the Anomaly. I think the Dark Pattern created and controls the Hadex Anomaly.
Let's consider what we know about the Hadex Anomaly. We don't know how it was created, but we know the leading theories that it was created by a blasphemous cosmic alignment, or by blood rites performed on a planet that there are no records of. Who's to say it wasn't an alignment of the planets that make up the Dark Pattern that created the Anomaly? We also know the Anomaly periodically expands and contracts. We also know the Hadex Anomaly wanders around Jericho's Reach. This has led to the theory that the Hadex Anomaly itself might be a sentient Warp-entity. Instead, I believe the Anomaly's expansions, contractions, and movements are not the result of any sentient force, but instead are the result of the planets that make up the Dark Pattern moving into different alignments.
Of course, I realize there are some problems with my theory, but I think it's a pretty good one. We know the Dark Pattern was already there when Mankind first reached the Jericho Sector. The Hadex Anomaly wasn't.
My theories on the girl and black dog:
-the authors will never tell us because that would decrease fan involvement.
-the girl is Erda Mother of the Primarchs working outside the light to save humanity.
-the little girl is Tzeentch's library become a self aware being that could navigated the maze itself because it had so much knowledge. It took the form of Dorothy because "The Wizard of Oz" is a book in the library, and she is a classic literary protagonists that the library resonated with.
Do you wanna know what happens when a biomancer indulges in psychic cannibalism?
Well, the souls merge, but the consumed soul learns regeneration as well.
And that is where the fun beginns.
What's at the center of the Black Reef? Trazyn's summer home.
The little girl was Jurgen.
The puppy was Ciaphas Cain.
Dang it, Wes! You had me thinking the Grim Dark finally solved the creepy mystery of Crypto Currency!!!!!
The Jericho reach is the pattern of necoho, but no one believes that. Which is just the way he likes it.....(vaguelore for the win)
As someone who loves admec and iron hands and think their dislike of eachother is boring i confess i shoulve always trusted the strength and certainty of steel over iron
The Mechanicus having their own space marine chapter sounds awesome.
I want more Ghoul Stars stories!! Give me more Lovecraftian horror. Ayo, theories commenters: what actually *WAS* the Caccodominus?
YOOOOOOO ANOTHER MYSTERIES VID LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!!
I think the little girl was just a normal human and all the riddles/questions are actually just incredibly simple. Tzeentch just hypes them up so everyone things they are super complex.
Whole Necromunda Delaque lore is one creepy mystery.
Wes is the only reason I like spooky season. I use to be a ride or die Christmas lover, but Christmas doesn't give me grim, or for that matter dark. Spooky season, however, brings this glorious bandana clad man and his stories of horrible terror
Always a good day when you drop a spooky vid my man!
i like to think that tzeench and his guardian just back and forth for a minute of how a lil girl answer tham correctly and just started accused you cheated
i don't know but that lil girl is gratitude thjat tzeench accused her cheating
tzeench :you cheated
lil girl :why thank you
I like how it goes from "The Cryptos HATE humans" to "The Cryptos have no emotion except fear." Those are kind of fundamentally opposed statements.
How much you wanna bet that the "Dark Pattern" in the Jericho Reach is just some chaos gods nephew collecting his cool rocks from all over the universe?
The little girl who bested tzeentch probably was just a little girl. That said, during one of the last Horus Heresy books I think it's Malcador narrating about the Emperor and the many different disguises he's taken on over the centuries, one of which was a little girl. Food for thought.
Majorkill has ruined my pronounciation of Tzeentch
Nice stuff man, cool video!
The Little Girl; Erdas wandering soul in the warp. The dog, the Big E's compassion he removed from himself.
Could be🤔
I agree! Idk about the compassion though. That could have gone into Vulcan; he is a perpetual
Pretty sure that Erda and all the perpetual stuff didn't exist in lore at the time the story of the little girl and the dog was written. It's a possibility, sure, but it's almost certainly not what the original writer was thinking of.
I feel like wes should be a a full time murder documentary narrator.
Random human: Hey, where did my groceries list go? Tzeentch: Into the library you go!
The reason for the encounter in the dark pattern closes out the theory that it is there due to the old once, either some of them are there, or eldars that still worship them
Love all od your vids, but the horror stories are by far my favorites!!!
I could read a whole book about the girl who solved Tzeench's labyrinth, that would be such a trip.
Omg what is that arm at @3:36 😂
What if the little girl was Tzeentch himself testing his guardians and the labyrinth itself.
If halloween was once a thousand years.
Wes: I don't know if you realise that spooky season is xxx years away.
Or his labyrinth is a testing ground, and it was just a little girl who got through.
He gets mad because that means a type of soul that isn't supposed to exist, does, or worse.
It means he was wrong about the outcome of something. What he'd hste more than anything.
The one to pull one over on tzeentch without knowing it or intending too.
Love your videos keep up the great work
SPOOKY SEASON COMETH!!!!
Every season should be spooky season.
There is always two correct answers to any question or riddle. “ I don’t know.” is also correct. The little girl might’ve just went “ I don’t know” all guardians
I love these videos, thanks Wes.
Damn, I love these. Keep up the great work!
WHOOOOOOOOWW WARHAMMER HORROR MYSTERIES LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
1: They flee from a part-Chaos entity, that tracks them in real space.
2: The Girl was Tzeentch, messing with his Guardian.
3: The Dark Pattern is a part of a lost civilization, not yet revealed.
4: Intriguing.
5: Another lost, ancient, civilisation, fleeing the Enslavers.
Wouldn't even Tzneetch not know the true path out of his own labyrinth? All daemons are an extension of their respective God. Even if Tzeentch went through mind twisting lengths to prevent his own from knowing the true path through, a greater daemon of Tzneetch through potentially equal mind game fuckery could become aware of the knowledge by ways of accessing the knowledge unknowingly through Tzneetch and their connection.
Or the way out could just be a trap door and this entire thought process played entirely into Tzeentch's plan
It says, in "the guise of a little girl"...so, it was most likely not truly one. The question would be: who craves Tzeentch's knowledge the most? Cegorach (or an agent of his) would be likely candidates to me. An aspect of the Emperor could be another...
Wake up baby new WesHammer video dropped
We all know the Black Reef is the C'Tan that escaped (I believe it's the Outsider) being crazy. He didn't have his snickers and is being an Intergalactic Diva. Someone get that thing something to eat or a Snickers STAT!🤣 Also, great video Wes!
so many good stories that can be made in to a movie.